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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuMark on October 18, 2018, 01:44:21 PM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5QEUfCOfluw
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Don't just assume the new guys are going to come in and instantly play at a high level. Morrow, Chartouny are learning how to play MU's way and there will be a learning curve.
-Playing 10 is doable is all 10 contribute.
-Remember Joey hasn't played since his junior year of high school
-Brendan has gotten up to speed quickly
-Jamal and Theo need to become consistent.
No real shocks.
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The Matt comments at the end were pretty cool. You can tell how much Wojo loves the kind of attitude he has......all about the team.
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The Matt comments at the end were pretty cool. You can tell how much Wojo loves the kind of attitude he has......all about the team.
Kind of like Buzz when he said he just wanted to be remembered as Chris Otule's coach.
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He is so much more comfortable doing this stuff now. Very evident.
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-Remember Joey hasn't played since his junior year of high school
Technically, Joey played one game senior year and scored 39 points.
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The Matt comments at the end were pretty cool. You can tell how much Wojo loves the kind of attitude he has......all about the team.
"Matt may start for us. Matt may be a guy who plays 8 minutes for us. I don't know. That will all be determined based on practice and what group out there gives us the best chance to win. But what I do know is that whatever role Matt has, he is all in it -- 100% -- for Marquette basketball. As a coach, you can't help but just love and root for a guy like that."
I like how Wojo emphasizes how every player has a role to play. Not just the leading scorer. Not just the starters. Not even just the main rotation players (earlier he addressed the importance of depth in running a good practice.) Team-building definitely seems to be one of Wojo's strengths as a coach.
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Matty rocks. He may start AND play 8 minutes a game. But as Wojo said, we play at our best when Matt is doing his job. Between him, Sammy, and M2N, we've got plenty of leadership for the new guys to emulate.
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He is so much more comfortable doing this stuff now. Very evident.
I think it's easier when the fanbase is drunk on preseason hope brought on by votes from AP writers and talking heads projecting Marquette near the top of the conference. Hopefully us fans can stay drunk for a good and long time.
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I think it's easier when the fanbase is drunk on preseason hope brought on by votes from AP writers and talking heads projecting Marquette near the top of the conference. Hopefully us fans can stay drunk for a good and long time.
Don't forget that we post drunk too.
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New signature.
At least until the first defeat!*
(https://assets-auto.rbl.ms/2798d24eb36ccd85b6614d32be11bfa53eee1487ef66647bd0ee0d9f13cada62)
* or also any aspect of any victory not up to Scoop standards
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Don't forget that we post drunk too.
Whaaat?? Noooo waaay?
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I think it's easier when the fanbase is drunk on preseason hope brought on by votes from AP writers and talking heads projecting Marquette near the top of the conference. Hopefully us fans can stay drunk for a good and long time.
Nah, he has been here for a while and is just comfy with what he has done. That’s all.
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-Remember Joey hasn't played since his junior year of high school
...but he did play travel ball tgecsummer after junior year and was exceptional. Very important. Only thing that could hold him back is injury.
#MU2NBA
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...but he did play travel ball tgecsummer after junior year and was exceptional. Very important. Only thing that could hold him back is injury.
#MU2NBA
#MU2NBA!?!?
The whole damn team!? I love it.
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"Sam is a Warrior"
Why can't they all be?
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I loved the smirk when he mentioned the team's youth last season.
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Don't forget that we post drunk too.
AND WE ALWAYS WIN THE POSTGAME!
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#MU2NBA!?!?
The whole damn team!? I love it.
I'm assuming they'll all make it to at least one Bucks game this season.
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"Sam is a Warrior"
Why can't they all be?
I love Wojo, hope he stays a long time.
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Finally watched this. Wojo still has the personality of a paper shopping bag.
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Finally watched this. Wojo still has the personality of a paper shopping bag.
Oh come on. He was fine.
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Oh come on. He was fine.
Agreed. I thought he was great. He joked he smiled. It was good.
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I love Wojo, hope he stays a long time.
Enjoy it while it lasts. If MU performs up to expectations this year , Wojo will move to the top of the list of candidates when the annual Coaching Carousel comes around. Will be just a matter of time before a Power 5 football school with deep pockets offers him 5 million a year like Chris Holtman got from OSU.
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Enjoy it while it lasts. If MU performs up to expectations this year , Wojo will move to the top of the list of candidates when the annual Coaching Carousel comes around. Will be just a matter of time before a Power 5 football school with deep pockets offers him 5 million a year like Chris Holtman got from OSU.
Calm yourself dude.
Some people live to be miserable......haven't even played a game yet and the sky is falling no matter what happens. If we lose too many games.......coach sucks....Fire hiim! ....if we have a great year ....we won't be able to afford to keep him.
Good grief
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Calm yourself dude.
Some people live to be miserable......haven't even played a game yet and the sky is falling no matter what happens. If we lose too many games.......coach sucks....Fire hiim! ....if we have a great year ....we won't be able to afford to keep him.
Good grief
No one said the sky is falling. Just laying out one possible scenario . Reality is if we have a good year, the coach now has enough track record and a clean record upon which a big dollar offer could materialize. MU has the resources to match if they want.
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Enjoy it while it lasts. If MU performs up to expectations this year , Wojo will move to the top of the list of candidates when the annual Coaching Carousel comes around. Will be just a matter of time before a Power 5 football school with deep pockets offers him 5 million a year like Chris Holtman got from OSU.
Marquette>Butler.
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I really like WOJO. The man has heart and competitive drive. His personality is one that exudes sincerity first and if I were a player that would matter a great. I though he really shined in this press conference. Feeling good about this team, this coach and this season!
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No one said the sky is falling. Just laying out one possible scenario . Reality is if we have a good year, the coach now has enough track record and a clean record upon which a big dollar offer could materialize. MU has the resources to match if they want.
Wojo, who is on the hot seat according to many, could be in line for a $5MM pay day? Come on. Mack who has 10x the track record only got $4MM from a desperate Louisville. If MU does not make the Tourney, Wojo most likely will be fired. Any talk of him getting $5MM a year is WAY to premature. I like Wojo and hope for the best for him but MU does not have to worry about him getting a "better job".
FYI on Ohio State's head coach - "his annual salary is closer to $2.7 million according to the Columbus Dispatch."
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Wojo, who is on the hot seat according to many, could be in line for a $5MM pay day? Come on. Mack who has 10x the track record only got $4MM from a desperate Louisville. If MU does not make the Tourney, Wojo most likely will be fired. Any talk of him getting $5MM a year is WAY to premature. I like Wojo and hope for the best for him but MU does not have to worry about him getting a "better job".
FYI on Ohio State's head coach - "his annual salary is closer to $2.7 million according to the Columbus Dispatch."
According to SI Holtman $7.15 million. I was conservatively estimating $5 million.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/01/highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches-salaries-mike-krzyewski-john-calipari
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Enjoy it while it lasts. If MU performs up to expectations this year , Wojo will move to the top of the list of candidates when the annual Coaching Carousel comes around. Will be just a matter of time before a Power 5 football school with deep pockets offers him 5 million a year like Chris Holtman got from OSU.
So why have they not gone after Jay Wright, a much hotter commodity?
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I thought Wojo was just fine.
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So why have they not gone after Jay Wright, a much hotter commodity?
I think he has turned down NBA several times.
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Marquette can match probably any offer besides maybe Duke and Kentucky if it comes to that.
I'm really not worried about MU's pocket book.
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According to SI Holtman $7.15 million. I was conservatively estimating $5 million.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/01/highest-paid-college-basketball-coaches-salaries-mike-krzyewski-john-calipari
That includes the Butler contract buy-out. OSU deal is 8 years $26MM. $3.25MM average.
My point still stands, Wojo is not close to getting a $5MM deal. Holtman has a far better resume and is not close to $5MM. People outside the MU community think Wojo is closer to getting fired than getting a huge contract from another school. I'd love to have Wojo in a position to get a massive contract and have other programs after him, but that is not the reality of the situation. If he gets us to a Final Four, maybe, but how did that work out for Moser at Loyola?
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That includes the Butler contract buy-out. OSU deal is 8 years $26MM. $3.25MM average.
My point still stands, Wojo is not close to getting a $5MM deal. Holtman has a far better resume and is not close to $5MM. People outside the MU community think Wojo is closer to getting fired than getting a huge contract from another school. I'd love to have Wojo in a position to get a massive contract and have other programs after him, but that is not the reality of the situation. If he gets us to a Final Four, maybe, but how did that work out for Moser at Loyola?
Wojo is on just about every list that gets put out there regarding who will follow Coach K at Duke. That’s a pretty big gig. I don’t think I’ve seen a single list saying Wojo is on the hot seat/verge of being fired from MU.
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If he gets us to a Final Four, maybe, but how did that work out for Moser at Loyola?
That's a poor analogy because coaches rarely leave after a Final Four season because by the time they're done coaching, the big vacancies are usually filled.
Jim Larranaga saw his stock drop after the 2006 George Mason F4 because they went 18-15 the next year. It took 5 more seasons to get to Miami. John Brady took LSU to the Final Four that same year, but went 30-33 the next two years, was fired, and has been stuck at Arkansas State since.
In 2010 & 11, Brad Stevens took Butler to Final Fours, but didn't leave for 2 more years when the Celtics came calling. Shaka Smart also got there in 2011, but spent 4 more years at VCU before heading for Texas.
Gregg Marshall had his breakthrough in 2013 and is still at Wichita State 4 years later. Frank Martin had his shock F4 with South Carolina in 2017 and is still there. Even Kevin Ollie survived 4 more years after his NC before two losing seasons sealed his fate.
If Wojo makes a Final Four, the combination of timing of the last weekend and volatility of future results means he'd probably be here at least 2-3 more years.
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That's a poor analogy because coaches rarely leave after a Final Four season because by the time they're done coaching, the big vacancies are usually filled.
Jim Larranaga saw his stock drop after the 2006 George Mason F4 because they went 18-15 the next year. It took 5 more seasons to get to Miami. John Brady took LSU to the Final Four that same year, but went 30-33 the next two years, was fired, and has been stuck at Arkansas State since.
In 2010 & 11, Brad Stevens took Butler to Final Fours, but didn't leave for 2 more years when the Celtics came calling. Shaka Smart also got there in 2011, but spent 4 more years at VCU before heading for Texas.
Gregg Marshall had his breakthrough in 2013 and is still at Wichita State 4 years later. Frank Martin had his shock F4 with South Carolina in 2017 and is still there. Even Kevin Ollie survived 4 more years after his NC before two losing seasons sealed his fate.
If Wojo makes a Final Four, the combination of timing of the last weekend and volatility of future results means he'd probably be here at least 2-3 more years.
Tom Crean is another example
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Wojo is on just about every list that gets put out there regarding who will follow Coach K at Duke. That’s a pretty big gig. I don’t think I’ve seen a single list saying Wojo is on the hot seat/verge of being fired from MU.
ATHLON: "After reaching the NIT quarterfinals, the Golden Eagles are poised to take the next step. How do they get there? It starts with improving on the defensive end. If they don’t, Wojciechowski could find himself on the hot seat. "
SportBlog.com "Unless Steve Wojciechowski comes close to winning the Big East, reaching the Sweet Sixteen and boasting an NBA All-Star on his roster, Marquette University is admitting they are no longer the highly-esteemed program they have been for decades if Wojo returns for a fifth season."
Bustingbrackets.com "With what will be the most talented roster since he arrived at Marquette, a trip to the Big Dance is an absolute must." (Listed as about to be on the 'hot seat')
Thremanweave.com "Wojo may be on the hot seat entering this year"
FWIW, I've heard and others have posted similar information that the school and major boosters like alot about Wojo but the results have not been what they hoped for. There is a reason that he has players on the roster that will be at MU beyond the end of his contract.
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So, Wojo is not currently on the hot seat, but a underachieving season could put him there. Profound.
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ATHLON: "After reaching the NIT quarterfinals, the Golden Eagles are poised to take the next step. How do they get there? It starts with improving on the defensive end. If they don’t, Wojciechowski could find himself on the hot seat. "
SportBlog.com "Unless Steve Wojciechowski comes close to winning the Big East, reaching the Sweet Sixteen and boasting an NBA All-Star on his roster, Marquette University is admitting they are no longer the highly-esteemed program they have been for decades if Wojo returns for a fifth season."
Bustingbrackets.com "With what will be the most talented roster since he arrived at Marquette, a trip to the Big Dance is an absolute must." (Listed as about to be on the 'hot seat')
Thremanweave.com "Wojo may be on the hot seat entering this year"
FWIW, I've heard and others have posted similar information that the school and major boosters like alot about Wojo but the results have not been what they hoped for. There is a reason that he has players on the roster that will be at MU beyond the end of his contract.
So you found one article that says he “may be” entering the season on the hot seat. Otherwise some that he could be on the hot seat in the future. Which of course he could.
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That's a poor analogy because coaches rarely leave after a Final Four season because by the time they're done coaching, the big vacancies are usually filled.
Jim Larranaga saw his stock drop after the 2006 George Mason F4 because they went 18-15 the next year. It took 5 more seasons to get to Miami. John Brady took LSU to the Final Four that same year, but went 30-33 the next two years, was fired, and has been stuck at Arkansas State since.
In 2010 & 11, Brad Stevens took Butler to Final Fours, but didn't leave for 2 more years when the Celtics came calling. Shaka Smart also got there in 2011, but spent 4 more years at VCU before heading for Texas.
Gregg Marshall had his breakthrough in 2013 and is still at Wichita State 4 years later. Frank Martin had his shock F4 with South Carolina in 2017 and is still there. Even Kevin Ollie survived 4 more years after his NC before two losing seasons sealed his fate.
If Wojo makes a Final Four, the combination of timing of the last weekend and volatility of future results means he'd probably be here at least 2-3 more years.
I agree and your post supports my position. No one is going to hire-a-way Wojo to a $5MM contract anytime soon. The reality is Wojo is trying to convince (via wins) MU to give him an extension. He's getting close to the end of his current deal and there doesn't seem to be an extension on the table. MU has Wojo in a tough spot to recruit guys when they don't know if he'll be the coach. I don't blame MU because it reflects his attractiveness is the coaching market.
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I agree and your post supports my position. No one is going to hire-a-way Wojo to a $5MM contract anytime soon. The reality is Wojo is trying to convince (via wins) MU to give him an extension. He's getting close to the end of his current deal and there doesn't seem to be an extension on the table. MU has Wojo in a tough spot to recruit guys when they don't know if he'll be the coach. I don't blame MU because it reflects his attractiveness is the coaching market.
His current deal runs through 2021-22. That's four more seasons. My guess is that if he performs as people expect, he'd likely get an extension after this year.
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So you found one article that says he “may be” entering the season on the hot seat. Otherwise some that he could be on the hot seat in the future. Which of course he could.
Fair enough but the point is Wojo is closer to being let go at MU than he is to getting the Duke job. Do you think there is a reason why MU won't sign him to an extension?
I am not trying to be a 'Debbie Downer' on Wojo, I most definitely want him to be the hottest coach in college basketball. I'd love to be talking about why MU is a better job than <insert the best opening>. The reality is he has been underwhelming and not going to be a top five paid coach any time soon.
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His current deal runs through 2021-22. That's four more seasons. My guess is that if he performs as people expect, he'd likely get an extension after this year.
Agreed. I hope he does get the extension. Many of us MU fans like him and the direction things are going. My posts were only to point out the Wojo is not a hot commodity in the college basketball world.
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You'll never enjoy college sports if all you do is worry about your coach leaving. They all leave. Ultimately, they're hired mercenaries. Chris Mack left his alma mater, where he led them to the No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament, for a scandal-ridden Louisville.
This just in: Whether it's through success, through scandal, or through failure, Wojo is gonna leave MU. Maybe next year, maybe 3 years from now, maybe 10.
If it is soon, there's a tailor-made replacement out there, however: Nate Oats. MU fans will get to check him out in person when Buffalo comes to town.
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You'll never enjoy college sports if all you do is worry about your coach leaving. They all leave. Ultimately, they're hired mercenaries. Chris Mack left his alma mater, where he led them to the No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament, for a scandal-ridden Louisville.
This just in: Whether it's through success, through scandal, or through failure, Wojo is gonna leave MU. Maybe next year, maybe 3 years from now, maybe 10.
If it is soon, there's a tailor-made replacement out there, however: Nate Oats. MU fans will get to check him out in person when Buffalo comes to town.
Brian Wardle is the tailor-made replacement.
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Brian Wardle is the tailor-made replacement.
Yup. Proven Midwest recruiter, two relatively successful rebuilds, and school ties. If Wojo leaves in the next 5 years, I'd back Wardle.
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Yup. Proven Midwest recruiter, two relatively successful rebuilds, and school ties. If Wojo leaves in the next 5 years, I'd back Wardle.
Relatively successful is who we would target? Dare to to dream big. :)
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He called Sam a Warrior. Will he be censured. All in all a great measured press conference.
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Brian Wardle is the tailor-made replacement.
I hope not for two reasons. Wojo at MU for a long time is priority one. Why is Duke not going to attract a proven winner? Kentucky went after Cal because he had won it all. Louisville after Pitino, same reason. Ohio State for Urban Meyer, same reason. North Carolina to Roy Williams. Programs that big, need to score big hires.
Secondly, Brian Wardle? Only if we struck out at least 5 other times with someone. This is the Big East, not the Mid Continent. He has done a good job rebuilding, but that is a different job scope entirely. Never been to the NCAA tournament.
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I hope not for two reasons. Wojo at MU for a long time is priority one. Why is Duke not going to attract a proven winner? Kentucky went after Cal because he had won it all. Louisville after Pitino, same reason. Ohio State for Urban Meyer, same reason. North Carolina to Roy Williams. Programs that big, need to score big hires.
Secondly, Brian Wardle? Only if we struck out at least 5 other times with someone. This is the Big East, not the Mid Continent. He has done a good job rebuilding, but that is a different job scope entirely. Never been to the NCAA tournament.
How many head coaches has MU hired that had previous NCAA Tournament appearances?
In my lifetime the answer is 0 I believe.
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How many head coaches has MU hired that had previous NCAA Tournament appearances?
In my lifetime the answer is 0 I believe.
It isn't a prerequisite for me, only pointing out that fact. Eddie Hickey was the only one Mu ever hired that had gone to the tournament. It was harder to make the NCAA tournament back then with only 16, then 24 teams. Eventually 32. There are more teams now then back in those days, but at least 100 of them have no conceivable shot of making the tournament unless they win their conference tournament.
If we continue on the path of assistants from major programs (Michigan State, Arizona, Duke) that has worked out. The last two hires of head coaches from mid size programs, didn't work out. Bob Dukiet and Mike Deane. Though a guy named Al McGuire did, along with his NBA bonafides.
EDIT: Mike Deane went to the tournament at Siena one time, too.
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Relatively successful is who we would target? Dare to to dream big. :)
He took Green Bay from a middling Horizon team to the top of the league. His first Bradley team was sub-300, three years later they are projected just outside the top-100 and top-4 in the league. He hasn't finished the Bradley rebuild, but they could contend for the MVC as soon as this year and definitely by next year.
Relatively successful only because he's only through year 3 in the second rebuild. I'd take Wardle without question. He's a good coach and would also likely view MU as a destination job.
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TJ Otzelberger would be worth a look.
I'm not sold on Wardle......yet.
If Wojo left I'd rather have Stan promoted.
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I am assuming that Wardle continues to grow as a coach, and that Wojo wouldn't leave MU for a number of years.
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I hope not for two reasons. Wojo at MU for a long time is priority one. Why is Duke not going to attract a proven winner? Kentucky went after Cal because he had won it all. Louisville after Pitino, same reason. Ohio State for Urban Meyer, same reason. North Carolina to Roy Williams. Programs that big, need to score big hires.
Secondly, Brian Wardle? Only if we struck out at least 5 other times with someone. This is the Big East, not the Mid Continent. He has done a good job rebuilding, but that is a different job scope entirely. Never been to the NCAA tournament.
Just for a moment lets say my scenario plays out. Wojo has a good year this year (s16), goes to the top of the coaching carousel and follows it up with another similar year and then Coach Izzo retires and Wojo gets that job. Now , whoever steps into MU at that point is inheriting something relatively strong. When Buzz vacated we had a lot of top flight coaches interested and I would expect the same thing to happen this time around. Although my preference would be for Stan to hang in with MU long enough to get the job when the time came. Unfortunately I think Stan will get picked up by someone next spring.
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Brian Wardle is the tailor-made replacement.
Pass.
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Tom Crean is another example
O yeah, he sure as chit is an example all write. An example of watt a playa, like #3, kan due four a bozo idiot, aina?
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O yeah, he sure as chit is an example all write. An example of watt a playa, like #3, kan due four a bozo idiot, aina?
I started laughing my ass off once I saw your name pop up and the post you were responding to. Knew it would be good. Did not disappoint.
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I started laughing my ass off once I saw your name pop up and the post you were responding to. Knew it would be good. Did not disappoint.
If by “good” you mean “tired and predictable,” then yes.
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Pontiff, ur just pissed ya threw up a 60 mph, non-breakin' fastball, aina?
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Pontiff, ur just pissed ya threw up a 60 mph, non-breakin' fastball, aina?
Nah. I knew you were going to say something and I knew it wouldn’t be funny.
I just don’t care.
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How many head coaches has MU hired that had previous NCAA Tournament appearances?
In my lifetime the answer is 0 I believe.
Think Mike Deane had a couple at Sienna.
Ben Howland could have been hired. Incidentally he has Mississippi State at 23 in pre-season Pomeroy and he started on the job one year later than Wojo at MU.
In other related news:
Shaka at Texas 15 (also started one-year after Wojo began at MU.)
Hard to believe Gard and Madison projected at 20 this upcoming year by Pomeroy.
Will be interesting to see how things play out this season. For the first time in 5 years, there is consensus among the fanbase as to what the team should achieve. Every poster projecting NCAA tournament, and not sure I've seen one projection that we LOSE our first round game of NCAA.
Top 32 or bust this season, so it seems.
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Think Mike Deane had a couple at Sienna.
Ben Howland could have been hired. Incidentally he has Mississippi State at 23 in pre-season Pomeroy and he started on the job one year later than Wojo at MU.
In other related news:
Shaka at Texas 15 (also started one-year after Wojo began at MU.)
Hard to believe Gard and Madison projected at 20 this upcoming year by Pomeroy.
Will be interesting to see how things play out this season. For the first time in 5 years, there is consensus among the fanbase as to what the team should achieve. Every poster projecting NCAA tournament, and not sure I've seen one projection that we LOSE our first round game of NCAA.
Top 32 or bust this season, so it seems.
Preseason rankings are very important.
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Think Mike Deane had a couple at Sienna.
Ben Howland could have been hired. Incidentally he has Mississippi State at 23 in pre-season Pomeroy and he started on the job one year later than Wojo at MU.
In other related news:
Shaka at Texas 15 (also started one-year after Wojo began at MU.)
Hard to believe Gard and Madison projected at 20 this upcoming year by Pomeroy.
Will be interesting to see how things play out this season. For the first time in 5 years, there is consensus among the fanbase as to what the team should achieve. Every poster projecting NCAA tournament, and not sure I've seen one projection that we LOSE our first round game of NCAA.
Top 32 or bust this season, so it seems.
Mike Deane had one at Siena, I will edit my earlier response.
Doesn't it depend who we play in that first round game, where it is, what the seeds are?
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Preseason rankings are very important.
Like tators on a bull
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I hope not for two reasons. Wojo at MU for a long time is priority one. Why is Duke not going to attract a proven winner? Kentucky went after Cal because he had won it all. Louisville after Pitino, same reason. Ohio State for Urban Meyer, same reason. North Carolina to Roy Williams. Programs that big, need to score big hires.
Secondly, Brian Wardle? Only if we struck out at least 5 other times with someone. This is the Big East, not the Mid Continent. He has done a good job rebuilding, but that is a different job scope entirely. Never been to the NCAA tournament.
Cal hadn't won it all before Kentucky. He lost to Kansas with Rose and lost in the Final Four with Camby.
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If I'm looking at a mid major coach, I place more on consistent league success than NCAA appearances. When you're in a one bid league, a few lucky breaks can turn a marginal coach into the next big thing. How did Ohio's success propel John Groce? Did Dunk City allow Andy Enfield to lift USC above their perennial bubble team life?
I prefer a mid major coach that can build and sustain over one that can catch lightning in a bottle. If in 3-5 years Wojo leaves and Wardle has Bradley regularly in the top 3-4 of the MVC, that's the kind of coach I'd want, with or without the crapshoot of NCAA success.
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If I'm looking at a mid major coach, I place more on consistent league success than NCAA appearances. When you're in a one bid league, a few lucky breaks can turn a marginal coach into the next big thing. How did Ohio's success propel John Groce? Did Dunk City allow Andy Enfield to lift USC above their perennial bubble team life?
I prefer a mid major coach that can build and sustain over one that can catch lightning in a bottle. If in 3-5 years Wojo leaves and Wardle has Bradley regularly in the top 3-4 of the MVC, that's the kind of coach I'd want, with or without the crapshoot of NCAA success.
Agree completely. The ability to build and sustain a program is the most important thing to look for in a coach.
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Preseason rankings are very important.
No doubt. The topic is dominating Scoop at present.
P.S. - Your sarcasm was noted. But, clearly we are a starved fanbase.
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If I'm looking at a mid major coach, I place more on consistent league success than NCAA appearances. When you're in a one bid league, a few lucky breaks can turn a marginal coach into the next big thing. How did Ohio's success propel John Groce? Did Dunk City allow Andy Enfield to lift USC above their perennial bubble team life?
I prefer a mid major coach that can build and sustain over one that can catch lightning in a bottle. If in 3-5 years Wojo leaves and Wardle has Bradley regularly in the top 3-4 of the MVC, that's the kind of coach I'd want, with or without the crapshoot of NCAA success.
On the other hand, Mike Deane was a mid major coach that built and sustained at Siena.
Recruiting is 80 percent of your success in college hoops, and Marquette has been most successful when choosing a coach who had a record of recruiting success at a major conference program (i.e. O'Neill, Crean, Buzz), as opposed to hiring a guy with sustained success on a lower level (Dukiet, Deane).
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On the other hand, Mike Deane was a mid major coach that built and sustained at Siena.
Recruiting is 80 percent of your success in college hoops, and Marquette has been most successful when choosing a coach who had a record of recruiting success at a major conference program (i.e. O'Neill, Crean, Buzz), as opposed to hiring a guy with sustained success on a lower level (Dukiet, Deane).
This is what I came here to say. I want the highly regarded recruiting assistant (or associate head coach) over the mid-major builder.
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I want the guy they determine to be the best fit. Jim Larranaga did fine as a mid-major builder. Bill Self did even better after starting at Oral Roberts and Tulsa.
If Wardle keeps Bradley in the mix, and especially if he does add some postseason success, he'd be a natural fit. That said, if Wojo ends up here for 25 years, I'm fine with that too, because that only happens with sustained success.
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This is what I came here to say. I want the highly regarded recruiting assistant (or associate head coach) over the mid-major builder.
That man's name is Stan Johnson....
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That man's name is Stan Johnson....
I'd be good with that.
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I want the guy they determine to be the best fit. Jim Larranaga did fine as a mid-major builder. Bill Self did even better after starting at Oral Roberts and Tulsa.
If Wardle keeps Bradley in the mix, and especially if he does add some postseason success, he'd be a natural fit. That said, if Wojo ends up here for 25 years, I'm fine with that too, because that only happens with sustained success.
Self started as an assistant at Kansas, and then spent seven years at Okie State, where he helped recruit guys like John Starks, Byron Houston and Big Country Reeves.
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Self started as an assistant at Kansas, and then spent seven years at Okie State, where he helped recruit guys like John Starks, Byron Houston and Big Country Reeves.
10-year old PTM was a huge Big Country fan, wish I still had that jersey.
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I want the guy they determine to be the best fit. Jim Larranaga did fine as a mid-major builder. Bill Self did even better after starting at Oral Roberts and Tulsa.
If Wardle keeps Bradley in the mix, and especially if he does add some postseason success, he'd be a natural fit. That said, if Wojo ends up here for 25 years, I'm fine with that too, because that only happens with sustained success.
If whoever we hire pays as well as Bill Self and Kansas do, he will be very successful at Marquette as well.
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Nice dat wee got Wojo fookin' buried already, hey?
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Nice dat wee got Wojo fookin' buried already, hey?
MU Scoop team work in action.
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Nice dat wee got Wojo fookin' buried already, hey?
Nobody's got him buried. We're just realistic enough to recognize that he won't be here for the next 25 years.
If he has a lot of success, chances are he'll get hired away by a bigger program (perhaps his alma mater).
If he doesn't have a lot of success, chances are the MU faithful will get ever more restless and eventually he'll be ousted.
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Nobody's got him buried. We're just realistic enough to recognize that he won't be here for the next 25 years.
If he has a lot of success, chances are he'll get hired away by a bigger program (perhaps his alma mater).
If he doesn't have a lot of success, chances are the MU faithful will get ever more restless and eventually he'll be ousted.
In my head there has to be a cross point of success and time spent at a program. If you're able to achieve a final four early enough, I imagine that proves to you it can be done and you can consistently win big ala Jay Wright. Whereas if you spend your time flaming out in the Sweet 16 and occasional elite 8 you grow frustrated no matter where you are ala Chris Mack.
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Self started as an assistant at Kansas, and then spent seven years at Okie State, where he helped recruit guys like John Starks, Byron Houston and Big Country Reeves.
While Wardle worked at Marquette and Deane was an assistant at Michigan State.
Most coaches go from assistants to HM assistants to head jobs. Not sure why Wardle's route is often criticized when he took a path that is awfully similar to many head coaches.
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10-year old PTM was a huge Big Country fan, wish I still had that jersey.
I hated him. In between high school classes, I used the payphone to call the sports score hotline. Marquette had fallen to OkSt. in the NCAA tourney. Reeves 26 & 10. Would have loved to have seen him and Damon go at it...
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I hated him. In between high school classes, I used the payphone to call the sports score hotline. Marquette had fallen to OkSt. in the NCAA tourney. Reeves 26 & 10. Would have loved to have seen him and Damon go at it...
Those were the days.
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While Wardle worked at Marquette and Deane was an assistant at Michigan State.
Most coaches go from assistants to HM assistants to head jobs. Not sure why Wardle's route is often criticized when he took a path that is awfully similar to many head coaches.
I'm not sure anyone is criticizing Wardle's path. (though I would note that Wardle was a low-level assistant at MU for only two seasons).
The greater point is if I'm picking a next head coach, my preference is a guy who's proven he can recruit at a high level program.