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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: fjm on October 10, 2018, 02:56:10 PM
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This guy. What a legend. I know there are some timberwolves fans on here but wow.
Please read this twitter thread:
https://twitter.com/i/moments/1050101765478088705
Especially these tweets:
@Thehoopcentral
Jimmy Butler reportedly teamed up the 3rd stringers and beat the starters featuring KAT and Wiggins in a scrimmage at practice today, per @DarthAmin.
@thehoopcentral
During Practice, Jimmy Butler screamed at GM Scott Layden,
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"You f—king need me. You can't win without me."
(Via Woj).
Adrian Wojnarowski
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
At one point in a scrimmage, sources said, Butler turned to GM Scott Layden and screamed, "You (bleeping) need me. You can't win without me." Butler left teammates and coaches largely speechless. He dominated the gym in every way. Jimmy's back.
2:14 PM · Oct 10, 2018
#MUBB in the NBA is back baby!
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Sounds like the kind of guy I want to play next to.
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Really dont like a$$hole JFB.
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Well he wants them to trade him and showed them why.
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What a perfect mess.
As a wolves fan, I just hope they keep him at this point. This is kind of fun!
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Well he wants them to trade him and showed them why.
How does playing well in practice and berating everybody show them why they should trade him? Every time he does something like this it makes him harder to trade, IMHO, for two reasons.
1. Some teams/coaches may not want to take on a prima donna.
2. They know the Wolves have to get rid of them so they may lower their offers, making the Wolves less inclined to trade.
I suspect JFB knows what he's doing, but he's hurting his appeal to the "get off my lawn" old guys (of which I am one), which doesn't amount to a hill of beans, I would guess.
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;D
https://twitter.com/DavePasch/status/1050108437873405952
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Really dont like a$$hole JFB.
I love a$$hole JFB.
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Motivator.
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
A lot of Minnesota players left Timberwolves practice today energized by Butler's performance, mesmerized with him taking end-of-the-bench players and running the table on the regulars, sources said. At the end, he marched out like if a mic drop. Butler delivered a tour de force.
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;D
https://twitter.com/DavePasch/status/1050108437873405952
It would be awesome if Pasch did that. And the thing about Walton is that he wouldn’t miss a beat, and they’d turn it into the most entertaining back and forth since Al and Billy.
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I used to love Jimmy, but as he's improved on the court, he's become worse off the court, in my opinion. He's become too selfish and too ego-driven. He's got a great story and has really proven a lot in his career, but he's just becoming another prima donna superstar. Worse yet, he doesn't seem to be much of a clubhouse leader. I don't think he's doing himself any favors with these antics right now.
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First, if DJO is still in MN I hope he was on that Butler team. It'd be quite the hustle if they did as that's not exactly strangers.
Second, usually I'd hate antics like this but there's other reports of those MN players not wanting to put in the extra work.
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I used to love Jimmy, but as he's improved on the court, he's become worse off the court, in my opinion. He's become too selfish and too ego-driven. He's got a great story and has really proven a lot in his career, but he's just becoming another prima donna superstar. Worse yet, he doesn't seem to be much of a clubhouse leader. I don't think he's doing himself any favors with these antics right now.
Total diva, selfish, obnoxious. Oh, and the KAT incident happened.
I hope the Wolves say "play for us or sit."
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Oh, and the KAT incident happened.
Pix or it didn't.
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Schooling the starters with a bunch of bench guys is epic.
Shouting obnoxious expletives at the owner isn’t.
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I used to love Jimmy, but as he's improved on the court, he's become worse off the court, in my opinion. He's become too selfish and too ego-driven. He's got a great story and has really proven a lot in his career, but he's just becoming another prima donna superstar. Worse yet, he doesn't seem to be much of a clubhouse leader. I don't think he's doing himself any favors with these antics right now.
I have zero idea why anyone would think what he just apparently did would be viewed as selfish or being a prima donna. Or frankly why it’s even an pretty boy move. He proved his value. Showed why working hard means something. And he lead by example.
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How does playing well in practice and berating everybody show them why they should trade him? Every time he does something like this it makes him harder to trade, IMHO, for two reasons.
1. Some teams/coaches may not want to take on a prima donna.
2. They know the Wolves have to get rid of them so they may lower their offers, making the Wolves less inclined to trade.
I suspect JFB knows what he's doing, but he's hurting his appeal to the "get off my lawn" old guys (of which I am one), which doesn't amount to a hill of beans, I would guess.
Because his main reason is that the star players don't go all out. He proved his point.
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I f$#%ing love a$$hole JFB. I would run through a brick wall for that dude and anyone who's played competitive team sports who wants to win should too. This is what culture change looks like
The only downside is if he has to stay on the team for this season but that was the likely outcome anyway so there isn't downside, its win-win-win.....
Win if it forces KAT to hold himself to be accountable instead of a waste of talent
Win if KAT and Wiggins et al dont change because it proves his point
Win because the Wolves dont want him now so the asking price goes down but I guarantee players like Wade are telling Riley/spoelstra "pull the trigger this guy will work" (they didn't use to be boys but patched things up in the last few years and are tight). His value to the Wolves is down but his value to other teams doesn't change.
JFB is gonna win big out of this
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I have zero idea why anyone would think what he just apparently did would be viewed as selfish or being a prima donna. Or frankly why it’s even an pretty boy move. He proved his value. Showed why working hard means something. And he lead by example.
There's a general knee-jerk dislike for any player who demands a trade, which I can sort of understand (don't agree, but understand).
But the rest I don't get. Has Jimmy gotten cocky as his star has risen? Heck yeah. All great athletes are cocky. Some are just better at pretending they're not because it appeases the meatheads who call talk radio saying "I'd play this game for free"or "Nobody deserves (insert number here) dollars for playing a game."
But really, there's nothing about Butler that says he's a bad guy. The worst thing he's been validly accused of, apparently, is riding teammates who don't work as hard as he does (gasp!). I'm sure he could be more diplomatic, but for me at least his candor is refreshing, not a negative.
He's never been in legal trouble or had off-court issues. He's never been accused of cheating or using PEDs. He's never been accused of dogging it on the court, playing soft or not caring about winning.
All the dislike for a guy whose cardinal sin is saying he doesn't want to play with guys who don't work hard is weird.
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Schooling the starters with a bunch of bench guys is epic.
Shouting obnoxious expletives at the owner isn’t.
He yelled at the GM, who has chosen to value someone like Wiggins who has done little with his potential, over Butler who continually exceeds his.
Veterans like Teague are supporting Butler. The young stars who are reportedly coasting, are in the crosshairs.
I know a lot of people in here want their stars to be Tim Duncan or Barry Sanders, but that’s doesnt make you an pretty boy or a diva if you’re not. If you’re top 15 in the world at what you do, especially in a direct performance/merit based role, it’s not crazy to expect or demand to be treated as such.
And FWIW, I’ve still heard of 2-3 personal stories of Jimmy being friendly and engaging off the court, so it’s not like he’s completely lost who he was. He’s come a long damn way from homeless in Tomball
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I have zero idea why anyone would think what he just apparently did would be viewed as selfish or being a prima donna. Or frankly why it’s even an pretty boy move. He proved his value. Showed why working hard means something. And he lead by example.
You don't think he's being selfish or a prima donna? He's demanding a trade to a major market team. He comes across as just wanting more time in the spotlight. He's not trying to get onto a contending team, just one in a bigger city where he can rub elbows with more Wahlbergs of the world.
Has he proven his value? Sure, he's a great player, and the team wins far more with him on the floor. But I don't think he's going about any of this the right way right now. I'm all for guys trying to get paid, but there are better ways of going about it. Then again, this method gets him the attention he seems to want. Not a good look for Jimmy, in my opinion.
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There's a general knee-jerk dislike for any player who demands a trade, which I can sort of understand (don't agree, but understand).
But the rest I don't get. Has Jimmy gotten cocky as his star has risen? Heck yeah. All great athletes are cocky. Some are just better at pretending they're not because it appeases the meatheads who call talk radio saying "I'd play this game for free"or "Nobody deserves (insert number here) dollars for playing a game."
But really, there's nothing about Butler that says he's a bad guy. The worst thing he's been validly accused of, apparently, is riding teammates who don't work as hard as he does (gasp!). I'm sure he could be more diplomatic, but for me least his candor is not a negative.
He's never been in legal trouble or had off-court issues. He's never been accused of cheating or using PEDs. He's never been accused of dogging it on the court, playing soft or not caring about winning.
All the dislike for a guy whose cardinal sin is saying he doesn't want to play with guys who don't work hard is weird.
Co-sign, love watching the guy mold the world into the way he wants to see it
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Jae seems to approve.
JAE CROWDER @CJC9BOSS
AYE MAN @JimmyButler TOOK EM BACK TO THE MARQUETTE DAYS I SEE.!! 😂😂😂 @TeamCoachBuzz LOOK WHAT YOU CREATED.!!! 😈😎
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There's a general knee-jerk dislike for any player who demands a trade, which I can sort of understand (don't agree, but understand).
But the rest I don't get. Has Jimmy gotten cocky as his star has risen? Heck yeah. All great athletes are cocky. Some are just better at pretending they're not because it appeases the meatheads who call talk radio saying "I'd play this game for free"or "Nobody deserves (insert number here) dollars for playing a game."
But really, there's nothing about Butler that says he's a bad guy. The worst thing he's been validly accused of, apparently, is riding teammates who don't work as hard as he does (gasp!). I'm sure he could be more diplomatic, but for me least his candor is not a negative.
He's never been in legal trouble or had off-court issues. He's never been accused of cheating or using PEDs. He's never been accused of dogging it on the court, playing soft or not caring about winning.
All the dislike for a guy whose cardinal sin is saying he doesn't want to play with guys who don't work hard is weird.
Not all great athletes are cocky. Drew Brees and Peyton Manning are some of the best QBs of all time, and yet they manage to not be jerks to reporters or teammates. Steph Curry and Giannis are two of the biggest names in the NBA today, and you're far more likely to hear them described as humble than cocky. Jimmy has some MJ in him when it comes to having high expectations for teammates, but that's not always going to work when you're not as good as MJ.
As for his "cardinal sin," there's a big difference between being frustrated with your teammates and calling your teammates out in the national media. Pushing guys to work harder and even calling them out in practice or the locker room in front of the team is expected from leaders. Talking trash about them to ESPN is not the move of a good leader.
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You don't think he's being selfish or a prima donna? He's demanding a trade to a major market team. He comes across as just wanting more time in the spotlight. He's not trying to get onto a contending team, just one in a bigger city where he can rub elbows with more Wahlbergs of the world.
What "contenders" have space for another superstar? Warriors? Rockets? Celtics? Raptors? Nope, no, nah, no sir. Sixers maybe, but they have enough young talent. Lakers won't trade, and will wait until free agency.
So yea, he's talking big market teams. Thats also the place to recruit other stars to join you in NY, Miami, or LA. It serves both purposes. Miami makes a TON of sense. You have a great coach, a savvy head of basketball, and some young talent. Suddenly you can make a pitch.
And also, from a competition standpoint, the young stars in Minny proved his point. Nobody stepped up to him, nobody said nah man. Hell, if Wiggins or KAT took a swing at him, he would have been thrilled. Showed they gave a damn. If those guys were reaching potential and they were a threat to the top 3 in the West, he wouldn't be so annoyed with everything.
Not all great athletes are cocky. Drew Brees and Peyton Manning are some of the best QBs of all time, and yet they manage to not be jerks to reporters or teammates. Steph Curry and Giannis are two of the biggest names in the NBA today, and you're far more likely to hear them described as humble than cocky. Jimmy has some MJ in him when it comes to having high expectations for teammates, but that's not always going to work when you're not as good as MJ.
As for his "cardinal sin," there's a big difference between being frustrated with your teammates and calling your teammates out in the national media. Pushing guys to work harder and even calling them out in practice or the locker room in front of the team is expected from leaders. Talking trash about them to ESPN is not the move of a good leader.
I GUARANTEE you Brees or Manning chews into teammates who aren't giving their best. Manning had a meticulously curated public image but he was highly demanding as a teammate. The difference is the Colts moved mountains for him, very different than Jimmy in Minny. And Steph has been called cocky plenty of times the last two years with his shimmys and sideline glares after shots, which is FINE! He's a killer. Giannis is just starting to find himself, we saw him try to kill Aron Baynes repeatedly, his edge is still developing. Nobody is saying Jimmy is an A**hole to the media. Expecting someone to work as hard as you do isn't being a jerk.
And how do you know what he says to them in practice. He could ride them all the time and they just don't respond. Like he did today. So yea, he's talking to ESPN about it. Its part of his plan and his agenda, but its not like its some sadistic move. Dude is just completely fed up. And he's backing up all the smack he has talked.
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Jae seems to approve.
JAE CROWDER @CJC9BOSS
AYE MAN @JimmyButler TOOK EM BACK TO THE MARQUETTE DAYS I SEE.!! 😂😂😂 @TeamCoachBuzz LOOK WHAT YOU CREATED.!!! 😈😎
Reply by McNeilly lol
https://twitter.com/coachmcneilly/status/1050149916532727809?s=21
Bro - that was everyday in practice with you guys!! 😂
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Jimmy is an All Star who thinks he's a superstar. He's a Kyle Lowry who thinks he's a LeBron James. He's good, he's not great. He reminds me of the guy in the office who's good at what he does but is also always telling everyone how good he is at what he does and how hard he works, and is always complaining about everyone else.
There's a time and a place to motivate your teammates or your organization. If this was an every once in a while thing? Okay, cool I guess. But seemingly every month, even in the offseason? We get it dude. You work really hard and earned yourself a lot of money. Good job.
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Not all great athletes are cocky. Drew Brees and Peyton Manning are some of the best QBs of all time, and yet they manage to not be jerks to reporters or teammates.
Peyton Manning rubbed his balls in a female trainer's face, used PEDS (wait, that was totally his wife) and is besties with Papa John.
Drew Brees shills for a company that's essentially a pyramid scheme marketing supplements with dubious claims.
But Jimmy Butler is the jerk.
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It is pro sports and everything is about money. If this helps Jimmy get paid more than it is a good thing.
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3rd highest paid player ......
The rest is self-explanatory.....
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Jimmy has lost his marbles. Quick, elect him president
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Peyton Manning rubbed his balls in a female trainer's face, used PEDS (wait, that was totally his wife) and is besties with Papa John.
Drew Brees shills for a company that's essentially a pyramid scheme marketing supplements with dubious claims.
But Jimmy Butler is the jerk.
These have nothing to do with being cocky. You just don't like their sponsors.
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I GUARANTEE you Brees or Manning chews into teammates who aren't giving their best. Manning had a meticulously curated public image but he was highly demanding as a teammate. The difference is the Colts moved mountains for him, very different than Jimmy in Minny. And Steph has been called cocky plenty of times the last two years with his shimmys and sideline glares after shots, which is FINE! He's a killer. Giannis is just starting to find himself, we saw him try to kill Aron Baynes repeatedly, his edge is still developing. Nobody is saying Jimmy is an A**hole to the media. Expecting someone to work as hard as you do isn't being a jerk.
And how do you know what he says to them in practice. He could ride them all the time and they just don't respond. Like he did today. So yea, he's talking to ESPN about it. Its part of his plan and his agenda, but its not like its some sadistic move. Dude is just completely fed up. And he's backing up all the smack he has talked.
If there is a range of cocky things athletes can do, a shoulder shimmy is about a 1, screaming "You f***ing need me!" at the GM is closer to a 10.
As far as him being fed up, if what he says is true, then his frustration makes complete sense. But there are two sides to every story, and there's more than one way to skin a cat (any other cliches I can throw in?) There are other ways to motivate your team that don't involve the national media. And also, being right doesn't give you a free pass to be a jerk.
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As far as him being fed up, if what he says is true, then his frustration makes complete sense. But there are two sides to every story, and there's more than one way to skin a cat (any other cliches I can throw in?) There are other ways to motivate your team that don't involve the national media. And also, being right doesn't give you a free pass to be a jerk.
If you gave 100%, rode your teammates, pushed them to follow your lead, motivated and supported them, and they didn’t respond. And furthermore, management didn’t support you but instead catered to those teammates, would you rather the player continue to sit and say nothing and “deal with it” to the detriment of both the team, and their career? Genuinely curious.
And again? A jerk? A public call for people to be better and work? That’s soft. KAT talked crap to Butler at the start and got embarrassed. This makes the Wolves organization look soft and mismanaged with their team structure and priorities more than Jimmy the bully.
Love DJO on the squad that ran with him to dominate the starters
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Jimmy stepped up and proved his point. Leader.
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You don't think he's being selfish or a prima donna? He's demanding a trade to a major market team. He comes across as just wanting more time in the spotlight. He's not trying to get onto a contending team, just one in a bigger city where he can rub elbows with more Wahlbergs of the world.
Has he proven his value? Sure, he's a great player, and the team wins far more with him on the floor. But I don't think he's going about any of this the right way right now. I'm all for guys trying to get paid, but there are better ways of going about it. Then again, this method gets him the attention he seems to want. Not a good look for Jimmy, in my opinion.
No. I don't think telling his current team that he wants to play elsewhere means he's a prima donna. And I don't give a flying f*ck who he wants to hang out with as long as he works hard. Why does that matter?
Some of you guys worry about stuff that isn't really that big of a deal.
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If there is a range of cocky things athletes can do, a shoulder shimmy is about a 1, screaming "You f***ing need me!" at the GM is closer to a 10.
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No. I don't think telling his current team that he wants to play elsewhere means he's a prima donna. And I don't give a flying f*ck who he wants to hang out with as long as he works hard. Why does that matter?
Some of you guys worry about stuff that isn't really that big of a deal.
Jimmy wouldn't score too well amongst many Scoopers in the Negotiations thread. I hope he never sends his resume to Chick or he will be blackballed. :D
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I have zero idea why anyone would think what he just apparently did would be viewed as selfish or being a prima donna. Or frankly why it’s even an pretty boy move. He proved his value. Showed why working hard means something. And he lead by example.
nope-leading by example would be playing hard, winning, smiling, f'ing around, having fun and shutting your mouth-'specially the f-bombs at the gm, owner, coaches et.al. save that stuff for the meeting with them. don't bring it out on the court. what kind of example is he showing the young'ens other than his skills. everyone knows he can ball. my respect for jFb is waning, but there is still a little bit left
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nope-leading by example would be playing hard, winning, smiling, f'ing around, having fun and shutting your mouth-'specially the f-bombs at the gm, owner, coaches et.al. save that stuff for the meeting with them. don't bring it out on the court. what kind of example is he showing the young'ens other than his skills. everyone knows he can ball. my respect for jFb is waning, but there is still a little bit left
No. Leaders don't lead by "having fun and shutting your mouth." Good lord.
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No. Leaders don't lead by "having fun and shutting your mouth." Good lord.
i meant-shutting your mouth throwing f-bombs at the upper echelon of the team-owners, gm's, coaches. let me try to put it this way-you've got a really good employee, but disgruntled. they come into work laughing at you, telling you to go f yourself, etc etc...not the kind of leader i want
oh yeah...good God!!
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No. Leaders don't lead by "having fun and shutting your mouth." Good lord.
Amen. Yes men are not leaders.
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i meant-shutting your mouth throwing f-bombs at the upper echelon of the team-owners, gm's, coaches. let me try to put it this way-you've got a really good employee, but disgruntled. they come into work laughing at you, telling you to go f yourself, etc etc...not the kind of leader i want
oh yeah...good God!!
Well I don't run an NBA basketball team so....
Let's not pretend that its the same as running a college PR office.
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If you gave 100%, rode your teammates, pushed them to follow your lead, motivated and supported them, and they didn’t respond. And furthermore, management didn’t support you but instead catered to those teammates, would you rather the player continue to sit and say nothing and “deal with it” to the detriment of both the team, and their career? Genuinely curious.
And again? A jerk? A public call for people to be better and work? That’s soft. KAT talked crap to Butler at the start and got embarrassed. This makes the Wolves organization look soft and mismanaged with their team structure and priorities more than Jimmy the bully.
Love DJO on the squad that ran with him to dominate the starters
If I thought of myself as the hardest worker, the smartest, the only one who cared, etc, etc... I think I might be the one with the problem. Jimmy's ego has grown over the years, and in a lot of ways he's earned it. But I don't think he's earned a right to try to embarrass his organization in the public eye. He might think that everyone else is half-a$$ing it, but just because he thinks that doesn't make him right. For me, the biggest issue is his decision to make this public. That's the red flag.
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Well I don't run an NBA basketball team so....
Let's not pretend that its the same as running a college PR office.
not pretending anything. just saying that if you ever become a real owner and have to maintain some semblance of respect, watching one of your employees humiliate you in front of the rest of your employees is, well...humiliating. how ya gonna handle that one big guy?
that's ok to back pedal...it shows you may have some humility after all ::)
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shutting your mouth-'specially the f-bombs at the gm, owner, coaches et.al. save that stuff for the meeting with them. don't bring it out on the court.
Can we stop with this “swore at the owner” narrative. Multiple people have said it. He never swore at Glen Taylor. He actually reached out professionally a week or so ago to make sure everyone was aligned.
And there was no “f you” or “f off”, there was f-ing to add emphasis to a statement. And if you think dropping a few f bombs is “setting a poor example for younger players”, you’ve clearly never stepped foot near a college or professional playing surface. Clutch those pearls
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not pretending anything. just saying that if you ever become a real owner and have to maintain some semblance of respect, watching one of your employees humiliate you in front of the rest of your employees is, well...humiliating. how ya gonna handle that one big guy?
that's ok to back pedal...it shows you may have some humility after all ::)
You're the dude who wouldn't let an employee shave her head in solidarity with a friend who had cancer right?
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Can we stop with this “swore at the owner” narrative. Multiple people have said it. He never swore at Glen Taylor. He actually reached out professionally a week or so ago to make sure everyone was aligned.
And there was no “f you” or “f off”, there was f-ing to add emphasis to a statement. And if you think dropping a few f bombs is “setting a poor example for younger players”, you’ve clearly never stepped foot near a college or professional playing surface. Clutch those pearls
Exactly.
My God grab the fainting couch for ole rocket.
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If I thought of myself as the hardest worker, the smartest, the only one who cared, etc, etc... I think I might be the one with the problem. Jimmy's ego has grown over the years, and in a lot of ways he's earned it. But I don't think he's earned a right to try to embarrass his organization in the public eye. He might think that everyone else is half-a$$ing it, but just because he thinks that doesn't make him right. For me, the biggest issue is his decision to make this public. That's the red flag.
yes yes yes!!! i like how you covered this-jimmy is good! play ball and save the bullschmit for your closed door meetings with the gm and owner. i think jimmy would have had more of the fans support if he did just that. now he's divided them,causing mixed feelings with many. unless an owner/gm thinks he has the better way to deal with jb, go for it...until he get's p!ssed off again. there is a better way to do this
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You're the dude who wouldn't let an employee shave her head in solidarity with a friend who had cancer right?
what?? seriously?? fyi, i did not, not let her. i may have discouraged it from a professional office setting pov. and, i was being the boss, making a sound decision to save our jobs. maybe you guys in the college "PR" business can get away with this stuff, not a small town professional healthcare facility.
nice shutdown argument though
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Exactly.
My God grab the fainting couch for ole rocket.
dude, all this started when i disagreed with your opinion of a leader...and i still do. jb is going about this all wrong. and i repeat, he's good, but he's getting some bad advice
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yes yes yes!!! i like how you covered this-jimmy is good! play ball and save the bullschmit for your closed door meetings with the gm and owner. i think jimmy would have had more of the fans support if he did just that. now he's divided them,causing mixed feelings with many. unless an owner/gm thinks he has the better way to deal with jb, go for it...until he get's p!ssed off again. there is a better way to do this
According to SVG administration liked what he did
https://twitter.com/_marcusd3_/status/1050156091508760578?s=21
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He led. He showed the young guys what leadership and heart is. I would want him on the Pistons in a heartbeat.
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what?? seriously?? fyi, i did not, not let her. i may have discouraged it from a professional office setting pov. and, i was being the boss, making a sound decision to save our jobs. maybe you guys in the college "PR" business can get away with this stuff, not a small town professional healthcare facility.
nice shutdown argument though
No, it means you really don't have a good idea how to manage employees in a workplace.
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Jimmy stepped up and proved his point. Leader.
+1
Confused at all the talk of him being arrogant etc. He flat out said, he isn't the most talented person on the team, he's not the most athletic, he isn't the best, but he works the hardest, and then showed them what hard work can accomplish.
His whole statement was essentially, if you all work this hard, we will win and be dominant, because they all should be better than him.
That is a leader. That is not being arrogant, he owns the fact that he isn't the best. He just wants them all to show up and do there job.
How is that a bad thing?
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dude, all this started when i disagreed with your opinion of a leader...and i still do.
I'd rather be lead by someone who shows some heart and leads by example than by someone who flips out when their employee shaves their head.
So yeah, I don't agree with your concept of leadership.
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I'd rather be lead by someone who shows some heart and leads by example than by someone who flips out when their employee shaves their head.
So yeah, I don't agree with your concept of leadership.
Yep. In my experience on both sides, people respond to their leader’s passion and sober positivity. They do not respond to arbitrary exercises of authority.
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I wouldn't want him near the Bucks and am glad that the reports are the Bucks were offered him for Middleton and they turned it down.
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Jimmy stepped up and proved his point. Leader.
Nailing your teammate’s girlfriend is not being a leader.
If he were a Badger or Domer instead of an Eagle everyone here would be calling him out for the diva he is showing himself to be and this self serving spectacle he put on today.
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If you gave 100%, rode your teammates, pushed them to follow your lead, motivated and supported them, and they didn’t respond. And furthermore, management didn’t support you but instead catered to those teammates, would you rather the player continue to sit and say nothing and “deal with it” to the detriment of both the team, and their career? Genuinely curious.
And again? A jerk? A public call for people to be better and work? That’s soft. KAT talked crap to Butler at the start and got embarrassed. This makes the Wolves organization look soft and mismanaged with their team structure and priorities more than Jimmy the bully.
Love DJO on the squad that ran with him to dominate the starters
Was it confirmed DJO was on that squad?
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Nailing your teammate’s girlfriend is not being a leader.
If he were a Badger or Domer instead of an Eagle everyone here would be calling him out for the diva he is showing himself to be and this self serving spectacle he put on today.
No I wouldn’t.
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I wouldn't want him near the Bucks and am glad that the reports are the Bucks were offered him for Middleton and they turned it down.
Bucks don’t need him with Giannis. And Midddleton fits better in his role. So I agree with you.
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Nailing your teammate’s girlfriend is not being a leader.
First, she's a grown woman why is it Jimmys fault and not hers? She's the one who cheated on a relationship. Second has this been confirmed to be a girlfriend and not a NBA "groupie"?
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No, it means you really don't have a good idea how to manage employees in a workplace.
32 years and i've only had to fire exactly 4 people...speaks for itself. i had 2 people carried over from my dads tenure whom he hired before i arrived. original office manager had 34 with my dad and 18 more with me. my original assistant had 12 years with my dad and 32 with me, hygienist has been with me 30 years, new office mgr-12, front reception 8 and 10. year over year growth.
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There are different types of leadership. And there is a vast array of personality types. Every leader has a slightly different leadership style. Running a dental practice does not require the same kind of leadership as being the leader on a basketball team. Neither is necessarily better than the other. The important things are knowing yourself, knowing the people you work with, knowing your situation, and then putting together the best combination that you can.
I wouldn't want Jimmy running a dental practice with his style. I am not sure your style would be the best for trying to rally a young professional basketball team that is trying to compete in the Western Conference of the NBA. Against all of those superstars and super teams.
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Why was Jimmy Butler beloved his last two years at Marquette? Because he competed fearlessly against bigger players, guarded 5 positions on the floor, didn't shy away from the big moments, and was generally the toughest SOB on the floor. He had that in him then, and Buzz brought it out.
What has been one of the laments under Wojo? That these guys aren't as physical, aren't as tough, don't punch above their weight like a Buzz team.
Butler exhibits the same type of chip-on-the-shoulder, most-extreme-work-ethic attitude in an NBA practice against guys he perceives as soft and some of the MU fandom turns on him? For bringing the same ethos to an NBA camp that made him a hero at MU? He's not a prima donna. He's JFB. What made him great at MU is what continues to drive him.
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32 years and i've only had to fire exactly 4 people...speaks for itself. i had 2 people carried over from my dads tenure whom he hired before i arrived. original office manager had 34 with my dad and 18 more with me. my original assistant had 12 years with my dad and 32 with me, hygienist has been with me 30 years, new office mgr-12, front reception 8 and 10. year over year growth.
that's great!
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First, she's a grown woman why is it Jimmys fault and not hers? She's the one who cheated on a relationship. Second has this been confirmed to be a girlfriend and not a NBA "groupie"?
It’s all rumor and speculation which Towns even refuted online. Using that as a reason why Jimmy isn’t a good leader is a hilarious reach.
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As is often the case, truth is in the middle. Right, wrong, or indifferent, JB is showing he is good at basketball while getting some repeated bad PR off the court.
Some of the things are silly easily avoidable things, especially the public instead of private nature of them. I am top of my head thinking of his poor boundaries with other guy’s wives/girlfriends and the public nature of those incidents.
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Schooling the starters with a bunch of bench guys is epic.
Shouting obnoxious expletives at the owner isn’t.
Counterpoint: We should all be shouting obnoxious expletives at billionaires all the time!
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First, she's a grown woman why is it Jimmys fault and not hers? She's the one who cheated on a relationship. Second has this been confirmed to be a girlfriend and not a NBA "groupie"?
Everyone good with this line of shaming the woman? Cuz this reads... inelegantly to me.
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Butler exhibits the same type of chip-on-the-shoulder, most-extreme-work-ethic attitude in an NBA practice against guys he perceives as soft and some of the MU fandom turns on him? For bringing the same ethos to an NBA camp that made him a hero at MU? He's not a prima donna. He's JFB. What made him great at MU is what continues to drive him.
Saying the guy made a bad move or was being a jerk isn't turning on him. And if Jimmy had screamed at Buzz or other members of the staff the way he did with Tibs yesterday, I think many MU fans would have had a different impression of him then as well. If he called his college teammates out on Twitter or in interviews, many MU fans would have said it was a bad look or a selfish thing to do.
Just having worn the blue and gold doesn't make someone a saint. You can like a guy and want him to succeed but still be disappointed or frustrated with the way he carries himself at times. I can't believe this needs to be explained.
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Everyone good with this line of shaming the woman? Cuz this reads... inelegantly to me.
Come on. If she really cheated on someone, she deserves to be criticized.
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Everyone good with this line of shaming the woman? Cuz this reads... inelegantly to me.
It appears Galway eagle has a strong gender bias. Hopefully Galway eagle can figure it out someday
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It appears Galway eagle has a strong gender bias. Hopefully Galway eagle can figure it out someday
on the contrary, i believe in equality. Holding someone accountable for cheating whether they're a woman or a man is not a bias it's equality.
If you walk into your house and your significant other is cheating do you blame the person he/she is cheating with? If so then why? They weren't in a relationship with you. You might not like them because they ignored your relationship but the person to blame is the one who does the actual cheating.
In this particular instance i believe I would have a strong argument that by not holding her accountable and choosing to hold Jimmy accountable has a greater bias as it essentially insinuates that a man is responsible for a woman's sexual actions rather than her having ownership over them.
Everyone good with this line of shaming the woman? Cuz this reads... inelegantly to me.
There's such a thing as criticism to parties at fault without calling it "shaming". We do not know Jimmy and KAT's relationship. They could've been teammates and that's it. In this case there's no bond or promises that are broken by Jimmy for sleeping with his girlfriend. The breaking of promises lands on the girlfriend in this instance. Now if they were BFFs or something you could make a case otherwise.
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I agree with Galway. A woman isn’t property. If she’s cheating it’s as much in her as anyone. Jimmy didn’t “steal” her.
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I love Jimmy’s competitive fire and work ethic and loved him at MU. Hope all this lights a fire under the Wolves. But anyone who says he is not a prima donna and only wants to win is kidding themselves. He whined his way out of Chicago and is doing the same thing in Minnesota, using the same “no is committed to winning” like I am. Seriously? You got reunited with the coach that made you a superstar and have a team that is at least the 5th best in the western conference right now. So you demand a trade to the Knicks, Nets, or Clippers? None of those teams even made the playoffs last year and would be even worse off giving up major pieces to land Butler. What you really want is fame and attention, which was proven by your antics in practice yesterday. And by the way, Wiggins and Towns are still under 24 years old and have very bright futures. I get that Wiggins struggles to maintain intensity and Towns has defensive lapses. But Towns in particular is already a star, has shown plenty of competitive fire, and took a secondary role to Jimmy without complaint when in many cases he probably should have gotten the ball more. I’m so sick of this guy and his massive ego.
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Saying the guy made a bad move or was being a jerk isn't turning on him. And if Jimmy had screamed at Buzz or other members of the staff the way he did with Tibs yesterday, I think many MU fans would have had a different impression of him then as well. If he called his college teammates out on Twitter or in interviews, many MU fans would have said it was a bad look or a selfish thing to do.
Just having worn the blue and gold doesn't make someone a saint. You can like a guy and want him to succeed but still be disappointed or frustrated with the way he carries himself at times. I can't believe this needs to be explained.
I agree that wearing blue and gold doesn't make one a saint. I disagree that Butler made a bad move yesterday. And if Crowder's tweet is to be believed, there WERE practices with that kind of intensity at MU. Yelling obscenities at Buzz? Probably not, as he was a young man and loved Buzz. Bringing that kind of passion to the NBA may be a virtue. Thibs is outwardly supporting Jimmy. Thibs wants that level of passion, leadership, and defensive intensity.
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I love Jimmy’s competitive fire and work ethic and loved him at MU. Hope all this lights a fire under the Wolves. But anyone who says he is not a prima donna and only wants to win is kidding themselves. He whined his way out of Chicago and is doing the same thing in Minnesota, using the same “no is committed to winning” like I am. Seriously? You got reunited with the coach that made you a superstar and have a team that is at least the 5th best in the western conference right now. So you demand a trade to the Knicks, Nets, or Clippers? None of those teams even made the playoffs last year and would be even worse off giving up major pieces to land Butler. What you really want is fame and attention, which was proven by your antics in practice yesterday. And by the way, Wiggins and Towns are still under 24 years old and have very bright futures. I get that Wiggins struggles to maintain intensity and Towns has defensive lapses. But Towns in particular is already a star, has shown plenty of competitive fire, and took a secondary role to Jimmy without complaint when in many cases he probably should have gotten the ball more. I’m so sick of this guy and his massive ego.
Knicks, Nets, and Clips all have enough cap space for Jimmy and another superstar. Jimmy supposedly wants to team up with Kyrie in New York. That team would be an immediate contender in the East. Winning absolutely still matters. You admit that Wiggins struggles, what kind of message do you think Jimmy is receiving when Wiggins is getting 7 mil more a year than Jimmy? Go to a better market and team up with a player better than both KAT and Wiggins, and get paid more doing so. No brainer.
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I agree that wearing blue and gold doesn't make one a saint. I disagree that Butler made a bad move yesterday. And if Crowder's tweet is to be believed, there WERE practices with that kind of intensity at MU. Yelling obscenities at Buzz? Probably not, as he was a young man and loved Buzz. Bringing that kind of passion to the NBA may be a virtue. Thibs is outwardly supporting Jimmy. Thibs wants that level of passion, leadership, and defensive intensity.
Agree. Probably never got that heated with Buzz, but there's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy called out Vander or Davante if he thought they weren't giving all they had, and it no doubt made them better players.
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Agree. Probably never got that heated with Buzz, but there's no doubt in my mind that Jimmy called out Vander or Davante if he thought they weren't giving all they had, and it no doubt made them better players.
The point being, though, that we don't know if he did that or not. Because if he did push them and call them out, he did it in practice or in private, not with Rachel Nichols in front of the cameras. (which was very conveniently scheduled to happen right after his antics in his first practice, only further reinforcing the point that a lot of what he's doing is just seeking the spotlight)
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Knicks, Nets, and Clips all have enough cap space for Jimmy and another superstar. Jimmy supposedly wants to team up with Kyrie in New York. That team would be an immediate contender in the East. Winning absolutely still matters. You admit that Wiggins struggles, what kind of message do you think Jimmy is receiving when Wiggins is getting 7 mil more a year than Jimmy? Go to a better market and team up with a player better than both KAT and Wiggins, and get paid more doing so. No brainer.
The season starts in 6 days. If Butler lands on one of those teams before then it will be a long season. Also, he has signaled to those teams that they can sign him next summer if they want for $50 million less on a max deal than if they acquire him now. So it's a no brainer that none of those teams are willing to make a strong offer. Also there's zero certainty about landing Kyrie or any other star for that matter and doubtful it would be better than a supporting cast of Wiggins, Towns and Teague. The structure of Wiggins contract versus Jimmy's is more a matter of timing than anything else as the Wolves made Jimmy the biggest offer they could at the time and he understandably turned it down. There is flat out no better path to a winning team and a max deal than staying in Minnesota, even if the presence of Wiggins and Towns limits their roster flexibility.
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I have zero idea why anyone would think what he just apparently did would be viewed as selfish or being a prima donna. Or frankly why it’s even an pretty boy move. He proved his value. Showed why working hard means something. And he lead by example.
Well said Sultan. Totally agree.
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You admit that Wiggins struggles, what kind of message do you think Jimmy is receiving when Wiggins is getting 7 mil more a year than Jimmy?
In a league like the NBA, this is a nonsense argument. The message is that Wiggins probably signed his deal after Butler signed his. Butler signed in 2015. Wiggins signed in 2017. There's no message, no secret meaning, just the reality that contracts go up annually. You don't like it, sign one-year deals every year.
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Jimmy can go to NY with Kyrie after this season. He has a player option. The way Jimmy is acting, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he picked up the player option and then cried about being in a bad situation all offseason and next season.
Also, I highly doubt there was any sleeping with girlfriends or wives here, but there are people out there that actually believe that someone who knowingly sleeps with a coworker's (or anyone's) wife/girlfriend is not at all at fault? That only the cheater is at fault? Yeesh.
In a league like the NBA, this is a nonsense argument. The message is that Wiggins probably signed his deal after Butler signed his. Butler signed in 2015. Wiggins signed in 2017. There's no message, no secret meaning, just the reality that contracts go up annually. You don't like it, sign one-year deals every year.
Yup.
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This is the second franchise he's leaving/run out of in two years, and both times, otherwise pretty well respected guys were rolling their eyes on his way out the door. Expressions of righteous indignation are not leadership. Until he develops any record of raising the level of his teammates play in the NBA, he's a wannabe NBA leader, not an actual leader.
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This is the second franchise he's leaving/run out of in two years, and both times, otherwise pretty well respected guys were rolling their eyes on his way out the door. Expressions of righteous indignation are not leadership. Until he develops any record of raising the level of his teammates play in the NBA, he's a wannabe NBA leader, not an actual leader.
Yup. Again, he's a Kyle Lowry who thinks he's a LeBron James.
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The point being, though, that we don't know if he did that or not. Because if he did push them and call them out, he did it in practice or in private, not with Rachel Nichols in front of the cameras. (which was very conveniently scheduled to happen right after his antics in his first practice, only further reinforcing the point that a lot of what he's doing is just seeking the spotlight)
Jimmy gives 100%, 100% off the time. I don't want him holding back because there's media at the practice. I want the same intensity on game 1, and game 82.
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12016979/los-angeles-lakers-star-kobe-bryant-critical-teammates-heated-scrimmage
Kobe calling out players in practice and coaches praising him for his intensity. I don't see a difference other than the level of superstar-dome between the players. Jimmy felt disrespected by the front office and he's letting them know. He can't control when the media shows up.
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This is the second franchise he's leaving/run out of in two years, and both times, otherwise pretty well respected guys were rolling their eyes on his way out the door. Expressions of righteous indignation are not leadership. Until he develops any record of raising the level of his teammates play in the NBA, he's a wannabe NBA leader, not an actual leader.
So who were these otherwise respected guys rolling their eyes as he left Chicago?
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I agree with Galway. A woman isn’t property. If she’s cheating it’s as much in her as anyone. Jimmy didn’t “steal” her.
Your Freudian Slip is showing
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The point being, though, that we don't know if he did that or not. Because if he did push them and call them out, he did it in practice or in private, not with Rachel Nichols in front of the cameras. (which was very conveniently scheduled to happen right after his antics in his first practice, only further reinforcing the point that a lot of what he's doing is just seeking the spotlight)
Seeking the spotlight or using the spotlight to expose problems in his organization?
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The season starts in 6 days. If Butler lands on one of those teams before then it will be a long season. Also, he has signaled to those teams that they can sign him next summer if they want for $50 million less on a max deal than if they acquire him now. So it's a no brainer that none of those teams are willing to make a strong offer. Also there's zero certainty about landing Kyrie or any other star for that matter and doubtful it would be better than a supporting cast of Wiggins, Towns and Teague. The structure of Wiggins contract versus Jimmy's is more a matter of timing than anything else as the Wolves made Jimmy the biggest offer they could at the time and he understandably turned it down. There is flat out no better path to a winning team and a max deal than staying in Minnesota, even if the presence of Wiggins and Towns limits their roster flexibility.
Way to shift goalposts. Going from they didn't even make the playoffs last year to there's no certainty that a he could get another superstar. It's true that nothing is 100% certain, but if Jimmy wants to team up with Kyrie, and Kyrie wants to team up with Jimmy, and there's a major market that has the cap space to sign them both, there's a good likelihood that it happens.
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So who were these otherwise respected guys rolling their eyes as he left Chicago?
Rondo lead the charge. And while he might be a bit of a weird cat, he has a matured a lot since his Celtics days. In fact, that maturation gives him a great frame of reference, and when Wade and JFB went public vs the team, Rondo was the only guy with enough veteran gravitas to publicly push back, and negatively compared Wade & JFB's leadership to Pierce and Garnett.
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Why was Jimmy Butler beloved his last two years at Marquette? Because he competed fearlessly against bigger players, guarded 5 positions on the floor, didn't shy away from the big moments, and was generally the toughest SOB on the floor. He had that in him then, and Buzz brought it out.
What has been one of the laments under Wojo? That these guys aren't as physical, aren't as tough, don't punch above their weight like a Buzz team.
Butler exhibits the same type of chip-on-the-shoulder, most-extreme-work-ethic attitude in an NBA practice against guys he perceives as soft and some of the MU fandom turns on him? For bringing the same ethos to an NBA camp that made him a hero at MU? He's not a prima donna. He's JFB. What made him great at MU is what continues to drive him.
The JFB at MU was humble and hungry. Hard worker. He became better than anyone would have expected. But he has become a primary donna both on and off the court.
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This is the second franchise he's leaving/run out of in two years, and both times, otherwise pretty well respected guys were rolling their eyes on his way out the door. Expressions of righteous indignation are not leadership. Until he develops any record of raising the level of his teammates play in the NBA, he's a wannabe NBA leader, not an actual leader.
Except the Timberwolves were 8-9 without Jimmy last year and 35-27 with him. Wiggins and KAT are talented, but soft. None of Jordan, Kobe, or LeBron were angels and "kind" to their teammates.
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Jimmy gives 100%, 100% off the time. I don't want him holding back because there's media at the practice. I want the same intensity on game 1, and game 82.
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12016979/los-angeles-lakers-star-kobe-bryant-critical-teammates-heated-scrimmage
Kobe calling out players in practice and coaches praising him for his intensity. I don't see a difference other than the level of superstar-dome between the players. Jimmy felt disrespected by the front office and he's letting them know. He can't control when the media shows up.
But the level of superstardom is exactly the point. If you're Kobe or Jordan, you don't need to be a deft leader. You can just do your own thing, and its on everyone else to be the planets that revolve around your sun. That doesn't make those guys good leaders or make their behavior something to emulate. If anything, it speaks to how rare your talent level has to be to act like that and still get results. And JFB aint those guys. So if his goal is to actually make his teams better, and not just pat himself on the back, he's going to have to try something else.
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No. Leaders don't lead by "having fun and shutting your mouth." Good lord.
Sultan explains it all.
The Indiana higher education system is lucky to have a leader like you.
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Way to shift goalposts. Going from they didn't even make the playoffs last year to there's no certainty that a he could get another superstar. It's true that nothing is 100% certain, but if Jimmy wants to team up with Kyrie, and Kyrie wants to team up with Jimmy, and there's a major market that has the cap space to sign them both, there's a good likelihood that it happens.
It's not shifting the goal posts. You brought up the possibility of joining Kyrie as an alternative source of his motivation and I responded to it directly.
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Rondo lead the charge. And while he might be a bit of a weird cat, he has a matured a lot since his Celtics days. In fact, that maturation gives him a great frame of reference, and when Wade and JFB went public vs the team, Rondo was the only guy with enough veteran gravitas to publicly push back, and negatively compared Wade & JFB's leadership to Pierce and Garnett.
So an over the hill, sh*tty player. Got it.
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But the level of superstardom is exactly the point. If you're Kobe or Jordan, you don't need to be a deft leader. You can just do your own thing, and its on everyone else to be the planets that revolve around your sun. That doesn't make those guys good leaders or make their behavior something to emulate. If anything, it speaks to how rare your talent level has to be to act like that and still get results. And JFB aint those guys. So if his goal is to actually make his teams better, and not just pat himself on the back, he's going to have to try something else.
One of the teams most veteran and best players calling out younger players in practice. It's the same situation. You're saying that you have to be at Kobe of MJ level to call out your teammates for half-@$$ing it in practice?
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One of the teams most veteran and best players calling out younger players in practice. It's the same situation. You're saying that you have to be at Kobe of MJ level to call out your teammates for half-@$$ing it in practice?
Agree. He led by example. Took the team of 3rd string players and beat KAT and Wiggins team, several times. Jimmy is the alpha of that team. Proved his point. KAT and Wiggins don't like it, they'll never have a chance at winning on a big level.
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It's not shifting the goal posts. You brought up the possibility of joining Kyrie as an alternative source of his motivation and I responded to it directly.
It is shifting goalposts. You made the implication that JFB only cares about money by wanting a trade to teams that "Didn't even make the playoffs". You then double down by saying that he wouldn't be teaming up with anyone, further implying that it's only about the money. FYI, players choose to team up in new cities, the Miami Heat era for example.
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Your Freudian Slip is showing
This post didn't get enough recognition
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So an over the hill, sh*tty player. Got it.
If the argument is that that older players with lower PERs can't be correct in pushing back against young, inexperienced but extremely talented players, we're not going to see eye to eye on this.
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One of the teams most veteran and best players calling out younger players in practice. It's the same situation. You're saying that you have to be at Kobe of MJ level to call out your teammates for half-@$$ing it in practice?
Its not even close to the same situation! If Kobe or MJ had made a show of calling out teammates for half-@ssing it in practice to try to increase his leverage to force a trade, then we could talk.
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I seem to remember a lot of posters here loving the story of a young Steve Wojciechowski pulling his High School Varsity basketball team back into their locker-room as a Freshman because he didn't like their lacks effort during warm-ups. You don't have to be a superstar to call out poor effort. This seems like a similar story, except the person doing the calling out is the teams best player. What happened guys? Jimmy too intense for ya?
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Its not even close to the same situation! If Kobe or MJ had made a show of calling out teammates for half-@ssing it in practice to try to increase his leverage to force a trade, then we could talk.
I think you got your timeline screwed up a bit. By all accounts Wiggins hasn't gone full out in a practice since Jimmy got there. Wiggins not giving it all was one of the reasons Jimmy requested a trade, not the other way around.
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This thread has been fascinating. I am amazed by the amount of people on this site who have direct access to Timberwolves' practices and to KAT's bedroom.
Personally, I am not a fan of a lot of what JFB has done as a pro. I agree with others who have pointed out that you don't air your grievances and call out teammates in the media, you do that in private. I also question the "other players are slacking narrative." I believed it in Chicago, mostly because I love JFB. Now that its happening in a second locker room...I'm not so sure. When there's repeated problems I tend to look for the common denominator, in this case, that is JFB.
All that being said, I don't know how anyone couldn't love the story about him beating the first team with a bunch of 3rd stringers. That is the most badass thing to happen at a basketball practice that I have ever heard of. That's some Hoosiers sh*t. If that doesn't get you fired up I don't know what will. That's totally going in the movie whenever he makes his Blind Side knockoff.
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This thread has been fascinating. I am amazed by the amount of people on this site who have direct access to Timberwolves' practices and to KAT's bedroom.
Personally, I am not a fan of a lot of what JFB has done as a pro. I agree with others who have pointed out that you don't air your grievances and call out teammates in the media, you do that in private. I also question the "other players are slacking narrative." I believed it in Chicago, mostly because I love JFB. Now that its happening in a second locker room...I'm not so sure. When there's repeated problems I tend to look for the common denominator, in this case, that is JFB.
All that being said, I don't know how anyone couldn't love the story about him beating the first team with a bunch of 3rd stringers. That is the most badass thing to happen at a basketball practice that I have ever heard of. That's some Hoosiers sh*t. If that doesn't get you fired up I don't know what will. That's totally going in the movie whenever he makes his Blind Side knockoff.
I am in complete agreement.
We have had posters here talk about Jimmy being the alpha dog. But, I'll go out on a limb here - a team will never win a title with JB as their best player. Emasculating the other stars on the team is not going to make them better - it will only cause a bigger rift. I took a lot of flack here when Love was traded to Cleveland for saying he was not a top 20 player when the generally accepted knowledge is that he was. Jimmy is a slightly better version of Love - he is able to be the leader/best player on a bad team.
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I am in complete agreement.
We have had posters here talk about Jimmy being the alpha dog. But, I'll go out on a limb here - a team will never win a title with JB as their best player. Emasculating the other stars on the team is not going to make them better - it will only cause a bigger rift. I took a lot of flack here when Love was traded to Cleveland for saying he was not a top 20 player when the generally accepted knowledge is that he was. Jimmy is a slightly better version of Love - he is able to be the leader/best player on a bad team.
I'd agree with this prediction. Honestly I think Jimmy needs to be put on a team where hes clearly second or third best. Honestly being on a Warriors or OKC or LAL would be great for him. Sadly Wade was too old and too close to MU to properly teach Jimmy.
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First, she's a grown woman why is it Jimmys fault and not hers? She's the one who cheated on a relationship. Second has this been confirmed to be a girlfriend and not a NBA "groupie"?
As a "leader" on a team, you don't hookup (if that is what he did and I don't know if true) with a teammates girlfriend even if she is equally at fault. Bad move, bad chemistry on the team. These guys can get pretty much whomever they want, you just have to say no in that situation and get together with someone else. If true, that shows bad leadership in my opinion. It drives a wedge through the team.
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Why was Jimmy Butler beloved his last two years at Marquette? Because he competed fearlessly against bigger players, guarded 5 positions on the floor, didn't shy away from the big moments, and was generally the toughest SOB on the floor. He had that in him then, and Buzz brought it out.
Beloved by fans, or beloved by his teammates? There is a difference.
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Beloved by fans, or beloved by his teammates? There is a difference.
Are you implying that MU players that didn't like JFB? Because with perhaps 1 or 2 exceptions this is 100% false.
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Beloved by fans, or beloved by his teammates? There is a difference.
in the least he got along with Lazar, DJO and Jae. I doubt Jamail Jones or Reggie Smith enjoyed him but there's certainly more than a few teammates that liked him.
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I am in complete agreement.
We have had posters here talk about Jimmy being the alpha dog. But, I'll go out on a limb here - a team will never win a title with JB as their best player. Emasculating the other stars on the team is not going to make them better - it will only cause a bigger rift. I took a lot of flack here when Love was traded to Cleveland for saying he was not a top 20 player when the generally accepted knowledge is that he was. Jimmy is a slightly better version of Love - he is able to be the leader/best player on a bad team.
Being the Alpha Dog and being the best players aren't necessarily synonyms. Wade is the alpha dog on the Heat still, but he certainly isn't the best player. Wizards MJ was the alpha dog but wasn't the best player. Any team that has had Shaq had him as the best player but at least Wade and Kobe we both the alpha dogs on those respective teams. Hell, any of the Spurs teams, after the Admiral retired, had as the best player but Tony Parker or Pop were the alpha dogs. JFB is not a superstar, but that doesn't mean he can't be the leader.
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But he has become a primary donna both on and off the court.
I'll take that over a secondary donna, or the always dreaded tertiary donna.
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I'll take that over a secondary donna, or the always dreaded tertiary donna.
Tertiary Donna was the name of my high school band
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It is shifting goalposts. You made the implication that JFB only cares about money by wanting a trade to teams that "Didn't even make the playoffs". You then double down by saying that he wouldn't be teaming up with anyone, further implying that it's only about the money. FYI, players choose to team up in new cities, the Miami Heat era for example.
No. I am not saying he only cares about money. I did say his claim that he only cares about WINNING is hollow because any of his preferred options will likely win fewer games than he would in Minnesota. Even if I agreed with your summary is it shifting the goal posts to offer two different reasons for the same point to address your comment? What if I said the same thing in two different ways?
You pointed out that those teams will have cap space and sign another star, such as Kyrie, for next season. Fair point, but I said that’s far from certain looking a year out. Also, he is on a very good lineup that is poised to win a lot of games right now, despite some deficiencies with the other two stars. Sure, there is always the possibility that if he goes to any other team in the NBA they could build something better within a couple years, but it’s not like he is saying he’ll only go to the Warriors, Rockets or Celtics at any price.
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I am in complete agreement.
We have had posters here talk about Jimmy being the alpha dog. But, I'll go out on a limb here - a team will never win a title with JB as their best player. Emasculating the other stars on the team is not going to make them better - it will only cause a bigger rift. I took a lot of flack here when Love was traded to Cleveland for saying he was not a top 20 player when the generally accepted knowledge is that he was. Jimmy is a slightly better version of Love - he is able to be the leader/best player on a bad team.
It's true that a team is unlikely to win a title with Jimmy as its best player, but that has nothing to do with him emasculating others on the team. MJ and Kobe did that on a daily basis and have a combined 11 rings.
With the exception of the 2004 Pistons, no team has won a title without at least one top 10 player on its roster in at least 40 years. JFB is really good, but not top 10 good.
Could you choose two less similar players than Jimmy and Kevin Love?
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I'll take that over a secondary donna, or the always dreaded tertiary donna.
Secondary spell check error. Smdh.
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Could you choose two less similar players than Jimmy and Kevin Love?
I wasn’t comparing them as players but rather their value or perceived value to a team.
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Jimmy gives 100%, 100% off the time. I don't want him holding back because there's media at the practice. I want the same intensity on game 1, and game 82.
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12016979/los-angeles-lakers-star-kobe-bryant-critical-teammates-heated-scrimmage
Kobe calling out players in practice and coaches praising him for his intensity. I don't see a difference other than the level of superstar-dome between the players. Jimmy felt disrespected by the front office and he's letting them know. He can't control when the media shows up.
I think the story is that Jimmy called Rachel Nichols that he was willing to do an interview and she should come to MIN. So in a way, it was a little calculated I think.
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Can we stop with this “swore at the owner” narrative. Multiple people have said it. He never swore at Glen Taylor. He actually reached out professionally a week or so ago to make sure everyone was aligned.
And there was no “f you” or “f off”, there was f-ing to add emphasis to a statement. And if you think dropping a few f bombs is “setting a poor example for younger players”, you’ve clearly never stepped foot near a college or professional playing surface. Clutch those pearls
Yeah, fookin', is commonly used as a noun, verb, adjective, or adverb. Won of da most versatile words in hour language, aina?
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Seems like veterans liked what he did and is mainly Wiggins and KAT upset.
https://watchstadium.com/videos/147958
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Butler called players only meeting today practice cancelled:
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/10/11/report-jimmy-butler-calls-players-only-meeting/
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Eye'm in da JFB will reap mega benefits kamp from his bizarre outrage and demands, hey?
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First, she's a grown woman why is it Jimmys fault and not hers? She's the one who cheated on a relationship. Second has this been confirmed to be a girlfriend and not a NBA "groupie"?
nah, that's sl*t shaming. I thought I was reliably informed that wasn't cool.
You're saying "oh she's just a floozy that gets around so who cares, it's her fault, not anyone else's." That's some retrograde thinking right there, my dude.
You get with a coworker's significant other and you bear some blame for that, even if the significant other did the initiating. Take's two to do the horizontal tango and all that.
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nah, that's sl*t shaming. I thought I was reliably informed that wasn't cool.
You're saying "oh she's just a floozy that gets around so who cares, it's her fault, not anyone else's." That's some retrograde thinking right there, my dude.
You get with a coworker's significant other and you bear some blame for that, even if the significant other did the initiating. Take's two to do the horizontal tango and all that.
The fact is that lifestyle does exist, I did not say anything negative about it merely questioned if that was the type of life she leads thus any negative connotation you infer with it comes from within you.
To your second point again that's a complete incorrect inference from you. If she's an NBA groupie then I would say that's more on Towns for misreading the relationship not her fault. She's free to live the life she wants if the lifestyle she chooses is to notch NBA stars on her bed post more power to her so your statement of me saying it's her fault because she sleeps around is patently false.
I owe my coworkers nothing. They aren't my friends, I have no commitments to them in our personal lives and if you enter a relationship inwhich you agree not to sleep around and then if you break that, you do bear the blame. That is why I said we don't know Jimmy and KAT's relationship, if they were friends then absolutely Jimmy bares some responsibility along with the woman in question.
In conclusion, it would seem to me that you made a lot of conclusions that were not written nor insinuated. I'd say you have to take a look inside and figure out where those came from. Saying a person enjoys sleeping with NBA players is not inherently a negative statement. Taking it negatively like you did (ie equating it to floozy, and slut) likely means there's some sort of discomfort with the lifestyle they live that you're overcorrecting.
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I wasn’t comparing them as players but rather their value or perceived value to a team.
Minnesota went 12 straight years without a playoff appearance (six of them with Kevin Love) until Jimmy arrived.
And before you suggest Jimmy had a better team around him ... while that's true, consider:
- the Western Conference is much more challenging today than it was 6-7 years ago
- the T-Pups went 10-13 when Jimmy was out last year. Over a full season, that's about 35 wins, i.e. 12 games out of a playoff spot.
So, I would suggest Jimmy was very valuable to Minnesota.
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Butler called players only meeting today practice cancelled:
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/10/11/report-jimmy-butler-calls-players-only-meeting/
Sounds like this is fake news per DJO and Teague on twitter.
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The fact is that lifestyle does exist, I did not say anything negative about it merely questioned if that was the type of life she leads thus any negative connotation you infer with it comes from within you.
To your second point again that's a complete incorrect inference from you. If she's an NBA groupie then I would say that's more on Towns for misreading the relationship not her fault. She's free to live the life she wants if the lifestyle she chooses is to notch NBA stars on her bed post more power to her so your statement of me saying it's her fault because she sleeps around is patently false.
I owe my coworkers nothing. They aren't my friends, I have no commitments to them in our personal lives and if you enter a relationship you agree not to sleep around and if you break that you bear the blame. That is why I said we don't know Jimmy and KAT's relationship, if they were friends then absolutely Jimmy bares some responsibility.
In conclusion, it would seem to me that you made a lot of conclusions that were not written not insinuated. I'd say you have to take a look inside and figure out where those cans from. Saying a person enjoys sleeping with NBA players is not inherently a negative statement. Taking it negatively like you did likely means there's some sort of discomfort with the concept that you're overcorrecting.
Or you're bending over backwards to defend the actions of a ball player you like. I'm guessing if he were a badger you wouldn't be so quick to absolve him of any responsibility though.
Or maybe you're protesting too much.
Or whatever, maybe you're right. Maybe Jimmy is just a heckuva coworker and KAT only has himself to blame. Shrug.
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Or you're bending over backwards to defend the actions of a ball player you like. I'm guessing if he were a badger you wouldn't be so quick to absolve him of any responsibility though.
Or maybe you're protesting too much.
Or whatever, maybe you're right. Maybe Jimmy is just a heckuva coworker and KAT only has himself to blame. Shrug.
I'm not bending over backwards. Quite frankly I don't particularly like Jimmy, he's overly cocky, and pretty crappy person at least in 2011 he was. You called me out for backwards thinking and I am defending myself from those false accusations (especially when they were expanded in your previous post).
You're right if it was a badger they'd already be at fault for being badgers. But my initial post was only questioning the conflict between KAT and Jimmy and if it truly is a valid conflict.
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Bags said that when someone cheats both the cheater and the person they cheated with are in the wrong. How is that a debatable statement?
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Minnesota went 12 straight years without a playoff appearance (six of them with Kevin Love) until Jimmy arrived.
And before you suggest Jimmy had a better team around him ... while that's true, consider:
- the Western Conference is much more challenging today than it was 6-7 years ago
- the T-Pups went 10-13 when Jimmy was out last year. Over a full season, that's about 35 wins, i.e. 12 games out of a playoff spot.
So, I would suggest Jimmy was very valuable to Minnesota.
That wasn’t what I meant, but I think I am just not saying it right. I meant perceived value to any random team.
Of course, they were better with JB on the court because he was their best player. I would guess they had a better record when Love was on the Court as well.
I guess my ultimate point was that Jimmy (or Love) is not as valuable as he perceives himself to be.
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Can we note for the record that the source for the "Jimmy hooked up with KAT's girlfriend" is Billy Hoyle and other assorted Internet trolls.
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I guess my ultimate point was that Jimmy (or Love) is not as valuable as he perceives himself to be.
Fair enough.
I don't know how valuable Jimmy perceives himself to be, but I do think he's a max contract player and was justifiably insulted by the team's offer to pay him $11 million a year less than Wiggins.
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Fair enough.
I don't know how valuable Jimmy perceives himself to be, but I do think he's a max contract player and was justifiably insulted by the team's offer to pay him $11 million a year less than Wiggins.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but didn't he sign a max contract in Chicago before he was traded to Minny? And then he was just offered another max contract, right? What else could Minnesota have done for him? Wiggins getting paid more is just a matter of timing isn't it?
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Fair enough.
I don't know how valuable Jimmy perceives himself to be, but I do think he's a max contract player and was justifiably insulted by the team's offer to pay him $11 million a year less than Wiggins.
Yeah, I feel bad for Jimmy. Signing a 92 million dollar guareented contract, $20 million this year, was a terrible decision. Jeez. Has two years left I believe, abide by what you signed, then you can bitch and moan. Comparing your contract against others is not the time. 92 million dollars.
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but didn't he sign a max contract in Chicago before he was traded to Minny? And then he was just offered another max contract, right? What else could Minnesota have done for him? Wiggins getting paid more is just a matter of timing isn't it?
He did not sign a max contract with the Bulls and Minnesota offered him nothing close to a max contract. Minnesota offered 4 years/$110 million. A max contract would be 5 years/$188 million.
My basic math skills tell me that Minnesota offered $78 million less than a max contract.
A max contract would be slightly more than what they're paying Wiggins.
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Can we note for the record that the source for the "Jimmy hooked up with KAT's girlfriend" is Billy Hoyle and other assorted Internet trolls.
Duly noted. The next time he backs up one of his accusations with any facts will be the first.
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Jimmy's current contract details:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/minnesota-timberwolves/jimmy-butler-8081/
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Bags said that when someone cheats both the cheater and the person they cheated with are in the wrong. How is that a debatable statement?
Not how I read it at all.
on the contrary, i believe in equality. Holding someone accountable for cheating whether they're a woman or a man is not a bias it's equality.
If you walk into your house and your significant other is cheating do you blame the person he/she is cheating with? If so then why? They weren't in a relationship with you. You might not like them because they ignored your relationship but the person to blame is the one who does the actual cheating.
In this particular instance i believe I would have a strong argument that by not holding her accountable and choosing to hold Jimmy accountable has a greater bias as it essentially insinuates that a man is responsible for a woman's sexual actions rather than her having ownership over them.
There's such a thing as criticism to parties at fault without calling it "shaming". We do not know Jimmy and KAT's relationship. They could've been teammates and that's it. In this case there's no bond or promises that are broken by Jimmy for sleeping with his girlfriend. The breaking of promises lands on the girlfriend in this instance. Now if they were BFFs or something you could make a case otherwise.
Pretty much read it as, "Hey, if a married person or someone in a relationship wants to sleep around with someone else, not the other person's problem regardless of what they know!"
Which, of course, is absurd.
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Yeah, I feel bad for Jimmy. Signing a 92 million dollar guareented contract, $20 million this year, was a terrible decision. Jeez. Has two years left I believe, abide by what you signed, then you can bitch and moan. Comparing your contract against others is not the time. 92 million dollars.
He is abiding by his contract. He's not holding out for a bigger contract, asking the Wolves to rip up the last year of this deal and give him more money or even refusing to play for Minnesota if they don't trade him.
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He did not sign a max contract with the Bulls and Minnesota offered him nothing close to a max contract. Minnesota offered 4 years/$110 million. A max contract would be 5 years/$188 million.
My basic math skills tell me that Minnesota offered $78 million less than a max contract.
A max contract would be slightly more than what they're paying Wiggins.
My basic reading comprehension sees max contract noted twice here.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/13/17570296/why-did-jimmy-butler-decline-minnesota-timberwolves-max-contract-extension-nba-free-agency-2018-2019 (https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/13/17570296/why-did-jimmy-butler-decline-minnesota-timberwolves-max-contract-extension-nba-free-agency-2018-2019)
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Sounds like this is fake news per DJO and Teague on twitter.
I follow DJO no tweet about it. Checked his twitter feed and couldn't find it.
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I follow DJO no tweet about it. Checked his twitter feed and couldn't find it.
He deleted the tweet.
It’s an awful situation for the organization. Really, really bad.
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He deleted the tweet.
It’s an awful situation for the organization. Really, really bad.
Strange he has deleted too many tweets lately per people maybe he is been hacked and this does not bode bad seems like it is going to go ok
https://twitter.com/highnoononespn/status/1050478857617326080?s=21
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Yeah, I feel bad for Jimmy. Signing a 92 million dollar guareented contract, $20 million this year, was a terrible decision. Jeez. Has two years left I believe, abide by what you signed, then you can bitch and moan. Comparing your contract against others is not the time. 92 million dollars.
This is just talk radio pablum. The size of his contract isn’t relevant. He wants to work elsewhere like a lot of people do. I
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He deleted the tweet.
It’s an awful situation for the organization. Really, really bad.
Ok found the tweet to me he was just fcking around and decided to delete bc it gave wrong info
https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1050471121315880960?s=21
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Not how I read it at all.
Pretty much read it as, "Hey, if a married person or someone in a relationship wants to sleep around with someone else, not the other person's problem regardless of what they know!"
Which, of course, is absurd.
This is why I keep pointing out we don't know their relationship. Has nobody seen major league on this forum?! Are we going to blame Vaughn for not knowing he slept with the wife of Roger? Of course there's instances where both are to blame. Sorry I didn't paint an entire flow chart. I was just pointing out that people seemed to be pointing a gun at Jimmy with finding no fault at the young woman who actually cheated.
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This is why I keep pointing out we don't know their relationship. Has nobody seen major league on this forum?! Are we going to blame Vaughn for not knowing he slept with the wife of Roger? Of course there's instances where both are to blame. Sorry I didn't paint an entire flow chart. I was just pointing out that people seemed to be pointing a gun at Jimmy with finding no fault at the young woman who actually cheated.
What Scoop expects of you
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My basic reading comprehension sees max contract noted twice here.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/13/17570296/why-did-jimmy-butler-decline-minnesota-timberwolves-max-contract-extension-nba-free-agency-2018-2019 (https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/13/17570296/why-did-jimmy-butler-decline-minnesota-timberwolves-max-contract-extension-nba-free-agency-2018-2019)
Your basic reading skills need to be more refined. Minnesota offered him the most they could at the time, but that is not what a "max contract" would be if he waited until he enters free agency.
From the article you linked:
"The $110 million contract offer on the table is a huge chunk of money; an average of around $27.5 million per year. But by waiting until next summer to sign a contract, Butler increases his net worth dramatically.
If he waits until the 2019 free agency and re-signs with Minnesota, he could sign a five-year max contract extension worth $188 million. What would you do with that kind of money? And if he leaves to sign elsewhere, Butler would easily garner max contract consideration of four years worth $140 million."
Furthermore, it looks as though they had a deal with the Heat lined up, only to have Thibs call back and want more.
https://deadspin.com/report-pat-riley-called-tom-thibodeau-a-motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer-f-1829699806
But of course, this is all Jimmy's fault...
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Your basic reading skills need to be more refined. Minnesota offered him the most they could at the time, but that is not what a "max contract" would be if he waited until he enters free agency.
Right. Minnesota offered him the most they could... Most = maximum. Max is shorthand for maximum. Ipso facto... max contract. See how that works?
So any griping about Minnesota paying Wiggins more than Jimmy doesn't make any sense. They offered him as much as they could; there's nothing more they could do. Based on the way the contracts work, other teams are able to give him more, but that doesn't mean that Minnesota didn't offer him a max contract.
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Are you implying that MU players that didn't like JFB? Because with perhaps 1 or 2 exceptions this is 100% false.
Not implying, asking a question. But as you also alluded to, when one says beloved it come across as universal, which is also not always the case. Beloved by some, not by others is more accurate. One can even be beloved by some and despised by others. See politics every day.
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Coulda offered more bread bye shufflin' sum playas around doe, hey?
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Most of us love what Jimmy did for our program, so we like his bad-arse nature and are proud of what he's accomplished in the NBA. Even most of us who think he's being at least a little diva-ish or jerk-ish still like him.
If he were a F%cky or Domer or Lou-Evil guy and he acted like this, we'd be rippin' him a new one.
And that's OK. All's fair in love and fandom!
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Most of us love what Jimmy did for our program, so we like his bad-arse nature and are proud of what he's accomplished in the NBA. Even most of us who think he's being at least a little diva-ish or jerk-ish still like him.
If he were a F%cky or Domer or Lou-Evil guy and he acted like this, we'd be rippin' him a new one.
And that's OK. All's fair in love and fandom!
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Right. Minnesota offered him the most they could... Most = maximum. Max is shorthand for maximum. Ipso facto... max contract. See how that works?
So any griping about Minnesota paying Wiggins more than Jimmy doesn't make any sense. They offered him as much as they could; there's nothing more they could do. Based on the way the contracts work, other teams are able to give him more, but that doesn't mean that Minnesota didn't offer him a max contract.
Although other teams are not able to give him more after this season. Whatever team has him for this season can offer the full 5 year $188 million next summer, or if he goes to another team he can get 4 years and $141 million. Not sure if anyone really cares about the difference with that amount of money, but the Wolves could hold onto him and then be the only team able to make a super max offer. You have to assume that when JB is 34 it might be tough to get $47 million for that next year. But with the way salaries are escalating, maybe not. In any case, you can see why Jimmy is motivated to get moved now.
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Not implying, asking a question. But as you also alluded to, when one says beloved it come across as universal, which is also not always the case. Beloved by some, not by others is more accurate. One can even be beloved by some and despised by others. See politics every day.
For Christ's sake, Chico, nobody is UNIVERSALLY beloved. Everybody knows that. The "most beloved" guy in history ended up nailed to a cross. Stop picking nits, especially the small ones.
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Right. Minnesota offered him the most they could... Most = maximum. Max is shorthand for maximum. Ipso facto... max contract. See how that works?
So any griping about Minnesota paying Wiggins more than Jimmy doesn't make any sense. They offered him as much as they could; there's nothing more they could do. Based on the way the contracts work, other teams are able to give him more, but that doesn't mean that Minnesota didn't offer him a max contract.
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The point is they tried to sign him in the cheap by giving him less money early.
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Are you guys dense?
Jimmy and Thibs are in cahoots. It's the ole good cop/bad cop routine.
(Jimmy is playing the bad cop obviously. He won't be traded because he doesn't want to be traded. Read between the lines.)
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Are you guys dense?
Jimmy and Thibs are in cahoots. It's the ole good cop/bad cop routine.
(Jimmy is playing the bad cop obviously. He won't be traded because he doesn't want to be traded. Read between the lines.)
This.
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This.
I wish, but super unlikely. Nonetheless if I run into Jimmy again tomorrow I’ll ask him.
PS - you check your PM’s??
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Most of us love what Jimmy did for our program, so we like his bad-arse nature and are proud of what he's accomplished in the NBA. Even most of us who think he's being at least a little diva-ish or jerk-ish still like him.
If he were a F%cky or Domer or Lou-Evil guy and he acted like this, we'd be rippin' him a new one.
And that's OK. All's fair in love and fandom!
Yes, but...Minnesota with all that talent, unless someone takes the wolf by the horns here, this could become a lost season. Someone needs to step up as a real leader and get the focus back on winning b-ball games away from money and bangin other dudes squeezes Thibs has got to get the team to re-focus. As,I said, I like jfb, but not what he’s doing right now. He’s a good baller, but he’s got to lose the ego and allow his play once again just speak for itself. Seriously? $140, 150, 160 million? And he doesn’t even have a family to feed. These guys aren’t going to catch Jeff bezos or Elon musk, might as well try to get by on the scraps ya can get now while you’re healthy😳🤑🤷🏼♂️😉
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For Christ's sake, Chico, nobody is UNIVERSALLY beloved. Everybody knows that. The "most beloved" guy in history ended up nailed to a cross. Stop picking nits, especially the small ones.
Entirely the point, Chicos. Let's not put our own personal beliefs of someone and project them out to say everyone loved him. That isn't the case for anyone, not even Mother Theresa.
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Are you guys dense?
Jimmy and Thibs are in cahoots. It's the ole good cop/bad cop routine.
(Jimmy is playing the bad cop obviously. He won't be traded because he doesn't want to be traded. Read between the lines.)
I TEND TO AGREE WITH THIS...
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For those with a subscription to The Athletic, this was a great write up on the whole timeline of events in the Butler trade.
https://theathletic.com/542682/2018/11/12/jimmy-butler-saga-diary-of-dysfunction-a-day-by-day-look (https://theathletic.com/542682/2018/11/12/jimmy-butler-saga-diary-of-dysfunction-a-day-by-day-look)
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the second year in a row I've bought tickets to see the Wolves and Butler ended up not playing. At least last year it was because of an injury, not being a whiny little bitch as was his ailment this year. I can't wait to see how he ruins Simmons and Embid. We may never see Markel Fultz again after Butler lays into him.
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the second year in a row I've bought tickets to see the Wolves and Butler ended up not playing. At least last year it was because of an injury, not being a whiny little bitch as was his ailment this year. I can't wait to see how he ruins Simmons and Embid. We may never see Markel Fultz again after Butler lays into him.
LOL Butler will be fine. He'll likely thrive. Fultz on the other hand... they should have traded him & their first rounders last year to try to draft Doncic. The guy's a head case.
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the second year in a row I've bought tickets to see the Wolves and Butler ended up not playing. At least last year it was because of an injury, not being a whiny little bitch as was his ailment this year. I can't wait to see how he ruins Simmons and Embid. We may never see Markel Fultz again after Butler lays into him.
Why would you buy tickets to see him if you apparently dislike him so much?