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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Hards Alumni on December 09, 2017, 12:55:03 PM
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Matty flipping Heldt.
Black eye gets it, with respect to Rowsey.
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Damn, it makes for a great Saturday when we crush the Vadgers....
1. Give it up for AR. I know he had the dumb technical in the beginning of the game, but he was lights out. The kid's got some stones.
2. Matt. Nice defense on Happ. I know he got his points, but he could have really gone off on us. Matt also made a few shots for us.
3. M2N. Fouls suck, but he is so good. When Rowsey went out, Markus stepped it up.
4. Sammy hit some big shots. We need him to go off more.
Geez, I like what Jamal brings to the table. He is gonna be a good one.
Nice coaching job Wojo! Go Warriors!
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Matty flipping Heldt.
Black eye gets it, with respect to Rowsey.
+1
He was the Stud today. Shut down Happ
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Rowsey
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Howard
Rowsey
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Heldt for holding Happ under 30, Theo would of had tough time doing that. Heldt blocked two shots and Happ had 5 turnovers and only 17 points. Nice job.
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Rowsey. He was the absolute key to the second half surge. Kudos to Matty who did one helluva job on Happ.
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I'd give it to Rowsey for his play in beginning of the second half. When the Badgers cut it close Rowsey scored 11 straight for MU. He stepped up after acting like a hothead. Markus was Markus...just right behind.
Unsung heroes definitely Sam and Heldt. Everyone did their thing.
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Rowsey.
He can frustrate me at times (and did today) but my lord does that kid feed off being the heel. Great game!
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I'd give it to Rowsey for his play in beginning of the second half. When the Badgers cut it close Rowsey scored 11 straight for MU. He stepped up after acting like a hothead. Markus was Markus...just right behind.
Unsung heroes definitely Sam and Heldt. Everyone did their thing.
I agree with this analysis.
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1. Rowsey - Won the game for us when Wisco made their run
2. Sammy - I think it was his help defense on Happ that gave him fits. He was also on Iverson/Ford for a lot of the game and held them to 4/10 from the floor. Offense wasn't bad either.
3. Heldt - Didn't back down from Happ and found a way to get involved on offense. Bonus points for the shiner
HM - All the MU faithful at the game. Love hearing a very loud "We are Marquette" in the Kohl Hole on the broadcast
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Heldt is very very worthy. So is Howard (led the team in rebounds and played a long time without fouling)...but Rowsey's play in the 2nd half were instrumental. Played well all around except for the dumb T.
So Rowsey is SOTG.
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Rowsey has to be
Hope he can eliminate the stupidity tho
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Rowsey
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Rowsey pulled us away when the rodents got close.
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Heldt. I think he took a huge step forward today.
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Heldt
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Cam't be Rowsey because of the brain dead technical followed by the brain dead attempt to block a jump shot.
Markus was money and he gets my vote.
But I have no problem if the award goes for defense and heart and keeping Happ from going off. Well done, Matt.
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Heldt - awesome D and timely offense. Black eye seals it
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Rowsey.
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Rowsey, Heldt, Hauser, and Howard are all viable choices.
I'll say Heldt because we all knew the only ways Bucky won were Happ going off or their shooters getting hot off Happ's passing out of the post. Happ was the key and they never really stood a chance because he couldn't assert himself how he needed to.
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Cam Marotta - epitomizes the true team win that this was.
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Heldt! Worked his ass off.
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Rowsey, he really redeemed himself in the second half. But a great team effort, great win.
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Matt. Holding down Happ is beyond key.
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I'm going Rowsey. His stretch in the second half really helped stall any momentum UW had going. That was huge. Markus is a close second, partly for playing well, partly for shushing the crowd midway through the first half. It's cocky, but I live that on the road in Madison.
Heldt had a nice game, but Happ was still over his season average, so I don't know if Matt really slowed Happ down that much. I really thought Sam's help D was big today in throwing Happ off his game.
All in all, a great team game. And a nice game plan from Wojo. Credit to the coach on this one too.
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King and Trice.
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Markus and Andrew played their average game. Heldt for STOG.
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Matt
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Gotta go with Rowsey.
He drives me nuts with his drives, although he's been doing better lately (10 dimes last game).
I hated the technical, there was no need for it (sometimes there is). There was one time on a break that he fired away (and made) when Greg was wide open for the bunny, which I would have liked to see (likely flush).
Markus was Markus, Matty had a great game (should have been 5 for 5), but the fact of the matter is that I have noticed that the offense is not the same when Rowsey is on the bench. It makes me concerned about the PG dearth next year.
Give the Badgers credit, no fouls on Rowsey's shot fake today.
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No clear cut guy. Hard to give it to Rowsey because he only played 20 minutes because of foul trouble due to his dumb technical. But he was money when he played. Howard was his usual solid self which is really good. Heldt solid D on Happ, but really had help. Hauser his usual very good all around game.
I'd go:
1. Howard
2. Rowsey
3. Hauser
4. Heldt
Would not argue a whole lot with any of those choices.
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WOJO
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Gotta go with Rowsey.
He drives me nuts with his drives, although he's been doing better lately (10 dimes last game).
I hated the technical, there was no need for it (sometimes there is). There was one time on a break that he fired away (and made) when Greg was wide open for the bunny, which I would have liked to see (likely flush).
Markus was Markus, Matty had a great game (should have been 5 for 5), but the fact of the matter is that I have noticed that the offense is not the same when Rowsey is on the bench. It makes me concerned about the PG dearth next year.
Give the Badgers credit, no fouls on Rowsey's shot fake today.
Incorrect. He got 'em once and hit all 3 free throws during his second half run.
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Give the Badgers credit, no fouls on Rowsey's shot fake today.
Nah they had one on a three pointer.
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1. Rowsey
2. Howard
3. Heldt
4. Sam
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WOJO
His defensive gameplan today to shut down Happ was great
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His defensive gameplan today to shut down Happ was great
This deserves more notice. We all get down on Wojo quite a bit after sewing some tough losses and consistent defensive lapses. We know our team's faults well enough so surely Wisconsin knows them too. However, we still absolutley controlled that game start to finish. We hit shots (which we need to do) but our defense was very good. Let's give Wojo some credit. His two best players are closer in size to your average middle-aged father than D1 basketball players. They have still competed every game this year.
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Even if I hate it to give it to him bc first half dumbness he overcame the attempted rodent comeback almost by himself, Rowsey.
D SOTG goes to Matt / Hauser
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KPom and I agree: Wowsey
Matty with a nice two way game.
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1)rowsey ain't lousy
2)matt knows how big these games are-he get's the "black n blue ball" award
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1)rowsey ain't lousy
2)matt knows how big these games are-he get's the "black n blue ball" award
Paging 4Ever
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1)rowsey ain't lousy
2)matt knows how big these games are-he get's the "black n blue ball" award
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Rowsey, Howard, Hauser, Heldt
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Hauser or heldt.
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1) Rowsey
2) Heldt
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1. Rowsey
Honorable Mention Heldt ,Hauser
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Markus Rowsey
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Rowsey for single handedly out scoring WI for much of the 2nd half
Matt for honorable mention
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Heldt had his arms out on D. He took up a ton of space in the middle. This won’t be measured by any stat. He was impressive with his defensive presence. Happ was intimidated when Matt covered the center of the lane.
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Happ was intimated when Matt covered the center of the lane.
A year ago, did you ever think you would be saying that?
Or that Mattie would be in charge of guarding an All-American center and have only two fouls for the game?
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A year ago, did you ever think you would be saying that?
Or that Mattie would be in charge of guarding an All-American center and have only two fouls for the game?
Not to knock Matt, because I think he did an awesome job and I love seeing the hard work and little things he does be recognized (maybe he gets the Juan Anderson award?), but I was shocked after halftime that Gard hardly changed his offensive sets at all. Did nothing to get Happ more involved. He made MU's defense look average, and that takes some doing.
I haven't watched enough Wisconsin basketball to know if that's how they played with Trice and King (because really, why would you watch that basketball team on purpose?), but it will be interesting to see if Gard can outlive his growing pains as head coach.
SOTG has to be Rowsey.
Excruciatingly efficient in only 20 minutes today.
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I love these games after which there are so many deserving candidates! I'd have no problem with anybody mentioned so far.
We can't give it to Wojo because coaches no matta, so I think I go with Howard.'
Rowsey was great when he played, but he didn't play enough and Howard carried the team in his absence. Took it to F%ucky all day.
Heldt ... I think it was his second-best game since he was a HS player in Neenah. Really battled Happ play after play. Got some help but also really went at him. Nicely done in the final game before Froling becomes eligible.
Rowsey also would be a great choice. He was money in his 20 minutes.
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I will say it agin because I do not realky believe anyone correctly remembers the context in which i said Heldt is better for the team than Fischer. I said it originally last uear and everyone went batcrap and took it completely out of context. Now would matty ever beat Fischer in a game of one on one? Hardly. However on a team like last year and this years team as well that can score 80-90 points like its nothing we need a good defenseive center. Matty can run wojos ball screen defense, matt can rebound, matt can guard one on one, matt can hit free throws. One v one Fischer is a more polished iffensive player. Matt makes this years n last years teams better. Wojo saw it n team took off when he began starting him last year. Context people context
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I think that was the best game Heldt has ever played. He even got back after hedging out high for the first time this year!
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Everyone wants to give Matt credit and I think time to judge on merit. He played fine today, but if that was Luke’s performance it would not be mentioned. Based SOTG on performance and not effort.
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M2N led us in rebounds lol
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Again people want to put value soley on points scored. Mu doesnt need more points they need a good defensive 5 and matt is leaps and bounds better defensively than fischer was.
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I'll go with Howard. At least a couple times in the second half the Badgers closed the lead to 6, and Markus responded. UW was slow to close him out on threes — including the amazing fadeaway haplessly defended by Happ — and simply had no answer for the floater in the lane.
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I will say it agin because I do not realky believe anyone correctly remembers the context in which i said Heldt is better for the team than Fischer. I said it originally last uear and everyone went batcrap and took it completely out of context. Now would matty ever beat Fischer in a game of one on one? Hardly. However on a team like last year and this years team as well that can score 80-90 points like its nothing we need a good defenseive center. Matty can run wojos ball screen defense, matt can rebound, matt can guard one on one, matt can hit free throws. One v one Fischer is a more polished iffensive player. Matt makes this years n last years teams better. Wojo saw it n team took off when he began starting him last year. Context people context
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54794.0
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Lots of context in there
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Matt. SOTG is not only about points. Marty had a great great game
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I will say it agin because I do not realky believe anyone correctly remembers the context in which i said Heldt is better for the team than Fischer. I said it originally last uear and everyone went batcrap and took it completely out of context. Now would matty ever beat Fischer in a game of one on one? Hardly. However on a team like last year and this years team as well that can score 80-90 points like its nothing we need a good defenseive center. Matty can run wojos ball screen defense, matt can rebound, matt can guard one on one, matt can hit free throws. One v one Fischer is a more polished iffensive player. Matt makes this years n last years teams better. Wojo saw it n team took off when he began starting him last year. Context people context
For the love of God let it go.
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Rowsey.
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I will say it agin because I do not realky believe anyone correctly remembers the context in which i said Heldt is better for the team than Fischer. I said it originally last uear and everyone went batcrap and took it completely out of context. Now would matty ever beat Fischer in a game of one on one? Hardly. However on a team like last year and this years team as well that can score 80-90 points like its nothing we need a good defenseive center. Matty can run wojos ball screen defense, matt can rebound, matt can guard one on one, matt can hit free throws. One v one Fischer is a more polished iffensive player. Matt makes this years n last years teams better. Wojo saw it n team took off when he began starting him last year. Context people context
Spell check people spell check
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Everyone wants to give Matt credit and I think time to judge on merit. He played fine today, but if that was Luke’s performance it would not be mentioned. Based SOTG on performance and not effort.
I think this is important. Mattie had a good game, but that's all. The help defense from Sam and others that came most of the day was crucial.
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I can't decide between Rowsey, Howard, and Hauser. Rowsey was the stud of 10 minutes in the 2nd half but some dumb fouls put him on the bench and kept the game somewhat in doubt. Howard was great in the first half and solid throughout, plus lead us with 7 rebounds. Hauser was just steady and his D on the double team was great.
Heldt was solid but he benefited from a lot of help. Tough call but I'll give the edge to Rowsey and his 94% eFG.
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Rowsey
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I will say it agin because I do not realky believe anyone correctly remembers the context in which i said Heldt is better for the team than Fischer. I said it originally last uear and everyone went batcrap and took it completely out of context. Now would matty ever beat Fischer in a game of one on one? Hardly. However on a team like last year and this years team as well that can score 80-90 points like its nothing we need a good defenseive center. Matty can run wojos ball screen defense, matt can rebound, matt can guard one on one, matt can hit free throws. One v one Fischer is a more polished iffensive player. Matt makes this years n last years teams better. Wojo saw it n team took off when he began starting him last year. Context people context
Really? Where is that dead horse meme when I need it?!?!?
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Really? Where is that dead horse meme when I need it?!?!?
Which one you want?
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Which one you want?
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Great stuff, TAMU!!!! (Still ... Heldt > you at meme-ing.)
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I can't decide between Rowsey, Howard, and Hauser. Rowsey was the stud of 10 minutes in the 2nd half but some dumb fouls put him on the bench and kept the game somewhat in doubt. Howard was great in the first half and solid throughout, plus lead us with 7 rebounds. Hauser was just steady and his D on the double team was great.
Heldt was solid but he benefited from a lot of help. Tough call but I'll give the edge to Rowsey and his 94% eFG.
Howard was great for ~12 minutes of the first half.
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Rowsey.
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Maybe we need to be more objective in this such as for each player:
1-10, 1-poor, 10-outstanding
A. Offensive Performance
B. Defensive Performance
C. Miscellaneous Performance (Fouls, Turnovers)
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Rowsey, came in when Howard picked up his 3rd and lit it up when the rodents tried to make a run.
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I can't decide between Rowsey, Howard, and Hauser.
I vote for the three-headed monster.
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I vote for the three-headed monster.
BINGO!
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MUBB says Matt.
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Rocky's "traveling" again...aka, he is off smoking Colorado weed and drinking craft beer somewhere.
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1. Rowsey
2. Sam/Sacar- It was their help on happ that contained him
3. M2N
4. Matt
5. Theo- Awesome Block
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Rowsey.
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Rocky's "traveling" again...aka, he is off smoking Colorado weed and drinking craft beer somewhere.
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Finally watched the game from recording. Definitely Heldt.
Rowsey and Howard had too many stupid mistakes despite great scoring, and they didn't play defense on Davison at all.
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Without Heldt, MU still wins. Without Rowsey or Howard, we don’t.
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Without Heldt, MU still wins. Without Rowsey or Howard, we don’t.
Yeah, I don't get the Heldt votes. He played good defense, but when he was left to guard Happ without help it didn't go so well. It was strategic double teams that stopped Happ as much as anything. Heldt played very well, but not at the level of our usual big three.
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Heldt votes are from Heldt family members or scoopers that hold effort over real value of performance. There really is no discussion on SOTG that would include Matt, unless trying to make a point.
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Agree with Sultan, Warrior and Goose.- Heldt was solid, but no better than #4 in the SOTG contest. Rowsey is #1, IMO.
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Alright, updated. Wowsey still has 7+ days to enjoy his award.
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Alright, updated. Wowsey still has 7+ days to enjoy his award.
Full Service.
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Full Service.
GFE
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A fine choice, rocky. Would have hard to go wrong after that one.
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What are the scoop odds that someone other than the big 3 puts up a SOTG performance?
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So how many SOTGs have been chosen that were not the leading or second leading scorer of the game?
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So how many SOTGs have been chosen that were not the leading or second leading scorer of the game?
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So how many SOTGs have been chosen that were not the leading or second leading scorer of the game?
#scoringmatta
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So how many SOTGs have been chosen that were not the leading or second leading scorer of the game?
So like, 3rd leading scorer? Occasionally, usually double-double type performances. I usually look at the box score, and go for the "best" line. For WI that would have been Markus (to me), but Rowsey was so efficient in his scoring (only 20 min!), that it bumped him up in this case. And the voting on this thread noMatta, I am known to buck the trend a couple times a year.
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So how many SOTGs have been chosen that were not the leading or second leading scorer of the game?
Lol
I was just going to type this same thing. Can we just change these threads to highest score of the game aka HSOG. Most posters only watch the ball during a game n then vote for high scorer. Turns into kind of a silly thread
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Lol
I was just going to type this same thing. Can we just change these threads to highest score of the game aka HSOG. Most posters only watch the ball during a game n then vote for high scorer. Turns into kind of a silly thread
Perhaps this would be more up your alley:
How about we do a Goat of the Game when we lose?
GOTG can go to that one guy who failed to rotate over quickly enough on that one possession and swung the momentum against us and lost us the whole damn game.
Or maybe he can be that one towel boy, who, if you weren't so focused on the ball, you would have noticed failed to wipe the elbow during that one timeout, where Markus slipped and turned the ball over, causing us to lose the whole damn game.
Or, more likely, you can vote for that person, and then Rocky will override you and Wojo will "win" every GOTG.
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Perhaps this would be more up your alley:
How about we do a Goat of the Game when we lose?
GOTG can go to that one guy who failed to rotate over quickly enough on that one possession and swung the momentum against us and lost us the whole damn game.
Or maybe he can be that one towel boy, who, if you weren't so focused on the ball, you would have noticed failed to wipe the elbow during that one timeout, where Markus slipped and turned the ball over, causing us to lose the whole damn game.
Or, more likely, you can vote for that person, and then Rocky will override you and Wojo will "win" every GOTG.
Strange
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Some people act as contrarians and think they're geniuses.
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So like, 3rd leading scorer? Occasionally, usually double-double type performances. I usually look at the box score, and go for the "best" line. For WI that would have been Markus (to me), but Rowsey was so efficient in his scoring (only 20 min!), that it bumped him up in this case. And the voting on this thread noMatta, I am known to buck the trend a couple times a year.
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier. So long as I'm the dictator"
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Just so happy we have these 3 to lead the charge in this poll this year and it replaced 16-17's leader in Fischer.