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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 09, 2017, 03:33:27 PM
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Today's win marks a new era of the Marquette/Wisconsin rivalry. I know people have gotten sick of my "year 5 is the year" schtick since Wojo took over, but I truly believe it. Barring disaster, I see Marquette as a program on the rise for the next couple of years. 2019 recruiting will be critical to continue it but I think Wojo gets it done with the big fish we have on the hook already. Meanwhile, the Rodent is struggling. They might have a short resurgence next season with zero seniors on the roster this year, but their 2018 recruiting has been a bust. 2019 will be critical for them if they don't want to take a major tumble. Would love to see Wojo land Carton and Days over Gard.
Marquette will dominante this rivalry for the next few years. If Wojo sticks around long enough, he might even see Marquette take the series lead.
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Today's win marks a new era of the Marquette/Wisconsin rivalry. I know people have gotten sick of my "year 5 is the year" schtick since Wojo took over, but I truly believe it. Barring disaster, I see Marquette as a program on the rise for the next couple of years. 2019 recruiting will be critical to continue it but I think Wojo gets it done with the big fish we have on the hook already. Meanwhile, the Rodent is struggling. They might have a short resurgence next season with zero seniors on the roster this year, but their 2018 recruiting has been a bust. 2019 will be critical for them if they don't want to take a major tumble. Would love to see Wojo land Carton and Days over Gard.
Marquette will dominante this rivalry for the next few years. If Wojo sticks around long enough, he might even see Marquette take the series lead.
Marquette will pay, has premier facilities, in arguably the best basketball conference and will play in arguably the best basketball arena next year.
Can Wojo leave? Sure, but given all of the above, the list of suitors is getting small.
Light a candle for coach K’s continued health.
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Marquette will pay, has premier facilities, in arguably the best basketball conference and will play in arguably the best basketball arena next year.
Can Wojo leave? Sure, but given all of the above, the list of suitors is getting small.
Light a candle for coach K’s continued health.
With the success Brey is having at ND why wouldn't Duke take a hard look at him?
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With the success Brey is having at ND why wouldn't Duke take a hard look at him?
Is this supposed to be teal? No way Duke goes for a 58-year-old who has never been a force on the recruiting front.
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I love your optimism but we’ve been at points with TC & Buzz where we could have said the same. Will this be different? If it is I think it all goes back to Sam Hauser. If Bo recruits him, IW has a great piece next to Happ this year and Joey & Tyler coming in next. That is a colossal mistake. Will they recover?
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Great, fun win today. No doubt. But let's pump the brakes a bit here folks. Wisconsin is 4-7 and nobody, even after this win, is projecting MU to even make the NCAA Tourney.(fans on this site excluded)
I welcome the day when Wojo is a hot name for a "top job" and even more so for the Duke job (means he's doing a great job, right?) but we are a long ways off from that day.
I'm no Dookie, but I'd guess that Wojo is not on their top 10 list for Coach K's successor, (yet).
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I love your optimism but we’ve been at points with TC & Buzz where we could have said the same.
While some may have said that, in reality it was just blue and gold talk with Bo around. Bo's a Hall-of-Famer for a reason. Without him, you have to admit UW is currently at a crossroads.
I agree wholeheartedly with you on Sam though. That was a mega miss for UW. Not only for the player that Sam is, but in regards to the dominos that sent into motion.
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Great, fun win today. No doubt. But let's pump the brakes a bit here folks. Wisconsin is 4-7 and nobody, even after this win, is projecting MU to even make the NCAA Tourney.(fans on this site excluded)
I welcome the day when Wojo is a hot name for a "top job" and even more so for the Duke job (means he's doing a great job, right?) but we are a long ways off from that day.
I'm no Dookie, but I'd guess that Wojo is not on their top 10 list for Coach K's successor, (yet).
This thread is about us vs Wisconsin
Not making the tourney.
So the 4-7 record is actually kinda the point
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Light a candle for coach K’s continued health.
Brey and Collins would be considered before Wojo.
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Brey and Collins would be considered before Wojo.
Collins for sure.
Capel, also. He deserves a lot of credit for Duke's current run of recruiting success.
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I love your optimism but we’ve been at points with TC & Buzz where we could have said the same. Will this be different? If it is I think it all goes back to Sam Hauser. If Bo recruits him, IW has a great piece next to Happ this year and Joey & Tyler coming in next. That is a colossal mistake. Will they recover?
There were times during TC & Buzz that I though Marquette was on the upswing. There was never a time where I thought Bucky was on as bad of a downswing as I think they are now. That is the difference IMHO between those times and these times.
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Brey and Collins would be considered before Wojo.
Jeff Capel ahead of these two I think.
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Mike White
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Mike White
Now that seems really good.
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Brey and Collins would be considered before Wojo.
Duke is not hiring Brey. If they go for someone older and established, it'll be a bigger name than that.
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Brey’s not really a Duke guy. He was a HS coach that K hired to help with Baltimore recruiting. Nowhere near the legacy of Wojo & Co.
Mark Titus is convinced it’s Capel bc Ge leads how they recruit NOW.
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Might as well have been watching JV girls HS ball vs varsity boys. That was the disparity today. We were faster, stronger, more active, more talented and better coached.
Loved it!!!!!!!!
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I know this isn’t supposed to be a coach K replacement thread.... but insomuchas it impacts Wojo’s standing:
Look to the pros:
Duke guy: Quin Snyder
Pedigree: Billy Donovan
Squeaky clean: Rick Pitino looking for a job ;D :o ::)
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TAMU
Respect you calling your shot and hope you are right. I think it might be a bit premature. Fun win today, but a lot of work ahead. I like the freshman and think they all might be good players. Again, a ton of work ahead before I would be calling a shot.
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Brey’s not really a Duke guy. He was a HS coach that K hired to help with Baltimore recruiting. Nowhere near the legacy of Wojo & Co.
Mark Titus is convinced it’s Capel bc Ge leads how they recruit NOW.
Why would any one want to follow K?
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The Age of the Popcorn Skunk is over. The Age of the Eagle is about to begin.
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Why Quin Snyder? Had recruiting violations and a run in with the AD at Mizzou. Not the Dukie way.
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What about Bobby Hurley? Didn't coach under K but he's definitely a Duke guy.
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Great, fun win today. No doubt. But let's pump the brakes a bit here folks. Wisconsin is 4-7 and nobody, even after this win, is projecting MU to even make the NCAA Tourney.(fans on this site excluded)
I welcome the day when Wojo is a hot name for a "top job" and even more so for the Duke job (means he's doing a great job, right?) but we are a long ways off from that day.
I'm no Dookie, but I'd guess that Wojo is not on their top 10 list for Coach K's successor, (yet).
Trash is spot on here! If WOJO were ever to get the Duke job that would be the best thing to happen to our program in a very long time. Can't begrudge the guy for going back to his alma-mater if it's offered to him and if it is, we'll be in a great position to hire an outstanding experienced head coach instead of an up an comer as we have in the past. As of now, WOJO doesn't appear to be a strong candidate for any job, let alone Duke. Porky is definitely rooting for Wojo to get the Duke job in the next 7 years or so as long as he doesn't go somewhere else first.
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There were times during TC & Buzz that I though Marquette was on the upswing. There was never a time where I thought Bucky was on as bad of a downswing as I think they are now. That is the difference IMHO between those times and these times.
Agreed. Gard did OK with Bo's recruits, but the pipeline is drying up. UW@Madison probably won't suck as bad as they did from the Big Bang until about 1980, but they are definitely on a downward trend.
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Today's win marks a new era of the Marquette/Wisconsin rivalry. I know people have gotten sick of my "year 5 is the year" schtick since Wojo took over, but I truly believe it. Barring disaster, I see Marquette as a program on the rise for the next couple of years. 2019 recruiting will be critical to continue it but I think Wojo gets it done with the big fish we have on the hook already. Meanwhile, the Rodent is struggling. They might have a short resurgence next season with zero seniors on the roster this year, but their 2018 recruiting has been a bust. 2019 will be critical for them if they don't want to take a major tumble. Would love to see Wojo land Carton and Days over Gard.
Marquette will dominante this rivalry for the next few years. If Wojo sticks around long enough, he might even see Marquette take the series lead.
In the last 10 years the series has been pretty even both teams winning 5 games. I agree we are in the uptrend and the Badgers are on the down trend. However, I do not believe that Barry Alverez will commit to Coach Guard for the long term. It's Just not in Alverez DNA to suffer through losing . So yes we may gain a slight upper hand for a while based on roster and pipeline, but I expect a new young coach to bring their program back into prominence again soon.
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In the last 10 years the series has been pretty even both teams winning 5 games. I agree we are in the uptrend and the Badgers are on the down trend. However, I do not believe that Barry Alverez will commit to Coach Guard for the long term. It's Just not in Alverez DNA to suffer through losing . So yes we may gain a slight upper hand for a while based on roster and pipeline, but I expect a new young coach to bring their program back into prominence again soon.
I'd happily take another year-and-a-half of sucking under Gard followed by sucking through a 3-4 year rebuild. Bucky sucking for 6 years? Sign me up.
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One of the things that UW needs to worry about, and maybe this is why Gard gets a longer leash, is who would they turn to?
Obviously Tony Bennett is the obvious answer. (And he would be a great hire for them no doubt.) But what if he turns them down? The Bo coaching tree is either poor or untested. And word is that Barry learned from the Anderson football debacle that coaches with Wisconsin ties are the best way to build a program in the long-run. (I think he is right about that.) But if they can't find that guy, where do they go?
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One of the things that UW needs to worry about, and maybe this is why Gard gets a longer leash, is who would they turn to?
Obviously Tony Bennett is the obvious answer. (And he would be a great hire for them no doubt.) But what if he turns them down? The Bo coaching tree is either poor or untested. And word is that Barry learned from the Anderson football debacle that coaches with Wisconsin ties are the best way to build a program in the long-run. (I think he is right about that.) But if they can't find that guy, where do they go?
Bo’s best teams had players from Illinois, Ohio, Iowa, Minnesota, SD to complement the Wisconsin crop. However, Gard is missing on the Wisconsin crop and their crazy fan base is in full force victim blaming those recruits who high tailed it elsewhere.
If Gard cannot recruit Wisconsin, put a fork in him.
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Why would any one want to follow K?
Ding, ding, ding! Following a coaching icon/legend almost never works out - only exception I can think of is Bill Self.
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Why would any one want to follow K?
Exactly. People say "well, it's Duke." But Duke at this point is entirely a Coach K creation. Remember how hard it was for UCLA to replace Wooden, where even successful coaches (Larry Brown) were run out of town? This is going to be harder. Much harder.
A successful coach, without ties to Duke, isn't going to leave a comfortable situation to jump into that. I don't think that includes Brey. I think it's Capel, Wojo and Collins with Capel the big favorite.
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Ding, ding, ding! Following a coaching icon/legend almost never works out - only exception I can think of is Bill Self.
I think you could add Pitino following Crum at Louisville and Joe B. Hall following Rupp at Kentucky to the list, but you're correct, maintaining coaching legend's success is difficult at best,
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One of the things that UW needs to worry about, and maybe this is why Gard gets a longer leash, is who would they turn to?
Obviously Tony Bennett is the obvious answer. (And he would be a great hire for them no doubt.) But what if he turns them down? The Bo coaching tree is either poor or untested. And word is that Barry learned from the Anderson football debacle that coaches with Wisconsin ties are the best way to build a program in the long-run. (I think he is right about that.) But if they can't find that guy, where do they go?
The recruiting for football and basketball is much different. Football relies on high school coaches where relationships are built over many years . Basketball has AAU set up which makes for easier evaluations . UW will easily find the right guy if and when they sour on Gard.
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I always assumed Ben Jacobson of UNI would be a good choice for them.
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The recruiting for football and basketball is much different. Football relies on high school coaches where relationships are built over many years . Basketball has AAU set up which makes for easier evaluations . UW will easily find the right guy if and when they sour on Gard.
That's a good point about recruiting. But "easily" finding the right guy might be wishful thinking.
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Ding, ding, ding! Following a coaching icon/legend almost never works out - only exception I can think of is Bill Self.
And even that ... as well as Williams did at Kansas, he never won the big one there. And Self was a proven commodity.
Replacing Roy at UNC will be tougher.
As for F%cky ... why would Bennett want to leave UVa? I'm not saying he wouldn't, just interested in the reasons besides maybe some draw to "home." I would think he has made a pretty good home for himself at UVa.
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Today's win marks a new era of the Marquette/Wisconsin rivalry. I know people have gotten sick of my "year 5 is the year" schtick since Wojo took over, but I truly believe it. Barring disaster, I see Marquette as a program on the rise for the next couple of years. 2019 recruiting will be critical to continue it but I think Wojo gets it done with the big fish we have on the hook already. Meanwhile, the Rodent is struggling. They might have a short resurgence next season with zero seniors on the roster this year, but their 2018 recruiting has been a bust. 2019 will be critical for them if they don't want to take a major tumble. Would love to see Wojo land Carton and Days over Gard.
Marquette will dominante this rivalry for the next few years. If Wojo sticks around long enough, he might even see Marquette take the series lead.
Bump.
Well we didn't land any of the big fish in 2019....and Days ended up at Tulane with no serious high major offers...but we beat Bucky.