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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on February 17, 2018, 09:55:43 PM
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Epperson looks good. I’ll take Epperson
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We could’ve had him too. Stoped recruiting him
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I'd take Dickie Shaw over Froling.
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That is the point... we could’ve had Epperson if we wanted him. He’s much quicker than Froling
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That is the point... we could’ve had Epperson if we wanted him. He’s much quicker than Froling
I think Wojo and Co. thought Froling would be an outside threat, and thats what they likef about him. That didn't really work out, but that's the gamble of recruiting.
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Boy, notice how much Harry is playing at crunch time
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That is the point... we could’ve had Epperson if we wanted him. He’s much quicker than Froling
That makes me very sad.
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Creighton got Epperson and the other Froling (Sam)
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Epperson looks like Brienne of Tarth.
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Froling is a freshman. I remember when all of our bigs were long term projects.
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Epperson looks like Brienne of Tarth.
Very true.
Andrew Rowsey looks like Tyrion Lannister, so I would say we are even.
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Hair trigger reactions are not your friend.
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Froling is a freshman. I remember when all of our bigs were long term projects.
Why do people keep saying this? He's a sophomore in every way except for games played. This just doesn't make sense to me.
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He is the equivalent of a red shirt freshman. Still not 30 actual games of game experience. One year sitting. Simple math.
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Why do people keep saying this? He's a sophomore in every way except for games played. This just doesn't make sense to me.
Is there a more important factor than games played when discussing a player's experience?
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Why do people keep saying this? He's a sophomore in every way except for games played. This just doesn't make sense to me.
He is the equivalent of a red shirt freshman. Still not 30 actual games of game experience. One year sitting. Simple math.
Froling is in his second year. He is a Sophomore. Between games and practice over the two years he has had plenty of experience. His experience to date is roughly comparable to Matt Heldt last year. So, he is right now on the Heldt style trajectory. Harry should have a solid junior season next year the way Matt is having this season . I think we need to just embrace the good aspects of Harry's game and stop trying to make him into something he is not.
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I think Wojo and Co. thought Froling would be an outside threat, and thats what they likef about him. That didn't really work out,
Yet, FIFY
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Is there a more important factor than games played when discussing a player's experience?
His time spent playing college level basketball is not just limited to time on the floor during a game. He is 2 years removed from high school. He's spent 2 years in college weight rooms, practices, and film rooms. That is what makes the difference in ability, not game time. The idea that he's like a freshman because he had to sit out a year assumes that he hasn't been doing anything to improve his game while he wasn't eligible, and that's obviously not true. He's a sophomore, just one with limited game experience.
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His time spent playing college level basketball is not just limited to time on the floor during a game. He is 2 years removed from high school. He's spent 2 years in college weight rooms, practices, and film rooms. That is what makes the difference in ability, not game time. The idea that he's like a freshman because he had to sit out a year assumes that he hasn't been doing anything to improve his game while he wasn't eligible, and that's obviously not true. He's a sophomore, just one with limited game experience.
Jepperson is two years removed from high school as well. After finishing up his secondary schooling in Australia, he spent last year at La Lumiere, which for all intents is a basketball factory run very much like a college program.
Also, Froling is 19 years, 10 months old. Jepperson is 19 years, 9 months old. They were born a whopping one month apart. The gap between the two isn't nearly as wide as some of you want it to be.
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Jepperson is two years removed from high school as well. After finishing up his secondary schooling in Australia, he spent last year at La Lumiere, which for all intents is a basketball factory run very much like a college program.
Also, Froling is 19 years, 10 months old. Jepperson is 19 years, 9 months old. They were born a whopping one month apart. The gap between the two isn't nearly as wide as some of you want it to be.
Epperson is not the typical freshman then. He has a nice head start over the vast majority of guys in his class. Harry is still a sophomore with a sophomore's typical experience in every facet of the game outside of minutes spent on the court in games. That's a big caveat, but game minutes don't outweigh all the other time spent working on his game.
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Epperson was the beneficiary of the bad defense in the first half. Did little other than that.
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Epperson had just one field goal in the second half, and one rebound for the game.
In his four earlier conference games against Xavier, DePaul, Nova and Georgetown, he put up a grand total of 9 points (2.3 ppg) and 9 rebounds (2.3 rpg). Froling, by comparison, is averaging 3.1 ppg and 3.6 rpg so far this season.
It's true that we had no answer for Epperson in the first half. Kid has some talent and moves well to the open space. But he's not the missing piece we've been looking for.
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Epperson is not the typical freshman then. He has a nice head start over the vast majority of guys in his class. Harry is still a sophomore with a sophomore's typical experience in every facet of the game outside of minutes spent on the court in games. That's a big caveat, but game minutes don't outweigh all the other time spent working on his game.
Harry is not a Sophomore, with a typical sophomore's experience. At SMU he couldn't participate in any of the Summer drills/training due to an injury. During the season, he couldn't fully participate in any of the practices/training due to the injury.
When he transferred to MU, they shut him down immediately, and didn't let him play at all on it during the entire season. If he wants it, he probably will be awarded an injury RS; which would make him a RS Freshman right now. You just can't apply for that until the end of your eligibility.
Are you going to call Joey a Sophomore next year because he is sitting on the bench at MU with an injury?
Epperson, got more post grad experience playing at La Lumiere than Froling got sitting out with an injury.
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Epperson was 7-7 in 8 minutes. He scored off wide open pick and rolls.
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Harry is not a Sophomore, with a typical sophomore's experience. At SMU he couldn't participate in any of the Summer drills/training due to an injury. During the season, he couldn't fully participate in any of the practices/training due to the injury.
When he transferred to MU, they shut him down immediately, and didn't let him play at all on it during the entire season. If he wants it, he probably will be awarded an injury RS; which would make him a RS Freshman right now. You just can't apply for that until the end of your eligibility.
Are you going to call Joey a Sophomore next year because he is sitting on the bench at MU with an injury?
Epperson, got more post grad experience playing at La Lumiere than Froling got sitting out with an injury.
I'll be interested to see how the medical red shirt request goes. I've got to think the NCAA is going to think he needs to lose a year of eligibility because of the transfer, but hopefully he can get the red shirt.
The impacy of the injury definitely does set Harry back, but I still think hes got an advantage over pretty much all freshmen in the league. Joey will be a RS freshman next year, because he's referring this year after electing to graduate early. He'll be better off than all the true freshmen because of his head start this year, but he'll be a bit behind other RS freshmen. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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Froling IMO is not a Major D1 player.
1. He is not very skilled or talented.
2. Even worse be is historically soft.
IMO no way he plays over Ike next yr and ive never seen Ike play, yet the term hustle has been repeatedly used with Ike. I have yet to be inclined to combine Froling n hustle in the same thought.
Add Joey, morrow and Ike to next years roster and he is 13th man on the roster with a wide margin between 12 and 13.
His 6 minutes last night were a disaster. I think both parties would be better off with him moving to other pastures
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Next year , with the exact amount of practice time and games played, Ike will be considered a red shirt freshman. Harry is technically a sophomore. From an experience standpoint, he is the equivalent of a red shirt freshman.
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I won't get into the debate about how we should define a "typical" freshman or sophomore... :-\
The only things that really matter at this point are how much they're contributing now, and how much they will improve over time. Right now, Epperson (6.3 ppg in 11.2 mpg) is contributing more in fewer minutes than Froling (3.1 ppg in 14.3 mpg). And while we don't know what the future holds, they have three more years to work with Epperson, while we have only two to work with Froling.
I hope Harry surprises us with a breakout season next year. But if I'm betting on who ends up with the more productive college career, I'd have to put my money on Epperson. And I will be thrilled if Harry proves me wrong...
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Froling IMO is not a Major D1 player.
1. He is not very skilled or talented.
2. Even worse be is historically soft.
IMO no way he plays over Ike next yr and ive never seen Ike play, yet the term hustle has been repeatedly used with Ike. I have yet to be inclined to combine Froling n hustle in the same thought.
Add Joey, morrow and Ike to next years roster and he is 13th man on the roster with a wide margin between 12 and 13.
His 6 minutes last night were a disaster. I think both parties would be better off with him moving to other pastures
You might want to watch Ike play before making statements like “no way HF plays over Ike next year.”
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Froling IMO is not a Major D1 player.
1. He is not very skilled or talented.
2. Even worse be is historically soft.
I expected more from Harry this year. He hasn't been a big contributor to date and has been wildly inconsistent.
That said, he leads the team in both offensive rebounding percentage (10.1%) and defensive rebounding percentage (21.5%). Turnovers are a concern. But he's also fourth on the team in assist percentage (14.4%), ahead of Sacar and Greg. With his size and strength, and another summer to develop his game, he could play a significant role next season.
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"Kaminsky is a bust. Best he move on."
-- What some of our Scoopers would have said if they were F%ckyScoopers at pretty much any point during Kaminsky's first 2 years in F%ckyLand.
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I'll be interested to see how the medical red shirt request goes. I've got to think the NCAA is going to think he needs to lose a year of eligibility because of the transfer, but hopefully he can get the red shirt.
The impacy of the injury definitely does set Harry back, but I still think hes got an advantage over pretty much all freshmen in the league. Joey will be a RS freshman next year, because he's referring this year after electing to graduate early. He'll be better off than all the true freshmen because of his head start this year, but he'll be a bit behind other RS freshmen. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
What are the two of you talking about? Harry is not eligible for a Medical Hardship Waiver in either season.
This is his Soph season, following a mid year transfer. There is no more to it than that.
As for his contribution, we all hoped for more. Right now Matt and Theo are playing more because they are playing better. This does not mean Harry won't ever amount to anything at MU. It is not time to part ways or give up on him. He just needs to get better. I'll continue to pull for him.
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What are the two of you talking about? Harry is not eligible for a Medical Hardship Waiver in either season.
This is his Soph season, following a mid year transfer. There is no more to it than that.
As for his contribution, we all hoped for more. Right now Matt and Theo are playing more because they are playing better. This does not mean Harry won't ever amount to anything at MU. It is not time to part ways or give up on him. He just needs to get better. I'll continue to pull for him.
Unless there is a new rule I am unaware of, I don't see why he wouldn't qualify. He played in 10 games, less than 30% of the season. When he left SMU he was injured, and unable to participate in any activities at MU because of the injury.
Other players have transferred midseason, after playing in part of the season before being injured and received a hardship waiver.
Have rules changed since then? I know it has been granted as recently as 2012.
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He also scored 15 against Benji State. He's averaging 14.5 over his last two games!!
The bulk of Epperson's points against use came on exploiting a broken defense that other teams abused as well.
The quest for a 10/10 guy continues. (We may have one on the team now, but they haven't emerged yet)
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Epperson got abused on the boards, which is why he only played 5 minutes in the 2nd half despite providing an offensive spark. I believe MU had 5 offensive rebounds during Epperson's 5 minutes in the 2nd half. That being said, I'd take him over Froling.
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As for his contribution, we all hoped for more. Right now Matt and Theo are playing more because they are playing better. This does not mean Harry won't ever amount to anything at MU. It is not time to part ways or give up on him. He just needs to get better. I'll continue to pull for him.
Very reasonable, calm assessment.
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Very reasonable, calm assessment.
Agreed, Harry needs a whole summer to work into his new body. Harry seems to look confused out there and needs a confidence boast. I am sure his whole life
prior to college he was the man, at 2 programs now he is not the man. I am sure he is questioning his ability. I can see a big jump for him next year. He has worked
hard on his being, has potential. Lets hope he can take the same jump as Sacar, who really have come on lately.