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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Ike is a GOD on January 16, 2018, 12:30:24 PM
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How many of the current MUBB players will eventually make it to the NBA? I'm starting to worry about M2N leaving next year. What do you guys think?
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M2N won't leave next year
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M2N won't leave next year
Junior year?
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How is this an "Ike question"?
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This is weird. Strange question. Weird topic for the question.
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How is this an "Ike question"?
Because the poster's name is IKE...I guess?
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Thanks for joining the board Mr. Gard. I hope you find the answers you're looking for.
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Because the poster's name is IKE...I guess?
IKEEKE69 to be exact ?-(
I guess Ike's wondering if enough guys will declare early for him to move up the depth chart.
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Gold digger wondering if an Ike 69 could lead to some paper in her future?
Wow the name change really killed my joke
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This is weird. Strange question. Weird topic for the question.
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Weird lol
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Time to archive the NM thread? This one has potential.
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Quickest poster name change in the history of Scoop?
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Time to archive the NM thread? This one has potential.
LOL! Go for it
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Quickest poster name change in the history of Scoop?
Im actually lauging out loud
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Time to archive the NM thread? This one has potential.
We can merge them. Here goes...
What is Ike's opinion of Arby's?
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We can merge them. Here goes...
What is Ike's opinion of Arby's?
looks like the poster is brand new as well. Prolly just a bandwagon after the depaul win
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looks like the poster is brand new as well. Prolly just a bandwagon after the depaul win
And here I thought he was bored while recovering from surgery.
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How many of the current MUBB players will eventually make it to the NBA? I'm starting to worry about M2N leaving next year. What do you guys think?
M2N and Rowsey would need to improve their defense to make it. Sam most likely will eventually make it. Down the road Greg Elliott could make it if he could get continue on his same trajectory and increased his weight to the 210 pound range of muscle. Similarly, if Jamal continues his trajectory he could make the league as well if he could get up to about 230 of muscle.
Everyone else could play overseas . Froling could leave early to play in Australia as there is a premium paid for local players there.
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M2N is not old enough for NBA. Rowsey would need to improve his defense to make it. Sam most likely will eventually make it. Down the road Greg Elliott could make it if he could get in the 210 pound range. Jamal could as well if he could get up to about 230.
Everyone else could play overseas . Froling could leave early to play in Australia as there is a premium paid for local players there.
Just to clarify, you think Elliott and Cain make it to the NBA if they simply gain weight? So, if they eat like crazy second semester, they could be drafted?
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Just to clarify, you think Elliott and Cain make it to the NBA if they simply gain weight? So, if they eat like crazy second semester, they could be drafted?
With that rationale, Lloyd Moore should have had a long career.
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M2N is not old enough for NBA.
He will be. You have to turn 19 sometime during the same year as the draft. Markus turns 19 on March 3.
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He will be. You have to turn 19 sometime during the same year as the draft. Markus turns 19 on March 3.
Noted
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How many of the current MUBB players will eventually make it to the NBA? I'm starting to worry about M2N leaving next year. What do you guys think?
Markus ain't going nowhere
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Markus ain't going nowhere
For the record this double negative would mean he is in fact going somewhere
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With that rationale, Lloyd Moore should have had a long career.
Davante should be in the Hall of Fame.
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M2N won't leave next year
Not much of a demand for 5'11" SGs in the NBA.
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Again ...
Markus is nowhere near ready for the NBA. The same was true of Henry. The same was true of Vander.
The same has been true of dozens - maybe hundreds - of players over the last couple of decades who left early for the NBA anyway.
"Readiness" often has little to do with the decision.
I don't know Markus at all. I do not know whom he trusts for advice. I do not know if those people really have his best interests at heart. I do not know how realistic he is about his own chances at the next level. I do not know what his family's financial needs are. I do not know how much a college degree means to him. I do not know how much he likes playing with this group of guys and for this group of coaches.
All of those things, and perhaps a few other things I didn't mention, could have as much to do with any decision Markus makes as "readiness" will.
IMHO, and without breaking down each of their games for the umpteenth time, Sam is far closer to NBA material than Markus is as we sit here today.
If I were Sam - and Markus, for that matter - I would seriously consider doing the NBA evaluation thing after this season as rules allow. Get some honest input from NBA types, and see where you stack up against other potential draft picks. The rules put in place a couple years back would let them return to the MU fold as long as they don't hire agents.
No other Warrior underclassman is within a million miles of testing the NBA waters.
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Sam needs to look at Doug McDermott and realize that he’s not as quick, not as strong, and does not have as quick a release on his shot. He can get there, but not ready yet.
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If I were to guess, I think Sam wants to get at least a year in with his brother, and Markus wants to graduate (which would not surprise me if he did in 3 years) and get some PG experience at this level. Unless one of them drastically blows up down the stretch this year (not ruling that out), I think we get at least one more year of each.
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If I were to guess, I think Sam wants to get at least a year in with his brother, and Markus wants to graduate (which would not surprise me if he did in 3 years) and get some PG experience at this level. Unless one of them drastically blows up down the stretch this year (not ruling that out), I think we get at least one more year of each.
This makes tremendous sense and of course I hope it's how they are looking at it, too.
Markus simply MUST prove he can play PG to be an NBA player. I'm trying to think if there has ever been a 5-11 two-guard with only OK handle and no defensive ability in NBA history, and I'm coming up blank.
Sam needs to look at Doug McDermott and realize that he’s not as quick, not as strong, and does not have as quick a release on his shot. He can get there, but not ready yet.
I agree about the relatively slow release - although he has gotten better at it. Also agree Sam should get physically stronger, but again he has made significant strides there, too. Not sure I agree with McDermott being much quicker afoot, if at all.
I keep going back to Calbert Cheaney as the guy Sam reminds me of the most by body type and skill set. He was an outstanding all-around college player; and though he was never an NBA All-Star, he had a long (13 years), productive pro career.
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All the flak at the beginning of this thread is weird. This is a perfectly normal conversation to have about the leading scorer in the Big East.
Markus doesn't seem to be the type to leave early just because someone got in his ear and inflated his ego. He comes from what seems to be a pretty great family and a strong support system, which can help rule out some of the reasons we see guys head to the NBA early. That being said, I doubt he gets much attention right now. Scouts probably want to see his defense and his ballhandling improve before they'd be willing to take a risk on a 5-11 shooter. I think it's more likely he stays all 4 years than it is that he leaves early, partly due to skillset, mostly due to size.
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I think a decent recent comp for Markus is Frank Mason from Kansas. Same height, Markus is a much better shooter while Mason is a better athlete. But both are more scoring guards, but Mason took on more of a PG role his senior year. But it wasn't a pure PG role, much like Markus' wouldn't be. Mason also was player of the year and wasn't a first round pick. Markus has age going for him, but I don't see him leaving early as he likely wouldn't be a first rounder.
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Can we officially start the J2N watch?
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Can we officially start the J2N watch?
Joey or Jamal? Or maybe (Theo) John?
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If J = Joey, the answer is yes.
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Boys its not 1970. The NBA teams do not care if people are NBA ready. They draft on potential. They have a minor league system now thats doing wonders for many players. The argument of staying in college to improve is a stupid one. The moment you are 100% sure you will be drafted in the first round you leave college. Henry knew this.
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Maybe I'm dense but what does M2N mean? I know it refers to Markus.
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Not much of a demand for 5'11" SGs in the NBA.
True. I think a more reasonable comparable for Howard was Jimmer...and he was 6 ft 2.
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True. I think a more reasonable comparable for Howard was Jimmer...and he was 6 ft 2.
Not even close. Jimmer was high usage but not as efficient as Markus. Jimmer was the definition of a volume shooter.
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Maybe I'm dense but what does M2N mean? I know it refers to Markus.
Markus 2 NBA
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Markus simply MUST prove he can play PG to be an NBA player. I'm trying to think if there has ever been a 5-11 two-guard with only OK handle and no defensive ability in NBA history, and I'm coming up blank.
The guy I thought of under 6' was Tiny Archibald - but while Markus may be a better shooter, he has nowhere near the handle that Tiny did. He had true PG abilities and got into the lane at will against the big trees.
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The guy I thought of under 6' was Tiny Archibald - but while Markus may be a better shooter, he has nowhere near the handle that Tiny did. He had true PG abilities and got into the lane at will against the big trees.
I love Markus ... but he ain't no Tiny Archibald and he never will be.
In 1972-73, Archibald led the entire NBA in scoring (34 ppg) and assists (11.4). Hall of Famer.
I know you weren't saying Markus would be as good as Tiny, only that you thought of Tiny as a 6-footer who could ball, but Archibald was a true PG who could score. Averaged 7.4 assists overr his career.
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I love Markus ... but he ain't no Tiny Archibald and he never will be.
In 1972-73, Archibald led the entire NBA in scoring (34 ppg) and assists (11.4). Hall of Famer.
I know you weren't saying Markus would be as good as Tiny, only that you thought of Tiny as a 6-footer who could ball, but Archibald was a true PG who could score. Averaged 7.4 assists overr his career.
Also Tiny wasn’t actually tiny he was 6-1 and solid . A truly great player.
Actually the NBA player of old who Markus somewhat reminds me of is Milwaukee’s own Downtown Freddie Brown. He was a guy who would get hot and score points from the outside in bunches . A true perimeter player. The 3 pointer came in toward the end of his career. He was not small though.
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They have a minor league system now thats doing wonders for many players.
Honest q .. of the 491 NBA active players today .. how many of them went through the g/d-league?
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ESPN Insider released an updated NBA Draft top 100 ranking this morning. Markus checks in at #39 on the list. Maybe him leaving early isn't as crazy as many want to believe.
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What about a Nate Robinson comparison?
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What about a Nate Robinson comparison?
If Markus could develop Robinson's ball handling ability that would be good. The basic problem with Markus and the NBA is that he is a 2-guard in a point guard body. He has to develop the point skills.
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What about a Nate Robinson comparison?
Nate Robinson is a freak athlete. Way more speed and vertical explosion than Markus.
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I love Markus ... but he ain't no Tiny Archibald and he never will be.
In 1972-73, Archibald led the entire NBA in scoring (34 ppg) and assists (11.4). Hall of Famer.
I know you weren't saying Markus would be as good as Tiny, only that you thought of Tiny as a 6-footer who could ball, but Archibald was a true PG who could score. Averaged 7.4 assists overr his career.
I was going more on size. Tiny was probably in the 60-80 range of all-time greatest players and MH has nowhere near the ball skills or passing skills.
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Markus simply MUST prove he can play PG to be an NBA player. I'm trying to think if there has ever been a 5-11 two-guard with only OK handle and no defensive ability in NBA history, and I'm coming up blank.
The name that came to my mind was Chris Jackson/Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (played at LSU), but I now see he was bit taller (6' 1") than I recalled. An incredibly prolific scorer, but I don't recall his reputation as a ball handler. Left after his sophomore year (had averaged 29 PPG over two years!), and had 10 years in the NBA.
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The name that came to my mind was Chris Jackson/Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (played at LSU), but I now see he was bit taller (6' 1") than I recalled. An incredibly prolific scorer, but I don't recall his reputation as a ball handler. Left after his sophomore year (had averaged 29 PPG over two years!), and had 10 years in the NBA.
Decent comparison, though again he was taller and a little more solid.
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ESPN Insider released an updated NBA Draft top 100 ranking this morning. Markus checks in at #39 on the list. Maybe him leaving early isn't as crazy as many want to believe.
I don't think it's a crazy notion at all.
I personally don't think it would be a wise move on his part, but many in similar situations have take the leap in the past.
For those of us who aren't Insiders, can you provide the list please?
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Decent comparison, though again he was taller and a little more solid.
I'm not sure that I would say he was more solid than Markus, especially at LSU.
Taller, yes.
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This makes tremendous sense and of course I hope it's how they are looking at it, too.
Markus simply MUST prove he can play PG to be an NBA player. I'm trying to think if there has ever been a 5-11 two-guard with only OK handle and no defensive ability in NBA history, and I'm coming up blank.
I agree about the relatively slow release - although he has gotten better at it. Also agree Sam should get physically stronger, but again he has made significant strides there, too. Not sure I agree with McDermott being much quicker afoot, if at all.
I keep going back to Calbert Cheaney as the guy Sam reminds me of the most by body type and skill set. He was an outstanding all-around college player; and though he was never an NBA All-Star, he had a long (13 years), productive pro career.
I think Sam has a bit of Klay Thompson in him too. Perfect mechanics on his shot, right place right time kinda guy.
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Actually one of the college players who very much was similar to Markus was Mike Robinson at Michigan State back in the early/mid 70s.
Robinson was 5-11 maybe 145 Robinson won the Naismith award as a senior in 74. Had a career average of 24.2 a game and 1717 points in 3 seasons( he played when freshman were ineligible). Led the big ten in scoring a couple years. 24.8,25.3 and 22. 8 scoring averages per year and score 10 field goals per game on 46.2 in the pre 3 point Era. A phenomenal shooter who had a very distinct one handed shot. In those days only one team from conference generally made the tournament. So he was never seen on a broader stage nationally.
Robinson was drafted in the 7th round by the Cavaliers and did not make the final cut. I know he ended up in Grand Rapids and did well in life.
http://www.msuspartans.com/genrel/022207aac.html
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Actually one of the college players who very much was similar to Markus was Mike Robinson at Michigan State back in the early/mid 70s.
Robinson was 5-11 maybe 145 Robinson won the Naismith award as a senior in 74. Had a career average of 24.2 a game and 1717 points in 3 seasons( he played when freshman were ineligible). Led the big ten in scoring a couple years. 24.8,25.3 and 22. 8 scoring averages per year and score 10 field goals per game on 46.2 in the pre 3 point Era. A phenomenal shooter who had a very distinct one handed shot. In those days only one team from conference generally made the tournament. So he was never seen on a broader stage nationally.
Robinson was drafted in the 7th round by the Cavaliers and did not make the final cut. I know he ended up in Grand Rapids and did well in life.
http://www.msuspartans.com/genrel/022207aac.html
You are comparing him to a player who played 44 years ago and was drafted in 7th round......
Game has changed just abit since then and only 60 players are drafted in two rounds, and I believe the first 30 are only ones guareenteed money.
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You are comparing him to a player who played 44 years ago and was drafted in 7th round......
Game has changed just abit since then and only 60 players are drafted in two rounds, and I believe the first 30 are only ones guareenteed money.
Same guy who claims wojo messes with player's minds intentionally
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Honest q .. of the 491 NBA active players today .. how many of them went through the g/d-league?
I don't have a clue but marquette itself has Dwight buycks, Vander Blue, Henry Ellenson, and Jamil Wilson. Of that Henry is the first on the true minor league path. I'm sure there's quite a few other 1st round picks in the last 2 years that are doing the same.
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I'm not sure that I would say he was more solid than Markus, especially at LSU.
Taller, yes.
I'm guessing you are too young to have seen Chris Jackson play. He was by far a better player and it's not even close. MH is a better 3-point shooter. Jackson was far better in every other aspect of his game.
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I'm guessing you are too young to have seen Chris Jackson play. He was by far a better player and it's not even close. MH is a better 3-point shooter. Jackson was far better in every other aspect of his game.
Yes, some of these comparisons are just not even close.
Jackson was 6ft1 and played two years at LSU. He was SEC Player of the Year both years and was First Team All American both years. He was the third player drafted, all this with a disability since he had Tourettes Syndrome. I remember watching him at the free throw line and he would have a "twitch"on his face, the analysts calling the game would bring it up and that is the first I ever heard of the disease.
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You are comparing him to a player who played 44 years ago and was drafted in 7th round......
Game has changed just abit since then and only 60 players are drafted in two rounds, and I believe the first 30 are only ones guareenteed money.
I was comparing Markus Favorably to a guy who is on the Mt Rushmore of Michigan State basketball. The NBA reference was purely informational . Yes it was different back then as there was no 3 pointer and the NBA was about giant centers .
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Yes, some of these comparisons are just not even close.
Jackson was 6ft1 and played two years at LSU. He was SEC Player of the Year both years and was First Team All American both years. He was the third player drafted, all this with a disability since he had Tourettes Syndrome. I remember watching him at the free throw line and he would have a "twitch"on his face, the analysts calling the game would bring it up and that is the first I ever heard of the disease.
IIRC, he had Tourette's Disease.
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IIRC, he had Tourette's Disease.
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I was serious, TAMU.
He was also the original "Colin Kaepernik". After he converted to Islam, he refused to stand for the anthem for the same reasons that CK did 20 or so years later
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IIRC, he had Tourette's Disease.
I must be missing something here.......maybe a political spin or something, but seriously the guy suffered with Tourettes Syndrome and did fine.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/tourette-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20350465
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I was serious, TAMU.
Which is funny because in the post you quoted there was this:
Yes, some of these comparisons are just not even close.
Jackson was 6ft1 and played two years at LSU. He was SEC Player of the Year both years and was First Team All American both years. He was the third player drafted, all this with a disability since he had Tourettes Syndrome. I remember watching him at the free throw line and he would have a "twitch"on his face, the analysts calling the game would bring it up and that is the first I ever heard of the disease.
;D
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IIRC, he had Tourette's Disease.
As someone who actually has tourettes...it's syndrome, or simply TS.
Also TS isn't a BFD to athletes I never tic during fights, or Hurling and didn't when I played lacrosse either. Tim Howard the goalie for USA soccer has TS and when I've spoken to him he can relate it allows us to focus in.
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PLAYER POS TEAM AGE HEIGHT WINGSPAN
1. Luka Doncic PG Real Madrid 18.8 6-8 N/A
2. Deandre Ayton C Arizona 19.4 7-0 7-5
3. Marvin Bagley III PF/C Duke 18.8 6-11 7-0½
4. Mohamed Bamba C Texas 19.6 7-0 7-9
5. Michael Porter Jr. SF/PF Missouri 19.5 6-10 7-0
6. Trae Young PG Oklahoma 19.3 6-2 6-4
7. Jaren Jackson Jr. PF/C Michigan St 18.3 6-10 7-4
8. Collin Sexton PG Alabama 19.0 6-2 6-7
9. Miles Bridges SF/PF Michigan St 19.8 6-6 6-9
10. Mikal Bridges SF Villanova 21.3 6-7 7-1½
11. Kevin Knox SF/PF Kentucky 18.4 6-9 7-0
12. Robert Williams PF/C Texas A&M 20.2 6-9 7-5½
13. Daniel Gafford PF/C Arkansas 19.2 6-11 7-2
14. Wendell Carter Jr. C Duke 18.7 6-10 7-3
15. Dzanan Musa SF Cedevita 18.6 6-9 6-8½
16. Troy Brown SG Oregon 18.4 6-7 7-6
17. Lonnie Walker IV SG Miami FL 19.0 6-4 6-10½
18. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander PG/SG Kentucky 19.5 6-6 7-0
19. Bruce Brown SG Miami FL 21.4 6-3 6-8½
20. Chandler Hutchison SG Boise St 21.7 6-7 N/A
21. Mitchell Robinson C N/A 19.8 6-11 7-4
22. Anfernee Simons SG Team Breakdown 18.6 6-4 6-7
23. Trevon Duval PG Duke 19.4 6-3 6-3½
24. Hamidou Diallo SG Kentucky 19.4 6-5 7-0
25. Shake Milton PG/SG SMU 21.3 6-6 7-0
26. De'Anthony Melton PG/SG USC 19.6 6-3 6-8
27. Keita Bates-Diop SF Ohio St 21.9 6-7 N/A
28. Brandon McCoy C UNLV 19.6 6-11 7-1½
29. Khyri Thomas SG Creighton 21.6 6-3 N/A
30. Jontay Porter C Missouri 18.1 6-10 7-0
31. Justin Jackson SF/PF Maryland 20.9 6-7 7-3
32. Jarrey Foster SG SMU 21.1 6-6 N/A
33. Rodions Kurucs SF/PF Barcelona 2 19.9 6-10 N/A
34. Jalen Hudson SG Florida 21.6 6-5 N/A
35. Grayson Allen SG Duke 22.2 6-4 6-6½
36. Chimezie Metu PF/C USC 20.8 6-10 6-10½
37. Jevon Carter PG West Virginia 22.3 6-2 6-3
38. Devonte' Graham PG Kansas 22.9 6-2 N/A
39. Markus Howard PG Marquette 18.8 6-0 6-0
40. Landry Shamet PG Wichita St 20.8 6-4 N/A
41. Marko Simonovic PF/C Siena 18.2 7-0 N/A
42. Aaron Holiday PG UCLA 21.2 6-1 6-6
43. Jacob Evans SF Cincinnati 20.5 6-6 N/A
44. Nickeil Alexander-Walker PG Virginia Tech 19.3 6-5 6-9
45. Austin Wiley C Auburn 19.0 6-11 7-5
46. Goga Bitadze C Mega Bemax 18.4 6-11 7-2
47. Tyus Battle SG/SF Syracuse 20.3 6-7 6-8
48. O'Shae Brissett PF Syracuse 19.5 6-9 6-11
49. Rawle Alkins SG Arizona 20.2 6-5 6-9
50. Jarred Vanderbilt SF Kentucky 18.7 6-8 7-1
51. Nick Richards C Kentucky 20.1 6-11 7-5
52. PJ Washington PF Kentucky 19.4 6-8 7-3
53. Kevin Hervey SF Texas Arlington 21.5 6-7 N/A
54. Brian Bowen SF N/A 19.2 6-7 6-9
55. Arnoldas Kulboka SF Capo D'Orlando 20.0 6-10 6-11
56. Bonzie Colson PF Notre Dame 22.0 6-5 6-11½
57. Isaac Bonga SF Frankfurt 18.1 6-9 7-0
58. Allonzo Trier SG Arizona 22.0 6-5 6-7
59. Jalen Brunson PG Villanova 21.3 6-2 6-3½
60. Amine Noua PF Villeurbanne 20.9 6-8 N/A
61. Lagerald Vick SF Kansas 21.0 6-5 N/A
62. Aleksa Radanov SG FMP 19.9 6-8 N/A
63. Tony Carr PG Penn St 20.2 6-3 6-8
64. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk SG Kansas 20.6 6-8 6-5
65. Ethan Happ PF/C Wisconsin 21.6 6-10 N/A
66. Vincent Edwards SF Purdue 21.7 6-8 7-0
67. Terence Davis SG Mississippi 20.6 6-4 N/A
68. Kostas Antetokounmpo SF Dayton 20.1 6-10 7-2
69. Tryggvi Hlinason C Valencia 20.2 7-1 N/A
70. Abdoulaye N'doye PG Cholet 19.8 6-7 7-2
71. Tadas Sedekerskis SF Nevezis 20.0 6-10 6-9½
72. Alize Johnson PF Missouri St 21.7 6-9 N/A
73. Ray Spalding PF Louisville 20.8 6-10 7-1
74. Donta Hall PF/C Alabama 20.4 6-9 7-4
75. Rui Hachimura PF Gonzaga 19.9 6-8 N/A
76. Moritz Wagner C Michigan 20.7 6-11 7-0
77. DJ Hogg SF/PF Texas A&M 21.3 6-9 6-10½
78. Matur Maker C Team Loaded VA 20.0 6-10 7-2
79. Isaac Haas C Purdue 22.2 7-2 7-4
80. Matisse Thybulle SG Washington 20.8 6-5 N/A
81. Jordan Murphy PF Minnesota 20.8 6-6 N/A
82. Kostja Mushidi SG Mega Bemax 19.5 6-5 7-1
83. Karim Jallow SF Bayern Muenchen 20.7 6-7 6-8
84. Vasilis Charalampopoulos PF PAOK 21.0 6-9 N/A
85. Malik Pope SF San Diego St 21.4 6-10 7-2
86. Bryant Crawford PG Wake Forest 20.8 6-3 6-7
87. D'Marcus Simonds PG/SG Georgia St 20.2 6-3 N/A
88. Aric Holman PF/C Mississippi St. 20.5 6-10 N/A
89. Josh Okogie SG Georgia Tech 19.3 6-4 7-0
90. Maximo Fjellerup SF/PF Bahia Blanca 20.1 6-7 N/A
91. Elie Okobo PG Pau-Orthez 20.2 6-3 N/A
92. Vanja Marinkovic SG Partizan 21.0 6-7 6-7
93. Dakota Mathias SG Purdue 22.5 6-4 N/A
94. Jeffrey Carroll SF Oklahoma St 23.2 6-6 6-6½
95. Omer Yurtseven C N.C. State 19.5 7-0 7-1
96. Donte Grantham SF Clemson 22.8 6-8 N/A
97. Viny Okouo C Malaga 20.7 7-2 N/A
98. Tyler Hall SG Montana St 20.8 6-4 N/A
99. Milik Yarbrough SG/SF Illinois St 22.2 6-6 N/A
100. Theo Pinson SF North Carolina 22.2 6-6 6-11
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Again, I don't want to sound like I'm rippin' on Markus because I'm not ...
But is he REALLY a better NBA candidate than Brunson is?
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PLAYER POS TEAM AGE HEIGHT WINGSPAN
1. Luka Doncic PG Real Madrid 18.8 6-8 N/A
2. Deandre Ayton C Arizona 19.4 7-0 7-5
3. Marvin Bagley III PF/C Duke 18.8 6-11 7-0½
4. Mohamed Bamba C Texas 19.6 7-0 7-9
5. Michael Porter Jr. SF/PF Missouri 19.5 6-10 7-0
6. Trae Young PG Oklahoma 19.3 6-2 6-4
7. Jaren Jackson Jr. PF/C Michigan St 18.3 6-10 7-4
8. Collin Sexton PG Alabama 19.0 6-2 6-7
9. Miles Bridges SF/PF Michigan St 19.8 6-6 6-9
10. Mikal Bridges SF Villanova 21.3 6-7 7-1½
11. Kevin Knox SF/PF Kentucky 18.4 6-9 7-0
12. Robert Williams PF/C Texas A&M 20.2 6-9 7-5½
13. Daniel Gafford PF/C Arkansas 19.2 6-11 7-2
14. Wendell Carter Jr. C Duke 18.7 6-10 7-3
15. Dzanan Musa SF Cedevita 18.6 6-9 6-8½
16. Troy Brown SG Oregon 18.4 6-7 7-6
17. Lonnie Walker IV SG Miami FL 19.0 6-4 6-10½
18. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander PG/SG Kentucky 19.5 6-6 7-0
19. Bruce Brown SG Miami FL 21.4 6-3 6-8½
20. Chandler Hutchison SG Boise St 21.7 6-7 N/A
21. Mitchell Robinson C N/A 19.8 6-11 7-4
22. Anfernee Simons SG Team Breakdown 18.6 6-4 6-7
23. Trevon Duval PG Duke 19.4 6-3 6-3½
24. Hamidou Diallo SG Kentucky 19.4 6-5 7-0
25. Shake Milton PG/SG SMU 21.3 6-6 7-0
26. De'Anthony Melton PG/SG USC 19.6 6-3 6-8
27. Keita Bates-Diop SF Ohio St 21.9 6-7 N/A
28. Brandon McCoy C UNLV 19.6 6-11 7-1½
29. Khyri Thomas SG Creighton 21.6 6-3 N/A
30. Jontay Porter C Missouri 18.1 6-10 7-0
31. Justin Jackson SF/PF Maryland 20.9 6-7 7-3
32. Jarrey Foster SG SMU 21.1 6-6 N/A
33. Rodions Kurucs SF/PF Barcelona 2 19.9 6-10 N/A
34. Jalen Hudson SG Florida 21.6 6-5 N/A
35. Grayson Allen SG Duke 22.2 6-4 6-6½
36. Chimezie Metu PF/C USC 20.8 6-10 6-10½
37. Jevon Carter PG West Virginia 22.3 6-2 6-3
38. Devonte' Graham PG Kansas 22.9 6-2 N/A
39. Markus Howard PG Marquette 18.8 6-0 6-0
40. Landry Shamet PG Wichita St 20.8 6-4 N/A
41. Marko Simonovic PF/C Siena 18.2 7-0 N/A
42. Aaron Holiday PG UCLA 21.2 6-1 6-6
43. Jacob Evans SF Cincinnati 20.5 6-6 N/A
44. Nickeil Alexander-Walker PG Virginia Tech 19.3 6-5 6-9
45. Austin Wiley C Auburn 19.0 6-11 7-5
46. Goga Bitadze C Mega Bemax 18.4 6-11 7-2
47. Tyus Battle SG/SF Syracuse 20.3 6-7 6-8
48. O'Shae Brissett PF Syracuse 19.5 6-9 6-11
49. Rawle Alkins SG Arizona 20.2 6-5 6-9
50. Jarred Vanderbilt SF Kentucky 18.7 6-8 7-1
51. Nick Richards C Kentucky 20.1 6-11 7-5
52. PJ Washington PF Kentucky 19.4 6-8 7-3
53. Kevin Hervey SF Texas Arlington 21.5 6-7 N/A
54. Brian Bowen SF N/A 19.2 6-7 6-9
55. Arnoldas Kulboka SF Capo D'Orlando 20.0 6-10 6-11
56. Bonzie Colson PF Notre Dame 22.0 6-5 6-11½
57. Isaac Bonga SF Frankfurt 18.1 6-9 7-0
58. Allonzo Trier SG Arizona 22.0 6-5 6-7
59. Jalen Brunson PG Villanova 21.3 6-2 6-3½
60. Amine Noua PF Villeurbanne 20.9 6-8 N/A
61. Lagerald Vick SF Kansas 21.0 6-5 N/A
62. Aleksa Radanov SG FMP 19.9 6-8 N/A
63. Tony Carr PG Penn St 20.2 6-3 6-8
64. Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk SG Kansas 20.6 6-8 6-5
65. Ethan Happ PF/C Wisconsin 21.6 6-10 N/A
66. Vincent Edwards SF Purdue 21.7 6-8 7-0
67. Terence Davis SG Mississippi 20.6 6-4 N/A
68. Kostas Antetokounmpo SF Dayton 20.1 6-10 7-2
69. Tryggvi Hlinason C Valencia 20.2 7-1 N/A
70. Abdoulaye N'doye PG Cholet 19.8 6-7 7-2
71. Tadas Sedekerskis SF Nevezis 20.0 6-10 6-9½
72. Alize Johnson PF Missouri St 21.7 6-9 N/A
73. Ray Spalding PF Louisville 20.8 6-10 7-1
74. Donta Hall PF/C Alabama 20.4 6-9 7-4
75. Rui Hachimura PF Gonzaga 19.9 6-8 N/A
76. Moritz Wagner C Michigan 20.7 6-11 7-0
77. DJ Hogg SF/PF Texas A&M 21.3 6-9 6-10½
78. Matur Maker C Team Loaded VA 20.0 6-10 7-2
79. Isaac Haas C Purdue 22.2 7-2 7-4
80. Matisse Thybulle SG Washington 20.8 6-5 N/A
81. Jordan Murphy PF Minnesota 20.8 6-6 N/A
82. Kostja Mushidi SG Mega Bemax 19.5 6-5 7-1
83. Karim Jallow SF Bayern Muenchen 20.7 6-7 6-8
84. Vasilis Charalampopoulos PF PAOK 21.0 6-9 N/A
85. Malik Pope SF San Diego St 21.4 6-10 7-2
86. Bryant Crawford PG Wake Forest 20.8 6-3 6-7
87. D'Marcus Simonds PG/SG Georgia St 20.2 6-3 N/A
88. Aric Holman PF/C Mississippi St. 20.5 6-10 N/A
89. Josh Okogie SG Georgia Tech 19.3 6-4 7-0
90. Maximo Fjellerup SF/PF Bahia Blanca 20.1 6-7 N/A
91. Elie Okobo PG Pau-Orthez 20.2 6-3 N/A
92. Vanja Marinkovic SG Partizan 21.0 6-7 6-7
93. Dakota Mathias SG Purdue 22.5 6-4 N/A
94. Jeffrey Carroll SF Oklahoma St 23.2 6-6 6-6½
95. Omer Yurtseven C N.C. State 19.5 7-0 7-1
96. Donte Grantham SF Clemson 22.8 6-8 N/A
97. Viny Okouo C Malaga 20.7 7-2 N/A
98. Tyler Hall SG Montana St 20.8 6-4 N/A
99. Milik Yarbrough SG/SF Illinois St 22.2 6-6 N/A
100. Theo Pinson SF North Carolina 22.2 6-6 6-11
A certain somebody made the list.... :)
Not too late to recruit younger brother Alex...
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A certain somebody made the list.... :)
Not too late to recruit younger brother Alex...
He did. I wonder how many other 3rd men off the bench for mid majors with .500 records made the list? It's amazing what a famous older brother will do for you.
The younger brother actually starts for his HS team so he might be worth a look.
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I'll give it right back to you, jerkoff. It was an honest mistake using disease instead of syndrome. 100% unintentional.
I apologize to anyone who was offended by my mistake except for any jerk who tells me F you.
No offense here. I was just poking fun at you quoting a post about him having Tourette's and then saying "I think he had Tourette's IIRC"
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Markus simply MUST prove he can play PG to be an NBA player. I'm trying to think if there has ever been a 5-11 two-guard with only OK handle and no defensive ability in NBA history, and I'm coming up blank.
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Agree.
The best modern comparison is JJ Barea. Again more of a natural PG but really a 2 in a PG size package...
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I'm guessing you are too young to have seen Chris Jackson play. He was by far a better player and it's not even close. MH is a better 3-point shooter. Jackson was far better in every other aspect of his game.
In fact, I'm older than him (graduated MU in '88). So, if I'm wrong, it's because my memory is not what it once was, not because I didn't see him play.
My recollection (which was not corrected, due to a lack of statistics), is that Jackson (in college) was a superstar on offense, but not much on defense. He was an incredible shooter. He wasn't that tall (though the numbers show his height taller than Howard). Perhaps he had a better handle and more of a true point guard than Howard.
I didn't say Jackson was a perfect comparison to Howard, but was trying to help MU82 come up with someone similar. Nothing more than that.
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Again, I don't want to sound like I'm rippin' on Markus because I'm not ...
But is he REALLY a better NBA candidate than Brunson is?
this is all based on potential. Howard is younger
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Again, I don't want to sound like I'm rippin' on Markus because I'm not ...
But is he REALLY a better NBA candidate than Brunson is?
That's what jumped out at me as well. Brunson has ridiculous instincts/hoops IQ and is far more athletic than people generally think. He tends to move around slowly on the court, but if you watch him closely, he is actually quite quick when he wants to get around someone to go to the hoop or for a kickout. He lulls people to sleep a bit. I watched him play up close many times in high school and finally caught on that his frame and general body language is deceptive. He put down a dunk easily when I would have guessed there was no way he could dunk at that time. His body is leaner and stronger now than it was then. I think Brunson will be an outstanding NBA player for a decade. I'm really surprised where he is on that list.
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Again, I don't want to sound like I'm rippin' on Markus because I'm not ...
But is he REALLY a better NBA candidate than Brunson is?
Wow didn't realize how low they had Brunson. That's madness. I hate playing against that guy but sheesh, he is really a joy to watch.
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That's what jumped out at me as well. Brunson has ridiculous instincts/hoops IQ and is far more athletic than people generally think. He tends to move around slowly on the court, but if you watch him closely, he is actually quite quick when he wants to get around someone to go to the hoop or for a kickout. He lulls people to sleep a bit. I watched him play up close many times in high school and finally caught on that his frame and general body language is deceptive. He put down a dunk easily when I would have guessed there was no way he could dunk at that time. His body is leaner and stronger now than it was then. I think Brunson will be an outstanding NBA player for a decade. I'm really surprised where he is on that list.
Agree totally with this. Brunson will have a long pro career.
The best modern comparison is JJ Barea. Again more of a natural PG but really a 2 in a PG size package...
This is a very good comparison - similar size and game.
Barea's scoring at Northeastern is similar to that of Markus. Markus shot a much better percentage, but Barea averaged about 8 assists over his final 2 years.
Even though Barea was a high-turnover guy, I think he generally proved he could handle PG duties. That's what Markus almost surely will have to show NBA GMs, too.
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JJ Barea was jet quick. I still don't have a great comparison for Howard. Maybe a modern day Butch Lee with a 3 point shot? But Butch was before my time so I have to defer to the old timers.
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JJ Barea was jet quick. I still don't have a great comparison for Howard. Maybe a modern day Butch Lee with a 3 point shot? But Butch was before my time so I have to defer to the old timers.
No no Butch was an all around playa, I know I'm biased but.... almost beat the powerful US Olympic team by himself if it wasn't for a bs call. He would have had a good NBA career if it wasn't for the knee injury he suffered was averaging 20+ minutes per game prior.
http://top10busts.com/2015/02/injury-exemption-butch-lee/
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Isaiah Thomas is a 5'9" volume shooting PG that plays no D... and he finished 5th in the MVP race last year for the Eastern conference 1 seed. Surprised he hasn't been brought up as a comp (unless I missed it).
He went from a 19.5% assist rate his sophomore year (compared to Markus' 20% this year) to 32.7% as a junior then bounced early entrant. Yes he was the last pick in the draft, but he set the template proving a guy like that could have NBA success, and Markus is just a better player at the same stage of their careers. If Markus can up that assist rate next year (no doubt he'll work on that all summer), then I'd say the chances he leaves early are high.
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Isaiah Thomas is a 5'9" volume shooting PG that plays no D... and he finished 5th in the MVP race last year for the Eastern conference 1 seed. Surprised he hasn't been brought up as a comp (unless I missed it).
He went from a 19.5% assist rate his sophomore year (compared to Markus' 20% this year) to 32.7% as a junior then bounced early entrant. Yes he was the last pick in the draft, but he set the template proving a guy like that could have NBA success, and Markus is just a better player at the same stage of their careers. If Markus can up that assist rate next year (no doubt he'll work on that all summer), then I'd say the chances he leaves early are high.
Several of us have said that Markus has to prove he can play PG.
Unless Wojo brings in a grad transfer or unless a healthy Elliott makes a significant leap, Wojo will have no choice next year but to let Markus try to prove it.
I wonder if Vander's basketball life would have gone any differently if he had a great senior season in which he proved he could play PG. Maybe not ... but maybe.
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Knot for sure why wee can't all bee fookin' friends here, doe, aina?
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You call it a disease like we're leppers and feel entitled to tell me to f*ck off? Own your bull sh*t and shut up.
How about taking the "education" route next time instead of the "swearing and flying off the handle" route.