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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: zcg2013 on January 17, 2018, 10:12:52 AM
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Per Ben Steele:
Joey is enrolling and redshirting this semester. Will have all 4 years eligibility after this season and is taking the open scholarship.
My only thought here is this gives him more practice time with MU and prepping for next year. Quite interesting though.
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I think the key here is the weight program, and the PT he'll have access to.
Plus I'm sure practice when he's ready will be helpful to.
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Also per Ben Steele: "Now #mubb coaches and staff can monitor Joey Hauser's rehab from ankle surgery that ended his senior season at SPASH. He also gets a jump start on school."
He can also travel with the team this year.
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This is an excellent decision on every single metric.
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He isn't physically able to play yet. This will get him into the weight room and the meetings.
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Interesting development. I like it. The sooner Todd Smith can get a hold of him, the better. It's not like we were going to use a redshirt on him anyway. Only potential downside I could see is if he loses a season due to injury (but it seems like the kind of thing the NCAA would grant an additional year for) or that it theoretically will make him a grad transfer candidate his last year.
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This is a brilliant, extremely positive move for all the reasons already stated (and likely several more).
Love it, love it, love it!
But I can't believe he is "giving up" on his SPASH teammates before the big bowl game!
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Interesting.
This means that Joey is basically burning his red shirt year, right? For a guy that gets injured as much as he does, not sure I completely love the idea. But I guess if he and staff think he is not a 4 year player, it makes sense.
I get the upside to getting him with MU trainers and staff right away.
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I think of what Todd Smith did for Harry in just a semester of lifting, and that makes me giddy for what Todd can do with Joey for a semester.
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Is he older or younger than Howard?
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Is he older or younger than Howard?
Oh my, Markus is no longer the youngest player on the roster!
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Interesting.
This means that Joey is basically burning his red shirt year, right? For a guy that gets injured as much as he does, not sure I completely love the idea. But I guess if he and staff think he is not a 4 year player, it makes sense.
I get the upside to getting him with MU trainers and staff right away.
Yea, this is one concern I take from it. Would suck for him to get injured early next year and then not be able to use a RS.
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Yea, this is one concern I take from it. Would suck for him to get injured early next year and then not be able to use a RS.
Isn't that what a medical red-shirt is for? You have to have those approved, but this is not something to worry about.
Pretty sure they would think through things like that...
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Interesting.
This means that Joey is basically burning his red shirt year, right? For a guy that gets injured as much as he does, not sure I completely love the idea. But I guess if he and staff think he is not a 4 year player, it makes sense.
I get the upside to getting him with MU trainers and staff right away.
Could be wrong, but I feel like this is a case where the NCAA might be willing to grant an extra year of eligibility. Don't know the proper terminology but I feel like I've seen players who took a "normal" redshirt year be granted a "medical" redshirt after getting injured later in their career.
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Isn't that what a medical red-shirt is for? You have to have those approved, but this is not something to worry about.
Pretty sure they would think through things like that...
Using a redshirt takes away your ability to have a medical redshirt later. I think you can apply for a medical hardship waiver if you have two seasons ended by injury. I think that's the proper terminology. I don't think you can get the medical hardship waiver if your first redshirt was just a normal one but I also think the NCAA has granted exceptions in the past.
Could Marquette argue that because of Joey's ankle injury that this is a medical redshirt? And then have him apply for a medical hardship waiver if he gets injured in the future? Honestly don't know.
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Could be wrong, but I feel like this is a case where the NCAA might be willing to grant an extra year of eligibility. Don't know the proper terminology but I feel like I've seen players who took a "normal" redshirt year be granted a "medical" redshirt after getting injured later in their career.
I think the key is "might be willing", with the NCAA you never know. But I see this a positive. I saw on Twitter that Dennis Smith Jr. did the same thing at NC State and that worked out well.
At the end of the day, the staff probably sees Joey as a 2 or 3 year player.
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This is awesome
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I think the key is "might be willing", with the NCAA you never know. But I see this a positive. I saw on Twitter that Dennis Smith Jr. did the same thing at NC State and that worked out well.
At the end of the day, the staff probably sees Joey as a 2 or 3 year player.
Bingo
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Factastic. Have him healthy, stronger and ready to roll next year. Agree that the view is that JH likely to be done within 3 years, so red shirt not an issue.
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Huge for us, get joey ready for next season
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This type of thing happens fairly frequently with football programs("spring players"). Players get medical redshirts there, I'm sure it's different because basketball crosses semesters. However there is almost no downside here IMO. Love the idea of having a "redshirt freshmen" Joey Hauser next year. The PT, weight program, and travel experience for Joey make this a no brainer.
So we'll see him on the bench at X on the 24th, right?
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PS I love this.
Now let's get a grad transfer PG and we're ready to go.
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Wow! Makes a lot of sense.
I suppose the question I posed at 9.23am on the Next Year thread ("Given that Joey's not playing this year, I wonder if he's focusing his energy in the weight room, and building some of that necessary muscle now. Are trainers from the schools where a player has committed allowed to inform/guide them before they arrive on campus?") precipitated this decision.
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Sorry .. I pay zero attention to incoming guys until they are here. Can someone explain .. has Joey graduated from high school? I don't understand how he's here before August.
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Sorry .. I pay zero attention to incoming guys until they are here. Can someone explain .. has Joey graduated from high school? I don't understand how he's here before August.
Sounds like he is graduating on Friday, after he finishes his semester exams.
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Wow! Makes a lot of sense.
I suppose the question I posed at 9.23am on the Next Year thread ("Given that Joey's not playing this year, I wonder if he's focusing his energy in the weight room, and building some of that necessary muscle now. Are trainers from the schools where a player has committed allowed to inform/guide them before they arrive on campus?") precipitated this decision.
Haha dude, it was all you! Thank you so much!
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Sorry .. I pay zero attention to incoming guys until they are here. Can someone explain .. has Joey graduated from high school? I don't understand how he's here before August.
He graduated. Sounds like a bit of a slacker compared to Markus who graduated in 3.
This is exciting. Should help his recovery and give him a bit of a head start on his freshman season.
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Ben Steele states in his article: "He is rated the No. 2 recruit in Wisconsin and the No. 45 national prospect by 247sports"
Who is number one in WI? Thanks.
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Who is number one in WI? Thanks.
The cartographer
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So, will he be considered a freshman next year, or a red-shirt freshman, or a sophomore with 4 years of eligibility remaining?
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Sorry .. I pay zero attention to incoming guys until they are here. Can someone explain .. has Joey graduated from high school? I don't understand how he's here before August.
Honestly, its very easy to graduate from high school in 3.5 years, even if you are not trying. I would guess that most of the kids in my graduating class could have graduated in December but didn't because that's just not the norm. I realized that I had completed all of my high school requirements by my junior year. I took a bunch of AP classes and bs classes like photography and film study my senior year just to enjoy it.
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1. This is a good development for MU basketball.
2. I do not think this is positive for Young Hauser personally. You only have one senior year of high school . Life happens in the order it happens for a reason. No reason to give up those last great high school days early.
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This might be Wojo's best mind game yet!
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Joey joined MU early to ensure that Tyler Herro knows he is fully committed. Herro will decommit from Kentucky and join MU next year!
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1. This is a good development for MU basketball.
2. I do not think this is positive for Young Hauser personally. You only have one senior year of high school . Life happens in the order it happens for a reason. No reason to give up those last great high school days early.
That is a negative. But, that's overshadowed by the benefits of the re-hab and to get acclimated to college life and basketball. Kind of hard to sit on the bench at SPASH and not play as well.
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1. This is a good development for MU basketball.
2. I do not think this is positive for Young Hauser personally. You only have one senior year of high school . Life happens in the order it happens for a reason. No reason to give up those last great high school days early.
I don't know about you Hermie, but freshmen year in college was far better and more memorable than senior year in high school. And, I couldn't even remember at the time half the weekends freshmen year.
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I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I'll pose it anyway: is there any precedent for graduating HS at semester and joining your college team mid-season?
Hypothetically speaking, are there any loopholes that would have allowed Joey, if healthy, to graduate Friday and suit up next Wednesday?
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Can he just immediately request a medical redshirt?
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Probably not staying 4 if as good as advertised......
So get closer to that degree up front.....
Sit in meetings.....
Get rehab......
Get to shoot 500 shots a day......
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I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I'll pose it anyway: is there any precedent for graduating HS at semester and joining your college team mid-season?
Hypothetically speaking, are there any loopholes that would have allowed Joey, if healthy, to graduate Friday and suit up next Wednesday?
Wiley did it for Pearl just last year.
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I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I'll pose it anyway: is there any precedent for graduating HS at semester and joining your college team mid-season?
Hypothetically speaking, are there any loopholes that would have allowed Joey, if healthy, to graduate Friday and suit up next Wednesday?
It's pretty unprecedented since the high school basketball season covers two semesters.
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I don't know about you Hermie, but freshmen year in college was far better and more memorable than senior year in high school. And, I couldn't even remember at the time half the weekends freshmen year.
Yeah by my senior year, I was ready to be out of high school. He aint missing much.
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This is all part of Joey's plan to play at ISU as a grad transfer.
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I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I'll pose it anyway: is there any precedent for graduating HS at semester and joining your college team mid-season?
Hypothetically speaking, are there any loopholes that would have allowed Joey, if healthy, to graduate Friday and suit up next Wednesday?
Jarnell Stokes did it for Tennessee a few years back.
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This is all part of Joey's plan to play at ISU as a grad transfer.
Winner.
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Will he be arriving on campus in a walking boot?
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Will he be arriving on campus in a walking boot?
Yes, and dropped off by mom and dad in front of Jimmy John's.
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1. This is a good development for MU basketball.
2. I do not think this is positive for Young Hauser personally. You only have one senior year of high school . Life happens in the order it happens for a reason. No reason to give up those last great high school days early.
Yeah life happens in that order because an erbitrary number set up. If you were raised thinking that number was 17 or 19 it'd be no different.
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I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I'll pose it anyway: is there any precedent for graduating HS at semester and joining your college team mid-season?
Hypothetically speaking, are there any loopholes that would have allowed Joey, if healthy, to graduate Friday and suit up next Wednesday?
It would burn a season to play 1 semester. Plus, he's hurt.
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Yes, and dropped off by mom and dad in front of Jimmy John's.
Better in front then in.
(http://www.nwherald.com/_internal/cimg!0/fnuy90nh0on03xr7dbgzwxywuvdfx5j)
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BTW, this could not have happened had we simply filled out the scholarships for the sake of filling out the scholarships. Same with the Froling transfer last year.
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1. This is a good development for MU basketball.
2. I do not think this is positive for Young Hauser personally. You only have one senior year of high school . Life happens in the order it happens for a reason. No reason to give up those last great high school days early.
Agreed on both points. But for athletes at his level, I think it's becoming more normal for them to miss out on a lot of the fun that things most high school students experience. I'm sure it will be tough to miss the time spent with his high school team, but all in all, the pros obviously outweighed the cons for Joey and the family. Have Sam around has to help tremendously with this mid-year transition.
I would be willing to bet that a huge part of this decision is based on the medical and PT attention he can get at MU, which will be far superior than he would be able to get through current channels, plus I believe all treatment and therapy for student athletes is free for the athletes. That's a big bonus and may allow him to recover to 100% more quickly.
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Jarnell Stokes did it for Tennessee a few years back.
That's who I was thinking of too. I can't remember if that was under Bruce Pearl as well or if he was gone by then.
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I don't know about you Hermie, but freshmen year in college was far better and more memorable than senior year in high school. And, I couldn't even remember at the time half the weekends freshmen year.
This. Senior year of HS was fine and all, but it wasn't even remotely as enjoyable as freshman year at MU.
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1. This is a good development for MU basketball.
2. I do not think this is positive for Young Hauser personally. You only have one senior year of high school . Life happens in the order it happens for a reason. No reason to give up those last great high school days early.
Should’ve voiced those opinions when they were discussing it at the dinner table.
Glad you know what’s best for this 17 year old college freshman though. Is that how you know everything about every basketball player MU has been connected to? MU has you on payroll as a life coach?
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This. Senior year of HS was fine and all, but it wasn't even remotely as enjoyable as freshman year at MU.
Something tells me the reason most of us found freshman year to be so much fun will not apply to Joey...
For a competitive player that loves the game, I assume have a schedule so dedicated to basketball will be a nice change of pace, though. Plus, having the additional coaching attention, scholastic resources, better facilities, and all the other perks of big time D1 hoops will also be an improvement over high school, I would think.
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Should’ve voiced those opinions when they were discussing it at the dinner table.
Glad you know what’s best for this 17 year old college freshman though. Is that how you know everything about every basketball player MU has been connected to? MU has you on payroll as a life coach?
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1. This is a good development for MU basketball.
2. I do not think this is positive for Young Hauser personally. You only have one senior year of high school . Life happens in the order it happens for a reason. No reason to give up those last great high school days early.
No reason? Well, that’s not true. The reason is to advance his goals and MU b-ball career. Seems like a good reason......to the Hausers at least, and I would say that they are all that really matters.
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Should’ve voiced those opinions when they were discussing it at the dinner table.
Glad you know what’s best for this 17 year old college freshman though. Is that how you know everything about every basketball player MU has been connected to? MU has you on payroll as a life coach?
+1
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FWIW, saw him at Saturday's game Point played in La Crosse. Still had large cast on his ankle and was using one of those knee-high unicycle-type things to rest his leg on from his calf down while going to the bench before the game.
Also watched Suggs play the game before that. Looked like he was playing hurt? Hard to get a gauge on how good he might be because the game was no longer competitive by the middle of the 1st half. Good shot though. Reminded me a taller Duane Wilson at the same age.
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Should’ve voiced those opinions when they were discussing it at the dinner table.
Glad you know what’s best for this 17 year old college freshman though. Is that how you know everything about every basketball player MU has been connected to? MU has you on payroll as a life coach?
He shared an opinion (one I happen to agree with, as a general matter). Just like 20+ other people on this thread, including you. Relax. That's what people do on message boards...particularly when there's a lull in the schedule.
Also, I absolutely love this. Welcome to Marquette, Joey.
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I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I'll pose it anyway: is there any precedent for graduating HS at semester and joining your college team mid-season?
Hypothetically speaking, are there any loopholes that would have allowed Joey, if healthy, to graduate Friday and suit up next Wednesday?
Happens frequently in football.
Rarely with hoops due to season overlapping semesters.
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Something tells me the reason most of us found freshman year to be so much fun will not apply to Joey...
For a competitive player that loves the game, I assume have a schedule so dedicated to basketball will be a nice change of pace, though. Plus, having the additional coaching attention, scholastic resources, better facilities, and all the other perks of big time D1 hoops will also be an improvement over high school, I would think.
Oh believe me, the basketball team has a very rugged athletic and academic schedule BUT they find plenty o time to indulge in the simpler pleasures of life. Kegs of natty light and bottles of Henny for days
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has Joey graduated from high school?
Who cares? Greet news!
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This seems like a poor decision for Joey. And I'm surprised about the Hausers going along with it. After all, a couple posters here - some who have posted in this thread - have, on multiple occasions, mentioned that Wojo's mind games are terrible for players at MU. Now, Joey will be exposed to more of those mind games without the added benefit of him performing on the court. Awful.
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This is a great move for Joey and MU, love it.
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I believe Joey is incapacitated (docs would assert this) through the end of season.
Therefore, if he met the medical hardship waiver criteria in a FUTURE year, he would be a good candidate for a 5-year rule waiver.
PS- I graduated MU in 3.5 yrs of classes, wasssssup now?!?!
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I believe Joey is incapacitated (docs would assert this) through the end of season.
Therefore, if he met the medical hardship waiver criteria in a FUTURE year, he would be a good candidate for a 5-year rule waiver.
PS- I graduated MU in 3.5 yrs of classes, wasssssup now?!?!
I graduated in 4 plus a summer and never took more than 14 credit hours in a semester after 1st semester freshman year.
This has nothing to do with Joey Hauser.
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I graduated in 4 plus a summer and never took more than 14 credit hours in a semester after 1st semester freshman year.
This has nothing to do with Joey Hauser. But I did eat a lot of Arby's.
(Does anyone else remember "Scott" from the Brookfield Arby's circa 1998-2000? Greatest Arby's employee ever.)
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With this type of injury can Todd smith even work with him yet?
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Probably discussed before but does anyone know when joey will be out of the cast
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With this type of injury can Todd smith even work with him yet?
Are there parts of the body besides the ankle? If so, I hope Todd can find an exercise that works them.
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I believe Joey is incapacitated (docs would assert this) through the end of season.
Therefore, if he met the medical hardship waiver criteria in a FUTURE year, he would be a good candidate for a 5-year rule waiver.
PS- I graduated MU in 3.5 yrs of classes, wasssssup now?!?!
What is the injury exactly? Did he like have rods/screws,etc put in or is it just a bone fracture.
Heck, some NFL guys have blow out their ACL and been stronger in 10 months, same as baseball with Tommy John surgery. Sure his injury not even close to these, right?
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Are there parts of the body besides the ankle? If so, I hope Todd can find an exercise that works them.
I didn't know if that was allowed during a post surgery. It might make the healing process longer or something no need to be snarky
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Joey Hauser is officially an FFP student.
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Are there parts of the body besides the ankle? If so, I hope Todd can find an exercise that works them.
What do you think this is, Louisville?
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Hypothetically speaking, are there any loopholes that would have allowed Joey, if healthy, to graduate Friday and suit up next Wednesday?
Not impossible, but he'd have not practiced with the team but a few times and barely know the plays or defense.... not that Wojo coaches defense.
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With this type of injury can Todd smith even work with him yet?
Hope Todd can put more muscle on him than he has on Greg and Jamal.
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How long has Todd been with the MU program?
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Even if Joey can't lift now, he might be ready by mid-March. A two month head start is still something. Plus Joey can for sure be here for 1st summer session. Not sure when SPASH graduates but I think that has a bearing on how soon frosh can enroll. Some players have to wait until July to get on campus.
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Someone said that Brendon will be on campus in April. He will need Todd's body building classes too.
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Someone said that Brendon will be on campus in April. He will need Todd's body building classes too.
He is done with his mission in March. He will be here for the first summer school session (mid to late May.)
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Hope Todd can put more muscle on him than he has on Greg and Jamal.
Just remember...strength AND conditioning.
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And we thought there wasn't going to be anything to talk about for 9 days.
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It would burn a season to play 1 semester. Plus, he's hurt.
Di Silva for Kansas just did this and played for Kansas against West Virginia after graduating high school a week ago. Rare, but entirely feasible.
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It would burn a season to play 1 semester. Plus, he's hurt.
Hence "hypothetically speaking" and "if healthy"
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How long has Todd been with the MU program?
http://www.gomarquette.com/genrel/smith_todd00.html
Google says 12 years
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Yeah life happens in that order because an erbitrary number set up. If you were raised thinking that number was 17 or 19 it'd be no different.
Disagree. Spring of senior year in high school was a blast (as was freshman year of college). I'd have hated to miss out on either of them.
Edit: I'm not saying Joey would or should look at it like I would. Joey should do what he wants to do and I'll bet he has. Either way, it is definitely a positive for MU's basketball team and for Joey the basketball player.
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A semester to get adjusted academically is also a huge boon for athletes. This kind of redshirt is common amongst football players. I do workshops for all incoming athletes at TAMU and have talked to some of the spring athletes and the staff that work with them. They all say the early start on the semester is a huge help with their classwork.
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Are there parts of the body besides the ankle? If so, I hope Todd can find an exercise that works them.
nh?
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Something tells me the reason most of us found freshman year to be so much fun will not apply to Joey...
Bridging two freshmen classes of coeds? #mademan
Looking back, wouldn't we all give our right arms to attend five years of ungrad?
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With the high numbers of mid year transfers (out) I wouldn't be surprised to see more of this, and even with kids who could come in right away a contribute.
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Joey Hauser is officially an FFP student.
Probably the last cool one too. Thanks a lot, Pilarz
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With the high numbers of mid year transfers (out) I wouldn't be surprised to see more of this, and even with kids who could come in right away a contribute.
But mid-season transfers still count for the entire season. Joey is getting an open scholarship. Cheatham's spot cannot be used this season.
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But mid-season transfers still count for the entire season. Joey is getting an open scholarship. Cheatham's spot cannot be used this season.
Yes, as I said earlier, if MU had maxed out all 13 scholarships this fall, Joey would have had to pay his way this Spring.
This is why I don't get bent out of shape if we only fill 12 scholarships.
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Disagree. Spring of senior year in high school was a blast (as was freshman year of college). I'd have hated to miss out on either of them.
Edit: I'm not saying Joey would or should look at it like I would. Joey should do what he wants to do and I'll bet he has. Either way, it is definitely a positive for MU's basketball team and for Joey the basketball player.
Didn't say it wasn't, I personally loved senior year and if I had to redo a non college year it'd be that one but there's actually no reason that number is 17 to 18. Hermain's post implied there was an actual reason. In the grand scheme of things it's weird to him because he's used to the way we do things here, not because life is ordered in a way for a reason.
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It's a lot harder to put on muscle when there isn't any weight there to work with (Cain, Elliott) than it is to turn weight into muscle (Harry). And yes, Todd will be able to work with him immediately.
Again, Joey isn't some twig or lanky kid who needs to put on 40 pounds. He's very solidly built. He's built much more like his older brother is currently built than he is Jamal or Greg.
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Ben Steele states in his article: "He is rated the No. 2 recruit in Wisconsin and the No. 45 national prospect by 247sports"
Who is number one in WI? Thanks.
Herro rated higher by most.
I saw several games of each guy as sophs and juniors, and considered them pretty equal. Hard to directly compare because of different positions, but both guys are excellent shooters and have great court awareness similar to Sam. Joey is more of a team guy. Neither guy is a one-trick pony - both have good all-around games on offense.
Hard to know on defense since it was high school.
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As to the personal trade off between enjoying senior year and jumping to college, Joey's calculus is obviously way different than all of ours. He's trying to get to the NBA, which prizes youth and ceiling in the draft. The faster Joey can adjust to the college game the faster he rises up mock drafts. I loved my senior year spring, but would probably do the same thing Joey is if I walked in his shoes.
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Good coaching by Wojo. Get the kid into classes, adjusted to college life, improve fitness, improve strength, get proper rehab, etc.
I don't think Joey is a one and done, but this really helps him be an impact freshman next year.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W2O6o3CkaM
I think my favorite part of this video is it's a 247Badger video. Hoping Wojo has invested in that Big Ten Network by now so he can catch Joey in action next year!
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Get away from your parents. College girls. A party here and there. Joey is loving this. Great for MU too.
I agree with analysis.
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It'll be great to have a 6'9" point guard to replace Rowsey next year.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W2O6o3CkaM
I think my favorite part of this video is it's a 247Badger video. Hoping Wojo has invested in that Big Ten Network by now so he can catch Joey in action next year!
Haha—that’s right.
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It'll be great to have a 6'9" point guard to replace Rowsey next year.
Who is the 6'9" PG?
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To answer some questions in here. Yes, you can work out core, arms and even some legs right now. I laughed with the assumption on the thread that Stevens Point does not have good rehabilitation professionals or facilities. But the more I thought about it, he will have daily access to the under water treadmill and the Alter G (anti-gravity) treadmill on a daily basis, so it's a probably good for his foot/ ankle that he's at MU now.
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To answer some questions in here. Yes, you can work out core, arms and even some legs right now. I laughed with the assumption on the thread that Stevens Point does not have good rehabilitation professionals or facilities. But the more I thought about it, he will have daily access to the under water treadmill and the Alter G (anti-gravity) treadmill on a daily basis, so it's a probably good for his foot/ ankle that he's at MU now.
Can he use the hyperbaric chamber?
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Can he use the hyperbaric chamber?
Can he use the hyperbaric chamber?
Probably not since they have a hyperbolic chamber.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8034.0;all
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Probably not since they have a hyperbolic chamber.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8034.0;all
What about the tanning bed?
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What about the tanning bed?
Pretty sure it got loaded up in the Hummer.
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Probably not since they have a hyperbolic chamber.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8034.0;all
Since the onion link in that thread is dead...
https://www.theonion.com/amazing-new-hyperbolic-chamber-greatest-invention-in-th-1819567821
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W2O6o3CkaM
I think my favorite part of this video is it's a 247Badger video. Hoping Wojo has invested in that Big Ten Network by now so he can catch Joey in action next year!
Whats that in reference to? (BTN comment)
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Whats that in reference to? (BTN comment)
Some badger fan made a comment awhile back (I think on Twitter) that Wojo better get BTN, because that's the only way he's going to be able to watch Joey.
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Whats that in reference to? (BTN comment)
Pretty sure that originated from a post on a badgers forum by erikthered, who considers himself an "insider". Weeks before Joeys MU commitment, he predicted that Joey was 100% attending Madison and dropped that quote.
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Pretty sure that originated from a post on a badgers forum by erikthered, who considers himself an "insider". Weeks before Joeys MU commitment, he predicted that Joey was 100% attending Madison and dropped that quote.
Yup.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_OlGTKDqis
Dodds posted this. Stevens Point vs Champlin Park. High school highlights of Joey, Sam, and Theo. Mostly Sam. But Joey as a soph was matched up against Theo.
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Pretty sure that originated from a post on a badgers forum by erikthered, who considers himself an "insider". Weeks before Joeys MU commitment, he predicted that Joey was 100% attending Madison and dropped that quote.
He is the very same poster pushing the hardest on the "Herro's academics weren't good enough to get in" canard. Whatever lies you need to tell yourself I guess.
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Hey, remember this April Fool's Day topic? Let's revisit now that Joey reclassified for real.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54150.msg921273#msg921273 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54150.msg921273#msg921273)
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To answer some questions in here. Yes, you can work out core, arms and even some legs right now. I laughed with the assumption on the thread that Stevens Point does not have good rehabilitation professionals or facilities. But the more I thought about it, he will have daily access to the under water treadmill and the Alter G (anti-gravity) treadmill on a daily basis, so it's a probably good for his foot/ ankle that he's at MU now.
Plus he would probably be using his parents insurance with all those limitations in Stevens Point, not a problem at MU. So unlimited time, visits, equipment etc. Gonna make a difference.
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Hey, remember this April Fool's Day topic? Let's revisit now that Joey reclassified for real.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54150.msg921273#msg921273 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54150.msg921273#msg921273)
Amazing
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After thinking about the news for a day, I think it is a big time move by Wojo and Joey. Very happy that Wojo suggested it, and very happy Joey is now at MU. Well done!!
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After thinking about the news for a day, I think it is a big time move by Wojo and Joey. Very happy that Wojo suggested it, and very happy Joey is now at MU. Well done!!
It also tells me how comfortable the Hausers are with Wojo. The Hauser's are the quintessential Wisconsin HS sports family. Having them in our corner can go a long way. We all joke about Hiroshima / SLU here...but Badger Hiroshima / SLU may have been the day Bo asked Sam to wait.
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Plus he would probably be using his parents insurance with all those limitations in Stevens Point, not a problem at MU. So unlimited time, visits, equipment etc. Gonna make a difference.
I hop MU's insurance doesn't have a preexisting condition clause
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Hey, remember this April Fool's Day topic? Let's revisit now that Joey reclassified for real.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54150.msg921273#msg921273 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54150.msg921273#msg921273)
Of course the sun shines on a dog's ass once in a while.
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Of course the sun shines on a dog's ass once in a while.
And he enrolled in 2018.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_OlGTKDqis
Dodds posted this. Stevens Point vs Champlin Park. High school highlights of Joey, Sam, and Theo. Mostly Sam. But Joey as a soph was matched up against Theo.
1. Sam did not treat Theo well throughout that game, except for one or two possessions where the opposite was true.
2. I didn't recall that JP Macura played for SPASH. (Number 20)
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It also tells me how comfortable the Hausers are with Wojo. The Hauser's are the quintessential Wisconsin HS sports family. Having them in our corner can go a long way. We all joke about Hiroshima / SLU here...but Badger Hiroshima / SLU may have been the day Bo asked Sam to wait.
Hope that massage was a good one.
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It also tells me how comfortable the Hausers are with Wojo. The Hauser's are the quintessential Wisconsin HS sports family. Having them in our corner can go a long way. We all joke about Hiroshima / SLU here...but Badger Hiroshima / SLU may have been the day Bo asked Sam to wait.
What a difference from the Ellensons.
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What a difference from the Ellensons.
The Ellensons were the ultimate millennial/helicopter parents. While you had to take Henry Ellenson, I will argue for years to come the Henry set back the rebuild program by at least a year.
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It also tells me how comfortable the Hausers are with Wojo. The Hauser's are the quintessential Wisconsin HS sports family. Having them in our corner can go a long way. We all joke about Hiroshima / SLU here...but Badger Hiroshima / SLU may have been the day Bo asked Sam to wait.
But it's all smoke and mirrors, hey?
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The Ellensons were the ultimate millennial/helicopter parents. While you had to take Henry Ellenson, I will argue for years to come the Henry set back the rebuild program by at least a year.
Even if that's true (and I don't think it is), landing a McD's AA and putting him in the NBA after a year is worth way more in future recruiting/program building dividends, especially at that point in Wojo's tenure.
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The Ellensons were the ultimate millennial/helicopter parents. While you had to take Henry Ellenson, I will argue for years to come the Henry set back the rebuild program by at least a year.
Hindsight is 20/20 if Belmont and Depaul don't beat us in the closing seconds then we're all saying Henry put that team on his back and carried us to the tournament and it was definitely worth it.
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Even if that's true (and I don't think it is), landing a McD's AA and putting him in the NBA after a year is worth way more in future recruiting/program building dividends, especially at that point in Wojo's tenure.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have taken him, but in reality we could have had the current season last season if we didn't have Ellenson. Not saying that's reason not to take him but the combination of overhype and roster turnover put us behind the power curve of a rebuild in the outlying years from Ellenson.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't have taken him, but in reality we could have had the current season last season if we didn't have Ellenson. Not saying that's reason not to take him but the combination of overhype and roster turnover put us behind the power curve of a rebuild in the outlying years from Ellenson.
I mean...last season wasn't all bad.
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He is the very same poster pushing the hardest on the "Herro's academics weren't good enough to get in" canard. Whatever lies you need to tell yourself I guess.
Might be the biggest joke among UW posters, and that's really saying something. Blocked me on Twitter recently because I called him out on some stupidity. The guy really doesn't seem to know anything about UW sports or basketball in general.
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Has anybody thought about the outrageous high scoring of next year's team with the addition of lights out shooters Joey and Brendon. We will see scores in the 100s commonly. Yahoo!
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I mean...last season wasn't all bad.
Not saying it was, but last year could have been better if we had less youth which the Ellenson one and done forced last year to be.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't have taken him, but in reality we could have had the current season last season if we didn't have Ellenson. Not saying that's reason not to take him but the combination of overhype and roster turnover put us behind the power curve of a rebuild in the outlying years from Ellenson.
Landing Ellenson gave Wojo and MU credibility. It was well worth it.
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Has anybody thought about the outrageous high scoring of next year's team with the addition of lights out shooters Joey and Brendon. We will see scores in the 100s commonly. Yahoo!
Where's the evidence that both are "lights out" shooters?
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Not saying it was, but last year could have been better if we had less youth which the Ellenson one and done forced last year to be.
This is a myth, IMO. We had 4 seniors and a junior (4th year) that logged significant minutes. Sure we played 2 freshmen a bunch but those guys are studs. We really were not that young at all.
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Has anybody thought about the outrageous high scoring of next year's team with the addition of lights out shooters Joey and Brendon. We will see scores in the 100s commonly. Yahoo!
I literally think about it most of my waking moments
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Not saying it was, but last year could have been better if we had less youth which the Ellenson one and done forced last year to be.
Ellenson one and done became Reinhardt so we actually got older quicker.
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It also tells me how comfortable the Hausers are with Wojo. The Hauser's are the quintessential Wisconsin HS sports family. Having them in our corner can go a long way. We all joke about Hiroshima / SLU here...but Badger Hiroshima / SLU may have been the day Bo asked Sam to wait.
And the day Wojo's fortunes changed to the positive. One decision impacted the differing trajectories of the two programs significantly.
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And the day Wojo's fortunes changed to the positive. One decision impacted the differing trajectories of the two programs significantly.
This sounds like the plot of a made-for-TV movie:
All About Sam
The first 15 minutes goes into exactly what happened: Bo telling Sam to wait, Sam going to Marquette, and all that followed during Sam's freshman year.
The next 15 minutes tells how a freshman Sam helped the Badgers.
The next 15 minutes advances the story, with Sam now a sophomore and Marquette getting the commitment from Joey.
The next 15 minutes advances the Sam-to-UW story, with Joey following him there.
Etc, etc., until Sam caps his senior season (and Joey's soph campaign) by cutting down the nets at the Final Four while wearing Marquette blue and gold.
Flash to the Grinch drooling on himself and muttering, "The massage wasn't worth it! The massage wasn't worth it!"
I'd like to thank my great cast and crew, my talented director, my lovely wife, and all the little people who believed in me!
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This semester, Joey is only taking the easy classes.
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Has anybody thought about the outrageous high scoring of next year's team with the addition of lights out shooters Joey and Brendon. We will see scores in the 100s commonly. Yahoo!
Bailey might not be lights out. He shot a percentage in the low 30s from 3 in high school
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Hindsight is 20/20 if Belmont and Depaul don't beat us in the closing seconds then we're all saying Henry put that team on his back and carried us to the tournament and it was definitely worth it.
Do we think those two as wins take us from a non-NIT team to a NCAA tournament team? I don't.
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This semester, Joey is only taking the easy classes.
He enrolled at UNC?
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Do we think those two as wins take us from a non-NIT team to a NCAA tournament team? I don't.
Objectively speaking do you think a 22-11 team tied for 6th in the BE with 4 wins against NCAA teams and 2 decent wins against NIT teams gets left out? I don't
we'll never know but I'm just pointing out billy Garrett misses a free throw and we don't choke against Belmont it's a different tune about Henry's year.
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Objectively speaking do you think a 22-11 team tied for 6th in the BE with 4 wins against NCAA teams and 2 decent wins against NIT teams gets left out? I do.
we'll never know but I'm just pointing out billy Garrett misses a free throw and we don't choke against Belmont it's a different tune about Henry's year.
Totally agree. The fact that those were home losses too, that really hurt the resume.
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Objectively speaking do you think a 22-11 team tied for 6th in the BE with 4 wins against NCAA teams and 2 decent wins against NIT teams gets left out? I don't
we'll never know but I'm just pointing out billy Garrett misses a free throw and we don't choke against Belmont it's a different tune about Henry's year.
Here's the truth about that team - it was one of the luckiest teams in NCAA history. Here's a summary of our 13 closest games:
LSU W by 1
Providence W by 1
Georgetown W by 1
De Paul L by 1
UW W by 2
Belmont L by 3
IUPI W by 4 (OT)
St Johns W by 5
Providence W by 5 (OT)
ASU W by 5
Creighton W by 5
St Johns W by 6
Butler W by 6
So, 13 games within 6 points and our record was 11-2. 2 Overtimes games, 2-0. So could we have made the NIT if we had gone 13-0 in close games? Maybe. but we weren't very good and didn't belong anywhere near the NCAA tournament. How bad were we? Pomeroy had us ranked 97th. One year earlier (with a 13-19 record) we were ranked 93rd.
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Best wins were at #32 Providence and at #32 Bucky. Hardly an earth shattering resume.
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Objectively speaking do you think a 22-11 team tied for 6th in the BE with 4 wins against NCAA teams and 2 decent wins against NIT teams gets left out? I don't
we'll never know but I'm just pointing out billy Garrett misses a free throw and we don't choke against Belmont it's a different tune about Henry's year.
As you say, we'll never know. Two more wins would've had us right on the bubble. The lowest at-large high-major RPI was Vandy's 71. As I recall, we would've been a bit lower (maybe 80 or so) had we won those two. Our NCSOS was in the 340s, which was a killer. We would've at least been a high NIT seed and been in the discussion for one of those last bids.
Vandy had 3 wins over NCAA teams, though their two best (Kentucky & TAMU) were better than any of ours and another 4 over NIT teams (twice over Florida). Finished 3rd in a 3-bid SEC. Michigan is another that was on the cut-line, they had a 58 RPI, 4 NCAA wins, and no losses to teams outside the postseason (other than SMU who was banned but would've been a NCAA lock).
Now had we won those two and the Creighton game when we had the lead and the ball with under 2:00 to play (and had two chances to take the lead or tie in the final minute) we would've certainly been in.
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As you say, we'll never know. Two more wins would've had us right on the bubble. The lowest at-large high-major RPI was Vandy's 71. As I recall, we would've been a bit lower (maybe 80 or so) had we won those two. Our NCSOS was in the 340s, which was a killer. We would've at least been a high NIT seed and been in the discussion for one of those last bids.
Vandy had 3 wins over NCAA teams, though their two best (Kentucky & TAMU) were better than any of ours and another 4 over NIT teams (twice over Florida). Finished 3rd in a 3-bid SEC. Michigan is another that was on the cut-line, they had a 58 RPI, 4 NCAA wins, and no losses to teams outside the postseason (other than SMU who was banned but would've been a NCAA lock).
Now had we won those two and the Creighton game when we had the lead and the ball with under 2:00 to play (and had two chances to take the lead or tie in the final minute) we would've certainly been in.
Very good points. All I'm trying to say regarding this is that with 20 wins we act as though that season matched the season before and he made our rebuild longer etc but a couple bounces the other way and we're singing Henry and Wojo's praises for getting that team in.
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Here's the truth about that team - it was one of the luckiest teams in NCAA history. Here's a summary of our 13 closest games:
LSU W by 1
Providence W by 1
Georgetown W by 1
De Paul L by 1
UW W by 2
Belmont L by 3
IUPI W by 4 (OT)
St Johns W by 5
Providence W by 5 (OT)
ASU W by 5
Creighton W by 5
St Johns W by 6
Butler W by 6
So, 13 games within 6 points and our record was 11-2. 2 Overtimes games, 2-0. So could we have made the NIT if we had gone 13-0 in close games? Maybe. but we weren't very good and didn't belong anywhere near the NCAA tournament. How bad were we? Pomeroy had us ranked 97th. One year earlier (with a 13-19 record) we were ranked 93rd.
If a Senior-laden team won close games like that, many here and in the media would compliment the grit shown by an "experienced" group of players who "never get rattled by the end of game situations".
But flip the agenda and its called "lucky" that those games were won by Marquette.
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This sounds like the plot of a made-for-TV movie:
All About Sam
The first 15 minutes goes into exactly what happened: Bo telling Sam to wait, Sam going to Marquette, and all that followed during Sam's freshman year.
The next 15 minutes tells how a freshman Sam helped the Badgers.
The next 15 minutes advances the story, with Sam now a sophomore and Marquette getting the commitment from Joey.
The next 15 minutes advances the Sam-to-UW story, with Joey following him there.
Etc, etc., until Sam caps his senior season (and Joey's soph campaign) by cutting down the nets at the Final Four while wearing Marquette blue and gold.
Flash to the Grinch drooling on himself and muttering, "The massage wasn't worth it! The massage wasn't worth it!"
I'd like to thank my great cast and crew, my talented director, my lovely wife, and all the little people who believed in me!
Who is playing you?
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Very good points. All I'm trying to say regarding this is that with 20 wins we act as though that season matched the season before and he made our rebuild longer etc but a couple bounces the other way and we're singing Henry and Wojo's praises for getting that team in.
Absolutely. I understand the "Henry set us back" argument in that it may have cost us both Gabe Levin and Kyle Washington, as well as changed how some recruits looked at opportunities here. That said, we also were able to show that if you come to Marquette, you can be showcased and drafted in the top-20. Might that be paying dividends with guys like Morrow and Joey? Even to a lesser extent players like Howard who saw that Wojo will adjust his offense to showcase spectacular talents (we went from heavily guard-oriented to forward oriented in those first two years).
Obviously there's no replaying the past, but as we're set up now, we should be very competitive the next 2-3 years and the classes are fairly well balanced so there will still be talent when the 2020 class departs. Hard to gripe too much about a 5-star that gave us so many great moments considering what the next few years look like on paper.
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Absolutely. I understand the "Henry set us back" argument in that it may have cost us both Gabe Levin and Kyle Washington, as well as changed how some recruits looked at opportunities here. That said, we also were able to show that if you come to Marquette, you can be showcased and drafted in the top-20. Might that be paying dividends with guys like Morrow and Joey? Even to a lesser extent players like Howard who saw that Wojo will adjust his offense to showcase spectacular talents (we went from heavily guard-oriented to forward oriented in those first two years).
Obviously there's no replaying the past, but as we're set up now, we should be very competitive the next 2-3 years and the classes are fairly well balanced so there will still be talent when the 2020 class departs. Hard to gripe too much about a 5-star that gave us so many great moments considering what the next few years look like on paper.
The showcasing and being drafted argument is valid. The value of Henry was that he extended the Marquette chain of NBA talent into the Wojo Era. This helps in getting us on the radar of top level talent who have those aspirations. The 20 wins that year also helped us escape from the notion of being in a rebuild ( other than Mr. Dodds who says we are still rebuilding). Henry was essential in getting those victories.
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We are still rebuilding. The goal isn't to be a team that has a good chance of making the tournament. Until we return to being ranked regularly and competing for top 4 seeds, we are rebuilding IMHO. Nothing wrong with that. It just means we're on an upward trajectory.
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The showcasing and being drafted argument is valid. The value of Henry was that he extended the Marquette chain of NBA talent into the Wojo Era. This helps in getting us on the radar of top level talent who have those aspirations. The 20 wins that year also helped us escape from the notion of being in a rebuild ( other than Mr. Dodds who says we are still rebuilding). Henry was essential in getting those victories.
I really really hope we are still rebuilding. If being an unranked bubble team isn't rebuild mode I'm scared for the future.
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Yes this is, in my eyes, the last year of the rebuild. If we are not consistently ranked (or just outside the top 25) next year I will begin to worry, but everything we are seeing thus far is pointing in the right direction.
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Yes this is, in my eyes, the last year of the rebuild. If we are not consistently ranked (or just outside the top 25) next year I will begin to worry, but everything we are seeing thus far is pointing in the right direction.
I look at next year as the last year of the rebuild. It's the last of the "five years to judge" mantra and will have his first class of recruits (well...Heldt) as seniors. It should show us some of the rebuilding results, but I think once we get past that we're fully out of rebuild mode.
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I look at next year as the last year of the rebuild. It's the last of the "five years to judge" mantra and will have his first class of recruits (well...Heldt) as seniors. It should show us some of the rebuilding results, but I think once we get past that we're fully out of rebuild mode.
I view this as Year 2 of the rebuild. First two years were mostly wasted as I have mentioned in the past. Matt and Sacar are the only two left (I guess one could argue Andrew), but are they building blocks?
Next year will be fun if we get a great senior transfer PG. If not, the following year will be the "it" year.
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I ran the simulator through Teamcast on T-rank
By beating Belmont and DePaul, we went from the 26th team not in to the 19th.
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Yeah we weren’t really even remotely close to the bubble. Heck, we missed the NIT. I don’t think 1 bad home win and 1 “meh” home win changed our NCAA Tournament outlook.
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If a Senior-laden team won close games like that, many here and in the media would compliment the grit shown by an "experienced" group of players who "never get rattled by the end of game situations".
But flip the agenda and its called "lucky" that those games were won by Marquette.
Tell all this nonsense about an "agenda" to Pomeroy or Sagerin. To win 20 in a power 6 conference yet barely make their top 100 a team needs two things - good luck and an easy schedule. That #97 Marquette team had both in spades.
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He enrolled at UNC?
Bing! Bing! Bing!