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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MUHoopsFan2 on October 10, 2018, 01:04:41 AM
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Greg Elliot Will Be Out For Awhile:
I did not mean to jump the gun but this news will become official tomorrow at some time. I have it on good authority that this is true and it is a HUGE blow to the Men's program.
Greg completely tore the ligaments in between his thumb and forefinger and had two cortisone shots in the hand recently I am told. Those needles are long! Ouch...but that is a warrior for you. Played through it all last year but no need to do that again with the deeper team.
Greg re-injured his hand that he played hurt with all year and was poised to have a breakout year this year. It still can happen but it will take some time to come back and get back in game shape.
In hindsight maybe he should have had surgery at the end of the year like Sam Hauser and Ike Eke did with their own injuries, but it is what it is. There is some second-guessing that might come with that decision. . .
I feel bad for the kid but we will see how the team fares. Stay in good spirits GE and we will keep the lights on until you get back!
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Greg Elliot Will Be Out For Awhile:
I did not mean to jump the gun but this news will become official tomorrow at some time. I have it on good authority that this is true and it is a HUGE blow to the Men's program.
Greg completely tore the ligaments in between his thumb and forefinger and had two cortisone shots in the hand recently I am told. Those needles are long! Ouch...but that is a warrior for you. Played through it all last year but no need to do that again with the deeper team.
Greg re-injured his hand that he played hurt with all year and was poised to have a breakout year this year. It still can happen but it will take some time to come back and get back in game shape.
In hindsight maybe he should have had surgery at the end of the year like Sam Hauser and Ike Eke did with their own injuries, but it is what it is. There is some second-guessing that might come with that decision. . .
I feel bad for the kid but we will see how the team fares. Stay in good spirits GE and we will keep the lights on until you get back!
That's too bad. Was hoping to see him take a step forward this year. I thought he did have surgery on his hand at the end of last season?
At this point, if he's going to miss half the season anyway, and with our depth this year, maybe he should just redshirt.
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That's too bad. Was hoping to see him take a step forward this year. I thought he did have surgery on his hand at the end of last season?
At this point, if he's going to miss half the season anyway, and with our depth this year, maybe he should just redshirt.
Feel bad for him, but I know he is not one to sulk and feel sorry for himself. He will make the best of this situation, even if a redshirt is at hand..oops bad word choice. Kid is so smart and cool (FR chastising a SR early in the year for a dumb play), tough, and focused.
I am no stud athlete, but I can sympathize with the kid. Hand injuries suck. I once had an initial diagnosis of a torn ligament in my wrist from repetitive stress due to hitting 100s of golf balls a day on winter golf mats. But a dye test revealed it to be only severe tendonitis. I had two cortisone shots, which helped substantially, but I was still unable to make a full swing for months. It was the best thing that ever happened to my golf game, as I worked only on chipping and pitching for about 4 months, and got really proficient at saving par from almost anywhere.
I'd bet Greg is going to really work on aspects of his game not involving use of the hands. Wouldn't be surprised if his lower body develops and he really improves his foot speed. His mental game is already amazing, so l look for him to a be a vocal leader in huddles and coach on the bench. Be patient, Greg. This is a tiny blip in the timeline of your career.
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This is a bummer but likely leads to less frustration from at least one player.
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Greg Elliot Will Be Out For Awhile:
I did not mean to jump the gun but this news will become official tomorrow at some time. I have it on good authority that this is true and it is a HUGE blow to the Men's program.
Greg completely tore the ligaments in between his thumb and forefinger and had two cortisone shots in the hand recently I am told. Those needles are long! Ouch...but that is a warrior for you. Played through it all last year but no need to do that again with the deeper team.
Greg re-injured his hand that he played hurt with all year and was poised to have a breakout year this year. It still can happen but it will take some time to come back and get back in game shape.
In hindsight maybe he should have had surgery at the end of the year like Sam Hauser and Ike Eke did with their own injuries, but it is what it is. There is some second-guessing that might come with that decision. . .
I feel bad for the kid but we will see how the team fares. Stay in good spirits GE and we will keep the lights on until you get back!
Elliott actually had surgery before Sam did.
https://marquettewire.org/3989464/sports/offseason-gives-hauser-elliott-much-needed-recovery-time/
Ike had his in January.
No need to make a decision on his redshirt yet. 10 weeks still gets him back around the beginning of BE season.
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Not the news I was hoping to wake up to. I hope he has a speedy recovery.
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Awful news all around. For as deep as the team is generally considered to be, GE was 1 of only 3 scholarship guards available to play this year with McEwen sitting out and not counting the G/F’s. Not good at all.
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Please, please, please... Stop worrying about positions. There will be plenty of options available to fill spots on the court. Not saying that he won't be missed by any means, but I feel comfortable with both Sacar and Jamal guarding the perimeter.
The biggest problem with this is that if JC or MH get hurt, we don't have a great option to back up the point.
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Get well soon Greg. As others have said, there is no need to even consider a possible redshirt at this time. Greg will be out. When he's healthy, that decision can be revisited.
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Arg.
I think we’ll be fine. Safari can fill Greg’s shoes kinda. But guard was the spot I felt we couldn’t afford to go down a guy.
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You can never have too many guards. I love the attitude Greg brings. If he's back in 12 weeks (around New Year's) he'll have time to work himself back for the important games at the end, so I agree with those that say there is no rush to consider a redshirt. The main worry for me is that his hand may never be quite right, and that would be a terrible shame for the young man (and for us). Good luck for a quick recovery, Greg!
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Big blow if it is confirmed. Greg is our best defender IMHO. I was counting on having him in the lineup to lockup opponents on a hot streak. Concerned the improvement in defense won't be as steep as we need without him.
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I feel for Greg. Bad luck and worse timing. I won't be surprised if he just redhisrts now, though. He was a reasonable candidate for redshirt on the assumption he would be available for the whole year, and now that he may miss half the season anyway, he might as well take the redshirt year.
I don't see depth at guard being an issue at all. Knowing from this point on that one of Sam, Brendan, Sacar, or Jamal may be expected to bring the ball up at times gives them more time to work on that skillset. By the time conference play comes around, they will have adjusted. I also don't think we'll lose out too much on the defensive side. The same guys listed above (maybe not Sam as much) can fill the role Greg was expected to play, or maybe this just gives Sacar a few more minutes on the floor.
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Figurin' Crimmins will put him back together. I'm in da redshirt camp. 3 months in a cast sucks ass along with the atrophy and adhesions ta deal wit, hey?
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Do we have a Jimmy John's confirmation? Did Greg not order his usual, the Gargantuan, because he couldn't hold it?
Greg was our fourth guard. The roster has flexibility at the 2-3 position. Concerning that Greg and Ike have reinjured their surgically repaired issues (not because of rehab but that ortho injuries are just tricky...aka, body type prone like Joe Fulce). Take the time to heal.
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Really unfortunate to hear. Same hand for the injury he had surgically corrected. Greg has a bright future. Sometimes fate intervenes for the best of all parties. Talented as Greg is, PT may have been sparse for Greg this year.
No need to make the formal decision to redshirt Greg now, BUT it makes total sense in the event neither Markus nor Chartouney are injured at the time Greg is recovered from his 10-12 week rehab.
I see no need to pull a Junior Cadougan with Greg. Most all of us felt allocating PT and keeping everybody happy was going to be a real challenge for Wojo. Greg also would benefit greatly from a 5th year in the program to build his body up - so skinny (yet has the heart of a warrior.)
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Do we have a Jimmy John's confirmation? Did Greg not order his usual, the Gargantuan, because he couldn't hold it?
Greg was our fourth guard. The roster has flexibility at the 2-3 position. Concerning that Greg and Ike have reinjured their surgically repaired issues (not because of rehab but that ortho injuries are just tricky...aka, body type prone like Joe Fulce). Take the time to heal.
This might be a blessing in disguise right now as having 11 solid who seats, now it becomes a tad easier. This gives another lets say 20 minutes more for Bailey
Cain and Anim. Figuring both guards play 30 minutes, that is 30 for Chartonny at the point and 10 for Howard, then those 3 above can split the extra time at the
2 guard position. Opens things up.
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Sacar and Jamal now have an opportunity to play more. Injuries happen. Depth is essential.
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Is the good authority on being that this is true or that it’s a HUGE blow to the Men’s program? Because I’m skeptical on both.
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Hand injuries are so tricky; my husband had six surgeries on the same hand over 18 months and they still couldn't get it completely back to normal.
No need to "officially" redshirt Greg - he is a defacto redshirt until Wojo decides to put him in a game. I hope that happens, but if not, it would be good to have him around an extra year.
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I'm disappointed because Greg is one of my favorite players to watch. He brings an energy and infectious emotion that is hard to replicate. Hope he has a speedy recovery because I do think he can still play a big part on this team, though if it ended up letting us see another year of Elliott in 2021-22, I'm good with that too.
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Sad for Greg.....
For the team.....next man up.....we have depth.....Adapt.....No excuses.....
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Not to throw water on the fire, but Greg is on the Marquette Basketball Instagram stories, which were created yesterday but posted today.....in which both hands are clearly visible and neither are braced/taped in anyway which you would anticipate with a complete tear of ligaments. Not saying it's not true, just saying I'm not jumping off the roof just yet
Insta Trakka
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Not to throw water on the fire, but Greg is on the Marquette Basketball Instagram stories, which were created yesterday but posted today.....in which both hands are clearly visible and neither are braced/taped in anyway which you would anticipate with a complete tear of ligaments. Not saying it's not true, just saying I'm not jumping off the roof just yet
Insta Trakka
This is true
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This is true
I’ve seen those posts also. And in none of the posts are his right hand seen. (Atleast that I could more or recall)
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I’ve seen those posts also. And in none of the posts are his right hand seen. (Atleast that I could more or recall)
Same thing is true with JB
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Bummer if true.
But my redshirt choice was Greg before this news, and now it makes even more sense.
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Not to throw water on the fire, but Greg is on the Marquette Basketball Instagram stories, which were created yesterday but posted today.....in which both hands are clearly visible and neither are braced/taped in anyway which you would anticipate with a complete tear of ligaments. Not saying it's not true, just saying I'm not jumping off the roof just yet
Insta Trakka
There you go looking for hard evidence again. What are you, an engineer or something?
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It's true
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1050172483431751680?s=21
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Not to throw water on the fire, but Greg is on the Marquette Basketball Instagram stories, which were created yesterday but posted today.....in which both hands are clearly visible and neither are braced/taped in anyway which you would anticipate with a complete tear of ligaments. Not saying it's not true, just saying I'm not jumping off the roof just yet
Insta Trakka
Yeah but is he holding a newspaper with today's date
Edit: read the most recent post. It opens up the redshirt option, but I doubt he takes it. On ball minutes will be available since I doubt they want Markus on ball for considerable stretches
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Yeah but is he holding a newspaper with today's date
He's 20 years old. He has no idea what a newspaper is.
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Figurin' Crimmins will put him back together. I'm in da redshirt camp. 3 months in a cast sucks ass along with the atrophy and adhesions ta deal wit, hey?
"atrophy"? that's why they teach em to use both hands, eyn'a? :D
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Damn. Get well soon Greg. Was possibly the player I was most looking forward to watching this season. Love his defense and attitude.
8-12 weeks has him out to a minimum of early December. 12 weeks would be the entire non-conference and possibly 1 or 2 conference games. Definitely brings up the question of a redshirt. I doubt they make a decision until the injury is healed. But if we are playing well and haven't lost anybody else, I wouldn't be surprised to see them use a redshirt. While this is definitely sucky news, an extra year of Greg would be a nice silver lining. Kid has a lot of talent.
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Figurin' Crimmins will put him back together. I'm in da redshirt camp. 3 months in a cast sucks ass along with the atrophy and adhesions ta deal wit, hey?
Really tough blow for a great young man and the team. I am definitely in the red shirt camp as well. You are on point with the atrophy and adhesion issues he will have to deal with. By the time he is really ready to go , the season will be over.
Greg was going to be a very important part of our team this year. While we have a lot of depth , Greg brought a lot to the table in terms of what it takes to win at the Big East level.
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I think GE being out hurts a ton. Guard is the position where I think MU is thinnest. Open to debate I’m sure but here is a question, how much better can Sacar and Jamal get between now and the start of BE play? Right now MU does not have a PG that has proven himself. JC played well at Fordham and Marcus has worked hard to improve his PG skills but a lot of unknowns with regard to PG. I hope my concerns are unfounded. End of the day there is still a ton of talent on the roster. Feel bad for GE, Kid has moxy and talent. Save GE.....
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I think GE being out hurts a ton. Guard is the position where I think MU is thinnest. Open to debate I’m sure but here is a question, how much better can Sacar and Jamal get between now and the start of BE play? Right now MU does not have a PG that has proven himself. JC played well at Fordham and Marcus has worked hard to improve his PG skills but a lot of unknowns with regard to PG. I hope my concerns are unfounded. End of the day there is still a ton of talent on the roster. Feel bad for GE, Kid has moxy and talent. Save GE.....
It's not like Greg has proven himself as a starting PG in the BE. Markus and JC are both far more proven college point guards than GE.
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The question is whether Sacar, Jamal, Brendan, Sam, Joey can stay in front of a guard attacking the rack. Greg's absence will show up on defense more than offense. When Joe or Markus come out, will the assorted wings be able to shooting guards?
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It's not like Greg has proven himself as a starting PG in the BE. Markus and JC are both far more proven college point guards than GE.
JC and Marcus are “more” proven but not much on the shelf after those two and I think/thought GE would have been a possible answer now the choices as to who backs up JC and Marcus are limited. Still, I am optimistic.
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We can go back to the 18-19 minutes discussion but this pushes Markus above the 30 number for sure. What I see happening is Sacar sliding into the 3rd guard role playing 15 of his minutes at that position. This will seemingly decrease his minutes at the SF spot opening them up for guys like Cain, etc. We're okay now but this surely means that both Markus and Chartouny NEED to stay healthy the full season for us to maximize our potential. No decision will be made about a RS until we approach conference but an extended injury to either would force Wojo's hand.
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We're okay now but this surely means that both Markus and Chartouny NEED to stay healthy the full season for us to maximize our potential.
And they need to stay out of foul trouble. *looks at Markus*
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More zone?
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Now starting ay Point Center, Joey Hauser.
(que the folks who want to argue the JH won't play center)
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More zone?
But you have to give it a chance. so like 8-10 full games. Win or lose. Then you'll know if you can play zone.
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But you have to give it a chance. so like 8-10 full games. Win or lose. Then you'll know if you can play zone.
What are you talking about? Repetition and consistency are a waste of time in any endeavor. It is good to be manic, knee jerk, and inconsistent. A sure fire formula for success.
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What are you talking about? Repetition and consistency are a waste of time in any endeavor. It is good to be manic, knee jerk, and inconsistent. A sure fire formula for success.
Nice. Well played
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Bardo just said on the broadcast that Elliott will be back some time in December. Hadn't heard an updated timeline before. Hope it is true!
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So 8-12 weeks puts Greg back anywhere from last week to early January. Has there been any word from Wojo or the athletic department, that i may have missed, about when we can expect Greg back?
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So 8-12 weeks puts Greg back anywhere from last week to early January. Has there been any word from Wojo or the athletic department, that i may have missed, about when we can expect Greg back?
Greg was still wearing a plastic splint on Saturday.
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The title of this thread scared me when it re-appeared
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I really hope he can come back and contribute, for his sake as well as the team's. I love the competitiveness and toughness he showed last year, and have to say he has such a charismatic and likable personality in the social media the program puts out and in the in-game entertainment videos. Seems like a great guy to have in the program. Love his reaction in this picture from last weekend:
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The title of this thread scared me when it re-appeared
Exactly the same reaction!...no, not again!
But just an update....whew!
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Same. If you watch the scene in A Christmas Story when Ralphie's mom calls his friends mom to tell her what word her son taught Ralphie to say, you will have an accurate depiction of my reaction to seeing the thread title at the top of the page. WHAAAATTTTT!!!!!!
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If you want to see a great Greg moment, go back and rewatch the end of the UTEP game. There's a timeout shot of the huddle in which Greg in the background blowing on Cam's neck to mess with him while he's trying to listen.
I love players with a little personality, and goofy Greg is one of them!
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MUBB video up on Instagram of Greg Elliott practicing today. Hits a tough pull-up free throw line jumper over Sam. Doesn’t appear to be wearing anything over his thumb.
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MUBB video up on Instagram of Greg Elliott practicing today. Hits a tough pull-up free throw line jumper over Sam. Doesn’t appear to be wearing anything over his thumb.
Link? Couldn't find it
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Link? Couldn't find it
It's in the "story" part.
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It's in the "story" part.
I just learned I have no idea how to navigate instagram
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Still has a wrap in the hand. It’s just not blue like it used to be. More of a white/cream color. So yeah could be a good sign that the hard cast is off.
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It's a good sign that he is practicing.........can't play until you practice.....
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I would expect Greg to get a couple of minutes tomorrow night.
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MUBB video up on Instagram of Greg Elliott practicing today. Hits a tough pull-up free throw line jumper over Sam. Doesn’t appear to be wearing anything over his thumb.
Great. He’s shooting mid-range jumpers? We’re screwed.
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I just learned I have no idea how to navigate instagram
I have been good for a long time at not being able to navigate instagram.
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I would expect Greg to get a couple of minutes tomorrow night.
I dunno. Running scout with Koby and the walk-ons leads me to think he's sitting.
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MUBB video up on Instagram of Greg Elliott practicing today. Hits a tough pull-up free throw line jumper over Sam. Doesn’t appear to be wearing anything over his thumb.
Let me know when he's cleared to practice on Twitter.
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I would expect Greg to get a couple of minutes tomorrow night.
You hearing something eng?
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I would expect Greg to get a couple of minutes tomorrow night.
The Marquette game notes list him as "out" for tonight's game.