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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 03, 2018, 11:02:39 PM
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https://painttouches.com/2018/04/03/2018-transfer-tracker-april-3rd-edition/
We already got the free agent tracker up and running. Here is our list/analysis of the top 15 available traditional transfers (surprise, Marquette is recruiting two of them). We have 15 bonus names on there as well. This list has everything, point guards, wings, forwards, centers, and even a scoop Easter egg or two if you look hard enough.
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I don't think you know how to define "traditional"
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Which one comps out to Derrick Wilson
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I am all for Carton or Wilson in the 2019 class, but grabbing a traditional transfer PG (in addition to a grad transfer point) wouldn't be bad idea.
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This may seem way out there but how about Isiah Brown as a transfer from Northwestern? Thought he was a tremendous talent his freshman year, but for whatever reason didn't seem to click with the Northwestern coaching staff this season and saw his minutes drop.
He could just be terrible, but he's a slashing point guard with decent height.
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https://painttouches.com/2018/04/03/2018-transfer-tracker-april-3rd-edition/
We already got the free agent tracker up and running. Here is our list/analysis of the top 15 available traditional transfers (surprise, Marquette is recruiting two of them). We have 15 bonus names on there as well. This list has everything, point guards, wings, forwards, centers, and even a scoop Easter egg or two if you look hard enough.
Any pogo sticks on this list? We need a 6-7 6-8 strong athletic type who can compliment some of the softer type players we have .
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Any pogo sticks on this list? We need a 6-7 6-8 strong athletic type who can compliment some of the softer type players we have .
Meh. We need a PG.
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Any pogo sticks on this list? We need a 6-7 6-8 strong athletic type who can compliment some of the softer type players we have .
So he can squish them?
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https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/982282267249623040?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/982282267249623040?s=21
I like that, though i would prefer Carr.
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I like that, though i would prefer Carr.
Agreed.
I'm not convinced we need a traditional transfer PG but certainly wouldn't mind it. I'm a fan of best player available for our second scholarship.
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Any pogo sticks on this list? We need a 6-7 6-8 strong athletic type who can compliment some of the softer type players we have .
Ed Morrow?
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Should we have a new thread for traditionals that transfer traditionally?
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Ed Morrow?
Ed, Theo, Sam, Joey. MUFINY knows this, his post is more of his performance art schtick.
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https://twitter.com/cjmoorehoops/status/982285574248677376?s=21
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Any pogo sticks on this list? We need a 6-7 6-8 strong athletic type who can compliment some of the softer type players we have .
for the record-are pogo sticks traditional or non traditional?
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https://twitter.com/cjmoorehoops/status/982285574248677376?s=21
This tweet is written weird...first it makes it sound like he is visiting Iowa State, MU and Grand Canyon all this weekend...LOL Second of all, if you read the comments CJ Moore(the author of the tweet) responds to an Iowa State fan asking if there as an official visit set to Iowa State yet, and he says No just the in home, so I THINK this tweet is just referring to who he has in home visits with, although it isn't written that way ?-(.
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2018/04/07/detroit-mercy-star-corey-allen-says-transferring/33641653/
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So while on other college basketball themed corners of the internet, I came across this graphic:
(https://i.redd.it/n024hvxfuiq01.jpg)
I can’t speak for its accuracy, but a few things pop out. North Carolina hasn’t had transfers out since 2010 (why leave if you get to play basketball without ever going to class?). There are successful teams with many transfers (Virginia) and few (UNC). There are bad teams with many transfers (BC) and few (Georgia Tech).
So I thought I’d compare this to the Big East. I calculated this by looking at recruiting classes and rosters. If you were in the “recruiting class”, appeared on the roster, but were not on the roster for four (or five) years, you’re on the list, even if you didn’t “transfer” to another school. I also didn’t dig deeply to see who is transferring this year, but I included the ones I know about, like Froling and Lovett. I guarantee I made mistakes, but this should give you an idea.
Villanova: 4
Butler: 7
Creighton: 7
Georgetown: 7
Providence: 8
Xavier: 8
Seton Hall: 9
DePaul: 11
Marquette: 11 (Froling, Cheatham, Carter, Cohen, Du Wilson, Burton, Dawson, Taylor, Ferguson, Jones, Smith)
St. John’s: 12
This list, which took me way too long to put together, looks a lot scarier than the ACC list, since the teams at the bottom of this list have been mostly bad. Butler weathered two coaching changes with only seven transfers!
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Missed a few for Marquette. Jeronne Maymon, Jameel McKay and Gabe Levin off the top of my head.
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Missed a few for Marquette. Jeronne Maymon, Jameel McKay and Gabe Levin off the top of my head.
Maymon was recruited before 2010. I didn’t count guys who never appeared on a roster, most teams had 2-3 of those too
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North Carolina may have had no true transfers, but they've had a few players transfer after discipline issues. For example Jalek Felton didn't get kicked out, but he was suspended from the team and decided to transfer before going through the conduct process.
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So while on other college basketball themed corners of the internet, I came across this graphic:
(https://i.redd.it/n024hvxfuiq01.jpg)
I can’t speak for its accuracy, but a few things pop out. North Carolina hasn’t had transfers out since 2010 (why leave if you get to play basketball without ever going to class?). There are successful teams with many transfers (Virginia) and few (UNC). There are bad teams with many transfers (BC) and few (Georgia Tech).
So I thought I’d compare this to the Big East. I calculated this by looking at recruiting classes and rosters. If you were in the “recruiting class”, appeared on the roster, but were not on the roster for four (or five) years, you’re on the list, even if you didn’t “transfer” to another school. I also didn’t dig deeply to see who is transferring this year, but I included the ones I know about, like Froling and Lovett. I guarantee I made mistakes, but this should give you an idea.
Villanova: 4
Butler: 7
Creighton: 7
Georgetown: 7
Providence: 8
Xavier: 8
Seton Hall: 9
DePaul: 11
Marquette: 11 (Froling, Cheatham, Carter, Cohen, Du Wilson, Burton, Dawson, Taylor, Ferguson, Jones, Smith)
St. John’s: 12
This list, which took me way too long to put together, looks a lot scarier than the ACC list, since the teams at the bottom of this list have been mostly bad. Butler weathered two coaching changes with only seven transfers!
What should stand out here is the bottom three also seem to have been playing in the first round of Big East tournament.
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@GoodmanESPN: Utah State transfer Koby McEwen has a final 3 of Creighton, Grand Canyon and Marquette, sources told ESPN. Averaged 15.6 points per game last season.
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@GoodmanESPN: Utah State transfer Koby McEwen has a final 3 of Creighton, Grand Canyon and Marquette, sources told ESPN. Averaged 15.6 points per game last season.
Have to think that with Wojo talking to Carton and Watts that Koby is leaning our way, yes? It'll be interesting to see how this one shakes out.
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A lot of potential with McEwen.
6-4, lean, quick, shot 42% from 3 as a FR (only 33% as SO, but 42% means he can shoot). Way too many TOs, but that can be improved upon (just as it was with Rowsey).
2 years of eligibility remaining, starting in 2019-20 (presumably after grad transfer PG goes).
Me likey.
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A lot of potential with McEwen.
6-4, lean, quick, shot 42% from 3 as a FR (only 33% as SO, but 42% means he can shoot). Way too many TOs, but that can be improved upon (just as it was with Rowsey).
2 years of eligibility remaining, starting in 2019-20 (presumably after grad transfer PG goes).
Me likey.
Also, MWC frosh of the year followed by 3rd team MWC this year.
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McEwen looks like he'd be a great catch. Love his length and athleticism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv6XWudHrEk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv6XWudHrEk)
I know TAMU had mentioned he doesn't grade out that well defensively, but hopefully that is something he can improve on, because he certainly has the body to be an effective defender.
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I know TAMU had mentioned he doesn't grade out that well defensively, but hopefully that is something he can improve on, because he certainly has the body to be an effective defender.
Just wait until he gets in our strength and conditioning program and Wojo coaches him up...
Truthfully, just being 6'4 will be a major upgrade defensively.
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Id just be impressed we can pull him out of the long and honored shadow of the Legend.
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So I thought I’d compare this to the Big East. I calculated this by looking at recruiting classes and rosters. If you were in the “recruiting class”, appeared on the roster, but were not on the roster for four (or five) years, you’re on the list, even if you didn’t “transfer” to another school. I also didn’t dig deeply to see who is transferring this year, but I included the ones I know about, like Froling and Lovett. I guarantee I made mistakes, but this should give you an idea.
Villanova: 4
Butler: 7
Creighton: 7
Georgetown: 7
Providence: 8
Xavier: 8
Seton Hall: 9
DePaul: 11
Marquette: 11 (Froling, Cheatham, Carter, Cohen, Du Wilson, Burton, Dawson, Taylor, Ferguson, Jones, Smith)
St. John’s: 12
Thanks for putting in the leg work for this, definitely good to put it in perspective. I might also add Levin, Mayo, Wally and McKay. Mayo and Wally "left" for the pros and were nudged, so I can see those both ways. But the roster turnover has been very high of late (even accounting for a coaching change), and has definitely contributed to some of the issues we have seen the past few years.
Still have a minutes continuity post on the to-do list, but I'm guessing MU will rank below most BEast teams there as well.
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Thanks for putting in the leg work for this, definitely good to put it in perspective. I might also add Levin, Mayo, Wally and McKay. Mayo and Wally "left" for the pros and were nudged, so I can see those both ways. But the roster turnover has been very high of late (even accounting for a coaching change), and has definitely contributed to some of the issues we have seen the past few years.
Still have a minutes continuity post on the to-do list, but I'm guessing MU will rank below most BEast teams there as well.
I didn't include Levin, Wally, or McKay because they weren't high school recruits, but transfers in. The whole exercise was to look for high school recruits that didn't finish four years or early-entry to the NBA. Mayo went "pro" so I didn't count him (just like I didn't count Bentil, for example).
What's really sad is that since I started at Marquette (fall 2007) the only players I've been able to see play all four (or more) years are Otule, Cadougan, Gardner, Derrick Wilson, Anderson, and JuJuan (Duane was here four years too).
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I didn't include Levin, Wally, or McKay because they weren't high school recruits, but transfers in. The whole exercise was to look for high school recruits that didn't finish four years or early-entry to the NBA. Mayo went "pro" so I didn't count him (just like I didn't count Bentil, for example).
What's really sad is that since I started at Marquette (fall 2007) the only players I've been able to see play all four (or more) years are Otule, Cadougan, Gardner, Derrick Wilson, Anderson, and JuJuan (Duane was here four years too).
And all those players were average or below average players.
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And all those players were average or below average players.
Davante was average? Seems to me he won a 6th man BE award and then was 2nd team All BE. That would seem to be a wee bit above average......??
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Add Kentucky 5-star sophomore Sacha Killeya-Jones to the transfer wire. Nice advanced numbers but never got the minutes he wanted. Imagine he'll be a hot commodity.
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Add Kentucky 5-star sophomore Sacha Killeya-Jones to the transfer wire. Nice advanced numbers but never got the minutes he wanted. Imagine he'll be a hot commodity.
We were in on him originally, right?
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We were in on him originally, right?
I believe we were. Pretty sure we offered, but not sure how serious it ever got.
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And all those players were average or below average players.
When they started. Cadougan and JuJuan, for example, were exactly the type of players I wish we had more of recently, instead of hoping for freshmen (Henry), transfers (Rowsey), or JUCOs (McKay) to save us and fill holes. Neither JC nor JJJ was an all-world or even all-Big East type of player but by their senior years they were solid starters.
We need to hold onto those guys who we bring in as freshmen because a top 150 player, by the time he is a senior, should be a high level starter. We would have been really bad if we started Sacar/Heldt two years ago or Greg/Jamal/Theo this year...but I'm really excited to see those guys as starters as juniors and seniors.
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When they started. Cadougan and JuJuan, for example, were exactly the type of players I wish we had more of recently, instead of hoping for freshmen (Henry), transfers (Rowsey), or JUCOs (McKay) to save us and fill holes. Neither JC nor JJJ was an all-world or even all-Big East type of player but by their senior years they were solid starters.
We need to hold onto those guys who we bring in as freshmen because a top 150 player, by the time he is a senior, should be a high level starter. We would have been really bad if we started Sacar/Heldt two years ago or Greg/Jamal/Theo this year...but I'm really excited to see those guys as starters as juniors and seniors.
Veterans make a difference, a transfer is way ahead of a freshman. JJJ was solid as a senior, so was Cadougan. But the first three years, they
were average at best. That is what Wojo is working on now, 4 classes. The first one did not work out with Henry and Cheatham leaving. MU
would be pretty good with Henry, but probably would not have the Hauser boys. Sacar and Heldt are just players.
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Well executed!
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Veterans make a difference, a transfer is way ahead of a freshman. JJJ was solid as a senior, so was Cadougan. But the first three years, they
were average at best. That is what Wojo is working on now, 4 classes. The first one did not work out with Henry and Cheatham leaving. MU
would be pretty good with Henry, but probably would not have the Hauser boys. Sacar and Heldt are just players...
...for now. If they turn out like Junior and JJJ, they should be "solid" as seniors. Fifth year Sacar could be the gritty old guy we haven't had since...I can't even remember one!
You're right that transfers (and some JUCOs) are way ahead of Freshmen. But, I'd rather see us bring in guys and develop them for 3-4 years rather than the rotating door of 1 year grad transfers.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/281gx1.jpg)
Sums it up well.
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https://painttouches.com/2018/04/03/2018-transfer-tracker-april-3rd-edition/
We have another update. 4 names off the list and 4 names added. Marquette seems to be zeroing in on one of them.
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Rothstein tweeted that McEwen will have an in home visit with MU on Friday and an official visit to Grand Canyon this weekend.
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MU was originally shceduled to do an in home with McEwen last week. That was either rescheduled to this weekend, Wojo is visiting again, or perhaps McEwen is actually do a campus visit and Rothstein's info is bad. I am thinking it was probably rescheduled - seems strange to do 2 in homes.
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MU was originally shceduled to do an in home with McEwen last week. That was either rescheduled to this weekend, Wojo is visiting again, or perhaps McEwen is actually do a campus visit and Rothstein's info is bad. I am thinking it was probably rescheduled - seems strange to do 2 in homes.
I'm thinking it was rescheduled. Wojo was in Montreal on Saturday, and both Detroit and Iowa on Sunday.
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I'm thinking it was rescheduled. Wojo was in Montreal on Saturday, and both Detroit and Iowa on Sunday.
Assuming Carton was Iowa, Rocket Watts Detroit?
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Assuming Carton was Iowa, Rocket Watts Detroit?
Correct
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I’m sure it’s been discussed but anyone know why the CSU kid is looking at Grand Canyon? I’m guessing that’s where his old coach/friend went but I haven’t seen anything confirming that.
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I’m sure it’s been discussed but anyone know why the CSU kid is looking at Grand Canyon? I’m guessing that’s where his old coach/friend went but I haven’t seen anything confirming that.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22437323/grand-canyon-only-profit-team-division-is-building-monster-desert
Fantastic facilities. Former NBA player as head coach.
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I’m sure it’s been discussed but anyone know why the CSU kid is looking at Grand Canyon? I’m guessing that’s where his old coach/friend went but I haven’t seen anything confirming that.
Grand Canyon is on a lot of transfers. They've been a better low major the past few years and I think they have a quality coaching staff. Sure they are selling Mcewen on being the man
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Grand Canyon is on a lot of transfers. They've been a better low major the past few years and I think they have a quality coaching staff. Sure they are selling Mcewen on being the man
And the weather!
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In case we want Rowsey 2.0:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4067696/macio-teague
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22437323/grand-canyon-only-profit-team-division-is-building-monster-desert
Fantastic facilities. Former NBA player as head coach.
But do you get better playing that type of conference competition?
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But do you get better playing that type of conference competition?
You go as far as you can, then jump to a better conference. Maybe the WCC? Eventually the MWC?
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You go as far as you can, then jump to a better conference. Maybe the WCC? Eventually the MWC?
I'm talking McEwen specifically, not Grand Canyon as a school.
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But do you get better playing that type of conference competition?
Well I wouldn't go there. I'm just saying why some would find it intriguing.
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Grand Canyon is on a lot of transfers. They've been a better low major the past few years and I think they have a quality coaching staff. Sure they are selling Mcewen on being the man
and only having to take on-line classes.
I never thought there would be a safety school for Arizona State applicants but lo and behold, there's Grand Canyon.
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In case we want Rowsey 2.0:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4067696/macio-teague
I'm intrigued. Seems like a good option if we don't get McEwen (and maybe instead of McEwen).
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I'm intrigued. Seems like a good option if we don't get McEwen (and maybe instead of McEwen).
If we want a point, McEwen is the pick. Teague is probably the better overall player
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/984452718017286144?s=19
Burke announced his transfer after I posted the last update but he'll be on the next update unless theres a rush of talented transfers
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/984452718017286144?s=19
Burke announced his transfer after I posted the last update but he'll be on the next update unless theres a rush of talented transfers
This would be one hell of a pick up
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Burke looks like a nice player. Is he a true point or more of an offguard?
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Burke looks like a nice player. Is he a true point or more of an offguard?
He mostly played the 3 last year, but did back up at the 1 and 2.
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I wish the staff would be in heavy pursuit of Malachi Flynn, the transfer from Washington State...He'd be my pick of all the traditional transfers out there.
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Marquette has checked in on Prentiss Nixon, Colorado State transfer.
I believe he'd be a sit 1, play 1 player, but perhaps he has a chance at a waiver due to coaching change. Unlikely.
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https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/colorado-state-transfer-prentiss-nixon-down-to-four
Nixon has narrowed his list to Iowa State, Illinois State, SMU, and Loyola. Honestly, I think some coaches did their homework to see if he had a chance to be immediately eligible and lost interest when it became clear that he'd likely be a sit one play one.
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https://painttouches.com/2018/04/03/2018-transfer-tracker-april-3rd-edition/
Another week, another update
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The one that sounds like a Mongolian address, Yurtseven, announced a transfer to Georgetown.
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The one that sounds like a Mongolian address, Yurtseven, announced a transfer to Georgetown.
Now that’s funny.
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NOt sure if its been mentioned that he will be here tomorrow. With 3 people in this week, you would hope they could get at least 1 of them
This is from The Athletics Transfer Tracker
Dachon Burke, G, Robert Morris:[/size] Burke tells [/color][/size]The Fieldhouse[/color][/size] that he will visit St. John's on April 23, in addition to visits this week with Pitt (Tuesday), Nebraska (Wednesday) and Marquette (Thursday). Burke led Robert Morris in scoring at more than 17 points per game last season. He must sit next year and will have two years of eligibility remaining.[/color]
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I believe that Thursday visit will be a home visit from the staff.
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Be curious to see if Austin Reaves from Wichita State lands in the next one of these and if Wojo reaches out. Sit one, play two combo guard that averaged 8.1 ppg and shot 42% from beyond the arc.
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NOt sure if its been mentioned that he will be here tomorrow. With 3 people in this week, you would hope they could get at least 1 of them
This is from The Athletics Transfer Tracker
Dachon Burke, G, Robert Morris:[/size] Burke tells [/color][/size]The Fieldhouse[/color][/size] that he will visit St. John's on April 23, in addition to visits this week with Pitt (Tuesday), Nebraska (Wednesday) and Marquette (Thursday). Burke led Robert Morris in scoring at more than 17 points per game last season. He must sit next year and will have two years of eligibility remaining.[/color]
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Who are the 3 in this week? Thanks
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Chartouney
Koby McEwen this weekend
and I thought Burke, but apparently we are going to go to see him
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Thanks—JC and KM would be fantastic.
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https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/High-major-prioritizing-Pitt-transfers-Marcus-Carr-117524598
Wojo still prioritizing Marcus Carr
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https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/High-major-prioritizing-Pitt-transfers-Marcus-Carr-117524598
Wojo still prioritizing Marcus Carr
Good to hear. He's at the top of my traditional transfer wish list. I like him significantly more than Koby.
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Carr highlights from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDKGxn6q5Dw
Strong with the ball in his hands, great pentrator, finisher, and passer. And his defense is better than his offense. What's not to like?
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Good to hear. He's at the top of my traditional transfer wish list. I like him significantly more than Koby.
+1000...not to mention he'd have 3 years of eligibility left, as opposed to 2 for McEwen.
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Carr highlights from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDKGxn6q5Dw
Strong with the ball in his hands, great pentrator, finisher, and passer. And his defense is better than his offense. What's not to like?
A last place team that did not win one game in the ACC.....Skinny and gets dislodged......
vs.....
Freshman of the year all conference (sound familiar...Rowsey)......who is a combo that gives us flexibility on the final guard spot in taking a PG, SG, or combo guard in 19....
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Unless I'm mistaken, McEwen is the leader in the clubhouse for the last scholarship and it will be up to him and as long as the visit went well with the coaches and players. They aren't going to tell him to wait until another player possibly visits and may wait a month to make a decision.
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Unless I'm mistaken, McEwen is the leader in the clubhouse for the last scholarship and it will be up to him and as long as the visit went well with the coaches and players. They aren't going to tell him to wait until another player possibly visits and may wait a month to make a decision.
That seems to be the conventional wisdom. They've recruited McEwen pretty heavily.
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I think they would prefer to get Carr, but he's taking his time with his recruitment. The last spot is absolutely McEwen's if he wants it. Hope he has enjoyed his visit. In fact, let's prep the bunker just in case:
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I think they would prefer to get Carr, but he's taking his time with his recruitment. The last spot is absolutely McEwen's if he wants it. Hope he has enjoyed his visit. In fact, let's prep the bunker just in case:
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I think that is true in regards to Carr. But I'm down with the Maple Mamba, too.
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Phew, got to the bunker just in time
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Milwaukee just lost its three top players to transfer....they announced on the same day. Woof. That is a program that cannot catch a break.
Some of the three are actually pretty good, maybe Wojo can adopt one of them eh?
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In other semi Marquette related transfer news, former commit Phillip Flory is transferring from Seton Hall. He was a preferred walk on. I'm guessing that he thought he would get a scholarship his second year but its looking like the Pirates are going to use all 13 scholarships again. Hope he finds a good landing spot, I think he could be a solid player at a low major program.
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In other semi Marquette related transfer news, former commit Phillip Flory is transferring from Seton Hall. He was a preferred walk on. I'm guessing that he thought he would get a scholarship his second year but its looking like the Pirates are going to use all 13 scholarships again. Hope he finds a good landing spot, I think he could be a solid player at a low major program.
Remind me of the Flory story. What happened that made him never darken MU's doorstep?
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Remind me of the Flory story. What happened that made him never darken MU's doorstep?
He decommitted during Wojo's first year. I think it was a mutual parting. He did have a lot of potential when he verballed but injuries derailed his high school career.
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We cooled on him
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Didn't he have a knee injury?
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If by ‘mutual parting’ you mean that Wojo made it part of his initial official business as HC and called PF and said HELL NO, then I would agree with you.
This breakup was 100% PF getting dumped by the new regime.......that is far from a mutual parting. I assure that PF’s camp didn’t also agree that this split was best for everyone.
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If by ‘mutual parting’ you mean that Wojo made it part of his initial official business as HC and called PF and said HELL NO, then I would agree with you.
This breakup was 100% PF getting dumped by the new regime.......that is far from a mutual parting. I assure that PF’s camp didn’t also agree that this split was best for everyone.
I mean, it happens. He's leaving Seton Hall where he was a walk on, it's not like Flory is a Big East caliber player.
Probably was beneficial to Flory as he would have seen zero minutes for Marquette.
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Absolutely agree. Wojo had bigger plans.
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Flory is doing a Juan Anderson and looking around but may come back. Basically he wants to get someone to pay his tuition. Willard was quoted at one point saying that Flory was good enough to be an effective player at the MAAC level. After a year of practicing with Seton Hall and 23 game appearances (mostly in junk time but did get in for 17 minutes againsts St. Johns) he may be worth something to one of those teams. Will be interesting to see which direction he goes.
https://twitter.com/PhilipJFlory/status/988608681154695168
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/988603967440637952
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Jay Bee is gonna have a good time with that tweet (nh).
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Some More Philip Flory Drama at Seton Hall. He is looking for deals where he can get a scholarship but wants to stay at Seton Hall if one opens up. Looks like Albany has come through with an offer and some people at Nebraska think they should be looking at Flory. Now one of the Seton Hall guards is going to look for greener pastures so a deal at Seton Hall may emerge. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Wouldn't be surprised to see UWM get into the mix.
http://www.thesetonian.com/2018/04/27/philip-flory-settles-record-on-his-transfer-status/
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/990268834820116480
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/990314380360380423
https://huskercorner.com/2018/04/27/nebraska-basketball-phillip-flory/
http://www.thesetonian.com/2018/04/30/seton-hall-guard-eron-gordon-announces-decision-to-transfer/
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Jay Bee is gonna have a good time with that tweet (nh).
when should we drop the acceptance of blatant homophobia?
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Question. If one is a preferred walk-on, are you still subject to the sit out rule if you accept a scholly at another institution and transfer?
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Question. If one is a preferred walk-on, are you still subject to the sit out rule if you accept a scholly at another institution and transfer?
No. That is why Flory can be eligible immediately if he transfers.
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No. That is why Flory can be eligible immediately if he transfers.
+1
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Flory might get that scholarship at Seton Hall if he wants it. They just had another player transfer, Jordan Walker. PG spot is going to be very interesting for them next season.
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Flory might get that scholarship at Seton Hall if he wants it. They just had another player transfer, Jordan Walker. PG spot is going to be very interesting for them next season.
I hope "interesting" means "incompetent" ... we could use a couple of easy wins!
I prophesize JCS having a couple of fine games against them.
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I hope "interesting" means "incompetent" ... we could use a couple of easy wins!
I prophesize JCS having a couple of fine games against them.
I think part of these transfers from Seton Hall is a recognition internally that Quincy McKnight has locked up the starting spot for a couple of years. Kids on teams generally can see these things better than fans. Que up the Quincy McKnight haters who will point out his bad advanced stats...
Flory may be the last man standing and get his scholarship. Otherwise he goes to Albany and takes Cremos old spot.
http://www.thesetonian.com/2018/05/02/seton-hall-loses-second-guard-in-three-days-with-walkers-exit/
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Flory might get that scholarship at Seton Hall if he wants it. They just had another player transfer, Jordan Walker. PG spot is going to be very interesting for them next season.
Agreed - dont have their current roster in the top 100 at value add
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I think part of these transfers from Seton Hall is a recognition internally that Quincy McKnight has locked up the starting spot for a couple of years. Kids on teams generally can see these things better than fans. Que up the Quincy McKnight haters who will point out his bad advanced stats...
Flory may be the last man standing and get his scholarship. Otherwise he goes to Albany and takes Cremos old spot.
http://www.thesetonian.com/2018/05/02/seton-hall-loses-second-guard-in-three-days-with-walkers-exit/
Why does pointing out stats make someone a hater?
I do think McKnight gets the starting PG job and will be serviceable. But I don't think he's a guy you want playing 30+ minutes a game. Roberts was hurt last season but showed some promise. I think Seton Hall fans were counting on some big minutes from him behind McKnight.
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I think part of these transfers from Seton Hall is a recognition internally that Quincy McKnight has locked up the starting spot for a couple of years. Kids on teams generally can see these things better than fans. Que up the Quincy McKnight haters who will point out his bad advanced stats...
Defending McKnight based on his history is a fool's errand. Suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see you on that mission.
It isn't that McKnight was inefficient. He was, but that's not why he's problematic. It's that on a really bad team, a really inefficient team, he was generally either the least efficient. Both years, he had the worst and second worst efficiency of players playing 40+% of minutes. So on bad teams, he was among the worst of their players.
I do think he may have the starting job locked up, but that isn't a good thing for him or Seton Hall, and exactly why some think the Willard era is about to go into a flaming death spiral. Because his replacement for Khadeen Carrington was the worst player on a sub-300 team.
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Defending McKnight based on his history is a fool's errand. Suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see you on that mission.
It isn't that McKnight was inefficient. He was, but that's not why he's problematic. It's that on a really bad team, a really inefficient team, he was generally either the least efficient. Both years, he had the worst and second worst efficiency of players playing 40+% of minutes. So on bad teams, he was among the worst of their players.
I do think he may have the starting job locked up, but that isn't a good thing for him or Seton Hall, and exactly why some think the Willard era is about to go into a flaming death spiral. Because his replacement for Khadeen Carrington was the worst player on a sub-300 team.
Why does pointing out stats make someone a hater?
I do think McKnight gets the starting PG job and will be serviceable. But I don't think he's a guy you want playing 30+ minutes a game. Roberts was hurt last season but showed some promise. I think Seton Hall fans were counting on some big minutes from him behind McKnight.
Right on Que. I respect consistency.
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Why does pointing out stats make someone a hater?
We're in an alternate facts universe now. Real facts that people don't like are labeled "fake news" or "hating."
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We're in an alternate facts universe now. Real facts that people don't like are labeled "fake news" or "hating."
So true, it is becoming insane. I mean flat earther movement is on the rise...
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So true, it is becoming insane. I mean flat earther movement is on the rise...
(http://i.imgur.com/ZrLpeI1.jpg)
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Right on Que. I respect consistency.
Honest question, is the turn of phrase actually "right on que"? I also assumed it was "right on cue." But I've been wrong before. I thought the phrase "for all intents and purposes" was "for all intensive purposes" for the longest time.
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I think part of these transfers from Seton Hall is a recognition internally that Quincy McKnight has locked up the starting spot for a couple of years. Kids on teams generally can see these things better than fans. Que up the Quincy McKnight haters who will point out his bad advanced stats...
Flory may be the last man standing and get his scholarship. Otherwise he goes to Albany and takes Cremos old spot.
http://www.thesetonian.com/2018/05/02/seton-hall-loses-second-guard-in-three-days-with-walkers-exit/
It's not that. It's because the environment surrounding the program in South Orange has been toxic for the last 25 months.
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Honest question, is the turn of phrase actually "right on que"? I also assumed it was "right on cue." But I've been wrong before. I thought the phrase "for all intents and purposes" was "for all intensive purposes" for the longest time.
Well I'm pretty sure que is not an english word, so I'm going with "right on cue."
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Honest question, is the turn of phrase actually "right on que"? I also assumed it was "right on cue." But I've been wrong before. I thought the phrase "for all intents and purposes" was "for all intensive purposes" for the longest time.
Can be both, but one would be queue not que
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Can be both, but one would be queue not que
Or 'que.
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It's not that. It's because the environment surrounding the program in South Orange has been toxic for the last 25 months.
South Orange has been toxic longer than that.
Particularly as you move toward Newark and the bay.
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Honest question, is the turn of phrase actually "right on que"? I also assumed it was "right on cue." But I've been wrong before. I thought the phrase "for all intents and purposes" was "for all intensive purposes" for the longest time.
"Excuse me while I kiss this guy"
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Or 'que.
mmmmm ... 'que!
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I knew someone who thought "trouble making ends meet" was really "trouble making ends meat." She thought the "ends of meat" were cheap cuts of meat that poor people ate. A really poor person couldn't even afford to "make ends meat."
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I knew someone who thought "trouble making ends meet" was really "trouble making ends meat." She thought the "ends of meat" were cheap cuts of meat that poor people ate. A really poor person couldn't even afford to "make ends meat."
Arby's
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(http://i.imgur.com/ZrLpeI1.jpg)
TAMU, the lamp is in the middle of the flat earth. It can only shine out from that central location in one direction at a time.
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Not all that long ago, White Sox OF Carl Everett claimed dinosaurs never existed.
https://www.si.com/vault/2000/06/19/283243/mighty-mouth-a-man-of-many-strong-opinions-boston-centerfielder-carl-everett-speaks-loudly-and-carries-a-big-stick
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Honest question, is the turn of phrase actually "right on que"? I also assumed it was "right on cue." But I've been wrong before. I thought the phrase "for all intents and purposes" was "for all intensive purposes" for the longest time.
While we're on the subject, here are a few others to know:
It's "piqued my interest" not peaked.
http://www.dictionary.com/e/pique-peak-peek/
It's "wet your whistle" and "whet your appetite" not anything else.
https://www.copyediting.com/wet-your-whistle-and-whet-your-appetite/#.Wuy5MxZlCaM
Lastly, it would be "right on cue" in that context.
http://grammarist.com/usage/cue-queue/
** The more you knowwwww. **
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Not all that long ago, White Sox OF Carl Everett claimed dinosaurs never existed.
https://www.si.com/vault/2000/06/19/283243/mighty-mouth-a-man-of-many-strong-opinions-boston-centerfielder-carl-everett-speaks-loudly-and-carries-a-big-stick
My former administrative assistant is a "young earth creationist." She thinks the earth is only 5,000 or so years old.
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My former administrative assistant is a "young earth creationist." She thinks the earth is only 5,000 or so years old.
Not uncommon for big-time, far-right, bible-thumping Christians to literally think God created heaven and earth 6000 years ago. Science be damned!
I'm quite sure Mike Pence is among this group. Seriously.
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Not uncommon for big-time, far-right, bible-thumping Christians to literally think God created heaven and earth 6000 years ago. Science be damned!
I'm quite sure Mike Pence is among this group. Seriously.
Take it to Reddit!
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Flat earthers and creationists being discussed in the transfer thread, clearly we have a full roster.
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The universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old.
https://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-universe.html
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Flat earthers and creationists being discussed in the transfer thread, clearly we have a full roster.
So sorry I contributed to it. I meant to say, "ND sucks" or "Crean sucks"!
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The universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old.
https://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-universe.html
God made the universe 6,000 or so years ago. When God made it, it was made to look that old.
Why did God make it that way? God's intent is too complicated for humans to comprehend.
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When God made it, it was made to look that old.
You mean, like the way Jerry Wainwright has always been old?
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You mean, like the way Jerry Wainwright has always been old?
Again, incomprehensible to the human intellect.
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The universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old.
https://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-universe.html
Atheist
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...the goddam transfer thread of all places.
#MakeScoopReadableAgain
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...the goddam transfer thread of all places.
#MakeScoopReadableAgain
Transfer thread no matta, hey?
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Transfer thread no matta, hey?
The NM thread is more on topic...
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I mean I stopped updating the tracker once we ran out of scholarships. Think that makes this thread open season
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The NM thread is more on topic...
What TAMU said
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No. That is why Flory can be eligible immediately if he transfers.
No. You are incorrect.
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No. You are incorrect.
Why are you correct. Details please. None of this mushy mushy stuff.
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He is only immediately eligible if he transfers to a school that didn't initially recruit him.
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Damn Nevada.
The Wolfpack just landed Ehab Anim, one of the top grad transfers on the market this season. Anim is one of EIGHT transfers that will become eligible for the Wolfpack next season:
Ehab Anim: Grad Transfer PG from TAMU-CC
Trey Porter: Grad Transfer PF from Old Dominion
Tre'Shawn Thurman: Transfer SF from Omaha
Nisre Zouzoua: Transfer SG from Bryant
Corey Henson: Transfer PG from Wagner
Jazz Johnson: Transfer PG from Portland
Marquez Letcher-Ellis: Transfer SF from Rice
Marcel Petteway: Transfer PF from Bryant
In addition to those 8 players coming back, they return 4 starters and their top player off the bench (3 of these 5 are former transfers). Assuming none of them go pro (I think the Martin twins declared w/o an agent) they probably earn a one seed. I'm not sure that any university has relied on transfers this much, not even Marquette West! Even more impressive, they are a finalist for 5 star Jordan Brown, the last uncomitted top 100 in player in the 2018 class.
It will be interesting to see if they can keep up this pace. if everyone does come back, they will graduate 8 scholarship player next offseason. They only have one traditional transfer lined up for 19-20 at the moment and their incoming freshmen are all ranked 300 or below. It seems like a strategy that can work really well until you run out of steam
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Both Martin twins were invited to the Combine. Will be very interesting to see if they stay or go. Has Caroline announced if he'll be back?
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He is only immediately eligible if he transfers to a school that didn't initially recruit him.
Yes, but he could state the correct answer rather than being obtuse.
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He is only immediately eligible if he transfers to a school that didn't initially recruit him.
#FakeNews
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#FakeNews
Mr. Obtuse strikes again. Obviously Sultan meant that the guy was on not scholarship, which Flory obviously was not.
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Mr. Obtuse strikes again. Obviously Sultan meant that the guy was on scholarship, which Flory obviously was not.
Here is the rule from the NCAA site.
"One-time transfer exception: If you transfer from a four-year school, you may be immediately eligible to compete at your new school if you meet ALL the following conditions:
You are transferring to a Division II or III school, or you are transferring to a Division I school in any sport other than baseball, men's or women's basketball, football (Football Bowl Subdivision) or men’s ice hockey. If you are transferring to a Division I school for any of the previously-listed sports, you may be eligible to compete immediately if you were not recruited by your original school and you have never received an athletics scholarship.
You are academically and athletically eligible at your previous four-year school.
You receive a transfer-release agreement from your previous four-year school."
So I was wrong. I misread the "original" school. So if Flory was "recruited" by Seton Hall as a walk-on, he would have to sit?
How do you define "recruited?" Contacted in any manner?
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So I was wrong. I misread the "original" school. So if Flory was "recruited" by Seton Hall as a walk-on, he would have to sit?
How do you define "recruited?" Contacted in any manner?
I corrected my post which was missing a word. I was defending you.
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I corrected my post which was missing a word. I was defending you.
I know you were and thank you. But I was wrong.
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I know you were and thank you. But I was wrong.
Indeed u wuz! PS- re-read what you posted re: the breakdown of sports, then research the “may”.
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My quick read:
He may be OK, he may not be. It depends.
Look to 14.5.5.2.10.
He does not meet the requirements of 14.5.5.2.10-(a) because he played men’s basketball. However, there is a one-time exception available under 14.5.5.2.10.2 if he was not recruited.
Look to 13.02.14.1. If there was ever an arranged in-person off-campus encounter with the kid or his parents/guardians and a Seton Hall staff member or athletics rep (as defined), he doesn’t qualify. Now, did Seton Hall staff and the Flory’s ever sit down at some event or in-home and chat about the possibilities of him walking-on? Maybe. Maybe not. Seems more likely in this situations than in others (e.g., not quite your typical walk-on, where you had previously verbally committed to a D-I powerhouse program).
13.02.14.1 Recruited Prospective Student-Athlete. Actions by staff members or athletics representatives that cause a prospective student-athlete to become a recruited prospective student-athlete at that institution are:
(a) Providing the prospective student-athlete with an official visit;
(b) Having an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians; or
(c) Issuing a National Letter of Intent or the institution’s written offer of athletically related financial aid to the prospective student-athlete. Issuing a written offer of athletically related financial aid to a prospective student-athlete to attend a summer session prior to full-time enrollment does not cause the prospective student-athlete to become recruited.
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I suspect there is plenty of plausible deniability here by all parties..... ;)
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Cremo to Villanova.
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Cremo to Villanova.
Tonsorial excellence
https://cremocompany.com/
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Cremo to Villanova.
Philadelphia Cremo? Jeez!
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Indeed u wuz! PS- re-read what you posted re: the breakdown of sports, then research the “may”.
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My quick read:
He may be OK, he may not be. It depends.
Look to 14.5.5.2.10.
He does not meet the requirements of 14.5.5.2.10-(a) because he played men’s basketball. However, there is a one-time exception available under 14.5.5.2.10.2 if he was not recruited.
Look to 13.02.14.1. If there was ever an arranged in-person off-campus encounter with the kid or his parents/guardians and a Seton Hall staff member or athletics rep (as defined), he doesn’t qualify. Now, did Seton Hall staff and the Flory’s ever sit down at some event or in-home and chat about the possibilities of him walking-on? Maybe. Maybe not. Seems more likely in this situations than in others (e.g., not quite your typical walk-on, where you had previously verbally committed to a D-I powerhouse program).
13.02.14.1 Recruited Prospective Student-Athlete. Actions by staff members or athletics representatives that cause a prospective student-athlete to become a recruited prospective student-athlete at that institution are:
(a) Providing the prospective student-athlete with an official visit;
(b) Having an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians; or
(c) Issuing a National Letter of Intent or the institution’s written offer of athletically related financial aid to the prospective student-athlete. Issuing a written offer of athletically related financial aid to a prospective student-athlete to attend a summer session prior to full-time enrollment does not cause the prospective student-athlete to become recruited.
Flory met all the exceptions which is why he is immediately eligible which was confirmed.
Flory is in a good position right now because he can either get a scholarship somewhere else and play immediately or he can stay at Seton Hall and probably be an 8th or 9th man on the roster and pick up some more minutes. Will be interesting to see what he chooses.
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Flory met all the exceptions which is why he is immediately eligible which was confirmed.
Flory is in a good position right now because he can either get a scholarship somewhere else and play immediately or he can stay at Seton Hall and probably be an 8th or 9th man on the roster and pick up some more minutes. Will be interesting to see what he chooses.
What you said is that he was eligible simply and only because he was A walk-on. That claim - which is not true - is why I replied
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Philadelphia Cremo? Jeez!
Cremo the crop
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Philadelphia Cremo? Jeez!
Sorry I just saw this but well done.
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Cremo rises to the top.
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Crimson and Cremo, hey?
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Cremo Sucks!
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What you said is that he was eligible simply and only because he was A walk-on. That claim - which is not true - is why I replied
He just committed to Albany. Guess he met all those little nitty bitty ncaa rules.....
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He just committed to Albany. Guess he met all those little nitty bitty ncaa rules.....
Committing is not playing. Nonetheless, he may have. But Herman’s claims were dead wrong, that’s all. Don’t make this about make believe land
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Committing is not playing. Nonetheless, he may have. But Herman’s claims were dead wrong, that’s all. Don’t make this about make believe land
Whateva... #JBnews. Seriously, this is your first straight forward post in eons. Welcome back.
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What you said is that he was eligible simply and only because he was A walk-on. That claim - which is not true - is why I replied
I simplified a very complex rule for the purposes of a post. This is a message board and it is not necessary to write things like a prospectus. I understand these rules as well as any one on this board including yourself as I have been a D-1 athlete and had 3 kids who had to navigate all of the bs of the NCAa.
I get that your an accountant and like precision. I hire a lot of accountants at my company and we do well so there is definitely a role for a person who pays attention to details.
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I simplified a very complex rule for the purposes of a post. This is a message board and it is not necessary to write things like a prospectus. I understand these rules as well as any one on this board including yourself as I have been a D-1 athlete and had 3 kids who had to navigate all of the bs of the NCAa.
I get that your an accountant and like precision. I hire a lot of accountants at my company and we do well so there is definitely a role for a person who pays attention to details.
You’re vs your
Sorry, I didn’t realize your post was a brief high-level summary; thought it was a research report!
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Conversation at the Sultan household this morning.
Wife: Did you see that Dwyane Wade is getting his degree? That must be why he has been around the team so much lately.
Me: No I didn't. That's cool. He also knows coach Wojo well when he was on the Olympic team.
Wife: <blank stare>
Me: You know, when Coach K was the Olympic head coach and Wojo was one of his assistants?
Wife: I meant Ron Dayne
Me: :P
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Conversation at the Sultan household this morning.
Wife: Did you see that Dwyane Wade is getting his degree? That must be why he has been around the team so much lately.
Me: No I didn't. That's cool. He also knows coach Wojo well when he was on the Olympic team.
Wife: <blank stare>
Me: You know, when Coach K was the Olympic head coach and Wojo was one of his assistants?
Wife: I meant Ron Dayne
Me: :P
SMH
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All Greek to me. 'splain in English, por favor.
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Interesting pick up for Creighton. SE Missouri State guard Denzel Mahoney. Was injured in the run up to his senior season and thus fell off the radar of many schools. Was All Ohio Valley last year. Seems like a good fit for Creighton.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/denzel-mahoney-transfers-to-creighton-looking-for-chance-to-prove/article_6f149138-fe67-5d7e-9fb2-9407c529b916.html
https://247sports.com/college/ole-miss/Article/Former-Southeast-Missouri-State-guard-Denzel-Mahoney-is-getting-close-to-coming-to-a-decision-on-his-transfer-destination-118315974
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A nice rim protection transfer pick up for Seton Hall from Florida State. Looking forward to seeing Ike versus Ike in the future....
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2018/05/17/seton-hall-basketball-ike-obiagu/619284002/
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A nice rim protection transfer pick up for Seton Hall from Florida State. Looking forward to seeing Ike versus Ike in the future....
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2018/05/17/seton-hall-basketball-ike-obiagu/619284002/
He struggled mightily in EYBL play and was basically the same thing his first year playing in college: is big and can block shots, but fouls a lot and is a mess offensively (turnover city).
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Milwaukee native Demontrae Jefferson is transferring from Texas Southern. Trae put up some eyepopping numbers for the (not so typical) SWAC team. 23.8 points, 3.1 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 1.3 steals, 50.6 eFG%. His size is a concern at 5'7", but I think he is going to make some high major team pretty happy.
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Milwaukee native Demontrae Jefferson is transferring from Texas Southern. Trae put up some eyepopping numbers for the (not so typical) SWAC team. 23.8 points, 3.1 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 1.3 steals, 50.6 eFG%. His size is a concern at 5'7", but I think he is going to make some high major team pretty happy.
We'll see what happens. Hope he finds a school to play at. One of my all-time favorites to watch. So fun to watch him team up with Kevon Looney... just don't know what will happen though.