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Title: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Herman Cain on May 02, 2018, 08:31:00 PM
Wojo,on the schedule and some injury updates

https://amp.jsonline.com/amp/574832002?__twitter_impression=true

Looks like Sam has a long way to go on his rehab.   He may not be fully ready by the start of the season.  Given the tough pre season schedule what are the potential rotations we may see?  Do we play the young guys a lot more and sav Sams minutes for the big games? Or do we let him use the cupcakes to work him self into shape?  Also it could be possible that Sam does not get cleared until well into the season and then takes an injury redshirt, that tactic is one that Buzz was alwayss a big advocate of ( Duane Wilson, Ahmed Hill). I think Sam is an all Big East level player and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 02, 2018, 08:34:26 PM
Looks like Sam has a long way to go on his rehab.   He may not be fully ready by the start of the season.  Given the tough pre season schedule what are the potential rotations we may see?  Do we play the young guys a lot more and sav Sams minutes for the big games? Or do we let him use the cupcakes to work him self into shape?  Also it could be possible that Sam does not get cleared until well into the season and then takes an injury redshirt, that tactic is one that Buzz was alwayss a big advocate of ( Duane Wilson, Ahmed Hill). I think Sam is an all Big East level player and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

The article says that Sam's rehab is supposed to be complete in 4 months. That's September 2nd...2 months before the first game. Unless there is a complication he should be good to go.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: MuMark on May 02, 2018, 08:40:34 PM
Looks like Sam has a long way to go on his rehab.   He may not be fully ready by the start of the season.  Given the tough pre season schedule what are the potential rotations we may see?  Do we play the young guys a lot more and sav Sams minutes for the big games? Or do we let him use the cupcakes to work him self into shape?  Also it could be possible that Sam does not get cleared until well into the season and then takes an injury redshirt, that tactic is one that Buzz was alwayss a big advocate of ( Duane Wilson, Ahmed Hill). I think Sam is an all Big East level player and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Calm down dude.

By all accounts Sam will be fine......plenty of time to panic later
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Herman Cain on May 02, 2018, 08:55:16 PM
Calm down dude.

By all accounts Sam will be fine......plenty of time to panic later
It is one thing to be healthy and another thing to be D1 athletic healthy. No one is panicking. Just putting it out there for discussion.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on May 02, 2018, 09:25:09 PM
It is one thing to be healthy and another thing to be D1 athletic healthy. No one is panicking. Just putting it out there for discussion.

Talking about a damn medical redshirt when his recovery date is 2 months before the season even starts is pretty panicky.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: wadesworld on May 02, 2018, 10:25:04 PM
Herman is now not only relative to every player and recruit with an MU connection, he is also team doctor.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: lohaus on May 02, 2018, 10:51:50 PM
Plenty of time. It isn't like he is sitting around deteriorating as we speak and not working on other things.  I'm sure the staff will progress him as tolerated.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on May 03, 2018, 12:27:26 AM
Calm down dude.

By all accounts Sam will be fine......plenty of time to panic later

I agree, but given the combination of the wonders of modern medicine and our blueGold blooded fanaticism, sometimes we alums and fans talk about our beloved warriors as if they are machines. Having your hip operated on at Sam's young age is a major, major thing. The good news is that his age will only speed the recovery time, but it's still a very big deal. He's most likely not going to miss any time, however I don't care if he has to sit out the entire first semester, as long as the kid has a healthy hip and gait for life. He's going to earn money at some level playing this game, and protecting that earning power is more important than rushing him back if there are any tiny issues whatsoever. I think that's all Herman was getting at. What makes Marquette great is that pretty much every single one of us is in agreement on how much we value all these kids as people first.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: fjm on May 03, 2018, 06:38:54 AM
Looks like Sam has a long way to go on his rehab.   He may not be fully ready by the start of the season.  Given the tough pre season schedule what are the potential rotations we may see?  Do we play the young guys a lot more and sav Sams minutes for the big games? Or do we let him use the cupcakes to work him self into shape?  Also it could be possible that Sam does not get cleared until well into the season and then takes an injury redshirt, that tactic is one that Buzz was alwayss a big advocate of ( Duane Wilson, Ahmed Hill). I think Sam is an all Big East level player and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Gonna be tough to get back on the court with Wojo constantly demotivating sams hip every day in physical therapy.  :o

But I'll play along:

I think it san can't start the year which I again believe is extremely unlikely,
I think you see Sacar/cain starting and playing more minutes. That's about the only difference I see.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: warriorchick on May 03, 2018, 06:44:17 AM
I try not to worry about things unless there's actually something to worry about.

Worrying in general is a waste of emotional energy.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Anti-Dentite on May 03, 2018, 07:22:53 AM
I try not to worry about things unless there's actually something to worry about.

Worrying in general is a waste of emotional energy.
I'm worried that you're not taking worrying seriously enough.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 03, 2018, 07:23:03 AM
Looks like Sam has a long way to go on his rehab.   He may not be fully ready by the start of the season.  Given the tough pre season schedule what are the potential rotations we may see?  Do we play the young guys a lot more and sav Sams minutes for the big games? Or do we let him use the cupcakes to work him self into shape?  Also it could be possible that Sam does not get cleared until well into the season and then takes an injury redshirt, that tactic is one that Buzz was alwayss a big advocate of ( Duane Wilson, Ahmed Hill). I think Sam is an all Big East level player and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

There’s a better chance of you dunking a basketball than Sam Hauser taking a medical redshirt
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: tower912 on May 03, 2018, 07:41:42 AM
I'll bite. A corollary that must be addressed is the health of everybody else while Sam languishes.  The good news is that there is abundant depth.  So, Sam heals slowly and has to red shirt.  This actually benefits many people.  Sacar, Morrow, Cain, Joey, and Bailey are competing for 30 minutes per game that just opened up.  The problem isn't  whether there is an adequate replacement.  The question that cannot be answered in May is who steps up?
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Bocephys on May 03, 2018, 08:07:58 AM
I'm worried that you're not taking worrying seriously enough.

I'm worried you worry too much about others' worrying
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: MU82 on May 03, 2018, 08:09:13 AM
There’s a better chance of you dunking a basketball than Sam Hauser taking a medical redshirt

Good thing you're talkin' to 9-9-9 and not Ners, or else we'd be in trouble!
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Tha Hound on May 03, 2018, 08:17:14 AM
Looks like Sam has a long way to go on his rehab.   He may not be fully ready by the start of the season.  Given the tough pre season schedule what are the potential rotations we may see?  Do we play the young guys a lot more and sav Sams minutes for the big games? Or do we let him use the cupcakes to work him self into shape?  Also it could be possible that Sam does not get cleared until well into the season and then takes an injury redshirt, that tactic is one that Buzz was alwayss a big advocate of ( Duane Wilson, Ahmed Hill). I think Sam is an all Big East level player and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Quite literally the definition of fake news
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: warriorchick on May 03, 2018, 08:20:10 AM
I'm worried you worry too much about others' worrying

I am a member of the Aaron Rogers School of Zen.

Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: UWW2MU on May 03, 2018, 08:37:11 AM
The medical redshirt part was a bit of a stretch... but just for discussion sake, if Sam has some delays in progress and minutes need to be divided up, who's most likely stepping up?

I'm just very conflicted on how the team will shake out next year.  I mean this in a good way.  There just seems to be a wealth of talent fighting for minutes and I leave it to the much more knowledgeable scoop minds out there to sort it out for me!
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Anti-Dentite on May 03, 2018, 10:07:59 AM
I'm worried you worry too much about others' worrying
That worries me.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: barfolomew on May 03, 2018, 10:26:54 AM
I am a member of the Aaron Rogers School of Zen.

Is that where you go to learn to be a mechanic who fixes sinks?
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: jsglow on May 03, 2018, 10:29:32 AM
Is that where you go to learn to be a mechanic who fixes sinks?

Our sink is broken?  Now I'm worried.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Newsdreams on May 03, 2018, 11:14:24 AM
That worries me.
What, me worry?
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Herman Cain on May 03, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
What, me worry?
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: willie warrior on May 05, 2018, 05:03:35 PM
Is that where you go to learn to be a mechanic who fixes sinks?
No, that is where you go to learn how to be Danica Patrick's mechanic. Or at least a member of the pit crew. Imagine the torque that needs to be applied to the lug wrench.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: bilsu on May 05, 2018, 06:27:02 PM
The only way Sam medical redshirts is if he gets shut down after playing. He can just redshirt if he is not ready.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: vogue65 on May 05, 2018, 06:38:01 PM
Our sink is broken?  Now I'm worried.

Is it a pedestal sink?  If so, good reason to worry, what a pain.  Did one today.

(Screw the retaining nut back onto the sink drain to secure the pivot rod. Test the replacement pop-up drain plug by pulling up on the stopper-rod lever connected to the faucet. This causes the drain plug to close the sink drain. Pushing down on the lever opens the drain.)

It took all the Zen I could muster.   
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Jay Bee on May 06, 2018, 11:55:21 AM
Also it could be possible that Sam does not get cleared until well into the season and then takes an injury redshirt, that tactic is one that Buzz was alwayss a big advocate of ( Duane Wilson, Ahmed Hill).

If he's cleared during the season, he would not be eligible for an 'injury redshirt' bka a medical hardship waiver. 
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: IrwinFletcher on May 12, 2018, 10:58:37 AM
https://twitter.com/davehouz/status/995308810788048898?s=21

Good sign.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Nukem2 on May 12, 2018, 12:06:26 PM
https://twitter.com/davehouz/status/995308810788048898?s=21

Good sign.
Must be home now between exams and start of summer session #1.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: jsglow on May 12, 2018, 12:11:45 PM
Yep.  Exams are over and summer classes starts a week from Monday.

Also, while timetables are never exact, doncha think that MU's medical staff knew what Hauser was facing when the NIT games were being played and if they thought there was even a 5% chance it would impact next year they just might have accelerated surgery? 
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: GGGG on May 12, 2018, 12:22:27 PM
Yep.  Exams are over and summer classes starts a week from Monday.

Also, while timetables are never exact, doncha think that MU's medical staff knew what Hauser was facing when the NIT games were being played and if they thought there was even a 5% chance it would impact next year they just might have accelerated surgery? 


Hold on.  You're claiming that the Marquette medical staff knew more than the Scoop community about Sam's rehabilitation schedule?  That's absurd.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 12, 2018, 12:24:33 PM

Hold on.  You're claiming that the Marquette medical staff knew more than the Scoop community about Sam's rehabilitation schedule?  That's absurd dumb and dangerous.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: jsglow on May 12, 2018, 01:17:29 PM

Hold on.  You're claiming that the Marquette medical staff knew more than the Scoop community about Sam's rehabilitation schedule?  That's absurd.

What the h*ll was I thinking!  Thanks for point it out.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Newsdreams on May 12, 2018, 01:34:25 PM
What the h*ll was I thinking!  Thanks for point it out.
You need to go to Arby's
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: MUDPT on May 12, 2018, 02:44:05 PM
Yep.  Exams are over and summer classes starts a week from Monday.

Also, while timetables are never exact, doncha think that MU's medical staff knew what Hauser was facing when the NIT games were being played and if they thought there was even a 5% chance it would impact next year they just might have accelerated surgery?

Meh. There's still a crutch on the ground and you don't need a ton of hip ROM at his height to shoot free throws. NO ONE has an idea right now if he will be healthy enough for the season, just hope so.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: GGGG on May 12, 2018, 02:47:34 PM
Meh. There's still a crutch on the ground and you don't need a ton of hip ROM at his height to shoot free throws. NO ONE has an idea right now if he will be healthy enough for the season, just hope so.


"No one has an idea?" 

No one knows 100% for sure, but people make injury prognostications all the time based on experience and other factors.  I'm pretty sure that counts as "an idea."
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: MUDPT on May 12, 2018, 02:57:48 PM

"No one has an idea?" 

No one knows 100% for sure, but people make injury prognostications all the time based on experience and other factors.  I'm pretty sure that counts as "an idea."

Sure.

Now find me a consensus protocol for FAI labral repair.  This is not an ACL repair where we have decades of research to use to best guess, just kind of a limited educated guess.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: GGGG on May 12, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
Sure.

Now find me a consensus protocol for FAI labral repair.  This is not an ACL repair where we have decades of research to use to best guess, just kind of a limited educated guess.

Well I'll defer to you on that...
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: brewcity77 on May 12, 2018, 04:15:43 PM
Sure.

Now find me a consensus protocol for FAI labral repair.  This is not an ACL repair where we have decades of research to use to best guess, just kind of a limited educated guess.

If only they had sports medicine professionals focused on him. Oh wait...they do...
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: jsglow on May 12, 2018, 06:39:17 PM
I'll pull out 'dumb and dangerous' for all you armchairs out there who haven't spent one second personally examining Sam or any other player on our team.  That is all.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22875321
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: MUDPT on May 12, 2018, 09:53:26 PM
I get the feeling that most on here believe it's a 99% chance that he comes back 100% before the season starts. Those of us (I talked to a couple of more PTs today) who have worked with people with this surgery from Dr. Nho, believe it's more towards 70%. I think he will be fine and I hope so, just not as confident as everyone else. And to be clear, I think the medical staff at MU is great. This surgery can be a big mystery some times, hince the hesitancy.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 13, 2018, 12:17:30 AM
I get the feeling that most on here believe it's a 99% chance that he comes back 100% before the season starts. Those of us (I talked to a couple of more PTs today) who have worked with people with this surgery from Dr. Nho, believe it's more towards 70%. I think he will be fine and I hope so, just not as confident as everyone else. And to be clear, I think the medical staff at MU is great. This surgery can be a big mystery some times, hince the hesitancy.

PTs also have to adjust for a very fit athlete who works out everyday. As apposed to a 43 year old who plays slow pitch.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: MUDPT on May 13, 2018, 06:16:06 AM
PTs also have to adjust for a very fit athlete who works out everyday. As apposed to a 43 year old who plays slow pitch.

Hmmmm, you mean like the MLB, NFL, NBA and WPSL athletes I've worked with in the past? FYI, slow pitch softball players are not the typical patients for this surgery.

For those of you who are interested, here's an article from The Athletic, who had both of his hips done. https://theathletic.com/339546/2018/05/03/is-kevon-looney-playing-himself-out-of-the-warriors-offseason-price-range/ It gives a little insight into timeframes.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: jsglow on May 13, 2018, 09:00:21 AM
I get the feeling that most on here believe it's a 99% chance that he comes back 100% before the season starts. Those of us (I talked to a couple of more PTs today) who have worked with people with this surgery from Dr. Nho, believe it's more towards 70%. I think he will be fine and I hope so, just not as confident as everyone else. And to be clear, I think the medical staff at MU is great. This surgery can be a big mystery some times, hince the hesitancy.

It's not that as I see it.  I think most folks think that the treatment that Sam received and the timing of that treatment was 100% undertaken in SAM'S best interest without regards to wins, losses during the '17-'18 season.  It almost seems more like a congenital defect that was someday going to need invasive treatment if Sam were to continue playing sports at an elite level.  Anyway, Sam is in the hands of the best medical personnel available and we'll see how quickly he progresses to 100%.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 13, 2018, 09:12:12 AM
O, sew he's in Indianapolis, aina?
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Nukem2 on May 13, 2018, 11:33:13 AM
It's not that as I see it.  I think most folks think that the treatment that Sam received and the timing of that treatment was 100% undertaken in SAM'S best interest without regards to wins, losses during the '17-'18 season.  It almost seems more like a congenital defect that was someday going to need invasive treatment if Sam were to continue playing sports at an elite level.  Anyway, Sam is in the hands of the best medical personnel available and we'll see how quickly he progresses to 100%.
I suspect he will progress as the season moves along.  Hard to see that he will be 100% on 11/6/18.  Maybe, he will surprise us, but who knows.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: dgies9156 on May 15, 2018, 12:31:20 PM
I suspect he will progress as the season moves along.  Hard to see that he will be 100% on 11/6/18.  Maybe, he will surprise us, but who knows.

Now that sports betting will be legal in far more states, this could be something to wager on!
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Herman Cain on May 27, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
Interesting post from Stan Johnson on freshman playing time.
https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/999458294161952768
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: awilhelmscream on May 27, 2018, 01:59:49 PM
Interesting post from Stan Johnson on freshman playing time.
https://twitter.com/MUCoachJohnson/status/999458294161952768

That’s not interesting at all if you watched the video.  That’s been this staff’s MO from the beginning.  Kids see more time after they start to “figure it out”, find their flow within the offense, and aren’t entirely lost on defense.  Look at Greg and Jamal last year and their playing time as the season went on.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: barfolomew on May 29, 2018, 05:04:40 PM
Is this a young marsupial of either sex that I spy hiding behind Brendan Bailey (I think?) in this video?

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1001576160868945921 (https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1001576160868945921)
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: We R Final Four on May 29, 2018, 05:08:24 PM
BB is taller than Theo!
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 29, 2018, 05:13:15 PM
Is this a young marsupial of either sex that I spy hiding behind Brendan Bailey (I think?) in this video?

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1001576160868945921 (https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1001576160868945921)

Neither Hauser suited up? #soft
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: wadesworld on May 29, 2018, 06:04:04 PM
Neither Hauser suited up? #soft

Incorrect.

Is this a young marsupial of either sex that I spy hiding behind Brendan Bailey (I think?) in this video?

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1001576160868945921 (https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1001576160868945921)


Correct.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 29, 2018, 06:27:38 PM
Incorrect.

Correct.

Seriously Wades you think I was serious? Somebody post the "lighten up Francis" Gif from Stripes please
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Newsdreams on May 29, 2018, 06:30:09 PM
Protect! Protect! Protect! Hey?
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: wadesworld on May 29, 2018, 06:30:34 PM
Seriously Wades you think I was serious? Somebody post the "lighten up Francis" Gif from Stripes please

...one of the Hausers is suited up.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Galway Eagle on May 29, 2018, 06:33:07 PM
...one of the Hausers is suited up.

Where? I see an arm but no face that'd confirm it's a Hauser?
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 29, 2018, 09:47:01 PM
Is this a young marsupial of either sex that I spy hiding behind Brendan Bailey (I think?) in this video?

Harry's returning, hey?
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: barfolomew on May 30, 2018, 10:57:08 AM
Harry's returning, hey?

:)
Sorry, harkening back to an old, long lost thread in which we discussed the definition of a "joey".
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: wadesworld on June 07, 2018, 06:51:02 PM
MUBB posted a video today.  Jamal, Greg, and Ike all fully participating in workouts it looked like.

Sam off crutches and in workout gear but just making passes to shooters in drills.

McEwen's shot looks pretty.

Bailey is big but looks slow footed/unsure of himself defensively.

Greg and Jamal still rail thin.

Didn't see Joey or Markus.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: MuMark on June 07, 2018, 07:02:26 PM
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1004857350405214208?s=21
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: KampusFoods on June 08, 2018, 09:48:04 AM
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1004857350405214208?s=21

Koby looks good
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 08, 2018, 03:58:19 PM
Koby looks good

Wojo looks a bit more portly.
Title: Re: Injury Analysis and Early Season Rotation
Post by: barfolomew on June 08, 2018, 04:32:59 PM
Wojo looks a bit more portly.

Maybe he tweaked the #mubb slogan this spring:

Wine Every DayTM