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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 1SE on January 16, 2018, 07:19:40 AM
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Mini-poll for this crucial stretch. Of course if we go 4-0 there's going to be a plethora of boys born in 9 months named Wojo. 3-1 is almost as good and, let's not kid ourselves, 2-2 with a win over one of the big boys will have us all smiling. And of course 0-4 will bring the "fire" posts back to the front page, while picking up just 1 against Butler or Providence puts us in a tough spot. But what about the creamy middle - what would you prefer (not necessarily what you think is most likely)?
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Poll option added.
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Poll option added.
Lol.
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Go Marquette!
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I'm kind of surprised by the direction of the responses - is the bid really going to be that much of a bean counting exercise? Do you think the committee really prefers 10-8 (19-11) with SH as best win to 9-9 (18-12) with a top-10(ish) road win or a home victory over a (maybe still) #1?
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I'll be honest, less than 3-1 will leave me disappointed. Not mad or "fire Wojo," but disappointed. I think we should win against the middle at home and think getting at least one against Xavier and Nova is something realistically attainable.
The bid is a bean counting exercise. 8 league wins, probably out. 9 league wins, probably in. 10 league wins, stone cold lock. If we get the four remaining against St John's, Georgetown, and DePaul, it'll just take 1-2 more wins to assure our bid. Personally, I still think 12 Big East wins is on the table.
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I'm kind of surprised by the direction of the responses - is the bid really going to be that much of a bean counting exercise? Do you think the committee really prefers 10-8 (19-11) with SH as best win to 9-9 (18-12) with a top-10(ish) road win or a home victory over a (maybe still) #1?
Both of your scenarios probably get us in. I voted 2-2 because you take the wins where you can get em in this league. We won't be faulted for losing to Nova or @Xavier. We might be docked for losing home games to Butler and Providence.
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If we go 4-0, I'll name my next child Teve. He has to earn the right to share a name with Coach.
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2-2, but I would happily exchange one of the wins for one against Xavier or Nova :)
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If we go 4-0, I'll name my next child Teve. He has to earn the right to share a name with Coach.
Name him Wojciechowski. Go big.
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2-2, but I would happily exchange one of the wins for one against Xavier or Nova :)
Right, I said 2-2, but don't really care where the 2 come from, and which 2 we drop. Ok, I care a lot, but 2-2 is my hope over the next 4.
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I'll be honest, less than 3-1 will leave me disappointed. Not mad or "fire Wojo," but disappointed. I think we should win against the middle at home and think getting at least one against Xavier and Nova is something realistically attainable.
The bid is a bean counting exercise. 8 league wins, probably out. 9 league wins, probably in. 10 league wins, stone cold lock. If we get the four remaining against St John's, Georgetown, and DePaul, it'll just take 1-2 more wins to assure our bid. Personally, I still think 12 Big East wins is on the table.
Based on the data set we have now, I think 9-9 is the floor and 12-6 is the ceiling....and the roof is whatever it is, with those outcomes it's an NCAA bid one way or another.
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Based on the data set we have now, I think 9-9 is the floor and 12-6 is the ceiling....and the roof is whatever it is, with those outcomes it's an NCAA bid one way or another.
So Eng, I'm not going to go back and study your 'optimistic' season prediction but are we on or ahead of your pace?
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2-2 and it’s not close. Losing to both Providence and Butler puts us on the 9-9 track, with a disadvantage versus Butler (0-2) and Providence (1-1 but with win when best player was sick). With 2-2, MU needs just to defend home court and win two of three road games versus DePaul, Georgetown and St. John’s to hit 10-8, which almost certainly gets them in.
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So Eng, I'm not going to go back and study your 'optimistic' season prediction but are we on or ahead of your pace?
Actually on pace, I said we could get to 11-7 and a top 4 conference finish. I think that's less likely than not, but it is definitely attainable if we can beat Butler and Creighton at least once each and maybe sweep Seton Hall.
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Actually on pace, I said we could get to 11-7 and a top 4 conference finish. I think that's less likely than not, but it is definitely attainable if we can beat Butler and Creighton at least once each and maybe sweep Seton Hall.
You were really THAT optimistic? Wow. That would be great. But limiting ourselves to 4 more losses does seem possible. Perhaps not probable but I can see it if we meet expectations at home.
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You were really THAT optimistic? Wow. That would be great. But limiting ourselves to 4 more losses does seem possible. Perhaps not probable but I can see it if we meet expectations at home.
Yep, broken clocks are also right twice a day.
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Why isn’t NM an option?
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@Xavier a win? They are 9 point favorites for a reason.
Nova a win? Lightning striking twice?
Butler? Butler is Marquette's kryptonite. Butler has owned us, 10 of the last 13 games.
Providence? Best chance. Sure hope Markus can drop 52 again by then, though.
Easily could be 1-3.
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@Xavier a win? They are 9 point favorites for a reason.
Nova a win? Lightning striking twice?
Butler? Butler is Marquette's kryptonite. Butler has owned us, 10 of the last 13 games.
Providence? Best chance. Sure hope Markus can drop 52 again by then, though.
Easily could be 1-3.
Did anyone who voted in this think we'd go this stretch at 0-4?
Performing below expectations.
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Did anyone who voted in this think we'd go this stretch at 0-4?
Performing below expectations.
Yes.
And I could pretty much use the same post for today's "thoughts" thread. Theo, check. Hero ball from the tiny guards, check.
I'm feeling a 4 game losing streak here. No bueno.
Xavier is very, very good.
Theo should start and he should play until he fouls out. At least he's willing to hit somebody and fight for the rebound. Have him in there for as long as he can be in before he fouls out and at least set the tone for guys driving freely down the lane. Then maybe they'll at least fool themselves into thinking someone is going to put them on their a$$ if they sprint down the lane even when Theo isn't on the court.
Rowsey...ugh. While Howard scored a lot and made some very tough shots, in my opinion he was pretty ugh too.
We're going to need an immediate impact point guard that can control the offense and get everyone involved next year. If we get that I'm very excited. If we don't I'm very worried (in the sense of I think we can be a top 15 team, but a lack of that will make us more of a 6-9 seed than a 3-6 seed).
We know what the defense is. That's not changing. So I'm more concerned about the offense. Just too much hero ball from Rowsey and Howard. I've said it before, I'll say it again. If one of the two of them want to completely dominate the ball all game, I'm more than happy to watch him go for 30 while the rest of the team goes for 40 total if I’m gameplanning against MU. The ball needs to move. MU can spread the heck out of defenses. But it doesn't matter if one guy is dribbling with his head down the entire possession. The ball moves faster through the air than off the bounce.
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Did anyone who voted in this think we'd go this stretch at 0-4?
Performing below expectations.
Yes 22% of us. That's why I added Arby's as a poll option. #sadtrombone
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Yes 22% of us. That's why I added Arby's as a poll option. #sadtrombone
Ha, in the pre Big East poll, I was the only one who picked them going 7-11. I prayed I was going to be wrong, but now that is a distinct possibility.
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They tried hard!!
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They tried hard!!
thing is, they didn’t until final 4 min
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Well, they had fun then.
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It's too late at night here for me to get out the probability book to calculate, but on the spreadsheet Scoopers picked
11.57% win at X
9.92% win V
88.43% win Butler
89.26% win Providence
Someone calculate odds that Scoop thought MU would lose all 4. Has to be down near 2%??
Also, of the 124 respondents, only 1 had MU losing all 4. "Fan" with no Scoop ID who had MU finished 8th in BE and was only 1 of 4 respondents who thought MU would miss both NIT and NCAA (so likely Badger troll - or Tower)
Meeting expectations?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cgtwJ5tQ86XNkkaHyY_BFS-YqsrzzVkq5pp6Mhpk0WU/edit#gid=2129394686