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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TallTitan34 on March 08, 2018, 09:23:52 AM
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Kevin Stallings fired at Pitt after going 0-19 in ACC play.
Shouldn't have ruined the Big East a-holes.
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Stallings had a good thing going at Vandy.
Just another coach who assumed the grass was greener when some other school offered more green.
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Stallings had a good thing going at Vandy.
Just another coach who assumed the grass was greener when some other school offered more green.
Thought he knew Vandy was going to fire him?
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Thought he knew Vandy was going to fire him?
That is what I remember too.
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Openings: off my head. please add if you know
Mississippi
Louisville
Pitt
San Diego
Colorado St.
Cal St Northridge
East Carolina
Charlotte
UTEP
Pepperdine
Marist
Maybes:
UCONN
Georgia
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Be interesting when Crean is spotted in Oakland early next week.
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Crean, Matta rested and ready. Loyola will probably lose their coach.
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Looks like Danny Hurley will have many choices.
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Thought he knew Vandy was going to fire him?
His seat was getting hotter, but IMHO he still had another season or two to turn it around. Vandy has historically been pretty good in basketball, but they aren't a school that quickly pulls the trigger on a coach who has a couple of down years.
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Thought he knew Vandy was going to fire him?
He went to the NCAAs his final year after finishing 3rd in the SEC, doubtful he would have been fired.
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I think Crean definitely gets an interview at Pitt, but it's going to take a massive coup (like getting Sean Miller to leave AZ) to make much a difference for the fans at this point. Even if it's a bit unfair, I think Crean will be viewed as too similar to Stallings - someone who could supposedly bring in NBA-caliber talent, but didn't do enough with them at their previous job. I think Pitt goes with a successful mid-major coach or a rising star assistant - being an unknown commodity in a Power 5 league probably plays to their favor at this point.
I live in Pittsburgh, so will be following this closely, probably more so than their own fan base. (Also, holding out hope that MU wins tonight and somehow ends up playing the first weekend of the tourney here).
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He went to the NCAAs his final year after finishing 3rd in the SEC, doubtful he would have been fired.
Not fired that year but I think his seat was getting very warm he was losing two nba draft picks from a team that barely made the play in game. Writing was on the wall
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I think Crean and DePaul would be good for each other.
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Looks like Danny Hurley will have many choices.
I doubt he'd jump at any of those considering what he's passed up. Maybe Louisville or UConn, but between sanctions and the AAC looking mediocre, I'm not sure either are the jobs he jumps ship for.
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I think Crean definitely gets an interview at Pitt, but it's going to take a massive coup (like getting Sean Miller to leave AZ) to make much a difference for the fans at this point. Even if it's a bit unfair, I think Crean will be viewed as too similar to Stallings - someone who could supposedly bring in NBA-caliber talent, but didn't do enough with them at their previous job. I think Pitt goes with a successful mid-major coach or a rising star assistant - being an unknown commodity in a Power 5 league probably plays to their favor at this point.
I live in Pittsburgh, so will be following this closely, probably more so than their own fan base. (Also, holding out hope that MU wins tonight and somehow ends up playing the first weekend of the tourney here).
Are you suggesting Sean Miller to Pitt is a good idea in the current situation he's in?
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Crean, Matta rested and ready. Loyola will probably lose their coach.
I've seen this, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. Moser isn't some young up-and-comer. He's done a great job with Loyola this year, but he's been a head coach for 14 seasons at three programs, with mediocre results (.512 winning percentage, 1 conference title, 1 NCAA appearance). The closest he's ever been to the big time is as an assistant at Texas A&M in the 90s under Tony Barone.
I guess some bottom-feeder major conference program might give him a look, but I'd be surprised if anyone with serious aspirations does. He seems a good fit for Loyola and the MVC.
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I've seen this, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. Moser isn't some young up-and-comer. He's done a great job with Loyola this year, but he's been a head coach for 14 seasons at three programs, with mediocre results (.512 winning percentage, 1 conference title, 1 NCAA appearance). The closest he's ever been to the big time is as an assistant at Texas A&M in the 90s under Tony Barone.
I guess some bottom-feeder major conference program might give him a look, but I'd be surprised if anyone with serious aspirations does. He seems a good fit for Loyola and the MVC.
I hope he leaves and Culver heads to Milwaukee for his grad year.
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Are you suggesting Sean Miller to Pitt is a good idea in the current situation he's in?
If the originally-published story about Ayton turns out to be inaccurate (which seems to be both Miller and AZ's argument), then I'm sure Pitt would happily take him. Granted, if that's the case, I don't see him leaving AZ, especially with the support they've shown him since the story came out.
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"I fell in love with college baskteball watching Pitt's historic run to the NIT in 1980 and was devasted when they lost a first round squeaker to Duquesne"
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Thad Matta was in Oxford recently. I'm assuming he wasn't there for the golf.
https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi/former-ohio-state-coach-thad-matta-reportedly-oxford-today-ole-miss-twitter-pumped (https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi/former-ohio-state-coach-thad-matta-reportedly-oxford-today-ole-miss-twitter-pumped)
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I doubt he'd jump at any of those considering what he's passed up. Maybe Louisville or UConn, but between sanctions and the AAC looking mediocre, I'm not sure either are the jobs he jumps ship for.
He loses a lot of seniors to graduation this year... His stock may not be this high for awhile. I think he jumps
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He loses a lot of seniors to graduation this year... His stock may not be this high for awhile. I think he jumps
You can weather a bad year. Buzz did. No one will forget that quickly what Hurley built at URI.
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Intrigued to see if Becky Hammon interviews for and/or gets the Colorado State job.
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I've got a ski bum in training at CSU. Buzz on campus is that she is their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choice. She was a 3 time all American at CSU. If Gonzaga and BYU jump to the Mt West it would become a pretty interesting basketball conference.
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Intrigued to see if Becky Hammon interviews for and/or gets the Colorado State job.
Could be the story of the off-season if true. I have no doubt she could coach players on the court, but my biggest worry as an AD would be recruiting. Would players, many of whom come from areas/schools/families that aren’t as “woke” as Gregg Popovich, be interested in playing for a woman. It’s not like there are a ton of female coaches in the high school and AAU ranks so players would be used to it.
I’m rooting for her, especially on International Women’s Day!
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After the debacle of Eustachy they need a feel good basketball story in Fort Collins.
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Steve Cottingham 2nd in command there.
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Could be the story of the off-season if true. I have no doubt she could coach players on the court, but my biggest worry as an AD would be recruiting. Would players, many of whom come from areas/schools/families that aren’t as “woke” as Gregg Popovich, be interested in playing for a woman. It’s not like there are a ton of female coaches in the high school and AAU ranks so players would be used to it.
I’m rooting for her, especially on International Women’s Day!
She's pretty hot, though (as far as female coaches go). That can be a advantage as a recruiter.
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She's pretty hot, though (as far as female coaches go). That can be a advantage as a recruiter.
The Cougar Method of recruiting.
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His seat was getting hotter, but IMHO he still had another season or two to turn it around. Vandy has historically been pretty good in basketball, but they aren't a school that quickly pulls the trigger on a coach who has a couple of down years.
I can confirm, he was about to lose his job. Now they will pay him a lot of money to leave.
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The Cougar Method of recruiting.
You have the right to use any tool on your belt, my friend.
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You have the right to use any tool on your belt, my friend.
So to speak.
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You have the right to use any tool on your belt, my friend.
not a chance in hell pop hires someone that uses that tool.
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It's not sounding good for Kevin Ollie. A local columnist actually listed Tom Crean's name as an possible replacement.
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So, which of these teams have a 2018 PG , or Sr PG with a remaining year of eligibility?
That is all I really care about these programs.
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You have the right to use any tool on your belt, my friend.
This topic was discussed in the chat room last night and it was concluded said tools are an impermissible benefit .
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Mick Cronin has to get one of these big jobs right? Can’t believe he has Cincy in the top-10
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Mick Cronin has to get one of these big jobs right? Can’t believe he has Cincy in the top-10
I think Cincy is a damn good job. Other than being in the AAC it seems to check all the boxes.
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Mick Cronin has to get one of these big jobs right? Can’t believe he has Cincy in the top-10
Cronin's reputation is such that he begged and pleaded for the UNLV job last year and still couldn't get out of Cincinnati. He's stuck.
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Cronin's reputation is such that he begged and pleaded for the UNLV job last year and still couldn't get out of Cincinnati. He's stuck.
They're perfect for each other.
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Kevin Ollie out at UConn.
Is that still a good job?
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
"The University of Connecticut has initiated disciplinary procedures to terminate the employment of Head Men’s Basketball Coach Kevin Ollie for just cause. The University will have no further comment on the matter until the completion of both the University’s disciplinary process
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They owe $10 million to Ollie and don't want to pay it. That NCAA investigation not going so well?
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Mark Fox out at Georgia.
https://twitter.com/GASportsNow/status/972521595519602688
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Longest tenured high major coach without a tournament streak at his current school.
He only held the dubious distinction for a month or so. Andy Kennedy at Ole Miss had it but was canned before the end of the season
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You have the right to use any tool on your belt, my friend.
Wow, I'm not thinking that using looks to recruit opposite sex players works out well in the long run for anyone. Anyone know of a male coach making that work in the women's game?
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They're perfect for each other.
I'd agree if they weren't winning so much.
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Wow, I'm not thinking that using looks to recruit opposite sex players works out well in the long run for anyone. Anyone know of a male coach making that work in the women's game?
Tyler Summitt.
Then again, that didn't work out too well for him.
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Wow, I'm not thinking that using looks to recruit opposite sex players works out well in the long run for anyone. Anyone know of a male coach making that work in the women's game?
They aren't recruiting teenage boys.
By the time I figured out that a young man will do almost anything for a girl if there is a one in a million chance he would get lucky with her, that window of opportunity was just about gone.
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Wow, I'm not thinking that using looks to recruit opposite sex players works out well in the long run for anyone. Anyone know of a male coach making that work in the women's game?
I thought Coach Hammon was a gay woman.
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By the time I figured out that a young man will do almost anything for a girl if there is a one in a million chance he would get lucky with her, that window of opportunity was just about gone.
So many lost opportunities....
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Tubby Smith officially out at Memphis.
Penny in?
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Thad Matta not headed for UGA.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/college-basketball-coaching-rumors-thad-matta-georgia-mark-fox-replacement/1f68n7velcfmx1hco4p3ca20wu
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Wow, Smith only got 2 years at Memphis. Seems like he's getting diminishing returns with each school he lands at. Will he even coach again?
Incredible that he left Kentucky for Minnesota after making 10 straight NCAA tournaments (with no first-round losses), advanced to the Sweet 16 six times and the Elite Eight 4 times, plus won a national title. That's not too far removed from what Al accomplished at Marquette from 1967-1977.
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Tubby Smith officially out at Memphis.
Penny in?
Book it. Tubby knew the writing was on the wall. Assume you saw the legal proceeding his attorney filed against Hardaway?
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Memphis went 10-8 in conference this year. I realize it's easy to pick up wins against the bottom of the AAC and I know their RPI was 100+ but still it's incredible he's gone after 2 years.
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Pitt met with Crean earlier this week.
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Pitt met with Crean earlier this week.
Would be a perfect job for him. Nothing but upside.
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Is Steve Lavin ever in any of these vacancy conversations? I kind of forgot about him until I saw a clip of him in a TV gig, but I always thought he was a fairly well-respected coach, even though his last couple years at SJU weren't so hot.
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Wow, Smith only got 2 years at Memphis. Seems like he's getting diminishing returns with each school he lands at. Will he even coach again?
Maybe not high major, but there's a rumor High Point may go after Tubby. He is an alum and they just fired their coach, Scott Cherry.
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Maybe not high major, but there's a rumor High Point may go after Tubby. He is an alum and they just fired their coach, Scott Cherry.
Just inching his way down the totem pole.
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Pitt met with Crean earlier this week.
This would be a good move for both parties.
Crean is good at these kinds of situations, and there's no reason Pitt can't be a good program again.
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This would be a good move for both parties.
Crean is good at these kinds of situations, and there's no reason Pitt can't be a good program again.
Agreed, I think he would do really well there.
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Agreed, I think he would do really well there.
“Really well?”
Sounds like a stretch for Crean, like him or not he is above average at running a program, no better. He has quite a track record to this point and none of his numbers indicate that hes done really well anywhere that he has been.
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Wow, Smith only got 2 years at Memphis. Seems like he's getting diminishing returns with each school he lands at. Will he even coach again?
Incredible that he left Kentucky for Minnesota after making 10 straight NCAA tournaments (with no first-round losses), advanced to the Sweet 16 six times and the Elite Eight 4 times, plus won a national title. That's not too far removed from what Al accomplished at Marquette from 1967-1977.
Well he "left" because the wolves were at his door.
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I believe Smith was inducted into the UK Athletic Hall of Fame not too long ago.
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Is Steve Lavin ever in any of these vacancy conversations? I kind of forgot about him until I saw a clip of him in a TV gig, but I always thought he was a fairly well-respected coach, even though his last couple years at SJU weren't so hot.
No, After his cancer scare, he's happy doing TV and living in California.
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“Really well?”
Sounds like a stretch for Crean, like him or not he is above average at running a program, no better. He has quite a track record to this point and none of his numbers indicate that hes done really well anywhere that he has been.
Crean has two undeniably solid rebuilds on his resume. I'm sure Pitt's new AD is aware of his ceiling as a game coach, but between finding better players and refilling the [empty] Pete with fans, I don't know that you'll find anyone more proven.
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Wow, Smith only got 2 years at Memphis. Seems like he's getting diminishing returns with each school he lands at. Will he even coach again?
Incredible that he left Kentucky for Minnesota after making 10 straight NCAA tournaments (with no first-round losses), advanced to the Sweet 16 six times and the Elite Eight 4 times, plus won a national title. That's not too far removed from what Al accomplished at Marquette from 1967-1977.
As sultan said, the writing was on the wall. It wasn't necessarily his overall resume that was the problem, it was the trajectory.
His championship was in year 1, all of his Elite Eights and Sweet Sixteens were in the next seven years, and his final two years were both Second Round exits after finishing 9-7 in the SEC. At most schools they'll build a statue of any coach who does that, but the UK fans considered him a failure for only getting to 1 Final Four in 10 seasons.
Also note that his NC (1998) came with mostly Pitino holdovers who were coming off a 1996 Championship and a 1997 Runner-Up (which might have been a NC but for an injury to Derek Anderson). So he walked into a ready-made contender; all he had to do was not screw things up.
Bottom line: the impressive numbers at UK were mostly because it was UK and the Pitino holdovers. If you look at his post-UK career, history has shown him to be a so-so coach: 2 wins in the tournament in 6 years at MN, 0 in 3 years at Texas Tech, 0 in 2 years at Memphis.
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And Crean has the experience of having been an assistant at Pitt at one time, so he has that going for him.
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I believe Smith was inducted into the UK Athletic Hall of Fame not too long ago.
Well sure. He won a national championship for them and had a number of other accomplishments. He should be honored for his work with them.
But that doesn't mean he wasn't on thin ice when he left there.
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Pete Thamel is reporting that Crean will meet with Georgia today.
Georgia is a better job than Pitt, IMO. Tons of talent in state, an athletic department with lots of money, and a less imposing conference.
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He'd do well at Georgia, better situation than Pitt. Heck, I'd swap for Crean today if we could. Who here wasn't disappointed when he left.
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He'd do well at Georgia, better situation than Pitt. Heck, I'd swap for Crean today if we could. Who here wasn't disappointed when he left.
A dentist.
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He'd do well at Georgia, better situation than Pitt. Heck, I'd swap for Crean today if we could. Who here wasn't disappointed when he left.
Oh Boy. PR Nightmare and a chorus of posters will answer this one!
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He'd do well at Georgia, better situation than Pitt. Heck, I'd swap for Crean today if we could. Who here wasn't disappointed when he left.
I wasn’t terribly disappointed. It was obvious he topped out here. I wouldn’t want him back not because I dislike the guy, but because we’ve already seen that.
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Crean sucks
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Crean sucks
The pool of available and potential coaching candidates out there is so shallow that Crean, for all we know about his strengths and weaknesses and personality traits, is still viewed as the best option available by many power 6 schools. Fire Wojo fans should cogitate on that.
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The pool of available and potential coaching candidates out there is so shallow that Crean, for all we know about his strengths and weaknesses and personality traits, is still viewed as the best option available by many power 6 schools. Fire Wojo fans should cogitate on that.
We know both Wojo and Crean well. If you didn't, Crean would seem like the better pick. From an outsiders standpoint both are good recruiters, both seem to run a above board program, both seem like okay X-O coaches. However, Crean has won in the post season where Wojo has not.
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Kermit Davis to Mississippi.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ole-miss-hires-middle-tennessee-coach-kermit-davis-to-replace-andy-kennedy/
MTSU is still playing in the NIT. That could be a little awkward.
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We know both Wojo and Crean well. If you didn't, Crean would seem like the better pick. From an outsiders standpoint both are good recruiters, both seem to run a above board program, both seem like okay X-O coaches. However, Crean has won in the post season where Wojo has not.
Agree with most. But I look at it slightly differently. I know what Crean's ceiling is. 18 years of high level D1 coaching, 9 NCAA tourney bids. Can bring a down program up. But only so far.
I don't know what Wojo's ceiling is.
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Kermit Davis to Mississippi.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ole-miss-hires-middle-tennessee-coach-kermit-davis-to-replace-andy-kennedy/
MTSU is still playing in the NIT. That could be a little awkward.
Sounds like they agreed that Davis could finish coaching in the tournament. I still think firing Andy Kennedy was a mistake. I get that he hasn't had many highlight moments, but that's a terrible job and only Florida and Kentucky have won more games in the SEC than Ole Miss during his tenure.
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Kermit Davis to Mississippi.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ole-miss-hires-middle-tennessee-coach-kermit-davis-to-replace-andy-kennedy/
MTSU is still playing in the NIT. That could be a little awkward.
Seems like settling for Davis. At least it's a power conference.
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Sounds like they agreed that Davis could finish coaching in the tournament. I still think firing Andy Kennedy was a mistake. I get that he hasn't had many highlight moments, but that's a terrible job and only Florida and Kentucky have won more games in the SEC than Ole Miss during his tenure.
Ole Miss isn't that bad of a job. It's not likely to ever be a contender, but they made five tourney appearances in the 10 seasons before Kennedy. They made two in 12 years with him.
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Sounds like they agreed that Davis could finish coaching in the tournament. I still think firing Andy Kennedy was a mistake. I get that he hasn't had many highlight moments, but that's a terrible job and only Florida and Kentucky have won more games in the SEC than Ole Miss during his tenure.
Is that really true? Geez the SEC has sucked... He didn't have a single tourney streak in his what 10 years at Old Miss
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Seems like settling for Davis. At least it's a power conference.
He'd clearly seen what he needed to see at MTSU. His big class is graduating. I get it.
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Is that really true? Geez the SEC has sucked... He didn't have a single tourney streak in his what 10 years at Old Miss
Before this year, Kennedy never finished worse than 2 games below .500 (7-9 & 8-10) in SEC play. 9 of his first 11 seasons they won 20+ games and this was his first losing season. I know he didn't go to the NCAAs a ton, but he did have 6 NIT trips. I think he's a good coach in a bad situation where they only care about football.
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Crean to Georgia
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Buzz to ESPN
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Wojo to Virgina Polytechnical
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Crean to Georgia
IG! IG!
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“I remember in 1980 sitting in my mom’s trailer watching Georgia win the national championship in football. It’s at that time that i fell in love with football and decided I would stalk the Harbaugh family. After repeated advances towards Jim and him filing a restraining order on me i decided to pursue his identical twin and its been a fairy tale ever since”.
You heard it here first, i called it before the IU press con, too
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Fwiw
Georgia is a crap job
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Agree with most. But I look at it slightly differently. I know what Crean's ceiling is. 18 years of high level D1 coaching, 9 NCAA tourney bids. Can bring a down program up. But only so far.
I don't know what Wojo's ceiling is.
Perfectly stated. You're on a roll, tower.
And for the record, no, I wouldn't trade Wojo for Crean.
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IGo! IGo!
FIFY (sic)
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Dominique Wilkins reference guaranteed.
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Fwiw
Georgia is a crap job
$16 million buys a lot of toilet paper.
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Fwiw
Georgia is a crap job
Not really. Lots of elite talent in Georgia, your in-state rival is a mess, you play in a major conference, but not a particularly strong one, and your athletic department is profitable. And the expectations are pretty reasonable, at least by major school standards.
It's a better job than Pitt or UConn is right now.
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Good for him, but SEC becoming a tougher job of late. Eight bids, ranked 3rd in the country ahead of the ACC and Big Ten.
Have to deal with the antics of Pearl (is he still under investigation) and Kentucky. Seems to excel at rebuilds, did it twice. Probably limited on the upper end to where he can go though he has a Final Four and several conference titles, Sweet 16 type appearances. Tech is a mess, so that should help in state, but that won't be an easy place to succeed. Best of luck to him.
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Not really. Lots of elite talent in Georgia, your in-state rival is a mess, you play in a major conference, but not a particularly strong one, and your athletic department is profitable. And the expectations are pretty reasonable, at least by major school standards.
It's a better job than Pitt or UConn is right now.
This.
Crean took his meeting in Pittsburgh and knew of the exodus coming today. Also knows UConn will be hampered for next two years. He already did that with Indiana. He's taking the best job available for him.
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Fire Wojo fans should cogitate on that.
cogitate
'koj-i-teyt
v to think hard; to ponder or meditate on intently
That sounds like work. Much easier to just spout off with the first thing that comes to mind when things don't go the way you want.
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Not really. Lots of elite talent in Georgia, your in-state rival is a mess, you play in a major conference, but not a particularly strong one, and your athletic department is profitable. And the expectations are pretty reasonable, at least by major school standards.
It's a better job than Pitt or UConn is right now.
$3.2MM/year will make it attractive too
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This.
Crean took his meeting in Pittsburgh and knew of the exodus coming today. Also knows UConn will be hampered for next two years. He already did that with Indiana. He's taking the best job available for him.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22792196/eight-pittsburgh-panthers-basketball-players-asking-release-wake-coaching-change
LOL @ Pitt
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22792196/eight-pittsburgh-panthers-basketball-players-asking-release-wake-coaching-change
LOL @ Pitt
Geez, they had 8 players transfer last season too
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Geez, they had 8 players transfer last season too
There's a different thread dedicated to PITT issue.
PITT just out a top recruit, Bryce Golden also.
Coaches:https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/evans-seven-mid-major-coaches-primed-for-a-move-up-the-ranks
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Schmuck crawls inta his hole in Florida nowadayz. Dis wey he kan commute ta Athens on the Dog Bus
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Looks like Hammon took herself out of the running for the Colorado St job. Too bad, I was hoping to see history there. Mark Fox the leading candidate now.
Why haven't we heard anything about the UConn opening? That's a huge hire...could represent a return to success for one of the best programs in the last 30 years, or could be the last nail in the coffin for a mid major
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Looks like Hammon took herself out of the running for the Colorado St job. Too bad, I was hoping to see history there. Mark Fox the leading candidate now.
Why haven't we heard anything about the UConn opening? That's a huge hire...could represent a return to success for one of the best programs in the last 30 years, or could be the last nail in the coffin for a mid major
It's kind of interesting that there are rules requiring minority candidates being interviewed, but not for women.
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Why haven't we heard anything about the UConn opening? That's a huge hire...could represent a return to success for one of the best programs in the last 30 years, or could be the last nail in the coffin for a mid major
Because the candidate that UConn assumes it is hiring just lost in the NCAA tournament yesterday. I assume there will be some more noise in the coming days.
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Here's where UConn's choices regarding football and conference affiliation could really come back to bite them.
The Huskies finished the season 14-18, ranked 175th in the country according to KenPom.com. That's not even DePaul bad (101st) or Rutgers bad (132nd). It's more along the lines of forgettable programs such as Pacific and Tulane.
It's true that Pittsburgh (229th) was even worse this year. But the ACC is the 2nd best conference in the country, the diamond of ESPN's basketball package. Even a humbled program like Pittsburgh has a lot more to offer than UConn at this point, dragged down by the likes of South Florida (279th) and East Carolina (307th) in the decidedly less-than-major AAC (ranked 7th behind the Pac-12).
This is not Indiana after Kelvin Sampson. Or Kentucky after Billy Gillespie. It could be that as of right now, the UConn basketball program is nowheresville.
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Here's where UConn's choices regarding football and conference affiliation could really come back to bite them.
The Huskies finished the season 14-18, ranked 175th in the country according to KenPom.com. That's not even DePaul bad (101st) or Rutgers bad (132nd). It's more along the lines of forgettable programs such as Pacific and Tulane.
It's true that Pittsburgh (229th) was even worse this year. But the ACC is the 2nd best conference in the country, the diamond of ESPN's basketball package. Even a humbled program like Pittsburgh has a lot more to offer than UConn at this point, dragged down by the likes of South Florida (279th) and East Carolina (307th) in the decidedly less-than-major AAC (ranked 7th behind the Pac-12).
This is not Indiana after Kelvin Sampson. Or Kentucky after Billy Gillespie. It could be that as of right now, the UConn basketball program is nowheresville.
From a basketball perspective they would be a much much better conference if they kicked out USF and ECU, they are really dragging down the conference, which actually has some nice programs (Wichita State, Cincinnati, Houston, Temple, SMU, UCONN). That is a decent core, but they have multiple other programs, really for the benefit of football, that are significantly worse than Depaul.
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UCONN without Calhoun = UNLV without Tarkanian
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Would love to see UConn prove just how desperate the university is by hiring Rick Pitino (and having it blow up in their faces, of course). UConn sucks.
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Because the candidate that UConn assumes it is hiring just lost in the NCAA tournament yesterday. I assume there will be some more noise in the coming days.
Reading between the lines, kind of has to be the Buffalo coach. Everyone else that lost yesterday would be a lateral-at-best or downward move.
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Reading between the lines, kind of has to be the Buffalo coach. Everyone else that lost yesterday would be a lateral-at-best or downward move.
Danny Hurley has some words for you.
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Here's where UConn's choices regarding football and conference affiliation could really come back to bite them.
The Huskies finished the season 14-18, ranked 175th in the country according to KenPom.com. That's not even DePaul bad (101st) or Rutgers bad (132nd). It's more along the lines of forgettable programs such as Pacific and Tulane.
It's true that Pittsburgh (229th) was even worse this year. But the ACC is the 2nd best conference in the country, the diamond of ESPN's basketball package. Even a humbled program like Pittsburgh has a lot more to offer than UConn at this point, dragged down by the likes of South Florida (279th) and East Carolina (307th) in the decidedly less-than-major AAC (ranked 7th behind the Pac-12).
This is not Indiana after Kelvin Sampson. Or Kentucky after Billy Gillespie. It could be that as of right now, the UConn basketball program is nowheresville.
Yup. The most recent wave of conference realignment had a lot of "winners" that moved "up"
(TCU, TAMU, Louisville, Creighton/Butler/Xavier, Utah, Wichita, etc) and "winners" that found themselves in a better situation without moving (Providence and Seton Hall, SEC basketball, etc). The only losers have been schools that struggled to adapt to newer, better conferences (Marquette and Georgetown, Syracuse and Pitt, mid-tier BIG10 teams like Illinois), but who should recover...and UConn. Heck, it's amazing that the failure of the rest of their athletics programs hasn't dragged down the women's BBall team too.
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Reading between the lines, kind of has to be the Buffalo coach. Everyone else that lost yesterday would be a lateral-at-best or downward move.
Dan Hurley. Rhode Island to UConn is clearly an upward move.
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Dan Hurley. Rhode Island to UConn is clearly an upward move.
Not sure how big of an upward move, either for Hurley or for UConn.
Hurley gets to move up from the Atlantic 10 conference (ranked as high as 7th in the country less than a decade ago, but now fallen to a distant 10th) to the AAC (rated 7th in four of the five years of its existence). An improvement, but not exactly the big time.
UConn gets an experienced coach fresh off an A10 title who knows how to recruit the northeast. However, his best team was ranked just 34th by KenPom.com. While Hurley's made two straight NCAAs and won a game in each, it's not as though he has the tournament resume of Brad Stevens at Butler in the Horizon League.
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Dan Hurley. Rhode Island to UConn is clearly an upward move.
True, but that's more because the A-10 is awful than because of UConn.
Right now, UConn is similar to - but slightly worse than - where MU was after Majerus. Several years past the legend, held it together for a while, but the trajectory was trending down. But at least MU was regularly making it to the NCAAs under Hank and the NIT under Rick. With Ollie, they did very well for a couple of seasons, then fell off a cliff.
This hiring could resurrect the program, or send it to the kind of purgatory we faced under Dukiet. And UConn isn't in a terribly great bargaining position in the AAC.
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Not sure how big of an upward move, either for Hurley or for UConn.
Hurley gets to move up from the Atlantic 10 conference (ranked as high as 7th in the country less than a decade ago, but now fallen to a distant 10th) to the AAC (rated 7th in four of the five years of its existence). An improvement, but not exactly the big time.
UConn gets an experienced coach fresh off an A10 title who knows how to recruit the northeast. However, his best team was ranked just 34th by KenPom.com. While Hurley's made two straight NCAAs and won a game in each, it's not as though he has the tournament resume of Brad Stevens at Butler in the Horizon League.
Danny Hurley did that at Rhode Island, not exactly a basketball powerhouse with lots of resources. UConn still has its name, and a ton of resources. Hurley would be a home run hire.
The death knell of UConn is premature here. If this hire goes bad though, it would definitely be valid.
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I'm not pronouncing the death knell for UConn. But it looks a lot more likely today than it did when Calhoun retired. The basketball program (and perhaps the athletic program as a whole) is on shaky ground.
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Not sure how big of an upward move, either for Hurley or for UConn.
Hurley gets to move up from the Atlantic 10 conference (ranked as high as 7th in the country less than a decade ago, but now fallen to a distant 10th) to the AAC (rated 7th in four of the five years of its existence). An improvement, but not exactly the big time.
UConn gets an experienced coach fresh off an A10 title who knows how to recruit the northeast. However, his best team was ranked just 34th by KenPom.com. While Hurley's made two straight NCAAs and won a game in each, it's not as though he has the tournament resume of Brad Stevens at Butler in the Horizon League.
You are putting way too much stock in the conference and not enough in the program.
Rhode Island doesn't devote nearly the amount of resources that UConn does into their program. UConn has a larger fan base and just won a national championship a few years ago. URI has had some success, but it's been spotty, and once they do, their coaches leave for greener pastures.
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I guess I made my point. I'd say RI to UConn is kind of a lateral move at this point. Obviously much higher ceiling. But seems to be a lower floor at this point, too.
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I guess I made my point. I'd say RI to UConn is kind of a lateral move at this point. Obviously much higher ceiling. But seems to be a lower floor at this point, too.
How on God's green earth is it a "lateral move?" Hurley may turn them down for whatever reason, but if 100 coaches were offered both positions, 95 of them take the UConn job.
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It will take Georgia a few years, but they will grow to dislike Crean as much as Marquette and Indiana fans.
He’s completely vacant.
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How on God's green earth is it a "lateral move?" Hurley may turn them down for whatever reason, but if 100 coaches were offered both positions, 95 of them take the UConn job.
Recency bias?
And by recent, we're talking the last two seasons.
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Yeah, UConn is an infinitely better program than Rhode Island and its not even close.
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Yeah, UConn is an infinitely better program than Rhode Island and its not even close.
But is it infinitely better if you account for loyalty and comfort? In 2018 UConn isn't an "It's Indiana" situation anymore.
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True, but that's more because the A-10 is awful than because of UConn.
Right now, UConn is similar to - but slightly worse than - where MU was after Majerus. Several years past the legend, held it together for a while, but the trajectory was trending down. But at least MU was regularly making it to the NCAAs under Hank and the NIT under Rick. With Ollie, they did very well for a couple of seasons, then fell off a cliff.
This hiring could resurrect the program, or send it to the kind of purgatory we faced under Dukiet. And UConn isn't in a terribly great bargaining position in the AAC.
I'm hoping they're facing puragtory more like DePaul after Joey.
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I'm not pronouncing the death knell for UConn. But it looks a lot more likely today than it did when Calhoun retired. The basketball program (and perhaps the athletic program as a whole) is on shaky ground.
That's what they get for hiring a football first AD.
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UConn is the gambler at the casino playing poker that keeps losing money and doesn't know when to walk away. Instead, he keeps tossing money out on his next hand, hoping that he gets a straight flush and gets a jackpot.
It's kind of sad to see, but it's - more so - frightening. You keep wondering how much they have left to spend before they are unable to continue playing. I truly think that the cord gets pulled on their football program due to the revenue just not being there anymore. They are already paying Diaco big money for not coaching. They hired Edsall because he was willing to take less money and had success their before. Their former offensive coordinator just left for the same position at SMU. Now they need to pony up and spend up to buyout Ollie (whose for cause firing will not hold up in court).
In retrospect, they should have never elevated football in the early 2000's.
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In retrospect, they should have never elevated football in the early 2000's.
If only the administration agreed. In their view, the powers behind the football power conferences are the only thing holding back UConn from achieving the true greatness it deserves. They see perennial football doormats like Kansas raking in money for nothing and seethe with jealousy. Their only regret is that the Big 12 or ACC have yet to extend an invitation to join the club (which will surely happen eventually).
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If only the administration agreed. In their view, the powers behind the football power conferences are the only thing holding back UConn from achieving the true greatness it deserves. They see perennial football doormats like Kansas raking in money for nothing and seethe with jealousy. Their only regret is that the Big 12 or ACC have yet to extend an invitation to join the club (which will surely happen eventually).
Will it though? Their football program isn't going anywhere and their basketball program is a cluster f**k right now.
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Yeah I don't think there is going to be much movement at the P5 level for awhile. Now that the B10 has locked up their TV rights, and with the continuing declining viewing numbers, I don't think the networks are clamoring for conferences to add members. And I don't think that UConn would be the most enticing candidate anyway.
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If only the administration agreed. In their view, the powers behind the football power conferences are the only thing holding back UConn from achieving the true greatness it deserves. They see perennial football doormats like Kansas raking in money for nothing and seethe with jealousy. Their only regret is that the Big 12 or ACC have yet to extend an invitation to join the club (which will surely happen eventually).
Unfortunately, I do not see that happening. UConn has now fallen behind other football programs in the AAC like UCF, USF, Memphis and Houston in the pecking order for (potential) expansion. They have a smaller stadium, compared to P5 standards. They lack history and tradition. They don't have a large enrollment. They don't have a large endowment. They are not an AAU institution. Men's Basketball has hit rock bottom. What exactly would a P5 conference add by inviting UConn?
Conversely, UCF and USF have skyrocketed their value to a potential P5 conference (ACC/Big 12) due to their size, location and commitment to athletics. When those two programs play P5 schools, they get huge crowds. They have proven to be able to win at the higher levels.
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. My post was about how UConn sees things. In their view, it's a downright injustice that no football power conference has invited them yet. Personally, I think they're disconnected from reality and chasing a fever dream that's costing taxpayers and students tens of millions.
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Yeah, UConn is an infinitely better program than Rhode Island and its not even close.
Yeah. But is it so infinitely better that he has to wait 5 more years of a rebuild in order to get a job in a Power 6 Conference? No
His brother told DePaul to stick it...then got ASU
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UCONN is better than URI, however there's a very good chance that even bigger programs will come calling. I think the bigger question is whether or not he wants to leave the northeast?
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With a few exceptions, looks like UCONN fans have started to give up hope at getting into a power conference. I kinda feel bad, but after they continually bad mouthed the Big East, they get what they deserve.
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/conference-realignment.125483/
Thank god for the Big East
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Hurley will take U Conn deal if offered. Hurley is a very good coach and will have U Conn back in good shape relatively quickly.
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One of the posts on the UConn blog reads:
"We will be begging the A10 for an invite in 5 years."
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I blame Peter Karmanos for ruining Connecticut sports
1996- Karmanos announces the Whalers will be leaving Hartford at the end of the season, taking professional sports from the city.
1998- Connecticut makes a deal with Robert Kraft to bring the Patriots to Hartford, bringing professional sports back to the city, but it falls through.
1998- In response, the previously failed attempt to bring the Huskies to Division 1 and build a stadium was revived.
2002- UConn becomes a full-fledged D1 member, but draws small crowds and had almost no success.
In the meantime, the men’s and women’s basketball teams continued to win championships and have great success, while the state of Connecticut tried desperately to remain relevant in major sports...not realizing that they WERE relevant in a massive sport.
2013- Conference realignment. UConn, a state university, hitched its fortunes to a hope for an ACC invite that never came. Now they suck and are stuck in college football and basketball purgatory in the AAC.
So, in conclusion, Karmanos moving the Whalers gave the whole state a massive sports inferiority complex that they tried to fill with football (twice). If they had just realized the gold they had in Huskies basketball (men’s and women’s) they could be happy in the Big East. Now it’s probably too late.
Screw Peter Karmanos (signed...a former Hartfordian)
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Hartford Whalers still have one of the best jerseys in sporting history.
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Hartford Whalers still have one of the best jerseys in sporting history.
No doubt about it. They sell Whalers stuff all over New England.
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Hurley will take U Conn deal if offered. Hurley is a very good coach and will have U Conn back in good shape relatively quickly.
Year 5?
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Hartford Whalers still have one of the best jerseys in sporting history.
Hartford Whaler merchandise is among the top selling in the NHL, period.
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I blame Peter Karmanos for ruining Connecticut sports
1996- Karmanos announces the Whalers will be leaving Hartford at the end of the season, taking professional sports from the city.
1998- Connecticut makes a deal with Robert Kraft to bring the Patriots to Hartford, bringing professional sports back to the city, but it falls through.
1998- In response, the previously failed attempt to bring the Huskies to Division 1 and build a stadium was revived.
2002- UConn becomes a full-fledged D1 member, but draws small crowds and had almost no success.
In the meantime, the men’s and women’s basketball teams continued to win championships and have great success, while the state of Connecticut tried desperately to remain relevant in major sports...not realizing that they WERE relevant in a massive sport.
2013- Conference realignment. UConn, a state university, hitched its fortunes to a hope for an ACC invite that never came. Now they suck and are stuck in college football and basketball purgatory in the AAC.
So, in conclusion, Karmanos moving the Whalers gave the whole state a massive sports inferiority complex that they tried to fill with football (twice). If they had just realized the gold they had in Huskies basketball (men’s and women’s) they could be happy in the Big East. Now it’s probably too late.
Screw Peter Karmanos (signed...a former Hartfordian)
I hate Peter Karmanos.
Hockey hater Governor Rowland even came through with a new arena offer for him, but it was too little too late and Kamoron had his sights on Columbus, OH where his wife was from but that city had no interest in him as they wanted an expansion team (Which they ended up getting).
It's not like the move to Raleigh, NC has been a home run move either. Yeah, they won a Cup, but they've always are one of the lowest attended teams.
I love hockey and still play when I can, but I haven't followed the NHL since.
I agree, Connecticut has been trying to make up by pushing D1 football as the replacement since then.
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I blame Peter Karmanos for ruining Connecticut sports
1996- Karmanos announces the Whalers will be leaving Hartford at the end of the season, taking professional sports from the city.
1998- Connecticut makes a deal with Robert Kraft to bring the Patriots to Hartford, bringing professional sports back to the city, but it falls through.
1998- In response, the previously failed attempt to bring the Huskies to Division 1 and build a stadium was revived.
2002- UConn becomes a full-fledged D1 member, but draws small crowds and had almost no success.
In the meantime, the men’s and women’s basketball teams continued to win championships and have great success, while the state of Connecticut tried desperately to remain relevant in major sports...not realizing that they WERE relevant in a massive sport.
2013- Conference realignment. UConn, a state university, hitched its fortunes to a hope for an ACC invite that never came. Now they suck and are stuck in college football and basketball purgatory in the AAC.
So, in conclusion, Karmanos moving the Whalers gave the whole state a massive sports inferiority complex that they tried to fill with football (twice). If they had just realized the gold they had in Huskies basketball (men’s and women’s) they could be happy in the Big East. Now it’s probably too late.
Screw Peter Karmanos (signed...a former Hartfordian)
I think you're spot on. The reality is that Hartford is geographically stuck between NYC and Boston. The Whalers last year they couldn't sell 11,000 STHs. The NHL had fertile untapped markets in the '90s.
Too bad they didn't realize that college hoops was their niche. They tried to force football and lost their franchise. They'll never get it back to where it was unless they swallow their pride and drop the gridiron effort. And even then they'll have to beg and take a lesser $ share.
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I think you're spot on. The reality is that Hartford is geographically stuck between NYC and Boston. The Whalers last year they couldn't sell 11,000 STHs. The NHL had fertile untapped markets in the '90s.
There's a reason for the 11,000 STHs. The Whalers could and did sell far more in earlier seasons. The owner before Karmanos got in terrible trouble financially and traded away 2 of the teams most popular players (including its best player) for two nobodies and team absolutely sucked thereafter. Fans were so mad about the trade the team was boycotted. Ironically, Karmanos did make some good moves to turn the team around. The season tickets were steadily increasing as a result and he still pulled the plug.
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I get it. But think about today with the likes of Nashville and Columbus, etc. It was always a big risk in Hartford. Might have survived but maybe not. Point is college hoops was gold.
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Penney Hardaway to Memphis. Now he brings in his AAU Team kids.
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Year 5?
Year 2
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I get it. But think about today with the likes of Nashville and Columbus, etc. It was always a big risk in Hartford. Might have survived but maybe not. Point is college hoops was gold.
Hartford was and is not really a risk at all. Connecticut already was and is a big hockey state.
In the late 80's it was the second highest valued franchise after the New York Rangers. ESPN was specifically created to televise Hartford Whalers games.
I believe Hartford is one of the top 5 for NHL TV ratings While the Hartford media market is slightly behind Nashville and slightly larger than Columbus is does not include Springfield, MA which 20 minutes away and loaded with Whaler fans. And collegiate hockey has always sold out. Yale was NCAA champ in 2013 and Quinnipiac U. was Runner-up in 2013 and 2014. UConn has the highest hockey attendance in Hockey East. We have two AHL teams and at one point had three AHL teams.
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Well this isn't good...
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
Curious to see how quickly Louisville’s Interim AD Vince Tyra makes his move for Xavier's Chris Mack. To say he's the favorite would be an understatement.
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Penny hired at Memphis.
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Well this isn't good...
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
Curious to see how quickly Louisville’s Interim AD Vince Tyra makes his move for Xavier's Chris Mack. To say he's the favorite would be an understatement.
Mack is a Xavier alum and has turned down programs like Ohio state. If this happens I'd be surprised
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Penny hired at Memphis.
Does he convince Larry Brown to join the staff?
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Mack is a Xavier alum and has turned down programs like Ohio state. If this happens I'd be surprised
If the ncaa has any balls whatsoever then Louisville is due the death penalty. Gotta figure pending punishment is a huge factor in Loserville hiring a coach. Potentially great job but who wants to spend 5 years rebuilding if u already have a really good gig??
Also does anyone have any idea when the ncaa will begin their portion of the investigation into all these bribes? Or are they just having the FBI do their investigations now??!!. I feel it was a travesty that arizona, auburn etc played in the tourney.
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Well this isn't good...
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
Curious to see how quickly Louisville’s Interim AD Vince Tyra makes his move for Xavier's Chris Mack. To say he's the favorite would be an understatement.
Must've been turned down by Shaka, Donovan and Marshall.
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Mack is a Xavier alum and has turned down programs like Ohio state. If this happens I'd be surprised
Money talks, but I don't see why anyone with options would want the Louisville gig right now.
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Perhaps XUInsider has some information for us.
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Mack is a Xavier alum and has turned down programs like Ohio state. If this happens I'd be surprised
Yah, I mean, is Louisville really that big of a step up? I think Mack is where he wants to be, but $$$ speaks sometimes. I am sure he is well paid, but I am sure Louisville is willing to throw a ton at him.
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Yah, I mean, is Louisville really that big of a step up? I think Mack is where he wants to be, but $$$ speaks sometimes. I am sure he is well paid, but I am sure Louisville is willing to throw a ton at him.
I believe his wife is from Louisville
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I believe his wife is from Louisville
It’s an hour and a half away. Not like she’s flying when she wants to go “home”
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It’s an hour and a half away. Not like she’s flying when she wants to go “home”
guru is right in that his wife is from Louisville, and being within 10-15 minutes of your family is different than being a couple hours away. I'm not saying he will or won't go, but if there's a big job he goes for, that might be it. Louisville would throw significant money at him, and with their uncertain situation, he could likely get a longer guaranteed contract than other schools might give (something in the 8-10 year range). It will be interesting to see what he does, I'd be surprised if Louisville hasn't already reached out.
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guru is right in that his wife is from Louisville, and being within 10-15 minutes of your family is different than being a couple hours away. I'm not saying he will or won't go, but if there's a big job he goes for, that might be it. Louisville would throw significant money at him, and with their uncertain situation, he could likely get a longer guaranteed contract than other schools might give (something in the 8-10 year range). It will be interesting to see what he does, I'd be surprised if Louisville hasn't already reached out.
Changing jobs to be roughly one hour closer? He’d have to love his wife waaaay more than I love mine!
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Yah, I mean, is Louisville really that big of a step up? I think Mack is where he wants to be, but $$$ speaks sometimes. I am sure he is well paid, but I am sure Louisville is willing to throw a ton at him.
Pitino was reportedly the highest-paid coach in college basketball. He signed a 10-year, $55 million contract extension with Louisville in 2015. The university's athletic association board voted to void his contract for cause. He also lost approximately $2 million a year from his Adidas sponsorship deal.
According to USA Today, Chris Mack makes a $1.7 million annual salary at Xavier.
Louisville's interim head coach David Padgett makes $800,000.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/ (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/)
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Changing jobs to be roughly one hour closer? He’d have to love his wife waaaay more than I love mine!
That would be a nice benefit, but he would be changing jobs mostly because it is a higher profile job that's going to pay him a lot more money.
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Yah, I mean, is Louisville really that big of a step up? I think Mack is where he wants to be, but $$$ speaks sometimes. I am sure he is well paid, but I am sure Louisville is willing to throw a ton at him.
Louisville is a step up from Xavier.
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Changing jobs to be roughly one hour closer? He’d have to love his wife waaaay more than I love mine!
Especially to be closer to the in laws...
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Louisville is a step up from Xavier.
5 years ago, I definitely agree and its not close. Right now? Who wants to take that job? Who knows even you'll even to postseason eligible for the first half decade you're there.
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If Mack is ever going to leave X, now might be the time..coming off a conference title, an unprecedented 1 seed, and losing the best senior class X may ever have..it could be awhile before X has that kind of success again..if ever. Might be time for a new challenge for him.
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guru is right in that his wife is from Louisville, and being within 10-15 minutes of your family is different than being a couple hours away.
Man, you said it. A couple hours is much better.
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Man, you said it. A couple hours is much better.
Yeah, it comes down to what you want. My mother-in-law is an hour away. That's a nice distance because it's not close enough for the pop-in but it is close enough that she can help out. My folks are a 20 hour drive away, and it would be really helpful to have them more like 20-30 minutes. It all depends on what Mack and his wife want. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he left. Largely depends on who wears the pants.
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Yeah, it comes down to what you want. My mother-in-law is an hour away. That's a nice distance because it's not close enough for the pop-in but it is close enough that she can help out. My folks are a 20 hour drive away, and it would be really helpful to have them more like 20-30 minutes. It all depends on what Mack and his wife want. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he left. Largely depends on who wears the pants.
My personal opinion is that it depends on how convincing Louisville can be that they're going to escape extremely severe penalties. If they can convince Mack of that, he'll take that job. If not, he won't. I'm skeptical.
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If Mack is ever going to leave X, now might be the time..coming off a conference title, an unprecedented 1 seed, and losing the best senior class X may ever have..it could be awhile before X has that kind of success again..if ever. Might be time for a new challenge for him.
Agreed. Heard through the grapevine that he was willing to jump this fall when the job opened but wanted 10 years guaranteed, and Louisville balked. Who knows if that's true but leaving after losing this class wouldn't shock me.
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5 years ago, I definitely agree and its not close. Right now? Who wants to take that job? Who knows even you'll even to postseason eligible for the first half decade you're there.
When the dust settles this is a great gig. Outstanding fan base that is rabid. One would have to think twice right now until the full extent of the damage is known. On the other hand, knowing how spineless the NCAA is, the penalty might not be that severe.
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I honestly wouldn't be mad at Mack if he decided to move on to Louisville. He has spent over 15 years there between being an assistant and being a head coach. He has accomplished so much at Xavier, and has done great things elevating the program after Prosser, Matta and Miller. Xavier, like Marquette, is very much a program built on a collection of coaches. It succeeded before Mack, it is successful with Mack, and it will be successful after Mack. Butler is like this. Many of the Big East programs are like this.
If I'm Mack, I can see why he would demand 10 years. Who knows what other further sanctions the program will receive and be handcuffed by. If you make a move like this, you want (and have earned) guarantees. If they can't commit to a coach of this resume, then he need not seriously consider it. He has all of the advantage, IMO.
In the great words of Jay Wright, "Don't mess with happy." If Mack cannot get a long guarantee, or is not 100% convinced that Louisville is his next and last job, then he shouldn't take it.
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I hope this is the right place to post this ...
What does Tony Bennett have to do so the first sentence of his obituary is NOT “the guy that lost to UMBC”? I think only one NCAA title might not be enough.
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I hope this is the right place to post this ...
What does Tony Bennett have to do so the first sentence of his obituary is NOT “the guy that lost to UMBC”? I think only one NCAA title might not be enough.
Is the UMBC coach going to be pursued now by larger mid-majors?
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Is the UMBC coach going to be pursued now by larger mid-majors?
Before the tournament he was rumored to be the next coach at East Carolina.
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What does Tony Bennett have to do so the first sentence of his obituary is NOT “the guy that lost to UMBC”? I think only one NCAA title might not be enough.
Arizona, Michigan State and Georgetown all lost to #15 seeds. But my first thought on reading the names of those programs is "champions." (Extra credit: Can you name the #15 seeds they each lost to?)
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I honestly wouldn't be mad at Mack if he decided to move on to Louisville. He has spent over 15 years there between being an assistant and being a head coach. He has accomplished so much at Xavier, and has done great things elevating the program after Prosser, Matta and Miller. Xavier, like Marquette, is very much a program built on a collection of coaches. It succeeded before Mack, it is successful with Mack, and it will be successful after Mack. Butler is like this. Many of the Big East programs are like this.
If I'm Mack, I can see why he would demand 10 years. Who knows what other further sanctions the program will receive and be handcuffed by. If you make a move like this, you want (and have earned) guarantees. If they can't commit to a coach of this resume, then he need not seriously consider it. He has all of the advantage, IMO.
In the great words of Jay Wright, "Don't mess with happy." If Mack cannot get a long guarantee, or is not 100% convinced that Louisville is his next and last job, then he shouldn't take it.
Totally agree with this.
There is absolutely no reason X would have to decline just because Mack lost.
Stevens was a far better coach than Mack in a place that's almost surely more difficult to succeed, and yet the program somehow carried on without him.
Xavier would be able to get a great head coach from the outside, or they could hire from within.
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Arizona, Michigan State and Georgetown all lost to #15 seeds. But my first thought on reading the names of those programs is "champions." (Extra credit: Can you name the #15 seeds they each lost to?)
Santa Clara, MTSU, Florida Gulf Coast.
You're also missing the Dukies loss to Lehigh and Missouri to Norfolk St.
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Santa Clara, MTSU, Florida Gulf Coast.
You're also missing the Dukies loss to Lehigh and Missouri to Norfolk St.
Syracuse to Richmond, Iowa St to Hampton, too.
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Arizona, Michigan State and Georgetown all lost to #15 seeds. But my first thought on reading the names of those programs is "champions." (Extra credit: Can you name the #15 seeds they each lost to?)
Without looking, Santa Clara (Steve Nash), MTSU, FGCU-Dunk City.
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Jeff Jacobs @jeffjacobs123
UConn close to signing Dan Hurley as UConn coach, sources close to Hearst CT Media.
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Jon Rothstein's now reporting that Pitt offered Dan Hurley the job at over $3 million/year. Considering they'll likely end up paying $9 million for Stallings' buyout, they're not messing around.
UCONN and RI are still options for him, but the Pitt job is a $2 million annual raise over RI, and UCONN's offering less. I also think he would be one of few hires to be able to convince some of the 9 players who requested their release last week to stick around, so at least he could field a team (right now Pitt is down to 2 scholarship players, returning 1.5 ppg from last year).
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The ideal scenario would be Hurley refusing Pitt, taking UConn, which forces Pitt to hire Kevin Willard. Then Hurley pulls a Chris Beard, tells UConn to pound sand and leaves for his alma mater, Seton Hall, before ever coaching a game.
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I don't know why someone leaves for "greener pastures". Crean is just a recent example of a coach who has done so and regretted it. Remember Al, if MU was good enough for him, it's good enough for anyone.
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I don't know why someone leaves for "greener pastures". Crean is just a recent example of a coach who has done so and regretted it. Remember Al, if MU was good enough for him, it's good enough for anyone.
Because people want new challenges.
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Because people want more money.
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The ideal scenario would be Hurley refusing Pitt, taking UConn, which forces Pitt to hire Kevin Willard. Then Hurley pulls a Chris Beard, tells UConn to pound sand and leaves for his alma mater, Seton Hall, before ever coaching a game.
He doesn't exactly have fond memories of his alma mater so I don't think that would ever happen.
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Often in life, change is good. It helps keep one fresh in mind and spirit, it brings new challenges (as sultan said), it gives a person new experiences, lets somebody return "home" or experience an entirely different part of the country. All kinds of reasons some people - not just coaches, but people of all professions - choose to go elsewhere. Even those who are happy where they are sometimes want to experience something different.
My wife is a pediatric RN who has received many commendations from her employers over the years. She could work in any city in the country. We liked Chicago. We wanted to try something different. We moved to Charlotte "just because" we wanted to experience a different part of the country, a different culture.
I was a middle-school head coach. I had an opportunity to become a high school assistant coach. I enjoyed working with the middle-school age group, and I loved being in charge, but I thought it would be interesting to see what it was like coaching high school ball and being part of a coaching staff.
All kinds of reasons people seek change.
As for coaches (or athletes or anybody else) who choose to stay, even rejecting bigger money for "better" jobs, that's cool, too. It doesn't make them "better" people. It doesn't even make them more loyal. It just means they are content where they are and are happy with the daily challenges they face.
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I don't know why someone leaves for "greener pastures". Crean is just a recent example of a coach who has done so and regretted it. Remember Al, if MU was good enough for him, it's good enough for anyone.
Al wanted to leave for the Bucks at one time.
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Often in life, change is good. It helps keep one fresh in mind and spirit, it brings new challenges (as sultan said), it gives a person new experiences, let's somebody return "home" or experience an entirely different part of the country. All kinds of reasons some people - not just coaches, but people of all professions - choose to go elsewhere. Even those who are happy where they are sometimes want to experience something different.
My wife is a pediatric RN who has received many commendations from her employers over the years. She could work in any city in the country. We liked Chicago. We wanted to try something different. We moved to Charlotte "just because" we wanted to experience a different part of the country, a different culture.
I was a middle-school head coach. I had an opportunity to become a high school assistant coach. I enjoyed working with the middle-school age group, and I loved being in charge, but I thought it would be interesting to see what it was like coaching high school ball and being part of a coaching staff.
All kinds of reasons people seek change.
As for coaches (or athletes or anybody else) who choose to stay, even rejecting bigger money for "better" jobs, that's cool, too. It doesn't make them "better" people. It doesn't even make them more loyal. It just means they are content where they are and are happy with the daily challenges they face.
Well said.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/wichita-st-releases-4-star-recruit-play-hs-coach-penny-hardaway-memphis-032324084.html
Interesting article reference Hardaway hiring. Nice move by WSU and if you think Hardaway was hired because of his coaching skills, well.....look at the recruits probably lining up to play for their AAU coach.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/wichita-st-releases-4-star-recruit-play-hs-coach-penny-hardaway-memphis-032324084.html
Interesting article reference Hardaway hiring. Nice move by WSU and if you think Hardaway was hired because of his coaching skills, well.....look at the recruits probably lining up to play for their AAU coach.
No one is hired for their coaching skills. Look at Willard. His "coaching skills" have lost more games than won but his brown bag goes deep so he's still working.
Hire the guy who's gonna get you the talent and stay blind to the dirty work of getting wins.
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He doesn't exactly have fond memories of his alma mater so I don't think that would ever happen.
I'm going to guess that's not true. There may be some mixed feelings, but his son is currently completing his freshman year at Seton Hall. You don't send your kid there if you have a gripe. He'd certainly take that phone call.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22862828/dan-hurley-leave-rhode-island-become-uconn-men-basketball-coach
Hurley to UCONN.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22862828/dan-hurley-leave-rhode-island-become-uconn-men-basketball-coach
Hurley to UCONN.
That is huge for UCONN that they got their preferred coach. Good for them - hope he is successful. Now ditch FB.
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From a Connecticut paper.
https://www.nhregister.com/uconn/article/Dan-Hurley-hired-as-UConn-men-s-basketball-coach-12772889.php
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Jeff Capel taking the Pitt job, apparently.
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They could do far worse than Capel, and it helps that he knows the ACC. I'm not sure that this will go down as an exciting hire to their fan base, though, and they'll probably still lose a good number of those 9 players to transfer. Then again, I'm not sure anyone other than Sean Miller would have really excited their fan base, and he obviously would have come with a host of potential, career-ruining issues.
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They could do far worse than Capel, and it helps that he knows the ACC. I'm not sure that this will go down as an exciting hire to their fan base, though, and they'll probably still lose a good number of those 9 players to transfer. Then again, I'm not sure anyone other than Sean Miller would have really excited their fan base, and he obviously would have come with a host of potential, career-ruining issues.
In a year where there is not a ton of movement, it seems like a pretty good hire. An interesting hire where Capel has the promise of an assistant at this point while not a newbie to the head-coaching ranks.
I retract my earlier statement on Crean - there just is not that many open jobs this year. Guessing schools are staying pat until they see the results of the FBI investigation?
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Jeff Capel taking the Pitt job, apparently.
FFFFFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEECKKKKK I wanted Moser to take that job
Plus if Wojo gives us a couple nice years ahead as expected, there goes competiton for successor...
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On the flip side, if Capel can turn around Pitt in any way (say, getting them to the tourney in 2-3 years), I'd say he'd have the support of the Dukies to replace Coach K.
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FFFFFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEECKKKKK I wanted Moser to take that job
Plus if Wojo gives us a couple nice years ahead as expected, there goes competiton for successor...
If anything, Capel having some success at Pitt increases his likelihood of getting the Duke job when K retires. Gets rid of the stink from that last couple of years at Oklahoma
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Moser to Pitt would have been a big mistake for both parties. This is a much better fit - and probably better than Pitt deserves.
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FFFFFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEECKKKKK I wanted Moser to take that job
Plus if Wojo gives us a couple nice years ahead as expected, there goes competiton for successor...
I'd be ecstatic if Wojo achieved enough success the next few years to be considered the top candidate for the Duke job. Now, that said, why would we have hired a guy that we felt would bolt from MU if he had success and the Duke job opened?
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Just took at look at their message boards. Pitt fans are thrilled.
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Chris Mack rumored to Louisville. Tough blow for the Big East
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When the bag man leaves it typically means the head guy isn't concerned about stocking the cupboard.
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When the bag man leaves it typically means the head guy isn't concerned about stocking the cupboard.
Who was his bag man?
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Who was his bag man?
I took it as a reference to Capel being K’s bag man
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Players @LouisvilleMBB have team meeting at 2:45 with their new leader ! Great choice by LOUISVILLE / CHRIS MACK
https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/978679062351708162
A related comment on Twitter noted that, as Vitale would be the LAST person in the media to know this, it's likely true.
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If you read the comments, it appears that the meeting is with the (kind of) new AD?
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Could be. Wouldn't make much sense to include Chris Mack's name in the tweet in that case.
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I'd be ecstatic if Wojo achieved enough success the next few years to be considered the top candidate for the Duke job. Now, that said, why would we have hired a guy that we felt would bolt from MU if he had success and the Duke job opened?
Just about any coach would leave MU for Duke. You can't worry about that. It's like not taking your dream job because you might get fired someday. Or not dating the girl you love because she might find another guy. Go for the best and enjoy it while it lasts.
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Does the Coaching Carousel seem less this year? Not many P6 jobs seem to be open like in the past. The football schools must be sick of paying 2-3 head basketball coaches at the same time.
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Just about any coach would leave MU for Duke. You can't worry about that. It's like not taking your dream job because you might get fired someday. Or not dating the girl you love because she might find another guy. Go for the best and enjoy it while it lasts.
Yep. If your team is at real risk of losing its coach to a school like Duke, then life is good for you as a fan. Enjoy the ride...
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I'd be ecstatic if Wojo achieved enough success the next few years to be considered the top candidate for the Duke job. Now, that said, why would we have hired a guy that we felt would bolt from MU if he had success and the Duke job opened?
He gave very good powerpoint.
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Wojo takes us to two Final Fours and then goes to Duke.
Half of Scoop is saying, "Good riddance. He really couldn't coach anyway. The Final Fours were flukes."
The other half is saying, "Wow. No loyalty. We're a stepping-stone school again."
Can't win ... even when we win.
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On the flip side, if Capel can turn around Pitt in any way (say, getting them to the tourney in 2-3 years), I'd say he'd have the support of the Dukies to replace Coach K.
Think that already is a done deal. Only other scenario would be if Bilas threw his hat in that ring. That would really be an interesting monkey wrench.
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An early jump on the 2019 Carousel ... Fran Dumphy retiring after one more year at Temple, will be replaced by Aaron McKie.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/temple/temple-owls-basketball-fran-dunphy-resign-aaron-mckie-20180330.html
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If Wojo takes MU to two FF and goes to Duke, I would say thank you for getting the job done. Then it is up to admin to keep the ball rolling.
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An early jump on the 2019 Carousel ... Fran Dumphy retiring after one more year at Temple, will be replaced by Aaron McKie.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/temple/temple-owls-basketball-fran-dunphy-resign-aaron-mckie-20180330.html
Has making a former player the HC officially become a trend?
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Pitino to MKE
https://twitter.com/matt_velazquez/status/979773634238541824?s=21
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This has me nervous: https://twitter.com/kingkmph/status/979587476263088128?s=21
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This has me nervous: https://twitter.com/kingkmph/status/979587476263088128?s=21
UCLA assistant is expected to get the gig.
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Has making a former player the HC officially become a trend?
Seems to be picking up steam. Ol Roy at UNC, Huggie at WVU, Cronin at UC all have been there a while and are doing very well. Mulllin at SJU, Grant at UD, Dixon at TCU, Ewing at GT, Jordan at Butler are works in progress with varying degrees of success and promise. Mack at X succeeded then moved on. Ollie at UConn didn't make the cut. Now McKie...
MU gave it a shot with Rick (although he didn't play varsity)...and he might've stuck if it wasn't for the Bucks. How long before we hire someone like Diener, Novak, etc?
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MU gave it a shot with Rick (although he didn't play varsity)...and he might've stuck if it wasn't for the Bucks.
No.
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MU gave it a shot with Rick (although he didn't play varsity)...and he might've stuck if it wasn't for the Bucks. How long before we hire someone like Diener, Novak, etc?
Or Wardle, more likely. Doing really good work at Bradley and by the time MU makes it's next coaching hire, the UWGB kerfuffle will be mostly forgotten.
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This has me nervous: https://twitter.com/kingkmph/status/979587476263088128?s=21
A good research report on the Fresno program:
http://www.fresnobee.com/sports/college/mountain-west/fresno-state/bulldogs-basketball/article204718684.html
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Or Wardle, more likely. Doing really good work at Bradley and by the time MU makes it's next coaching hire, the UWGB kerfuffle will be mostly forgotten.
They hire Wardle(loved him as a player), and that's when I pull my support..nothing would say small time more than hiring someone like him.
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Or Wardle, more likely. Doing really good work at Bradley and by the time MU makes it's next coaching hire, the UWGB kerfuffle will be mostly forgotten.
Unless Wardle seriously steps up his game at Bradley that is a hard pass...I'd be more willing to ask Buzz back
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Unless Wardle seriously steps up his game at Bradley that is a hard pass...I'd be more willing to ask Buzz back
Wardle has done good work at Bradley so far. From 5 wins in year one to 20 in year 3.
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Wardle is doing well. He's never seen his Pomeroy ranking decline at either GB or Bradley and returns virtually everyone. I don't think he's there yet, but in 2-4 years he could be high major ready.
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Xavier assistant Travis Steele has been promoted to head coach and will take over for Chris Mack.
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Wear duz Porter go, hey?
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Wear duz Porter go, hey?
Gets a nice raise and stays put for another year.
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Wear duz Porter go, hey?
The only “notable” openings now are Rhode Island, LaSalle and Fresno State. Not much for a MidWestern guy.
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Seems to be picking up steam. Ol Roy at UNC, Huggie at WVU, Cronin at UC all have been there a while and are doing very well. Mulllin at SJU, Grant at UD, Dixon at TCU, Ewing at GT, Jordan at Butler are works in progress with varying degrees of success and promise. Mack at X succeeded then moved on. Ollie at UConn didn't make the cut. Now IMcKie...
MU gave it a shot with Rick (although he didn't play varsity)...and he might've stuck if it wasn't for the Bucks. How long before we hire someone like Diener, Novak, etc?
Or Wardle who now has at least 6 years HC rxperiencr, and has done well.
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They hire Wardle(loved him as a player), and that's when I pull my support..nothing would say small time more than hiring someone like him.
Small time would be pulling support for such a dumb reason.
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Or Wardle who now has at least 6 years HC rxperiencr, and has done well.
Its actually 8 years and he has done quite well in turning around moribund programs at Green Bay in the Horizon League and Bradley in the MVC.
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They hire Wardle(loved him as a player), and that's when I pull my support..nothing would say small time more than hiring someone like him.
Oh noes! ::)
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They hire Wardle(loved him as a player), and that's when I pull my support..nothing would say small time more than hiring someone like him.
I wonder if vuguru said this when Nova hired Jay Wright from Hofstra.
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They hire Wardle(loved him as a player), and that's when I pull my support..nothing would say small time more than hiring someone like him.
MU has hired guys from Siena, St. Peter and the University of New Orleans, but the guy from Bradley would be small time?
Huh.
When Wardle's name came up after Buzz left, I was deadset against it. But what he's done at Bradley shows he's got serious potential as a head coach. It may not be at MU, but I believe he'll be running a major program within five years.
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They hire Wardle(loved him as a player), and that's when I pull my support..nothing would say small time more than hiring someone like him.
That's all it will take?
#firewojo
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Wear duz Porter go, hey?
needs sister jean's approval first though, eyn'a
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They hire Wardle(loved him as a player), and that's when I pull my support..nothing would say small time more than hiring someone like him.
Imagine hiring a guy from a DII school who in his last two years went 7-21 and 6-18 to become MU's head coach.
Al McGuire fits the description. Think about it for a second. Nothing screams bigger small time hire than taking a DII coach with back to back very bad W-L records.
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not to digress, but speaking of a "coaching carousel" baylor paid it's ex-football coach, art briles $15 mil for serving about 2 years of a 10 year contract worth about $39 mil. how would you like to be the poor sac making the calls for the baylor green n gold fund enn'a? :o
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/22975930/baylor-bears-paid-former-football-coach-art-briles-151-million-ouster
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MU has hired guys from Siena, St. Peter and the University of New Orleans, but the guy from Bradley would be small time?
Huh.
When Wardle's name came up after Buzz left, I was deadset against it. But what he's done at Bradley shows he's got serious potential as a head coach. It may not be at MU, but I believe he'll be running a major program within five years.
It is always a good sign of coaching ability when they can achieve success at multiple schools. Wardle is only 38 and has a bright future.
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not to digress, but speaking of a "coaching carousel" baylor paid it's ex-football coach, art briles $15 mil for serving about 2 years of a 10 year contract worth about $39 mil. how would you like to be the poor sac making the calls for the baylor green n gold fund enn'a? :o
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/22975930/baylor-bears-paid-former-football-coach-art-briles-151-million-ouster
Pretty good deal. Sorta like No Dick and Charly Weiss. Thinthey finally stopped paying him about two years ago. For a while there he was getting paid by both No Dick and Kansas to not coach there. both at the same time.
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They hire Wardle(loved him as a player), and that's when I pull my support..nothing would say small time more than hiring someone like him.
It's not like it's Jon Harris. Wardle has some good success
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Haanif loses his coach. FGCU's Joe Dooley heading to East Carolina.
https://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/college/fgcu/2018/04/03/college-basketball-fgcu-mens-coach-joe-dooley-reportedly-takes-east-carolina-job/482743002/
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Haanif loses his coach. FGCU's Joe Dooley heading to East Carolina.
https://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/college/fgcu/2018/04/03/college-basketball-fgcu-mens-coach-joe-dooley-reportedly-takes-east-carolina-job/482743002/
Seems like this happens fairly often...
Traci transfers to LaSalle, Giannini out
Burton transfers to Iowa State, Hoiberg out (could even add Jameel McKay in there but he played as semester with Hoiberg)
Jamail Jones transfers to FGCU, Enfield out
Dawson transfers to Liberty, Dale Layer out
Fischer transfers to MU, Buzz out (played a semester for him too I guess)
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http://kmph.com/sports/local-sports/fresno-state-narrows-coaching-search
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https://mwwire.com/2018/04/05/sources-justin-hutson-to-be-named-fresno-state-head-coach/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Looks like we get to keep Stan for another season.
Love you Stan, want to see you get a shot at a head coaching job, but selfishly I'm glad you'll be with us this season
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https://mwwire.com/2018/04/05/sources-justin-hutson-to-be-named-fresno-state-head-coach/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Looks like we get to keep Stan for another season.
Love you Stan, want to see you get a shot at a head coaching job, but selfishly I'm glad you'll be with us this season
I'd love to get Nico Mannion on campus in 2020 before Stan leaves. Not sure we'll make it that long.
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https://mwwire.com/2018/04/05/sources-justin-hutson-to-be-named-fresno-state-head-coach/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Looks like we get to keep Stan for another season.
Love you Stan, want to see you get a shot at a head coaching job, but selfishly I'm glad you'll be with us this season
Ditto.
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Seton Hall loses top recruiter ... Shaheen Holloway takes St. Peter's job.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/04/10/shaheen-holloway-agrees-to-become-new-saint-peters-college-coach/
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Rumors of Rick Pitino to Sienna.
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Rumors of Rick Pitino to Sienna.
Sounds like he's interested, not sure it'll happen. How do you go from the controversy around Patsos to hiring Pitino?
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Sounds like he's interested, not sure it'll happen. How do you go from the controversy around Patsos to hiring Pitino?
They should definitely hire Beilein's son. That's the easiest call that AD will ever have to make. Then if Wojo leaves in 5 years to replace K he should be at the top of our list.
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Porter Moser's contract extended through the 2025-2026 season.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-loyola-porter-moser-contract-extension-haugh-20180425-story.html
No word yet on the status of Sister Jean's contract negotiations.
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She's dey ta dey, aina?