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Title: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: HouWarrior on September 22, 2018, 10:46:19 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24756686/glen-taylor-minnesota-timberwolves-ok-trading-jimmy-butler

If there is another thread pending on this I apologize. There seems to an interesting pro con issue to JFB wanting to leave.

Twolves seemed pretty good and on the rise...they gave my Rockets a good playoff tussle....so JFB...why not stay for a Twolve max contract, and enjoy wins/success where you are?

The teams JFB targets for a trade  seem odd. No1s are Clips and Knicks No 2 is Nets....all three can offer and sign him to a max contract next year...but JFB .....isnt it kind of early to go for max $ and the media markets of LA and NY to reap more  side cash/deals....esp given that none of these 3 look promising on the Court? Are you willing to trade a max contract (and personal "brand" growth) for a much lesser chance at winning in these towns?

I need help/insight from the board

Is this just a money grab, with little thought of getting a ring? Why has he soured on Minny? What are the back stories??

Thanks.
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: Floorslapper on September 22, 2018, 10:49:33 AM
I've read he and Karl Anthony Towns don't get along.  Also read a report today on Yardbarker that an NBA GM said Jimmy is "a problem."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/unnamed_nba_gm_on_jimmy_butler_39he_39s_a_problem_39/s1_12680_27313532?mb_edition=20180922

Seems Jimmy is evolving into that uber-driven, hard working, player - that for whatever reason continues to struggle to get buy-in from his teammates to follow his lead.
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 22, 2018, 10:52:04 AM
Nothin' iz free, itz included, hey?
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: LAZER on September 22, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
I've read he and Karl Anthony Towns don't get along.  Also read a report today on Yardbarker that an NBA GM said Jimmy is "a problem."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/unnamed_nba_gm_on_jimmy_butler_39he_39s_a_problem_39/s1_12680_27313532?mb_edition=20180922

Seems Jimmy is evolving into that uber-driven, hard working, player - that for whatever reason continues to struggle to get buy-in from his teammates to follow his lead.
That’s one way of looking at it
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: jsglow on September 22, 2018, 12:18:15 PM
I'll ask again.  Does Jimmy's 'heart' push an uber talented but somewhat underperforming Bucks team over the top?  He'd be a freakin' hero in Milwaukee if he led them to a series of deep playoff runs.
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: Cooby Snacks on September 22, 2018, 12:20:18 PM
I'll ask again.  Does Jimmy's 'heart' push an uber talented but somewhat underperforming Bucks team over the top?  He'd be a freakin' hero in Milwaukee if he led them to a series of deep playoff runs.

“Heart” doesn’t space the floor on offense, so I’d wager no.
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: wadesworld on September 22, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
Him and Kyrie will play together somewhere.

And it won’t end well.
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on September 22, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
Jimmy is a killer, Towns & Wiggins are soft. Oil & water.
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: LloydsLegs on September 22, 2018, 02:03:17 PM
I saw this topic, and I swear to god I thought it was about our other JayBee
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: jsglow on September 22, 2018, 02:05:31 PM
“Heart” doesn’t space the floor on offense, so I’d wager no.

That has been the argument.  But they haven't won a playoff series in 20 years so there's that.
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 22, 2018, 02:08:41 PM
I saw this topic, and I swear to god I thought it was about our other JayBee

Reverse "JB" and "Minny" in the thread title and you have your topic (nh)
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUfan12 on September 22, 2018, 02:36:26 PM
Jimmy needs to be the alpha. That's not happnin' while Giannis is here.
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 22, 2018, 04:57:35 PM
Jimmy needs to be the alpha. That's not happnin' while Giannis is here.

Absolutely love JFB...but if he keeps needing to be the alpha, he may retire without a ring.
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: Newsdreams on September 22, 2018, 07:11:19 PM
Jimmy needs to be the alpha. That's not happnin' while Giannis is here.
Don't think he needs to be the alpha but if he seed others not giving 100% and just going through the motions he is going to call them out. Plus this is ongoing on NBA thread he could really cash out in the free agent market. Minnesota wouldn't be able to match so it would be better for the Timberwolves to get something for him via trade.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GGGG on September 22, 2018, 07:16:35 PM
I think it is entirely possible that JFB goes out 100%, wants his teammates to do more....and is still an assh*le how he goes about it.  Look, I don't think he's a "diva," but he could just simply be difficult to work with.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: cheebs09 on September 22, 2018, 07:51:09 PM
Wolves just signed KAT to a huge contract. Some internet rumors suggesting JFB got a little too cozy with KAT’s girlfriend.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Newsdreams on September 22, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
Wolves just signed KAT to a huge contract. Some internet rumors suggesting JFB got a little too cozy with KAT’s girlfriend.
We are TMZ  :P
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 22, 2018, 09:20:12 PM
I think it is entirely possible that JFB goes out 100%, wants his teammates to do more....and is still an assh*le how he goes about it.  Look, I don't think he's a "diva," but he could just simply be difficult to work with.

That’s the sense I’ve gotten from what I have read. Tact and diplomacy apparently aren’t his strengths.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on September 22, 2018, 09:54:27 PM
I think it is entirely possible that JFB goes out 100%, wants his teammates to do more....and is still an assh*le how he goes about it.  Look, I don't think he's a "diva," but he could just simply be difficult to work with.

I love Jimmy. But he’s definitely a diva.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GGGG on September 22, 2018, 09:56:01 PM
I love Jimmy. But he’s definitely a diva.

Nope.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on September 22, 2018, 09:58:51 PM
Nope.

He’s been nothing but a diva in MN. It’s kinda sad. KAT and Wiggins aren’t cut from the same cloth, but Jimmy has gone about all this the wrong way.

Like I said, I love the guy. But as a wolves fan, pretty crapty the way he’s handled this.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GGGG on September 22, 2018, 10:01:19 PM
He’s been nothing but a diva in MN. It’s kinda sad. KAT and Wiggins aren’t cut from the same cloth, but Jimmy has gone about all this the wrong way.

Like I said, I love the guy. But as a wolves fan, pretty crapty the way he’s handled this.

Nah. He hasn’t been public in his criticisms. Doesn’t aire his grievances. He’s just difficult to please in the locker room.

Not a diva.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Benny B on September 22, 2018, 10:46:46 PM
Hard workers are divas in the eyes of the lazy.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on September 22, 2018, 11:15:21 PM
In asdition to KAT i have read that he doesnt like Wiigins n says they are both lazy and not committed to winning, but management is committed to them. So why stay.  Agree tho that the destinations are odd tho.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Herman Cain on September 22, 2018, 11:19:54 PM
In asdition to KAT i have read that he doesnt like Wiigins n says they are both lazy and not committed to winning, but management is committed to them. So why stay.  Agree tho that the destinations are odd tho.
This is professional basketball. Everything is about money. T Wolves just shelled out the super max for KAT. They have not been willing to do that for JFB. All the rest is posturing by the parties. The teams on JFB list are all poorly run historically and will be more likely to give him the money he wants.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: wadesworld on September 22, 2018, 11:26:45 PM
I don’t think many people get to be superstars at the absolute highest level of their profession by being lazy.

There’s more than one way to be a hard worker.

If Jimmy can’t figure that out the problem is probably more him than his teammates.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on September 23, 2018, 12:36:06 AM
This is professional basketball. Everything is about money. T Wolves just shelled out the super max for KAT. They have not been willing to do that for JFB. All the rest is posturing by the parties. The teams on JFB list are all poorly run historically and will be more likely to give him the money he wants.
The destinations are not odd because Jimmy does not really care about winning either. Yes he competes but he is getting clique prone.

He cares about rubbing elbows with the stars and it has got to his head. he wants L.A. because of that one actor he has befriended. and I guarantee you that he and Kyrie Irving will end up in L.A. or N.Y. or Brooklyn.

If either team can sign two max players...which the Clippers and Nets can... he's there
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUHoopsFan2 on September 23, 2018, 01:00:43 AM
That’s the sense I’ve gotten from what I have read. Tact and diplomacy apparently aren’t his strengths.
No no no....he had run-ins with the Bulls too. he is a diva. Nothing wrong with that if you can back it up and lead by example and win which the T'Wolves did and made the playoffs didn't they?

Jimmy is a rag to riches kind of self-made no-name player that came out of nowhere which we all know very well and bust his tail to make it. But for some guys who did not expect this kind of rise and the success it HAS GONE TO HIS HEAD.

This is not a knock. For better or for worse it has affected how he rubs off bad on teammates that have not taken the road like him.

He thinks everyone is like him and came up like him and should work like him. And if you do not do things like him then he has an issue. I think he is insecure of being the man that takes the blame and accountability and is growing as a leader.

He will be best playing with two other great players, not being the #1 guy 
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on September 23, 2018, 02:05:07 AM
No no no....he had run-ins with the Bulls too. he is a diva. Nothing wrong with that if you can back it up and lead by example and win which the T'Wolves did and made the playoffs didn't they?

Jimmy is a rag to riches kind of self-made no-name player that came out of nowhere which we all know very well and bust his tail to make it. But for some guys who did not expect this kind of rise and the success it HAS GONE TO HIS HEAD.

This is not a knock. For better or for worse it has affected how he rubs off bad on teammates that have not taken the road like him.

He thinks everyone is like him and came up like him and should work like him. And if you do not do things like him then he has an issue. I think he is insecure of being the man that takes the blame and accountability and is growing as a leader.

He will be best playing with two other great players, not being the #1 guy

LOL Jimmy is a top 10-15 player how is he gonna team up with 2 players better than him
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GGGG on September 23, 2018, 06:29:20 AM
No no no....he had run-ins with the Bulls too. he is a diva. Nothing wrong with that if you can back it up and lead by example and win which the T'Wolves did and made the playoffs didn't they?

Jimmy is a rag to riches kind of self-made no-name player that came out of nowhere which we all know very well and bust his tail to make it. But for some guys who did not expect this kind of rise and the success it HAS GONE TO HIS HEAD.

This is not a knock. For better or for worse it has affected how he rubs off bad on teammates that have not taken the road like him.

He thinks everyone is like him and came up like him and should work like him. And if you do not do things like him then he has an issue. I think he is insecure of being the man that takes the blame and accountability and is growing as a leader.

He will be best playing with two other great players, not being the #1 guy 


This is a poor take all the way around. 
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUDPT on September 23, 2018, 06:43:39 AM
Wolves were in 3rd place in January last year in a loaded West, before JFB went down with an injury.  This is about $$$. Minnesota can only offer him 4 years $110 million if they didn't renegotiate his contract for this season.  Minnesota did.  If he stays, he can sign with Minnesota for 5, $188 million or sign for another team for 4, $139 million.  If you don't think you will stay after this season, of course you ask for a trade, or risk losing that extra $40 million guaranteed.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 23, 2018, 07:32:27 AM
LOL Jimmy is a top 10-15 player how is he gonna team up with 2 players better than him

Yeah because top players have never teamed up to make super teams especially not in this era
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MU82 on September 23, 2018, 09:14:15 AM
Huge Jimmy fan, of course, as we all are. However ...

If Jimmy cared about winning more than anything, he wouldn't worry about maximizing every last dollar and he would do what Wade did in 2010 -- sacrifice a little (not a lot) to get some of the best talent in the world together in a quest to win championships.

If you want to go to LA, don't go to the Clippers, where you will NEVER win. Go to the Lakers. Join forces with LeBron, get surrounded by great shooters, and make a serious run at a title.

Or go to Houston. Or go to Golden State. Or go to Toronto. Or, for that matter, go to the Bucks.

I don't know Jimmy well enough to know if he is a "diva," but this is a diva-ish trend.

Maybe Jimmy really doesn't care about winning a ring and he only cares about being the top dog and making lots of money. I guess that's OK if he's honest about it. Just don't claim it's "all about winning" and then go to Brooklyn or the Clippers.


Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GB Warrior on September 23, 2018, 09:35:41 AM
Huge Jimmy fan, of course, as we all are. However ...

If Jimmy cared about winning more than anything, he wouldn't worry about maximizing every last dollar and he would do what Wade did in 2010 -- sacrifice a little (not a lot) to get some of the best talent in the world together in a quest to win championships.

If you want to go to LA, don't go to the Clippers, where you will NEVER win. Go to the Lakers. Join forces with LeBron, get surrounded by great shooters, and make a serious run at a title.

Or go to Houston. Or go to Golden State. Or go to Toronto. Or, for that matter, go to the Bucks.

I don't know Jimmy well enough to know if he is a "diva," but this is a diva-ish trend.

Maybe Jimmy really doesn't care about winning a ring and he only cares about being the top dog and making lots of money. I guess that's OK if he's honest about it. Just don't claim it's "all about winning" and then go to Brooklyn or the Clippers.

As a fanboy, I'd love to see Jimmy back in Milwaukee. But any trade would have to include Middleton and every inch of draft capital. That plus Jimmy's pending draft capital tells me there's no ROI there. Of course Jimmy is better than Middleton, but does a team centered around Jimmy and Giannis and ???? Get you anything? And once you have space for more talent after bad contracts are gone, does anyone of consequence want to play with Jimmy?

This reader says no, and it's a great example of how the bucks have pissed away a generational talent...
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: wadesworld on September 23, 2018, 10:15:11 AM
Middleton’s a better fit for the Bucks. Better shooter. Less vocal. Needs the ball in his hands less.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Pakuni on September 23, 2018, 10:49:55 AM
Huge Jimmy fan, of course, as we all are. However ...

If Jimmy cared about winning more than anything, he wouldn't worry about maximizing every last dollar and he would do what Wade did in 2010 -- sacrifice a little (not a lot) to get some of the best talent in the world together in a quest to win championships.

If you want to go to LA, don't go to the Clippers, where you will NEVER win. Go to the Lakers. Join forces with LeBron, get surrounded by great shooters, and make a serious run at a title.

Or go to Houston. Or go to Golden State. Or go to Toronto. Or, for that matter, go to the Bucks.

I don't know Jimmy well enough to know if he is a "diva," but this is a diva-ish trend.

Maybe Jimmy really doesn't care about winning a ring and he only cares about being the top dog and making lots of money. I guess that's OK if he's honest about it. Just don't claim it's "all about winning" and then go to Brooklyn or the Clippers.

On the other hand .... the teams Jimmy has said he'd willing to sign long-term with (Nets, Clips, Knicks) will have cap space next season to sign TWO max contract players. And besides Jimmy, next season's free-agent crop includes Durant, Kawhi, Cousins, Irving and Klay Thompson.
So, thinking long-term, Jimmy wants to go to a team that can add him and another all-star and be competitive for several years.
Let's say that team is the Clips and they can land Kawhi, Cousins or Kyrie. Does a team with Jimmy and one of those guys have the talent to compete? I'd think so.   
Jimmy's playing chess and y'all playing checkers.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUBurrow on September 23, 2018, 11:50:56 AM
I don’t think many people get to be superstars at the absolute highest level of their profession by being lazy.

There’s more than one way to be a hard worker.

If Jimmy can’t figure that out the problem is probably more him than his teammates.

This is the correct take.  Just because JFB makes sure that everyone knows how hard he is working doesn't mean that his teammates aren't pulling their weight.  He can make a show about working hard all he wants, and a lot of folks will jump on the bandwagon and assume that means anyone who doesn't agree with him just aren't willing to work hard enough - but he's playing in a league with 25-40 year old men with families and both older and younger generations to provide for. If he can't take step back and mature as a leader to realize that there have to be dimensions to leading other than "being a first in, last out" kind of guy that makes sure everyone hears the keys to the gym jangling on his key ring, he's going to keep having these problems.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: 🏀 on September 23, 2018, 12:40:46 PM
JFB has maximizing his potential value as a #1 priority.

You can either like it or not, but it's been no secret that is his career goal.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GooooMarquette on September 23, 2018, 02:24:04 PM
JFB has maximizing his potential value as a #1 priority.

You can either like it or not, but it's been no secret that is his career goal.

No question, and I suspect he will cash in on that potential. Very well deserved.

That said, accomplishing his career goal may prevent him from winning any rings.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUBurrow on September 23, 2018, 03:04:42 PM
JFB has maximizing his potential value as a #1 priority.

You can either like it or not, but it's been no secret that is his career goal.

Do you mean economically or basketball-wise?
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MU82 on September 23, 2018, 05:42:43 PM
On the other hand .... the teams Jimmy has said he'd willing to sign long-term with (Nets, Clips, Knicks) will have cap space next season to sign TWO max contract players. And besides Jimmy, next season's free-agent crop includes Durant, Kawhi, Cousins, Irving and Klay Thompson.
So, thinking long-term, Jimmy wants to go to a team that can add him and another all-star and be competitive for several years.
Let's say that team is the Clips and they can land Kawhi, Cousins or Kyrie. Does a team with Jimmy and one of those guys have the talent to compete? I'd think so.   
Jimmy's playing chess and y'all playing checkers.

That's a fair take, and time will tell if it's the right one.

To answer your question, yes, a Jimmy/Durant combo could definitely contend for a title. Not sure about any of the other combos, though.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: 🏀 on September 23, 2018, 08:15:58 PM
Do you mean economically or basketball-wise?

Economically. He's likely tanking his basketball value to basketball hell, unless he's building a superteam.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on September 23, 2018, 08:22:45 PM
How is it not considered an admirable personal challenge to try to take a moribund franchise like the Clippers or Nets to heights their fans have never seen? If I was a player, giving that a shot would be way cooler/more satisfying than joining a super team or storied franchise like the Lakers or Celtics. Jimmy's making another big bet on himself, I hope it pays off again.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MU82 on September 23, 2018, 09:00:41 PM
How is it not considered an admirable personal challenge to try to take a moribund franchise like the Clippers or Nets to heights their fans have never seen? If I was a player, giving that a shot would be way cooler/more satisfying than joining a super team or storied franchise like the Lakers or Celtics. Jimmy's making another big bet on himself, I hope it pays off again.

EFR, we agree on most things, but that is not the sense I get from what Jimmy is trying to accomplish. I allow that I could be wrong.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on September 23, 2018, 09:08:53 PM
EFR, we agree on most things, but that is not the sense I get from what Jimmy is trying to accomplish. I allow that I could be wrong.

I could also be wrong! But Jimmy seems to use the underdog narrative to fuel his fire, and with a list like with that I get the sense that he wants to put himself in a position to be counted out/questioned/overlooked and see how good he can make himself. The upside to a scenario like that is you make yourself an immortal icon to a franchise if you deliver (and cash $190mm worth of paychecks in the process).
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: WarriorFan on September 24, 2018, 04:52:47 AM
I really think he missed a chance to control the message.  "I'm ready to rebuild".  "I'm ready to help build a team".  "I want to be part of the next dynasty."  "I can't do it alone, so I'm looking for a place that can pick up another top 15 player".  A little bit of "it's not about the money, it's about building a winner" would also help. 

Not a JFB hater... actually a huge fan of what he's achieved and who he is - AND of his game.  There are only 10-15 guys in the NBA who go their hardest every play.  We're lucky to have one of them - Giannis - on the bucks.  Many of the others are role players or specialists like JJ Reddick.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GGGG on September 24, 2018, 07:46:04 AM
I really think he missed a chance to control the message.  "I'm ready to rebuild".  "I'm ready to help build a team".  "I want to be part of the next dynasty."  "I can't do it alone, so I'm looking for a place that can pick up another top 15 player".  A little bit of "it's not about the money, it's about building a winner" would also help. 

Not a JFB hater... actually a huge fan of what he's achieved and who he is - AND of his game.  There are only 10-15 guys in the NBA who go their hardest every play.  We're lucky to have one of them - Giannis - on the bucks.  Many of the others are role players or specialists like JJ Reddick.


To be fair, we really don't understand his motivations other than he doesn't want to be in Minnesota.  It's not as though he is out there trashing the organization, his teammates, etc.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: burger on September 24, 2018, 08:22:07 AM
The issue is $$$.....

You gives Townes the "super max" contract......and try to sign Butler on the cheap.....

Jimmy is not gong to play with a player who "may" deserve the SuperMax contract down the road where as Jimmy deserves that SuperMax now.....

That would piss me off too.....

Especially when Townes and Wiggins are pretty lazy and don't care if they win or lose.....
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: rocket surgeon on September 24, 2018, 08:31:59 AM
I love Jimmy. But he’s definitely a diva.

i don't think so-read a really nice article on him in ?, sports illustrated, i think.  he really is a simple guy, a really rich and talented simple guy.  i think he drives around in a mini-van or something, but the article by no means painted him as anything close to a diva
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GGGG on September 24, 2018, 08:40:35 AM
Especially when Townes and Wiggins are pretty lazy and don't care if they win or lose.....


What evidence is there that they don't care if they win or lose???
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MU82 on September 24, 2018, 09:44:16 AM
I could also be wrong! But Jimmy seems to use the underdog narrative to fuel his fire, and with a list like with that I get the sense that he wants to put himself in a position to be counted out/questioned/overlooked and see how good he can make himself. The upside to a scenario like that is you make yourself an immortal icon to a franchise if you deliver (and cash $190mm worth of paychecks in the process).

Jimmy should appreciate this generous characterization! And hey, it could very well be true.

As others have said, not a single one of us know what his motivation truly is. We're all speculating, and that includes me. I do see how it's easy to perceive him as a diva given all of this.

None of it really matters to me, anyway; he'll always be one of my all-time fave Warriors.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Newsdreams on September 24, 2018, 12:43:00 PM
Per ESPN owner wants him traded by tomorrow.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: brewcity77 on September 24, 2018, 12:45:16 PM
Per ESPN owner wants him traded by tomorrow.

Nothing like handcuffing your GM into making the best bad deal you can find on a short timetable.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: cheebs09 on September 24, 2018, 12:45:47 PM
Delly and Henson for JFB. Let’s go Horst.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUBurrow on September 24, 2018, 02:24:35 PM
Nothing like handcuffing your GM into making the best bad deal you can find on a short timetable.

If this is the route he's committed to, Glen Taylor should really just pull the plug on Thibs now, too.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MU82 on September 24, 2018, 02:28:28 PM
Hornets will give Biyombo and Batum for Butler right now! Throw in a side of Bacon, too ... and we all know how everybody loves Bacon!!!
Title: Re: JB wants out of Minny
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 24, 2018, 03:01:43 PM
I've read he and Karl Anthony Towns don't get along.  Also read a report today on Yardbarker that an NBA GM said Jimmy is "a problem."

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/unnamed_nba_gm_on_jimmy_butler_39he_39s_a_problem_39/s1_12680_27313532?mb_edition=20180922

Seems Jimmy is evolving into that uber-driven, hard working, player - that for whatever reason continues to struggle to get buy-in from his teammates to follow his lead.

Or, perhaps, he's become a selfish malcontent.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 24, 2018, 03:06:48 PM
i don't think so-read a really nice article on him in ?, sports illustrated, i think.  he really is a simple guy, a really rich and talented simple guy.  i think he drives around in a mini-van or something, but the article by no means painted him as anything close to a diva

you mean besides the boom box fish tank, thousands of shoes and $4.95 million dollar, 10,000 square foot mansion for one person to live?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chicagoinc/ct-jimmy-butler-fish-tank-chicago-inc-spt-0713-20170712-story.html

Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 24, 2018, 03:11:51 PM
you mean besides the boom box fish tank, thousands of shoes and $4.95 million dollar, 10,000 square foot mansion for one person to live?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chicagoinc/ct-jimmy-butler-fish-tank-chicago-inc-spt-0713-20170712-story.html

To be fair even high schoolers have thousands of dollars worth of shoes now.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: oldwarrior81 on September 24, 2018, 03:57:43 PM
Miami could be a good landing place.
Teaming up with D-Wade for his last go around.

They have some nice young pieces including Justise Winslow and Dion Waiters.  Maybe even Whiteside.

I would guess Pat Riley believes once they got Jimmy to South Beach they could convince him to stay.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: tower912 on September 24, 2018, 04:32:05 PM
Put him on Phillie and they make the East finals against Boston.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: HouWarrior on September 24, 2018, 05:32:55 PM
This is a pretty good run down of JFB trade possibilities. :
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24753362/zach-lowe-trade-market-minnesota-timberwolves-jimmy-butler

Check out your fav team options.

In Hou....Tomball is a far NW suburb of Houston and we'd be happy to see JFB return here. Then, Melo would come off the bench. The trade described of Eric Gordon ,M Chrisse, and unprotected pick from Hou to Minny is fair...not sure on the other trade described....as it would be nice to try to hang on to PJ Tucker ....to us he is key
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUBurrow on September 24, 2018, 05:39:22 PM
How is it not considered an admirable personal challenge to try to take a moribund franchise like the Clippers or Nets to heights their fans have never seen? If I was a player, giving that a shot would be way cooler/more satisfying than joining a super team or storied franchise like the Lakers or Celtics.

JB's specifics aside, I do generally agree with this, and have thought since The (first) Decision that the Knicks are the best mix of market, franchise history, and chance to become sports immortal of any franchise in sports.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MU82 on September 24, 2018, 07:10:27 PM
This is a pretty good run down of JFB trade possibilities. :
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24753362/zach-lowe-trade-market-minnesota-timberwolves-jimmy-butler

Check out your fav team options.

In Hou....Tomball is a far NW suburb of Houston and we'd be happy to see JFB return here. Then, Melo would come off the bench. The trade described of Eric Gordon ,M Chrisse, and unprotected pick from Hou to Minny is fair...not sure on the other trade described....as it would be nice to try to hang on to PJ Tucker ....to us he is key

That's an interesting article, hou, thanks for the link.

This jumped out at me in talking about Butler to Philly:

Butler is a career 34 percent shooter from deep. Is he really the best fit next to Simmons and Embiid?

I think that could be an issue -- and maybe should be an issue -- for some teams. For example, look at Houston. Gordon is a career 38% distance shooter who has been as high as 45% in a season and can get ridiculously hot over long stretches. Would losing his ability to balance the court hurt more than Jimmy's all-around game would help? I'm not saying that would be the case, but it's at least something teams no doubt will be thinking about.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: burger on September 25, 2018, 07:50:44 AM

What evidence is there that they don't care if they win or lose???

Have the NBA package.....Watched probably 20 Wolves games.....They are lazy.....

Also take a look at the record with and without Butler .600 vs .500ish....so average.....

All the Wolves have done with the Wiggins and Townes contract is guarantee mediocrity.....They will never see Top 3 in the west without Butler with Townes and Wiggins.....

And down the road.....No one will touch that Wiggins contract.....
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MU82 on September 25, 2018, 08:32:20 AM
Have the NBA package.....Watched probably 20 Wolves games.....They are lazy.....

Also take a look at the record with and without Butler .600 vs .500ish....so average.....

All the Wolves have done with the Wiggins and Townes contract is guarantee mediocrity.....They will never see Top 3 in the west without Butler with Townes and Wiggins.....

And down the road.....No one will touch that Wiggins contract.....

I haven't seen enough Wolves games and practices to know about the work habits of Townes and/or Wiggins, so I can't comment about that.

However, I do agree with the rest of your post. Probably not enough talent there even with Jimmy to seriously challenge the Warriors and Rockets. Without Jimmy, no chance. And I totally agree about the Wiggins contract. Terrible.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Jockey on September 25, 2018, 10:32:59 AM
The issue is $$$.....

You gives Townes the "super max" contract......and try to sign Butler on the cheap.....

Jimmy is not gong to play with a player who "may" deserve the SuperMax contract down the road where as Jimmy deserves that SuperMax now.....

That would piss me off too.....

Especially when Townes and Wiggins are pretty lazy and don't care if they win or lose.....

NM
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on September 25, 2018, 01:35:03 PM
Have the NBA package.....Watched probably 20 Wolves games.....They are lazy.....

Also take a look at the record with and without Butler .600 vs .500ish....so average.....

All the Wolves have done with the Wiggins and Townes contract is guarantee mediocrity.....They will never see Top 3 in the west without Butler with Townes and Wiggins.....

And down the road.....No one will touch that Wiggins contract.....

.....lol......20 games of your NBA package taught you that....???

It is Towns by the way.......

In all seriousness, the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy (obviously).  Wiggins contact extension, while only a season old, isn't looking great (obviously).  But KAT is one of the best young players in the league, even though he struggles defensively, like many big men do in their early NBA careers.  Wiggins is immensely talented, but has struggled with consistency - but it is far to early to write him off completely. 

Jimmy banged KAT's girl, which lead to an ugly break up. That is what this is all about.  Its an episode of reality tv right now.  I love Jimmy, and always will.  But he's being a total b*tch about the situation. And KAT, while also kind of a b*tch, somewhat understandably doesn't want Jimmy around.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Newsdreams on September 25, 2018, 02:17:18 PM
.....lol......20 games of your NBA package taught you that....???

It is Towns by the way.......

In all seriousness, the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy (obviously).  Wiggins contact extension, while only a season old, isn't looking great (obviously).  But KAT is one of the best young players in the league, even though he struggles defensively, like many big men do in their early NBA careers.  Wiggins is immensely talented, but has struggled with consistency - but it is far to early to write him off completely. 

Jimmy banged KAT's girl, which lead to an ugly break up. That is what this is all about.  Its an episode of reality tv right now.  I love Jimmy, and always will.  But he's being a total b*tch about the situation. And KAT, while also kind of a b*tch, somewhat understandably doesn't want Jimmy around.
Photos?
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: burger on September 25, 2018, 04:43:59 PM
.....lol......20 games of your NBA package taught you that....???

It is Towns by the way.......

In all seriousness, the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy (obviously).  Wiggins contact extension, while only a season old, isn't looking great (obviously).  But KAT is one of the best young players in the league, even though he struggles defensively, like many big men do in their early NBA careers.  Wiggins is immensely talented, but has struggled with consistency - but it is far to early to write him off completely. 

Jimmy banged KAT's girl, which lead to an ugly break up. That is what this is all about.  Its an episode of reality tv right now.  I love Jimmy, and always will.  But he's being a total b*tch about the situation. And KAT, while also kind of a b*tch, somewhat understandably doesn't want Jimmy around.

I did not know about Jimmy banging a girlfriend......Depends if it was a serious one or part of NBA "groupie" contingent.....

Probably either way......Would have been good to stay away.....

Just ask Shady McCoy.....
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Pakuni on September 25, 2018, 05:10:32 PM
I did not know about Jimmy banging a girlfriend......Depends if it was a serious one or part of NBA "groupie" contingent.....

Probably either way......Would have been good to stay away.....

Just ask Shady McCoy.....

KAT replied to a Tweet about this claim with the following:

😂😂😂 #FakeNews
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 25, 2018, 05:23:41 PM
.....lol......20 games of your NBA package taught you that....???

It is Towns by the way.......

In all seriousness, the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy (obviously).  Wiggins contact extension, while only a season old, isn't looking great (obviously).  But KAT is one of the best young players in the league, even though he struggles defensively, like many big men do in their early NBA careers.  Wiggins is immensely talented, but has struggled with consistency - but it is far to early to write him off completely. 

Jimmy banged KAT's girl, which lead to an ugly break up. That is what this is all about.  Its an episode of reality tv right now.  I love Jimmy, and always will.  But he's being a total b*tch about the situation. And KAT, while also kind of a b*tch, somewhat understandably doesn't want Jimmy around.

That seems about as reputable as the Patrick sharp banged Duncan Keith's wife.

Though then again delonte west got Mamma Lebron in the bedroom so I guess anything can happen
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Jay Bee on September 25, 2018, 05:46:56 PM
That seems about as reputable as the Patrick sharp banged Duncan Keith's wife.

Though then again delonte west got Mamma Lebron in the bedroom so I guess anything can happen

Interesting language about women there, bud.

#TheRighteousHypocrites
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 25, 2018, 06:28:01 PM
How is it not considered an admirable personal challenge to try to take a moribund franchise like the Clippers or Nets to heights their fans have never seen? If I was a player, giving that a shot would be way cooler/more satisfying than joining a super team or storied franchise like the Lakers or Celtics. Jimmy's making another big bet on himself, I hope it pays off again.

Is it about "turning around" those franchises or identifying who has the room for a max contract after next season. I'm going with the latter. He's about the money just as most other pro athletes are regardless of where he went to school.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: rocket surgeon on September 25, 2018, 07:22:50 PM
you mean besides the boom box fish tank, thousands of shoes and $4.95 million dollar, 10,000 square foot mansion for one person to live?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chicagoinc/ct-jimmy-butler-fish-tank-chicago-inc-spt-0713-20170712-story.html

In all fairness to ME, either SI didn’t report about those “extras”,  or my wait time for my docs appointment didn’t allow me to get to that part.  The tribune isn’t bitter about jimmy not having fun in chitown err anything though, eyn’er?   4.95 million for 10 k sq ft is a guest house compared to many.  Thousands of chews?  Imelda Marcos is chuckling.  The chicks dig fish tank boomboxes ;)
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: real chili 83 on September 25, 2018, 08:28:44 PM
.....lol......20 games of your NBA package taught you that....???

It is Towns by the way.......

In all seriousness, the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy (obviously).  Wiggins contact extension, while only a season old, isn't looking great (obviously).  But KAT is one of the best young players in the league, even though he struggles defensively, like many big men do in their early NBA careers.  Wiggins is immensely talented, but has struggled with consistency - but it is far to early to write him off completely. 

Jimmy banged KAT's girl, which lead to an ugly break up. That is what this is all about.  Its an episode of reality tv right now.  I love Jimmy, and always will.  But he's being a total b*tch about the situation. And KAT, while also kind of a b*tch, somewhat understandably doesn't want Jimmy around.

He’d fit well on the Clippers

3...2...1
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 25, 2018, 09:35:09 PM
Interesting language about women there, bud.

#TheRighteousHypocrites

What language? I didn't make a mockery of a sexual assault of any kind. I did not call the women from the allegations any names that would be construed as sexist. Widdling away at slang my post says there was a rumor two consenting adults had sex that seemed false and that there was a rumor two other consenting adults had sex thus who knows if the rumor a third pair of consenting adults actually had sex.

#falseequivelency #seeyouinhell #DoYouRealiseHashTagsNoMattaOnScoop
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: JWags85 on September 25, 2018, 10:28:26 PM
In all fairness to ME, either SI didn’t report about those “extras”,  or my wait time for my docs appointment didn’t allow me to get to that part.  The tribune isn’t bitter about jimmy not having fun in chitown err anything though, eyn’er?   4.95 million for 10 k sq ft is a guest house compared to many.  Thousands of chews?  Imelda Marcos is chuckling.  The chicks dig fish tank boomboxes ;)

Jimmy also has a loyal friend group including manager and trainer that I imagine live with him.  But lets def house shame and decide that doesn't make him humble.  800 sq ft studio in Humboldt Park or he's a diva.

Also, Jimmy is Jordan Brand, and when you sign with Jordan, they send you a pair of every Jordan made.  D Wade posted a picture of a spare bedroom filled with what they sent when he did the same.

Is Jimmy the same dude as he was at Marquette?  For sure not.  But is he some spoiled brat cause he's actually enjoying the $90MM deal he signed?  Sheesh.

And as with all contentious front office dealings, there is PR leaks from both sides to push a narrative.  The truth is usually in the middle.  Lets hope he finds a landing spot he's happy with as MU's most visible BB alum for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUBurrow on September 26, 2018, 10:15:39 AM
I don't think this is tied to JFB's success, economically or on the court. He's earned all he's gotten (and will get in the next contract) and I don't think it has changed him for the worse.  No need to #successshame him.

The question is whether Jimmy will continue to change in the ways he needs to in order to become a 30-year old franchise leader and cornerstone.  Right now, he's still trying to lead like the captain of a high school team, and its causing a lot of his older and younger teammates to roll their eyes at him. If he actually wants his teams to improve, he's got to learn the subtlety of reaching men that play ball for a living.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on September 26, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
That seems about as reputable as the Patrick sharp banged Duncan Keith's wife.

Though then again delonte west got Mamma Lebron in the bedroom so I guess anything can happen

Some people that know far more about the Wolves and their interworkings say it is true.  I certainly can't confirm it, but it makes a ton of sense. 
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 26, 2018, 12:14:51 PM
In all fairness to ME, either SI didn’t report about those “extras”,  or my wait time for my docs appointment didn’t allow me to get to that part.  The tribune isn’t bitter about jimmy not having fun in chitown err anything though, eyn’er?   4.95 million for 10 k sq ft is a guest house compared to many.  Thousands of chews?  Imelda Marcos is chuckling.  The chicks dig fish tank boomboxes ;)

I'm not criticizing him for his lifestyle (I think it's extreme and unnecessary but to each his own), though I do think hoarding shoes is ridiculous when so many others could use them, but that's just me. I'm just saying he's not some "humble" guy when it comes to spending.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on September 26, 2018, 12:58:58 PM
I'm not criticizing him for his lifestyle (I think it's extreme and unnecessary but to each his own), though I do think hoarding shoes is ridiculous when so many others could use them, but that's just me. I'm just saying he's not some "humble" guy when it comes to spending.

Pretty much any pro athlete and most wealthy people that are younger have an enormous selection of shoes. 
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Skip Intro on September 26, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
I'm not criticizing him for his lifestyle (I think it's extreme and unnecessary but to each his own), though I do think hoarding shoes is ridiculous when so many others could use them, but that's just me. I'm just saying he's not some "humble" guy when it comes to spending.

I think Jimmy learned a lot from Buzz when it came to playing up the humble, hard-working "country boy" schtick.  It helped Buzz build his brand, and has with Jimmy too.  Jimmy's not driving around in minivan for practicality purposes - he's doing it so people will talk about him driving around in a minivan. 

Like others, I love Jimmy's game and what he did/has done for MU.  But I can see how his approach might get old for his teammates over time. 
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 26, 2018, 03:59:14 PM
I'm not criticizing him for his lifestyle (I think it's extreme and unnecessary but to each his own), though I do think hoarding shoes is ridiculous when so many others could use them, but that's just me. I'm just saying he's not some "humble" guy when it comes to spending.

"I'm not criticizing him for his extreme, unnecessary and ridiculous lifestyle". Really? Could have fooled me.
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: GGGG on September 26, 2018, 04:14:13 PM
"I'm not criticizing him for his extreme, unnecessary and ridiculous lifestyle". Really? Could have fooled me.

Especially since it doesn't sound that extravagant compared to some athletes. 
Title: Re: JFB wants out of Minny
Post by: MUBurrow on September 27, 2018, 11:08:19 AM
If this is the route he's committed to, Glen Taylor should really just pull the plug on Thibs now, too.

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Teams pursuing Butler remain skeptical of Thibodeau's desire to execute a trade, believing that he's making counterproposals that Thibodeau knows teams will never accept."  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24811508/timberwolves-asking-price-holding-jimmy-butler-trade