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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: genious expert on April 13, 2018, 08:27:46 AM
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His team won last night. He finished with 21pts and 9ast.
You can watch the replay here:
http://netcastsports.com/Video/Watch/fPIBWtQujpg
or follow @PITourney on twitter for updates
Next game is tonight at 9PM EST
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Everyone should do themselves a favor and skip ahead to the 57 minute mark and watch until the next timeout.
Also, #TheThing around the 60 min mark
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Those announcers were awful. "Call the doctor, he's lighting it up"?
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Those announcers were awful. "Call the doctor, he's lighting it up"?
Was it Dickey Simpkins?
Though his call would be HashtagCallTheDoctor
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Those announcers were awful. "Call the doctor, he's lighting it up"?
Call the locksmith, this guy's on fire!
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Call the baker, he's on a roll!
Oh wait.
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Call the locksmith, this guy's on fire!
LOL
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Terrible announcers notwithstanding, it is awesome that Portsmouth Invitational games are even available to watch online. College basketball fans eked by on crumbs of information before the internet and streaming video.
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Isn't Andrew supposed to be in school? 8-)
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Yeah, he signed up four won of them lakeviews at Wild, hey?
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Isn't Andrew supposed to be in school? 8-)
Ain't nobody got time for that.
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Call the doctor. This guy is on fire. He is certainly lit.
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Isn't Andrew supposed to be in school? 8-)
Already graduated from undergrad I believe.
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Call the doctor. This guy is shooting very accurately from long range.
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Call the constitutional monarchy, cuz this guy's making it reign.
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20 points, 3 assists last night. Team won.
Overall stats for tournament through two games - Rowsey 2nd in scoring, 5th in Assists, 11th in shooting percentage.
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/9dbc28_6e3624dc53fb46cdbe32ae811d252a49.pdf
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20 points, 3 assists last night. Team won.
Overall stats for tournament through two games - Rowsey 2nd in scoring, 5th in Assists, 11th in shooting percentage.
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/9dbc28_6e3624dc53fb46cdbe32ae811d252a49.pdf
The more i think about it the more I could see him getting a couple 10 day contracts. He really improved as a PG and obviously can score. He just needs to show SOME effort on the defensive end.
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The more i think about it the more I could see him getting a couple 10 day contracts. He really improved as a PG and obviously can score. He just needs to show SOME effort on the defensive end.
Some of my "favorite" posters here laughed off the notion that I felt Rowsey might get a look in the NBA.
He's extremely talented. These same favorite posters here greatly underestimate what he brought to the team last year - which is why I'm not nearly as bullish on next year's team as Wojo's fanboys.
2nd best value add season at MU in the last 17 years. Second only to D-Wade. Now showing out quite well at Portsmouth. He'll get a look.
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In the NBA, you are who you can guard. For Rowdy, that is nobody. He is one of the greatest offensive players to ever wear blue and gold... And one of the worst defensive ones. Love him, appreciate him and will miss him terribly, but I don't see him ever making the association
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Dude will bee unstoppable at da Y on Saturday mornin's, hey?
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Good for Andrew. I loved him as a Golden Eagle. I don't see him playing in the NBA. To me, he is akin to Davante Gardner. Prolific scorer. Too small to defend his position in the league. Unable to score against the athletic size he is likely to see every night in the NBA. Ox struggled against athletic, strong 6'11 guys, which is every post defender in the NBA. Andrew struggles against quick 6'5 guys on both ends of the floor, which is nearly every guard in the league. If Brunson isn't a lottery pick and some question his long term prospects in the league, how can you say with a straight face that Rowsey has a legit shot? Has a world class skill. Will struggle to use it against taller, quicker defenders, just like Davante. And, like Davante, I think he will get paid to play overseas.
But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate everything he brought to MU. Love the guy.
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Good for Andrew. I loved him as a Golden Eagle. I don't see him playing in the NBA. To me, he is akin to Davante Gardner. Prolific scorer. Too small to defend his position in the league. Unable to score against the athletic size he is likely to see every night in the NBA. Ox struggled against athletic, strong 6'11 guys, which is every post defender in the NBA. Andrew struggles against quick 6'5 guys on both ends of the floor, which is nearly every guard in the league. If Brunson isn't a lottery pick and some question his long term prospects in the league, how can you say with a straight face that Rowsey has a legit shot? Has a world class skill. Will struggle to use it against taller, quicker defenders, just like Davante. And, like Davante, I think he will get paid to play overseas.
But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate everything he brought to MU. Love the guy.
Probably play in Europe.
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Probably play in Europe.
Agreed.
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Good for Andrew. I loved him as a Golden Eagle. I don't see him playing in the NBA. To me, he is akin to Davante Gardner. Prolific scorer. Too small to defend his position in the league. Unable to score against the athletic size he is likely to see every night in the NBA. Ox struggled against athletic, strong 6'11 guys, which is every post defender in the NBA. Andrew struggles against quick 6'5 guys on both ends of the floor, which is nearly every guard in the league. If Brunson isn't a lottery pick and some question his long term prospects in the league, how can you say with a straight face that Rowsey has a legit shot? Has a world class skill. Will struggle to use it against taller, quicker defenders, just like Davante. And, like Davante, I think he will get paid to play overseas.
But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate everything he brought to MU. Love the guy.
There is a whole lot of truth going on in your post.
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11th in shooting percentage.
What is the relevance of shooting percentage? #NoMatta
1st in shooting percentage = 64.3% compared to AR's 52.0%... but eFG% is only a 67.9% to 66.0% edge.
eFG% reigns supreme.
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Good luck in Lithuania.
He will see 0 NBA minutes in his life, which there is nothing wrong with.
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Good for Andrew. I loved him as a Golden Eagle. I don't see him playing in the NBA. To me, he is akin to Davante Gardner. Prolific scorer. Too small to defend his position in the league. Unable to score against the athletic size he is likely to see every night in the NBA. Ox struggled against athletic, strong 6'11 guys, which is every post defender in the NBA. Andrew struggles against quick 6'5 guys on both ends of the floor, which is nearly every guard in the league. If Brunson isn't a lottery pick and some question his long term prospects in the league, how can you say with a straight face that Rowsey has a legit shot? Has a world class skill. Will struggle to use it against taller, quicker defenders, just like Davante. And, like Davante, I think he will get paid to play overseas.
But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate everything he brought to MU. Love the guy.
I can also agree with this assessment. However, I don't think it is absurd to think Rowsey might get a few looks in the NBA.
And..it is a credit to Wojo for recruiting him to MU - and seeing the potential.
Rowsey goes on my favorite players at MU list along with Davante, Jae, and Aaron Hutchins.
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I can also agree with this assessment. However, I don't think it is absurd to think Rowsey might get a few looks in the NBA.
And..it is a credit to Wojo for recruiting him to MU - and seeing the potential.
Rowsey goes on my favorite players at MU list along with Davante, Jae, and Aaron Hutchins.
If Rowsey goes G League route it is possible he could be a prolific scorer
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If Archie DeAcano (spelling) can get a 2 way contract.....Rowsey certainly should be able to.....
He has a talent NBA teams value and unlike most in college basketball.....He already has pro range +.......
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If Archie DeAcano (spelling) can get a 2 way contract.....Rowsey certainly should be able to.....
Why? Archie is a better player.
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Why? Archie is a better player.
Ryan pretty good, too, hey.
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If Archie DeAcano (spelling) can get a 2 way contract.....Rowsey certainly should be able to.....
First, his first name is Ryan, not Archie, and the last name spelling I believe is Arciadiacono.
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Archie Bunker wuz pretty good two doe, hey?
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Why? Archie is a better player.
On what basis?
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On what basis?
I'll bite...
1) don't lump me in with these rowsey haters you are talking about? Because I think he's amazing and will miss him next year very much.
2) ryan could defend.
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I'll bite...
1) don't lump me in with these rowsey haters you are talking about? Because I think he's amazing and will miss him next year very much.
2) ryan could defend.
Rowsey is just the next guy that Ners humps in every post. He has no clue.
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Rowsey is just the next guy that Ners humps in every post. He has no clue.
After bashing Wojo for bringing him aboard and saying John Magic Johnson Dawson was a better player than him.
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After bashing Wojo for bringing him aboard and saying John Magic Johnson Dawson was a better player than him.
You got it.
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First, his first name is Ryan, not Archie, and the last name spelling I believe is Arciadiacono.
We were just a few feet from "Archie" at the Bulls game a few days ago. He is significantly larger than Rowsey.
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Why? Archie is a better player.
Yep. Not even a doubt there.
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Rowsey's team lost the Final, 91-90. He had a disappointing night, 2/8 from the field for 4 points, but did manage 9 assists and just one turnover. Final stats:
PPG: 15.0 (Tied for 14th)
RPG: 2.7 (Tied for 61st)
APG: 7.0 (5th)
TPG: 2.0
3PFG%: 38.9% (7/18)
eFG%: 56.1%
FT%: 88.9% (No Matta)
MPG: 26.3 (Tied for 29th)
Seems like Rowsey certainly played an effective point guard. Scored efficiently, created for others, didn't turn it over. He was one of 12 members named to the PIT All-Tourney Team. If a few more shots had fallen in the final he may have come away with MVP honors which instead went to Jaylen Barford. Good showing, hopefully it helps him to a successful professional career, wherever he ends up.
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After bashing Wojo for bringing him aboard and saying John Magic Johnson Dawson was a better player than him.
How did that Predicted Sweet 16 appearance go for you in Year 4 of Wojo era? Do we need to pull your outlandish predictions on what Wojo would achieve by Year 4 and 5?
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After bashing Wojo for bringing him aboard and saying John Magic Johnson Dawson was a better player than him.
Who plays in the G League...
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Who plays in the G League...
You say that like it's somehow impressive. He averages 4.3 ppg in 14.8 mpg. He's a deep bench backup in the G League. The only way he ever gets close to the NBA is if someone buys him a ticket.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/John-Dawson/Summary/57006
Almost all his statistical averages are lower than the average G League SG, and let's face it, the AVERAGE G League SG isn't close to the NBA.
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/John-Dawson/Bests/57006
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How did that Predicted Sweet 16 appearance go for you in Year 4 of Wojo era? Do we need to pull your outlandish predictions on what Wojo would achieve by Year 4 and 5?
Please do. Don’t recall any prediction about 4 years down the road but I’d love to see it.
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Who plays in the G League...
Congrats? That’s not really an accomplishment. I haven’t even heard of about half of the Wisconsin Heard roster.
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Who plays in the G League...
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2017/10/22/16516454/marquette-golden-eagles-derrick-wilson-wally-ellenson-2017-nba-g-league-draft
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https://www.anonymouseagle.com/platform/amp/2017/10/22/16516454/marquette-golden-eagles-derrick-wilson-wally-ellenson-2017-nba-g-league-draft
Who never played a minute..
Most of G-League rosters, guys getting minutes, are guys who were very good college basketball players.
Yet again, another thread where I don't bring up John Dawson, but the usual suspects just can't help themselves.
And Rowsey blew away Ryan Acridiacano's numbers as seniors. To say Ryan A was a much better player is just stupid. What Ryan A has over Rowsey is height. Nothing more. And not nearly the shooter.
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Who never played a minute..
Most of G-League rosters, guys getting minutes, are guys who were very good college basketball players.
Yet again, another thread where I don't bring up John Dawson, but the usual suspects just can't help themselves.
And Rowsey blew away Ryan Acridiacano's numbers as seniors. To say Ryan A was a much better player is just stupid. What Ryan A has over Rowsey is height. Nothing more. And not nearly the shooter.
So you think Rowsey is a better defender than Arcidiacono? For someone who pretends to be the smartest basketball mind on Scoop...yikes.
One guy was a Big East POY. The other was an Honorable Mention All BE player. Now not only does Ners know better than Bazz and Wojo, but also every BE coach.
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Basketball is played on two sides of the court.
Arci put up his numbers for a national champion. Rowdy for an NIT 2 seed. That is an important distinction
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So you think Rowsey is a better defender than Arcidiacono? For someone who pretends to be the smartest basketball mind on Scoop...yikes.
One guy was a Big East POY. The other was an Honorable Mention All BE player. Now not only does Ners know better than Bazz and Wojo, but also every BE coach.
Well one player played under Wojo, and the other Jay Wright, surrounded by athletic, physical studs.
But yes, Ryan A, a better defender - Rowsey a much better offensive player - by a long shot.
Wonder what Value Add numbers would say?
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Good for Andrew. I hope the exposure helps him find work next year.
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Well one player played under Wojo, and the other Jay Wright, surrounded by athletic, physical studs.
But yes, Ryan A, a better defender - Rowsey a much better offensive player - by a long shot.
Wonder what Value Add numbers would say?
What does who he played for have anything to do with where he finished in BE awards? Interesting response.
And so when you said that Arci had “height on Rowsey and nothing else,” you didn’t actually mean he had nothing but height on Rowsey? Odd.
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What does who he played for have anything to do with where he finished in BE awards? Interesting response.
And so when you said that Arci had “height on Rowsey and nothing else,” you didn’t actually mean he had nothing but height on Rowsey? Odd.
Playing for a guy who can actually coach, does make a difference. Furthermore, being surrounded by studs, who can play and are physical enough to compete at Big East highest level matters.
And yes, what Ryan A has over Rowsey was size, and of course the above mentioned better surrounding cast and coach.
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And Rowsey blew away Ryan Acridiacano's numbers as seniors. To say Ryan A was a much better player is just stupid. What Ryan A has over Rowsey is height. Nothing more. And not nearly the shooter.
Hmm...interesting take. Let's explore that theory.
Senior offensive efficiency: Arcidiacono 119.9 / Rowsey 118.3 Advantage Arcidiacono
Senior eFG%: Arcidiacono 54.7% / Rowsey 54.6% Advantage Arcidiacono
Assist Rate: Arcidiacono 24.1% / Rowsey 28.6% Advantage Rowsey
Turnover Rate: Arcidiacono 14.1% / Rowsey 16.4% Advantage Arcidiacono
2PFG%: Arcidiacono 50.0% / Rowsey 42.8% Advantage Arcidiacono
3PFG%: Arcidiacono 39.4% / Rowsey 41.5% Advantage Rowsey
Now granted, Rowsey had much higher usage, but it's pretty clear that Arcidiacono was actually slightly better as a shooter based on his vastly superior 2PFG% that led to an advantage in eFG%. He was more efficient overall because he also turned it over less frequently. I was surprised how close the 3PFG% was. Archie's assist rate was a bit lower than I'd have expected, but I suspect that's because he was playing alongside Brunson and Booth who also had pretty respectable assist rates.
At the end of the day, higher efficiency indicates Arcidiacono was a slightly better offensive player and higher eFG% indicates Arcidiacono was a slightly better shooter in their senior years. The only real advantage for Rowsey was his usage rate which led to the higher scoring totals, but when you couple in Arcidiacono's significantly better defense, it's hard to argue Rowsey as a better player by almost any metric.
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Playing for a guy who can actually coach, does make a difference. Furthermore, being surrounded by studs, who can play and are physical enough to compete at Big East highest level matters.
And yes, what Ryan A has over Rowsey was size, and of course the above mentioned better surrounding cast and coach.
So how did Shamorie Ponds make First Team All Big East?
Arci was BE POY, the starting point guard for a National Champion, and the guy Jay Wright attributes for helping to set the culture of a 2 time National Champion program in the past 3 years. Rowsey was the second or third best player on the seventh best team in the BE.
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Hmm...interesting take. Let's explore that theory.
Senior offensive efficiency: Arcidiacono 119.9 / Rowsey 118.3 Advantage Arcidiacono
Senior eFG%: Arcidiacono 54.7% / Rowsey 54.6% Advantage Arcidiacono
Assist Rate: Arcidiacono 24.1% / Rowsey 28.6% Advantage Rowsey
Turnover Rate: Arcidiacono 14.1% / Rowsey 16.4% Advantage Arcidiacono
2PFG%: Arcidiacono 50.0% / Rowsey 42.8% Advantage Arcidiacono
3PFG%: Arcidiacono 39.4% / Rowsey 41.5% Advantage Rowsey
Now granted, Rowsey had much higher usage, but it's pretty clear that Arcidiacono was actually slightly better as a shooter based on his vastly superior 2PFG% that led to an advantage in eFG%. He was more efficient overall because he also turned it over less frequently. I was surprised how close the 3PFG% was. Archie's assist rate was a bit lower than I'd have expected, but I suspect that's because he was playing alongside Brunson and Booth who also had pretty respectable assist rates.
At the end of the day, higher efficiency indicates Arcidiacono was a slightly better offensive player and higher eFG% indicates Arcidiacono was a slightly better shooter in their senior years. The only real advantage for Rowsey was his usage rate which led to the higher scoring totals, but when you couple in Arcidiacono's significantly better defense, it's hard to argue Rowsey as a better player by almost any metric.
Arcidiacono was also a much better defender. If I were to pick one, it would easily be Archie.
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Hmm...interesting take. Let's explore that theory.
Senior offensive efficiency: Arcidiacono 119.9 / Rowsey 118.3 Advantage Arcidiacono
Senior eFG%: Arcidiacono 54.7% / Rowsey 54.6% Advantage Arcidiacono
Assist Rate: Arcidiacono 24.1% / Rowsey 28.6% Advantage Rowsey
Turnover Rate: Arcidiacono 14.1% / Rowsey 16.4% Advantage Arcidiacono
2PFG%: Arcidiacono 50.0% / Rowsey 42.8% Advantage Arcidiacono
3PFG%: Arcidiacono 39.4% / Rowsey 41.5% Advantage Rowsey
Now granted, Rowsey had much higher usage, but it's pretty clear that Arcidiacono was actually slightly better as a shooter based on his vastly superior 2PFG% that led to an advantage in eFG%. He was more efficient overall because he also turned it over less frequently. I was surprised how close the 3PFG% was. Archie's assist rate was a bit lower than I'd have expected, but I suspect that's because he was playing alongside Brunson and Booth who also had pretty respectable assist rates.
At the end of the day, higher efficiency indicates Arcidiacono was a slightly better offensive player and higher eFG% indicates Arcidiacono was a slightly better shooter in their senior years. The only real advantage for Rowsey was his usage rate which led to the higher scoring totals, but when you couple in Arcidiacono's significantly better defense, it's hard to argue Rowsey as a better player by almost any metric.
You'd think after years of posts like these that I would tire of them and Ners would learn from them.
But I don't and he doesn't. Which is fun!
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Hmm...interesting take. Let's explore that theory.
Senior offensive efficiency: Arcidiacono 119.9 / Rowsey 118.3 Advantage Arcidiacono
Senior eFG%: Arcidiacono 54.7% / Rowsey 54.6% Advantage Arcidiacono
Assist Rate: Arcidiacono 24.1% / Rowsey 28.6% Advantage Rowsey
Turnover Rate: Arcidiacono 14.1% / Rowsey 16.4% Advantage Arcidiacono
2PFG%: Arcidiacono 50.0% / Rowsey 42.8% Advantage Arcidiacono
3PFG%: Arcidiacono 39.4% / Rowsey 41.5% Advantage Rowsey
Now granted, Rowsey had much higher usage, but it's pretty clear that Arcidiacono was actually slightly better as a shooter based on his vastly superior 2PFG% that led to an advantage in eFG%. He was more efficient overall because he also turned it over less frequently. I was surprised how close the 3PFG% was. Archie's assist rate was a bit lower than I'd have expected, but I suspect that's because he was playing alongside Brunson and Booth who also had pretty respectable assist rates.
At the end of the day, higher efficiency indicates Arcidiacono was a slightly better offensive player and higher eFG% indicates Arcidiacono was a slightly better shooter in their senior years. The only real advantage for Rowsey was his usage rate which led to the higher scoring totals, but when you couple in Arcidiacono's significantly better defense, it's hard to argue Rowsey as a better player by almost any metric.
A 10% differential is usage rate is HUGE. Rowsey’s Free Throw Rate 10% higher.
I know you know better than to try to minimize a 10% usage differential.
Sultan made another dumb blanket statement. Suggesting Ryan A, with a much better coach and supporting cast, was better than Rowsey despite a 10 percent less usage..and inability to put up better stats than Rowsey is..stupid.
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On offense I would take Rowdy over Archie.
As a total basketball player I would take Archie.
One of these statements is more important than the other
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A 10% differential is usage rate is HUGE. Rowsey’s Free Throw Rate 10% higher.
I know you know better than to try to minimize a 10% usage differential.
Sultan made another dumb blanket statement. Suggesting Ryan A, with a much better coach and supporting cast, was better than Rowsey despite a 10 percent less usage..and inability to put up better stats than Rowsey is..stupid.
Rowsey also played marginally more minutes, but it was about equal. The usage explains why Rowsey scored more. Strictly on offense, I'd still take Rowsey despite Archie shooting the ball better (which you either lied or were ignorant of) but there is no question whatsoever that Arcidiacono was a far, far better overall player. Vastly superior overall player. That I can even make a salient argument that Arcidiacono was a comparable offensive player (which his efficiency and eFG% in comparable minutes would indicate) is an indicator of how much better a player Archie was, because on the other end, Archie was good and Rowsey was virtually non-existent.
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Rowsey also played marginally more minutes, but it was about equal. The usage explains why Rowsey scored more. Strictly on offense, I'd still take Rowsey despite Archie shooting the ball better (which you either lied or were ignorant of) but there is no question whatsoever that Arcidiacono was a far, far better overall player. Vastly superior overall player. That I can even make a salient argument that Arcidiacono was a comparable offensive player (which his efficiency and eFG% in comparable minutes would indicate) is an indicator of how much better a player Archie was, because on the other end, Archie was good and Rowsey was virtually non-existent.
If Archie shooting the ball "better" based on a .01% advantage over Rowsey, while having a 10% lower usage and shot percentage is what you base your "salient" point off of them being comparable offensive players..well..knock yourself out.
You of all people know that increased usage leads to reduced efficiency.
Hell by virtue of your argument, Sam Hauser should have been Big East POY as he had similar usage and same shots percentage of Ryan A and a much better O-Rating...
Usage matters. Take Ryan A up to 30% usage and his eFG numbers would fall off markedly. And he was surrounded by much better talent at Nova.
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Please do. Don’t recall any prediction about 4 years down the road but I’d love to see it.
I'll spend a bit more time and find your specific post out of 9,860 talking about Sweet 16s under Wojo come Year 4, but here is a gem from January 1, 2015:
Take It To The Bank
« on: January 01, 2015, 06:22:46 PM »
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A lot of silly posters around here crying about where we're at as a program and questioning Wojo's coaching. Some have said Wojo must think he can just show up and the Duke connection will just lead to MU becoming Duke. You can put all your money on 2 things. 1) Wojo isn't relying on any sort of past to get him to where he'd like to be in the future. 2) In 2 seasons we'll be much closer to Duke than we are to what we saw last season and what we'll see the rest of this season.
Take this season for what it is. A transition year. Wojo looks for different things in a player than what Bert did. Doesn't make 1 better than the other. Just different. There are different ways to win. You could tell from day 1 that a guy like Burton wasn't going to fly with Wojo if he didn't change his style of play. From the coming out and clearly being unhappy with the performance at Madness to the disgusted look on his face when Burton missed a crowd pleasing dunk while up about 50 vs. Wisconsin Lutheran College you can tell Wojo demands fundamental play from everyone regardless of whether it's a pickup game or a National Championship game. I, for one, am perfectly fine with that. Right now he has 1 player who Bert recruited that Wojo decided he could mold into a player he would like to see and a 1 year rental. Wojo chose more or less none of the players on this roster. I have heard from multiple people the sentiment of "just wait until he had his players in and he'll have this program where it hasn't been since the 70s." Maybe it's just Duke favoritism, but I have a feeling these people will be proven right. He has a vision and his first recruiting class shows he also has a plan.
This year will be more frustrating than any in a while. But after this we will see the transformation of a program. And it's going to be a joy.
R-E-L-A-X
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I'll spend a bit more time and find your specific post out of 9,860 talking about Sweet 16s under Wojo come Year 4, but here is a gem from January 1, 2015:
Take It To The Bank
« on: January 01, 2015, 06:22:46 PM »
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A lot of silly posters around here crying about where we're at as a program and questioning Wojo's coaching. Some have said Wojo must think he can just show up and the Duke connection will just lead to MU becoming Duke. You can put all your money on 2 things. 1) Wojo isn't relying on any sort of past to get him to where he'd like to be in the future. 2) In 2 seasons we'll be much closer to Duke than we are to what we saw last season and what we'll see the rest of this season.
Take this season for what it is. A transition year. Wojo looks for different things in a player than what Bert did. Doesn't make 1 better than the other. Just different. There are different ways to win. You could tell from day 1 that a guy like Burton wasn't going to fly with Wojo if he didn't change his style of play. From the coming out and clearly being unhappy with the performance at Madness to the disgusted look on his face when Burton missed a crowd pleasing dunk while up about 50 vs. Wisconsin Lutheran College you can tell Wojo demands fundamental play from everyone regardless of whether it's a pickup game or a National Championship game. I, for one, am perfectly fine with that. Right now he has 1 player who Bert recruited that Wojo decided he could mold into a player he would like to see and a 1 year rental. Wojo chose more or less none of the players on this roster. I have heard from multiple people the sentiment of "just wait until he had his players in and he'll have this program where it hasn't been since the 70s." Maybe it's just Duke favoritism, but I have a feeling these people will be proven right. He has a vision and his first recruiting class shows he also has a plan.
This year will be more frustrating than any in a while. But after this we will see the transformation of a program. And it's going to be a joy.
R-E-L-A-X
So what you’re saying is you made up your story? Got it. Thanks for confirming.
I’d say the results confirmed we were closer to Duke than the 13-19 first year record Wojo had due to an entirely bare cupboard Bazz left. So again, thanks for providing a quote that has nothing to do with what you claim I said. 2 years after that quote, which was coming off of a 13-19 season, we were an NCAA Tournament team losing to the same opponent Duke lost to a whopping one round earlier than Duke lost to them. So, that checks out. Appreciate it!
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If Archie shooting the ball "better" based on a .01% advantage over Rowsey, while having a 10% lower usage and shot percentage is what you base your "salient" point off of them being comparable offensive players..well..knock yourself out.
You of all people know that increased usage leads to reduced efficiency.
Yes, but you made the same kind of stupid, over-the-top statement you always do without the benefit of actual accurate facts:
And Rowsey blew away Ryan Acridiacano's numbers as seniors. To say Ryan A was a much better player is just stupid. What Ryan A has over Rowsey is height. Nothing more. And not nearly the shooter.
You can't honestly say he blew him away when they played comparable minutes and Arcidiacono had a higher efficiency and eFG%. Yes, Rowsey had better raw numbers due to his usage, but when you look at their advanced numbers, they are very similar. I do believe Rowsey was a better offensive player. I'd probably say that at the position, Rowsey was a 9/10 and Arcidiacono was an 8/10. Was Rowey better? Sure. But he didn't blow the doors off Archie and saying "not nearly the shooter" when Archie edged him in eFG% and destroyed him in 2PFG% is just silly.
Hell by virtue of your argument, Sam Hauser should have been Big East POY as he had similar usage and same shots percentage of Ryan A and a much better O-Rating...
POY? No. That's not even really an argument because you have to consider the year they played, not simply the statistical comparison. Brunson's comparable efficiency with higher usage made him the clear POY both in the league and nationally. However, I do think that Hauser got the shaft. I'd argue he was our MVP and at worst should've been second team All-Big East (and I think there's a good argument for first team ahead of Ponds).
Usage matters. Take Ryan A up to 30% usage and his eFG numbers would fall off markedly. And he was surrounded by much better talent at Nova.
It does, but acting like Arcidiacono wasn't a good shooter and wasn't a high-efficiency player as a senior is simply disingenuous. And acting like the 5 inches he has on Rowsey and the clear defensive superiority isn't important is simply ridiculous. Let's not forget that part of the reason his usage was so low was for that exact reason of the better talent around him.
Part of catching on in the NBA is understanding a role and fitting in with better talent around you. Especially when you project as an end-of-the-roster player. Arcidiacono proved he could do that at Villanova when he thrived in a role while being surrounded by guys like Hart, Jenkins, Bridges, Brunson, and Ochefu. Can Rowsey do the same? It's tough to say, because he's never had to do it.
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I'll spend a bit more time and find your specific post out of 9,860 talking about Sweet 16s under Wojo come Year 4, but here is a gem from January 1, 2015:
Take It To The Bank
« on: January 01, 2015, 06:22:46 PM »
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A lot of silly posters around here crying about where we're at as a program and questioning Wojo's coaching. Some have said Wojo must think he can just show up and the Duke connection will just lead to MU becoming Duke. You can put all your money on 2 things. 1) Wojo isn't relying on any sort of past to get him to where he'd like to be in the future. 2) In 2 seasons we'll be much closer to Duke than we are to what we saw last season and what we'll see the rest of this season.
Take this season for what it is. A transition year. Wojo looks for different things in a player than what Bert did. Doesn't make 1 better than the other. Just different. There are different ways to win. You could tell from day 1 that a guy like Burton wasn't going to fly with Wojo if he didn't change his style of play. From the coming out and clearly being unhappy with the performance at Madness to the disgusted look on his face when Burton missed a crowd pleasing dunk while up about 50 vs. Wisconsin Lutheran College you can tell Wojo demands fundamental play from everyone regardless of whether it's a pickup game or a National Championship game. I, for one, am perfectly fine with that. Right now he has 1 player who Bert recruited that Wojo decided he could mold into a player he would like to see and a 1 year rental. Wojo chose more or less none of the players on this roster. I have heard from multiple people the sentiment of "just wait until he had his players in and he'll have this program where it hasn't been since the 70s." Maybe it's just Duke favoritism, but I have a feeling these people will be proven right. He has a vision and his first recruiting class shows he also has a plan.
This year will be more frustrating than any in a while. But after this we will see the transformation of a program. And it's going to be a joy.
R-E-L-A-X
Looks pretty spot on to me. Marquette in 2015 Kenpom was 93, in 2017 we were 32 and Duke was 14.
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Looks pretty spot on to me. Marquette in 2015 Kenpom was 93, in 2017 we were 32 and Duke was 14.
So what happened this year once we got "all of Wojo's own players" that were going to lead us to Al like years? That finished 53 in Pomeroy - closer to Buzz's throw in the towel last season finishing 68th? Far cry from Duke finishing 3 in Pomeroy this year.
That master plan 1st recruiting class sure paid dividends...glad we still have Sacar. I've loved watching the transformation of this program to where the Wojo fanboys are drooling over NIT Sweet 16s. It's been awesome.
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So what happened this year once we got "all of Wojo's own players" that were going to lead us to Al like years? That finished 53 in Pomeroy - closer to Buzz's throw in the towel last season finishing 68th? Far cry from Duke finishing 3 in Pomeroy this year.
That master plan 1st recruiting class sure paid dividends...glad we still have Sacar. I've loved watching the transformation of this program to where the Wojo fanboys are drooling over NIT Sweet 16s. It's been awesome.
Who’s drooling over that? You imagine you read a lot of things that were not said. Still waiting on that quote you promised from me saying a S16 in year 4.
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Who’s drooling over that? You imagine you read a lot of things that were not said. Still waiting on that quote you promised from me saying a S16 in year 4.
Ners is an expert at shifting goalposts. He does it constantly.
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You all are arguing with Ners. To say it's a pointless endeavor is a vast understatement.
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So what you’re saying is you made up your story? Got it. Thanks for confirming.
I’d say the results confirmed we were closer to Duke than the 13-19 first year record Wojo had due to an entirely bare cupboard Bazz left. So again, thanks for providing a quote that has nothing to do with what you claim I said. 2 years after that quote, which was coming off of a 13-19 season, we were an NCAA Tournament team losing to the same opponent Duke lost to a whopping one round earlier than Duke lost to them. So, that checks out. Appreciate it!
Drink
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You all are arguing with Ners. To say it's a pointless endeavor is a vast understatement.
Yeah, he sure likes to Fish.
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Who’s drooling over that? You imagine you read a lot of things that were not said. Still waiting on that quote you promised from me saying a S16 in year 4.
You assured us after Year 1 of the Wojo regime it was going to be "transformational" and a joy to watch. Perhaps rivaling the 70s? Since things seem to be following plan in your eyes, apparently you feel watching the team get to the NIT Sweet 16 is a joy to watch.
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NIT Sweet 16 is a joy to watch.
#Lies
#Elite8
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#Lies
#Elite8
He'll find a way to make it sweet 16
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Write up on the PTI......focusing on guys who improved their status.....now Rowsey.....no surprise
http://nbadraftnews.com/portsmouth-invitational-recap-gary-clark-devon-hall-george-king/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O7Vv92YJFA