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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Class71 on February 10, 2018, 09:18:16 PM
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1) So the question is can we get to the Dance?
2) Answer: Yes but forget X, V and B they are in.
3) What needs to be done.
a) Run the table or at least win 4 of 5. We end up 10-8 or 9-9 and end in
fourth to sixth place .
b) SH looses to X, SJ, V and B. They end up with 8-10. This assumes SH
beats P.
c) Providence looses to the same V, B, X and SJ. They end up 9-9. If they
loose to SH then P is 8-10 and SH is 9-9.
D) We beat Creighton twice and V and B beat C once each then C finishes
9-9. If we loose one to C they are 10-8 and in and we are on the edge.
I think it is very likely that SH and P will either finish 9-9 or 8-10. How C finishes depends us.
The key is can MU win 4-5 of the next games against SJ (1 game), D (1g), G (1g) and C(2g). That is the real issue. Whether we make it to the Dance is largely up to us.
So you say this is not going to happen? Sure that is easy to say but if MU pulls it off what a come back.
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"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
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"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
Gosh and I though it was the Croatians.
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If we run the table and 2 BET , we are in for sure. That will be a good body of work. Big East is recognized as one of the top conferences.
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Yes—I say this is not going to happen.
People on here said we would go 7-2 a few games back. Since that time we are 1-3. If you lose (or loose) to STJ, its all uphill from here.
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Gosh and I though it was the Croatians.
Ohhhh behave yourself ! ! ! not a good quote ! ! !
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If we run the table and 2 BET , we are in for sure. That will be a good body of work. Big East is recognized as one of the top conferences.
If we run the table we will already have done enough for the tournament and won't need to win any in the BET.
If we go 4-1 we might have done enough but would like to win the first game just to be safe.
If we go 3-2 we likely need to get to the BET championship....and even that may not be enough.
We are certainly still alive but based on what we've seen since the second half started I'm finding it difficult to believe that we can get it done. I think we end up finishing 3-2 and make the NIT.
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I'm an optimistic guy but our trend line appears to be
(http://geoffrobson.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/graph-arrow-down.jpg)
While we are catching our opponents who are going
(https://behindthewheel.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/bigstock-Red-arrow-graph-13404998.jpg)
SJU - en fuego and we get them twice when they're hot.
GT - playing a lot of close games and a big win today
DP - Providence beatdown today
C - playing tremendous (got hosed today) with an all world guard in Foster, and we get them twice
Let's see how Wojo does with our backs against the wall. I'm sure they're a pretty down bunch after today's loss. If he can get them to compete and not throw in the towel at the first hint of adversity next game that would give me hope for the rest of this year.
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While it looks like things are dire, the team has already faced some tough times and adversity *cough 4 game losing streak* and then they came into SHU and won when SHU also needed a win bad. Albeit they lose to SJU, but they had just knocked off 2 top 5 teams within 2 weeks. Hard to beat a team with that swagger, in their own gym. I have a feeling MU ends up 9-9 and wins a couple in the BET.
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If we run the table we will already have done enough for the tournament and won't need to win any in the BET.
If we go 4-1 we might have done enough but would like to win the first game just to be safe.
If we go 3-2 we likely need to get to the BET championship....and even that may not be enough.
We are certainly still alive but based on what we've seen since the second half started I'm finding it difficult to believe that we can get it done. I think we end up finishing 3-2 and make the NIT.
The first three paragraphs are correct, the last is probably a fair assessment. Can just end the thread there.
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1) So the question is can we get to the Dance?
2) Answer: Yes but forget X, V and B they are in.
3) What needs to be done.
a) Run the table or at least win 4 of 5. We end up 10-8 or 9-9 and end in
fourth to sixth place .
b) SH looses to X, SJ, V and B. They end up with 8-10. This assumes SH
beats P.
c) Providence looses to the same V, B, X and SJ. They end up 9-9. If they
loose to SH then P is 8-10 and SH is 9-9.
D) We beat Creighton twice and V and B beat C once each then C finishes
9-9. If we loose one to C they are 10-8 and in and we are on the edge.
I think it is very likely that SH and P will either finish 9-9 or 8-10. How C finishes depends us.
The key is can MU win 4-5 of the next games against SJ (1 game), D (1g), G (1g) and C(2g). That is the real issue. Whether we make it to the Dance is largely up to us.
So you say this is not going to happen? Sure that is easy to say but if MU pulls it off what a come back.
C'mon man. We are firmly ensconced in 7th place. Mediocrity. 5-0 is not happening, and even if it did, probably would not get us in, unless we won at least 2 more in BEAST tourney. But keep drinking the Wojo wine.
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Delusional. Offense consists of two undersized undisciplined point guards who think they can play like they are 6’4” and Hauser. Rest of team nonexistent. Defense is terrible. Knew we were in trouble early on when I heard a payday game coach say in the huddle these guys think their d*cks will fall off if they play defense. Other than not getting the point guards to play halfway smart, WOJO has gotten the most out of this team of meager talent and experience.
Worse thing that happened Howard was scoring 50+ vs Providence. Since then he thinks he can throw any shot up and it will sink
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I'm savin' myself four Kendall and my weddin' nite, hey?
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Gosh and I though it was the Croatians.
No, it was Monte Cassino, so much for history classes for engineers.
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1) So the question is can we get to the Dance?
2) Answer: Yes but forget X, V and B they are in.
3) What needs to be done.
a) Run the table or at least win 4 of 5. We end up 10-8 or 9-9 and end in
fourth to sixth place .
b) SH looses to X, SJ, V and B. They end up with 8-10. This assumes SH
beats P.
c) Providence looses to the same V, B, X and SJ. They end up 9-9. If they
loose to SH then P is 8-10 and SH is 9-9.
D) We beat Creighton twice and V and B beat C once each then C finishes
9-9. If we loose one to C they are 10-8 and in and we are on the edge.
I think it is very likely that SH and P will either finish 9-9 or 8-10. How C finishes depends us.
The key is can MU win 4-5 of the next games against SJ (1 game), D (1g), G (1g) and C(2g). That is the real issue. Whether we make it to the Dance is largely up to us.
So you say this is not going to happen? Sure that is easy to say but if MU pulls it off what a come back.
Agreed, and the BE tournament. How do we match up against Creighton? While a lot is in our hands, it is also in Creighton's hands.
We still have a dilemma, tall and slow or fast and short.
I would mix it up at every whistle.
Might as well try three tall, one short + 1. We know what does not work, 2 short and fast and one tall and slow DOES NOT WORK.
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Something has changed in this team since the Nova game..After that, it has all gone in the tank..It's like that was their Super Bowl, and they just kind of "punted" after that. That being said, as un optimistic as I am, let's remember, Providence was about in the same spot last year as MU is now, and PC ran of 6 straight to get in..barely, but they got in. The key will be the Creighton game next weekend.
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C'mon man. We are firmly ensconced in 7th place. Mediocrity. 5-0 is not happening, and even if it did, probably would not get us in, unless we won at least 2 more in BEAST tourney. But keep drinking the Wojo wine.
You think we need 5-0 and TWO games in BET??? You are out of your mind!
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Something has changed in this team since the Nova game..After that, it has all gone in the tank..It's like that was their Super Bowl, and they just kind of "punted" after that. That being said, as un optimistic as I am, let's remember, Providence was about in the same spot last year as MU is now, and PC ran of 6 straight to get in..barely, but they got in. The key will be the Creighton game next weekend.
Not just Providence last season but us too! We had to win our last four in order to get a 10 seed. 3-1 would have put us in Dayton or possibly out. Similar to where we are now. Got it done last season, I'm hoping we can this season.
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Not just Providence last season but us too! We had to win our last four in order to get a 10 seed. 3-1 would have put us in Dayton or possibly out. Similar to where we are now. Got it done last season, I'm hoping we can this season.
While I hope you are correct, I have seen nothing that makes me believe we can go on a long run of victories even against the lower tier, because WE are the lower tier.
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4-1 will be enough. I think 9-9 should get us the 6 seed which would avoid playing either SJU at the Garden or DePaul in a possible bad loss in the first round of BET.
I think you have to win @Creighton on Saturday. Theoretically not a must win, but it’s the toughest on the schedule and this teams needs some good fortune.
Not as excuse, but this team was very ill this week. Sam, Markus and Sacar all under the weather, and obviously Theo too. It certainly showed yesterday - but Man, Ponds is good.
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I'm
Hopeful! And will be bummed if we miss the NCAA's. We should make it, no excuse really.
Having said that, most everyone here predicted a bit of a step back this year.
A bit of a step back from a 10 seed last year is either first four in or NIT.
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4-1 will be enough. I think 9-9 should get us the 6 seed which would avoid playing either SJU at the Garden or DePaul in a possible bad loss in the first round of BET.
I think you have to win @Creighton on Saturday. Theoretically not a must win, but it’s the toughest on the schedule and this teams needs some good fortune.
Not as excuse, but this team was very ill this week. Sam, Markus and Sacar all under the weather, and obviously Theo too. It certainly showed yesterday - but Man, Ponds is good.
Healthy or not, Ponds killed it. Even if healthy our guards are not good enough and rotations are not good enough, would MU have stopped him. Hauser on him
was ridiculous. But Mullins also isolated Simon on Rowsey, could not stop him. Bottom line, the coaches needed to recruit a 6'3" or better guard to play D. Might
have some issues next year unless someone falls in ther lap. Elliott is just to skinny.
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You think we need 5-0 and TWO games in BET??? You are out of your mind!
Some people don't pay attention to anything outside of our team and don't understand the context of the resumes around the country.
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Not just Providence last season but us too! We had to win our last four in order to get a 10 seed. 3-1 would have put us in Dayton or possibly out. Similar to where we are now. Got it done last season, I'm hoping we can this season.
We didn't win our last 4, but we did win 4 of our last 5. Loss @ PC was mixed in there
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Something has changed in this team since the Nova game..After that, it has all gone in the tank..It's like that was their Super Bowl, and they just kind of "punted" after that. That being said, as un optimistic as I am, let's remember, Providence was about in the same spot last year as MU is now, and PC ran of 6 straight to get in..barely, but they got in. The key will be the Creighton game next weekend.
Sorry. I am not. We won't go 5-0, so when that doesn't happen, we won't know, unless we actually get in. 19-11 likely will not get us in, given the losses. Let's wait and see before the name calling starts.
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Sorry. I am not. We won't go 5-0, so when that doesn't happen, we won't know, unless we actually get in. 19-11 likely will not get us in, given the losses. Let's wait and see before the name calling starts.
You're trolling at this point. 5-0 gets us in. By every possible measure possible, 5-0 gets us in. Can we do that? Doubtful. But it gets us in 100% of the time.
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Don't even hear
The murmur of a prayer
It's not dark yet
But it's gettin' there
Bob Dylan
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You're trolling at this point. 5-0 gets us in. By every possible measure possible, 5-0 gets us in. Can we do that? Doubtful. But it gets us in 100% of the time.
Really? 5-0 "by every possible measure gets us in". What a soothsayer you are! Did not know that you were the head of the selection committee. Marquette this year does not even have a signature win. That certainly will be looked at. And I said it may not get us in. But keep drinking the Wojo wine, and trolling.
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Really? 5-0 "by every possible measure gets us in". What a soothsayer you are! Did not know that you were the head of the selection committee. Marquette this year does not even have a signature win. That certainly will be looked at. And I said it may not get us in. But keep drinking the Wojo wine, and trolling.
Lol
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We didn't win our last 4, but we did win 4 of our last 5. Loss @ PC was mixed in there
Thanks for the correction. But that makes it even better! Winning 4 of our last 5 is exactly what we have to do!
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Really? 5-0 "by every possible measure gets us in". What a soothsayer you are! Did not know that you were the head of the selection committee. Marquette this year does not even have a signature win. That certainly will be looked at. And I said it may not get us in. But keep drinking the Wojo wine, and trolling.
Willie,
If we finish 5-0 our RPI is estimated to be 49 with an SOS of 27. If you can find me a team that was left out of the tournament with that RPI or higher/SOS or higher since the tournament expanded to 68 teams then I will declare you right. Hell, find a team with that resume or better that has been left out since the field expanded to 64 and I will believe you.
I'll hang up and listen.
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Willie,
If we finish 5-0 our RPI is estimated to be 49 with an SOS of 27. If you can find me a team that was left out of the tournament with that RPI or higher/SOS or higher since the tournament expanded to 68 teams then I will declare you right. Hell, find a team with that resume or better that has been left out since the field expanded to 64 and I will believe you.
I'll hang up and listen.
Moreso, look at the teams on the bubble THIS YEAR and tell me how that team could be left out. The resumes around the bubble are absolutely terrible and 5-0 would make us an absolute stone cold 1000% lock, with the only possible reason for exclusion being MU going on probation between now and Selection Sunday.
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If we run the table we will already have done enough for the tournament and won't need to win any in the BET.
If we go 4-1 we might have done enough but would like to win the first game just to be safe.
If we go 3-2 we likely need to get to the BET championship....and even that may not be enough.
We are certainly still alive but based on what we've seen since the second half started I'm finding it difficult to believe that we can get it done. I think we end up finishing 3-2 and make the NIT.
While what you say is true and I hope it happens.....
We have lost 6 out of the last 6 - to expect us to run the table seems like a real reach. Yes, I realize the schedule is easier, but Creighton is still a better team than us
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While what you say is true and I hope it happens.....
We have lost 6 out of the last 6 - to expect us to run the table seems like a real reach. Yes, I realize the schedule is easier, but Creighton is still a better team than us
I musta dreamed the win at Seton Hall.
But I agree, which is why I said I think it ends up being 3-2
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While what you say is true and I hope it happens.....
We have lost 6 out of the last 6 - to expect us to run the table seems like a real reach. Yes, I realize the schedule is easier, but Creighton is still a better team than us
We’ve lost 6 in a row? Might want to check the W/L column again?
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We’ve lost 6 in a row? Might want to check the W/L column again?
I'm guessing you know I just hit the wrong key, but couldn't help[ yourself :(
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Gosh and I though it was the Croatians.
Hey know your history!
GERMANS!
https://youtu.be/V8lT1o0sDwI
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I see some overthink here.
First, "whether or not we will play well enough to make it in" or "do we deserve it" are a matter of opinion...but it is possible.
run the table 5-0...10-8 we're in regardless of BET.
4-1...9-9...with 1 win in BET certainly a plausible outcome.
L: Creighton away - would figure...Creighton great at home.
W: STJ at home - very possible. Sure they could win...but I think MU favored.
W,W: Depaul, GT away - we should be favored. Sure either could beat us.
W: Creighton at home - Creighton may be favored but at home with a lot on the line. Very plausible we win.
W: Now we go into the BET playing the first day (being in the bottom 4...probable against Depaul...we would be favored
L: BET day two against Xavier or Nova...expect a loss.
so 9-9 BE, 19-13 overall. Lots of Q1 games and a decent number of wins. No bad losses. Winning down the stretch....yada, yada.
We have a good chance.
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Not gonna speculate about the possible Ws and Ls, that's been done enough, but would love to see a huge turnout for the Creighton game even with only one senior. Last game ever at the BMO (assuming we would play any potential NIT games at the Al) the place should be rockin'
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I actually think if we finish 9-9, we'd have a good shot at the 6 seed. We actually have a decent shot at the 6 seed at 8-10.
PC is projected to finish 1-5 (8-10), and have a pretty brutal stretch to finish.
vs. Villanova (L 80%)
@ Butler (L 82%)
vs. Seton Hall (L 51%)
@ Georgetown (L 54%)
vs. Xavier (L 84%)
vs. St. Johns (W 65%
Seton Hall is 6-6, and has @X, vs. Depaul, @PC, @SJU, vs. Nova, and vs. Butler. They could easily finish 8-10 or 9-9, and we'd own the tie breaker.
6 seed would be nice because it avoids us either having to play SJU at the Garden, or Depaul (would be my guess for ultimate 10 seed) and a W there doesn't move the needle for us at all, and would tick down SOS a bit.
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I actually think if we finish 9-9, we'd have a good shot at the 6 seed. We actually have a decent shot at the 6 seed at 8-10.
PC is projected to finish 1-5 (8-10), and have a pretty brutal stretch to finish.
vs. Villanova (L 80%)
@ Butler (L 82%)
vs. Seton Hall (L 51%)
@ Georgetown (L 54%)
vs. Xavier (L 84%)
vs. St. Johns (W 65%
Seton Hall is 6-6, and has @X, vs. Depaul, @PC, @SJU, vs. Nova, and vs. Butler. They could easily finish 8-10 or 9-9, and we'd own the tie breaker.
6 seed would be nice because it avoids us either having to play SJU at the Garden, or Depaul (would be my guess for ultimate 10 seed) and a W there doesn't move the needle for us at all, and would tick down SOS a bit.
We also would hold a 3 way tiebreaker over these 2 teams. So if all 3 teams do end up at 9-9, we'd be the 5 seed.
Obviously 10-8 would be great. But 9-9 and the 6 seed would be a pretty good deal. Like you said we'd avoid the first day against SJU or DePaul. We'd also get Creighton or Butler in the first round with a solid chance to pick up a good win before playing X or Nova while neither would be seen as a bad loss.
FWIW, Kenpom has MU finishing 8-10, SHU finishing 9-9 and PC finishing 9-9. Tying one of these teams is not out of the question. We would lose a tiebreaker with ONLY PC due to their win over X.
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I'm guessing you know I just hit the wrong key, but couldn't help[ yourself :(
We’ve lost enough recently, we don’t need anymore that we actually didn’t lose!
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I actually think if we finish 9-9, we'd have a good shot at the 6 seed. We actually have a decent shot at the 6 seed at 8-10.
PC is projected to finish 1-5 (8-10), and have a pretty brutal stretch to finish.
vs. Villanova (L 80%)
@ Butler (L 82%)
vs. Seton Hall (L 51%)
@ Georgetown (L 54%)
vs. Xavier (L 84%)
vs. St. Johns (W 65%
Seton Hall is 6-6, and has @X, vs. Depaul, @PC, @SJU, vs. Nova, and vs. Butler. They could easily finish 8-10 or 9-9, and we'd own the tie breaker.
6 seed would be nice because it avoids us either having to play SJU at the Garden, or Depaul (would be my guess for ultimate 10 seed) and a W there doesn't move the needle for us at all, and would tick down SOS a bit.
J5, don't you know Marquette basketball plays in a vacuum? It doesn't matter what other teams do! Marquette is only tournament worthy if we say they are tournament worthy dammit!
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J5 and TAMU,
Your calculations might very well be true and MU does have a path into the tourney. I think many of us on here just feel their play does not justify a bid. I do not doubt there is a way in, but not sure that is a good thing for the overall landscape of college ball.
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J5 and TAMU,
Your calculations might very well be true and MU does have a path into the tourney. I think many of us on here just feel their play does not justify a bid. I do not doubt there is a way in, but not sure that is a good thing for the overall landscape of college ball.
Us making the tournament wouldn't be a bad thing for the landscape of college ball it would rather be a result of college ball's current landscape.
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J5 and TAMU,
Your calculations might very well be true and MU does have a path into the tourney. I think many of us on here just feel their play does not justify a bid. I do not doubt there is a way in, but not sure that is a good thing for the overall landscape of college ball.
Sure - you're welcome to feel like MU doesn't have what it takes to go 4-1 down the stretch or 3-2 plus a few in the BET. I get it. That's fine. I am not sure they do either, honestly, but I am going to root/hope like hell that they do, because that is what fandom is all about.
The numbers are the numbers, and there is still a pretty clear path to the tournament. Whether or not they do what is necessary to get there remains to be seen and can be debated until everyone is blue in the face.
As for the landscape of college hoops - ehhhh. Its like this every year. The last 8-10 teams into the dance are going to very flawed. There is a ton of parity in high major college hoops. There are only a handful of really good teams, and even those teams can lose on any given night if they don't bring their A game. The reality is, the difference between a 5 seed and an 11 seed can easily come comes down to a handful of possession in an entire season. The line is rather thin.
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Boxer
I included the current landscape of college ball in my comment. MU is not tourney worthy this year, regardless of how bad the overall college product is. IMO, they have not earned the right to play on this season, in any post season tournament.
J5
Huh? Where did I say they cannot go 4-1 or 3-2? As I said yesterday, they could run the table over next two week. Regardless, IMO they have not proven to be a NCAA caliber team to this point. Of course flawed teams get in every year and that is life. I think MU is an average to below average team at the moment, not flawed, just not very good.
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J5 and TAMU,
Your calculations might very well be true and MU does have a path into the tourney. I think many of us on here just feel their play does not justify a bid. I do not doubt there is a way in, but not sure that is a good thing for the overall landscape of college ball.
Many thought MU didn't deserve a bid on Al's last year. If we get in is because we deserve it no one is going to do us a favor. NCAA or NIT for this team would be great to get Theo, Elliott and Cain post season experience.
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News
Comparing to the '77 team? Please try and make points that match the times, apples and oranges. In addition, while I think they have ZERO business in the NCAA this year, would love to see the young guys get their feet in tourney.
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Boxer
I included the current landscape of college ball in my comment. MU is not tourney worthy this year, regardless of how bad the overall college product is. IMO, they have not earned the right to play on this season, in any post season tournament.
J5
Huh? Where did I say they cannot go 4-1 or 3-2? As I said yesterday, they could run the table over next two week. Regardless, IMO they have not proven to be a NCAA caliber team to this point. Of course flawed teams get in every year and that is life. I think MU is an average to below average team at the moment, not flawed, just not very good.
So what do you suggest then? A team with a lesser resume go? Leave an empty slot because the landscape of college basketball isn't a bunch of 20 win teams?
Currently I agree with you, though if we finish 9-9 we have at least another big win against Creighton then and finished hot, the numbers say that we belong there and I'm not going to huff and say we shouldn't go because it's not up to MU standards of play.
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News
Comparing to the '77 team? Please try and make points that match the times, apples and oranges. In addition, while I think they have ZERO business in the NCAA this year, would love to see the young guys get their feet in tourney.
Same to you brother Goose. Marquette this season looks very much like a back of the tournament team. What it takes to make the tournament today is very different than even 5-10 years ago. If Marquette's named is called on selection Sunday than they earned the bid regardless of what any of us think of their worthiness. They absolutely have business being in the tournament conversation right now. The next 5 games will determine whether or not they have business actually being there.
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Same to you brother Goose. Marquette this season looks very much like a back of the tournament team. What it takes to make the tournament today is very different than even 5-10 years ago. If Marquette's named is called on selection Sunday than they earned the bid regardless of what any of us think of their worthiness. They absolutely have business being in the tournament conversation right now. The next 5 games will determine whether or not they have business actually being there.
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Yep. This is really all there is to it.
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Boxer
Of course you go to NCAA if they get invite. My comments are strictly based off my opinion. To date, they have not shown me they are tourney worthy team. Still ball to be played and they might prove to be worthy. As I said two weeks ago, I hope they start learning how to win this year and build for the future. Late season success this season will make success next season easier. Winning is a habit and I hope they start winning.
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TAMU
Simple question, if the season ended today, are they NCAA worthy to you? I agree time to right the ship and play their way in to the tourney. I am skeptical of what they have shown over last 4-5 games to provide optimism they earn the bid.
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Boxer
Of course you go to NCAA if they get invite. My comments are strictly based off my opinion. To date, they have not shown me they are tourney worthy team. Still ball to be played and they might prove to be worthy. As I said two weeks ago, I hope they start learning how to win this year and build for the future. Late season success this season will make success next season easier. Winning is a habit and I hope they start winning.
As of right now, they're not in the tournament. If they had played Georgetown 2x and Depaul 2x instead of Xavier 2x and Nova 2x, we'd probably be 7-6, not 5-8, and projected in the tournament. But we'd have to play X and Nova again.
We have a favorable schedule to finish the season. Win the games your supposed to win, and the rest will take care of itself.
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J5
I am with you, for the most part. My concern is based off they are 1-3 thus far in their "easy" part of BE schedule. This does not give me a great deal of confidence in picking outcome of the upcoming games. In addition, in SH made some free throws we likely would be 0-4 in the "easy" part of the schedule.
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What in the world does "worthiness" have to do with anything? And how should it influence the tournament?
It's all math. Period.
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jesmu
Their CURRENT record does not earn a NCAA bid, IMO. If they play in similar fashion the next weeks, the win-loss record will not deserve a NCAA bid. I hope that explains my use of "worthy". Right now, they are way outside looking in. Things can change and I hope they do for the future of the program.
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J5
I am with you, for the most part. My concern is based off they are 1-3 thus far in their "easy" part of BE schedule. This does not give me a great deal of confidence in picking outcome of the upcoming games. In addition, in SH made some free throws we likely would be 0-4 in the "easy" part of the schedule.
Not splitting the Butler/Providence home games hurts. But the v. Butler, v. PC, @SHU, @SJU and @ Creighton stretch isn't exactly "easy". SJU, @ Depaul, @ Georgetown and vs. Creighton is much easier.
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J5
I read on here regarding the schedule getting easier after 'Nova game and heard countless times on TV how the schedule became easier. When you have three wins against teams with winning records in your own conference, I am hard pressed to call any game easy. Simply was using words from the optimists on here and guys on the broadcast.
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J5
I read on here regarding the schedule getting easier after 'Nova game and heard countless times on TV how the schedule became easier. When you have three wins against teams with winning records in your own conference, I am hard pressed to call any game easy. Simply was using words from the optimists on here and guys on the broadcast.
Well yes, home games against Butler and Providence are "easier" than playing Nova and @X......
Look, we've still only played 3/6 games against the bottom 3 teams in the conference. We've played 6/6 games against the top 3 teams. The opportunity is still there.
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News
Comparing to the '77 team? Please try and make points that match the times, apples and oranges. In addition, while I think they have ZERO business in the NCAA this year, would love to see the young guys get their feet in tourney.
Not comparing teams just saying that the team was in at the very end and many thought was not going to get in the tournament. At that time it ended up being NCAA champion with most loses by a team.
From The Sports Notebook.com:
Marquette wasn’t playing well in midseason and lost three straight to fall to 16-6. In the days where only 32 teams made the NCAA Tournament this was a true crisis. An at-large bid was in serious doubt, especially given that McGuire’s brash style had often led him into conflict with the NCAA. The coach didn’t believe he would ever get the benefit of the doubt. With his retirement after the season already announced, McGuire expected to finish his career in the NIT.
The coach’s team righted the ship, even playing their final five games on the road. They won the first four and were playing third-ranked Michigan on the final day of the season. In a sign of how much the selection process for the NCAA Tournament has changed, the Warriors found out midway through the game that they were on their way. Their one-point loss to the Wolverines didn’t matter, and America didn’t get to wait until 6:30 PM ET on a Sunday evening to have the cameras hone in on a room where Lee, Ellis and McGuire were all watching to determine their fate. Yes, March Madness has changed.
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If we win out, we will probably be the 4 seed, tied with Seton Hall at 10-8.
Win out, play the Hall in the BET, probably lose. 59% chance to get into the tournament as an 11 seed.
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J5
Agreed, 100%. The opportunity is there for the taking. Quick questions, if they do it, did they overachieve this year? If they fail, did they underachieve this year? IMO, if they make the NCAA, it is a minor miracle pulled off by Wojo and the boys. At the start of the season I predicted sub .500 in BE play. Hope they prove me wrong.
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News
'77 team was preseason #1. They were hardly major underdogs in the NCAA.
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If we win out, we will probably be the 4 seed, tied with Seton Hall at 10-8.
Win out, play the Hall in the BET, probably lose. 59% chance to get into the tournament as an 11 seed.
If they win out, they are 100% in. And probably like an 7 or 8 seed.
J5
Agreed, 100%. The opportunity is there for the taking. Quick questions, if they do it, did they overachieve this year? If they fail, did they underachieve this year? IMO, if they make the NCAA, it is a minor miracle pulled off by Wojo and the boys. At the start of the season I predicted sub .500 in BE play. Hope they prove me wrong.
I don't know - I don't really see the need to get all wrapped up in overachieved/underachieved. Preseason I expected this team to be a bubble team. At times during the season, I thought they could be better. If they make the tournament, I will be pleased, but expect better next season. If they miss the tournament, I will be very disappointed, and expect much better next season.
But at the end of the day this team is about what I expected it to be.
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Y y'all sew hard on Brother Goose? He's statin' facts. Dis team, four a plethora of reasons, is knot playin' Tournament worthy ball. Its just dat plane and simple. Furthermore, Tourney teams start ta peek 'round now as dey build der resume. Honestly dudes, I cee 'em going south rather dan north, hey?
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jesmu
Their CURRENT record does not earn a NCAA bid, IMO. If they play in similar fashion the next weeks, the win-loss record will not deserve a NCAA bid. I hope that explains my use of "worthy". Right now, they are way outside looking in. Things can change and I hope they do for the future of the program.
Well, yes, their CURRENT record doesn't earn a bid. No one here has said it does. But you said this:
J5 and TAMU,
Your calculations might very well be true and MU does have a path into the tourney. I think many of us on here just feel their play does not justify a bid. I do not doubt there is a way in, but not sure that is a good thing for the overall landscape of college ball.
That, to me, indicates you feel the team shouldn't be in this year, regardless of end-of-season record
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News
'77 team was preseason #1. They were hardly major underdogs in the NCAA.
Not too mention only 24 teams got in. It was a much more difficult environment then to get in and we were an independent to boot.
I agree with you regarding this years team. I would be shocked if we close out 4-1.
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Ironically, the fact that Wojo s*it the bed over this stretch means that if he DOES make it to the NCAA that would be a major achievement from this point (whereas had we followed the "path" we all thought this team might, we would have thought he was doing an average job).
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This team is only .......mostly dead..... With all dead, well there's only one thing to do. Go through Gard's pockets and look for loose change. Mostly dead means slightly alive.
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TAMU
Simple question, if the season ended today, are they NCAA worthy to you? I agree time to right the ship and play their way in to the tourney. I am skeptical of what they have shown over last 4-5 games to provide optimism they earn the bid.
Forgive me Goose, I was reading your comments as "even if we sneak into the tournament, we don't deserve to be there because we aren't good enough" which I thoroughly disagree with. If all you mean is that if the season ended today we would be out than yes I agree. I think we have played well enough to be in the conversation. Next 5 will determine if we play well enough to actually make it.
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TAMU
I have been saying for two weeks they can earn their way in. Quite simple, win their games. They have done as I expected, but hope they right the ship. If everyone is right about next year, the winning attitude has to start now. I am big believer of building at winning attitude and building off of that. To date, I have not seen evidence they know how to win.
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79 Warrior
32 teams got in back in the day.
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79 Warrior
32 teams got in back in the day.
Correct. It expanded to 32 in 1975.
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TAMU
I have been saying for two weeks they can earn their way in. Quite simple, win their games. They have done as I expected, but hope they right the ship. If everyone is right about next year, the winning attitude has to start now. I am big believer of building at winning attitude and building off of that. To date, I have not seen evidence they know how to win.
No evidence they know how to win? I'm pretty sure they have won 14 games. It's certainly not overwhelming evidence but doing things like winning at Seton Hall down a man with several players having the flu shows a winning attitude to me.
There's definitely evidence to the contrary as well but I think saying "there's no evidence they know how to win" and questioning if they have a winning attitude seems like an unnecessary slight on the players. Other than the Butler game and the game at Xavier, there has never been a moment where I questioned the team's will to punch back. Every time other teams have made a run, Marquette has found a way to answer. It's not always enough to win (Xavier at home, Nova at home, etc), but they are always fighting. I don't see an attitude problem, I see a "we're not as good as the other guy this year" problem.
Fortunately, our guys are going to come back next season a year wiser and stronger while most of the rest of the Big East is going to come back younger and weaker. As Saint Al said, "the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores." Combine that with new talent in Morrow, Bailey, Joey, and Eke and I like the look of next season.
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TAMU
I have said many times it is time for the program to move on from Al. Every time there is a time out on the Al McGuire court, I want to throw my phone on the Al McGuire court. Note— I love Al, but time to move on was about 15 years ago. If I see Bo on the court again I might boo. Note— I love Bo.
Every comment I make is based off the present. Any Al reference is simply that, a reference. My barometer is winning programs in today’s game. Programs that have improved and sustained success over past decade. I say it often, X is the current bar I would like to see program achieve.
As for Saint Al’s comment on freshmen, that decades ago. Freshmen need to compete in today’s game. Our freshmen have hardly stood out thus far. A couple of nice games, but barely role players on a team with 14 wins.
If you believe that this team has a winning culture, good for you. Wojo always says play with urgency in the time outs and I am still waiting for the to play like their backs are against the wall.
Like Buzz or hate Buzz, but his teams played with urgency. So, aside from X, I guess I use Saint Buzz at what the program can achieve.
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If they go 4-1 the rest of the way and end up in Dayton, they've earned the bid. You don't earn the bid based on any criteria beyond how your resume stacks up against the rest of the country. If it is determined that you have one of the best 36 resumes of teams to not win their conference tournament, you have earned the bid, period.
At the end of the day, wins against Seton Hall, Providence, Vermont, LSU, and Creighton (we need at least one to have a real shot) would be valuable and better than what some of the other teams on the cut line have.
The biggest worry for MU fans is looking at the top-16 that was released. Marquette's strongest endorsement may be the lack of bad losses. Georgia is our worst and only Quadrant 2 loss. Typically minimizing bad losses was a positive, but it doesn't look like the committee is looking at losses as much as simply games you've won. Time (and obviously results) will tell but the decision to weight good wins over awful losses may put us in a tough spot if those last bids come down to us and teams like Washington and NC State.
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TAMU
I have said many times it is time for the program to move on from Al. Every time there is a time out on the Al McGuire court, I want to throw my phone on the Al McGuire court. Note— I love Al, but time to move on was about 15 years ago. If I see Bo on the court again I might boo. Note— I love Bo.
Every comment I make is based off the present. Any Al reference is simply that, a reference. My barometer is winning programs in today’s game. Programs that have improved and sustained success over past decade. I say it often, X is the current bar I would like to see program achieve.
As for Saint Al’s comment on freshmen, that decades ago. Freshmen need to compete in today’s game. Our freshmen have hardly stood out thus far. A couple of nice games, but barely role players on a team with 14 wins.
If you believe that this team has a winning culture, good for you. Wojo always says play with urgency in the time outs and I am still waiting for the to play like their backs are against the wall.
Like Buzz or hate Buzz, but his teams played with urgency. So, aside from X, I guess I use Saint Buzz at what the program can achieve.
What exactly did you expect this season? This team is flawed. We always knew that. Our defense is terrible because we're forced to play to sub 6 foot guards a lot. Our best two players are sophomores, and one is 18! Our three freshman are in the 8 man rotation. Our three-headed center monster is.....interesting, but intriguing. Our only upperclassman of note can be our best player or our worst, and unfortunately for whatever reason, hasn't found an ability to be on when that 18 year old is hot. We've been unlucky at times. We've lost games we could have won. We've run teams off the court with our shooting, and we've seen 2nd halves where it felt like we made 5 legitimate stops the entire half.
I think anyone here who has been a fan since before Wojo dearly misses what the program was before that. But that time is past, and we are where we are. All things considered, the future looks bright. The NCAAS this season were always going to be gravy, and we still have a decent shot to get there. Its basically the same exact situation as last year when we answered the same questions and read the same posts.
Next season and beyond is when the clock starts. For now, let's just enjoy what we have in front of us the rest of the season, and hopefully the Amigos get hot and find a way into the big dance. This sure isn't a team some 5 or 6 seed is going to want to see, especially one that doesn't know us as well as other BE squads.
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J5
I got what I expected this year. My only frustration is guys on here waiting for the tooth fairy to give them a bid. They are not very good and not shocked by that.
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Wait, saying win every day doesn't make us have a winning culture? ;D
Couldn't agree with you more about moving on from Al. Something that I've believed since before I was a student at Marquette. But just because it's past time for us to move on from Al doesn't mean there aren't things that can be learned from him and that era.
Al's comments were decades ago but they still hold true today IMHO. If they didn't, the top of the standings wouldn't be dominated by teams led by seniors and juniors.
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J5
I got what I expected this year. My only frustration is guys on here waiting for the tooth fairy to give them a bid. They are not very good and not shocked by that.
Not sure who exactly you're referring to with regard to the bolded, but I don't think informing interested parties and discussing it with others that enjoy the topic is worth getting frustrated about. Just ignore the conversation if you're so convinced this isn't a tourney team that the mere discussion of what it would take to get there frustrates you.
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J5
My frustration stems from my belief of many on here having rose colored glasses on in regards to the program. I have said good win, as recently as last week, and want to say it more often. The pro Wojo guys do not have one negative belief on the program. I do not think that is healthy.
I want to add, as a positive for this year’s team, they have three more wins than I expected them to have at this point. That is a positive.
My point in the tooth fairy is simple, how about they get really good and only worry about where they are playing and not hoping for a miracle?
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J5
I got what I expected this year. My only frustration is guys on here waiting for the tooth fairy to give them a bid. They are not very good and not shocked by that.
Who is expecting that?
The team that demolished Seton Hall at home, took X/Nova to the wire, and won at Providence is an NCAA tournament team....not only that but probably one with a high seed.
The team that got embarrassed by Butler, nearly shat itself against Eastern Illinois, and destroyed by Xavier on the road is not even worthy of an NIT bid...or any postseason bid.
Marquette is both of these teams. Most nights, they are somewhere between those two teams. Marquette has the capacity to play like an NCAA tournament team the rest of the way and if they do they will earn a bid. The opposite could also happen. That's why we watch the games. Those of us who are hopeful that Marquette will play closer to its ceiling than its floor are not waiting for the tooth fairy. We are discussing what it will take for us to win.
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J5
Better talent and better coaching will achieve the goal. Talent is not there, thus coaching has to be perfect. IMO the freshmen are decent players, but far from studs at this point. They need better players to reach the next level.
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J5
My frustration stems from my belief of many on here having rose colored glasses on in regards to the program. I have said good win, as recently as last week, and want to say it more often. The pro Wojo guys do not have one negative belief on the program. I do not think that is healthy.
I want to add, as a positive for this year’s team, they have three more wins than I expected them to have at this point. That is a positive.
My point in the tooth fairy is simple, how about they get really good and only worry about where they are playing and not hoping for a miracle?
I have plenty of negative beliefs about the program, especially in regards to this season. In fact, the negative ones outweigh the positive ones for this year. The defense is an embarrassment, we seem to lead D1 in midseason transfers, it took until the Providence game for our guards to figure out how to properly defend a pick and roll, lack of a PG is becoming a more and more apparent problem. Don't make the mistake of confusing "not dwelling on the negative" with "not seeing the negative."
And yes, next season, I have more positive beliefs than negative ones. This rebuild has always been about year 5 and that is why I (and I believe others) have been patient. That will change very quickly if it doesn't happen.
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TAMU
My point is the state of the program as a whole. I could not care less a bout an individual season being down. IMO, light years away from being at X level. I repeat, my comments are based off overall state of program and not this season.
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Going back to the original subject line: It IS over.
There was never really a chance to begin with.
Anyone who still thinks there is a chance is lying to him/herself.
It's O-V-E-R.
We'll never get Goose to use the quote feature.
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Georgetown just won at Butler for their second straight win tying MU in the win column.
St John's has two straight wins and plays DePaul next, which means after tomorrow's game either St. John's will have won three straight games or DePaul will have won two straight games.
Marquette may not even finish as high as 7th in Big East.
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Georgetown just won at Butler for their second straight win tying MU in the win column.
St John's has two straight wins and plays DePaul next, which means after tomorrow's game either St. John's will have won three straight games or DePaul will have won two straight games.
Marquette may not even finish as high as 7th in Big East.
Maybe. Definitely possible. Or we could finish 9-9 and legitimately be in a tie for 4th with Butler/Providence/SHU all slumping.
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Nice discourse here. I've been in agreement with TAMU pretty much all season long.
It's undisputed that Theo was flu stricken and unable to play the last couple of days. And it's been represented that Markus has also been under the weather and it may have affected his game. Are there any other players who it appears may also have been afflicted, negatively impacting the team's fortunes? I'm also unsure if other teams have been impacted.
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News
'77 team was preseason #1. They were hardly major underdogs in the NCAA.
They had become a disappointment at that point they had too many loses even Al thought he would end up in the NIT. Had lost to unranked Depaul and Wichita State. I was about to go to MU and that team was followed down here every single game, Butch had already played for The PR Olympic team. MU didn't win 20 games during the season which was one of the standards back then and which people wrongly still bring up as a requirement around here. And of course that team was a really good team but they had a disappointing regular season.
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They had become a disappointment at that point they had too many loses even Al thought he would end up in the NIT. Had lost to unranked Depaul and Wichita State. I was about to go to MU and that team was followed down here every single game, Butch had already played for The PR Olympic team. MU didn't win 20 games during the season which was one of the standards back then and which people wrongly still bring up as a requirement around here. And of course that team was a really good team but they had a disappointing regular season.
Affirmative. MU was preseason #1 and certainly had a ton of talent, but by selection time there were serious questions about whether we would even get a bid. So yes, we were major underdogs in the tournament.
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Affirmative. MU was preseason #1 and certainly had a ton of talent, but by selection time there were serious questions about whether we would even get a bid. So yes, we were major underdogs in the tournament.
Correct we were a "cinderella" team.
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News and Goooo
Thank you for the history lesson. Learn something every day, much appreciated.
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As of right now, they're not in the tournament. If they had played Georgetown 2x and Depaul 2x instead of Xavier 2x and Nova 2x, we'd probably be 7-6, not 5-8, and projected in the tournament. But we'd have to play X and Nova again.
We have a favorable schedule to finish the season. Win the games your supposed to win, and the rest will take care of itself.
There is a problem here. Of our remaining games, I'd say the only ones we're "supposed to" win are SJU and at DePaul, and neither of those are a guarantee. I don't think we're supposed to win at Georgetown or against Creighton. If we only win the games we're supposed to win we'll finish 16-14 and maybe not in the NIT. We have to win at least 2 games we're not supposed to win and not lose any we are.
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is this 5 year plan thing real? I know it sets up well for a 5th year peak but back in 2014 or 2015 did we ever officially hear that we are building for success in Year 5?
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They had become a disappointment at that point they had too many loses even Al thought he would end up in the NIT. Had lost to unranked Depaul and Wichita State. I was about to go to MU and that team was followed down here every single game, Butch had already played for The PR Olympic team. MU didn't win 20 games during the season which was one of the standards back then and which people wrongly still bring up as a requirement around here. And of course that team was a really good team but they had a disappointing regular season.
Actually, MU did win 20 in the regular season (our record was 20-7). Things looked grim when we stood at 16-6 and were finishing the season with 5 road games. We won the first 4 to get to 20-6 and led Michigan (who I think was #2 in the country) big at halftime when Al got the word that we were "in".
The '77 team was untypical for Al - his teams had been virtually unbeatable at home. Our arena record was 11-5 that year, but we were 9-2 on the road and 5-0 on neutral sites, so 14-2 away from Milwaukee.
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There is a problem here. Of our remaining games, I'd say the only ones we're "supposed to" win are SJU and at DePaul, and neither of those are a guarantee. I don't think we're supposed to win at Georgetown or against Creighton. If we only win the games we're supposed to win we'll finish 16-14 and maybe not in the NIT. We have to win at least 2 games we're not supposed to win and not lose any we are.
According to TRANK, Marquette is favored in their last 4 games of the season. According to Sagrin, Marquette is favored in 3/5 games, and one of the 2 games they are not currently favored to win (vs. Creighton) is a close to a pick em.
So yes, Marquette is supposed to win vs. SJU, @Depaul, and @Gtown, and vs. Creighton is a coin flip. I am not just arbitrarily making stuff up.
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Georgetown just won at Butler for their second straight win tying MU in the win column.
St John's has two straight wins and plays DePaul next, which means after tomorrow's game either St. John's will have won three straight games or DePaul will have won two straight games.
Marquette may not even finish as high as 7th in Big East.
Yep. Totally agree.
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They had become a disappointment at that point they had too many loses even Al thought he would end up in the NIT. Had lost to unranked Depaul and Wichita State. I was about to go to MU and that team was followed down here every single game, Butch had already played for The PR Olympic team. MU didn't win 20 games during the season which was one of the standards back then and which people wrongly still bring up as a requirement around here. And of course that team was a really good team but they had a disappointing regular season.
Actually, 20 wins was huge back then because teams only played 25-26 games. There were no multi game November or December tourneys back then. Today 30 regular season games are the norm.
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79Warrior
Spot on. Winning twenty games now is not a major accomplishment, especially with 5-7 cupcakes on the schedule. Not winning twenty is disturbing, IMO.
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According to TRANK, Marquette is favored in their last 4 games of the season. According to Sagrin, Marquette is favored in 3/5 games, and one of the 2 games they are not currently favored to win (vs. Creighton) is a close to a pick em.
So yes, Marquette is supposed to win vs. SJU, @Depaul, and @Gtown, and vs. Creighton is a coin flip. I am not just arbitrarily making stuff up.
Do you know how regularly that's updated? I'm guess we underperformed in some of our recent games, so would that be reflected in the current projections?
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79Warrior
Spot on. Winning twenty games now is not a major accomplishment, especially with 5-7 cupcakes on the schedule. Not winning twenty is disturbing, IMO.
We could have easily won 20 if we scheduled an easier schedule. We won 20 two years ago. We won 19 last year. We won't get to 20 this year.
Our teams the past two years were FAR better than the 15-16 team that won 20. 20 wins is irrelevant without considering other factors.
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MUeagle
They are not a very good team this season, that is my opinion. Last year, they were decent and still struggled for a bid. Your idea of a good twenty win team and mine do not match up. Hopefully, next year is the magical year!!!
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MUeagle
They are not a very good team this season, that is my opinion. Last year, they were decent and still struggled for a bid. Your idea of a good twenty win team and mine do not match up. Hopefully, next year is the magical year!!!
To be clear, I'm not saying we are good this year. I think that we'll find out if we're any good over the next couple of weeks. I'm just saying winning 20 games is irrelevant. Good teams can win less than 20 and bad teams can win 20 depending on the schedule.
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Eagle
"Good" teams win more the twenty.
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To be clear, I'm not saying we are good this year. I think that we'll find out if we're any good over the next couple of weeks. I'm just saying winning 20 games is irrelevant. Good teams can win less than 20 and bad teams can win 20 depending on the schedule.
I don't think any good team wins less than 20. I also think it's hard to be bad and win 20. There are a lot of decent teams that win 18-22 games, though. The bubble seems to have been pretty soft in the last couple years, so there are teams making the tournament with 19, maybe even 18 wins, but I don't think I'd call those teams good. Similarly, there are teams winning 20+ games with 150+ SOS schedules, but I don't think I'd call them bad. If you find a way to win a bunch of games, you might be better than your resume would indicate. Those teams usually have a bad loss or two because they play so many awful teams, but losing a bad game doesn't make you a bad team, in my opinion.
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Georgetown just won at Butler for their second straight win tying MU in the win column.
St John's has two straight wins and plays DePaul next, which means after tomorrow's game either St. John's will have won three straight games or DePaul will have won two straight games.
Marquette may not even finish as high as 7th in Big East.
Georgetown still plays X and @Nova. They aren't winning more than 7 league games at most. Context is important.
SJU would have to win out to get to 7 BE wins, which includes trips to Providence and Marquette and home games against Butler and Hall.
Depaul still sucks.
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Eagle
"Good" teams win more the twenty.
This is False
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Eagle
"Good" teams win more the twenty.
Agree to disagree. Syracuse won 19 two years ago and went to the final four. Plenty of teams that get 8 or 9 seeds (top 36) that win less than 20. Oregon State won 19 in 2016 and got a 7 seed.
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I don't think any good team wins less than 20. I also think it's hard to be bad and win 20. There are a lot of decent teams that win 18-22 games, though. The bubble seems to have been pretty soft in the last couple years, so there are teams making the tournament with 19, maybe even 18 wins, but I don't think I'd call those teams good. Similarly, there are teams winning 20+ games with 150+ SOS schedules, but I don't think I'd call them bad. If you find a way to win a bunch of games, you might be better than your resume would indicate. Those teams usually have a bad loss or two because they play so many awful teams, but losing a bad game doesn't make you a bad team, in my opinion.
Two years ago we had a team win 20 games and not even make the NIT. Wouldn't that be the definition of not good in spite of the 20 game metric?
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According to TRANK, Marquette is favored in their last 4 games of the season. According to Sagrin, Marquette is favored in 3/5 games, and one of the 2 games they are not currently favored to win (vs. Creighton) is a close to a pick em.
So yes, Marquette is supposed to win vs. SJU, @Depaul, and @Gtown, and vs. Creighton is a coin flip. I am not just arbitrarily making stuff up.
Lines based on Sagarin: Creighton is -8 at home, -1.5 in Milwaukee. MU is -4.5 vs St Johns at home, -2.5 at DePaul and -.5 at Georgetown. Given our recent struggles these lines may move against us by a point or two.
So in fairness I would say we're "supposed to" win one game (St John's) "supposed to" lose one game (@ Creighton) and the other 3 are toss ups.
5-0 is great, means we exceed expectations, 4-1 is good, we meet them, 3-2 is a slight disappointment, 2-3 a solid disappointment, 1-4 is near disaster, 0-5 is total disaster.
The season is in the balance. Go Warriors!
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Two years ago we had a team win 20 games and not even make the NIT. Wouldn't that be the definition of not good in spite of the 20 game metric?
I think that team falls pretty squarely in the mediocre camp.
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Eagle
Please note I said "good" teams, not good teams. Teams that are not bubble teams, exceed twenty wins with ease on regular basis.
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Actually, MU did win 20 in the regular season (our record was 20-7). Things looked grim when we stood at 16-6 and were finishing the season with 5 road games. We won the first 4 to get to 20-6 and led Michigan (who I think was #2 in the country) big at halftime when Al got the word that we were "in".
The '77 team was untypical for Al - his teams had been virtually unbeatable at home. Our arena record was 11-5 that year, but we were 9-2 on the road and 5-0 on neutral sites, so 14-2 away from Milwaukee.
Correct 20-7 my bad. We had a 3 game losing streak at home against DePaul, Detroit (15), Wichita State.
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Today 25 wins is the equivalent of Al's 20 wins. UCLA was winning the national championship with 30-0 perfect seasons.
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Georgetown still plays X and @Nova. They aren't winning more than 7 league games at most. Context is important.
SJU would have to win out to get to 7 BE wins, which includes trips to Providence and Marquette and home games against Butler and Hall.
Depaul still sucks.
Love to hear your thoughts about Depaul sucking if they beat us. I thought same as you, that Depaul still sucks, but that gameis looking more and more like a toss up. I guess that is OK, a barn burner for the suckiest BEast team.
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Love to hear your thoughts about Depaul sucking if they beat us. I thought same as you, that Depaul still sucks, but that gameis looking more and more like a toss up. I guess that is OK, a barn burner for the suckiest BEast team.
What about that game is looking like a toss up? Depaul is still terrible. We played awful and still beat them by 18, and the game wasn't even that close.
I am sure your response will be quite intelligible.
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What about that game is looking like a toss up? Depaul is still terrible. We played awful and still beat them by 18, and the game wasn't even that close.
I am sure your response will be quite intelligible.
Some more of the Willie Whine?
An incredibly bad vintage
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Some more of the Willie Whine?
An incredibly bad vintage
The equivalent of Mad Dog 20/20
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Whining Willie is a solid sobriquet.
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Whining Willie is a solid sobriquet.
Meme tournament worthy?
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We got this.