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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Herman Cain on April 04, 2018, 08:26:42 PM
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This is shaping up to be a very good masters.Tiger of course is back in form. Rory coming off a big win at Arnold Palmer tournament. Spieth finished second at Houston Open. Phil got a win earlier this year. Dustin Johnson. Jason Day, Justin Thomas even Sergio looking to defend.
If Tiger wins could be one of the greatest comebacks. Excellent research report in the NY Post on the depths from which he rose.
https://nypost.com/2013/11/24/the-night-tiger-woods-was-exposed-as-a-serial-cheater/
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i like to play me a little draft kings gold fantasy-with the exception of spieth, patrick reed, and JT, i had to play mostly "old codgers" lefty, zack, tiger, bernhard, bam-bam, charlie, dufner and koootch. gotta respect your elders-they know this course and the pressures that follow
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Rocket
I enjoy playing a little golf on draft kings as well. Might have gotten carried away this week. Going to be a fun, fun weekend.
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Rocket
I enjoy playing a little golf on draft kings as well. Might have gotten carried away this week. Going to be a fun, fun weekend.
i was playing about 5 or 6 different contests/rosters($20 total wagered) one weekend. i come home from a saturday round of golf of my own, check the standings and i am in 1 st place in 3 of the contests. if that's not crazy enough, these were the big ones with like a couple hundred thousand participants each and i'm up a total of $80,000. no, i didn't go out and buy a new car or retire from work...laid down for a little lazy saturday afternoon nap, woke up to find myself up about $15, ended up winning like a total of $25...needless to say, i didn't have to file any amended tax forms-but had a lot of fun-good luck on ya goose
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Go, Phil. Though I think I would prefer, if he were to win one major this year, it happen at Shinnecock so he can finish the career slam. Go, Matt Parziale.
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Going to be awesome to watch. For my money, I like Justin Thomas - think he's got the most consistency of anyone in the game right now. Looking a little further down the odds board, I like Matsuyama at 30/1 and Oosthuizen at 60/1.
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With the strength and depth of this field, picking a winner is a crapshoot. However, I like Bubba's chances. He has won two of his last three outings. His success at Augusta is due to his ability to play the high fade off the tee required on the many right-to-left holes, #13 in particular.
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rocket
Great story on being up the $80k. I went all in this week and have 12 lineups, all including Tiger. I always do the big ones and hoping for Tiger historic victory. Good luck on your plays!!
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This is the 10th anniversary of the one and only Masters I went to.
It was one of the worst, with Trevor Immelman winning and no Sunday drama.
But the weather was perfect and the grounds were in spectacular shape. Augusta National remains one of only two places that actually exceeded my very high expectations; the Grand Canyon is the other.
As for this year, I like Burrow's Justin Thomas pick. It would be great if Tiger and/or Phil can give some Sunday thrills.
Regardless, this will be the 10th straight year that I will root for anything better than 2008!
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This is the 10th anniversary of the one and only Masters I went to.
It was one of the worst, with Trevor Immelman winning and no Sunday drama.
But the weather was perfect and the grounds were in spectacular shape. Augusta National remains one of only two places that actually exceeded my very high expectations; the Grand Canyon is the other.
As for this year, I like Burrow's Justin Thomas pick. It would be great if Tiger and/or Phil can give some Sunday thrills.
Regardless, this will be the 10th straight year that I will root for anything better than 2008!
Two pretty special places.
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So I guess Sergio won't be successful at defending his title this year...
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13 on 15. Tin Cup esque
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I almost never get the chance to say this in regards to golf, but even I could have made 13 on a 530 yard hole. Just use the hybrid off the tee, get onto the green in six, and six putt for a solid 12.
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Interested to hear the commentator indicate that most golfers usually start with 6 balls.
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I texted my son about Sergio's 13. He said: "Even you can beat that." And I responded:
"Yeah, I've had a few 14s!"
Seriously, one of the reasons I love golf is that I could beat the best player in the entire world on a hole or two, even if he tried his hardest. If LeBron tried his hardest, I could never stop him from scoring or score against him, but I could beat Dustin Johnson on a hole or two.
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Pretty sure BeeJay and F*ckin' do, hey?
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I almost never get the chance to say this in regards to golf, but even I could have made 13 on a 530 yard hole. Just use the hybrid off the tee, get onto the green in six, and six putt for a solid 12.
The funny thing (if you're a sadist) about Sergio's hole is that all the shots that he hit into the drink actually landed on the middle of the green and rolled back. I wouldn't have that problem because I have no back spin. But after I rolled it 15 yards past the green on the initial approach, I'd almost certainly hit the first one into the water trying to go back the other way. Fortunately, I think I'd then be able to take my drop between the water and the green. With only one in the water, I'd like to think I could get a 13.
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could you imagine jon rahm doing what sergio did? he'd either be down to finishing the round with maybe 2 or 3 clubs or in jail :-\
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Anyone catch Jack Nicklaus' grandson hitting a hole in one?
http://people.com/sports/jack-nicklaus-cries-teenage-grandson-sinks-hole-in-one-par-3-contest/
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Finau popping his dislocated ankle back into place and then shooting 68 the next day has to be one of the coolest stories I have heard in a while.
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Anyone catch Jack Nicklaus' grandson hitting a hole in one?
http://people.com/sports/jack-nicklaus-cries-teenage-grandson-sinks-hole-in-one-par-3-contest/
A good MU friend and frequent scoop lurker (coward) was in the front row of the gallery. I always hated him!
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Anyone catch Jack Nicklaus' grandson hitting a hole in one?
http://people.com/sports/jack-nicklaus-cries-teenage-grandson-sinks-hole-in-one-par-3-contest/
I was above the green looking down at it as it happened. Phenomenal.
First time to Augusta. It looks like every blade of grass has been painted. Amazing place.
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I was above the green looking down at it as it happened. Phenomenal.
First time to Augusta. It looks like every blade of grass has been painted. Amazing place.
Even exceeds your expectations, right?
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Even exceeds your expectations, right?
Absolutely. Everything except the pimento cheese sandwich that is. Not a fan.
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Absolutely. Everything except the pimento cheese sandwich that is. Not a fan.
I am a fan, and I'm an even bigger fan of the food prices. I was stunned by how low they were.
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Finau popping his dislocated ankle back into place and then shooting 68 the next day has to be one of the coolest stories I have heard in a while.
Good thing he's shooting 3 over today, otherwise, we would have seen Kathy Bates as someone's personal trainer next year.
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Nobody is going low today.
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Nobody is going low today.
Especially Eldrick.
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Nobody is going low today.
Patrick Reed would like a word
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Patrick Reed would like a word
It's early. And it isn't the Ryder cup.
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Patrick Reed would like a word
he's on fire! but, a big lead in the masters? better axk sergio
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Tiger winning this week was always a pipe dream. Based more on heart than head.
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Tiger winning this week was always a pipe dream. Based more on heart than head.
If he makes the cut, should be a huge win for him and will definitely add to the Tiger intrigue in this year's majors. No reason for it to be a disappointment based on the pipe dreams, as you said. Winning the Masters is an insanely tall order especially for a player still on the comeback trail.
Just happy for him to seem healthy and really competing.
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Completely agree. He just isn't far enough along in his comeback. BTW, maybe Reed is due. I thought he would have made a double by now.
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Tiger winning this week was always a pipe dream. Based more on heart than head.
But it was a dream a lot of dreamers were dreaming. Crazy.
Weather is supposed to move in bigly tomorrow. Nearly 100% chance of rain for several hours. So who knows how much of tomorrow's round will even be played.
There are some very good names within striking distance - Stenson, Spieth, McIlroy, Johnson, Thomas, Watson. I hope they get to do their thing tomorrow.
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I am a fan, and I'm an even bigger fan of the food prices. I was stunned by how low they were.
Beer was $5. I’m told that’s up quite a bit from past years.
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But it was a dream a lot of dreamers were dreaming. Crazy.
Weather is supposed to move in bigly tomorrow. Nearly 100% chance of rain for several hours. So who knows how much of tomorrow's round will even be played.
There are some very good names within striking distance - Stenson, Spieth, McIlroy, Johnson, Thomas, Watson. I hope they get to do their thing tomorrow.
Rickie was about 1.5" short cumulative today of behind 6 under on the round. His luck turns around tomorrow.
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i've got a nice little team put together here, but they've got to get it all together-
charlie zach kooootch lefty patrick and JT i'm in 1960th place out of 90,000
got any good ones going goose?
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Rocket
Nothing good at the moment, but most guys made the cut. I wac is great shape in the 3.5 million one at about noon yesterday, but things move quickly at The Masters. Good luck!!
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CBS has got some young guns in the final two groups. Rematch of the Ryder cup between Reed and Rory.
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Final pairing of McIlroy and Reed is going to be fun to watch. I expect both to be firing at pins.
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I will enjoy watching today as I work on my taxes and other stuff in the background.
With Tiger not being a factor pretty much from the get-go, unless McIlroy, Reed or somebody else makes an incredible impression today, the lasting memory from the 2018 Masters will be of the defending champion getting a 13 on No. 15 on Day 1.
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I will enjoy watching today as I work on my taxes and other stuff in the background.
With Tiger not being a factor pretty much from the get-go, unless McIlroy, Reed or somebody else makes an incredible impression today, the lasting memory from the 2018 Masters will be of the defending champion getting a 13 on No. 15 on Day 1.
Funny how many people work on taxes during the Masters. I thought the best part of Garcia's disaster was on how he was willing to meet with reporters and be forthright about what happened. A lot of guys would duck that interview. Hope he does well at the other majors.
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Funny how many people work on taxes during the Masters. I thought the best part of Garcia's disaster was on how he was willing to meet with reporters and be forthright about what happened. A lot of guys would duck that interview. Hope he does well at the other majors.
Sergio has grown up a lot. He used to be very pouty. I'm sure finally winning a major helped him.
He was great to deal with when he was a kid, though. I was at that 1999 PGA Championship at Medinah when he hit that blind shot from the roots of that tree. It was an electric moment. Many of us thought he and Tiger would be the two young guns challenging each other for a couple decades - kind of the new Nicklaus/Palmer. Well, half of that equation didn't work out so well!
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CBS has got some young guns in the final two groups. Rematch of the Ryder cup between Reed and Rory.
You were right the first time. This isn’t the Ryder Cup.
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Reed is cracking already. At least Spieth waited until the back nine.
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Reed is cracking already. At least Spieth waited until the back nine.
Not so fast...
With Tiger not being a factor pretty much from the get-go, unless McIlroy, Reed or somebody else makes an incredible impression today, the lasting memory from the 2018 Masters will be of the defending champion getting a 13 on No. 15 on Day 1.
Respectfully disagree. You have either arguably the best young golfer post-Tiger in Rory completely the career Grand Slam, or the first for Ryder Cup hero and burgeoning tour heel Patrick Reed. It’s not like it’s going to be won by a little known golfer or a semi successful Euro player with little name recognition (unless Rahm pulls a miracle)
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Rickie going to to Rick this Sunday up.
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Respectfully disagree. You have either arguably the best young golfer post-Tiger in Rory completely the career Grand Slam, or the first for Ryder Cup hero and burgeoning tour heel Patrick Reed. It’s not like it’s going to be won by a little known golfer or a semi successful Euro player with little name recognition (unless Rahm pulls a miracle)
Fair point.
I do think that if Reed wins, history will judge how "big" it was. If it's his only Masters and he turns into Duval ... meh. But if he wins this dramatically and goes on to have the nice career most think he will, then you're probably right.
Still, I do think everybody who was there Thurs or who saw it will be saying this in 2038: "The 2018 Masters? Wasn't that where Sergio Garcia dunked 5 in the water and got the 13 on 15?"
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It would be nice to see Spieth make a comeback on the back nine.
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Spieth putting some pressure on the final pairing
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Holy Spieth...
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Come on Reed. Give us a playoff
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Congrats to Pat.
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Not so fast...
Respectfully disagree. You have either arguably the best young golfer post-Tiger in Rory completely the career Grand Slam, or the first for Ryder Cup hero and burgeoning tour heel Patrick Reed. It’s not like it’s going to be won by a little known golfer or a semi successful Euro player with little name recognition (unless Rahm pulls a miracle)
Spieth almost made this a truly memorable Masters.
It ended up being fine.
Nice 13 by Sergio!
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Drive for show. Putt for dough. Congrats to Reed. Nice job for Rickie and Justin for putting the pressure on.
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what a great show
rahm is surely a talent we should continue to see more of, but he's a snapped driver away from ruining an image
it's never over till...it's over
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what a great show
rahm is surely a talent we should continue to see more of, but he's a snapped driver away from ruining an image
it's never over till...it's over
In fairness, a ruined image hasn't stopped the Tiger bandwagon one bit.
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Reed is the worst. He's going to be the old pretty boy in the jacket 50 years from now.
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Golf needs a heel. Reed had a sketchy college experience. He came out on tour brash and arrogant. He will drop an F-bomb on an open mic after a bad shot. He got it done today. He earned it and it cannot be taken away from him. If he continues on as a heel....... meh.
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Tower
I agree on Reed being the heel. Not very well liked by his peers, and most fans that I know. I was watching in public setting a folks booed when he won. Caught me by surprise because they were grown adults.
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I am neither a fan nor a hater. I don't like Rory. Rahm is far more temperamental than Reed ever was and is still somehow popular. And towards the end, I wanted to see Reed hold on. Ryder Cup..... Reed, Spieth, Fowler, Thomas, Dustin.... already looking forward to France.
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Knot bad four playin' 4 games (18 hours) of golfin', hey?
Patrick Reed, $1,980,000
2. Rickie Fowler, $1,188,000
3. Jordan Spieth, $748,000
4. Jon Rahm, $528,000
T5. Rory McIlroy, $368,375
T5. Cameron Smith, $368,375
T5. Henrik Stenson, $368,375
T5. Bubba Watson, $368,375
9. Marc Leishman, $319,000
T10. Tony Finau, $286,000
T10. Dustin Johnson, $286,000
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Hope they locked up the putters inside the clubhouse.
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The only time I root for Reed is during the Ryder Cup and Presidents Cup. Seems like during those competitions the guy has a gigantic set of balls and bleeds red, white and blue. That being said I would have preferred to see Rickie or Jordan win. Not that it’s going to happen but I’d love to see Phil (or Spieth) win the career grand slam before Rory.
As for Tiger, somehow they’ll try to keep him relevant to the discussion this year (“He fought his way back...watch out for him at the (name the major)...”
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In fairness, a ruined image hasn't stopped the Tiger bandwagon one bit.
also in fairness, tiger checked himself in and cleaned himself up. he gives a nice interview now and he looks good. i'm just sayin, rahm will have to go thru some humbling moments and if he does it right, he's going to be alright. golf has some unwritten rules and they have a way of handling stuff "in house".
i can see patrick rubbin some the wrong way, but man, ya gotta love his competitive drive; he thrives on pressure. big big win. ya know what caught my eye early with him? brashness aside, but when i saw his wife caddying for him-now that is love and i do not by any means, mean that in a misogynist way at all, sure beats cookin and cleanin though, eyn'er?
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Tower
I agree on Reed being the heel. Not very well liked by his peers, and most fans that I know. I was watching in public setting a folks booed when he won. Caught me by surprise because they were grown adults.
Among the players, only Bubba Watson is disliked more.
Personally, I like Reed's arrogance on the course. I always wanted my opponent to think that I thought I was better than him. In reality, I was really playing against the course and not my opponent, though. Burt he didn't need to know that.
Almost every other guy out there feels the same way inside (or they shouldn't be on the tour). They just hide it better.
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Among the players, only Bubba Watson is disliked more.
I found it ironic that Bubba was the first to greet him due to this fact.
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Weird question for the guys who have been there. Did you see any squirrels? Someone that called in on The Dan Lebatard Show said that Augusta National "got rid" of any squirrels on the course. Michael Collins (ESPN golf reporter) said that he asked a member and was told a story about how the type of trees on the course are too soft of wood and squirrels don't like them. Seems fishy. Just curious.
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just read the espn article post-masters. yes reed has some dirty laundry. yes reed has made some enemies. yes reed has said some brash things. yes...but come on man-the guy just won the masters. he's had some amazing rounds in the ryder and the president's cup, and now the masters. the media, up until tiger's infamous incident, was pretty forgiving of the guy. yes, tiger did for golf what no one else had been able to do. well, john daly did bring on the grip it n rip it era(among a few other things), but he wasn't tiger. tiger got away with A LOT of "shenanigans" leading up to his now ex-wife throwing him out of the house. the escapades of jordan, barkeley and tiger were of "hangover-esque" proportions and the media just chuckled and said-boys will be boys, ein'a? i believe a lot of tiger's physical issues were aided by one dr. galea. everyone lives in glass houses, some are just more fragile than others
don't get me wrong though-i like tiger, where he's taken the world of golf and his comeback in the making, but let's be honest, patricks issues are very much like tigers, very much like bubba's very much like...just different. just saying, let's celebrate the guys accomplishment and allow the dude to enjoy the moment. if patrick isn't humbled with age and continues to "be patrick" then he will continue to get his due
http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/23083108/masters-2018-patrick-reed-brushes-aside-pressure-win-first-major-championship
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just read the espn article post-masters. yes reed has some dirty laundry. yes reed has made some enemies. yes reed has said some brash things. yes...but come on man-the guy just won the masters. he's had some amazing rounds in the ryder and the president's cup, and now the masters. the media, up until tiger's infamous incident, was pretty forgiving of the guy. yes, tiger did for golf what no one else had been able to do. well, john daly did bring on the grip it n rip it era(among a few other things), but he wasn't tiger. tiger got away with A LOT of "shenanigans" leading up to his now ex-wife throwing him out of the house. the escapades of jordan, barkeley and tiger were of "hangover-esque" proportions and the media just chuckled and said-boys will be boys, ein'a? i believe a lot of tiger's physical issues were aided by one dr. galea. everyone lives in glass houses, some are just more fragile than others
don't get me wrong though-i like tiger, where he's taken the world of golf and his comeback in the making, but let's be honest, patricks issues are very much like tigers, very much like bubba's very much like...just different. just saying, let's celebrate the guys accomplishment and allow the dude to enjoy the moment. if patrick isn't humbled with age and continues to "be patrick" then he will continue to get his due
http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/23083108/masters-2018-patrick-reed-brushes-aside-pressure-win-first-major-championship
What?
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just read the espn article post-masters. yes reed has some dirty laundry. yes reed has made some enemies. yes reed has said some brash things. yes...but come on man-the guy just won the masters. he's had some amazing rounds in the ryder and the president's cup, and now the masters. the media, up until tiger's infamous incident, was pretty forgiving of the guy. yes, tiger did for golf what no one else had been able to do. well, john daly did bring on the grip it n rip it era(among a few other things), but he wasn't tiger. tiger got away with A LOT of "shenanigans" leading up to his now ex-wife throwing him out of the house. the escapades of jordan, barkeley and tiger were of "hangover-esque" proportions and the media just chuckled and said-boys will be boys, ein'a? i believe a lot of tiger's physical issues were aided by one dr. galea. everyone lives in glass houses, some are just more fragile than others
don't get me wrong though-i like tiger, where he's taken the world of golf and his comeback in the making, but let's be honest, patricks issues are very much like tigers, very much like bubba's very much like...just different. just saying, let's celebrate the guys accomplishment and allow the dude to enjoy the moment. if patrick isn't humbled with age and continues to "be patrick" then he will continue to get his due
http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/23083108/masters-2018-patrick-reed-brushes-aside-pressure-win-first-major-championship
Ah. No.
Tiger never cheated the game. Or stole from his teammates.
Look at the opinions on tour. Pros have always liked Tiger. They have never liked Reed or Bubba.
Not at all the same.
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I found it ironic that Bubba was the first to greet him due to this fact.
"Bubba, what are you doing" - All the guys in my basement at the end.
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Ah. No.
Tiger never cheated the game. Or stole from his teammates.
Look at the opinions on tour. Pros have always liked Tiger. They have never liked Reed or Bubba.
Not at all the same.
sooooo, steroids ain't cheating? what about the #metoo thingy?
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sooooo, steroids ain't cheating?
You have proof, right?
I laughed at your depiction of the media "cover-ups" of Jordan, Barkley and Woods.
They have been among the most scrutinized athletes ever. Jordan would go out after games and gamble, and it would be reported and he would be criticized ... and then, tired and hung-over, he would go out and score 40 in a playoff game.
Barkley's bar brawls went public, stories broken by the aggressive media.
Same with Tiger.
Did every situation involving each of them get reported? Of course not. The same is true of Brady, Sinatra and Trump, too.
Tiger might have used steroids. I just did some quick googling; all of the results were mad speculation. You seem to be accepting it as a fact. Cool. Reed might do steroids, too.
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For those who don't know Pat Reed's history and don't feel like googling it......
One year at UGA. Then transferred to Augusta State. Underage drinking (admitted). Rumors of allegations of stealing from teammates. Rumors of allegations of posting lower scores than what he shot during qualifying for team events. Rumors of allegations of possibly cheating (hitting the wrong ball). Rumors of being so estranged from his Augusta St teammates that they were rooting against him in match play even if it cost them the tourney.
Estranged from parents. Ostensibly because they did not support his marriage, thinking he was too young and there was too great an age difference between him and his bride (she is 4 years older) That rift has not healed and has deepened with time.
No friends on the PGA tour. Known to swear over open mic's. As recently as last week, made a snarky remark caught on a cellphone about not getting a favorable drop that he would have gotten if his name was Jordan Spieth.
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Weird question for the guys who have been there. Did you see any squirrels? Someone that called in on The Dan Lebatard Show said that Augusta National "got rid" of any squirrels on the course. Michael Collins (ESPN golf reporter) said that he asked a member and was told a story about how the type of trees on the course are too soft of wood and squirrels don't like them. Seems fishy. Just curious.
Der wuz a squirrly lookin' dude on #18. Pretty sure it wuz F*ckin', doe, hey?
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You have proof, right?
I laughed at your depiction of the media "cover-ups" of Jordan, Barkley and Woods.
They have been among the most scrutinized athletes ever. Jordan would go out after games and gamble, and it would be reported and he would be criticized ... and then, tired and hung-over, he would go out and score 40 in a playoff game.
Barkley's bar brawls went public, stories broken by the aggressive media.
Same with Tiger.
Did every situation involving each of them get reported? Of course not. The same is true of Brady, Sinatra and Trump, too.
Tiger might have used steroids. I just did some quick googling; all of the results were mad speculation. You seem to be accepting it as a fact. Cool. Reed might do steroids, too.
so tiger's doc gets stopped at canadian border with juice and tiger suddenly goes off the grid to surgery for back issues or sumpin. barkeley and jordan got a pass compared to some. still had to laugh however, 'bout charlie's big adventure in Az. 2008 new years eve-DUI and bj. was going back for seconds as she had given him the best one he ever had. gotta love charlie. he's always good for a chuckle
http://www.tmz.com/2009/01/01/barkley-all-i-really-wanted-was-oral-sex/
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For those who don't know Pat Reed's history and don't feel like googling it......
One year at UGA. Then transferred to Augusta State. Underage drinking (admitted). Rumors of allegations of stealing from teammates. Rumors of allegations of posting lower scores than what he shot during qualifying for team events. Rumors of allegations of possibly cheating (hitting the wrong ball). Rumors of being so estranged from his Augusta St teammates that they were rooting against him in match play even if it cost them the tourney.
Estranged from parents. Ostensibly because they did not support his marriage, thinking he was too young and there was too great an age difference between him and his bride (she is 4 years older) That rift has not healed and has deepened with time.
No friends on the PGA tour. Known to swear over open mic's. As recently as last week, made a snarky remark caught on a cellphone about not getting a favorable drop that he would have gotten if his name was Jordan Spieth.
what? he swore over an open mic? say it ain't so...not like it wasn't a big f" ing deal err anything, eyyn'aaa?
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so tiger's doc gets stopped at canadian border with juice and tiger suddenly goes off the grid to surgery for back issues or sumpin. barkeley and jordan got a pass compared to some.
Exactly. Zero proof on Tiger's roids.
Exactly. Barkley and Jordan got a pass compared to some, got covered more compared to others. Welcome to life.
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Rocket, you're reaching Wades levels of steroid accusations. Tiger isn't a perfect dude by any stretch, sleeping with god knows how many women when he was married with kids obviously isn't spectacular behavior. But there has been no proof connecting Tiger with roids.
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Danny Willitt will be the happiest guy at next years Champions Dinner. He got nudged by Reed for the guy most disliked by the group. Bobby Jones likely would not be too happy with this years champion.
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You have proof, right?
I laughed at your depiction of the media "cover-ups" of Jordan, Barkley and Woods.
Hmmm. Interesting WHY he picked these 3 guys, but in a discussion about golf, never mentioned John Daly, or Dustin Johnson. Are they in some strange way different from the 3 guys he mentioned?
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Damn, I didn't know any of Reed's baggage while I watched yesterday. I was rooting for him because it's sad to see people choke. But now ...
http://www.golf.com/knockdown/2018/04/08/masters-patrick-reed-estranged-family-complex-mix-emotions
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Hmmm. Interesting WHY he picked these 3 guys, but in a discussion about golf, never mentioned John Daly, or Dustin Johnson. Are they in some strange way different from the 3 guys he mentioned?
Indeed.
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Its good to have a couple of guys that you don't want to win though, ya know? I know Tiger gets all the eyeballs, but I love watching this next batch of guys. Problem is, they're all so damn likable. Rory, Spieth, Justin Thomas, Rickie, Rahm (seems like a good guy even though he had a tough day yesterday), Jason Day. DJ is probably more controversial, but his demons seem to be mostly his own and I think he's pretty well liked on the tour. Hard to be disappointed whenever any of those guys win and they all seem to genuinely like each other. Throwing Reed, Bubba, and a couple of other guys in there to play the villain is good for the game, too. Just not as fun the monday after one of those guys actually wins.
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Tiger might have used steroids. I just did some quick googling; all of the results were mad speculation. You seem to be accepting it as a fact. Cool. Reed might do steroids, too.
I am definitely not a Tiger fan or apologist, but everything I have ever read indicates the guy was an absolute gym rat who would lift weights for three hours a day. Sounds like obsessive workouts to me rather than steroids.
Also note that his head never suddenly grew three sizes like Bond's and Sosa's. McGwire has obviously been busted for roids too, but his head never swelled up the way theirs did.
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Faldo was a heel. Vijay was a heel. Ian Poulter was a heel at Ryder Cups. Monty. Hell, Jack started out as a heel compared to Arnie. Nothing wrong with it and nothing guarantees that it is forever. Congratulations, Patrick.
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I am definitely not a Tiger fan or apologist, but everything I have ever read indicates the guy was an absolute gym rat who would life weights for three hours a day. Sounds like obsessive workouts to me rather than steroids.
Also note that his head never suddenly grew three sizes like Bond's and Sosa's. McGwire has obviously been busted for roids too, but his head never swelled up the way theirs did.
+1 here. I think there's a lot of criticism you can rightfully lob Tiger's way with respect to how he saw/treated his body and what was best for his game - but I don't think that includes chemical enhancement.
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Hmmm. Interesting WHY he picked these 3 guys, but in a discussion about golf, never mentioned John Daly, or Dustin Johnson. Are they in some strange way different from the 3 guys he mentioned?
seriously jockstrap?
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" well, john daly did bring on the grip it n rip it era(among a few other things),"
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I am definitely not a Tiger fan or apologist, but everything I have ever read indicates the guy was an absolute gym rat who would lift weights for three hours a day. Sounds like obsessive workouts to me rather than steroids.
Also note that his head never suddenly grew three sizes like Bond's and Sosa's. McGwire has obviously been busted for roids too, but his head never swelled up the way theirs did.
And don't forget the navy seal workouts. Ultimately, he wore his body and his back out. So, he paid.
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I am definitely not a Tiger fan or apologist, but everything I have ever read indicates the guy was an absolute gym rat who would lift weights for three hours a day. Sounds like obsessive workouts to me rather than steroids.
Also note that his head never suddenly grew three sizes like Bond's and Sosa's. McGwire has obviously been busted for roids too, but his head never swelled up the way theirs did.
In defense of those who DO think Tiger has juiced, Sosa, McGwire and so many others claimed that their bodies got big because they were gym rats who would life weights for hours every day.
I'm no steroid expert, but I believe one of their benefits is that they help maximize the muscle-building effects of weightlifting. I also believe they help the body heal after vigorous workouts, thereby letting people shorten the time between workout sessions.
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Faldo was a heel. Vijay was a heel. Ian Poulter was a heel at Ryder Cups. Monty. Hell, Jack started out as a heel compared to Arnie. Nothing wrong with it and nothing guarantees that it is forever. Congratulations, Patrick.
This, exactly.
Faldo at his time was most hated and still is. Vijay has had his issues and even Seve was disliked immensely. There's always a villain, a bad one that everybody wants to see do poorly and then root for their favorite and thats their right.
I don't see Reed as a "heel", and I see him as one of the most patriotic golfers, along with Fowler. Reed went to the Olympics and didn't stay home for the Zika thing. His Ryder Cup/Presidents Cup record is one of the best ever and for those who didn't see it, watch his singles match against Rory two years ago, probably the most exciting match in Ryder history and yes he beat him, just like yesterday. Is he a guy fans don't like, yes..see B-balls Macura, Grayson Allen, McNamara, etc. Happens in every sport.
But, Reed was phenomenal over the weekend and deserved the win, he played the best, period. The crowd wanted Jordan, the crowd wanted Rickie, but Reed persevered and deserves recognition for the win, like him or not.
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This, exactly.
Faldo at his time was most hated and still is. Vijay has had his issues and even Seve was disliked immensely. There's always a villain, a bad one that everybody wants to see do poorly and then root for their favorite and thats their right.
I don't see Reed as a "heel", and I see him as one of the most patriotic golfers, along with Fowler. Reed went to the Olympics and didn't stay home for the Zika thing. His Ryder Cup/Presidents Cup record is one of the best ever and for those who didn't see it, watch his singles match against Rory two years ago, probably the most exciting match in Ryder history and yes he beat him, just like yesterday. Is he a guy fans don't like, yes..see B-balls Macura, Grayson Allen, McNamara, etc. Happens in every sport.
But, Reed was phenomenal over the weekend and deserved the win, he played the best, period. The crowd wanted Jordan, the crowd wanted Rickie, but Reed persevered and deserves recognition for the win, like him or not.
I kind of agree Reed isn't a heel, the more I think about it. His blemishes from his college days are completely valid and worth of criticism. However, many people are awful to varying degrees at that age and mature into perfectly respectable and admirable adults. I think Reed is kind of an odd loner with an insane competitive streak, and that coupled with an arrogance about his game (which is part of the reason for his greatness) doesn't make him particularly lovable.
The family stuff I think is completely his business, and while unfortunate seeming, doesn't make him any more of a heel. If he was a happy go lucky gregarious heavily marketed personality with the estranged family, that would be odd (cough AR12 cough).
I honestly hope he continues playing well for years, he's a good foil, personality wise, to the buddy culture of the other young guns on tour (who are also great in their own right).
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JWags
I played competitive golf for much of my life and have a great respect for the rules. Several of the allegations regarding Reed are pretty horrible violations of the game. I have played in Jr tournaments were kids flat out cheated and I called them on it. As a fan of the game, it's history and it's crazy rules, I cannot get past some of the stuff he is accused of.
I agree, people grow and change in life and cheating on the golf course or stealing money/clubs should not be a life sentence for anyone. That said, I can say the off course stuff can be forgiven and forgot, but I struggle with the cheating on the course and the game.
As a golf fan, Reed did himself well yesterday and hats off to him. He was not the guy I wanted to win, but he deserves a very big pat on the back. I actually feel badly for him. If he finished 25th, 3/4 of the people that googled him in last 24 hours, would have not wasted the time on him. His on course success put him under a microscope.
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I kind of agree Reed isn't a heel, the more I think about it. His blemishes from his college days are completely valid and worth of criticism. However, many people are awful to varying degrees at that age and mature into perfectly respectable and admirable adults. I think Reed is kind of an odd loner with an insane competitive streak, and that coupled with an arrogance about his game (which is part of the reason for his greatness) doesn't make him particularly lovable.
The family stuff I think is completely his business, and while unfortunate seeming, doesn't make him any more of a heel. If he was a happy go lucky gregarious heavily marketed personality with the estranged family, that would be odd (cough AR12 cough).
I honestly hope he continues playing well for years, he's a good foil, personality wise, to the buddy culture of the other young guns on tour (who are also great in their own right).
Agree completely. Today's Patrick Reed is hardly a heel.
His big mistake (outside of the college issues) was his immaturity and arrogance after his win at Doral. He made his infamous "top 5" comment and the press then buried him. That's when the college stories and the family issues all came to light. It also gave Shane Ryan the perfect bad guy for his book. And, for a bit, I think Reed tried to embrace that heel character.
But, the last couple of years have seen a rapidly maturing Reed. I think the competition and how hard it is to win consistently on the Tour also humbled a guy that had nothing but success throughout his junior and college career. He also found a calling in the team events and I think that has earned him well-deserved respect with his peers. He may not be part of the clique, but that doesn't make him a bad guy.
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I actually feel badly for him. If he finished 25th, 3/4 of the people that googled him in last 24 hours, would have not wasted the time on him. His on course success put him under a microscope.
I fall in this group. I'm a casual golf fan, and don't follow too closely. But, I've always liked the Masters and pay more attention to that than other tournaments. And like a lot of other casual fans, my interest was higher this year due to the Tiger factor. Anyway, I was listening to the tournament yesterday while driving. I was rooting for Spieth, mainly because I liked the historic comeback angle. I honestly didn't know much at all about Reed, and pretty much everything I now know came from this thread and other articles in the last 24 hours.
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Faldo was a heel. Vijay was a heel. Ian Poulter was a heel at Ryder Cups. Monty. Hell, Jack started out as a heel compared to Arnie. Nothing wrong with it and nothing guarantees that it is forever. Congratulations, Patrick.
This.
And you can add Ben Hogan to that list. A fellow Texan with the lousiest childhood one could imagine and huge chip permanently installed on his shoulder. He befriended few on the tour and despised Arnold Palmer, refusing to call him anything other than "Fella." He has a bridge named after him at Augusta National.
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JWags
I played competitive golf for much of my life and have a great respect for the rules. Several of the allegations regarding Reed are pretty horrible violations of the game. I have played in Jr tournaments were kids flat out cheated and I called them on it. As a fan of the game, it's history and it's crazy rules, I cannot get past some of the stuff he is accused of.
I agree, people grow and change in life and cheating on the golf course or stealing money/clubs should not be a life sentence for anyone. That said, I can say the off course stuff can be forgiven and forgot, but I struggle with the cheating on the course and the game.
I hear you, and I understand, but again, it was a decade ago. The PGA has deemed him acceptable to select for multiple Ryder Cups, he's now a major champion, it seems silly to continue to harp on mistakes and allegations that occurred when he was a freshman, a very young freshman at that, when nothing of the sort has occurred since. Pales in comparison to someone like Vijay Singh who was kicked off a damn tour for cheating.
Not at all excusing it and the disgust and judgement of it at the time are completely valid, but it gets to be like the "Respect for the Game" in baseball at a certain point when taken too far.
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I actually feel badly for him. If he finished 25th, 3/4 of the people that googled him in last 24 hours, would have not wasted the time on him.
Yep. I was reading this thread and mentioned it to my wife .. who is not a golf fan, but we did watch an hour of the Masters yesterday. She immediately says, wow, I read some bad stuff about Reed.
So indeed .. Reed went from a golfer than maybe a few thousand people didn't like .. to having millions of new ~haters.
Poor guy, wallowing in his $2m prize today.
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Yep. I was reading this thread and mentioned it to my wife .. who is not a golf fan, but we did watch an hour of the Masters yesterday. She immediately says, wow, I read some bad stuff about Reed.
So indeed .. Reed went from a golfer than maybe a few thousand people didn't like .. to having millions of new ~haters.
Poor guy, wallowing in his $2m prize today.
the price of success?? gotta be a strong person. don't have a twitter account, don't open the newspaper, don't go on the internet, don't turn on the tv...
i agree with goose-golf might have some arcane rules, but cheating cannot be tolerated. however, one who cheats, only cheats him/herself. most times, it will come back to haunt you. if patrick WAS guilty of cheating, her sure as heck hasn't done it at the pga level. he is plain and simple, a good golfer. i hope his personal life remains his personal life and he can put any of his other alleged stuff behind him.
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I don't know Reed at all, so I certainly don't know if he's a "heel" or not.
I also don't know that I'd call him a bigger "patriot" than others.
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I agree with 99% of what you said. As you know, I love MU and MU ball for all of my life, but the game of golf is one I have greater love affair. I started playing golf at a very, very young age and played more golf than should be allowed for many years of my life.
I respect Reed for his win and hope he has a great career and life. That said, I will struggle forgetting the possible cheating in golf. Any other issue in his life, I get we are all flawed and he gets a quicker pass from me. Cheating on the course and being caught multiple times is hard for me to overlook.
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Yep. I was reading this thread and mentioned it to my wife .. who is not a golf fan, but we did watch an hour of the Masters yesterday. She immediately says, wow, I read some bad stuff about Reed.
So indeed .. Reed went from a golfer than maybe a few thousand people didn't like .. to having millions of new ~haters.
Poor guy, wallowing in his $2m prize today.
$2m, sure, but the taxes...
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Enough about Patrick Reed. What about MY golf game!?!
Getting older and am a lousy chipper. Chunks and thins and poor distance control. Thinking about swallowing my pride and getting one of these. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with a club like this?
(https://golfingmagazine.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2017_HGG_square-strike_Wedge.jpg)
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Enough about Patrick Reed. What about MY golf game!?!
Getting older and am a lousy chipper. Chunks and thins and poor distance control. Thinking about swallowing my pride and getting one of these. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with a club like this?
(https://golfingmagazine.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2017_HGG_square-strike_Wedge.jpg)
When hybrids first came out, nobody on Tour would be caught dead with one of them. Then, KJ Choi saw the distance and higher trajectory gains of hybrids and put them in his bag. Others followed to the point that now the majority of Tour pros have replaced their 2 and 3 irons with hybrids. The modern hybrid is simply far superior in design to the traditional long iron. It results in longer, higher shots that land softer on the green. If you're a low handicap recreational golfer and you're still using a 2 iron, you should get over the "I'm a player" thing and choose lower scores over image.
HOWEVER, even higher handicap golfers would probably laugh at you if you put this thing in your bag. Time will tell if chipping clubs like this ever cease to evoke derision and laughter from playing partners. I would bet that things would get really quiet after you win a few bets from them after holing a chip or two using the square strike. Still, I will be shocked if any PGA Tour member ever put one in his bag, and until that happens, these chippers will never make their way en masse into amateur bags.
My advice would be: if you've tried one and it works for you, absolutely buy one...just steel yourself from the commentary.
There is one big caveat, however: Badger supporter Andy North is Square Strike's main spokesman. He seems like a decent guy, rodent allegiance notwithstanding.
If you were just starting in the game at a young age, no way should you wave the white flag and buy a "chipper" after a few bad chips. A traditional wedge will always be the better tool. So much you can do with it. Hood the face, play it back in your stance, get your hands "ahead", and you have a bump-and-run club. Open the face, play it forward in your stance, even-out your hands and you have easy access to a high pitch or lob shot. Sometimes you NEED those shots. The Square Strike is ok for the former, not so much the latter. But, alas we age...and not often gracefully...at least not on the golf course. As such, go with whatever simplifies the game....and the Square Stike certainly does that, as you employ a simple putting stroke to use it.
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Among the players, only Bubba Watson is disliked more.
Personally, I like Reed's arrogance on the course. I always wanted my opponent to think that I thought I was better than him. In reality, I was really playing against the course and not my opponent, though. Burt he didn't need to know that.
Almost every other guy out there feels the same way inside (or they shouldn't be on the tour). They just hide it better.
This post is amazing. So true. Golf is such a mental game and getting in your opponent's head is worth probably 5-6 strokes per round at the amateur level. Not unlike Al putting MU up by about 4 points just by walking in the arena. However, just a couple of my playing partners would take this "edge" too far. I knew one guy who would rather shoot 120 to my 121, than have me shoot 74 to his 76 ( we are both regularly in the low 80s, and breaking 80 is always our goal). His trash talking always got the loudest when I was well up on him and in position to break 80 standing on 18 tee. To me, I'd rather we both be in the 70s and I lose to him than beat him while we both chop and hack away.
With regard to your typo...it would be so much more satisfying if you got into Burt's head on the golf course.
Billy Andrade: "In his prime, Tiger knew he was gonna beat you.....you knew he was gonna beat you...and he knew that you knew he was gonna beat you."
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hey zenyatta-thanks for the "rest of the story" on the square strike. in todays golf world, there is more funky stuff coming out than fishing lures-they all catch fish ya know-it's always good to hear some decent opinions about some of this stuff. golf has more gizmos, straps, slings, instructional crap, add this, remove that, elbow in, butt out, hit n spit, etc etc a lot of us mid-handicap guys are always looking for that "gold nugget" without filling up our garages with all this crap. personally i have been able to stick to the wider grips and a little bit of lead tape here and there
i know one thing that i think the pga should start to consider, but you guys tell me if it's a poor idea-why don't they just let the guys on the tour use range finders or gps for chriminey's sake? it would speed up play. which is another unenforced rule for them-what the heck is slow play for the big dogs?
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It ain't da arrows, its da Indrun, aina?
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$2m, sure, but the taxes...
Mr. Hadley, do you trust your wife?
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Mr. Hadley, do you trust your wife?
Not sure Patrick Reed should.
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But he does. Completely. And has chosen her family over his own.
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My wife did not have the kind of falling out with her family that Reed apparently has had with his, but it didn't take long after we got married for her to feel far more comfortable around and loved by my family.
It happens sometimes. We don't know the full Patrick Reed story about his family.
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Reed's are rumored events as are allegations of Tiger's steroid use. Aren't they all just that, rumors? Why the benefit of the doubt? I thought one of the Golf channel guys hinted Tiger was cheating on the golf course a few years back? Moving twigs that caused the ball to move and a few other areas. There was a dust up back then of how dare yous being thrown around at the commentator.
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It is one guy on Golf Channel accusing Tiger of cheating on the golf course. Tiger has his issues, but I do not believe cheating on the golf course is one of them.
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As is the case with all rich white men, white golfers just can't catch a stinkin' break in this country!
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This Patrick Reed headline from the Spokane Spokesman-Review sure is something.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DabW6wcXUAM6YAr.jpg
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It ain't da arrows, its da Indrun, aina?
Word
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hey zenyatta-thanks for the "rest of the story" on the square strike. in todays golf world, there is more funky stuff coming out than fishing lures-they all catch fish ya know-it's always good to hear some decent opinions about some of this stuff. golf has more gizmos, straps, slings, instructional crap, add this, remove that, elbow in, butt out, hit n spit, etc etc a lot of us mid-handicap guys are always looking for that "gold nugget" without filling up our garages with all this crap. personally i have been able to stick to the wider grips and a little bit of lead tape here and there
i know one thing that i think the pga should start to consider, but you guys tell me if it's a poor idea-why don't they just let the guys on the tour use range finders or gps for chriminey's sake? it would speed up play. which is another unenforced rule for them-what the heck is slow play for the big dogs?
I'm with you. All this instructional expertise and all these swing aids, and the average golf score hasn't gone down much at all over the last 30 years. Keep it simple. Rangefinders are great, but not much is going to speed up the perennially slow pros
On Tour. There are some pretty funny videos on YouTube of how faster Tour pros deal with slow pokes they got paired with. Rory Sabbatini once walked the length of the hole ahead of his slug, I think it was a Ben Crane.
I just regripped my irons with the new Align technology. Love it because it I've always struggled to find "ribbed" (cue "4Ever") grips with the built-up ridge down the back. Seem to keep my grip relaxed and my swing "connected." That's the extent of my golf gimmickery.
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It is one guy on Golf Channel accusing Tiger of cheating on the golf course. Tiger has his issues, but I do not believe cheating on the golf course is one of them.
The trees just short of the 1st green at Conway Farms (BMW a few years ago) would beg to differ. A little sketchy for sure, but I agree with you overall. One inconclusive video does not earn him that "cheater" label. Plus, it sparked a discussion of the difference between "Oscillate" and "Move" as to golf ball position as per the Rules of Golf. Bill Clinton, he of the many mulligans and word parsing, would be proud.
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Tiger dropped in the wrong spot after hitting into the water during the 2013 Masters. Then, while moving debris away from a ball in some pine straw, his ball moved/oscillated. It is entirely possible that he didn't notice. Being Tiger, there was a camera focused on his every move.
I have never rooted for Tiger Woods. For a time, during his run of greatness, I rooted against him so hard that I actually rooted for Europe in the Ryder Cup in hopes of seeing him lose. I would never call him a cheater.
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Tiger dropped in the wrong spot after hitting into the water during the 2013 Masters. Then, while moving debris away from a ball in some pine straw, his ball moved/oscillated. It is entirely possible that he didn't notice. Being Tiger, there was a camera focused on his every move.
I have never rooted for Tiger Woods. For a time, during his run of greatness, I rooted against him so hard that I actually rooted for Europe in the Ryder Cup in hopes of seeing him lose. I would never call him a cheater.
Thank you, I confused the BMW situation with the 2013 Masters. Shows you how reckless and foolish it is to accuse someone without even knowing the facts. If I remember, the BMW situation was also something no other player in that field would've had to deal with, as Tiger had a special camera following his every move there as well.
I agree. Tiger is a golf historian, honors the traditions and integrity of the game, and appreciates the difficulty of achieving greatness, and I feel he would not accept a "tainted" trophy.
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I have never rooted for Tiger Woods. For a time, during his run of greatness, I rooted against him so hard that I actually rooted for Europe in the Ryder Cup in hopes of seeing him lose.
I was the same way, and I had nothing against Tiger.
I just want great golf matches. Seeing Tiger win by 8 or 11 or 17 strokes ... I appreciated the greatness of it, but it's not what I like to see. For me, it's all about the back 9 on Sunday.
If he was in a great match on the back 9 on Sunday, didn't bother me at all if he won ... although yes, there were sometimes that I rooted for the underdog because that's what sports fans do.
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The trees just short of the 1st green at Conway Farms (BMW a few years ago) would beg to differ. A little sketchy for sure, but I agree with you overall. One inconclusive video does not earn him that "cheater" label. Plus, it sparked a discussion of the difference between "Oscillate" and "Move" as to golf ball position as per the Rules of Golf. Bill Clinton, he of the many mulligans and word parsing, would be proud.
re: cheaters-i think we discussed this last year when it happened-lexi thompson marking her ball-personally, i think it was inadvertent-maybe a 2 stroke penalty at most. i guess there is crying on golf courses though
i'm changing over to the medium golf prides. felt the same thing you described-relaxed grip on the club and i think it straightened out the club face to ball contact. sometimes ya just have to go with it and not try to figure out why it works...for now
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When hybrids first came out, nobody on Tour would be caught dead with one of them. Then, KJ Choi saw the distance and higher trajectory gains of hybrids and put them in his bag. Others followed to the point that now the majority of Tour pros have replaced their 2 and 3 irons with hybrids. The modern hybrid is simply far superior in design to the traditional long iron. It results in longer, higher shots that land softer on the green. If you're a low handicap recreational golfer and you're still using a 2 iron, you should get over the "I'm a player" thing and choose lower scores over image.
HOWEVER, even higher handicap golfers would probably laugh at you if you put this thing in your bag. Time will tell if chipping clubs like this ever cease to evoke derision and laughter from playing partners. I would bet that things would get really quiet after you win a few bets from them after holing a chip or two using the square strike. Still, I will be shocked if any PGA Tour member ever put one in his bag, and until that happens, these chippers will never make their way en masse into amateur bags.
My advice would be: if you've tried one and it works for you, absolutely buy one...just steel yourself from the commentary.
There is one big caveat, however: Badger supporter Andy North is Square Strike's main spokesman. He seems like a decent guy, rodent allegiance notwithstanding.
If you were just starting in the game at a young age, no way should you wave the white flag and buy a "chipper" after a few bad chips. A traditional wedge will always be the better tool. So much you can do with it. Hood the face, play it back in your stance, get your hands "ahead", and you have a bump-and-run club. Open the face, play it forward in your stance, even-out your hands and you have easy access to a high pitch or lob shot. Sometimes you NEED those shots. The Square Strike is ok for the former, not so much the latter. But, alas we age...and not often gracefully...at least not on the golf course. As such, go with whatever simplifies the game....and the Square Stike certainly does that, as you employ a simple putting stroke to use it.
Cool post, enjoyed reading. Student loans have kept me out of the game for a bit (no fun to just play a couple times of year, have to commit to it somewhat!) but about to jump back in at some point soon.
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I was the same way, and I had nothing against Tiger.
I just want great golf matches. Seeing Tiger win by 8 or 11 or 17 strokes ... I appreciated the greatness of it, but it's not what I like to see. For me, it's all about the back 9 on Sunday.
If he was in a great match on the back 9 on Sunday, didn't bother me at all if he won ... although yes, there were sometimes that I rooted for the underdog because that's what sports fans do.
I think a lot (millions) of people agree with your thoughts. Having a villain (in the sports sense) drives fan interest. Fan interest drives more $$$$$$. Tiger has made a lot of guys rich.
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i'm changing over to the medium golf prides. felt the same thing you described-relaxed grip on the club and i think it straightened out the club face to ball contact. sometimes ya just have to go with it and not try to figure out why it works...for now
I regrip my clubs every couple of years. Broke par for the for the first time for the year today. 4 birdies in 5 hole stretch. Playing partner said very hurtful things about me and my ancestors as well as recommending physical impossibilities. It is so much more fun when you get to tell your buddy about it.
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I think a lot (millions) of people agree with your thoughts. Having a villain (in the sports sense) drives fan interest. Fan interest drives more $$$$$$. Tiger has made a lot of guys rich.
I was hoping after Tiger's little SUV-into-the-fire-hydrant episode he'd go full Star Trek alternate universe where the crew is all evil. Grow himself a nice little Spock-like goatee and embrace his dark side, hookers and all.
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Thank you, I confused the BMW situation with the 2013 Masters. Shows you how reckless and foolish it is to accuse someone without even knowing the facts. If I remember, the BMW situation was also something no other player in that field would've had to deal with, as Tiger had a special camera following his every move there as well.
I agree. Tiger is a golf historian, honors the traditions and integrity of the game, and appreciates the difficulty of achieving greatness, and I feel he would not accept a "tainted" trophy.
Tiger took many a "tainted" trophy from IHOP.
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I regrip my clubs every couple of years. Broke par for the for the first time for the year today. 4 birdies in 5 hole stretch. Playing partner said very hurtful things about me and my ancestors as well as recommending physical impossibilities. It is so much more fun when you get to tell your buddy about it.
that is fun! where did you play? not in the upper midwest. my son and i just did pebble beach last weekend...on a simulator ;D if it weren't for that minor inconvenience called work, i'd be down in Az. smackin 'em around
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Michigan. 42 degrees. 15 mph west wind. Course is flat like a Florida course, holes framed with ponds. 6500 from the tips. Great for walking. Hit some perfect shots through the wind, made some putts. 6 birdies overall. 8th round overall this year. Can't let a little thing like windchill stop you.
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I regrip my clubs every couple of years. Broke par for the for the first time for the year today. 4 birdies in 5 hole stretch. Playing partner said very hurtful things about me and my ancestors as well as recommending physical impossibilities. It is so much more fun when you get to tell your buddy about it.
Every other year for me. I give them a good scrubbing every month to get the tack back. Really want to put on some Tour Pros, but just put on MCCs last Winter.
First night of league tomorrow cannot wait.
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Every other year for me. I give them a good scrubbing every month to get the tack back. Really want to put on some Tour Pros, but just put on MCCs last Winter.
First night of league tomorrow cannot wait.
I’m an every other year guy as well. I love Winn Grips.
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I was hoping after Tiger's little SUV-into-the-fire-hydrant episode he'd go full Star Trek alternate universe where the crew is all evil. Grow himself a nice little Spock-like goatee and embrace his dark side, hookers and all.
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It ain't da arrows, its da Indrun, aina?
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I think a lot (millions) of people agree with your thoughts. Having a villain (in the sports sense) drives fan interest. Fan interest drives more $$$$$$. Tiger has made a lot of guys rich.
Well said.
Tiger and Jordan made more fellow athletes in their sports money than anybody I can think of in any sports.
I think Jud Buechler is STILL counting his money. I KNOW Luc Longley is!
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Michigan. 42 degrees. 15 mph west wind. Course is flat like a Florida course, holes framed with ponds. 6500 from the tips. Great for walking. Hit some perfect shots through the wind, made some putts. 6 birdies overall. 8th round overall this year. Can't let a little thing like windchill stop you.
Wow, this is impressive, especially since you have only played 8 times this year. I worked at Conway Farms (host of the BMW) back in the early 2000s, and played often with one of the assistants. I looped there for extra bucks and exercise, and the privilege of playing that gem. Well, this particular assistant always played "One-Step-In", meaning you go to the end of the longest tee box and play from there on each hole. So, we played it well over 7,000...but Conway is not a long course at all by today's standards. It was really early in the golf season, and I don't know what got into me this particular day, but I birdied 3 holes in a row on the front, and actually competed with the +2 handicap assistant for the duration. It was all downhill (uphill) from there, as he didn't take too kindly to one of the course jockeys almost beating him. I think I shot 92 next time we played and he shot 68. Now, I'm an old man at 47, so you wouldn't get me near those 7,000 yds. 6500-6700 is plenty, especially in cold, wet Midwestern April.
I always out-play my ability very early or very late in the golf year....I think it's due to lower expectations and not putting pressure on myself to play well....getting "out of your own way", as the sports psychologists say.
Plus, to start the season, our golf-shot memory banks are empty, and there's no duck hooks or 3-putts to recall. If you are scoring like this in these temps and wind conditions, you will only get better through the season. Congrats on your plentiful birds!
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I regrip my clubs every couple of years. Broke par for the for the first time for the year today. 4 birdies in 5 hole stretch. Playing partner said very hurtful things about me and my ancestors as well as recommending physical impossibilities. It is so much more fun when you get to tell your buddy about it.
Loved reading this. Reminded me of that annoying partner who couldn't ever handle me winning a bet from him. Every time I outplayed him, he would make the most dreadful noise utilizing the far reaches of his nasal cavity upon each long putt I holed, followed by a tongue-in-cheek, barely audible "nice putt."
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I am a golfing die hard. I probably play 80 rounds a year. Usually, my game is decent in the spring and then falls off in the summer for two reasons. One, I start trying to squeeze more distance out of my driver and make changes that lead to hooks. Two, with the 11 year old out of school, I can't just go out all the time. My 50th birthday present to myself was to stop playing courses at 7000. I will for outings, but hitting hybrids or 3 woods into 470 yard par 4's isn't really that much fun. 6800 is about my limit. As far as birdies, I saw the line yesterday. That happens 2-3 times a year where I see almost every line. Most of the time when I play, I am an edge burner from outside 10 ft. Really good 10 ft in, Derrick Wilson-like from distance.
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tower
Well done. I am the most excited I have been in 15 years for golf season to begin. Kids grown, all out of college and going to try and play as much as possible. For many, many years I was a minimum 100 round a year guy and been 10-15 for a decade. Fingers crossed that the game I came home from FL with with a month ago is for real.
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I got started two years ago, playing in 1-2 scrambles a year before that.
I get about 54 holes in a month. I took extensive lessons this winter, last summer I was usually on the lower side of 100, hoping to start scratching at 90 with a new swing this season. Stopped coming over the top, quieted the lower body and worked on rotation of the torso and upper body.
My bag is currently:
Driver - Cobra Fly-Z+
3W - Cobra Fly-Z
3H - Cobra Fly-Z
4H - Cobra Fly-Z
5-9 - Cobra Fly-Z
46 degree - Callaway MD3
50 degree - Callaway MD3
56 degrees - Callaway MD3 PM Grind
60 degree - Callaway MD3 PM Grind
Putter - I've got a couple Scotty Newport's I've refinished and a Ping mallet. Usually game a Scotty Studio Style.
Ball - Vice Tour or Wilson DUO. I won't spend money on balls at my handicap. Both very nice balls for the price.
I've got some money to spend on equipment this year, so I'm eyeing up irons. Going to start that process as soon as the weather stabilizes.
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love the cobras-just bought the F-7 irons, F-6 driver up here(but can't discard the old calloway FT-9 in Az.) 58 deg. cleveland, 56. deg killer bee, odyssey versa wide tank reverse oreo putter-super stroke grip, cobra 2-3 hybrid, cobra 3 wood,
transitioning from calloway
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Titleist 915 D Driver
Tour Exotics EX 10 Beta 15 degree 3 wood
Tour Exotics EX 10 19, 22 degree hybrids
Wilson C-200 Irons 5-GW
Titleist Vokey SM 6 52-56 degree wedges
Putter.... rotating 3. Whatever one is in the bag is always on notice. Putters have to be able to float and fly.
My next purchase will probable be a driver. Like most hacks, I am convinced that there is one out there that syncs perfectly with my swing flaws and will give me 15 more yards.
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tower
Well done. I am the most excited I have been in 15 years for golf season to begin. Kids grown, all out of college and going to try and play as much as possible. For many, many years I was a minimum 100 round a year guy and been 10-15 for a decade. Fingers crossed that the game I came home from FL with with a month ago is for real.
It is a pleasure to hear someone wants to play more often than I do. Very rare. Your Florida game is real, if it looks and feels like your game when you were playing that often. The question is whether it is permanent. And is peak form ever permanent?
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Michigan. 42 degrees. 15 mph west wind. Course is flat like a Florida course, holes framed with ponds. 6500 from the tips. Great for walking. Hit some perfect shots through the wind, made some putts. 6 birdies overall. 8th round overall this year. Can't let a little thing like windchill stop you.
I have always embraced windy days golfing. If for no other reason than most guys hate it and let it affect their game. My winning % is much higher playing with a lot of wind.
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They hate it and let their ego get in the way. 120 yards should be a wedge, darn it. I'll just swing harder. Hits it straight up, it goes 100 yards and plugs in a bunker. Hello double or triple. Meanwhile, I am choking down a 9 or even an 8, swinging easy, hitting it to 25 feet and moving on.
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don't ya just hate guys who when you're on, say a 170 yard hole, maybe a 5-10 mph wind shifting from right to left to in your face-he hits one 10 yards short and ya ask him what he hit-he goes something like, "my 8 iron and you're thinking, no knob, what distance were ya playing?? i mean those guys always have to try to tell ya how long their schlong is...p!sses me off
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If I could go through an entire golf course only using a hybrid, wedge, a putter, and a 7 iron every once in a great while (bump and run and what not) I would be in okay shape. Unfortunately unless it's a par 3 course that isn't exactly an option.
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They hate it and let their ego get in the way. 120 yards should be a wedge, darn it. I'll just swing harder. Hits it straight up, it goes 100 yards and plugs in a bunker. Hello double or triple. Meanwhile, I am choking down a 9 or even an 8, swinging easy, hitting it to 25 feet and moving on.
Exactimento.
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My 11 year old needs to graduate from the cheapo junior clubs.
What do you guys recommend? Buy some random set, or go to a golf shop? Where?
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I don't know how tall your 11 year old is. I know MY 11 year old isn't quite tall enough for these yet.
http://www.touredge.com/products/bazooka360varsity.asp
But they do have a complete set targeted at 9-12 year olds.
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Come one guys, no hybrids here. Still hit the 2,3 and 4 irons quote well. Always loved hitting long irons and still do to this day.
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Come one guys, no hybrids here. Still hit the 2,3 and 4 irons quote well. Always loved hitting long irons and still do to this day.
There is nothing better than the feel of a pured long iron. Sadly, I did not get that feeling often enough. Not to mention, out of the rough from 190+ with a long iron, I have no chance. With a hybrid, I do.
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How early did people get their kids playing golf? My son has great eye-hand coordination but at 2 and a half it seems way too early. I'm super excited to get a regular playing partner but don't want to push it too hard or too early. Not looking to make a tour pro here just someone who likes to go out and play a round with his old man once a week.
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How early did people get their kids playing golf?
The First Tee in MKE has a pretty good program. I want to say the kids started it around age 8.
http://www.thefirstteesoutheastwisconsin.org/programs/
We mainly went to short par 3's around the area .. When my son turned 11, we did play a couple rounds at a real course -- but make sure you have a golf cart, as you're chasing down errant shots all the time.
Last year the First program had a fantastic parent/child tournament at Brown Deer. It was like $20 for 9 holes plus cart on a Sunday afternoon, alternating shots, with the parents driving on long holes, and kids exempt from sand traps.
They served hot dogs and burgers afterwards for the 'award ceremony'. I think we were 11 over, and far off the lead .. but then they explained some kind of handicap system, like they figured your handicap from holes 1-3-5. Well, we'd done really poorly on those holes, so had a great handicap .. so we won a sizable trophy. Yay, math!
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My 11 year old needs to graduate from the cheapo junior clubs.
What do you guys recommend? Buy some random set, or go to a golf shop? Where?
That's tough as he's not done growing, so a fitting is very unnecessary. What kind of cheapo clubs? Why is the upgrade needed? What's his handicap?
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Come one guys, no hybrids here. Still hit the 2,3 and 4 irons quote well. Always loved hitting long irons and still do to this day.
I dream of the day I can ditch the hybrids.
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That's tough as he's not done growing, so a fitting is very unnecessary. What kind of cheapo clubs? Why is the upgrade needed? What's his handicap?
I guess I see his current junior clubs as very low quality. Could he use them another year? Maybe, but I'd rather upgrade.
It's funny .. he has a nice swing, but when he strikes the ball, it's just awful, he hooks it something fierce. (He's a lefty .. does that reverse the term, so it's a slice?)
I have no idea how to instruct him to fix. He'll do golf lessons again this summer, hope they can fix it.
But .. I also think his clubs are super cheap and could be part of the issue, thus the upgrade.
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I guess I see his current junior clubs as very low quality. Could he use them another year? Maybe, but I'd rather upgrade.
It's funny .. he has a nice swing, but when he strikes the ball, it's just awful, he hooks it something fierce. (He's a lefty .. does that reverse the term, so it's a slice?)
I have no idea how to instruct him to fix. He'll do golf lessons again this summer, hope they can fix it.
But .. I also think his clubs are super cheap and could be part of the issue, thus the upgrade.
Could be a shaft issue with a cheap set if the swing looks decent.
IMO, I'd buy a set of used cavity backs off of GlobalGolf or Callaway Preowned. Look over the 2016/2017 Golf Digest Hot Lists for Game Improvement and Super Game Improvement Irons, and find a used set. Make sure the lengths are standard. It'll be a decent enough set to use before dropping a lot more money on a fitting and new irons.
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My dad started me at 4 on the range/practice green. 5 on the course.
I played with a garbage set (wood, 3 irons, putter) until 8/9. Got a "junior" set (driver, 3 wood, 3 5 7 9 iron, putter) until 14. Got dad's handme down set at 15 birthday.
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Come one guys, no hybrids here. Still hit the 2,3 and 4 irons quote well. Always loved hitting long irons and still do to this day.
yo goose-i'm sure you know why during a thunderstorm out in the middle of a golf course-if there are no shelters nearby, just grab your 2 iron and hold hit high above your head... ;D
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rocket
I took my one iron out of my bag probably 20 years ago. For one month I hit off the tee over my driver and had some fun. I do agree with tower, not using hybrids is big disadvantage.
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rocket
I took my one iron out of my bag probably 20 years ago. For one month I hit off the tee over my driver and had some fun. I do agree with tower, not using hybrids is big disadvantage.
oh-is it a 1 iron the Big Guy has trouble hitting? my mistake, i thought it was the 2 iron. i have a wood shafted 1 iron from an old neighbor of mine who has long since passed. it's hanging on my rec room wall next to a blown up photo of my favorite hole at corrales and u.s. open pennant from whistling
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Rocket
My game has seriously regressed over last decade due to serious lack of play, but parts of game almost look like I played some golf in my day. It actually makes me laugh that I still hit my long irons purer than I do my mid irons.
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I started my 11 year old when he was two. Plastic ball, plastic club, 9 holes at a time. If his interest waned, no biggy. I have a vivid memory of hitting a shot, turning to look for him, and he was 25 yards away chasing a butterfly.
Topper, mine hits left-handed, too. That link I posted has left handed clubs. Are you looking for adult clubs or transitional? If there is a good independent pro shop in the area, go there first.
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My dad started me at 4 on the range/practice green. 5 on the course.
I played with a garbage set (wood, 3 irons, putter) until 8/9. Got a "junior" set (driver, 3 wood, 3 5 7 9 iron, putter) until 14. Got dad's handme down set at 15 birthday.
Good stuff. It's gonna suck because my son is very definitely right handed and I'm lefty. No hand me downs for me.
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I started my 11 year old when he was two. Plastic ball, plastic club, 9 holes at a time. If his interest waned, no biggy. I have a vivid memory of hitting a shot, turning to look for him, and he was 25 yards away chasing a butterfly.
Topper, mine hits left-handed, too. That link I posted has left handed clubs. Are you looking for adult clubs or transitional? If there is a good independent pro shop in the area, go there first.
Yeah, he's got a plastic driver and ball and he plays with it on the drive way where he hits it to me(swing like a hockey stick) and I kick it back and 90% of the time he hits it back while it's on the move to him. I think this summer I'm going to take a morning off and go to an out of the way course and play 9 with him with me and see if he wants to hit when I do.
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Be prepared to rake bunkers. Little boys love bunkers.
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Be prepared to rake bunkers. Little boys love bunkers.
That's fine, I spend a lot of time at the beach.
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This is what my 4 iron (I don't go any lower) is used for mainly.
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Curious....has anyone ever played with the old wooden clubs? Like Bobby Jones old wooden clubs, not a bad 70s 3 wood? Mashies and niblicks, etc.
Or the old gut balls.
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"oh-is it a 1 iron the Big Guy has trouble hitting? my mistake, i thought it was the 2 iron."
absolutely no disrespect on ya goose and your abilities to pinch the low irons or to put you in the same category as our Deity, but legend has it that He did have trouble hitting the 1 iron. so goes the story to wave it like a mad man walking on a golf course thru a thunderstorm to stay safe
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Curious....has anyone ever played with the old wooden clubs? Like Bobby Jones old wooden clubs, not a bad 70s 3 wood? Mashies and niblicks, etc.
Or the old gut balls.
weren't the old persimons considered to be the "big berthas" of that time?
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Curious....has anyone ever played with the old wooden clubs? Like Bobby Jones old wooden clubs, not a bad 70s 3 wood? Mashies and niblicks, etc.
Or the old gut balls.
No, but I found an old putter in my parents' basement and I insisted on using it for a summer because it was "cool," a conversation piece. Then I bought a new putter for myself and it instantly made me think, "That was really stupid to use that old piece of crap."
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Faldo was a heel. Vijay was a heel. Ian Poulter was a heel at Ryder Cups. Monty. Hell, Jack started out as a heel compared to Arnie. Nothing wrong with it and nothing guarantees that it is forever. Congratulations, Patrick.
Let’s not forget the most famous heel-turned-face-turned-heel-turned-face-turned-something-something-something, Hulk Hogan.
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Let’s not forget the most famous heel-turned-face-turned-heel-turned-face-turned-something-something-something, Hulk Hogan.
Never forget what Hulk did to Macho Man Randy Savage. No human can absorb that many Big Leg Drops. Bah gawd.
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I see some folks here partook in a Wrestlemania viewing party last week.
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Curious....has anyone ever played with the old wooden clubs? Like Bobby Jones old wooden clubs, not a bad 70s 3 wood? Mashies and niblicks, etc.
Or the old gut balls.
My first garage sale set had a wood shafted 6 iron and a thick wood shafted 2 iron. If I had kept them, a collector would have loved them. The 2 iron was nearly unhittable.
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My first garage sale set had a wood shafted 6 iron and a thick wood shafted 2 iron. If I had kept them, a collector would have loved them. The 2 iron was nearly unhittable.
I met a guy years ago, (at a truckstop? Jaybee's crib?), his hobby was restoring the old hickory sticks. They were absolutely beautiful clubs. I could probably hit a ball 25 yards with them.
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I met a guy years ago at a truckstop
... is the start to about 20% of Penthouse Forum letters.
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I see some folks here partook in a Wrestlemania viewing party last week.
WrestleFest at County Stadium (steel cage match between Andre and Hulk) was pretty much both the pinnacle and the end of my professional wrestling viewing days.
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I met a guy years ago at a truckstop...
... is the start to about 20% of Penthouse Forum letters.
Ummm...yeah...it's been a while, but my recollection of Penthouse Forum letters was that they were far more likely to start with, "I met a hot chick in my apartment laundry room..." than "I met a guy at a truckstop..." Maybe my memory is fading. Maybe I blocked the truckstop stories. I seem to recall that the target audience would be far more interested in the former scenario than the latter.
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... is the start to about 20% of Penthouse Forum letters.
Life gets lonely on da bottled water delivery route, aina?
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... is the start to about 20% of Penthouse Forum letters.
Ummm...yeah...it's been a while, but my recollection of Penthouse Forum letters was that they were far more likely to start with, "I met a hot chick in my apartment laundry room..." than "I met a guy at a truckstop..." Maybe my memory is fading. Maybe I blocked the truckstop stories. I seem to recall that the target audience would be far more interested in the former scenario than the latter.
Looks like 82's been readin' his old lady's dirty magazines again.
Or is that why 4never calls you "Nads"?
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Ummm...yeah...it's been a while, but my recollection of Penthouse Forum letters was that they were far more likely to start with, "I met a hot chick in my apartment laundry room..." than "I met a guy at a truckstop..." Maybe my memory is fading. Maybe I blocked the truckstop stories. I seem to recall that the target audience would be far more interested in the former scenario than the latter.
Yeah ... as if we all believe "it's been a while"!
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Yeah ... as if we all believe "it's been a while"!
Hey, "a while" is an [intentionally] vague time frame. Five minutes is, "a while."
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Ramsey County, MN
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The organizers of my annual trip to Treetops the 3 days after Memorial Day are starting a betting pool as to whether there will still be snow in the low lying shady spots. The ski resorts in northern lower Michigan are projecting being open through the first weekend in May.
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The organizers of my annual trip to Treetops the 3 days after Memorial Day are starting a betting pool as to whether there will still be snow in the low lying shady spots. The ski resorts in northern lower Michigan are projecting being open through the first weekend in May.
You play Threetops? How is it? Do you get in 36/day? More? I'd love to get up there sometime.
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I have played 3tops a few times. Very cool. We play 90 holes in 3 days. Scrambles in the morning of the first two days. Skins in the afternoons. Third morning, whatever game you can put together. Then, if you want, you can play Threetops for an extra $20 or go home. My decision is made by who wants a game and whether there is little league practice or game that night.
If you want a pure golf challenge, I recommend Garland. It is a little more remote, but the golf is tougher. The on-site cabins are really sweet. 20 minutes from the nearest stop light. Treetops does a really good job. Plus, if you want to get off site, Gaylord is right there and you are 5 minutes from I-75. If you are staying at Treetops, try to go next door to the Otsego Club and play the Tribute. IMO, the Tribute has more dramatic elevation changes than anything at Treetops.
Forest Dunes is destination golf. Arcadia Bluffs is the Michigan equivalent of Whistling Straits.
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I have played 3tops a few times. Very cool. We play 90 holes in 3 days. Scrambles in the morning of the first two days. Skins in the afternoons. Third morning, whatever game you can put together. Then, if you want, you can play Threetops for an extra $20 or go home. My decision is made by who wants a game and whether there is little league practice or game that night.
If you want a pure golf challenge, I recommend Garland. It is a little more remote, but the golf is tougher. The on-site cabins are really sweet. 20 minutes from the nearest stop light. Treetops does a really good job. Plus, if you want to get off site, Gaylord is right there and you are 5 minutes from I-75. If you are staying at Treetops, try to go next door to the Otsego Club and play the Tribute. IMO, the Tribute has more dramatic elevation changes than anything at Treetops.
Forest Dunes is destination golf. Arcadia Bluffs is the Michigan equivalent of Whistling Straits.
Have you been able to get onto Crystal Downs?
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No.
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No.
Sometimes if your local club pro has some connections they can get you on.
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Sometimes if your local club pro has some connections they can get you on.
I don't play at private courses or enough at any one public course to have a club pro to hook me up.
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I don't play at private courses or enough at any one public course to have a club pro to hook me up.
If you want to play an interesting course check out Lincoln Hills in Ludington. Tight rolling greens set near the big lake. You don't need to use driver a lot very sandy conditions.
It is a club but open to the public as well . I had fond memories of it back in the day when people of my color were not generally allowed to play private courses I could pay my fees and get on. Haven't been there in years but I imagine they have done good things with the course.
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Intriguing