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Title: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on September 12, 2018, 12:23:18 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/evaluating-mike-krzyzewskis-future-at-duke-and-the-top-5-candidates-to-one-day-replace-coach-k/
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: The Lens on September 12, 2018, 12:36:52 PM
A 3rd grader wrote that article.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: tower912 on September 12, 2018, 12:54:22 PM
I think most Scoopers have recognized that as a strong possibility since the beginning of the Wojo era. 
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: DCHoopster on September 12, 2018, 12:58:22 PM
I think most Scoopers have recognized that as a strong possibility since the beginning of the Wojo era.

He might be a hot name in 2 years, hope I am right. 
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: warriorjoe on September 12, 2018, 01:01:13 PM
After Duke wins Coach K's sixth national title in April, the Duke AD will ask Coach K for a recommendation. He will try not to play favorites with any of his former players and/or assistants. However, I don't see the job going to someone from the Coach K coaching tree, but someone like Brad Stevens of the Celtics.

Go Warriors!
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: 79Warrior on September 12, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
After Duke wins Coach K's sixth national title in April, the Duke AD will ask Coach K for a recommendation. He will try not to play favorites with any of his former players and/or assistants. However, I don't see the job going to someone from the Coach K coaching tree, but someone like Brad Stevens of the Celtics.

Go Warriors!

Those shoes will be awfully big to fill. While the allure of Duke is compelling, following a true legend is extremely challenging. Maybe the correct path is let the successor fail then step in to "save the program".
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: GGGG on September 12, 2018, 01:32:56 PM
After Duke wins Coach K's sixth national title in April, the Duke AD will ask Coach K for a recommendation. He will try not to play favorites with any of his former players and/or assistants. However, I don't see the job going to someone from the Coach K coaching tree, but someone like Brad Stevens of the Celtics.

Go Warriors!


I have no idea why people keep bringing up Brad Stevens. 

a. He has a job.
2. He's been quite successful at that job.
c. He didn't like recruiting while at Butler
4. He has no connections to Duke.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: brewcity77 on September 12, 2018, 01:38:42 PM

I have no idea why people keep bringing up Brad Stevens. 

a. He has a job.
2. He's been quite successful at that job.
c. He didn't like recruiting while at Butler
4. He has no connections to Duke.

Brad Stevens is one of the most secure coaches in the NBA. He's not trading that in. The only reason people ever mention him is because he's clean cut and white.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Nukem2 on September 12, 2018, 01:50:18 PM
Those shoes will be awfully big to fill. While the allure of Duke is compelling, following a true legend is extremely challenging. Maybe the correct path is let the successor fail then step in to "save the program".
Following a legend is hard.  See Hank Raymonds.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 12, 2018, 01:51:02 PM

I have no idea why people keep bringing up Brad Stevens. 

a. He has a job.
2. He's been quite successful at that job.
c. He didn't like recruiting while at Butler
4. He has no connections to Duke.

5. He's holding out for the Wisconsin job if for some crazy reason Popovich doesn't take it.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: muwarrior69 on September 12, 2018, 01:51:38 PM
Coach K couldn't close the deal with Nico at Duke, what make anyone think Wojo could close deal at Duke.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: wadesworld on September 12, 2018, 03:38:37 PM
Mike White
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2018, 03:46:14 PM
5. He's holding out for the Wisconsin job if for some crazy reason Popovich doesn't take it.

This, for sure.

Stevens will not leave the Celtics for a college job. And yes, that was intentionally framed as a factual statement, not an opinion.

(OK, it's really only an opinion, but it's a strong freakin' opinion.)

If Wojo and his Boyz take care of bizness these next two years, and that's also when K hangs it up, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Wojo leave for Duke. I'd rather it not happen, but it would be 100% understandable, and I would wish him well.

If Wojo and his Boyz underperform these next two years, Wojo would be a harder sell at Duke (or anywhere else), and he probably should be on the hot seat at MU.

If Wojo and his Boyz succeed and he wants to stay because he realizes MU is a hell of a place to run a program, that wouldn't stun me, either.

 
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Babybluejeans on September 12, 2018, 04:01:32 PM
Let's say Wojo has a great two years here (Sweet Sixteen or beyond) and then is offered Duke. It comes down to a pretty simple threshold question: does he truly believe he can win multiple national championships at Marquette?

If not --> hegowne.

If so --> a coin flip between staying or going.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: brewcity77 on September 12, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
Let's say Wojo has a great two years here (Sweet Sixteen or beyond) and then is offered Duke. It comes down to a pretty simple threshold question: does he truly believe he can win multiple national championships at Marquette?

If not --> hegowne.

If so --> a coin flip between staying or going.

What if he won a national title in 2020? Do we think winning it all would make it more or less likely he would stay? It would certainly increase the pressure Duke would apply, but would also give him more of a tangible connection to this program.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: MUBigDance on September 12, 2018, 04:09:02 PM
What if he won a national title in 2020? ...
Then he runs for President.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: brewcity77 on September 12, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
Then he runs for President.

I'd vote for him over Lovell.

Oh...not that president. That said, I think on paper, 2020 looks like our best shot at a national title since 2014 (before Vander left & we experienced a collective throwing up on our shoes season).
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: texaswarrior74 on September 12, 2018, 04:15:05 PM
After Duke wins Coach K's sixth national title in April, the Duke AD will ask Coach K for a recommendation. He will try not to play favorites with any of his former players and/or assistants. However, I don't see the job going to someone from the Coach K coaching tree, but someone like Brad Stevens of the Celtics.

Go Warriors!

I’d take that bet. K has done less with more the last few years than any coach in America and since Capel$ left the staff his recruiting of top ten talent has also fallen off.

They will go outside the coaching tree because K has far too much power and the administration wants to change that culture. And I agree, no former assistant wants to fill those shoes....
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: mu03eng on September 12, 2018, 04:18:05 PM
If Wojo is the #1 Duke pick, that's a good thing because it means he earned it by doing great things here. Wojo will have reasons to stay and reasons to go so I'm not gonna sweat it and enjoy the ride that comes with Wojo building his Duke resume by getting to the FF this year and a NC next year  ;D
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: brewcity77 on September 12, 2018, 04:24:11 PM
I think on paper, 2020 looks like our best shot at a national title since 2014 (before Vander left & we experienced a collective throwing up on our shoes season).

Jeez...looking back at what might have been and what I thought coming into the year...

PG: Vander Blue Future NBA player with a solid defender in Derrick Wilson backing him up.
SG: Todd Mayo Proven player ready to break out with top-35 Jajuan Johnson backing him up.
SF: Jamil Wilson 10/5 high-efficiency guy with a decent Juan Anderson backing him up.
PF: Jamaal McKay JUCO All-American with high efficiency Steve Taylor backing him up.
C: Davante Gardner Proven scorer and two-headed center monster with Chris Otule.

The rest of the bench was supposed to be the freshman trio of Deonte Burton, Duane Wilson, and John Dawson. Man I thought we had a shot at cutting down nets. Instead Bucky went to the first of back-to-back Final Fours and we fell headfirst into the crapper.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on September 12, 2018, 04:25:10 PM
I’d take that bet. K has done less with more the last few years than any coach in America and since Capel$ left the staff his recruiting of top ten talent has also fallen off.

They will go outside the coaching tree because K has far too much power and the administration wants to change that culture. And I agree, no former assistant wants to fill those shoes....
This is Capel's 1st year at Pitt after leaving, how did K's recruiting drop already?
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 12, 2018, 04:30:08 PM
Instead Bucky went to the first of back-to-back Final Fours and we fell headfirst into the crapper.

That was the one time Buzz flushed on his own.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: brewcity77 on September 12, 2018, 04:34:03 PM
This is Capel's 1st year at Pitt after leaving, how did K's recruiting drop already?

Their 2018 class was fantastic, but they haven't landed any 2019 commits and are on the outside looking in of guys like James Wiseman, Armando Bacot, Bryan Antoine, and Nico Mannion. They are Duke, so it's too early to say they won't still end up with a top-2 recruiting class, but I can understand why there's some concern around their 2019 recruiting efforts.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: MomofMUltiples on September 12, 2018, 04:34:31 PM
This is Capel's 1st year at Pitt after leaving, how did K's recruiting drop already?

He lost Nico, didn't he?  
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: texaswarrior74 on September 12, 2018, 05:05:46 PM
Also lost Antoine who everyone said was a lock to duke. Lost Bacot (who grew up a duke fan) to UNC.

Additionally several others that they were considered to be strong leaders for have either failed to commit (after almost two years of having an offer) or have added more official visits to what had once been a short list.

The moderators at The Devils Den (Their fan site) are getting very concerned and are now talking about who K can talk into reclassifying to fill the class.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: avid1010 on September 12, 2018, 08:03:39 PM
Chance wojo doesn't take the Duke job if offered...0% 
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Jockey on September 12, 2018, 08:15:07 PM
A 3rd grader wrote that article.

My favorite line was "Wojciechowski starred at Duke, where he played from 1994-98 and earned the moniker "Wojo."


Think about that for a minute. He had to live almost 20 years before some genius thought up the nickname "Wojo".
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 12, 2018, 08:16:42 PM
Brad Stevens is one of the most secure coaches in the NBA. He's not trading that in. The only reason people ever mention him is because he's clean cut and white.

First, that's 2 reasons, not one. Second, it's BS. There are plenty of clean cut white guys coaching basketball who aren't mentioned. He's mentioned because a) it's a top job and b) he's a top coach.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 12, 2018, 08:17:58 PM
My favorite line was "Wojciechowski starred at Duke, where he played from 1994-98 and earned the moniker "Wojo."


Think about that for a minute. He had to live almost 20 years before some genius thought up the nickname "Wojo".

And he had to EARN it, dammit!
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: GGGG on September 12, 2018, 08:28:27 PM
First, that's 2 reasons, not one. Second, it's BS. There are plenty of clean cut white guys coaching basketball who aren't mentioned. He's mentioned because a) it's a top job and b) he's a top coach.

Picture of Lennys

(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg)
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: real chili 83 on September 12, 2018, 08:37:48 PM
Picture of Lennys

(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg)

So, you and Brew are saying Duke is racist.

#stirringthepot
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: alexius23 on September 12, 2018, 08:46:20 PM
If offered the job....how could he possibly turn it down? Even more tha Crean to Indiana this would be an elite job. Thankless perhaps ....but a huge jump up from MU
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 12, 2018, 08:48:16 PM
Picture of Lennys

(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg)

If he had his head up his ass....
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: brewcity77 on September 12, 2018, 08:57:20 PM
So, you and Brew are saying Duke is racist.

#stirringthepot

No, I'm not saying that about Duke at all.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: real chili 83 on September 12, 2018, 09:11:56 PM
No, I'm not saying that about Duke at all.

No need to respond. I was gigging you. 👍
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: MomofMUltiples on September 12, 2018, 09:51:33 PM
If offered the job....how could he possibly turn it down? Even more tha Crean to Indiana this would be an elite job. Thankless perhaps ....but a huge jump up from MU

I think if Wojo has any sense of basketball coaching history, he'll turn it down in a heartbeat.  Historically, coaches following legends just haven't done that well, unless they have their own long and successful coaching history.  Quick, who were the coaches that followed Lute Olson, Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, Al McGuire (ok, most of you know that one)?  Exactly!  Assuming that Duke thinks he has had the experience and success sufficient to take over the "elite" Blue Devils, why would Wojo want to take the job?  Especially if he's building something nice at Marquette.  The pressure to perform will be enormous, the probability of failure will be high - maybe there will be some success in the first year with K's old recruits (Tubby Smith...), if they decide to stay around rather than hitching their star to another elite coach.

Wojo is simply the most convenient answer to this question.  K's long term assistant, blah, blah, blah, Duke pedigree, blah blah blah.  My bet is that when the time comes, Duke will be looking for a proven name to replace K, and that name won't be Wojciechowski. 

ETA:  This is not to say I think Wojo will never coach at Duke.  After his 3rd natty at Marquette, and K's successor craps the bed, he'll accept the Duke job.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Loose Cannon on September 12, 2018, 09:59:45 PM
I think if Wojo has any sense of basketball coaching history, he'll turn it down in a heartbeat.  Historically, coaches following legends just haven't done that well, unless they have their own long and successful coaching history.  Quick, who were the coaches that followed Lute Olson, Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, Al McGuire (ok, most of you know that one)?  Exactly!  Assuming that Duke thinks he has had the experience and success sufficient to take over the "elite" Blue Devils, why would Wojo want to take the job?  Especially if he's building something nice at Marquette.  The pressure to perform will be enormous, the probability of failure will be high - maybe there will be some success in the first year with K's old recruits (Tubby Smith...), if they decide to stay around rather than hitching their star to another elite coach.

Wojo is simply the most convenient answer to this question.  K's long term assistant, blah, blah, blah, Duke pedigree, blah blah blah.  My bet is that when the time comes, Duke will be looking for a proven name to replace K, and that name won't be Wojciechowski.

I Agree with this analysis.  I think when Coach CC was here he commented that he wouldn't be surprised if Wojo turned the Duke job down. 
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 12, 2018, 10:07:36 PM
I Agree with this analysis.  I think when Coach CC was here he commented that he wouldn't be surprised if Wojo turned the Duke job down.

Who is Coach CC?
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on September 12, 2018, 10:11:04 PM
Assuming Wojo has success at MU in the coming years I think he pulls a "Roy Williams" and turns down his alma mater the first time.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Loose Cannon on September 12, 2018, 10:12:15 PM
Who is Coach CC?

Chris Carrawell
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2018, 10:19:51 PM
I wonder what Krzyewski did to earn the moniker "Coach K."
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: The Lens on September 12, 2018, 10:23:02 PM
Does the Duke AD have any past connections to successful basketball coaches? 
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: dgies9156 on September 12, 2018, 10:40:47 PM
Here we go again.

Anytime we get a whiff of success, we automatically assume our coach is going elsewhere.

I've said it in the past and I'll say it again -- the Duke job is one of the most prestigious in basketball. They'll have their pick of anyone not coaching at the University of North Carolina. To assume the top candidate must be of the Coach K tree is folly. Surely the powers that be at Duke will consider the Coach K tree, but they also will consider just about anyone else they think might have a high probability of maintaining Duke as a College Basketball Blue Blood.

The road is littered with former elite programs that had coaching miscues along the way. Some, like Indiana, Marquette, Georgetown, etc., have struggled. Some like North Carolina fixed the errors of their ways while others, like UCLA, have been in and out and in national prominence. The financial implications of losing blue blood status are SO Great that most rational schools will take their time and look wherever they can to find the right leader for their basketball program.

Bottom line: If Coach K decides to hang it up and we're a Top 10 or Top 5 team, I'm sure Coach Wojo will be considered. Duke would be folly not to consider and Coach Wojo would be nuts not to listen. But a lot of you are assuming at that point he'll want to leave. There's no guarantee that if he's built something here, that if Doctor Lovell and our university make him happy and the program is humming, he might not just stay for the duration.

Don't sell us short, especially if we continue to build, we hit the Top 10 or Top 5 and we're putting 17,000 a night in the Computing Castle.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Loose Cannon on September 12, 2018, 10:46:00 PM
Does the Duke AD have any past connections to successful basketball coaches?

The only thing I know is Duke AD Kevin White's son Mike White is the current Gator coach  with stops at LA Tech, Old Miss and Jackson State.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: The Lens on September 12, 2018, 11:04:47 PM
The only thing I know is Duke AD Kevin White's son Mike White is the current Gator coach  with stops at LA Tech, Old Miss and Jackson State.

Or Billy Donovan?

Who I have been saying for 10 years should be the next Duke coach. 
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: MomofMUltiples on September 12, 2018, 11:06:04 PM
I could see someone like Jay Wright being offered the job. And don’t tell me he’s already at his destination. People said the same about Chris Mack.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2018, 11:18:07 PM
I could see someone like Jay Wright being offered the job. And don’t tell me he’s already at his destination. People said the same about Chris Mack.

How many national titles did Mack win at X?

Wright doesn't have to leave Nova to win titles and to make big coin.

Mack had to leave X to have a shot at titles and to make big money.

Not saying Wright wouldn't leave -- none of us know any of this crud -- but what I just said is truth.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: willie warrior on September 13, 2018, 06:54:31 AM
Here we go again.

Anytime we get a whiff of success, we automatically assume our coach is going elsewhere.

I've said it in the past and I'll say it again -- the Duke job is one of the most prestigious in basketball. They'll have their pick of anyone not coaching at the University of North Carolina. To assume the top candidate must be of the Coach K tree is folly. Surely the powers that be at Duke will consider the Coach K tree, but they also will consider just about anyone else they think might have a high probability of maintaining Duke as a College Basketball Blue Blood.

The road is littered with former elite programs that had coaching miscues along the way. Some, like Indiana, Marquette, Georgetown, etc., have struggled. Some like North Carolina fixed the errors of their ways while others, like UCLA, have been in and out and in national prominence. The financial implications of losing blue blood status are SO Great that most rational schools will take their time and look wherever they can to find the right leader for their basketball program.

Bottom line: If Coach K decides to hang it up and we're a Top 10 or Top 5 team, I'm sure Coach Wojo will be considered. Duke would be folly not to consider and Coach Wojo would be nuts not to listen. But a lot of you are assuming at that point he'll want to leave. There's no guarantee that if he's built something here, that if Doctor Lovell and our university make him happy and the program is humming, he might not just stay for the duration.

Don't sell us short, especially if we continue to build, we hit the Top 10 or Top 5 and we're putting 17,000 a night in the Computing Castle.
Hope you are not referrin to last year as a "whiff of success"
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: avid1010 on September 13, 2018, 07:11:17 AM
Here we go again.

Anytime we get a whiff of success, we automatically assume our coach is going elsewhere.

I've said it in the past and I'll say it again -- the Duke job is one of the most prestigious in basketball. They'll have their pick of anyone not coaching at the University of North Carolina. To assume the top candidate must be of the Coach K tree is folly. Surely the powers that be at Duke will consider the Coach K tree, but they also will consider just about anyone else they think might have a high probability of maintaining Duke as a College Basketball Blue Blood.

The road is littered with former elite programs that had coaching miscues along the way. Some, like Indiana, Marquette, Georgetown, etc., have struggled. Some like North Carolina fixed the errors of their ways while others, like UCLA, have been in and out and in national prominence. The financial implications of losing blue blood status are SO Great that most rational schools will take their time and look wherever they can to find the right leader for their basketball program.

Bottom line: If Coach K decides to hang it up and we're a Top 10 or Top 5 team, I'm sure Coach Wojo will be considered. Duke would be folly not to consider and Coach Wojo would be nuts not to listen. But a lot of you are assuming at that point he'll want to leave. There's no guarantee that if he's built something here, that if Doctor Lovell and our university make him happy and the program is humming, he might not just stay for the duration.

Don't sell us short, especially if we continue to build, we hit the Top 10 or Top 5 and we're putting 17,000 a night in the Computing Castle.
agree with the fact that duke can land a better coach....think of a list of coaches you believe duke could land and then tell me how many you would trade for wojo. 

don't agree with the "don't sell us short"...we aren't duke.  that's silly.  the better argument would be to not sell wojo short.  always an outside chance he goes the jay wright, mark few, etc... route...
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: brewcity77 on September 13, 2018, 07:19:05 AM
No need to respond. I was gigging you. 👍

I know...I should've added the hashtag #grabsthespoonandstirsfaster
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Class71 on September 13, 2018, 08:36:46 AM
Gosh we might be getting a little ahead of ourselves

1) First let's see if  Wojo has a few great seasons.

2) let's hear about coach k's retirement.

3) let's remember Duke will want proven success before replacing a great coach.

Can it happen sure but if it does it will be because Marquette has once again become a national power. I can live with that.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: GGGG on September 13, 2018, 08:37:25 AM
I think if Wojo has any sense of basketball coaching history, he'll turn it down in a heartbeat.  Historically, coaches following legends just haven't done that well, unless they have their own long and successful coaching history.  Quick, who were the coaches that followed Lute Olson, Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, John Wooden, Adolph Rupp, Al McGuire (ok, most of you know that one)?  Exactly!  Assuming that Duke thinks he has had the experience and success sufficient to take over the "elite" Blue Devils, why would Wojo want to take the job?  Especially if he's building something nice at Marquette.  The pressure to perform will be enormous, the probability of failure will be high - maybe there will be some success in the first year with K's old recruits (Tubby Smith...), if they decide to stay around rather than hitching their star to another elite coach.

Wojo is simply the most convenient answer to this question.  K's long term assistant, blah, blah, blah, Duke pedigree, blah blah blah.  My bet is that when the time comes, Duke will be looking for a proven name to replace K, and that name won't be Wojciechowski. 

ETA:  This is not to say I think Wojo will never coach at Duke.  After his 3rd natty at Marquette, and K's successor craps the bed, he'll accept the Duke job.


See Roy Williams and North Carolina.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: GGGG on September 13, 2018, 08:40:58 AM
How many national titles did Mack win at X?

Wright doesn't have to leave Nova to win titles and to make big coin.

Mack had to leave X to have a shot at titles and to make big money.

Not saying Wright wouldn't leave -- none of us know any of this crud -- but what I just said is truth.

Why did Mack have to leave X to have a shot at titles?  There is nothing preventing Xavier from winning a national title.  Building a program takes time and effort like Wright has done at Nova.

Not that I fault him for leaving for Louisville, but he didn't have to leave.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Its DJOver on September 13, 2018, 08:41:16 AM
Don't you think that we're overreacting just a bit here.  I understand that Crean leaving was pretty out of left field, and Buzz's constant flirting with the entire state of Texas didn't help, but I have yet to see a credible source indicate that Wojo had been targeted for any other job, much less the Duke job.  Anytime anyone writes an article that references the K coaching tree people on here freak out.  There are way too many unknown's at this point to even list, so until some of those unknown's are known, starting a new thread every time someone writes an article that mentions that Wojo is a former Duke player/coach is really pointless. 
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: TheGym on September 13, 2018, 08:41:35 AM
Following a legend is hard.  See Hank Raymonds.

Agreed, Bill Guthridge at UNC is another example.  It will be interesting to see how Duke handles any transition.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: dgies9156 on September 13, 2018, 08:56:16 AM
Hope you are not referrin to last year as a "whiff of success"

No I am not. Last year was a disappointment.

I am referring to the success we are having on the recruiting trail (so far, based on the team's current composition), the expectations and the feeling that we've probably turned the corner from the debris field caused by the Hillbilly's departure.

We shall see. If we regreess, then I don't think he's going anywhere.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on September 13, 2018, 09:36:32 AM
Agreed, Bill Guthridge at UNC is another example.  It will be interesting to see how Duke handles any transition.

Bill Guthridge did fine and was always positioned as the transition (not the perm coach)....It was Doherty that was the disaster.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: GGGG on September 13, 2018, 09:40:24 AM
Bill Guthridge did fine and was always positioned as the transition (not the perm coach)....It was Doherty that was the disaster.


Doherty wasn't good, but he got f*cked by Guthridge's inability on the recruiting trail.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on September 13, 2018, 09:59:14 AM

Doherty wasn't good, but he got f*cked by Guthridge's inability on the recruiting trail.

Maybe true but his personality and interaction with the donors did not buy him any extra time to turn things around.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Golden Avalanche on September 13, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
I could see someone like Jay Wright being offered the job. And don’t tell me he’s already at his destination. People said the same about Chris Mack.

Uninformed people perhaps.

Mack has coveted the Louisville gig for at least the last three years. Open secret within the X administration.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: #UnleashSean on September 13, 2018, 10:40:28 AM
This was why I didn't like the hire to begin with. He either performs very well and we maybe see an elite 8 or so if we get a run, and he leaves for Duke, then were stuck in the same position for the third time since 08. Or he is complete crap and is fired within 6 years. I know theres a middle ground of him being competent but not great, but I want titles.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 13, 2018, 10:47:11 AM
I don't think people within Duke's administration would agree with the rankings on this list.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: GGGG on September 13, 2018, 10:55:24 AM
This was why I didn't like the hire to begin with. He either performs very well and we maybe see an elite 8 or so if we get a run, and he leaves for Duke, then were stuck in the same position for the third time since 08. Or he is complete crap and is fired within 6 years. I know theres a middle ground of him being competent but not great, but I want titles.


You should never hire an employee because you think he'll stick around a long time.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Herman Cain on September 13, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/evaluating-mike-krzyzewskis-future-at-duke-and-the-top-5-candidates-to-one-day-replace-coach-k/
I think the above was a is a solid research report. It does however, make the assumption that the replacement coach will be someone with Duke ties.  When the time comes Duke will find the best qualified coach for the job and it will be a coach who has gotten his team deep into the tournament many times.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: 79Warrior on September 13, 2018, 11:23:03 AM
I could see someone like Jay Wright being offered the job. And don’t tell me he’s already at his destination. People said the same about Chris Mack.

Nope. Jay has had his opportunities and decided to stay at Nova. He loves it there. He is not going anywhere.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 13, 2018, 11:39:07 AM
Nope. Jay has had his opportunities and decided to stay at Nova. He loves it there. He is not going anywhere.

This he's even rejected the 76ers if I remember correctly
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: fjm on September 13, 2018, 02:01:08 PM
Come ooooon gang. Didn’t yall see the quotes from the athletic article? Wojo basically said this is an forever job.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: avid1010 on September 13, 2018, 02:14:55 PM
This was why I didn't like the hire to begin with. He either performs very well and we maybe see an elite 8 or so if we get a run, and he leaves for Duke, then were stuck in the same position for the third time since 08. Or he is complete crap and is fired within 6 years. I know theres a middle ground of him being competent but not great, but I want titles.

so for the hiring committee to take that into account...they need to know when K plans to retire...how soon wojo can turn around a bit of a tough situation...and then know how good wojo has to do at mu in order for duke to consider him.  on top of that they have to be sure that they don't stand a chance at keeping him if duke opens up (imho, they don't), and then they have to deal with the fact that damn near every other coach has ties to a different school...that a coach might leave for...but not have to do as well as wojo would have to do in order to get that offer.  slim pick'ins

Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: ttheisen on September 13, 2018, 02:17:26 PM
Thought put into this thread by scoopers > thought put into original article
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 13, 2018, 02:22:47 PM
Catch 22 of being a non destination, non blue blood:a coach's amount of success is directly correlated to the likelihood of him leaving. Some exceptions, not many - coaches are by nature ambitious.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 13, 2018, 02:30:27 PM
Catch 22 of being a non destination, non blue blood:a coach's amount of success is directly correlated to the likelihood of him leaving. Some exceptions, not many - coaches are by nature ambitious.

On the other hand, the grass is not usually always greener. 
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Newsdreams on September 13, 2018, 02:33:46 PM
Catch 22 of being a non destination, non blue blood:a coach's amount of success is directly correlated to the likelihood of him leaving. Some exceptions, not many - coaches are by nature ambitious.
This could be made into a differential equation
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Its DJOver on September 13, 2018, 02:35:13 PM
Catch 22 of being a non destination, non blue blood:a coach's amount of success is directly correlated to the likelihood of him leaving. Some exceptions, not many - coaches are by nature ambitious.

Another aspect to consider is how well the coach is liked by the fans.  I get the feeling that Mark Few could string together 3-4 sup-par year and still have tremendous support from the fanbase.  Jamie Dixon was not treated nearly as well, despite having tremendous success.  Decided he didn't want to deal with it, (his alma mater calling helped), left, and now Pitt is a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: MU82 on September 13, 2018, 03:12:58 PM
Why did Mack have to leave X to have a shot at titles?  There is nothing preventing Xavier from winning a national title.  Building a program takes time and effort like Wright has done at Nova.

Not that I fault him for leaving for Louisville, but he didn't have to leave.

OK, in the spirit of compromise, I'll say "had to leave" could be construed as an exaggeration.

Xavier has never come close to sniffing a title. Zero FFs in school history. But sure, maybe he could have built X the same way Jay built Nova. I allow that was a possibility.

Still, Louisville's track record is a little better, according to sources.

This was why I didn't like the hire to begin with. He either performs very well and we maybe see an elite 8 or so if we get a run, and he leaves for Duke, then were stuck in the same position for the third time since 08. Or he is complete crap and is fired within 6 years. I know theres a middle ground of him being competent but not great, but I want titles.

This is pretty silly.

If we hired Shaka, he would have been guaranteed to stay forever and ever and ever?

Howland? Martin? Any "name" coach?

Illinois had two successful coaches willing to stay forever and ever -- Henson and Weber. As soon as things turned bad for each of them, each was banished from Urbana.

That's life in big-time college hoops.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: brewcity77 on September 13, 2018, 07:36:19 PM
On the other hand, the grass is not usually always greener.

If Wojo does win big, I think one of the biggest factors in his decision could be Tom Crean. His comments at the 100th and his career track after leaving has to be something Wojo would consider.

There's no guarantee of equaling your success at a new destination and no guarantee you'll ever get back to this kind of job.
Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on September 14, 2018, 01:30:55 AM
If Wojo does win big, I think one of the biggest factors in his decision could be Tom Crean. His comments at the 100th and his career track after leaving has to be something Wojo would consider.

There's no guarantee of equaling your success at a new destination and no guarantee you'll ever get back to this kind of job.

Likewise with the experience of KO. Even well before Wojo had an opportunity to take this stuff to heart, Chris Carawell hinted that people would be surprised at Wojo's career designs. That he is the definition of a guy who wants to make his own mark. Hell, his creation of an elite OFFENSE flies in the face of expectations, given his defensive DNA.

Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on September 14, 2018, 01:42:20 AM
Chance wojo doesn't take the Duke job if offered...0%

#Time of Offer Matta

2019.............100%


2025...
            after K successor(A) is fired.........40%

2028...
            after K(B) resigns.....................25%

2035... K(C).........................................10%  (but doubts are creeping in after MU has now won its 8th National Title)  ;)


Title: Re: CBS Sports article on Coach K's replacement: Wojo #1 on list
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 14, 2018, 02:48:21 AM
I believe it comes down to the seccuess he sees this year and next. If we see a third weekend appearance I believe he might stick to build his own legend here.

If he tops out with occasional second weekend and keeps gettin Grimmed (perhaps mannioned TBD) then I could see him leaving the way Crean and Buzz did after Shumptert and Matthews seemingly were the final straws showing them they'd never get to the next level of recruiting.