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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Windyplayer on January 11, 2018, 05:22:19 PM
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So we would be 1-point dogs against Butler at home? Um, I don?t think so. Vegas hasn?t gotten the memo yet...
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It's not an exact science. Home court is usually worth 3 - 4.5 points.
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No, we would be 2-point favorites at home. The 3-point swing goes from a neutral court. So...
MU at Butler (-4)
MU vs Butler (-1)
Butler at MU (-2)
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No, we would be 2-point favorites at home. The 3-point swing goes from a neutral court. So...
MU at Butler (-4)
MU vs Butler (-1)
Butler at MU (-2)
Ah, thank you.
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Actually, prior to the Seton Hall game, I don't think that MU would have been favored at home against Butler. Seton Hall is the start of a resume build, more building is needed.
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I like this line. MU is starting to put it all together and vegas hasn't caught on yet. Anyone have a favorite place to throw down some action?
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So we would be 1-point dogs against Butler at home? Um, I don?t think so. Vegas hasn?t gotten the memo yet...
Uh...Vegas writes the memo.
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Do I think we'll win? yes. everything neutral I'd say 87-81.
However.....this is a team coming off 3 straight L's and going into Providence after us. No way they don't see the implications of a 5L streak. It's a MUST win for them and they will bring their A+ game.
Add to that the fact we have not had a "WTF was that" called game in 10 days and it may be a better W than Seton Hall.
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Uh...Vegas writes the memo.
You are correct. Vegas makes their lines based on what the average bettor's perception is so they can try to balance their books and take the 10% vig. The professional linemakers have large staffs and oftentimes one or two people focus solely on one conference the whole season.
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You are correct. Vegas makes their lines based on what the average bettor's perception is so they can try to balance their books and take the 10% vig. The professional linemakers have large staffs and oftentimes one or two people focus solely on one conference the whole season.
Correction: the average bettor hasn't gotten the memo yet. But, yes, point taken, Vegas doesn't give a damn about that.
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I like this line. MU is starting to put it all together and vegas hasn't caught on yet. Anyone have a favorite place to throw down some action?
I am curious about this myself. I'm not up to speed on state/federal laws governing this business. That being said, feel like I should be able to throw down a $10 bet in Illinois on this game without having to jump through a lot of red tape or have a clandestine encounter with a weathered bookie in a dark alley.
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I am curious about this myself. I'm not up to speed on state/federal laws governing this business. That being said, feel like I should be able to throw down a $10 bet in Illinois on this game without having to jump through a lot of red tape or have a clandestine encounter with a weathered bookie in a dark alley.
Bovada or Bet Online, but there are plenty of online sportsbooks if you really want to get a bet in.
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I am curious about this myself. I'm not up to speed on state/federal laws governing this business. That being said, feel like I should be able to throw down a $10 bet in Illinois on this game without having to jump through a lot of red tape or have a clandestine encounter with a weathered bookie in a dark alley.
Wait about 6 months for SCOTUS to rule on Christie vs NCAA, you'll be able to go to Arlington and bet on MU next season.
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Wait about 6 months for SCOTUS to rule on Christie vs NCAA, you'll be able to go to Arlington and bet on MU next season.
God, dreams can come true.
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I think SH game no fluke. No crest in an up and down season. More like that to come. We beat Butler definitively.
Even though Butler is a good team, Villanova 3 barrage was an outlier. 3 tough losses and a 4th coming Friday. Then a loss at Providence and their confidence might be shot enough to lose 1 against DP or STJ. another loss to MU....I see a Butler death spiral courtesy of Marquette.
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Just like I thought that Wisconsin line was too high (I want to say Wisco -6.5 before King and Trice went down), I also think this line was too high. I was expecting more Butler -1/-2. Feel good about tomorrow and am making the trek south to Indy for it.
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God, dreams can come true.
First round at the Arlington sports book is on me.
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Just like I thought that Wisconsin line was too high (I want to say Wisco -6.5 before King and Trice went down), I also think this line was too high. I was expecting more Butler -1/-2. Feel good about tomorrow and am making the trek south to Indy for it.
Vegas power rankings I use have Butler -1 tomorrow night (that includes 3.5 for home court). MU lines have been odd this year, haven't seen a "true" line in a while.
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You are correct. Vegas makes their lines based on what the average bettor's perception is so they can try to balance their books and take the 10% vig. The professional linemakers have large staffs and oftentimes one or two people focus solely on one conference the whole season.
IT IS ALL ABOUT THE VIG (vigorish), Vegas does not gamble. Have fun suckers.
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Got 5 from my man.
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Bovada or Bet Online, but there are plenty of online sportsbooks if you really want to get a bet in.
Hypothetically speaking, I like mybookie. Website is very easy to use, although not the wide array of props like bovada. Allegedly payout speed similar on both. And mybookie will accept bitcoin as deposit / payout. Or so I am told.
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For reference, Pomeroy has Butler as a 3-point favorite tonight and MU as a 4-point favorite in the latter home game at the BC.
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First round at the Arlington sports book is on me.
I can throw the pre-game party at my house!
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I got +170 locked in.
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Butler will be angry and I can see MU letting down after Tuesday.
I really hope I'm wrong, but I don't see it happenin' tonight.
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I truthfully have zero idea on this being good or bad line tonight. MU is a tricky team this year due to the scoring punch. Over the last month no one has figured out a way to stop all three of our scorers. Fingers crossed that the trend continues.
Another game that if we won or lost by double digits and it would not shock me. That said, I think they might be close to turning the corner for this season and feel they have real chance tonight. Wish I was down there.
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First round at the Arlington sports book is on me.
Deal.
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I got +170 locked in.
Where? That is a good number for basically a pick-em game.
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Where? That is a good number for basically a pick-em game.
I go through a local guy. According to oddsshark, it looks like a lot of books are offering either +160 or +170 depending on if they have the spread at -4 or -4.5.
http://www.oddsshark.com/ncaab/marquette-butler-odds-january-12-2018-913915
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Last year, they beat Villy, then I think they lost 3 out of the next four, somebody can correct me if I am wrong. Hope they can build on the Hall game, this is a key
game to see where they are the rest of the season. Go 4-2 and it makes it much easier to get off the bubble, keep the momentum going.
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I go through a local guy. According to oddsshark, it looks like a lot of books are offering either +160 or +170 depending on if they have the spread at -4 or -4.5.
http://www.oddsshark.com/ncaab/marquette-butler-odds-january-12-2018-913915
Igottagettaguy
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My guy hits me up the moment my account ever goes negative. When I'm up he's pretty hard to get in touch with. I'd much rather have a sports book to go to.
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Where? That is a good number for basically a pick-em game.
Basically a pick em? It's a 4pt spread?
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Basically a pick em? It's a 4pt spread?
I'm seeing +170s and +175s in LV.
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I'm seeing +170s and +175s in LV.
I know vegas is always right, but these spreads vs moneyline odds don't make much sense to me. I'd think the odds Marquette covers and loses the game are quite small compared to the odds that Marquette wins outright. Basically I see no point in taking the points in a spread that's like 6 or less points instead of doing the moneyline. Football is a different story.
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Butler will be angry and I can see MU letting down after Tuesday.
I really hope I'm wrong, but I don't see it happenin' tonight.
I could also see Butler wither after getting punched in the mouth at the outset. Their coach isn't exactly battle-tested at a high level.
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Last year, they beat Villy, then I think they lost 3 out of the next four, somebody can correct me if I am wrong. Hope they can build on the Hall game, this is a key
game to see where they are the rest of the season. Go 4-2 and it makes it much easier to get off the bubble, keep the momentum going.
Other than beating a ranked team at home, I don't correlate the SH win to the Nova win. Remember, MU had to storm back to win that game, probably a little more emotionally invested when all was said and done. The SH win, other than when they came within 1 to open up 2H, was almost a cruise job.
Lose to butler, no big deal. Lose to depaul at home, then you can talk hangover if you want, but I don't see how the two events compare.
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Need this game today, win this and we can potentially go 3-3 in the 6 game stretch
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If the SH game was truly a learning experience, a turning the corner game on defense and driving the ball, then we can continue to do well. The Butler game is a big test - on the road after beating # 13 at home, and after playing one of the most complete games in Wojo?s tenure. Maybe the best,
Let?s keep it going! Get hungry, stay tough and beat Butler! Go Marquette!
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I know vegas is always right, but these spreads vs moneyline odds don't make much sense to me. I'd think the odds Marquette covers and loses the game are quite small compared to the odds that Marquette wins outright. Basically I see no point in taking the points in a spread that's like 6 or less points instead of doing the moneyline. Football is a different story.
I totally get your train of thought here, but they obviously know that the points make a difference. But I admit that I often go with the ML instead of taking a 1pt or 2pt dog.
Also, I think MU at +4.5(hopefully +5) is a nice play tonight. I think Butler is getting too much respect from the books.
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Need this game today, win this and we can potentially go 3-3 in the 6 game stretch
I just think it's important for the re-establishment of this program. We can't be satisfied with a good win here and there. Greatness is for the taking. Seize it, damn it.
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I think people are putting WAY too much stock into a road game against a very good team. Hell, Nova went in there and lost...
To say the program is back or not based off of 1 game is just foolish. I understand a win is very nice for moving MU from bubble to stable...but in 10 years, if Wojo is still here, I rarely see anyone bringing up the great stretch of 2017-18 @Providence, Seton Hall, @Butler stretch.
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I think people are putting WAY too much stock into a road game against a very good team. Hell, Nova went in there and lost...
To say the program is back or not based off of 1 game is just foolish. I understand a win is very nice for moving MU from bubble to stable...but in 10 years, if Wojo is still here, I rarely see anyone bringing up the great stretch of 2017-18 @Providence, Seton Hall, @Butler stretch.
It's an opportunity to pass through a checkpoint.
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I think people are putting WAY too much stock into a road game against a very good team. Hell, Nova went in there and lost...
To say the program is back or not based off of 1 game is just foolish. I understand a win is very nice for moving MU from bubble to stable...but in 10 years, if Wojo is still here, I rarely see anyone bringing up the great stretch of 2017-18 @Providence, Seton Hall, @Butler stretch.
Last year we were blowing them out at halftime and folded up like an accordion. Up 18 in the 2nd half only to lose by 8. A 26 point choke joke on that swing. Got to win on the road in the BE so let?s take care of biz.
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It's an opportunity to pass through a checkpoint.
Can we save it at that point so we don't have to go back?
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Last year we were blowing them out at halftime and folded up like an accordion. Up 18 in the 2nd half only to lose by 8. A 26 point choke joke on that swing. Got to win on the road in the BE so let?s take care of biz.
that's the pep talk right there-remind the boys what they did to us last year.
forget about "great stretch". just win baby!
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If anyone needs "a guy" let me know
I took the moneyline +185
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If anyone needs "a guy" let me know
I took the moneyline +185
I took butler -220 and but $500 on it.
Hopefully this works just like Hall!