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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: The Lens on August 16, 2018, 11:47:50 AM
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/24304931/defending-national-champion-villanova-wildcats-lead-big-east-2018-19-season (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/24304931/defending-national-champion-villanova-wildcats-lead-big-east-2018-19-season)
Some great lines including:
St. John's is an enigma, and Georgetown needs to learn how to win games. Are you convinced by any of those teams on paper? Put Villanova at No. 1 and DePaul at No. 10, and the rest will play itself out.
On us they were more than fair, it comes down to defense.
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Got us 2nd
Nice
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That defense is why i think people calling for a top 15 team are making a potentially huge miscalculation. Just two years, we had haanif at point, (capable defender). jj on the wing (again more than capable), luke in the middle with shot blocking ability, and Katin on the wing, good size n decent athleticism. That team was putrid on defense just horrible. So im not sure whats to say that this years defense is any better at all.
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Got us 2nd
Nice
I truly believe if we finish second in the Big East this year we will be right around a 4 seed in the NCAAs
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That defense is why i think people calling for a top 15 team are making a potentially huge miscalculation. Just two years, we had haanif at point, (capable defender). jj on the wing (again more than capable), luke in the middle with shot blocking ability, and Katin on the wing, good size n decent athleticism. That team was putrid on defense just horrible. So im not sure whats to say that this years defense is any better at all.
No defender on that team was as good as JC is likely to be. JJ was not a capable defender despite what his steal numbers were. As you pointed out at quite literally every possible time, Luke was a bad PNR defender, despite having decent athleticism, Katins defense and rebounding numbers were not as good as one would have hoped from a grad transfer with his size. That team also had the dueling midgets that were our downfall last year.
I don't think that we will have an elite defense, but with how good our offense should still be, if we can have a top 150 defense, we should end the year in the top 25.
P.S. coming out now and saying that Luke was good, after the constant criticism that you gave him really just makes you look like a constant pessimist.
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That defense is why i think people calling for a top 15 team are making a potentially huge miscalculation. Just two years, we had haanif at point, (capable defender). jj on the wing (again more than capable), luke in the middle with shot blocking ability, and Katin on the wing, good size n decent athleticism. That team was putrid on defense just horrible. So im not sure whats to say that this years defense is any better at all.
Haanif didn't play point on our team 2 years ago. Markus & Rowsey did, occasionally Duane but he played very limited minutes. JJ was always a poor defender who gambled for steals. He got slightly better as a senior at staying home, but was still not a plus defender. And Luke was great in a zone where he could stay in place and block shots, but never did well in man, when he had to defend in space, or on switches.
I'm also not convinced the defense will be as good as we hope this year, but using 2 years ago as the benchmark why is a mistake. JC is better than anyone we had at the point, our current wing defenders like Cain, Elliott, & Sam are better than JJ defensively, and both Theo & Matt are better defenders in this scheme than Luke.
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That defense is why i think people calling for a top 15 team are making a potentially huge miscalculation. Just two years, we had haanif at point, (capable defender). jj on the wing (again more than capable), luke in the middle with shot blocking ability, and Katin on the wing, good size n decent athleticism. That team was putrid on defense just horrible. So im not sure whats to say that this years defense is any better at all.
jjj was horrible defensively. My guess is that he currently resides somewhere in Barcelona in a bullfighting right. Luke was almost as bad.
jjj got steals; Luke got blocks. That is not playing good defense.
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BE should be fun. Nova had a great recruiting class and I like Gillespie, but I think they lose at least 5 games in league play. That leaves things wide open.
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luke in the middle with shot blocking ability
Yes, we can't possibly be as good or better at D this season because we no longer have the guy you proclaimed to be the worst center in the history of basketball.
Too funny.
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NOW, he appreciates Luke?! What a joke!
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JJJ was an enigma on defense. He actually was an excellent defender in most aspects but was historically bad at defending spot up jumpers...like bottom 5% of all division 1 bad. Some of that is just bad luck, shooters making shots, but some of it was his tendency to check out on defense. I still remember the Providence game where the huddle cam showed Wojo telling the team that Jalen Lindsey is a shooter and to stay in his pocket. Literally the next possession, Lindsey had the ball and JJJ was a few feet off him with his hands down. Lindsey nailed the shot.
Luke was a terrible post defender. Katin was solid, probably the second best defender on that team after Sam. Duane's defense was consistently overrated, was one of the worst on the team.
If you want to compare the two teams as individual defenders, this is how I would personally rank it:
1: SR Chartouny > FR Howard
2: JR Howard < SO Cheatham
3: JR S Hauser > SR Reinhardt
4: JR Morrow = FR Hauser
5: SR Heldt > SR Fischer
B1: FR J Hauser > JR Rowsey
B2: JR Anim > SO Heldt
B3: SO Elliott > JR Duane
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JJJ was an enigma on defense. He actually was an excellent defender in most aspects but was historically bad at defending spot up jumpers...like bottom 5% of all division 1 bad. Some of that is just bad luck, shooters making shots, but some of it was his tendency to check out on defense. I still remember the Providence game where the huddle cam showed Wojo telling the team that Jalen Lindsey is a shooter and to stay in his pocket. Literally the next possession, Lindsey had the ball and JJJ was a few feet off him with his hands down. Lindsey nailed the shot.
Luke was a terrible post defender. Katin was solid, probably the second best defender on that team after Sam. Duane's defense was consistently overrated, was one of the worst on the team.
If you want to compare the two teams as individual defenders, this is how I would personally rank it:
1: SR Chartouny > FR Howard
2: JR Howard < SO Cheatham
3: JR S Hauser > SR Reinhardt
4: JR Morrow = FR Hauser
5: SR Heldt > SR Fischer
B1: FR J Hauser > JR Rowsey
B2: JR Anim > SO Heldt
B3: SO Elliott > JR Duane
Katin wa solid....what planet were you on........??
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Katin wa solid....what planet were you on........??
Second best defender on the team. His dPPP in th 60th percentile IIRC. Only one higher that season was Sam. Everyone else was below 50%.
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Second best defender on the team. His dPPP in th 60th percentile IIRC. Only one higher that season was Sam. Everyone else was below 50%.
Uhh, in person view says far otherwise. Katin could not guard his shadow. Otoh, that really says also little about the rest of that team.... ;)
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Uhh, in person view says far otherwise. Katin could not guard his shadow. Otoh, that really says also little about the rest of that team.... ;)
He said solid, not spectacular. Though it probably says as much about the eye test ;)
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Uhh, in person view says far otherwise. Katin could not guard his shadow. Otoh, that really says also little about the rest of that team.... ;)
It does. Katin was an average defender when compared to the rest of Division 1. The fact that an average defender was the second best on that team says a whole helluva lot.
I'll be honest, I've found that most fans' eye tests, myself included, are terrible at judging individual defenders. I like to stick to the numbers.
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That picture. Theo with the 1000 yard stare, Sam looking for the exit, a few fans looking on in disdain, and then... the kid in the background ready to call it good!
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My issue on the defense was not that those guys were good defenders. We clearly were demonstrated that they were friggin horrible. Yet i used two years ago because it was a much older team than last year. Bottom line haanif started most games at point solid defender, jj no reason as a good athkete n senior he could nt defend, wilso 4th year no good reason so horrible, katin same, luke 6’11 could block a shot lack of athleticism but should not have been horrible. My point is we had an old senior laden team n they sucked.
Last year young team were an embarrassment too. This year gonna be good on defense? Dont see it. If wojo cannot prove to have a clue on defense this year i think the wojo experiment needs to be over. The recruiting will dry up and even if it doesnt if he cant coach defense what will it matter.
Hope im wrong but we very well may prove to not be as good offensively and every bit as big of a national embarrassment on defense.
Call me a debbie downer, but not sure what anyone has seen that indicates that this team/coaching staff is committed to defense, toughness, getting stops or a defense wins championships metality
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Think the most fascinating dynamic going into this season is:
The delta between Rowsey and Chartouney.
The roster got a year older, and with the addition of a highly regarded recruit with a half season head start (Joey) - those things bode well for the team being improved. Furthermore, the Big East is down, talent-wise this year.
That all said, the polar opposite type of players Rowsey and Chartouney are, is a fascinating juxtaposition. The defense most definitely should be improved, yet will it be enough? I personally doubt it will improve to be a Top 20 type of defense. Our O with Rowsey last year was 12th in the country - and Rowsey had a MAJOR impact on us being that good.
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My issue on the defense was not that those guys were good defenders. We clearly were demonstrated that they were friggin horrible. Yet i used two years ago because it was a much older team than last year. Bottom line haanif started most games at point solid defender, jj no reason as a good athkete n senior he could nt defend, wilso 4th year no good reason so horrible, katin same, luke 6’11 could block a shot lack of athleticism but should not have been horrible. My point is we had an old senior laden team n they sucked.
Last year young team were an embarrassment too. This year gonna be good on defense? Dont see it. If wojo cannot prove to have a clue on defense this year i think the wojo experiment needs to be over. The recruiting will dry up and even if it doesnt if he cant coach defense what will it matter.
Hope im wrong but we very well may prove to not be as good offensively and every bit as big of a national embarrassment on defense.
Call me a debbie downer, but not sure what anyone has seen that indicates that this team/coaching staff is committed to defense, toughness, getting stops or a defense wins championships metality
You seem to equate experience and defensive ability, and I think that is only partially correct. I think Matt is a better post defender than Theo because he has had more experience defending the post so your assertion works here. However, our worst defender last year was our only senior. If AR had another year of eligibility I'm sure he would have another stellar offensive campaign, however, that extra year of experience would do absolutely nothing on the defensive end. Being a year older will help the likes of Greg and Jamal defensively, but Markus will never be classified as a good defender, no matter how experienced he is.
Your idea works, except when it doesn't work, I fully expect Sophmore Jamal or Greg to be better defensively than Senior JJJ or Junior Duane.
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Think the most fascinating dynamic going into this season is:
The delta between Rowsey and Chartouney.
The roster got a year older, and with the addition of a highly regarded recruit with a half season head start (Joey) - those things bode well for the team being improved. Furthermore, the Big East is down, talent-wise this year.
That all said, the polar opposite type of players Rowsey and Chartouney are, is a fascinating juxtaposition. The defense most definitely should be improved, yet will it be enough? I personally doubt it will improve to be a Top 20 type of defense. Our O with Rowsey last year was 12th in the country - and Rowsey had a MAJOR impact on us being that good.
Reasonable and well-reasoned post. Nicely done, Ners.
There are other differences besides the addition of Joey and JCS for AR, but I do agree that the latter should be interesting to watch -- and it will go a long way to determining how good we can be.
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Think the most fascinating dynamic going into this season is:
The delta between Rowsey and Chartouney.
The roster got a year older, and with the addition of a highly regarded recruit with a half season head start (Joey) - those things bode well for the team being improved. Furthermore, the Big East is down, talent-wise this year.
That all said, the polar opposite type of players Rowsey and Chartouney are, is a fascinating juxtaposition. The defense most definitely should be improved, yet will it be enough? I personally doubt it will improve to be a Top 20 type of defense. Our O with Rowsey last year was 12th in the country - and Rowsey had a MAJOR impact on us being that good.
Our defense will improve far more than our offense falters.
Nobody in their right mind would expect this team to be a top 20 type defense, I'm not sure anybody on MUScoop has said they expect (or even hope for) that. If they are a top 20 type defense look out, we might very well be the favorite for a National Title if it is.
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Think the most fascinating dynamic going into this season is:
The delta between Rowsey and Chartouney.
The roster got a year older, and with the addition of a highly regarded recruit with a half season head start (Joey) - those things bode well for the team being improved. Furthermore, the Big East is down, talent-wise this year.
That all said, the polar opposite type of players Rowsey and Chartouney are, is a fascinating juxtaposition. The defense most definitely should be improved, yet will it be enough? I personally doubt it will improve to be a Top 20 type of defense. Our O with Rowsey last year was 12th in the country - and Rowsey had a MAJOR impact on us being that good.
I may have missed something, but I haven't seen anyone predict a top 20 defense. The highest I have seen predicted is top 50, which I think is overly optimistic. I would be more than happy with a top 100 defense.
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Yeah, we ain't gonna be a top-20 defense, nor do we have to be. Otherwise, I had no problem with Ners' thesis.
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I may have missed something, but I haven't seen anyone predict a top 20 defense. The highest I have seen predicted is top 50, which I think is overly optimistic. I would be more than happy with a top 100 defense.
Right. My point was we were 12th in the Nation in offense, and I believe Andrew played a MAJOR role in us achieving that status. Despite all the talent on the team this upcoming year, there will be regression offensively, and there should be improvement defensively. Question being the delta on both metrics, and how that plays out.
Elite Offenses were highly predictive of high level success last season: 3 Number 1 seeds were in Top 10 in OEfficiency. (Virginia being the one who was not, and as we saw, got defeated in Round 1). 3 Number 2 seeds were also in Top 10 in OEfficiency.
Defense is important, yet I feel with the 3-point shot impacting hoops so much, Elite Offense is now far more predictive of success, than elite/good defense.
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Defense is important, yet I feel with the 3-point shot impacting hoops so much, Elite Offense is now far more predictive of success, than elite/good defense.
I feel like last year kinda proved that you needed both. Our elite offensive was more than offset by our terrible defense, and Virginia's inability to score consistently (although that is partially due to their pace) caught up with them. Going into the tourney, as biased as I was, I always felt that Nova had a better chance to win it all than Virginia, because they had the ability to win a game in the 90s as well as in the 60s, Virginia did not.
I agree that our offensive won't be as good next year, but I do not see a scenario where we don't finish with a top 25 offense. Our defense should be much improved, which should more than offset any small step back offensively.
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It's not like we are lacking offense this year. Don't get me wrong, Rowsey was great, but I think we are going to be able to make up a lot of what he brought on the offensive end with Joey and the continued growth of players like Jamal and Greg. And JC (and Ed) will give us a much better defensive presence.
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Yet i used two years ago because it was a much older team than last year. Bottom line haanif started most games at point solid defender,
That is a blatant lie. Howard and Rowsey were at the point. Stop lying.
jj no reason as a good athkete n senior he could nt defend,
Because he gambled overly much on steals and didn't challenge shooters.
wilso 4th year no good reason so horrible,
You mean the guy who was playing injured and played sparingly? Wilson only hit the 20 mpg mark in 3 of the last 15 games & never hit 25 in that stretch.
katin same,
As exhibited above, one of our "best" defenders, but he was just average.
luke 6’11 could block a shot lack of athleticism but should not have been horrible. My point is we had an old senior laden team n they sucked.
You spent that entire year ragging on Luke, so for you to start talking about his attributes now is an amusing reconstruction of past events. Luke was great in a zone, and poor in man. Not that hard to figure out. Also, of the 5 guys you reference, 3 were recruited by Buzz and the other two were generally regarded as among our better defenders.
Again, I also have concerns about this year's defense, but your rationales are inaccurate.
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Right. My point was we were 12th in the Nation in offense, and I believe Andrew played a MAJOR role in us achieving that status.
He did, but when looking at next year, I think the most predictive thing is to look at Rowsey making his teammates better. In games when he had 5+ assists, Marquette went 12-4. When he had 4 or fewer, we went 9-10. If you take out sub-225 home games where you should win regardless, those numbers go to 11-4 and 5-10 respectively.
Rowsey was a nice offensive player, but in terms of wins and losses, when he shared the ball we generally won, when he didn't we generally lost. Replacing him with a player that is less greedy on offense & more likely to look to find his teammates could very well not only help the offense more than Rowsey did, but should certainly help in terms of wins and losses.
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He did, but when looking at next year, I think the most predictive thing is to look at Rowsey making his teammates better. In games when he had 5+ assists, Marquette went 12-4. When he had 4 or fewer, we went 9-10. If you take out sub-225 home games where you should win regardless, those numbers go to 11-4 and 5-10 respectively.
Rowsey was a nice offensive player, but in terms of wins and losses, when he shared the ball we generally won, when he didn't we generally lost. Replacing him with a player that is less greedy on offense & more likely to look to find his teammates could very well not only help the offense more than Rowsey did, but should certainly help in terms of wins and losses.
I would agree. Certainly, in games like Creighton and Oregon, Rowsey sometimes carried MU on his back. Then again, games like those at DePaul...
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He did, but when looking at next year, I think the most predictive thing is to look at Rowsey making his teammates better. In games when he had 5+ assists, Marquette went 12-4. When he had 4 or fewer, we went 9-10. If you take out sub-225 home games where you should win regardless, those numbers go to 11-4 and 5-10 respectively.
Rowsey was a nice offensive player, but in terms of wins and losses, when he shared the ball we generally won, when he didn't we generally lost. Replacing him with a player that is less greedy on offense & more likely to look to find his teammates could very well not only help the offense more than Rowsey did, but should certainly help in terms of wins and losses.
I think Rowsey was a much better point guard after he scored 0 points in a game. After that it seemed to me his assists went up. However, looking at number of assists to wins may be a reflection of other players making shots. A low assist game can be because other players are missing the shots and not because Rowsey was not sharing the ball.
Rowsey won SoG 9 out of a possible 21 wins. I suspect he was second best in the majority of the other 12 wins. So he was easily our key player last year. Rowsey averaged 20 points. Assume Howard's and Sam's averages each increase 2 points and Chartouney averages 10, that leaves 6 points to be made up by the rest of the team. That is certainly doable. I suspect we will average as many points as last year. What I do not know is whether we will have a player that can hit the dagger shot.
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What I do not know is whether we will have a player that can hit the dagger shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88YFl1ilqcU
3 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lqH-Q-wwpk
Literally the entire second half and overtime.
Most teams would kill to have one player that is that good of a pure shooter. We're blessed with two. They will hit plenty of daggers before they leave.
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Right. My point was we were 12th in the Nation in offense, and I believe Andrew played a MAJOR role in us achieving that status. Despite all the talent on the team this upcoming year, there will be regression offensively, and there should be improvement defensively. Question being the delta on both metrics, and how that plays out.
Yes, Rowsey had a major impact on the offense. So much so that despite him being the only significant loss, I except our offense to either stay the same or take a step or two back (top 20 rather than top 12).
Simply put:
Losing Rowsey and Froling < The addition of JC/Joey/Bailey/Morrow/Eke and development of M2N, Sammy, Sacar, Heldt, Elliott, Cain, and John
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He did, but when looking at next year, I think the most predictive thing is to look at Rowsey making his teammates better. In games when he had 5+ assists, Marquette went 12-4. When he had 4 or fewer, we went 9-10. If you take out sub-225 home games where you should win regardless, those numbers go to 11-4 and 5-10 respectively.
Rowsey was a nice offensive player, but in terms of wins and losses, when he shared the ball we generally won, when he didn't we generally lost. Replacing him with a player that is less greedy on offense & more likely to look to find his teammates could very well not only help the offense more than Rowsey did, but should certainly help in terms of wins and losses.
I would postulate that Rowsey was the Number 1 priority on the scouting report for the opposition. Markus 2. Sam 3. The floor spacing opened up by Rowsey's legitimate (and willing ability) to hit from 28-32" feet, was hugely valuable for both Markus and Sam.
I tend to disagree with the bolded. You want your best/most efficient player to be "greedy," yet within that greed Andrew had a stellar 28.6% Assist Rate - Chartouney had a 28.9 Assist Rate and his 94.9 O-Rating wasn't particularly stellar, while playing in an easier conference/schedule 147th overall to MU's 24th.
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I would postulate that Rowsey was the Number 1 priority on the scouting report for the opposition. Markus 2. Sam 3. The floor spacing opened up by Rowsey's legitimate (and willing ability) to hit from 28-32" feet, was hugely valuable for both Markus and Sam.
I tend to disagree with the bolded. You want your best/most efficient player to be "greedy," yet within that greed Andrew had a stellar 28.6% Assist Rate - Chartouney had a 28.9 Assist Rate and his 94.9 O-Rating wasn't particularly stellar, while playing in an easier conference/schedule 147th overall to MU's 24th.
I do not agree with your cherry picking stats. He also played with far inferior talent. His previous two years he had ARates and ORtgs of 31.9 (44th nationally), 98.2 and 36.2 (21st nationally), 102.6.
Last year he was asked to play beyond what his ideal role is. A guard who is an elite defender and a distributor.
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Defense is important, yet I feel with the 3-point shot impacting hoops so much, Elite Offense is now far more predictive of success, than elite/good defense.
Have u been living in a whole the last two years? We lost almost 30 games while playing turnstile defense even with one of the top offenses in the entire country. Were rarely even competitive with the top teams and bad teams hung with us do to our layup line defense.
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That is a blatant lie. Howard and Rowsey were at the point. Stop lying.
Because he gambled overly much on steals and didn't challenge shooters.
You mean the guy who was playing injured and played sparingly? Wilson only hit the 20 mpg mark in 3 of the last 15 games & never hit 25 in that stretch.
As exhibited above, one of our "best" defenders, but he was just average.
You spent that entire year ragging on Luke, so for you to start talking about his attributes now is an amusing reconstruction of past events. Luke was great in a zone, and poor in man. Not that hard to figure out. Also, of the 5 guys you reference, 3 were recruited by Buzz and the other two were generally regarded as among our better defenders.
Again, I also have concerns about this year's defense, but your rationales are inaccurate.
So thick. Didnt say they were good defenders, strength, size, athleticism coaching n desire are what it takes to play defense. Those guys had the size, strength n athleticism minus luke he had the size . My point is they SHOULD, i will repeat because it apparently lost on you SHOULD, have been good defenders. Has to be desire or coaching missing. For that reason i dont see much improvement in that area. Wojo seems entirely focused on offense. Hope i am wrong.
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Defense is important, yet I feel with the 3-point shot impacting hoops so much, Elite Offense is now far more predictive of success, than elite/good defense.
Have u been living in a whole the last two years? We lost almost 30 games while playing turnstile defense even with one of the top offenses in the entire country. Were rarely even competitive with the top teams and bad teams hung with us do to our layup line defense.
Think of it this way: We were 53rd overall in Pomeroy. 12th in offense or 41 spots better than our ranking. At 182 in Defense we were 129 spots worse than our season rating of 53. Hypothesis being: Our elite offense helped us "more" than our poor defense hurt.
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Katin and Luke were tied for worst Defensive PPP when we they were on the floor in 2016-17.
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It's not like we are lacking offense this year. Don't get me wrong, Rowsey was great, but I think we are going to be able to make up a lot of what he brought on the offensive end with Joey and the continued growth of players like Jamal and Greg. And JC (and Ed) will give us a much better defensive presence.
This and they know they need D to get going
At least Theo knows
https://twitter.com/theojohn123/status/1031826868230602752?s=21
Plus there were a lot of coaches in BE play who thought key was to stop Sam. I felt when Sam underperformed the whole team did.
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So thick. Didnt say they were good defenders, strength, size, athleticism coaching n desire are what it takes to play defense. Those guys had the size, strength n athleticism minus luke he had the size . My point is they SHOULD, i will repeat because it apparently lost on you SHOULD, have been good defenders. Has to be desire or coaching missing. For that reason i dont see much improvement in that area. Wojo seems entirely focused on offense. Hope i am wrong.
Your idea of what is required to be a good defender leaves a lot to be desired.
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Think of it this way: We were 53rd overall in Pomeroy. 12th in offense or 41 spots better than our ranking. At 182 in Defense we were 129 spots worse than our season rating of 53. Hypothesis being: Our elite offense helped us "more" than our poor defense hurt.
Yeah....that's not how stats work. You have to look at the actual stats, not the rankings.
Our KenPom ranking was 53rd.
Our 12th rated offense was given a score of 119.2. The 53rd ranked offense had a score of 112.9. For a difference of +6.2
Our 182nd rated defense was given a score of 105.6. The 53rd ranked defense had a score of 98.0 for a difference of -7.6.
Rankings are almost always on a bell curve. The closer you get to the extremes of a ranking the more distance there is between positions. Marquette's defense last season was right in the middle of the bell curve. Only a little bit of improvement on defense will send them soaring in the rankings. For example, a 5 point improvement to their defensive efficiency would have cut their ranking in half, moving them up 92 spots to #90. A 5 point decrease to their offensive efficiency would have only moved them down 32 spots to #44.
So Marquette's #53 ranking wasn't because offense is more important than defense. It's because the rankings are on a bell curve.
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Have u been living in a whole the last two years?
A whole what?
Plus there were a lot of coaches in BE play who thought key was to stop Sam. I felt when Sam underperformed the whole team did.
You know, I noticed that, too, and I have some concerns about it this season.
If an opponent wants to shut down a guy with Sam's offensive skill set, they usually can do it. Just don't leave him open on the perimeter, make him beat you to shoot tough 2s. Do hard denies on him so he can't even catch the ball outside; make him go backdoor, thereby forcing his teammates to thread passes to him for 2s.
When we had both Smurfs on the court, too, we could usually get one of them an open 3 if Sam was being closely guarded like that. It will be interesting to see how often the opposing coach tries to take away Sam, even if it means a big game for Markus.
And yes, AR had that "dagger 3" mentality. I know we have a couple other guys who can hit them, but AR really, really wanted that shot. Indeed, there were many times I screamed, "No!" at the TV right until the ball went in. He probably was my all-time, "Nooo! Nooo! Yes!" player in all my years watching the Warriors.
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A whole what?
You know, I noticed that, too, and I have some concerns about it this season.
If an opponent wants to shut down a guy with Sam's offensive skill set, they usually can do it. Just don't leave him open on the perimeter, make him beat you to shoot tough 2s. Do hard denies on him so he can't even catch the ball outside; make him go backdoor, thereby forcing his teammates to thread passes to him for 2s.
When we had both Smurfs on the court, too, we could usually get one of them an open 3 if Sam was being closely guarded like that. It will be interesting to see how often the opposing coach tries to take away Sam, even if it means a big game for Markus.
And yes, AR had that "dagger 3" mentality. I know we have a couple other guys who can hit them, but AR really, really wanted that shot. Indeed, there were many times I screamed, "No!" at the TV right until the ball went in. He probably was my all-time, "Nooo! Nooo! Yes!" player in all my years watching the Warriors.
I'm more positive than many here that he will fully recover and will be a lot faster an agile when he is closely guarded. I do think Sam will be very hard to guard next season with either Morrow or Joey at the other forward position.
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Someone mentioned that Rowsey was a greedy player. Howard played 72 minutes less (1071 minutes vs. 1143) than Rowsey and took 20 more shots than Rowsey. Howard had 94 assists to Rowsey's 169.
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Howard played 72 minutes less (1071 minutes vs. 1143) than Rowsey and took 20 more shots than Rowsey. Howard had 94 assists to Rowsey's 169.
#TheThing
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Someone mentioned that Rowsey was a greedy player. Howard played 72 minutes less (1071 minutes vs. 1143) than Rowsey and took 20 more shots than Rowsey. Howard had 94 assists to Rowsey's 169.
Also, Rowsey played the 1 and Howard the 2.
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Someone mentioned that Rowsey was a greedy player. Howard played 72 minutes less (1071 minutes vs. 1143) than Rowsey and took 20 more shots than Rowsey. Howard had 94 assists to Rowsey's 169.
To expound on the notion Rowsey/Markus were greedy/selfish: It's not being greedy when you are good. Rowsey and Markus should have been our leading shot takers. Of course when you shot a lot (as you should), there will be some ill-advised attempts.
On the whole, though, shooting a lot didn't make Rowsey or Markus greedy/selfish. Perhaps there were a few games where they got carried away, but again, on the whole - those guys get the benefit of the doubt. Wojo made the right call/a good coaching decision - giving those guys pretty much free reign to fire.
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To expound on the notion Rowsey/Markus were greedy/selfish: It's not being greedy when you are good. Rowsey and Markus should have been our leading shot takers. Of course when you shot a lot (as you should), there will be some ill-advised attempts.
On the whole, though, shooting a lot didn't make Rowsey or Markus greedy/selfish. Perhaps there were a few games where they got carried away, but again, on the whole - those guys get the benefit of the doubt. Wojo made the right call/a good coaching decision - giving those guys pretty much free reign to fire.
Yeah you can always nitpick some of the shots that good shooters take when they don't go in. But when they drop, all of that pretty much goes away. I never have considered Rowsey or Markus "selfish." They're scorers doing what scorers do. Of all the complaints to have about MU over the last couple of years, their offense certainly isn't one of them.
That being said, Andrew was terrible on defense. That is where we hope to see improvement - hopefully without too much drop off in offense.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88YFl1ilqcU
3 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lqH-Q-wwpk
Literally the entire second half and overtime.
Most teams would kill to have one player that is that good of a pure shooter. We're blessed with two. They will hit plenty of daggers before they leave.
Wow, I completely forgot about that Georgetown length of the court game-tying drive. Truly shocking defense there.
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Wow, I completely forgot about that Georgetown length of the court game-tying drive. Truly shocking defense there.
It was bad, and I'm not defending it, but a couple things. Sam's shot was almost a three, if players though that we were up three stopping defending once you get past the three point line is excusable. I'd much rather Matt have let him go than pull a 15-16 Luke vs DePaul and give up a three point play with under a second left to lose the game (I still don't think it was a foul BTW).
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I just learned in this ESPN piece that Providence has a highly-rated incoming freshman named David Duke. Unfortunate name to have these days!
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Ya not sure who names their kid david duke. Wasnt 18-19 years ago when he was even more infamous? Very odd
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Ya not sure who names their kid david duke. Wasnt 18-19 years ago when he was even more infamous? Very odd
He was named after his father who is also David Duke. Wouldn't be surprised if his grandfather was also David Duke. Tough call between continuing a family tradition and sharing a name with a Grand Wizard of the KKK. I probably would have broken with tradition.
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He was named after his father who is also David Duke. Wouldn't be surprised if his grandfather was also David Duke. Tough call between continuing a family tradition and sharing a name with a Grand Wizard of the KKK. I probably would have broken with tradition.
Ha yeah... more like easy call!
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Didn't know where else to put this but Xavier lost their top 2018 commit due to a "undisclosed legal matter." Scuttlebutt is that he is facing charges of sexual assault.
Assuming the allegations are true, good on Xavier for pulling the scholarship. They seemed to have had a disproportionate number of Title IX related incidents with their players but they always seem to take the high road when the incident becomes known. Unlike another Ohio school just down the road.
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Didn't know where else to put this but Xavier lost their top 2018 commit due to a "undisclosed legal matter." Scuttlebutt is that he is facing charges of sexual assault.
Assuming the allegations are true, good on Xavier for pulling the scholarship. They seemed to have had a disproportionate number of Title IX related incidents with their players but they always seem to take the high road when the incident becomes known. Unlike another Ohio school just down the road.
#MeToo #MeTooAlsoReverseMeToo
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Didn't know where else to put this but Xavier lost their top 2018 commit due to a "undisclosed legal matter." Scuttlebutt is that he is facing charges of sexual assault.
Assuming the allegations are true, good on Xavier for pulling the scholarship. They seemed to have had a disproportionate number of Title IX related incidents with their players but they always seem to take the high road when the incident becomes known. Unlike another Ohio school just down the road.
Mack ran a renegade program (one in which many Scoopers adored from afar) but Steele won't have that luxury.