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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Blue Horseshoe on July 11, 2018, 05:13:04 PM
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Per the WI Supreme Court decision, MU will reinstate McAdams. His most recent blog topics have covered
current former MU student, Alex Ruiz, who has been expelled over a Snapchat post. Does MU have the right to expel students, yes. Did Ruiz's actions warrant such punishment? I do not believe so.
Will this result in another lawsuit against the university?
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Per the WI Supreme Court decision, MU will reinstate McAdams. His most recent blog topics have covered current former MU student, Alex Ruiz, who has been expelled over a Snapchat post. Does MU have the right to expel students, yes. Did Ruiz's actions warrant such punishment? I do not believe so.
Will this result in another lawsuit against the university?
As long as they followed proper procedures they shouldn’t have a problem.
But they followed proper procedures in dismissing McAdams and the kangaroo court reinstated him anyways. So who knows?
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Something tells me employment law is a bit more nuanced than education law.
Don't know anything about this Ruiz case, but I've never heard of a student who successfully sued his/her university over arbitrary code of conduct enforcement (that didn't have elements of AA or EO).
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As long as they followed proper procedures they shouldn’t have a problem.
But they followed proper procedures in dismissing McAdams and the kangaroo court reinstated him anyways. So who knows?
We get it... You believe McAdams should be fired agaiiiinnnn for doxing another student. This time, Alex Ruiz.
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Well it seems like John will now take any opportunity to embarras Lovell any chance he gets. Unfortunately this could get nasty. It will be interesting if John will be able to teach any classes going forward as I'm not sure that is included in the settlement.
http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com
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The photo in question, which was released to media, depicts Ruiz and three of his friends (none of whom are Marquette students) pointing an airsoft gun at a black doll alongside the caption, “Chuuch,” which Urban Dictionary defines as slang for “Amen.”
Ruiz told Campus Reform that the photo was taken in a different state years before he ever enrolled at Marquette, adding that the doll was not intended to have racial connotations, and was simply something that one of the boys was known to carry around with him regularly.
The boys referred to the doll as “Bill,” and Ruiz’s father described it to Campus Reform as being similar to “a troll which people carry around.”
A college student who carries a doll around with him in itself should get one expelled.
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Something tells me employment law is a bit more nuanced than education law.
Don't know anything about this Ruiz case, but I've never heard of a student who successfully sued his/her university over arbitrary code of conduct enforcement (that didn't have elements of AA or EO).
Not arguing that Ruiz has a strong case. As you have pointed out, MU probably has a lot of precedence to support the expulsion. Generally speaking, MU students are not entitled to many rights at all.
Given that the former student is an immigrant, seems like another bad publicity move in the court of public opinion.
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We get it... You believe McAdams should be fired agaiiiinnnn for doxing another student. This time, Alex Ruiz.
No I don’t. He’s no longer a student.
And I will pretty much never shut up about how the Court screwed Marquette for political reasons. So let me preach the truth to you or ignore me. Your choice.
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Racist or not, a kid this stupid doesn't belong on Marquette's campus. Devalues all our diplomas.
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MU messed up in the first place.. then, after the Supreme Court opinion was released, took another misstep.
They will pay for it even more.
It's sad, but they need to shape up.
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Racist or not, a kid this stupid doesn't belong on Marquette's campus. Devalues all our diplomas.
Bashing the individual with out knowing anything about him.
By contrast, we are learning a lot about Lovell. At the moment, he devalues our diplomas more than anyone.
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Bashing the individual with out knowing anything about him.
By contrast, we are learning a lot about Lovell. At the moment, he devalues our diplomas more than anyone.
Actually I know plenty about him. He's the type of person who thinks it's funny to send strangers a photo of him and his friends holding a gun to a black doll's head with the equivalent statement of "Amen."
Then he's stupid enough to think people will believe that a teenage boy regularly carried around a doll of a black child dressed to look like a gangster. I mean ... do you buy that? Did you have many high school friends who carried dolls? Of course not. Besides being stupid, Mr. Ruiz is a liar.
Anyhow, all that may not be enough to declare him a racist - and I haven't done that - but it's easily enough to say he's an idiot.
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Actually I know plenty about him. He's the type of person who thinks it's funny to send strangers a photo of him and his friends holding a gun to a black doll's head with the equivalent statement of "Amen."
Then he's stupid enough to think people will believe that a teenage boy regularly carried around a doll of a black child dressed to look like a gangster. I mean ... do you buy that? Did you have many high school friends who carried dolls? Of course not. Besides being stupid, Mr. Ruiz is a liar.
Anyhow, all that may not be enough to declare him a racist - and I haven't done that - but it's easily enough to say he's an idiot.
Agreed. Just stupid.
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Lovell is awesome. He has handled all of this as well as you can.
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Actually I know plenty about him. He's the type of person who thinks it's funny to send strangers a photo of him and his friends holding a gun to a black doll's head with the equivalent statement of "Amen."
Then he's stupid enough to think people will believe that a teenage boy regularly carried around a doll of a black child dressed to look like a gangster. I mean ... do you buy that? Did you have many high school friends who carried dolls? Of course not. Besides being stupid, Mr. Ruiz is a liar.
Anyhow, all that may not be enough to declare him a racist - and I haven't done that - but it's easily enough to say he's an idiot.
More plausible that the image was shared by multiple people over an extended time frame. Seems like you think that Snapchats are sent out to the masses at random (they are not). My understanding is the outcry to Lovell & Co. came from a small group of students (and faculty?) that did not even initially receive the Snapchat message. They saw it 2nd, 3rd, 4th hand etc.
Also, I'm not sure how old Ruiz is. If he is beyond 18 I would not characterize him as a "boy". As a student he may be beyond his teenage years, again, unsure. It seems like you are also unfamiliar with the ritual known as a "joke". We don't live in a vacuum, you can acknowledge that although you may lack it, sense of humor is subjective but exists. I'm not arguing the Ruiz is a great comic or "funny". I don't understand the point of the doll in the image in question either. The whole thing doesn't make sense and thus the joke just falls flat. Then again, I'm not the intended recipient of what was a private message.
Instead of this being a bad joke or just confusing... Marquette has decided to flex muscle and permanently banish Ruiz from campus. Does the crime fit the punishment? Not by my standards. MU has turned into a place where creative expression is completely unwelcome.
Marquette, stay because we hired you, leave because we fired you (for criticizing the administration)...no jokes allowed
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/2u5eNEczIfkP6zFXKVr4GA--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/560591e592ba274933cdd1b149dea953)
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More plausible that the image was shared by multiple people over an extended time frame. Seems like you think that Snapchats are sent out to the masses at random (they are not). My understanding is the outcry to Lovell & Co. came from a small group of students (and faculty?) that did not even initially receive the Snapchat message. They saw it 2nd, 3rd, 4th hand etc.
Also, I'm not sure how old Ruiz is. If he is beyond 18 I would not characterize him as a "boy". As a student he may be beyond his teenage years, again, unsure. It seems like you are also unfamiliar with the ritual known as a "joke". We don't live in a vacuum, you can acknowledge that although you may lack it, sense of humor is subjective but exists. I'm not arguing the Ruiz is a great comic or "funny". I don't understand the point of the doll in the image in question either. The whole thing doesn't make sense and thus the joke just falls flat. Then again, I'm not the intended recipient of what was a private message.
Instead of this being just a bad joke, or just confusing... Marquette has decided to flex muscle and remove Ruiz permanently from campus. Does the crime fit the punishment? Not by my standards. MU has turned into a place where creative expression is completely unwelcome.
Marquette, stay because we hired you, leave because we fired you (for criticizing the administration)...no jokes allowed
Being racist is just a form of "creative expression" huh? I guess whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Being racist is just a form of "creative expression" huh? I guess whatever helps you sleep at night.
We get it, Everybody's racist and they must be locked in a cage. How do you sleep at night?
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No I don’t. He’s no longer a student.
And I will pretty much never shut up about how the Court screwed Marquette for political reasons. So let me preach the truth to you or ignore me. Your choice.
This should be your signature.
;D
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A college student who carries a doll around with him in itself should get one expelled.
vandalism surely should warrant getting expelled from MU then too, eyn'a?
how come he wasn't able to write a paper and then tell them that was too much cuz of stress of workload or something like those vandals back in 10/2016...free speech? as some of ya'll say-'merica??
"They covered over the display board with their own pro-abortion signs and tore up the blue and pink flags planted in the ground (representing boy and girl babies who had been aborted).
How were they punished? Each of the vandals was required to write a three page paper explaining how they acted irresponsibly. Two students refused to do this (claiming it was finals week), and they were given a semester probation."
https://fox6now.com/2016/10/18/pro-life-display-vandalized-at-marquette-university-this-is-exactly-the-place-where-this-dialogue-should-occur/
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http://www.marquette.edu/leadership/values.php
http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catholic-social-teaching/seven-themes-of-catholic-social-teaching.cfm
It is my opinion that Lovell comes/came closer to these than McAdams did/does.
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Lovell is awesome. He has handled all of this as well as you can.
Chuuuuch
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We get it, Everybody's racist and they must be locked in a cage. How do you sleep at night?
When you have to resort to hyperbole, your argument pretty much sucks.
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When you have to resort to hyperbole, your argument pretty much sucks.
When put in simple terms, your logic is incredibly flawed. Racism = posing with a doll that is a different skin color? Lumping that person (or 4 people in this case) together with real racists is simply offensive. Do you not see the disconnect?
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More plausible that the image was shared by multiple people over an extended time frame. Seems like you think that Snapchats are sent out to the masses at random (they are not). My understanding is the outcry to Lovell & Co. came from a small group of students (and faculty?) that did not even initially receive the Snapchat message. They saw it 2nd, 3rd, 4th hand etc.
Also, I'm not sure how old Ruiz is. If he is beyond 18 I would not characterize him as a "boy". As a student he may be beyond his teenage years, again, unsure. It seems like you are also unfamiliar with the ritual known as a "joke". We don't live in a vacuum, you can acknowledge that although you may lack it, sense of humor is subjective but exists. I'm not arguing the Ruiz is a great comic or "funny". I don't understand the point of the doll in the image in question either. The whole thing doesn't make sense and thus the joke just falls flat. Then again, I'm not the intended recipient of what was a private message.
Instead of this being a bad joke or just confusing... Marquette has decided to flex muscle and permanently banish Ruiz from campus. Does the crime fit the punishment? Not by my standards. MU has turned into a place where creative expression is completely unwelcome.
It's awesome that you didn't even read the account of what happened McAdams is relying upon (which I'm sure it totally unbiased) and yet you come here pontificating about how awful Marquette acted.
"Seems like you think that Snapchats are sent out to the masses at random (they are not)./"
From McAdams's blog:
Alex and friends were playing a “game” in which they would randomly scroll through their phones while the “Apple Airdrop” function was on, which allows photos to be sent to all nearby devices without specifying a recipient
So they sent this photo out to everyone near by without specifying who. that is the very definition of sending it out at random. In fact, McAdams goes on to write:
"Sending photos to random people who happen to be connected to the same Wi-Fi hotspot is pretty dumb."
"If he is beyond 18 I would not characterize him as a "boy""
From McAdams' blog:
The photo was shot almost two years ago, with Enrique and some of his high school buddies and members of his soccer team. The black doll was owned by one of Enrique’s buddies; he carried it around a lot.
The doll was supposedly owned and carried around more than two years ago by a kid in high school. Not an 18-year-old college student. A boy.
I mean, one would think you would at least read what happened before you came here condemning anyone.
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And I will pretty much never shut up about how the Court screwed Marquette for political reasons. So let me preach the truth to you or ignore me. Your choice.
It shouldn’t be my choice. Honestly, your tactics are a great example of why I haven’t posted a lot of information on here I otherwise would have.
This board is supposed to be politics free, yet not only do you defy it, you announce your intentions.
Absolutely awful. Your type is the type that ignore rules and just shout, get in people’s faces, etc. (though not in person) and feel empowered by it. Sick.
I’m fine if Scoop wants to allow political commentary, but if based on the current rules people are allowed to say “eff the rules, I’ll be political!” and aren’t put on a timeout... yeeesh
Mods... #bansultan
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It shouldn’t be my choice. Honestly, your tactics are a great example of why I haven’t posted a lot of information on here I otherwise would have.
Seriously, stop being such a whiner. I'm not posting political points of view. I'm not debating any sort of political position.
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It's awesome that you didn't even read the account of what happened McAdams is relying upon (which I'm sure it totally unbiased) and yet you come here pontificating about how awful Marquette acted.
"Seems like you think that Snapchats are sent out to the masses at random (they are not)./"
From McAdams's blog:
Alex and friends were playing a “game” in which they would randomly scroll through their phones while the “Apple Airdrop” function was on, which allows photos to be sent to all nearby devices without specifying a recipient
So they sent this photo out to everyone near by without specifying who. that is the very definition of sending it out at random. In fact, McAdams goes on to write:
"Sending photos to random people who happen to be connected to the same Wi-Fi hotspot is pretty dumb."
"If he is beyond 18 I would not characterize him as a "boy""
From McAdams' blog:
The photo was shot almost two years ago, with Enrique and some of his high school buddies and members of his soccer team. The black doll was owned by one of Enrique’s buddies; he carried it around a lot.
The doll was supposedly owned and carried around more than two years ago by a kid in high school. Not an 18-year-old college student. A boy.
I mean, one would think you would at least read what happened before you came here condemning anyone.
It is more awesome that you are making my point and are so snarky about it.
"Alex and friends were playing a “game” in which they would randomly scroll through their phones while the “Apple Airdrop” function was on, which allows photos to be sent to all nearby devices without specifying a recipient"
- Snapchats are not sent via airdrop. Someone took a screenshot of the snap and then it was shared later.
"The photo was shot almost two years ago, with Enrique and some of his high school buddies and members of his soccer team. The black doll was owned by one of Enrique’s buddies; he carried it around a lot."
-I guess you have me on a technicality that teenagers in high school are "boys". I think this seems even more brutal that Marquette would expel a then 15/16/17 year old - now student former student for posing with a doll that is a different skin color.
Continuing to play out your logic.... all current students would need to be vetted to examine if they have ever participated in "insensitive" behavior. What age must we go back to examine? What standards dictate an offense that is beyond the pale and will result in expulsion?
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When put in simple terms, your logic is incredibly flawed. Racism = posing with a doll that is a different skin color? Lumping that person (or 4 people in this case) together with real racists is simply offensive. Do you not see the disconnect?
First of all, I didn't call him a racist. I said he was "being racist," ie, his actions were racist. Which IMO they clearly were.
Second, he wasn't simply "posing with a doll that is different skin color." They were pointing a toy gun at the doll. Being intellectually dishonest by excluding key details of the photo isn't a good look.
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Seriously, stop being such a whiner. I'm not posting political points of view. I'm not debating any sort of political position.
You’re taking a Supreme Court opinion and claiming it’s political, then rejoicing in the fact you’re claiming it’s political.
FOH
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First of all, I didn't call him a racist. I said he was "being racist," ie, his actions were racist. Which IMO they clearly were.
Second, he wasn't simply "posing with a doll that is different skin color." They were pointing a toy gun at the doll. Being intellectually dishonest by excluding key details of the photo isn't a good look.
1. Your point is clear, Penny + Lil Penny = ok because they are the same skin color. Fred Rogers + Lil Penny = not ok because they are different.
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/2u5eNEczIfkP6zFXKVr4GA--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/560591e592ba274933cdd1b149dea953)
2. The gun is not real. The doll is not a person. The image is a joke. Intellectual dishonesty, plain and simple.
3. Please define racism and explain why, in your opinion, the image is an act of racism.
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You’re taking a Supreme Court opinion and claiming it’s political, then rejoicing in the fact you’re claiming it’s political.
FOH
Yes. I am claiming that the Supreme Court decision was based on politics. That is not a political statement.
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Yes. I am claiming that the Supreme Court decision was based on politics. That is not a political statement.
Might have to “knock” some sense into you.
Take pride in making Scoop less valuable, bud.
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1. Your point is clear, Penny + Lil Penny = ok because they are the same skin color. Fred Rogers + Lil Penny = not ok because they are different.
2. The gun is not real. The doll is not a person. The image is a joke. Intellectual dishonesty, plain and simple.
3. Please define racism and explain why, in your opinion, the image is an act of racism.
1. No. That's not the point at all. If Fred Rogers was simply sitting on a couch with a black doll, that is just fine. If Fred Rogers was pointing a gun at a black doll with a slang word for "Amen" underneath, that is a racist act.
2. That hardly matters. Draw a cartoon of a black person being lynched on a tree and see how far you can get by saying "the person isn't real. The noose isn't real." Symbols matter.
3. I've done that already.
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Might have to “knock” some sense into you.
Take pride in making Scoop less valuable, bud.
Dude if you're going to stay away because you think I'm making political statements in the Superbar, that really is a "you" problem. It's odd and weird that you will hold out information because of this.
It's really simple. Report the post. If the moderators ask me to stop, I will stop. It's their rules and they are enforcers of the rules.