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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on April 21, 2018, 06:19:13 AM
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1. Injuries
2. Recovery from existing injuries is slower than anticipated. Rust. Skill and strength
3. JC is not a Savior.
4. Chemistry. What happens when some guys don't get the minutes they think they deserve?
5. Wojo really can't coach.
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6. Herpes
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7. Arrested for jaywalking at 6th and Wisconsin by a Milwaukee beat cop.
8. Any other interaction with the police.
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1. Injuries- Inexperience was the excuse last year, this will be the one next year
2. Recovery from existing injuries is slower than anticipated. Rust. Skill and strength- See above
3. JC is not a Savior. Yes, but he is 6ft 3, 205 not like Andrew's 5ft10, 175. Defense with like 9ppg will do
4. Chemistry. What happens when some guys don't get the minutes they think they deserve? They leave, at least one will not be happy
5. Wojo really can't coach. Leave that to the endless de-railing of other threads
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1. Injuries
2. Recovery from existing injuries is slower than anticipated. Rust. Skill and strength
3. JC is not a Savior.
4. Chemistry. What happens when some guys don't get the minutes they think they deserve?
5. Wojo really can't coach.
#5 should be#1. But it is always good to be prepared by getting the excuses lined up now before the make or break season begins.
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9. Samsquanch
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10) Too much Arby's.
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More importingly can Wojo coach? How will the chemistry be? Will have 10 players that can play and the other two, Bailey
and Eke can surprise? Then you have to try and keep 12 happy? For any coach that is hard?
I do have one question, can Eke take a medical hardship? He still has to be raw as he really did not get the time in gym to improve?
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11. Theo's going to steal Heldt's girlfriend
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12. Group high five goes terribly
13. Wojo changes slogan from "Win every day" to "Win every other day."
14. Wojo will be mic-ed up for every Big East game, meaning he really will say nothing but coaching platitudes every game.
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Let’s not forget asteroids......
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The most likely thing to go wrong is too high expectations by posters on this board.
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Let’s not forget asteroids......
My dad has those.....
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My dad has those.....
LOl. Literally. Ty
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15. FBI bangs down Wojo's front door with a warrant to seize all his footwear.
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1. Injuries
2. Recovery from existing injuries is slower than anticipated. Rust. Skill and strength
3. JC is not a Savior.
4. Chemistry. What happens when some guys don't get the minutes they think they deserve?
5. Wojo really can't coach.
#4 is a dumb one, As has been exhaustively debated and dredged thru the mud , MU has led the free world in transfers. Yet i have not heard or seen very much if any signs or rumors of dissention etc in the program. Wojo said this was possibly his favorite team in 20 years. Willie iirc in fact has mentioned Frolings character and attitude with everyhting he was going thru. Mu recruits very hi character kids.
4 is failed thinking
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1. Injuries
2. Recovery from existing injuries is slower than anticipated. Rust. Skill and strength
3. JC is not a Savior.
4. Chemistry. What happens when some guys don't get the minutes they think they deserve?
5. Wojo really can't coach.
1. Goes for every school in the country.
2. Well that will be helped greatly by having an actual full roster, if a guy is not quite ready by November...next man up.
3. We didn't need a savior, just a good solid PG.
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What can go right?
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What can go right?
No herpes
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What can go right?
To The Moon.
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Could still see a transfer or a mid-season transfer, but at this point, I feel like there aren't many excuses. Unless we lose a couple critical players to injury or transfer, we should go 10 deep.
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Could still see a transfer or a mid-season transfer, but at this point, I feel like there aren't many excuses. Unless we lose a couple critical players to injury or transfer, we should go 10 deep.
Yep, it's taken longer than many would like but I think we're there.
Think of this. Just the ability to rim protect because we have enough bigs. Only one year ago both Luke and Matty would have to back off when we got into foul trouble. Next year, Wojo can say to Ike 'Hit that sonofab*tch each of the next two time down the floor and send a message.' Depth is awesome.
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What can go right?
Cutting down the net next April with a switchblade!!!!!
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More importingly can Wojo coach? How will the chemistry be? Will have 10 players that can play and the other two, Bailey
and Eke can surprise? Then you have to try and keep 12 happy? For any coach that is hard?
I do have one question, can Eke take a medical hardship? He still has to be raw as he really did not get the time in gym to improve?
Ike ain't seeing the floor this year. And probably spot minutes next year at best unless he turns out to be Joel Embiid.
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The D still sucks. Does the scheme stay the same with the belief that JC makes it way better? Or is there an actual scheme change?
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The D still sucks. Does the scheme stay the same with the belief that JC makes it way better? Or is there an actual scheme change?
Here's how I'd guess the staff looks at it. It's the pie in the sky mindset, but I think there's some validity to the thought process.
My guess is the belief is that the defense sucked because we were running out Howard and Rowsey, both of whom were subpar defenders for their size, which made it worse because their size was an impediment of itself. Chartouny should help both the on-ball defense, the ability to create turnovers, and our zone because of his wingspan.
Further, in theory another year in the system should help our young players, as Cain, Elliott, and John all showed flashes. In terms of turnovers, Cain and Elliott were 1/2 in steal percentage while John led us in block percentage (Elliott was third). They clearly grew over the year and added strength and experience should help.
In addition, personnel should be improved. Morrow brings toughness, rebounding, and shot-blocking inside. I don't think he's a great man defender (not bad, just not great) but he brings physicality that we lacked when Theo wasn't out there. Joey Hauser, Bailey, and Eke add length and depth inside. Not sure how much they'll play, but their presence should insure our players aren't as worried about foul trouble. Also, both Hauser and Eke have been present for practices during their recoveries so they should be more up-to-speed than the average freshmen.
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That isn't pie in the sky.......it's virtually impossible to be good on defense with the personnel we had to run out there the last 2 years. Rowsey and Howard were great offensively but could be attacked relentlessly on the other end......youth and lack of physicality with rest of the team also presented huge problems.
Add JC over Rowsey.....add Morrow and Joey(defensive rebounding and toughness).....add experience and hopefully some muscle in the offseason for guys like Cain and Elliott..... .no reason to not honestly believe that the defense will improve........
It's not the X's and the O's.....it's the Jimmy's and The Joe's.......1 of Buzz's favorite sayings.
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That isn't pie in the sky...
I think there's some validity to it, but the idea that Chartouny, Morrow, and Joey are all defensive difference makers, we will see marked improvement from all the freshmen, and length will fill in the gaps is pretty much hoping everything comes together. I think the hope is that all those things would result in a top-50 defense. Personally, I'd be happy with anything inside the top-100 next year.
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I'm not suggesting we are going to be great defensively.....I'm suggesting we will be improved enough to make a difference.... if you go from bad to mediocre or even decent that is a huge jump up.
Markus will always pose problems on that end... but much easier to hide 1 midget then 2. When you rep.ace a horrible guard defender with an excellent one it should make a pretty big difference.
If people think if we don't become a top 20 defense it's some kind of failure then I'm not sure what to say.....this has been an offensive juggernaut that just needs to be ok on the other end.
We aren't going to be Virginia......not with our personnel.....and Tony Bennett is the best defensive coach in the country.......and even he has had a couple of mediocre defensive teams in his first 2 years at Virginia when his personnel wasn't good enough.
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Another factor affecting MU’s defense last year was opponents offensive rebounding which led to many second chance points. With the addition of Morrow and Joey along with Theo’s maturation along with the other factors MuMark noted, hopefully giving up offensive rebounds will also be less of an issue for MU.
One caveat I would have is that this is sill not the most athletic team around and, while taller, this is not a team with overall great length.
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Short of major injury or two derailing the season to one of the core guys, they have no excuses not to be really good next season. Wojo and staff have done an excellent job putting together a balanced and deep group. They finally have a roster make up of guys with plenty of experience. It's up to Wojo to make all the ingredients work together now.
I don't think they'll disappoint at all, but major expectations for really the first time of the Wojo tenure.
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Short of major injury or two derailing the season to one of the core guys, they have no excuses not to be really good next season. Wojo and staff have done an excellent job putting together a balanced and deep group. They finally have a roster make up of guys with plenty of experience. It's up to Wojo to make all the ingredients work together now.
I don't think they'll disappoint at all, but major expectations for really the first time of the Wojo tenure.
I agree, with all Wojo's guys in place it's time to deliver. The degree of that improvement will be in the perceptions of each poster.
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Having two under six foot guards would not have been as bad defensively if we had a Jim McIlvanie type shot blocking center. Having a 6'3" guard helps, but we still have Heldt at center. Our only other option is to go smaller at center. People seem to forget our front line was not good defensively. It is hard for any guard to stop a drive, if the refs are going to call hand checks. You need bigmen who can discourage the opponent from driving.
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Having two under six foot guards would not have been as bad defensively if we had a Jim McIlvanie type shot blocking center. Having a 6'3" guard helps, but we still have Heldt at center. Our only other option is to go smaller at center. People seem to forget our front line was not good defensively. It is hard for any guard to stop a drive, if the refs are going to call hand checks. You need bigmen who can discourage the opponent from driving.
That should be Theo John. Team really needs him to make a jump next season and impact games, especially rebounding and defensively. He has size, length, and athleticism to do so.
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That should be Theo John. Team really needs him to make a jump next season and impact games, especially rebounding and defensively. He has size, length, and athleticism to do so.
He is pretty athletic. However he does need to get stronger. He was strong for a freshmen, but the top teams often have stronger players than John was last year. John improved a lot as a freshmen. He started out foul prone and learned to play without fouling so much and developed a really nice hook shot.
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Cutting down the net next April with a switchblade!!!!!
I promise you that neither Marquette....not any other team...will cut down the nets with a switchblade again
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I promise you that neither Marquette....not any other team...will cut down the nets with a switchblade again
Unless the NCAA lands a switchblade sponsor.
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I agree, with all Wojo's guys in place it's time to deliver. The degree of that improvement will be in the perceptions of each poster.
he had all his guys in place last season, and they crapped the bed. Bottom tier BEast and no dance. But lets keep rinsing and repeating.
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he had all his guys in place last season, and they crapped the bed. Bottom tier BEast and no dance. But lets keep rinsing and repeating.
Next year will be the first senior class that Wojo has had at MU that he actually recruited. This isn’t hard to understand.
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Replacing Andrew Rowsey with Joseph Chatrouney and more time for Elliott alone should be worth close to a 100 point bump in our defensive rating on KenPom.
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A lot can go wrong.
But people like Whiney Will and Johnny b and ners will just complain. And then their predictions will be either way too high! (1st in BEast, National Champions, Undefeated) and then be pissed when they don't meet them.
Or way low
(Last in BEAST, CBI tourney) and then say "I TOLD YOU SO!" Or "MU GOT LUCKY, had nothing to do with Wojo!"
Next years predictions from scoopers should be interesting.
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he had all his guys in place last season, and they crapped the bed. Bottom tier BEast and no dance. But lets keep rinsing and repeating.
I haven't always been thrilled with Wojo myself, but how about an honest assessment and not hyperbole to get attention?
Your "rinsing and repeating" line is tired too.
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I believe the defensive issues were personnel related, not scheme related. MU's basic man and high ball screen action was fairly common. Having 2 sub 6 ft guards defending at the in the paint wasn't. And, IMO, the crux of the problem. Short guards and slow bigs is always going to be a recipe for disaster.
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I promise you that neither Marquette....not any other team...will cut down the nets with a switchblade again
Brother TAMU, I get that.
But doing it with a switchblade is the Warrior way!
Brother Sultan, The NCAA better find a switchblade sponsor by next April!!!!!
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1. Injuries
2. Recovery from existing injuries is slower than anticipated. Rust. Skill and strength
3. JC is not a Savior.
4. Chemistry. What happens when some guys don't get the minutes they think they deserve?
5. Wojo really can't coach.
6. It takes us an entire season to learn to shoot with the lighting of the new arena
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The Dodd's theorem.
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he had all his guys in place last season, and they crapped the bed. Bottom tier BEast and no dance. But lets keep rinsing and repeating.
OK Willie put your Big Boy pants on. You've seen Wojo's coaching deficits for 4 years and the teams talent, with that in mind What is the numbers of wins YOU SEE for the 18-19 season.
Put your talents on display here Willie: Just the number of wins as YOU SEE with Wojo coaching this team.
Simple Question. No qualifiers, just number of wins. In Wojo's 4 years I can't recall you ever posting a prediction of Win/Loss record before each season. But I might be wrong on that. Thanks Willie.
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I haven't always been thrilled with Wojo myself, but how about an honest assessment and not hyperbole to get attention?
Your "rinsing and repeating" line is tired too.
Mike Dean got fired with a 100-55 record after 5 seasons. Wojo is 73-58 after four seasons and will not come close to the five year record Mike Dean had. Marquette's all-time winning percentage is higher than Wojo's so he is under performing all the other coaches combined. I am not in the fire Wojo camp, but he needs to step up his results.
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Mike Dean got fired with a 100-55 record after 5 seasons. Wojo is 73-58 after four seasons and will not come close to the five year record Mike Dean had. Marquette's all-time winning percentage is higher than Wojo's so he is under performing all the other coaches combined. I am not in the fire Wojo camp, but he needs to step up his results.
What conference was Dean coaching in again?
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The ticket for jaywalking on 6th and WI hits too close to home.
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What conference was Dean coaching in again?
Irrelevant, but if you want to limit it only to Big East seasons Wojo is 73-58 59.54%, Buzz 137-69 66.5% and Tom Crean 69-31 69%.Wojo would have to win 43 straight games to exceed Buzz's winning percentage.
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Irrelevant, but if you want to limit it only to Big East seasons Wojo is 73-58 59.54%, Buzz 137-69 66.5% and Tom Crean 69-31 69%.Wojo would have to win 43 straight games to exceed Buzz's winning percentage.
Irrelevant?
I guess I missed all the low majors who win 25-30 games in a season who got NCAA at large bids.
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Mike Dean got fired with a 100-55 record after 5 seasons. Wojo is 73-58 after four seasons and will not come close to the five year record Mike Dean had. Marquette's all-time winning percentage is higher than Wojo's so he is under performing all the other coaches combined. I am not in the fire Wojo camp, but he needs to step up his results.
Mike Deane was trending down his last two years and was not showing signs of correcting that trend. Wojo is trending up and the recruiting outlook is solid. The results do need to improve starting this year, but I like our direction.
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Irrelevant, but if you want to limit it only to Big East seasons Wojo is 73-58 59.54%, Buzz 137-69 66.5% and Tom Crean 69-31 69%.Wojo would have to win 43 straight games to exceed Buzz's winning percentage.
I'm not really concerned with Wojo exceeding Buzz's BE winning percentage. Buzz was left with Lazar Hayward, Dominic James, Wesley Matthews, and Jerel McNeal when he took over the program. Wojo was left with Duane Wilson, Luke Fischer, Deonte Burton, Derrick Wilson, and Juan Anderson. The situations aren't even remotely comparable.
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Mike Dean got fired with a 100-55 record after 5 seasons. Wojo is 73-58 after four seasons and will not come close to the five year record Mike Dean had. Marquette's all-time winning percentage is higher than Wojo's so he is under performing all the other coaches combined. I am not in the fire Wojo camp, but he needs to step up his results.
Were you even following the program during the Deane era? Anybody who was knows what got Deane fired was simple, he won until O’Neill’s recruiting dried up. The talent level difference between Wojo’s and Deane’s recruiting is undeniable. Deane inherited a very solid group. By Big East standards, Wojo had little to work with taking over from Buzz, and a recruiting class that fell apart.
Does Wojo need to start producing more and is what he’s done thus far underwhelming? Absolutely. A pure wins/losses comparison with Deane is way over simplistic however.
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1. Injuries
2. Recovery from existing injuries is slower than anticipated. Rust. Skill and strength
3. JC is not a Savior.
4. Chemistry. What happens when some guys don't get the minutes they think they deserve?
5. Wojo really can't coach.
6. Joey averages 20/10 in November & December, gets strong NBA interest, has his "year" complete and becomes the first ever 1/2 and done, going to the NBA as a free agent in January. Wojo says something about what's in his refrigerator. Scoop erupts about defections / transfers and how it's just not right.
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7. Steve Kerr's back problems persist. Golden St. (calling him an "offensive genius") gives Wojo a 10 year, $250 million contract.
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11. Theo's going to steal Heldt's girlfriend
is she hot? pics
so glad that i'm not a famous b-ball playa
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Dean winning with O'Neil recruits = Gard winning with Bo's recruits
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Brother TAMU, I get that.
But doing it with a switchblade is the Warrior way!
Brother Sultan, The NCAA better find a switchblade sponsor by next April!!!!!
Then it's just expected...no longer the Warrior way.
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Irrelevant, but if you want to limit it only to Big East seasons Wojo is 73-58 59.54%, Buzz 137-69 66.5% and Tom Crean 69-31 69%.Wojo would have to win 43 straight games to exceed Buzz's winning percentage.
Crean was already at the helm of MU for 5 or 6 years before his teams played in the Big East. Coach Williams had an amazing team his first year because of Crean's departure. Both started from a position of strength while Coach Wojo did not.
Mike Dean got fired with a 100-55 record after 5 seasons. Wojo is 73-58 after four seasons and will not come close to the five year record Mike Dean had. Marquette's all-time winning percentage is higher than Wojo's so he is under performing all the other coaches combined. I am not in the fire Wojo camp, but he needs to step up his results.
I'd prefer looking at ratings rather than records because who you play matters. Unfortunately it is difficult to find any ratings going back to the Deane days. Sagarin Ratings start in '99, the year after Deane.
On the NCAA site they do have the RPI ratings from way back then, literally on scanned paper. https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/1995%20Final%20RPI.pdf
Deane's RPIs were 57, 22, 56, 71, 131 Deane is a classic example of waiting a few years to find out what you really have. His recruiting was not where it needed to be, especially at the end. Trajectory was not going the right way.
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OK Willie put your Big Boy pants on. You've seen Wojo's coaching deficits for 4 years and the teams talent, with that in mind What is the numbers of wins YOU SEE for the 18-19 season.
Put your talents on display here Willie: Just the number of wins as YOU SEE with Wojo coaching this team.
Simple Question. No qualifiers, just number of wins. In Wojo's 4 years I can't recall you ever posting a prediction of Win/Loss record before each season. But I might be wrong on that. Thanks Willie.
Ok. First, What he better get:
At least 25 or 26 wins, 2nd or 1st in Beast Regular season and at least BEast Championship game in tourney. At least a 3 or better seed in the Dance and at least a sweet 16 appearance. After all, according to many here, the stars are all in alignment for great things.
What they are likely to do under Wojo is 20-22 wins, about
5th in Conference and 1 win in BEast tourney, with a 7 seed in Dance and 1 and done.
There, I tried to put my big boy pants on but cannot because your head is in the way.
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Ok. First, What he better get:
At least 25 or 26 wins, 2nd or 1st in Beast Regular season and at least BEast Championship game in tourney. At least a 3 or better seed in the Dance and at least a sweet 16 appearance. After all, according to many here, the stars are all in alignment for great things.
What they are likely to do under Wojo is 20-22 wins, about
5th in Conference and 1 win in BEast tourney, with a 7 seed in Dance and 1 and done.
There, I tried to put my big boy pants on but cannot because your head is in the way.
His head is up your ass?
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Ok. First, What he better get:
At least 25 or 26 wins, 2nd or 1st in Beast Regular season and at least BEast Championship game in tourney. At least a 3 or better seed in the Dance and at least a sweet 16 appearance. After all, according to many here, the stars are all in alignment for great things.
What they are likely to do under Wojo is 20-22 wins, about
5th in Conference and 1 win in BEast tourney, with a 7 seed in Dance and 1 and done.
There, I tried to put my big boy pants on but cannot because your head is in the way.
My response is:
-- 25-26 Wins -- Stretch Goal, probably unrealistic. If we do this, we will be a Top 5 team next year and a contender for a Natchamp.
-- 22-23 Wins -- We better. If we're not three games better with JC and Ed Morrow, then we really are in trouble.
-- 3 Seed or Better -- Possible if we land 22+ wins and defeat a couple of the best teams on our schedule. Very possible if we end up defeating Kansas and/or Tennessee in the pre-season NIT and defeat Villanova at home.
-- Big East Championship Game -- Realistic but much depends on how strong Villanova, X, Butler and Seton Hall are. I really believe we stepped into this category with JC's recruitment but we still have a ton to prove.
-- Sweet 16 Appearance -- Expected. Sure, things can wrong but if we play well, meld as a team and up our defense modestly (which I believe we will) and end up a 5 seed or lower, playing into the Sweet 16 should be pretty possible.
-- Beat Depaul Twice -- Damn well better!
-- Beat Bucky -- Only if we want to keep Scoop Nation from going bonkers next winter.
I'm not Big Daddy and don't have inside insights, but after getting JC and being into the fifth year of the Wojo era, I gotta believe everyone around the program knows how important next year will be. Sure, things can and may well go wrong but the time for Wojo to show what happens when he has his guys, his team and his way is NOW. I guarantee he knows that as well.
It didn't hurt any to see Loyola and Sister Jean go as far as they did. It proves good coaching and good team work, hustle and commitment to a goal can mean great things. On paper, we're a better team and a better program than Loyola. It's time to prove it.
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Let’s not forget asteroids......
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Asteroids-arcadegame.jpg/256px-Asteroids-arcadegame.jpg)
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Ok. First, What he better get:
At least 25 or 26 wins, 2nd or 1st in Beast Regular season and at least BEast Championship game in tourney. At least a 3 or better seed in the Dance and at least a sweet 16 appearance. After all, according to many here, the stars are all in alignment for great things.
What they are likely to do under Wojo is 20-22 wins, about
5th in Conference and 1 win in BEast tourney, with a 7 seed in Dance and 1 and done.
There, I tried to put my big boy pants on but cannot because your head is in the way.
Gun to your head would you prefer the 26 wins and top 2 in big east or 5th, 22 wins and a sweet 16?
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Gun to your head would you prefer the 26 wins and top 2 in big east or 5th, 22 wins and a sweet 16?
26 wins and top 2. Tournament's a crapshoot. The regular season determines the program advancing in the proper direction.
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26 wins and top 2. Tournament's a crapshoot. The regular season determines the program advancing in the proper direction.
See that's clear to the standard poster but sadly I could see us kicking a$$ all year and losing in 64 or 32 and a certain poster still calling for wojos head saying we were terrible etc etc.
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Ok. First, What he better get:
At least 25 or 26 wins, 2nd or 1st in Beast Regular season and at least BEast Championship game in tourney. At least a 3 or better seed in the Dance and at least a sweet 16 appearance. After all, according to many here, the stars are all in alignment for great things.
What they are likely to do under Wojo is 20-22 wins, about
5th in Conference and 1 win in BEast tourney, with a 7 seed in Dance and 1 and done.
There, I tried to put my big boy pants on but cannot because your head is in the way.
OK Willie, I'll get my head out of your way so you can Talk.
First, the question was regarding YOUR prediction? NOT what he better Get. What is this like Political Pivoting. Looks like your going into your 5th year and still No prediction.
Com' on Willie, what is your Prediction of Wins/Losses for this team with Wojo coaching. Not Expectations, But Your Predictions. At this point you still haven't put on the Big Boy Pants!
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OK Willie, I'll get my head out of your way so you can Talk.
First, the question was regarding YOUR prediction? NOT what he better Get. What is this like Political Pivoting. Looks like your going into your 5th year and still No prediction.
Com' on Willie, what is your Prediction of Wins/Losses for this team with Wojo coaching. Not Expectations, But Your Predictions. At this point you still haven't put on the Big Boy Pants!
Sorry Willie, I apologize profusely, I miss your 2nd paragraph. My fault completely, I was interrupted, But No excuses, this is all on me. Big lesson learned. Thanks.
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Ok. First, What he better get:
At least 25 or 26 wins, 2nd or 1st in Beast Regular season and at least BEast Championship game in tourney. At least a 3 or better seed in the Dance and at least a sweet 16 appearance. After all, according to many here, the stars are all in alignment for great things.
What they are likely to do under Wojo is 20-22 wins, about
5th in Conference and 1 win in BEast tourney, with a 7 seed in Dance and 1 and done.
There, I tried to put my big boy pants on but cannot because your head is in the way.
Nova and Xavier had 27 wins in 2017-18.
You expect us one less win in regular season than 2 #1 seeds and a national champ??
Me: 23 wins hopefully
1st/2nd in BEast is attainable. Agree there.
Me: 3rd or better.
You expect BEAST tourney champ game? That's tough seeing as how infrequently both the 1 and 2 seeds make the final.
Me: 2 wins atleast.
NCAA seed: you expect top 3? That's a bit high but with your win expectation that's acceptable.
Me: 6 or lower. Which is a top 20 ranking.
NCAA: you expect sweet 16.
Me: shiz happens: see MSU 2 years ago, Virginia this year.
Me: hopefully sweet 16, maybe Elite 8? But could see an early exit if we get the wrong draw.
I also am hopeful for an average of half the season in the top 20-25.
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I'm not really concerned with Wojo exceeding Buzz's BE winning percentage. Buzz was left with Lazar Hayward, Dominic James, Wesley Matthews, and Jerel McNeal when he took over the program. Wojo was left with Duane Wilson, Luke Fischer, Deonte Burton, Derrick Wilson, and Juan Anderson. The situations aren't even remotely comparable.
Steve Taylor, JuJuan Johnson, Todd Mayo and John Dawson all say hi..
This all aside, no excuses for next season - even though some are already trying to float a "rust" theory 7 months before the season kicks off. Wow.
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Steve Taylor, JuJuan Johnson, Todd Mayo and John Dawson all say hi..
This all aside, no excuses for next season - even though some are already trying to float a "rust" theory 7 months before the season kicks off. Wow.
Thank you for furthering my point.
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Steve Taylor, JuJuan Johnson, Todd Mayo and John Dawson all say hi..
This all aside, no excuses for next season - even though some are already trying to float a "rust" theory 7 months before the season kicks off. Wow.
Todd Mayo wasn't an option. Wojo couldn't have kept him even if he wanted to.
There are no excuses next season....though there haven't been any excuses in past seasons either. Marquette has met expectations based on their roster every year of Wojo's tenure.
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Todd Mayo wasn't an option. Wojo couldn't have kept him even if he wanted to.
There are no excuses next season....though there haven't been any excuses in past seasons either. Marquette has met expectations based on their roster every year of Wojo's tenure.
Cool. Definitely seems like Lovell and company aren't the kind to push for excellence and/or overachievement. 4 years in and no NCAA wins, isn't exactly high standard material.
Hopefully the long leash will be rewarded beginning next season and thereafter and Wojo guides us to consistent NCAA tourney appearances year in and out.
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Cool. Definitely seems like Lovell and company aren't the kind to push for excellence and/or overachievement. 4 years in and no NCAA wins, isn't exactly high standard material.
Hopefully the long leash will be rewarded beginning next season and thereafter and Wojo guides us to consistent NCAA tourney appearances year in and out.
And in none of those 4 years has Marquette been projected to even making the tournament. So KenPom would say that Marquette has overchieved just by making it!
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And in none of those 4 years has Marquette been projected to even making the tournament. So KenPom would say that Marquette has overchieved just by making it!
Yea...I'd imagine with all of the roster instability year over year since Wojo arrived, that resulted in preseason expectations being mediocre thus far under Wojo. As Wojo lamented all year long, in his 4th year at the helm, we were inexperienced this past season.
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And in none of those 4 years has Marquette been projected to even making the tournament. So KenPom would say that Marquette has overchieved just by making it!
Your patience in this argument is to be commended.
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Yea...I'd imagine with all of the roster instability year over year since Wojo arrived, that resulted in preseason expectations being mediocre thus far under Wojo. As Wojo lamented all year long, in his 4th year at the helm, we were inexperienced this past season.
What roster instability? We've been right at the national average for the past few years. Rome wasn't built in a day Brother Ners, our Rome should be coming to completion next year (and improved upon the following year). And if it isn't, then it will be time to find a new architect
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Your patience in this argument is to be commended.
He is going to be a great father. Already having experience dealing with immature teenagers.
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And another halfway decent thread gets de-railed with a Buzz/Wojo thing. You guys are something else, it just never ends.
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And another halfway decent thread gets de-railed with a Buzz/Wojo thing. You guys are something else, it just never ends.
No, there is ONE guy who pollutes even single thread with the same arguments over and over and over and over and over. It never ends.
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His head is up your ass?
Winner winner.
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And another halfway decent thread gets de-railed with a Buzz/Wojo thing. You guys are something else, it just never ends.
Your hyperbole isn't helping.
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He is going to be a great father. Already having experience dealing with immature teenagers.
Teenagers? Man, he’s ready for that terror of all terrors - the inquisitive 3-year-old!
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Winner winner.
You're into some kinky stuff brother Willie
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And in none of those 4 years has Marquette been projected to even making the tournament. So KenPom would say that Marquette has overchieved just by making it!
Marquette first appeared in the NCAA tournament in 1954-55. No coach since then has gone 4 straight years without making the tournament. I'm grateful that Wojo has "overachieved" to avoid that dubious distinction but would feel better if overachievement hadn't been necessary.
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No, there is ONE guy who pollutes even single thread with the same arguments over and over and over and over and over. It never ends.
You mad bro? Can’t handle an opinion different than your own and it results in you resorting to the juvenile usage of “dumbass.” Grow up.
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What roster instability? We've been right at the national average for the past few years. Rome wasn't built in a day Brother Ners, our Rome should be coming to completion next year (and improved upon the following year). And if it isn't, then it will be time to find a new architect
There’s no problem being at the national average in roster instability, so long as you can produce. I look at Jamie Dixon, Kelvin Sampson, Buzz, Chris Beard, Counzo Martin - all those guys have turned awful programs around in less time than Wojo.
Now, things look good for next year, and there is some hope. So, perhaps the patience of a less than stellar 4-year beginning to the Wojo regime will pay off.
He’s doing well on the recruiting front..just hope we have enough toughness and athleticism to win at the NCAA tourney level.
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There’s no problem being at the national average in roster instability, so long as you can produce. I look at Jamie Dixon, Kelvin Sampson, Buzz, Chris Beard, Counzo Martin - all those guys have turned awful programs around in less time than Wojo.
Dixon - Fantastic coach great example
Sampson - Known cheater who loses a bunch to graduation and will likely miss the tournament again
Buzz - Fantastic coach great example
Beard - Inherited a team that made the NCAAs the year before but also a solid coach...though he loses a lot to graduation and may miss the tourney next year
Cuonzo - Burned Cal's program to the ground in three year. Cut a big fart and walked out of the room
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What can still go wrong?
Too much talent.
Former North Stars GM Lou Nanne used that as an excuse more than once!
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Dixon - Fantastic coach great example
Sampson - Known cheater who loses a bunch to graduation and will likely miss the tournament again
Buzz - Fantastic coach great example
Beard - Inherited a team that made the NCAAs the year before but also a solid coach...though he loses a lot to graduation and may miss the tourney next year
Cuonzo - Burned Cal's program to the ground in three year. Cut a big fart and walked out of the room
Not impressed at all with him either. Thankful he didn't end up at MU.
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Marquette first appeared in the NCAA tournament in 1954-55. No coach since then has gone 4 straight years without making the tournament. I'm grateful that Wojo has "overachieved" to avoid that dubious distinction but would feel better if overachievement hadn't been necessary.
Dukiet did
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Dukiet did
Only coached 3 seasons at Marquette.
Thank goodness.
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Only coached 3 seasons at Marquette.
Thank goodness.
Majerus too and like Dukiet, no NCAA appearances as head coach- three NIT seasons, 1 quarterfinal loss at IU that stings to this day to me! Believe it was double OT loss.
Unlike Dukiet, too bad his stay as HC was so short.
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Marquette first appeared in the NCAA tournament in 1954-55. No coach since then has gone 4 straight years without making the tournament. I'm grateful that Wojo has "overachieved" to avoid that dubious distinction but would feel better if overachievement hadn't been necessary.
Not sure I understand, but maybe it is how you worded it.
Eddie Hickey made it in 1960-61 and not again until Al McGuire in '67-68. That's more than 4 straight years, but because Hickey made it already are you saying that rings the bell for your statement?
Hank last made it in '83, we went 10 straight years and several coaches (Majerus, Dukiet) and O'Neill's 4th year until finally making it back in '93.
Is it because it had to be the same coach, because certainly as a program we missed it. Not sure I understand the difference really. Those other coaches were dismissed or left on their own because of their own poor trajectory. Wojo's trajectory has been solid.
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Not sure I understand, but maybe it is how you worded it.
Eddie Hickey made it in 1960-61 and not again until Al McGuire in '67-68. That's more than 4 straight years, but because Hickey made it already are you saying that rings the bell for your statement?
Hank last made it in '83, we went 10 straight years and several coaches (Majerus, Dukiet) and O'Neill's 4th year until finally making it back in '93.
Is it because it had to be the same coach, because certainly as a program we missed it. Not sure I understand the difference really. Those other coaches were dismissed or left on their own because of their own poor trajectory. Wojo's trajectory has been solid.
Sorry you were unable to understand. 82 and others did. I suggest you reread.
My point is simple. TAMU's main measuring stick re performance is "meeting expectations". Wojo's "expectations" during his tenure have been - no tournament, no tournament, NIT, NIT. Meeting said expectations would have made Wojo the only COACH at MU to go 4 consecutive years without making the NCAA since we first made it in 1955. Wojo made it a moot point by "overachieving" and making the tournament in his 3rd year. Had he not, some wouldn't have blinked. Others would have wondered why expectations were so low for so long.
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Sorry you were unable to understand. 82 and others did. I suggest you reread.
I guess I fall into the bucket of Sand Knit and Hutchwasclutch as we answered your question and must have read it differently. Maybe you and 82 have a kinetic connection. Batman and Robin :D
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I guess I fall into the bucket of Sand Knit and Hutchwasclutch as we answered your question and must have read it differently. Maybe you and 82 have a kinetic connection. Batman and Robin :D
Think you also misread Hutch's post. He obviously "got" my post and (like '82) added color for those who didn't. Afraid you're only in the bucket with Sand Knit on this one, though his was a slight misunderstanding rather than a total one.
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Expectations
Last year in non-conference we were 9-3. I believe we will play 13 non-conference games this year. I see losing two games in NY. I predict 10-3.
I do not see us going 0-6 against Villanova, Xavier & Butler. I predict 11-7 in conference and it could easily be better, if we can manage not to lose DePaul and St. John's. 1-1 in Big East tournament and 1-1 in NCAA. 23-12.
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Expectations
I see losing two games in NY.
Have you seen what Louisville's roster is looking like next season? Unless they secure some serious grad transfers we will be heavily favored on a neutral court.
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We're gonna make Brooklyn our playground again, just like we did in Henry's year ... especially if Mrs. 82 and I make an appearance!
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OK Willie, I'll get my head out of your way so you can Talk.
First, the question was regarding YOUR prediction? NOT what he better Get. What is this like Political Pivoting. Looks like your going into your 5th year and still No prediction.
Com' on Willie, what is your Prediction of Wins/Losses for this team with Wojo coaching. Not Expectations, But Your Predictions. At this point you still haven't put on the Big Boy Pants!
I gave it to you in the 2nd half of post. Reading is fundamental
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I gave it to you in the 2nd half of post. Reading is fundamental
Sorry Willie, I apologize profusely, I miss your 2nd paragraph. My fault completely, I was interrupted, But No excuses, this is all on me. Big lesson learned. Thanks.
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Who will transfer mid year?
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Welp, we made it through the supposed April 23 rapture. So we can check that one off the list of possibilities.
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They name the Chaluparena after Badger Liquors. That would be something that went very, very wrong.
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1. Injuries
2. Recovery from existing injuries is slower than anticipated. Rust. Skill and strength
3. JC is not a Savior.
4. Chemistry. What happens when some guys don't get the minutes they think they deserve?
5. Wojo really can't coach.
More sexual harassment (or worse). This is not an experience the school wants to face again....
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The D still sucks. Does the scheme stay the same with the belief that JC makes it way better? Or is there an actual scheme change?
Great Question.
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Great Question.
With Ed and JC it shouldn't suck. Not elite but won't suck.