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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2018, 03:23:06 PM
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https://painttouches.com/2018/03/31/2018-ncaa-free-agent-tracker-3-31-edition/
First version of the free agent tracker is up. List of our top 15 currently available graduate transfers...plus another 10 that we are keeping an eye on. These are ranked on opinion of who is best overall, not necessarily who is the best fit for Marquette.
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Good stuff, TAMU. Chartouny remains at the top of my list based on need. Looking forward to the traditional tracker as well.
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Thank you for putting these descriptions together, really great work.
"He is an elite on ball defender, shutting down iso attempts and pick and rolls with ease while bringing unmatched levels of disruption. On offense, he is definitely pass first and his shooting numbers from his junior season leave a lot to be desired."
That type of description and I'm sold on Chartouney. Sounds like he'd bring a return to DJames-senior-year type defense at the point of attack, the lack of which has been the root of most of our defensive problems IMHO. Adding a guy like this could allow Wojo to play his preferred man D and see a significant improvement in efficiency on that side of the floor.
And if shooting is someone's only weakness, coming to MU is obviously a great move. The frosh this year alone made massive leaps from first to second semester, and Heldt went from a 50% FT shooter to an 80% FT shooter this year. Sign him up ASAP!
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https://painttouches.com/2018/03/31/2018-ncaa-free-agent-tracker-3-31-edition/
Next update is done. Three new names, no one significant has been taken yet.
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https://gradtransfertracker.com/
http://georgiabasketballblog.com/possible-graduate-transfers-2018-19-hot-board/
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https://gradtransfertracker.com/
http://georgiabasketballblog.com/possible-graduate-transfers-2018-19-hot-board/
Yeah, my list is better ;D
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It could be that i was delusional this AM but didn't i see Wojo like a tweet from a George Washington kid announcing his transfer?
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It could be that i was delusional this AM but didn't i see Wojo like a tweet from a George Washington kid announcing his transfer?
Well according to Wojo's twitter, his last like was July of 2017 so I think you were delusional.
The George Washington transfer is likely Jair Bolden. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066872/jair-bolden
Wouldn't be at the top of my wish list but wouldn't be the worst pickup if our top options fall through
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Good stuff, TAMU. Chartouny remains at the top of my list based on need. Looking forward to the traditional tracker as well.
You obviously haven't seen the McKewen video, stats, and physical attributes.....
Kamar Baldwin clone.....
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You obviously haven't seen the McKewen video, stats, and physical attributes.....
Kamar Baldwin clone.....
McEwen isn't a grad transfer.
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Not a delusion. Here is the tweet Wojo liked:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/982279516235087873 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/982279516235087873)
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https://painttouches.com/2018/03/31/2018-ncaa-free-agent-tracker-3-31-edition/
Tracker has been updated.
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Good stuff, TAMU. Looks by your work it comes down to one guy to make or break the off-season. I truly hope he is not lost to Louisville. If lost to Louisville, it is not a great reflection on the trend of the program. It really should be, a no brainer get based off the situation in Louisville.
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Good stuff, TAMU. Looks by your work it comes down to one guy to make or break the off-season. I truly hope he is not lost to Louisville. If lost to Louisville, it is not a great reflection on the trend of the program. It really should be a no brained get based off the situation in Louisville.
Chartnouy or bust. The success or failure of our offseason hangs in the balance. I think we get him.
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Lenny
I sure hope so. On positive note, he looks like a guy that really improves next season. On negative note, if he goes to Louisville, I think Wojo’s days are numbered.
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I think this team will manage without Chartouny, but I think he's the difference between a top-40 team that's hoping for a 7/10 or 8/9 game and one that's comfortably in and thinking about the second weekend. Really hope we have good news by Wednesday or Thursday.
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Brew
You might be in right on him making us a non bubble team. But, we have to be honest, how in the hell would we pick Louisville over us? This is a Wojo moment and I hope he delivers.
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I think this team will manage without Chartouny, but I think he's the difference between a top-40 team that's hoping for a 7/10 or 8/9 game and one that's comfortably in and thinking about the second weekend. Really hope we have good news by Wednesday or Thursday.
Boy, I know this is a different topic and all, but a 7/10, 8/9 seed with what they have next year honestly would seem like a bit of a disappointment. Those aren't great seeds to be honest. Who knows, there is so much time between now and then though, so many things can change so it's not really worth thinking about right now, but my first thought when I think of next year and what the "benchmark" should be so to speak, a 5/6 feels more like it to me....even without Chartouny.
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Boy, I know this is a different topic and all, but a 7/10, 8/9 seed with what they have next year honestly would seem like a bit of a disappointment. Those aren't great seeds to be honest. Who knows, there is so much time between now and then though, so many things can change so it's not really worth thinking about right now, but my first thought when I think of next year and what the "benchmark" should be so to speak, a 5/6 feels more like it to me....even without Chartouny.
My expectations are a 6-9 seed. I feel like quite a few people on this board are overestimating our talent.
Going from NIT #2 seed to NCAA 6 seed is quite a leap. I think we need to land JC, Joey & Ed to both be solid starters/top 5 minutes, and at least one sophomore to be or Anim to make a leap.
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My expectations are a 6-9 seed. I feel like quite a few people on this board are overestimating our talent.
Going from NIT #2 seed to NCAA 6 seed is quite a leap. I think we need to land JC, Joey & Ed to both be solid starters/top 5 minutes, and at least one sophomore to be or Anim to make a leap.
It's not as big of a leap as you may think:
TCU went from a #4 NIT seed last year to a #6 seed NCAA team this year.
Houston was a #2 NIT last year - #6 NCAA seed this year.
Clemson was a #2 NIT last year - #5 NCAA this year.
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Chartnouy or bust. The success or failure of our offseason hangs in the balance. I think we get him.
I just have a feeling he picks Marquette too. Chris Mack will have a good story to tell, tho. He was excellent at X, is now cleaning up the Louisville program etc etc.
Yes - a Wojo moment. Your table is ready at MU, JC! It’s time to shine here!
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Brew
You might be in right on him making us a non bubble team. But, we have to be honest, how in the hell would we pick Louisville over us? This is a Wojo moment and I hope he delivers.
Personally I think it's an easy sell, but Louisville loses 4 of their top 5 scorers. If he wants to be the focal point of a high major team, that may be his best shot. Mack, like Steele at Xavier, is aiming at bringing in three grad transfers. Zach Johnson and Mike Cunningham are also slated to visit.
Coming here, he's likely at best the third option. I'd argue that's the third option on a certain NCAA team, a team that loses 30 mpg that he fits perfectly into, and a team where his distribution will be best suited because floor spacing will open up driving lanes and he can both tally points and assists easily. And we're not sitting on a NCAA investigation like the 2015-16 Louisville team that wasted the senior years of Damion Lee and Trey Lewis.
Are we the best option? I certainly think so, but I can see the sales pitch for Louisville too.
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It's not as big of a leap as you may think:
TCU went from a #4 NIT seed last year to a #6 seed NCAA team this year.
Houston was a #2 NIT last year - #6 NCAA seed this year.
Clemson was a #2 NIT last year - #5 NCAA this year.
Jamie Dixon and Kelvin Sampson are proven coaches. Bromwell is marginal. Sampson has done a great job at Houston, just as Dixon has done at TCU. Dixon took a team 136 in the year prior to arrival to 29, to 24 in Pomeroy. Needless to say, the rebuilds at perennial powers TCU and Houston are well ahead of schedule as compared to our own.
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Jamie Dixon and Kelvin Sampson are proven coaches. Bromwell is marginal. Sampson has done a great job at Houston, just as Dixon has done at TCU. Dixon took a team 136 in the year prior to arrival to 29, to 24 in Pomeroy. Needless to say, the rebuilds at perennial powers TCU and Houston are well ahead of schedule as compared to our own.
Houston has more final fours than us so I'd maybe think twice about the sarcasm.
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Jamie Dixon and Kelvin Sampson are proven coaches. Bromwell is marginal. Sampson has done a great job at Houston, just as Dixon has done at TCU. Dixon took a team 136 in the year prior to arrival to 29, to 24 in Pomeroy. Needless to say, the rebuilds at perennial powers TCU and Houston are well ahead of schedule as compared to our own.
Dixon is doing well, and has built with many of his own players. Sampson has one tourney appearance in 4 years and loses 3 starters, so hard to see how they're that far ahead.
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Personally I think it's an easy sell, but Louisville loses 4 of their top 5 scorers. If he wants to be the focal point of a high major team, that may be his best shot. Mack, like Steele at Xavier, is aiming at bringing in three grad transfers. Zach Johnson and Mike Cunningham are also slated to visit.
Coming here, he's likely at best the third option. I'd argue that's the third option on a certain NCAA team, a team that loses 30 mpg that he fits perfectly into, and a team where his distribution will be best suited because floor spacing will open up driving lanes and he can both tally points and assists easily. And we're not sitting on a NCAA investigation like the 2015-16 Louisville team that wasted the senior years of Damion Lee and Trey Lewis.
Are we the best option? I certainly think so, but I can see the sales pitch for Louisville too.
Given the circumstances I don't see us losing this guy to Louisville. A freshman in the 2020 class? Sure, they'd probably be favorites over us. But a 1 year guy for 18-19? We're Kansas and Louisville is Marquette in that battle.
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It's not as big of a leap as you may think:
TCU went from a #4 NIT seed last year to a #6 seed NCAA team this year.
Houston was a #2 NIT last year - #6 NCAA seed this year.
Clemson was a #2 NIT last year - #5 NCAA this year.
It is doable but a 5/6 seed is what I see as next year's ceiling. Things need to go just right for that best case scenario to happen.
A couple things go wrong and we're an 8/9. That's why I put a range on my expectations. I included what I felt is realistic best case & worst case scenarios; 6-9 seed.
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I'm interested in why Wojo seems to be so focused on Chartouney. TAMU has both Mooney and Cremo as more highly ranked. MU has such an obvious need and the schools chasing those 2 don't seem to be situations that MU couldn't compete with. It seems like Wojo has jumped on Chartouney from the first minute he became available and Wojo is betting the farm on him. Is it that he really wants a pass first PG given the scoring options he already has on the incoming team and he doesn't want to face another Andrew situation where he has to keep badgering the PG to focus on assists? Does he really want Chartouney's defense and steals? Is it just some intangible that he sees in Chartouney after talking to him that is not strictly talent evaluation? Hey I'm ready to be 100% more excited about next year if we get the answer at PG because the rest of the positions are well handled (assuming Sam comes back at 100%).
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It is doable but a 5/6 seed is what I see as next year's ceiling. Things need to go just right for that best case scenario to happen.
A couple things go wrong and we're an 8/9. That's why I put a range on my expectations. I included what I felt is realistic best case & worst case scenarios; 6-9 seed.
I've said 5 seed so I'm sticking with that. You are right that it is likely the ceiling, but no reason not to be optimistic.
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I'm interested in why Wojo seems to be so focused on Chartouney. TAMU has both Mooney and Cremo as more highly ranked. MU has such an obvious need and the schools chasing those 2 don't seem to be situations that MU couldn't compete with. It seems like Wojo has jumped on Chartouney from the first minute he became available and Wojo is betting the farm on him. Is it that he really wants a pass first PG given the scoring options he already has on the incoming team and he doesn't want to face another Andrew situation where he has to keep badgering the PG to focus on assists? Does he really want Chartouney's defense and steals? Is it just some intangible that he sees in Chartouney after talking to him that is not strictly talent evaluation? Hey I'm ready to be 100% more excited about next year if we get the answer at PG because the rest of the positions are well handled (assuming Sam comes back at 100%).
Mooney and Cremo are better overall players than JC IMHO. However, Auburn pointed out in another thread that JC is the highest rated player in defensive value add that is currently available. Chartouney may be the best fit of anyone who is available. I will say that when I eyeballed Mooney's defensive stats, he seemed like an equal or even better defender to JC but Auburn is a lot better at this stuff than I am so I'll take his word for it.
You also have to remember that recruiting time is a limited resource. I'm sure Wojo is going to be all over the country visiting recruits in the upcoming weeks. You have to pick your spots wisely. Wojo jumped on JC early enough that it seems like he has boxed almost everyone else out.
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Here are my thoughts NAA:
1. Chartouny has the defensive ability we lack. That's our top need.
2. Combine that with his size and distribution skills and he pairs very well with Markus.
3. Marquette was involved with Cremo early on but for whatever reason MU isn't on his current list.
4. Mooney might be a better player but better players have more suitors. Is the small chance of landing Mooney worth the time when Chartouny might be locked up by next week? How long is Mooney going to wait to make a decision?
5. Mooney also came on the board later, so things with Chartouny were already advancing.
6. Chartouny played in a better conference, the A-10, than either Mooney or Cremo in the Summit and American East. Less of a jump to the Big East.
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My expectations are a 6-9 seed. I feel like quite a few people on this board are overestimating our talent.
Going from NIT #2 seed to NCAA 6 seed is quite a leap. I think we need to land JC, Joey & Ed to both be solid starters/top 5 minutes, and at least one sophomore to be or Anim to make a leap.
You can't just look at Marquette in a vacuum. You have to look at what else is going on around the NCAA. Next year is going to be interesting. A lot of the top teams from last year were younger teams that are going to get better or at least stay them same (depending on some draft decisions of course). Teams like Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Villanova, Michigan, Michigan State, Gonzaga, Duke, Nevada, Tennessee, Virginia,, Cincinnati, Florida, West Virginia, and Auburn were all top 25 teams last year and look to be even stronger.
But the teams that were right behind them? A lot of them look like they will take significant steps back. Ohio State, Houston, Seton Hall, Penn State, Notre Dame, Baylor, Saint Mary's, Wichita State, Louisville, Arizona, Arkansas, NC State, Arizona State....these teams that were top 20-40 type teams all look like they will be dropping in the rankings next season.
What I think might happen as a result is that we will see a smaller group of elite teams at the top but a lot of space for teams to move up into that 15-40 range of teams. Marquette is one of the teams that is positioned well to make that jump....especially if they land a quality grad transfer like JC.
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I'm interested in why Wojo seems to be so focused on Chartouney. TAMU has both Mooney and Cremo as more highly ranked. MU has such an obvious need and the schools chasing those 2 don't seem to be situations that MU couldn't compete with. It seems like Wojo has jumped on Chartouney from the first minute he became available and Wojo is betting the farm on him. Is it that he really wants a pass first PG given the scoring options he already has on the incoming team and he doesn't want to face another Andrew situation where he has to keep badgering the PG to focus on assists? Does he really want Chartouney's defense and steals? Is it just some intangible that he sees in Chartouney after talking to him that is not strictly talent evaluation? Hey I'm ready to be 100% more excited about next year if we get the answer at PG because the rest of the positions are well handled (assuming Sam comes back at 100%).
Your answer is probably contained in this sentence from TAMU's profile:
"Mooney has about everything you could ask for in a shooting guard"
Wojo is looking for a tall PG who can play defense, isn't he? It's about putting together a team, not the righest rated set of player profiles.
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Here are my thoughts NAA:
1. Chartouny has the defensive ability we lack. That's our top need.
2. Combine that with his size and distribution skills and he pairs very well with Markus.
3. Marquette was involved with Cremo early on but for whatever reason MU isn't on his current list.
4. Mooney might be a better player but better players have more suitors. Is the small chance of landing Mooney worth the time when Chartouny might be locked up by next week? How long is Mooney going to wait to make a decision?
5. Mooney also came on the board later, so things with Chartouny were already advancing.
6. Chartouny played in a better conference, game the A-10, than either Mooney or Cremo in the Summit and American East. Less of a jump to the Big East.
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Having seen a couple Fordham games live my sense is Chartouny can compete at the Big East level. He plays at a slow pace though ,so I am not sure he is going to be a major impact player. If he has a well defined role he can be nexts years version of Trent Lockett in terms of value to the team. Overall,he would definitely be a solid addition for MU.
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Your answer is probably contained in this sentence from TAMU's profile:
"Mooney has about everything you could ask for in a shooting guard"
Wojo is looking for a tall PG who can play defense, isn't he? It's about putting together a team, not the righest rated set of player profiles.
For me this is exactly it. Of those three, Chartouny is the only true PG. Couple that with size, defense, and proving it against the highest level of competition of the three and he seems to be the safest option and best fit.
I think it's important that Chartouny also has the lowest percentage of shots taken. His history indicates he's looking to pass first. We need that with multiple proven scoring options back. He might not be the best player on the board, but he looks like the right one for this team.
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How do we know that Wojo doesn't want both? Or is getting his best probability and then getting more?
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For me this is exactly it. Of those three, Chartouny is the only true PG. Couple that with size, defense, and proving it against the highest level of competition of the three and he seems to be the safest option and best fit.
I think it's important that Chartouny also has the lowest percentage of shots taken. His history indicates he's looking to pass first. We need that with multiple proven scoring options back. He might not be the best player on the board, but he looks like the right one for this team.
Yep.... Is anyone really surprised that Wojo might value defense over offense after how the last 2 years played out?
He knows that we have plenty of offensive firepower with Markus, Sam, Joey etc.....he understands that to get this team to another level they need to make a jump defensively.......he thinks Chartoney can be a big step in that direction .......having a bigger pg who can defend, distribute and also contribute on the offensive end is a perfect match for what we need.
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Throughout last season an awful lot of Scoopers were predicting big things for the Warriors in 2018-19. that was with Elliot and Howard sharing point guard duties. Now were on the verge of getting a stud defensive pass first point guard (just what we desperately needed) and everyone is tempering their optimism. Sultan is at least sticking with his projection but now, with what seems to be the best offseason news we could have hoped for around the corner his projection has become our ceiling. Did I miss some bad news?
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Who cares about predictions? I mean seriously.......what scoopers predict or project is worth absolutely nothing.......
I think we will be improved.....how that plays out as far as victories and seeding I have no idea and nobody else does either.
Hopefully we add Chartoney because I think it's obvious we will be better with him then without him.
This constant back and forth regarding expectations and predictions is just tiresome.
My God it's April........even though it feels like January outside.
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Who cares about predictions? I mean seriously.......what scoopers predict or project is worth absolutely nothing.......
I think we will be improved....
Lots of people, I guess - since they're making predictions.
Including you, since "I think we'll be improved" sure sounds like a prediction.
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My predictions have not changed. If we get JC, I will be even more optimistic.
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Lenny
I sure hope so. On positive note, he looks like a guy that really improves next season. On negative note, if he goes to Louisville, I think Wojo’s days are numbered.
Agreed. If he doesn't get Chartouny he might as well resign immediately.
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On negative note, if he goes to Louisville, I think Wojo’s days are numbered.
I'm sorry, but what an absolutely moronic thing to infer.
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MU82
My point is simply based off getting the team everyone is counting on for next season. Without a real PG it is going to be difficult to meet many folks expectations.
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MU82
My point is simply based off getting the team everyone is counting on for next season. Without a real PG it is going to be difficult to meet many folks expectations.
agree Goose, further you could have said "many folks realistic expectations..."
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Realistic expectation for next season is being the 20th to 35th best team in the country. And that's without JC. With JC it raises to 15-30.
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Realistic expectation for next season is being the 20th to 35th best team in the country. And that's without JC. With JC it raises to 15-30.
Doesn't a 7 seed (your projection), translate into top 28?
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Doesn't a 7 seed (your projection), translate into top 28?
Yes?
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Yes?
Just didn't understand why then you were projecting out to 35?
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Doesn't a 7 seed (your projection), translate into top 28?
27.5 is the median / avg. in this case, so 28
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Just didn't understand why then you were projecting out to 35?
Because just because my opinion is top 28 doesn't mean that someone who thinks 35 isn't realistic. My opinion is just an opinion, not a fact.
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Back to the topic at hand......traditional transfer
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/985642309042757632?s=21
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Because just because my opinion is top 28 doesn't mean that someone who thinks 35 isn't realistic. My opinion is just an opinion, not a fact.
nm
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We have made it through the weekend and no official word on JC scheduling a campus visit with Louisville. Hopefully that means he was non-plussed with Mack's pitch. Also no official word on him adding any more in home visits. Hoping we get this locked down on campus in two days.
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MU82
My point is simply based off getting the team everyone is counting on for next season. Without a real PG it is going to be difficult to meet many folks expectations.
Okey dokey, Goose. But I will say this sounds a lot different than, "If Wojo doesn't get Chartouny, he gowne."
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We have made it through the weekend and no official word on JC scheduling a campus visit with Louisville. Hopefully that means he was non-plussed with Mack's pitch. Also no official word on him adding any more in home visits. Hoping we get this locked down on campus in two days.
Good news is that Milwaukee is looking very Canada-like. He's feel right at home.
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Good news is that Milwaukee is looking very Canada-like. He's feel right at home.
Brutal. Horrendous timing. Hopefully the obvious basketball fit overwhelmingly overcomes that downside
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MU82
I said if he does not land grad PG, his days may be numbered. Again, even TAMU said that if this upcoming year is a bust, that he would have Wojo on or close to hot seat. Not sure on why my statement is so far off base. It is simply off my belief that next year’s team will likely have similar success as this year’s, without a proven PG.
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Chartouney visiting today or tomorrow?
Any updates on McEwen?
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MU82
I said if he does not land had PG, his days may be numbered. Again, even TAMU said that if this upcoming year is a bust, that he would have Wojo on or close to hot seat. Not sure on why my statement is so far off base. It is simply off my belief that next year’s team will likely have similar success as this year’s, without a proven PG.
It would be hard to believe Wojo can not sell somebody on the opportunity to start on a Big East team that would have a slight chance to compete against Villy. All the pieces are in place for the upcoming year and even the following year even better. more experience. See what
happens, anybody seen the Burke kid play? Is the Utah St. kid visiting?
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Chartouney visiting today or tomorrow?
Any updates on McEwen?
JC visits tomorrow. Staff in Texas today visiting Samuel Williamson per Corey Evans twitter.
I haven't seen anything new about McEwen.
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DC
I agree completely. It should be a very easy sell. That was part of my thought process as well. I would like to think it is an easy get, regardless of the crappy weather for the kid’s visit.
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Nothing is an easy get in recruiting.
At least nothing worth getting.....
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It would be hard to believe Wojo can not sell somebody on the opportunity to start on a Big East team that would have a slight chance to compete against Villy. All the pieces are in place for the upcoming year and even the following year even better. more experience. See what
happens, anybody seen the Burke kid play? Is the Utah St. kid visiting?
Still waiting for the Grime's Story.
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MuMark
I agree recruiting is never easy. That said, like anything in biz, some deals are easier than other deals. I would like to think MU is currently a better option for a grad PG than Louisville, especially if he is the missing piece to top 20 team.
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You do have to wonder why he hasn't scheduled a visit to UL yet, after they just had an in home with them. Could it be, he fully intends to commit to MU barring something disastrous happening that would make him change his mind??
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Still waiting for the Grime's Story.
Need to wait after he is done cbb
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It would be hard to believe Wojo can not sell somebody on the opportunity to start on a Big East team that would have a slight chance to compete against Villy. All the pieces are in place for the upcoming year and even the following year even better. more experience. See what
happens, anybody seen the Burke kid play? Is the Utah St. kid visiting?
Yes the Utah State kid is visiting
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/985936501954502656?s=21
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Yes the Utah State kid is visiting
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/985936501954502656?s=21
Big week!
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My opinion is just an opinion, not a fact.
LOL, I see what you did there.
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Yes the Utah State kid is visiting
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/985936501954502656?s=21
McEwen would be a very good pickup for the program. I like traditional two year transfers who have proven production. They get a year to work out, build team chemistry and be positioned to come out of the gates strong.
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Yes the Utah State kid is visiting
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/985936501954502656?s=21
Anyone seen this kid play? Looks like a pretty inefficient player per Pomeroy. Shots percentage went up 5% as sophomore and his eFG% dropped from 55.6% as frosh to 47.8% as sophomore. O-Rating of 96.9, and about 93.0 over 25 games against Tier A&B competition.
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Anyone seen this kid play? Looks like a pretty inefficient player per Pomeroy. Shots percentage went up 5% as sophomore and his eFG% dropped from 55.6% as frosh to 47.8% as sophomore. O-Rating of 96.9, and about 93.0 over 25 games against Tier A&B competition.
His freshman year numbers were good. They did lose a pair of senior starters, but the team had pretty comparable numbers so I agree that's a concern.
One interesting note was how much as McEwen went, so went USU his sophomore year. It's an arbitrary cutoff, but in games where he had 95+ ORtg they went 13-2. In games where he was below 95, they went 3-12.
I'd hope the year would help him improve his shot, and he is truly an elite rebounder for his size, but he doesn't have the jump off the stat sheet numbers someone like Rowsey had.
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His freshman year numbers were good. They did lose a pair of senior starters, but the team had pretty comparable numbers so I agree that's a concern.
One interesting note was how much as McEwen went, so went USU his sophomore year. It's an arbitrary cutoff, but in games where he had 95+ ORtg they went 13-2. In games where he was below 95, they went 3-12.
I'd hope the year would help him improve his shot, and he is truly an elite rebounder for his size, but he doesn't have the jump off the stat sheet numbers someone like Rowsey had.
Also he did have an injury and was the focus of opposing defenses per an article I googled re his injury.
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Anyone seen this kid play? Looks like a pretty inefficient player per Pomeroy. Shots percentage went up 5% as sophomore and his eFG% dropped from 55.6% as frosh to 47.8% as sophomore. O-Rating of 96.9, and about 93.0 over 25 games against Tier A&B competition.
But as you noted looked very efficient as a freshman. The hope with McEwen is that with a year off he could get back to freshman year form. Marcus Foster was a similar situation when he transferred to Creighton. He had an amazing freshman year followed by an inefficient and blah sophomore year. He took a year off and was then All Big East for the Jays.
Note, I am not saying McEwen will be the next Marcus Foster. I am saying that there have been times when a player who sophomore slumped transferred and ended up getting better.
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But as you noted looked very efficient as a freshman. The hope with McEwen is that with a year off he could get back to freshman year form. Marcus Foster was a similar situation when he transferred to Creighton. He had an amazing freshman year followed by an inefficient and blah sophomore year. He took a year off and was then All Big East for the Jays.
Note, I am not saying McEwen will be the next Marcus Foster. I am saying that there have been times when a player who sophomore slumped transferred and ended up getting better.
Most players that take a year and half later off, get better. Hope that is the case with Ed Morrow. I really like transfers as they are
much more mature and I think humbled. They realize that if they want to go to the next level, they need to play against better competition and
improve during individual workouts. Kid would be 21 or so as a junior vs. a 18-19 yer old. Like it. Red-shirt really like Sacar. Hope for Ike as well, but getting hurt really puts him behind the 8 ball, same might be so for Bailey, put Bailey today vs. Bailey 2 years ago, you can see the maturation process at work, much bigger. Now can he play ball after 2 years off?
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Stan has good sources on McEwen. He is close with a former coach on the Utah State staff.
Nobody is a sure thing but the transfers that we have taken have worked out pretty well .'...other then Harry.....and even he might have worked out if he had stayed for a couple more years.
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Note, I am not saying McEwen will be the next Marcus Foster. I am saying that there have been times when a player who sophomore slumped transferred and ended up getting better.
Entirely possible, and that's why I wouldn't write him off. Just pointing out that between his sophomore year efficiency and defense, there are some legit questions. I too hope a year if would allow us to see him playing at a better level than his freshman year. But I think it's fair to say that while his freshman year shows a lot of potential, his sophomore year gives some reasons of concern.
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Entirely possible, and that's why I wouldn't write him off. Just pointing out that between his sophomore year efficiency and defense, there are some legit questions. I too hope a year if would allow us to see him playing at a better level than his freshman year. But I think it's fair to say that while his freshman year shows a lot of potential, his sophomore year gives some reasons of concern.
Agreed but when your averaging 16 points a game for a decent mid major and its a year of concern you know you have some potential.
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Quite honestly, I'd rather have Dachon Burke from Robert Morris. Although my preference of all of them would be Carr from Pittsburgh, 3 years left and an absolute lock down defender.
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Quite honestly, I'd rather have Dachon Burke from Robert Morris. Although my preference of all of them would be Carr from Pittsburgh, 3 years left and an absolute lock down defender.
1. I wouldn't be opposed to Carr. But what makes him a lockdown defender? D-rating of 113 and 1.3% stl rate don't exactly scream lockdown defender. I'd be happy to see some stats back that up.
2. I really like the guards we're after in 2019 much better than Carr. Much more potential for Carton or Watts to be a difference maker.
3. I like McEwen and Burke more than Carr due to their size. I don't have a preference between McEwen and Burke because I really don't know much about them other than their stats. McEwen looks like the better shooter, Burke the better defender but McEwen played in a better conference. Hard to say which one I prefer. I'll take whichever one commits first.
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Quite honestly, I'd rather have Dachon Burke from Robert Morris. Although my preference of all of them would be Carr from Pittsburgh, 3 years left and an absolute lock down defender.
Carr is definitely the best of the three. I personally like McEwen better because he played against much tougher competition then Burke and has more PG experience... But either would be a great pickup
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1. I wouldn't be opposed to Carr. But what makes him a lockdown defender? D-rating of 113 and 1.3% stl rate don't exactly scream lockdown defender. I'd be happy to see some stats back that up.
I personally don't like D-rating. It heavily weights blocks and steals, relies on team defense statistics (so you could play perfect defense but if your teammate gives up a bucket it negatively impacts your d-rating) and also throws in defensive rebounding as a factor....sure defensive rebounding ends a possession, but you grabbing a long rebound that bounced to you after your defensive lapse gave up an open jumper doesn't make you a good defender.
Don't get me wrong, d-rating has its value, but I think its much more accurate when evaluating team defense instead of individual defense.
For individual defense, I prefer points per possession allowed as well as steal% and block%. These give you a better sense of a player's individual defensive ability IMHO. And Carr's stats in ppp allowed are very nice.
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Thanks TAMU. Very insightful post.
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I said if he does not land grad PG, his days may be numbered. Again, even TAMU said that if this upcoming year is a bust, that he would have Wojo on or close to hot seat. Not sure on why my statement is so far off base. It is simply off my belief that next year’s team will likely have similar success as this year’s, without a proven PG.
I guess I just thought the pre-emptive negativity wasn't necessary, Goose.
I know some folks here think that others are too optimistic, and I plead guilty to being one of the optimistic Scoopers. Partly because I really do think Wojo is doing a good job, and partly because I have found that being positive is more fun and productive than the alternative.
Basically, we have two choices on the eve of this kid's visit. One is to say something like, "I hope things go well. This could really make next season special and help our program overall, and I think Wojo will close the deal." And the other is to say something like "if he goes to Louisville, I think Wojo’s days are numbered."
It doesn't mean you were wrong - maybe if Chartouny goes to Louisville, Wojo really is doomed.
Anyway ...
I hope things go well. This could really make next season special and help our program overall, and I think Wojo will close the deal.
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I guess I just thought the pre-emptive negativity wasn't necessary, Goose.
I know some folks here think that others are too optimistic, and I plead guilty to being one of the optimistic Scoopers. Partly because I really do think Wojo is doing a good job, and partly because I have found that being positive is more fun and productive than the alternative.
Basically, we have two choices on the eve of this kid's visit. One is to say something like, "I hope things go well. This could really make next season special and help our program overall, and I think Wojo will close the deal." And the other is to say something like "if he goes to Louisville, I think Wojo’s days are numbered."
It doesn't mean you were wrong - maybe if Chartouny goes to Louisville, Wojo really is doomed.
Anyway ...
I hope things go well. This could really make next season special and help our program overall, and I think Wojo will close the deal.
Glad you stay this week.
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Truthfully, I was not trying to be negative. I hope you know, by now, that I very much want a special season or a decade of special seasons. Have said many times, I have no agenda on who is the coach, style of play or type of player recruited. All I am interested in seeing is a big time winning program.
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Truthfully, I was not trying to be negative. I hope you know, by now, that I very much want a special season or a decade of special seasons. Have said many times, I have no agenda on who is the coach, style of play or type of player recruited. All I am interested in seeing is a big time winning program.
That's cool, Goose. I'm probably not the only one who thought it was a bit negative, but who really cares what anybody else thinks. I know your heart's in the right place.
Go Marquette!
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Truthfully, I was not trying to be negative. I hope you know, by now, that I very much want a special season or a decade of special seasons. Have said many times, I have no agenda on who is the coach, style of play or type of player recruited. All I am interested in seeing is a big time winning program.
I think we are a lot closer to being there today than we were Thursday.
Hopefully, this is the piece we need.
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Carr is definitely the best of the three. I personally like McEwen better because he played against much tougher competition then Burke and has more PG experience... But either would be a great pickup
If you sign any of them it will be hard to sign one of those top high school point guards in my estimation. Then again it is better to sign one of
them and not have to worry if you can sign one of them, then you will have space for a center, but not sure we are on any right now.
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McEwen is more of a combo guard right? He can play off the ball.
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https://painttouches.com/2018/03/31/2018-ncaa-free-agent-tracker-3-31-edition/
Marquette is probably out of the grad transfer game but I'll keep updating the tracker for a while.
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On positive note, he looks like a guy that really improves next season. On negative note, if he goes to Louisville, I think Wojo’s days are numbered.
Looks like Wojo's days aren't numbered.
I happen to think that's a good thing, but I know others do not.
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With us getting Chartouny, any sense on where we go with the last spot? Given that I don't know there are a lot of minutes to be had, I wouldn't mind pursuing the transfer market
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With us getting Chartouny, any sense on where we go with the last spot? Given that I don't know there are a lot of minutes to be had, I wouldn't mind pursuing the transfer market
The staff visited Dachon Burke Thursday and Koby McEwen visited campus this weekend. They have continued to be mentioned with Marcus Carr as well. It seems like they want to fill that spot with a sit-out transfer guard.
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Pretty sure you rehashed my post several times. Not exactly sure the need to note it again. Oh well, maybe you have too much time on your hands.
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Sounds like Villanova might be in on Joe Cremo. Could mean that Donte DiVincenzo is gonna stay in the draft. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vuhoops.com/platform/amp/2018/4/21/17265652/villanova-basketball-recruiting-joe-cremo-albany-transfer
I'm not going to complain if DD leaves and VU ends up with Cremo.
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Interesting. My gut tells me that Spellman is going for sure. I don't think DD goes in the first round....but his stock may never be higher so I have no idea if he'll stay or go. Cremo would soften the blow of losing DD but he is a definite step down.
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Last year, DePaul found some success by picking up a quality big man from a low major program in Marin Maric. Looks like they are hoping for a repeat, they picked up Femi Olujobi, a big man out of North Carolina A&T who averaged 16 and 8. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3133915/femi-olujobi
Hard to tell how those numbers will translate to the Big East. NCA&T was pretty bad last season and in his two years at Oakland he could barely get off the bench. Still, DePaul was hurting for size on next year's team and found a solid option to fill in the gap. I think we see another year where every team in the Big East is ranked in the top 100 which can be huge for SOS and RPI numbers.
Assuming Strus comes back and there are no other surprise departures, I think DePaul could win 5 or 6 games in conference next season. I think it will be them, Seton Hall, and St John's (assuming Ponds goes pro) battling it out for the last three spots.
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Assuming Strus comes back and there are no other surprise departures, I think DePaul could win 5 or 6 games in conference next season. I think it will be them, Seton Hall, and St John's (assuming Ponds goes pro) battling it out for the last three spots.
What's Ponds stock looking like? He struck me as someone who would benefit from another year, but with the constant roster turnover that has happened at St. John's he may be ready top move on as well.
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What's Ponds stock looking like? He struck me as someone who would benefit from another year, but with the constant roster turnover that has happened at St. John's he may be ready top move on as well.
Rumor is that he's concerned that Joseph Chartouny is going to clamp down on him so severely that it would harm his draft stock next year. So he might as well come out now.
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What's Ponds stock looking like? He struck me as someone who would benefit from another year, but with the constant roster turnover that has happened at St. John's he may be ready top move on as well.
https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2018/4/9/17160880/shamorie-ponds-st-johns-nba-draft-should-he-stay-should-he-go
Decent write up on the subject but its a few weeks old. Combine invites have gone out but there's no official list yet. Not sure if Ponds got invited or not. I kind of had the same thought as you about turnover at St. John's. It seems like players have been leaving the program despite getting good minutes. That leads me to believe that Ponds would go if there's any chance he gets drafted. This is all guesswork on my part though, for all I know Ponds is loving his time in Queens and is looking forward to returning.
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Last year, DePaul found some success by picking up a quality big man from a low major program in Marin Maric. Looks like they are hoping for a repeat, they picked up Femi Olujobi, a big man out of North Carolina A&T who averaged 16 and 8. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3133915/femi-olujobi
Hard to tell how those numbers will translate to the Big East. NCA&T was pretty bad last season and in his two years at Oakland he could barely get off the bench. Still, DePaul was hurting for size on next year's team and found a solid option to fill in the gap. I think we see another year where every team in the Big East is ranked in the top 100 which can be huge for SOS and RPI numbers.
Assuming Strus comes back and there are no other surprise departures, I think DePaul could win 5 or 6 games in conference next season. I think it will be them, Seton Hall, and St John's (assuming Ponds goes pro) battling it out for the last three spots.
Jalen Coleman Lands transfer from Illinois will also be coming on line for the Blue Demons. Should help their cause.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-jalen-coleman-lands-transfers-depaul-spt-0703-20170702-story.html
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I've read more than a couple articles that state that early entry players have until June 11 to withdraw from the draft. That is true under NBA rules. However, NCAA has declared that early entry players must withdraw by May 30 to retain college eligibility.
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Jalen Coleman Lands transfer from Illinois will also be coming on line for the Blue Demons. Should help their cause.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-jalen-coleman-lands-transfers-depaul-spt-0703-20170702-story.html
Yep, they will have a very solid backcourt with Cain, Strus, and Coleman-Lands (assuming Strus comes back) with Devin Gage, Justin Roberts, and 4 star Aussie Flynn Cameron coming off the bench. The question for them this year will be their frontcourt. They lost McCallum and Maric along with backups Hanel and Rychbosh to graduation. Going into the offseason, they only had three guys taller than 6'6", Reed and Butz who were back of the rotation guys, and Maslennikov a three star true freshman. Olujobi gives them another big body but it is possible that 7 of their top 8 players next season will be 6'6" or shorter. Gonna have their work cut for them on the boards and defending the rim.
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Rumor is that he's concerned that Joseph Chartouny is going to clamp down on him so severely that it would harm his draft stock next year. So he might as well come out now.
I don't blame him. JC is a defensive god!
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I don't blame him. JC is a defensive god!
Ummm... I prefer to think of JC as a defensive savior.
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Ummm... I prefer to think of JC as a defensive savior.
Nice.
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Ummm... I prefer to think of JC as a defensive savior.
And hopefully he fills the rest of the team with defensive spirit.
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Ummm... I prefer to think of JC as a defensive savior.
Wojo has accepted him as his personal savior.
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And hopefully he fills the rest of the team with defensive spirit.
I can't wait to see Wojo ride out on a lamb. ATV's are so early 2K.
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Wojo has accepted him as his personal savior.
True. According to sources, had he failed to land JC, Wojo’s days would have been numbered.
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Guys....I'm pretty sure JC committed three days after his official visit
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Guys....I'm pretty sure JC committed three days after his official visit
Here's a pic taken by a confused Fordham fan when he visited the site where they tried to stash JC after he returned from his MU visit.
(http://www.nadskofija-ljubljana.si/wp-content/uploads/grob.jpg)
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4 Then they looked up and saw that the stone had been rolled away. The stone was very large. 5 They entered the tomb. As they did, they saw a Coach Wojo dressed in a white robe. He was sitting on the right side. They were alarmed.
6 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Joseph the Quebecor, who was here. But he has transferred! He is not here! See the place where they had put him. 7 Go! Tell the Marquette Nation, ‘He is going ahead of you into Milwaukee. There you will see him. It will be just as he told you.’ ”
Amen.
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4 Then they looked up and saw that the stone had been rolled away. The stone was very large. 5 They entered the tomb. As they did, they saw a Coach Wojo dressed in a white robe. He was sitting on the right side. They were alarmed.
6 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Joseph the Quebecor, who was here. But he has transferred! He is not here! See the place where they had put him. 7 Go! Tell the Marquette Nation, ‘He is going ahead of you into Milwaukee. There you will see him. It will be just as he told you.’ ”
Amen.
That's not half bad. I particularly liked Joseph the Quebecor reference.
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4 Then they looked up and saw that the stone had been rolled away. The stone was very large. 5 They entered the tomb. As they did, they saw a Coach Wojo dressed in a white robe. He was sitting on the right side. They were alarmed.
6 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Joseph the Quebecor, who was here. But he has transferred! He is not here! See the place where they had put him. 7 Go! Tell the Marquette Nation, ‘He is going ahead of you into Milwaukee. There you will see him. It will be just as he told you.’ ”
Amen.
This is the word of The Sultan. Amen.
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Char-tou-ny ... Char-tou-ny ...
We're counting on you to help our D.
Char-tou-ny ... Superstar ...
Thoughts and prayers so you take us far.
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Char-tou-ny ... Char-tou-ny ...
We're counting on you to help our D.
Char-tou-ny ... Superstar ...
Thoughts and prayers so you take us far.
(http://media.giphy.com/media/1jaLj4QcZaF3QD2QXE/giphy.gif)
Well done
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Superstar doubt it, if he was, he would be in the NBA draft. Just want him to be solid with ball, beat a press, and maybe he can lead with example and it will rub
off on the others to play D. I do have one concern with any 5 year player, is what is his agenda? A transfer like Koby, can buy into the system. He will have one
year to learn what Wojo wants out of him, 5th year player may or may not buy in.
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Superstar doubt it, if he was, he would be in the NBA draft. Just want him to be solid with ball, beat a press, and maybe he can lead with example and it will rub
off on the others to play D. I do have one concern with any 5 year player, is what is his agenda? A transfer like Koby, can buy into the system. He will have one
year to learn what Wojo wants out of him, 5th year player may or may not buy in.
We've had three grad transfers in recent memory and none of them have been a problem.
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We've had three grad transfers in recent memory and none of them have been a problem.
Yep.
Superstar doubt it, if he was, he would be in the NBA draft. Just want him to be solid with ball, beat a press, and maybe he can lead with example and it will rub
off on the others to play D. I do have one concern with any 5 year player, is what is his agenda? A transfer like Koby, can buy into the system. He will have one
year to learn what Wojo wants out of him, 5th year player may or may not buy in.
Wasn't really calling him a superstar. Just singin'.
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We've had three grad transfers in recent memory and none of them have been a problem.
Different when you have the ball in your hands the whole time. The point guard in college sets the tempo of the team, we will see.
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4 Then they looked up and saw that the stone had been rolled away. The stone was very large. 5 They entered the tomb. As they did, they saw a Coach Wojo dressed in a white robe. He was sitting on the right side. They were alarmed.
6 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Joseph the Quebecor, who was here. But he has transferred! He is not here! See the place where they had put him. 7 Go! Tell the Marquette Nation, ‘He is going ahead of you into Milwaukee. There you will see him. It will be just as he told you.’ ”
Amen.
This Really is a Full Service Site.
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Different when you have the ball in your hands the whole time. The point guard in college sets the tempo of the team, we will see.
Still don't see why that would translate into some kind of "agenda."
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Still don't see why that would translate into some kind of "agenda."
I think what DCH is getting at is that some grad transfers decide to transfer in order to "showcase" themselves in order to get to the NBA (or other professional league). Which is true, some grad transfers do that. Part of Duane's transfer was a desire to showcase his PG ability. This might lead some to believe that a grad transfer might be more selfish and put their own needs above the needs of the team.
This is certainly possible, but I honestly don't see grad transfers being a bigger risk to be selfish than any other player. A traditional transfer, an incoming freshman, or a four year senior could choose to be just as selfish as any grad transfer. I don't think we have to worry with JC, one I hear he's a pretty selfless guy....willing to give his life for others...Two, the best way to "showcase" himself as a PG next season would be to prove that he can make the other players on the floor better.
One thing that is overlooked about JC is that he is a full grown man. He is already 23 and will be 24 before the end of the non-conference season. Could be wrong but I think his age will give him some maturity...I don't think we will have to worry about him buying into the team.
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I think what DCH is getting at is that some grad transfers decide to transfer in order to "showcase" themselves in order to get to the NBA (or other professional league). Which is true, some grad transfers do that. Part of Duane's transfer was a desire to showcase his PG ability. This might lead some to believe that a grad transfer might be more selfish and put their own needs above the needs of the team.
This is certainly possible, but I honestly don't see grad transfers being a bigger risk to be selfish than any other player. A traditional transfer, an incoming freshman, or a four year senior could choose to be just as selfish as any grad transfer. I don't think we have to worry with JC, one I hear he's a pretty selfless guy....willing to give his life for others...Two, the best way to "showcase" himself as a PG next season would be to prove that he can make the other players on the floor better.
One thing that is overlooked about JC is that he is a full grown man. He is already 23 and will be 24 before the end of the non-conference season. Could be wrong but I think his age will give him some maturity...I don't think we will have to worry about him buying into the team.
Damn, I was out of college for 3 years before I was 24. I am jealous.
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I think what DCH is getting at is that some grad transfers decide to transfer in order to "showcase" themselves in order to get to the NBA (or other professional league). Which is true, some grad transfers do that. Part of Duane's transfer was a desire to showcase his PG ability. This might lead some to believe that a grad transfer might be more selfish and put their own needs above the needs of the team.
This is certainly possible, but I honestly don't see grad transfers being a bigger risk to be selfish than any other player. A traditional transfer, an incoming freshman, or a four year senior could choose to be just as selfish as any grad transfer. I don't think we have to worry with JC, one I hear he's a pretty selfless guy....willing to give his life for others...Two, the best way to "showcase" himself as a PG next season would be to prove that he can make the other players on the floor better.
One thing that is overlooked about JC is that he is a full grown man. He is already 23 and will be 24 before the end of the non-conference season. Could be wrong but I think his age will give him some maturity...I don't think we will have to worry about him buying into the team.
Great perspective, TAMU.
He's probably more mature than I am now ... and I'm at least 24!
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I think what DCH is getting at is that some grad transfers decide to transfer in order to "showcase" themselves in order to get to the NBA (or other professional league). Which is true, some grad transfers do that. Part of Duane's transfer was a desire to showcase his PG ability. This might lead some to believe that a grad transfer might be more selfish and put their own needs above the needs of the team.
This is certainly possible, but I honestly don't see grad transfers being a bigger risk to be selfish than any other player. A traditional transfer, an incoming freshman, or a four year senior could choose to be just as selfish as any grad transfer. I don't think we have to worry with JC, one I hear he's a pretty selfless guy....willing to give his life for others...Two, the best way to "showcase" himself as a PG next season would be to prove that he can make the other players on the floor better.
One thing that is overlooked about JC is that he is a full grown man. He is already 23 and will be 24 before the end of the non-conference season. Could be wrong but I think his age will give him some maturity...I don't think we will have to worry about him buying into the team.
Same thought, agreed. Never know. I will say it might be better than getting a Grimes who is thinking of one thing and one thing only, one and done.
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Cremo to Villanova.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/994259824962691072
Xavier is trying for their fourth grad transfer this offseason by going for Tramaine Isabell. Averaged 21 points a game at Drexel. Seton Hall is also involved. He could make a big impact for either team.
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Creighton picks up Connor Cashaw from Rice as a grad transfer. 6-5 200. 15.5 PPG 7.1 rebounds. 3.2 assist and 1.3 steals per game. Went to high school in Lincolnshire outside Chicago.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/creighton-lands-grad-transfer-connor-cashaw-from-rice/article_ecbb2aed-5d07-534a-858f-064e46a72bd1.html
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Creighton picks up Connor Cashaw from Rice as a grad transfer. 6-5 200. 15.5 PPG 7.1 rebounds. 3.2 assist and 1.3 steals per game. Went to high school at Lincolnshire outside Chicago.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/creighton-lands-grad-transfer-connor-cashaw-from-rice/article_ecbb2aed-5d07-534a-858f-064e46a72bd1.html
No he went to Stevenson in Lincolnshire
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No he went to Stevenson in Lincolnshire
Noted
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Geno Crandall could be a big get for a team
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And it looks like it’s Minny(if Richard makes room) or Xavier and their 17 grad transfers
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After flirting with Villanova, Reid Travis (the best transfer on the market this season) ends up with Kentucky.
Means we have a better shot at a Big East title this season....but man do I hate seeing the rich get richer. Kentucky is going to be stupid good next season.
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After flirting with Villanova, Reid Travis (the best transfer on the market this season) ends up with Kentucky.
Means we have a better shot at a Big East title this season....but man do I hate seeing the rich get richer. Kentucky is going to be stupid good next season.
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/impact-transfer-boosts-kentucky-early-top-25/story?id=56033935
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Herro-ific level excitement