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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: auburnmarquette on January 02, 2018, 06:52:37 PM
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I'll take it
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for now I mean - not as a final result
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for now I mean - not as a final result
Doesn't matter now - not even a little.
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If MU deserves to get in, they will.
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Crap ... that's about the 5th time we've had to cancel the rest of the season already!
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Fire Wojo!
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We got this.
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With last weeks brackets ....Given that Butler and Creighton will probably go up at least a seed.....
They were a 7 and a 10......
That does not speak well of our chances given their resumes......
We need this Providence game big time......
And then we have to at least split with both Creighton and Butler to have any kind of chance.....
10-8 min in the conference......
Going to be hard.....We simply have a $hity resume.....
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With last weeks brackets ....Given that Butler and Creighton will probably go up at least a seed.....
They were a 7 and a 10......
That does not speak well of our chances given their resumes......
We need this Providence game big time......
And then we have to at least split with both Creighton and Butler to have any kind of chance.....
10-8 min in the conference......
Going to be hard.....We simply have a $hity resume.....
9-9 and we're in.
We don't have a "$hity resume."
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With last weeks brackets ....Given that Butler and Creighton will probably go up at least a seed.....
They were a 7 and a 10......
That does not speak well of our chances given their resumes......
We need this Providence game big time......
And then we have to at least split with both Creighton and Butler to have any kind of chance.....
10-8 min in the conference......
Going to be hard.....We simply have a $hity resume.....
We 'gone, start the 3 freshmen give 'em experience for next year (teal, duh!)
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With last weeks brackets ....Given that Butler and Creighton will probably go up at least a seed.....
They were a 7 and a 10......
That does not speak well of our chances given their resumes......
We need this Providence game big time......
And then we have to at least split with both Creighton and Butler to have any kind of chance.....
10-8 min in the conference......
Going to be hard.....We simply have a $hity resume.....
There is a lot wrong in this post.
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There is a lot wrong in this post.
I don't think it was too far off. If we don't split with the 2nd tier Big East teams, it could be pretty tough to get in. 9 wins in conference might do it, but 18 wins doesn't usually get you in. If we don't win the home games against Creighton and Butler, we'll need to come up with a big upset or two to have a chance.
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This shouldn't be surprising. MU is somewhere between the 50th and 70th best team in the country.
Hang a banner!
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I don't think it was too far off. If we don't split with the 2nd tier Big East teams, it could be pretty tough to get in. 9 wins in conference might do it, but 18 wins doesn't usually get you in. If we don't win the home games against Creighton and Butler, we'll need to come up with a big upset or two to have a chance.
If he got anything right, it was that the splitting with Creighton and Butler is important. If MU gets swept by one of them, they'll need to steal one elsewhere. Tonight would be considered a steal, but its a game that we could easily win (hence the pick em line).
Based on bracket matrix's 1/1 update, both Creighton and Butler are 7 seeds. Several brackets in that update were before Butler knocked off Nova and Creighton took care of PC at home. Both of those teams are safely in the field right now, but I suspect both will finish between 9-11 wins in the league, and be safely in the field. Prior to Saturday, Marquette's resume was better than Butler's (obviously the Nova win is huge).
Marquette's resume is just fine. Its the resume of a bubble team, but having no bad losses is going to be a big feather in our cap. Unlike previous seasons, SOS is not going to be a concern come March.
Win 9 games and we'll be just fine. Probably a 10 seed. The BE is going to get an minimum 6 teams in the tournament. I see the league breaking out as follows:
The Elite: Nova and X
The next tier: Seton Hall and Creighton (may be closer to tier 3 by seasons end)
The teams fighting for 2 or 3 spots: Butler, Marquette, PC and SJU
Finish ahead of PC and SJU, and I like our chances alot.
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I don't think it was too far off. If we don't split with the 2nd tier Big East teams, it could be pretty tough to get in. 9 wins in conference might do it, but 18 wins doesn't usually get you in. If we don't win the home games against Creighton and Butler, we'll need to come up with a big upset or two to have a chance.
This no matta. Committee is all about dem computer numbers. 9-9 should be good enough barring a BET disaster or a lot bracket busters.
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I'm too old to understand Twitter, so I need one of you young folks to explain.
Should I reserve a hotel room for the Final Four or not?
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I'm too old to understand Twitter, so I need one of you young folks to explain.
Should I reserve a hotel room for the Final Four or not?
Absolutely.
We're just not sure which year.
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There is a lot wrong in this post.
What was that line from Luke in the TLJ? Something like.....everything you said in that last paragraph is wrong. I can't wait until that becomes a gif.
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What was that line from Luke in the TLJ? Something like.....everything you said in that last paragraph is wrong. I can't wait until that becomes a gif.
I don't have mad GIFing skills but
https://imgflip.com/i/21aqbc
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I don't have mad GIFing skills but
https://imgflip.com/i/21aqbc
Thank you. Awesome. Pin it to the top of the page for use whenever necessary.
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What was that line from Luke in the TLJ? Something like.....everything you said in that last paragraph is wrong. I can't wait until that becomes a gif.
I don't think anything can ever beat
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/4e/aa/39/4eaa39ddcb1183ad266c3dc59f231b3c--billy-madison-movie-lines.jpg)
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With conference RPI.....Lunardi is talking 6 from the B East.....
Vill.....X......Hall.....Butler.....Creighton.....are locks right now......
MU.....St. John's......Providence fighting for the last spot.....
Tonight is huge!
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With conference RPI.....Lunardi is talking 6 from the B East.....
Vill.....X......Hall.....Butler.....Creighton.....are locks right now......
MU.....St. John's......Providence fighting for the last spot.....
Tonight is hyuuuuge!
FIFY. We are in the Big East, after all.... ;)
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Absolutely.
We're just not sure which year.
If it’s 2019, I’ll probably have a couple spare bedrooms. Just gotta get the adult kids out by then...
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With conference RPI.....Lunardi is talking 6 from the B East.....
Vill.....X......Hall.....Butler.....Creighton.....are locks right now......
MU.....St. John's......Providence fighting for the last spot.....
Tonight is huge!
Seton Hall, Butler, and Creighton are not locks. There is no "fight for a last spot." It's friggin January 3. We're 2 games into conference play. The Big East could get 6. Or it could get 8. Or it could get 5. Lot of ball game left.
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Seton Hall, Butler, and Creighton are not locks. There is no "fight for a last spot." It's friggin January 3. We're 2 games into conference play. The Big East could get 6. Or it could get 8. Or it could get 5. Lot of ball game left.
+1
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16 games to go. It will sort itself out.
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Crap ... that's about the 5th time we've had to cancel the rest of the season already!
Jock, Tower and MU82 - wow, you are missing even a remedial understanding of how basketball seasons play out I guess. It's the only way to comprehend those 3 statements.
Let's start really slowly - and I apologize for starting with the assumption that anyone who had watched basketball before would understand why it is important to know where you stand in relation to an invite to the NCAA tournament.
If you are 5 to 8 spots out of the tournament based on your games so far, then it means you are close and games are really important because every game moves you higher in relation to the other teams, lower, or you could stay about the same.
So try to follow this next step - getting a big win at Providence tonight means we move closer. Let's say it moved us from the next four out to the first four out. Then if we have a good stretch over the next few games - then we could move up further and be in position to make the tournament. And this will play out all year.
Saying where we stand today is irrelevent would mean it wouldn't matter if we were 50 spots out of the tournament today or a projected no 1 seed. If that statement were true, the today's no. 1 seeds, grambling and Marquette would all be in the same boat - go .500 the rest of the way and they'd all have the same chance at the tournament because where they are now is irrelevent. But just so you know, it that happened, Nova would make the tournament, grambling would not and Marquette might - so today's position is not irrelevant.
That is also why it would not make sense to cancel the rest of the season when you learned you were 5-8 spots out of a bid heading into the tournament game.
I hope this basic understanding of how basketball seasons play out will help you enjoy the rest of the season more with the full understanding that the teams chances will continue to improve or diminish with each game.
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Longest teal ever.
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Brother Auburn, I think they were just poking fun at those that like to declare that we suck or are doomed at the first sign of trouble. No need to insult people's intelligence.
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If it’s 2019, I’ll probably have a couple spare bedrooms. Just gotta get the adult kids out by then...
Dibs. I used to work at two men and a truck so....willing to help with the kids situation if needed.
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Bracketology updated today... still listed as Next 4 Out for now
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
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He currently has Virginia the #8 ranked team in the country (12-1) as next four out. Ill take what he says worth a grain of salt.
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He currently has Virginia the #8 ranked team in the country (12-1) as next four out. Ill take what he says worth a grain of salt.
Supposed to be Va. Tech. In the actual bracket he has Virginia as a 2 seed.
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Jock, Tower and MU82 - wow, you are missing even a remedial understanding of how basketball seasons play out I guess. It's the only way to comprehend those 3 statements.
Let's start really slowly - and I apologize for starting with the assumption that anyone who had watched basketball before would understand why it is important to know where you stand in relation to an invite to the NCAA tournament.
If you are 5 to 8 spots out of the tournament based on your games so far, then it means you are close and games are really important because every game moves you higher in relation to the other teams, lower, or you could stay about the same.
So try to follow this next step - getting a big win at Providence tonight means we move closer. Let's say it moved us from the next four out to the first four out. Then if we have a good stretch over the next few games - then we could move up further and be in position to make the tournament. And this will play out all year.
Saying where we stand today is irrelevent would mean it wouldn't matter if we were 50 spots out of the tournament today or a projected no 1 seed. If that statement were true, the today's no. 1 seeds, grambling and Marquette would all be in the same boat - go .500 the rest of the way and they'd all have the same chance at the tournament because where they are now is irrelevent. But just so you know, it that happened, Nova would make the tournament, grambling would not and Marquette might - so today's position is not irrelevant.
That is also why it would not make sense to cancel the rest of the season when you learned you were 5-8 spots out of a bid heading into the tournament game.
I hope this basic understanding of how basketball seasons play out will help you enjoy the rest of the season more with the full understanding that the teams chances will continue to improve or diminish with each game.
Holy crap, you should see your doctor about your severe humor deficiency/excess pomposity issue, he may be able to help.
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Bracketology updated today... still listed as Next 4 Out for now
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Forgive my ignorance, but bracketology is an "if the season ended today" thing, yes? If so, I would imagine that mid major teams tend to gradually trend down because losing a couple of games in those weaker conferences hurts them more than playing .500+ ball in the major conferences?
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Puds, no kidding? ::)
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Palm has MU as a 10 seed, and the highest 10 seed at that...
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/
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Jock, Tower and MU82 - wow, you are missing even a remedial understanding of how basketball seasons play out I guess. It's the only way to comprehend those 3 statements.
Let's start really slowly - and I apologize for starting with the assumption that anyone who had watched basketball before would understand why it is important to know where you stand in relation to an invite to the NCAA tournament.
If you are 5 to 8 spots out of the tournament based on your games so far, then it means you are close and games are really important because every game moves you higher in relation to the other teams, lower, or you could stay about the same.
So try to follow this next step - getting a big win at Providence tonight means we move closer. Let's say it moved us from the next four out to the first four out. Then if we have a good stretch over the next few games - then we could move up further and be in position to make the tournament. And this will play out all year.
Saying where we stand today is irrelevent would mean it wouldn't matter if we were 50 spots out of the tournament today or a projected no 1 seed. If that statement were true, the today's no. 1 seeds, grambling and Marquette would all be in the same boat - go .500 the rest of the way and they'd all have the same chance at the tournament because where they are now is irrelevent. But just so you know, it that happened, Nova would make the tournament, grambling would not and Marquette might - so today's position is not irrelevant.
That is also why it would not make sense to cancel the rest of the season when you learned you were 5-8 spots out of a bid heading into the tournament game.
I hope this basic understanding of how basketball seasons play out will help you enjoy the rest of the season more with the full understanding that the teams chances will continue to improve or diminish with each game.
Wow!
You're right. Because if only we had a "remedial understanding" we could do something to assure that our beloved Warriors make it into the tournament.
This is hilarious stuff. You WERE trying to be hilarious, right?
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Jock, Tower and MU82 - wow, you are missing even a remedial understanding of how basketball seasons play out I guess. It's the only way to comprehend those 3 statements.
Let's start really slowly - and I apologize for starting with the assumption that anyone who had watched basketball before would understand why it is important to know where you stand in relation to an invite to the NCAA tournament.
If you are 5 to 8 spots out of the tournament based on your games so far, then it means you are close and games are really important because every game moves you higher in relation to the other teams, lower, or you could stay about the same.
So try to follow this next step - getting a big win at Providence tonight means we move closer. Let's say it moved us from the next four out to the first four out. Then if we have a good stretch over the next few games - then we could move up further and be in position to make the tournament. And this will play out all year.
Saying where we stand today is irrelevent would mean it wouldn't matter if we were 50 spots out of the tournament today or a projected no 1 seed. If that statement were true, the today's no. 1 seeds, grambling and Marquette would all be in the same boat - go .500 the rest of the way and they'd all have the same chance at the tournament because where they are now is irrelevent. But just so you know, it that happened, Nova would make the tournament, grambling would not and Marquette might - so today's position is not irrelevant.
That is also why it would not make sense to cancel the rest of the season when you learned you were 5-8 spots out of a bid heading into the tournament game.
I hope this basic understanding of how basketball seasons play out will help you enjoy the rest of the season more with the full understanding that the teams chances will continue to improve or diminish with each game.
Wait, so you're saying we still have a chance?
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Holy crap, you should see your doctor about your severe humor deficiency/excess pomposity issue, he may be able to help.
Remember he used to work for Breitbart so...
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https://twitter.com/espnlunardi/status/950516683608862720
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Now last four in...
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https://twitter.com/espnlunardi/status/950516683608862720
Take that Vermont!
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Wait. I'm confused.
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We're in. Kneel down on the ball for the rest of the season.
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Now last four in...
Would be playing baylor
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We're in. Kneel down on the ball for the rest of the season.
I guess we can turn off 'scoop for the rest the year...oh wait you and the overlords already tried that ;)
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We're in. Kneel down on the ball for the rest of the season.
damn the falcons could have used insight like this last year... :)
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damn the falcons could have used insight like this last year... :)
Amen.
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As much as these projections mean nothing towards the end of the year, it does show some slow progress of the team as well as proof that our non-conference schedule was decent.
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New Lunardi poll has us as the best last four byes as a 10 seed playing ND. Obviously it's totally random and that match up is unlikely but boy would that be a fun game. I'd travel across the Earth to watch that one
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New Lunardi poll has us as the best last four byes as a 10 seed playing ND. Obviously it's totally random and that match up is unlikely but boy would that be a fun game. I'd travel across the Earth to watch that one
I know this matchup is very unlikely but will they have bonzie back in march
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I know this matchup is very unlikely but will they have bonzie back in march
Notre Dame right now is horrible, I do not see them getting into the tournament. Once Matt Farrell gets back they will be better but losing Colson is a big loss.
The rest of there players are just average. MU is way better.
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Notre Dame right now is horrible, I do not see them getting into the tournament. Once Matt Farrell gets back they will be better but losing Colson is a big loss.
The rest of there players are just average. MU is way better.
They will get in. Farrell should be back soon enough. They have a decent enough cushion
And teams like garbage Syracuse(no clue how they are in) find a way to lose and get absolutely physically dominated to the under manned Domers.
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The unwritten rule of March is that if Syracuse is anywhere near the bubble, they're in.
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The unwritten rule of March is that if Syracuse is anywhere near the bubble, they're in.
Except last year, though I suppose they shouldn't have been close to the bubble.
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The unwritten rule of March is that if Syracuse is anywhere near the bubble, they're in.
So you're saying I should pencil them into the Final Four...
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Notre Dame right now is horrible, I do not see them getting into the tournament. Once Matt Farrell gets back they will be better but losing Colson is a big loss.
The rest of there players are just average. MU is way better.
ND blows.
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Crean sucks
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Brey sucks
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ND sucks
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiVxtG-nNPYAhWM7oMKHWI4B_gQqOcBCC0wAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2753581-ncaa-tournament-2018-stock-watch-for-bubble-teams-at-midseason&usg=AOvVaw1N3yg1tWx9awZAQYxU2PgU
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Updated bracket today, has mu as a 10 seed playing Arkansas
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/199
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Updated bracket today, has mu as a 10 seed playing Arkansas
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/199
Speaking of Arkansas, he has EIGHT SEC teams making it. I guess we can't laugh at the SEC anymore in basketball. Even if they got 6-7 that would be impressive. It has been a long time since they have had more than five.
In 2016 they had a whopping 3 of 14 teams make the tourney.
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NBC Sports has us as a 9 (v Louisville), and has us as 6 of 7 in the Big East. Providence is a 10 seed.
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/01/15/bracketology-villanova-holds-on-no-1-spot/ (http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/01/15/bracketology-villanova-holds-on-no-1-spot/)
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CBS has us as a 8 seed vs. Florida State.
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Latest bracketology from ESPN has us a 10 seed playing 7 seed Michigan in Nashville. I don't like that matchup....
http://www.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?src=desktop&wjb
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Latest bracketology from ESPN has us a 10 seed playing 7 seed Michigan in Nashville. I don't like that matchup....
http://www.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?src=desktop&wjb
But at least there will be a lot of offense. And you'd get the prospect they stole of our backyard (Poole) v. the prospect we stole from theirs (Cain). And there will be a lot of blue and gold in the crowd. And keefe can finally root for a team worthy enough to call him an alum.
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Interesting stuff ...
ND is more on the bubble than we are, and they have a tough situation going forward without their best player.
Providence appears to be the last team in. Thankfully, Markus' 52 points might keep the Friars more bubblicious than us!
Georgia is first four out. I guess they can thank us for being this close.
Buzz is next four out. Maybe you don't have to leave the "troubled" Big East for an ACC afterthought program after all.
2 of our losses to #1 seeds (Nova, Purdue), 2 to #3 seeds (X, Wichita), 1 to #9 seed (Butler) and other to team on bubble (Ga).
All the usual caveats that it's only January, everything is fluid, this all means little, etc.
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That Georgia loss is a real kick in the nads. Not a terrible loss by any stretch, but you'd feel a lot more comfortable on Selection Sunday with that win in hand.
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ND just lost another starter to injury this week. Supposed to be out a month to two months. Three different starters missing at least three games due to injury. That's some rough breaks
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ND just lost another starter to injury this week. Supposed to be out a month to two months. Three different starters missing at least three games due to injury. That's some rough breaks
Yeah, that's too f-ing bad.
ND still blows.
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Yeah, that's too f-ing bad.
ND still blows.
I agree with this analysis
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Buzz is next four out. Maybe you don't have to leave the "troubled" Big East for an ACC afterthought program after all.
Very disappointing. I thought Buzz would be further along in year 4.
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Very disappointing. I thought Buzz would be further along in year 4.
Maybe they fire Buzz... Wojo2VATech?
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Say what you will about Buzz, but I'd take Ahmed Hill over everyone outside our big 3, sucks he followed Buzz
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Say what you will about Buzz, but I'd take Ahmed Hill over everyone outside our big 3, sucks he followed Buzz
Hill is a nice player, but he's allergic to getting others involved. 17 assists in 525 minutes.
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Say what you will about Buzz, but I'd take Ahmed Hill over everyone outside our big 3, sucks he followed Buzz
So you believe Buzz's best player would be our fourth best...and that upsets you?
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Very disappointing. I thought Buzz would be further along in year 4.
Well played
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So you believe Buzz's best player would be our fourth best...and that upsets you?
It upsets me that someone who is clearly a high D1 level talent and who was a verbal commit, ends up somewhere else. That being said, I'd take Wojo with Markus, Sam, and Andrew over Buzz with Hill any day. It should always upset you when a quality player snubs MU, but the mentality has been and will always be "next man up".
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It upsets me that someone who is clearly a high D1 level talent and who was a verbal commit, ends up somewhere else. That being said, I'd take Wojo with Markus, Sam, and Andrew over Buzz with Hill any day. It should always upset you when a quality player snubs MU, but the mentality has been and will always be "next man up".
He wasn't a commit committing because he loved MU he was committing because he loved buzz. We assume every commit commits to the school first and foremost though that's not necessarily true
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He wasn't a commit committing because he loved MU he was committing because he loved buzz. We assume every commit commits to the school first and foremost though that's not necessarily true
Look at Marcus... Wasn't he committed at one point to ASU?
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Look at Marcus... Wasn't he committed at one point to ASU?
Yea and I'm sure ASU wishes they could have Markus despite the success they've had this year. As good as our offense has been, adding a 48% three point shooter couldn't hurt.
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Very disappointing. I thought Buzz would be further along in year 4.
Honestly, Buzz making the tournament last year exceeded my expectations. I thought with his start there and the strength of the ACC, he would have a tough time getting to the tourney.
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I wonder what Lunardi's thoughts are on Hill vs. "the big 3"?
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So you believe Buzz's best player would be our fourth best.
That was exactly what I thought when I read that comment.
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Very disappointing. I thought Buzz would be further along in year 4.
Whoa, what is going on with his look this year? That is not a good look. With the vest it seems he is trying for the ND Leperchaun maybe. Very good coach, not a very good look.
Pulled up this article today. https://www.tomahawknation.com/2018/1/20/16912294/fsu-basketball-preivew-virginia-tech-hokies
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Yeah, that's too f-ing bad.
ND still blows.
Boo effing hoo
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Whoa, what is going on with his look this year? That is not a good look. With the vest it seems he is trying for the ND Leperchaun maybe. Very good coach, not a very good look.
Pulled up this article today. https://www.tomahawknation.com/2018/1/20/16912294/fsu-basketball-preivew-virginia-tech-hokies
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I can hear him now:
"You see these fangers? You see this crud on them? that's from me sweeping the corners. I do it by hand because it reveals the character of the resilience of the trying times ahead of what you really care about when nobody's watching. That is the true measure of character, discipline, and staying on the path to happiness."
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I can hear him now:
"You see these fangers? You see this crud on them? that's from me sweeping the corners. I do it by hand because it reveals the character of the resilience of the trying times ahead of what you really care about when nobody's watching. That is the true measure of character, discipline, and staying on the path to happiness."
"Now go flush the toilet for me!"
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"Now go flush the toilet for me!"
first thing I thought of. great picture to fill in the caption. "wiping with your fingers reveals character boys"
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first thing I thought of. great picture to fill in the caption. "wiping with your fingers reveals character boys"
Did not notice the finger until now as I was focusing on the hair and face. That is a great catch.
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"Now go flush the toilet for me!"
Part of his deal was that the mangers were to get a Hokie better knife to use.
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It upsets me that someone who is clearly a high D1 level talent and who was a verbal commit, ends up somewhere else. That being said, I'd take Wojo with Markus, Sam, and Andrew over Buzz with Hill any day. It should always upset you when a quality player snubs MU, but the mentality has been and will always be "next man up".
Decades ago a very wise person told me: "Don't let others tell you how to feel."
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He's just trying to look like a hokie
Whoa, what is going on with his look this year? That is not a good look. With the vest it seems he is trying for the ND Leperchaun maybe. Very good coach, not a very good look.
Pulled up this article today. https://www.tomahawknation.com/2018/1/20/16912294/fsu-basketball-preivew-virginia-tech-hokies
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Seth Davis seems to slight Marquette in his discussion of Wichita State--saying the best non con 3 wins the team has are against 3 teams that won't make the tournament: Marquette, Ok St, and Baylor.
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Seth and Andy Katz have not been favorable. I always figure Seth is still mad because during January of the 3 Amigos sophomore year he called us a Final Four team on CBS. We ended up scoring like 32 points us MSU in the 1st round.
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Seth Davis seems to slight Marquette in his discussion of Wichita State--saying the best non con 3 wins the team has are against 3 teams that won't make the tournament: Marquette, Ok St, and Baylor.
Not sure what his rationale is. Marquette is in as good of a position to the make the tournament as every team but Xavier and Villanova in a 6 or 7 bid conference.
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Davis is a clown.
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/948924468465815553
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what a goon.
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Davis is a clown.
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/948924468465815553
what a goon.
It just shows a total lack of research/awareness of the sport he's covering. Very much from the school of trying to name drop and have people in the industry like him, rather than doing his damn homework. Mike Wilbon-esque
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So, Seth Davis is mayfairskatingrink?
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So, Seth Davis is mayfairskatingrink?
#PutSethDavisonIgnore
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#PutSethDavisonIgnore
Cut Seth some slack fellas... he still trolls Wisky fans.
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/915066147778596870 (https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/915066147778596870)
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Lunardi: MU (10) vs. Gonzaga (7) @ Wichita. Winner gets Kansas...in Kansas. Would prefer Detroit, but that leads to #1 Purdue.
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Lunardi: MU (10) vs. Gonzaga (7) @ Wichita. Winner gets Kansas...in Kansas. Would prefer Detroit, but that leads to #1 Purdue.
Would rather take Purdue on now that we have more height and John has experience. Plus Detroit is a nice neutral location for us and Purdue.
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Cut Seth some slack fellas... he still trolls Wisky fans.
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/915066147778596870 (https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/915066147778596870)
Yeah, these guys don't follow all teams like we follow MU. Maybe he is still believing the Pre season predictions that many on our Board drank. I think the Villanova may give us more positive national notice.
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Give me Texas Tech, Clemson, Auburn, Ohio State Or some other vastly overrated team in the opposite pod.
We’re due for a good draw.
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Let's just get in, huh?
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Davis is a clown.
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/948924468465815553
Loving that first reply. As they say, a picture is worth 1,000 words... or in this case, more words than Davis has ever coherently congregated into something remotely resembling remedial intelligence.
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It appears that tweet got the reaction it deserved. But in the end, all that matters to Seth is that it got a reaction.
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Let's just get in, huh?
We got this.
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Let's just get in, huh?
That’s the first step, for sure.
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Let's just get in, huh?
Amen. Worrying about what 1 seed we would run into as a projected 10 seed is...well, a little silly.
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Amen. Worrying about what 1 seed we would run into as a projected 10 seed is...well, a little silly.
Sure, but with 9 days and no basketball, not a ton to talk about.
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Loving that first reply. As they say, a picture is worth 1,000 words... or in this case, more words than Davis has ever coherently congregated into something remotely resembling remedial intelligence.
Seth's one chip off the old block.
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Amen. Worrying about what 1 seed we would run into as a projected 10 seed is...well, a little silly.
+1. More than a little, actually.
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+1. More than a little, actually.
Exactly..........Bring on Purdue!!!
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Yeah, but after we win the national championship, I like our chances to repeat!
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It just shows a total lack of research/awareness of the sport he's covering. Very much from the school of trying to name drop and have people in the industry like him, rather than doing his damn homework. Mike Wilbon-esque
He's not entirely wrong. I love Howard and think he is a phenomenal player, but he does sometimes put up clunkers, which is entirely excusable given his age:
His last eight games are as follows:
American: 10 points
Xavier: 13 points
Gtown: 13 points
Providence: 52 points
Nova: 37 points
Seton Hall: 12 points
Butler: 14 points
DePaul: 7 points.
Well below his season average in 6 of those 8 games. I know points are one, perhaps very small, part of the puzzle in evaluating a player's performance from game to game, but I have to figure that advanced metrics don't look too kindly on those 6 games in which he fell short of his season average (by a decent margin) combined with his sub-par D. And Seth is right regarding his 3-point shooting slump. (Obviously, I'm by no means worried about it.)
That being said, I'm receptive to being schooled.
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Let's remember Markus has been both sick and beat up lately. Let's see how he does with fresh legs (and body).
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Let's remember Markus has been both sick and beat up lately. Let's see how he does with fresh legs (and body).
I know Wojo said he was sick the last game, but what is the "beat up lately"? Don't recall any injuries.
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I know Wojo said he was sick the last game, but what is the "beat up lately"? Don't recall any injuries.
...he had like 19 stitches in his head
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...he had like 19 stitches in his head
Legs, lower back (see Dickey) too besides being concused.
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...he had like 19 stitches in his head
Yeah, that was under his eye and Cain had them on top of head. While back.
Wasn't aware of anything else effecting his play recently.
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Yeah, that was under his eye and Cain had them on top of head. While back.
Wasn't aware of anything else effecting his play recently.
Wasn't during providence? I feel like that was a month ago max. Idk lately is a very subjective term
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Wasn't during providence? I feel like that was a month ago max. Idk lately is a very subjective term
Whatever...
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If all you ever did was look at box scores, you'd think that Markus was slumping again. I don't think that's the case in the last two games. After the 52 and 37 point outbursts back to back, teams decided to key up their defense on MH to prevent him from getting shots off. Sometimes, I think Wojo is just using his as a decoy to let Rowsey draw the weaker guard defender.
In the three games of the "New Years slump" (American, Georgetown, Xavier) he went 6 for 22. He was getting plenty of shots, but they weren't going in at his normal clip.
In the three games since BEPOW (Seton Hall, Butler, DePaul) he went 3 for 13 (that's actually a worse percentage...) but never got more than 5 attempts. He hasn't had the chance to get hot because teams have been denying him the ball. When he has shot, they've been contested.
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Wasn't during providence? I feel like that was a month ago max. Idk lately is a very subjective term
If you need a definition, see Windy's post of games. When teams are sending 3-4 bodies at you, it is nice to have an extended recovery period.
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His last eight games are as follows:
American: 10 points
Xavier: 13 points
Gtown: 13 points
Providence: 52 points
Nova: 37 points
Seton Hall: 12 points
Butler: 14 points
DePaul: 7 points.
That's pretty shocking seeing the list like that.
89 in the two games, 20 fewer points in the other 6.
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Rested/healed MU recipe for X-men upset.
Get it done and no more of this last 4 out/in stuff.
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Lunardi: MU (10) vs. Rhode Island (7) @ Detroit. Winner gets Michigan State. He also included 7 Big East teams.
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Lunardi: MU (10) vs. Rhode Island (7) @ Detroit. Winner gets Michigan State. He also included 7 Big East teams.
I'd hope Cain and Elliott would have big games while Tillman road the pine haha
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Lunardi: MU (10) vs. Rhode Island (7) @ Detroit. Winner gets Michigan State. He also included 7 Big East teams.
Marquette and USC look to be the last 2 teams before the "last 4 byes". So basically there are 8 or 9 teams between Marquette and the NCAA cutline, in Lunardi's current opinion.
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Still a 10 seed after 2 losses last week.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
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I know The World Already Has Ended folks don't want even an inkling of a thought of a teensy, tiny bit of possible optimism because it's more fun to wallow in being miserable. But ...
Even after all of this, Lunardi STILL has our Warriorz not only in the tourney but among the "Last Four Byes."
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I know The World Already Has Ended folks don't want even an inkling of a thought of a teensy, tiny bit of possible optimism because it's more fun to wallow in being miserable. But ...
Even after all of this, Lunardi STILL has our Warriorz not only in the tourney but among the "Last Four Byes."
It's the Super Blue Moon turning us upside down. You are even quoting advanced stats. Who knew?
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lunardi just released his latest and we are the second team in the first out
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lunardi just released his latest and we are the second team in the first out
Lunardi typically writes his bracketologies the day before he releases them. I doubt that the Seton Hall win is included here.
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Lunardi typically writes his bracketologies the day before he releases them. I doubt that the Seton Hall win is included here.
This makes sense. Thanks TAMU
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Lunardi typically writes his bracketologies the day before he releases them. I doubt that the Seton Hall win is included here.
I think we will be in Dayton as of now. Your thoughts?
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Lunardi typically writes his bracketologies the day before he releases them. I doubt that the Seton Hall win is included here.
It looks like all games from yesterday were included. Virginia took over the overall #1 seed and Auburn, Seton Hall, Texas and Nevada all moved down spots after losing last night.
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Lunardi typically writes his bracketologies the day before he releases them. I doubt that the Seton Hall win is included here.
He tweeted at 1230am this morning that his bracket was complete, so my guess is this actually does include the results of last night's games. It shows Nevada as an at large and Boise as an AQ, and Nevada was in first place in the MWC until they lost late last night. So pretty sure this is up to the minute.
That being said, I think MU match up really well with the teams he lists ahead of us. I think our resume is better than Va Tech, K State, NC State and Houston, which he has listed in either the last four byes or last four in. But in any event, I think we need a couple more wins for people to forget about the 4 game skid.
That being said, Joe knows his sh*t, and he has us right there.
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I think we will be in Dayton as of now. Your thoughts?
A date in Dayton with Buzz and VT would break Scoop
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Beat hall and we dropped a spot
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Beat hall and we dropped a spot
Slightly more fluid than that. I think in his "up to the minute" seed lines, he had dropped MU into the next 4 out since Monday and prior to Hall game. This has more to do with other bubble team's performance since Monday (Cuse winning @ Louisville, Nebraska winning @ Minnesota, etc.).
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I think we will be in Dayton as of now. Your thoughts?
I think so. A road win against Seton Hall should be enough to bump us past Syracuse, USC, and NC State (especially since they lost to VT last night...thanks Buzz!)
The bubble is weirdly weak but also short this year. The First Four Out is currently Syracuse, Marquette, UCLA, and Nebraska. Those four teams seem legit, like they could get a tourney berth though they all have warts on their resumes.
But drop to the Next Four Out and you can see there is a drop to the next level.
St. Bonaventure: 47 RPI, 103 SOS
Tier 1: 2-2
Tier 2: 3-2
Tier 3: 4-1
Tier 4: 8-1
Best wins: @BUFF (28), @CUSE (35), UVM* (51), MARY*(62), @CANI (125)
Worst Losses: NIAG (165), @STJOES (199), @DAV (127), @DAY (106) TCU* (32)
A couple of wins that look good on paper but not in reality and four dreadful losses.
Temple: 37 RPI, 6 SOS
Tier 1: 4-6
Tier 2: 3-0
Tier 3: 4-4
Tier 4: 3-0
Best Wins: CLEM* (4), AUB* (9), WICH (25), @SMU (71), SC* (63)
Worst Losses: MEMP (130), TUL (129), GW* (197), @LAS (180), @UGA (72)
Honestly think they have a better shot than the Bonnies. Great computer numbers and a trio of great wins, but four miserable losses. KenPom sees the truth and ranks them 88th.
Western Kentucky: 51 RPI, SOS 65
Tier 1: 1-2
Tier 2: 3-0
Tier 3: 4-5
Tier 4: 7-0
Best Wins: PURD* (12), SMU* (71), @ODU (85), @MARSH (111), WRST (94)
Worst Losses: @OHIO (227), @UTSA (204), MOST (109), @WISC (159), BELM (77)
This is how bad the fringes of the bubble are. A team who counts Wright State at home and Marshall/Old Dominion on the road as three of its best wins is in the bubble conversation. Oh and they have Belmont at home as their 5th worst loss. Extra giggles for Wisconsin being considered a bad loss.
SMU: 71 RPI, 78 SOS
Tier 1: 2-2
Tier 2: 3-5
Tier 3: 2-1
Tier 4: 8-0
Best Wins: @WICH (25), ARIZ* (14), BOISE (31), USC (44), UCF (68)
Worst Losses: UNI* (153), @TUL (129), @UCONN (102), @TULSA (99), WKY* (51)
Bad computer numbers, some quality wins and some real ugly losses.
Compare that to our resume:
Marquette: RPI 56, SOS 12
Tier 1: 3-8
Tier 2: 2-2
Tier 3: 3-0
Tier 4: 6-0
Best Wins: @HALL (27), @PROV (29), HALL (27), UVM (51), LSU* (81)
Worst Losses: UGA (72), BUT (34), PROV (29), WICH* (25), PURD (12)
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And I see that I was wrong about @HALL not being included. In that case, Lunardi is either drunk or just missed the Seton Hall game but included others.
Case in point, why would Syracuse move from the last of the next four out to the top of the first four out just for beating RPI 43 Louisville on the road when we beat RPI 27 Seton Hall on the road? That makes no sense.
I suspect that he made major changes from last night's game like Boise getting the AQ and Nova losing the top seed, but didn't make more minor changes because he'd have to redo most of the bracket. I think we will see it corrected on his next bracket.
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With last night's road win, TRank has us all the way up to a 9 seed if we finish 9-9 in conference. 6 seed if we win out. 8 seed if we go 10-8 with the only remaining loss at Creighton.
It also has us in Dayton as the 2nd last team in at 8-10.
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Marquette still controls it's own destiny.
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Marquette still controls it's own destiny.
Technically, every non-Ivy league team that is postseason eligible controls its own destiny at this point.
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Technically, every non-Ivy league team that is postseason eligible controls its own destiny at this point.
Now that they Ivy League has a 4 team conference tournament, and they are relatively early in their conference season, even all of the Ivy teams could make the NCAA by winning out. 😀
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Now that they Ivy League has a 4 team conference tournament, and they are relatively early in their conference season, even all of the Ivy teams could make the NCAA by winning out. 😀
Only 2 teams get to end the year with a W, and nobody want to be one of them right now.
I don't count the CBI
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Now that they Ivy League has a 4 team conference tournament, and they are relatively early in their conference season, even all of the Ivy teams could make the NCAA by winning out. 😀
For those who care...Dartmouth is 0-6 in the Ivy right now, with 8 to play. If they can win out (unlikely) 8-6 could very well be enough to get them into that four-team playoff. However, they will need help, since they can't beat the teams ahead of them enough times to make up the difference themselves.
So, no, not everyone controls their own destiny.
I just spent way too much time look at Dartmouth's record and schedule...
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For those who care...Dartmouth is 0-6 in the Ivy right now, with 8 to play. If they can win out (unlikely) 8-6 could very well be enough to get them into that four-team playoff. However, they will need help, since they can't beat the teams ahead of them enough times to make up the difference themselves.
So, no, not everyone controls their own destiny.
I just spent way too much time look at Dartmouth's record and schedule...
Thanks for that effort. This is honestly one of my favorite Scoop posts in a long time.
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For those who care...Dartmouth is 0-6 in the Ivy right now, with 8 to play. If they can win out (unlikely) 8-6 could very well be enough to get them into that four-team playoff. However, they will need help, since they can't beat the teams ahead of them enough times to make up the difference themselves.
So, no, not everyone controls their own destiny.
I just spent way too much time look at Dartmouth's record and schedule...
You probably spent more time today than anyone else on earth looking at Dartmouth's record and schedule. Congrats!
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I think so. A road win against Seton Hall should be enough to bump us past Syracuse, USC, and NC State (especially since they lost to VT last night...thanks Buzz!)
The bubble is weirdly weak but also short this year. The First Four Out is currently Syracuse, Marquette, UCLA, and Nebraska. Those four teams seem legit, like they could get a tourney berth though they all have warts on their resumes.
But drop to the Next Four Out and you can see there is a drop to the next level.
St. Bonaventure: 47 RPI, 103 SOS
Tier 1: 2-2
Tier 2: 3-2
Tier 3: 4-1
Tier 4: 8-1
Best wins: @BUFF (28), @CUSE (35), UVM* (51), MARY*(62), @CANI (125)
Worst Losses: NIAG (165), @STJOES (199), @DAV (127), @DAY (106) TCU* (32)
A couple of wins that look good on paper but not in reality and four dreadful losses.
Temple: 37 RPI, 6 SOS
Tier 1: 4-6
Tier 2: 3-0
Tier 3: 4-4
Tier 4: 3-0
Best Wins: CLEM* (4), AUB* (9), WICH (25), @SMU (71), SC* (63)
Worst Losses: MEMP (130), TUL (129), GW* (197), @LAS (180), @UGA (72)
Honestly think they have a better shot than the Bonnies. Great computer numbers and a trio of great wins, but four miserable losses. KenPom sees the truth and ranks them 88th.
Western Kentucky: 51 RPI, SOS 65
Tier 1: 1-2
Tier 2: 3-0
Tier 3: 4-5
Tier 4: 7-0
Best Wins: PURD* (12), SMU* (71), @ODU (85), @MARSH (111), WRST (94)
Worst Losses: @OHIO (227), @UTSA (204), MOST (109), @WISC (159), BELM (77)
This is how bad the fringes of the bubble are. A team who counts Wright State at home and Marshall/Old Dominion on the road as three of its best wins is in the bubble conversation. Oh and they have Belmont at home as their 5th worst loss. Extra giggles for Wisconsin being considered a bad loss.
SMU: 71 RPI, 78 SOS
Tier 1: 2-2
Tier 2: 3-5
Tier 3: 2-1
Tier 4: 8-0
Best Wins: @WICH (25), ARIZ* (14), BOISE (31), USC (44), UCF (68)
Worst Losses: UNI* (153), @TUL (129), @UCONN (102), @TULSA (99), WKY* (51)
Bad computer numbers, some quality wins and some real ugly losses.
Compare that to our resume:
Marquette: RPI 56, SOS 12
Tier 1: 3-8
Tier 2: 2-2
Tier 3: 3-0
Tier 4: 6-0
Best Wins: @HALL (27), @PROV (29), HALL (27), UVM (51), LSU* (81)
Worst Losses: UGA (72), BUT (34), PROV (29), WICH* (25), PURD (12)
This is really quite something, and a reminder when I want to fire Wojo summarily in the emotion of recent losses. We have been nothing but consistent(ly inconsistent). This shows that we are exactly who we thought we were, with really few peaks and valleys.
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I think so. A road win against Seton Hall should be enough to bump us past Syracuse, USC, and NC State (especially since they lost to VT last night...thanks Buzz!)
The bubble is weirdly weak but also short this year. The First Four Out is currently Syracuse, Marquette, UCLA, and Nebraska. Those four teams seem legit, like they could get a tourney berth though they all have warts on their resumes.
But drop to the Next Four Out and you can see there is a drop to the next level.
St. Bonaventure: 47 RPI, 103 SOS
Tier 1: 2-2
Tier 2: 3-2
Tier 3: 4-1
Tier 4: 8-1
Best wins: @BUFF (28), @CUSE (35), UVM* (51), MARY*(62), @CANI (125)
Worst Losses: NIAG (165), @STJOES (199), @DAV (127), @DAY (106) TCU* (32)
A couple of wins that look good on paper but not in reality and four dreadful losses.
Temple: 37 RPI, 6 SOS
Tier 1: 4-6
Tier 2: 3-0
Tier 3: 4-4
Tier 4: 3-0
Best Wins: CLEM* (4), AUB* (9), WICH (25), @SMU (71), SC* (63)
Worst Losses: MEMP (130), TUL (129), GW* (197), @LAS (180), @UGA (72)
Honestly think they have a better shot than the Bonnies. Great computer numbers and a trio of great wins, but four miserable losses. KenPom sees the truth and ranks them 88th.
Western Kentucky: 51 RPI, SOS 65
Tier 1: 1-2
Tier 2: 3-0
Tier 3: 4-5
Tier 4: 7-0
Best Wins: PURD* (12), SMU* (71), @ODU (85), @MARSH (111), WRST (94)
Worst Losses: @OHIO (227), @UTSA (204), MOST (109), @WISC (159), BELM (77)
This is how bad the fringes of the bubble are. A team who counts Wright State at home and Marshall/Old Dominion on the road as three of its best wins is in the bubble conversation. Oh and they have Belmont at home as their 5th worst loss. Extra giggles for Wisconsin being considered a bad loss.
SMU: 71 RPI, 78 SOS
Tier 1: 2-2
Tier 2: 3-5
Tier 3: 2-1
Tier 4: 8-0
Best Wins: @WICH (25), ARIZ* (14), BOISE (31), USC (44), UCF (68)
Worst Losses: UNI* (153), @TUL (129), @UCONN (102), @TULSA (99), WKY* (51)
Bad computer numbers, some quality wins and some real ugly losses.
Compare that to our resume:
Marquette: RPI 56, SOS 12
Tier 1: 3-8
Tier 2: 2-2
Tier 3: 3-0
Tier 4: 6-0
Best Wins: @HALL (27), @PROV (29), HALL (27), UVM (51), LSU* (81)
Worst Losses: UGA (72), BUT (34), PROV (29), WICH* (25), PURD (12)
Marquette's resume is just sooo sooo much cleaner than those. This is a great post, and one that those who want to understand the bubble should pay close attention to.
And I see that I was wrong about @HALL not being included. In that case, Lunardi is either drunk or just missed the Seton Hall game but included others.
Case in point, why would Syracuse move from the last of the next four out to the top of the first four out just for beating RPI 43 Louisville on the road when we beat RPI 27 Seton Hall on the road? That makes no sense.
I suspect that he made major changes from last night's game like Boise getting the AQ and Nova losing the top seed, but didn't make more minor changes because he'd have to redo most of the bracket. I think we will see it corrected on his next bracket.
Yep. He won't do another full bracket until Monday, but I suspect we'll be in the first four byes with a win on Saturday.
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But drop to the Next Four Out and you can see there is a drop to the next level.
Thanks for that post, TAMU. This is what people don't get, and what I had a Twitter argument with Dan Needles about the other day that resulted in him blocking me. Said I was "obsessed" with him. Idiot, I'm clearly obsessed with Marquette basketball.
I digress. If you look at the resumes on the bubble, Marquette still has a good case. Sure, there's some competition in those 12 spots from the last byes to the first out, but some of those are pretty questionable, and after those it's hard to imagine those are even high NIT seeds. That's why I think 9-9 will be enough. We won't be the only team to lose games, and it's just not that strong a field.
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Marquette's resume is just sooo sooo much cleaner than those. This is a great post, and one that those who want to understand the bubble should pay close attention to.
Yep. He won't do another full bracket until Monday, but I suspect we'll be in the first four byes with a win on Saturday.
Not sure I agree. Of the teams listed, they all have MUCH better metrics in the Tier 1&2 categories. My gut tells me the committee values good wins, more than a team not having "bad losses." We are just 5-10 against Tier 1&2. WKU is 4-2. Upsets are what make NCAA so fun and compelling - a team that demonstrates it can knock off a giant or Top 10/15 type of team adds value to the entertainment value of the tournament.
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Thanks for that post, TAMU. This is what people don't get, and what I had a Twitter argument with Dan Needles about the other day that resulted in him blocking me. Said I was "obsessed" with him. Idiot, I'm clearly obsessed with Marquette basketball.
Debating with Needles on anythings sports related is like debating science with a creationist.
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I think so. A road win against Seton Hall should be enough to bump us past Syracuse, USC, and NC State (especially since they lost to VT last night...thanks Buzz!)
The bubble is weirdly weak but also short this year. The First Four Out is currently Syracuse, Marquette, UCLA, and Nebraska. Those four teams seem legit, like they could get a tourney berth though they all have warts on their resumes.
But drop to the Next Four Out and you can see there is a drop to the next level.
St. Bonaventure: 47 RPI, 103 SOS
Tier 1: 2-2
Tier 2: 3-2
Tier 3: 4-1
Tier 4: 8-1
Best wins: @BUFF (28), @CUSE (35), UVM* (51), MARY*(62), @CANI (125)
Worst Losses: NIAG (165), @STJOES (199), @DAV (127), @DAY (106) TCU* (32)
A couple of wins that look good on paper but not in reality and four dreadful losses.
Temple: 37 RPI, 6 SOS
Tier 1: 4-6
Tier 2: 3-0
Tier 3: 4-4
Tier 4: 3-0
Best Wins: CLEM* (4), AUB* (9), WICH (25), @SMU (71), SC* (63)
Worst Losses: MEMP (130), TUL (129), GW* (197), @LAS (180), @UGA (72)
Honestly think they have a better shot than the Bonnies. Great computer numbers and a trio of great wins, but four miserable losses. KenPom sees the truth and ranks them 88th.
Western Kentucky: 51 RPI, SOS 65
Tier 1: 1-2
Tier 2: 3-0
Tier 3: 4-5
Tier 4: 7-0
Best Wins: PURD* (12), SMU* (71), @ODU (85), @MARSH (111), WRST (94)
Worst Losses: @OHIO (227), @UTSA (204), MOST (109), @WISC (159), BELM (77)
This is how bad the fringes of the bubble are. A team who counts Wright State at home and Marshall/Old Dominion on the road as three of its best wins is in the bubble conversation. Oh and they have Belmont at home as their 5th worst loss. Extra giggles for Wisconsin being considered a bad loss.
SMU: 71 RPI, 78 SOS
Tier 1: 2-2
Tier 2: 3-5
Tier 3: 2-1
Tier 4: 8-0
Best Wins: @WICH (25), ARIZ* (14), BOISE (31), USC (44), UCF (68)
Worst Losses: UNI* (153), @TUL (129), @UCONN (102), @TULSA (99), WKY* (51)
Bad computer numbers, some quality wins and some real ugly losses.
Compare that to our resume:
Marquette: RPI 56, SOS 12
Tier 1: 3-8
Tier 2: 2-2
Tier 3: 3-0
Tier 4: 6-0
Best Wins: @HALL (27), @PROV (29), HALL (27), UVM (51), LSU* (81)
Worst Losses: UGA (72), BUT (34), PROV (29), WICH* (25), PURD (12)
Good effort, bud.
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Not sure I agree. Of the teams listed, they all have MUCH better metrics in the Tier 1&2 categories. My gut tells me the committee values good wins, more than a team not having "bad losses." We are just 5-10 against Tier 1&2. WKU is 4-2. Upsets are what make NCAA so fun and compelling - a team that demonstrates it can knock off a giant or Top 10/15 type of team adds value to the entertainment value of the tournament.
Not really. We've just played alot more good teams than the majority of the sample, sans Temple. We've played 11 tier 1 games - St. Bonnie 4, Western Kentucky 3, and SMU 4. I don't think MU is going to get punished for their losses to Nova, X and Purdue.
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Not sure I agree. Of the teams listed, they all have MUCH better metrics in the Tier 1&2 categories. My gut tells me the committee values good wins, more than a team not having "bad losses." We are just 5-10 against Tier 1&2. WKU is 4-2. Upsets are what make NCAA so fun and compelling - a team that demonstrates it can knock off a giant or Top 10/15 type of team adds value to the entertainment value of the tournament.
I really don't think there is any proof that the Committee bases its selection decisions on "the entertainment value of the tournament."
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Not sure I agree. Of the teams listed, they all have MUCH better metrics in the Tier 1&2 categories. My gut tells me the committee values good wins, more than a team not having "bad losses." We are just 5-10 against Tier 1&2. WKU is 4-2. Upsets are what make NCAA so fun and compelling - a team that demonstrates it can knock off a giant or Top 10/15 type of team adds value to the entertainment value of the tournament.
Nah. Not how it works.
The committee doesn't look at Marquette and say "wow, they are only 3-8 in Tier 1 games." They look and say "wow, Marquette has 3 tier 1 victories." All those 8 losses mean is that we play a really tough schedule. They don't hurt us in the slightest. Don't help us (except in our computer #s), but definitely don't hurt us.
The only team that is better than us in Tier 1/Tier 2 games is Temple with 7 victories. St. Bonaventure and SMU ties us with 5 victories, but we have 3 Tier 1 victories while the two of them only have 2 Tier 1 victories. Western Kentucky only has 4 Tier 1/2 victories. You add in the fact that we are perfect against Tier 3/4 teams and each of them has at least one Tier 3 loss (and their Tier 2 losses are worse than our Tier 2 losses) and Marquette is beating all of them on Tiers.
You also have to keep in mind that there is a high major bias. So St. Bonaventure might get a "Tier 1 win" for winning at Buffalo whose RPI is currently 28. But the committee also knows that Seton Hall is MUCH better than Buffalo. So even though our Seton Hall road victory is only 1 RPI point better than St. Bonaventure's win over Buffalo, the committee will value the Seton Hall win a lot more than the Buffalo win. This is also hurts us because they won't value our win over Vermont as much.
Finally, I think you are right about good wins being more important than avoiding bad losses. However, we are not just talking about some bad losses. All four of the "Next Four Out" have at least FOUR losses to teams ranked 99 OR LOWER IN RPI. This isn't about having one bad loss to make up for. It's about having multiple terrible losses to make up for. Western Kentucky's win over Purdue (12) makes up for their loss to Ohio (227). But their win over SMU (71) doesn't come close to making up for their loss to UT-San Antonio (204).
Personally, I think Temple's resume is better than St. Bonaventure's and could make the tourney if they win most of their remaining games. The others? I don't see it.
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The only team that is better than us in Tier 1/Tier 2 games is Temple with 7 victories. St. Bonaventure and SMU ties us with 5 victories, but we have 3 Tier 1 victories while the two of them only have 2 Tier 1 victories. Western Kentucky only has 4 Tier 1/2 victories. You add in the fact that we are perfect against Tier 3/4 teams and each of them has at least one Tier 3 loss (and their Tier 2 losses are worse than our Tier 2 losses) and Marquette is beating all of them on Tiers.
So if we make the tourney they will be tiers of joy?
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We're not even on the bubble, according to CBS: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/
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We're not even on the bubble, according to CBS: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/
Those "bubble teams" are all in their projected field. So they list who could fall out of the bracket but not who might replace them.
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We're not even on the bubble, according to CBS: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/
That has gotta be a mistake. No way those bottom bubble teams are anywhere near Marquette
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The committee doesn't look at Marquette and say "wow, they are only 3-8 in Tier 1 games." They look and say "wow, Marquette has 3 tier 1 victories." All those 8 losses mean is that we play a really tough schedule. They don't hurt us in the slightest. Don't help us (except in our computer #s), but definitely don't hurt us.
Logically, I don't disagree with you. However, looking at the current team sheet for MU, there's notable a lot of RED in the tier 1 box. And visually that has an effect of people. "Wow, they played a lot of tourney teams, but sure didn't win many games". I don't know what will happen come selection Sunday, but I don't discount that the team sheet is meant to help visualize a team's season, and I'm not so sure our tough slate is helping us without a lot of good wins.
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Those "bubble teams" are all in their projected field. So they list who could fall out of the bracket but not who might replace them.
Palm said he doesn't consider teams who aren't at least 4 games above .500. We were 13-10 when this was posted.
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We're not even on the bubble, according to CBS: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/
His list makes no sense
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Thanks for that post, TAMU. This is what people don't get, and what I had a Twitter argument with Dan Needles about the other day that resulted in him blocking me. Said I was "obsessed" with him. Idiot, I'm clearly obsessed with Marquette basketball.
I just went to find it. Another local idiot. Maybe Needles needs to check out Joey Brackets or Jerry Palm.
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When does the NCAA release their top 16 teams?
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When does the NCAA release their top 16 teams?
Sunday on CBS. 11:30AM
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Sunday on CBS. 11:30AM
Sorry if you've already answered this elsewhere, but when will the Marquette/Creighton game time be announced?
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I really don't think there is any proof that the Committee bases its selection decisions on "the entertainment value of the tournament."
True. Yet they are pretty strategic in their 5/12 pairings, and my gut feels they want the tournament to be as compelling as possible. But, of course, no "proof."
Nah. Not how it works.
The committee doesn't look at Marquette and say "wow, they are only 3-8 in Tier 1 games." They look and say "wow, Marquette has 3 tier 1 victories." All those 8 losses mean is that we play a really tough schedule. They don't hurt us in the slightest. Don't help us (except in our computer #s), but definitely don't hurt us.
The only team that is better than us in Tier 1/Tier 2 games is Temple with 7 victories. St. Bonaventure and SMU ties us with 5 victories, but we have 3 Tier 1 victories while the two of them only have 2 Tier 1 victories. Western Kentucky only has 4 Tier 1/2 victories. You add in the fact that we are perfect against Tier 3/4 teams and each of them has at least one Tier 3 loss (and their Tier 2 losses are worse than our Tier 2 losses) and Marquette is beating all of them on Tiers.
You also have to keep in mind that there is a high major bias. So St. Bonaventure might get a "Tier 1 win" for winning at Buffalo whose RPI is currently 28. But the committee also knows that Seton Hall is MUCH better than Buffalo. So even though our Seton Hall road victory is only 1 RPI point better than St. Bonaventure's win over Buffalo, the committee will value the Seton Hall win a lot more than the Buffalo win. This is also hurts us because they won't value our win over Vermont as much.
Finally, I think you are right about good wins being more important than avoiding bad losses. However, we are not just talking about some bad losses. All four of the "Next Four Out" have at least FOUR losses to teams ranked 99 OR LOWER IN RPI. This isn't about having one bad loss to make up for. It's about having multiple terrible losses to make up for. Western Kentucky's win over Purdue (12) makes up for their loss to Ohio (227). But their win over SMU (71) doesn't come close to making up for their loss to UT-San Antonio (204).
Personally, I think Temple's resume is better than St. Bonaventure's and could make the tourney if they win most of their remaining games. The others? I don't see it.
Good info. Thanks for clarifying. I have not done the research on how the define Tier 1/Tier 2 (what the cutoffs/criteria are).
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Sorry if you've already answered this elsewhere, but when will the Marquette/Creighton game time be announced?
I don't know. If I had to guess after next weekend. The game will be 11am, 1:30pm, 4pm or 7pm.
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True. Yet they are pretty strategic in their 5/12 pairings, and my gut feels they want the tournament to be as compelling as possible. But, of course, no "proof."
I don't think they really are, I just think most of the matchups from the 5/12 to the 8/9 are pretty even matchups. Once you get past those elite teams, there's not a lot separating teams that are at-large worthy, which most teams to 12-seeds are.
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I don't think they really are, I just think most of the matchups from the 5/12 to the 8/9 are pretty even matchups. Once you get past those elite teams, there's not a lot separating teams that are at-large worthy, which most teams to 12-seeds are.
That, and 12 seeds are often talented and experienced mid majors who probably deserve a higher seed but high major bias keeps that from happening.
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Lunardi dropped us off the bubble completely for now. Still maintain that I think we're in if we finish 4-1, but a 14-11 team who has dropped 5 of 6 won't get much consideration.
We need to get to 4 or 5 wins back above 500 to start being considered.
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Lunardi dropped us off the bubble completely for now. Still maintain that I think we're in if we finish 4-1, but a 14-11 team who has dropped 5 of 6 won't get much consideration.
We need to get to 4 or 5 wins back above 500 to start being considered.
This week saturday is a necessity
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This week saturday is a necessity
Butler was a big game. Providence was a big game. St. Johns was a big game.
Simply put, we just have not won key games this year. Looking at the stats, even if we somehow manage to get to .500 in BE play, we still are looking at a sub-50% (I think it's 49%) at making the tournament, due to the current bubble.
Saturday is a necessity as much as next Wednesday's game against St. Johns (again) will be.
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Butler was a big game. Providence was a big game. St. Johns was a big game.
Simply put, we just have not won key games this year. Looking at the stats, even if we somehow manage to get to .500 in BE play, we still are looking at a sub-50% (I think it's 49%) at making the tournament, due to the current bubble.
Saturday is a necessity as much as next Wednesday's game against St. Johns (again) will be.
Saturday's win has the biggest upside with a win and the smallest downside with a loss. It's not a must win, but if we lose then every other game becomes must win the rest of the year. So it sure would be nice to get.
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Saturday's win has the biggest upside with a win and the smallest downside with a loss. It's not a must win, but if we lose then every other game becomes must win the rest of the year. So it sure would be nice to get.
Im telling you if we go 4-1 we need 2 in the BEAST
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Im telling you if we go 4-1 we need 2 in the BEAST
To be an absolute lock? Maybe. To give ourselves a chance, no. T-Rank has us as one of the last teams in at 9-9 with a first round loss to Butler in the BET. We'd be flirting with danger, but I think we'd sneak in
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Im telling you if we go 4-1 we need 2 in the BEAST
I'm telling you you're wrong
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Lunardi dropped us off the bubble completely for now. Still maintain that I think we're in if we finish 4-1, but a 14-11 team who has dropped 5 of 6 won't get much consideration.
We need to get to 4 or 5 wins back above 500 to start being considered.
Yep. Hard to argue with him at this point. Win Saturday and we'll be back in the first four out or better a week from today in Lunardi's bracket.
Saturday's win has the biggest upside with a win and the smallest downside with a loss. It's not a must win, but if we lose then every other game becomes must win the rest of the year. So it sure would be nice to get.
Yep again. Once we lose 1 more, every game the rest of the regular season is a must win.
Im telling you if we go 4-1 we need 2 in the BEAST
This is a bad take.
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Im telling you if we go 4-1 we need 2 in the BEAST
Is this purely your gut reaction without any actually numbers backing it up?
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Is this purely your gut reaction without any actually numbers backing it up?
Clearly just a gut feeling, because there are no numbers or history that back up his assertion.
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Clearly just a gut feeling, because there are no numbers or history that back up his assertion.
Yeah but was hoping to get someone like him to actually admit there's no evidence supporting their claim
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Yeah but was hoping to get someone like him to actually admit there's no evidence supporting their claim
I can confirm there is no evidence. People are frustrated. People think there is no way this team is going 4-1 (or even 3-2) to finish out BE play. At this point, I don't blame them. I prefer to be optimistic because I will enjoy the games more that way, but even the most optimistic guys are starting to realize that the tourney just may not be in the cards this year.
I don't know if we can go 4-1. That can we debated all we want. But if we do indeed go 4-1 to close BE play, I am extremely confident that we'll be in the tournament, no matter what happens in the BET. And I think that at 3-2, we'll actually have a shot if we win a couple games in the BET, and get some help elsewhere, but I wouldn't bet on it.