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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: WarriorDad on November 25, 2017, 02:16:55 PM
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We received a letter from Dr. Lovell this week that tuition will increase from $39,330 to $41.290 for next year. We expected an increase. This isn't a complaint, more informational.
We are please with the education our child is receiving. If there was a complain, it would be for the school to sync up fund raising with these announcements. Two weeks ago we received a letter also from Dr. Lovell to donate $2,500 a year. We chose to donate something less than that, but in hindsight receiving the tuition increase letter in conjunction with that one could be better planned.
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Can anyone provide year-by-year undergrad tuition for the past ~30 years or so? I can get back to several years per the MU website, but would be curious to go waaay back. Trying to remember what mine was... I was thinking $11k-ish to start, $14k-ish at the end, but might be way off.
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All-in, it was about $5,000 annually for 1974 to 1975. That included tuition and room and board.
The CAGR from that time to now is about 5.5 percent.
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From 1980-84, I'm pretty sure tuition went from about $3,500 to $5,000/year. That's just tuition, no books, room or board.
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Tuition my freshman year wuz ‘bout $1650/semester. Hear’s da bitch of it all, I could earn enough bread workin’ in the summer ta pay for it, hey?
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Tuition my freshman year wuz ‘bout $1650/semester. Hear’s da bitch of it all, I could earn enough bread workin’ in the summer ta pay for it, hey?
I lumped loads at the warehouses off Blue Mound back in the day after my regular shift in the warehouse to pay for tuition.
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Tuition my freshman year wuz ‘bout $1650/semester. Hear’s da bitch of it all, I could earn enough bread workin’ in the summer ta pay for it, hey?
You still can if you work in the right industry, ain.a?
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They ask families to donate $2500 a year? On top of tuition?
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They ask families to donate $2500 a year? On top of tuition?
That's getting to be more common. Our daughter goes to another school, and we regularly receive requests to contribute to the "Parents' Fund."
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A bargain at any price for the Ivy of Southeastern Wisconsin!
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I don't think that you should feel obligated to contribute more than the tuition. But, in my experience as a parent with kids in private school, you will be asked/pressured into contributing more. My kids are younger (5th and 3rd grades) but we are expected to contribute $1,250 per kid above tuition each year in addition to the "soft" contributions such as hosting events, donating items to the auction, purchasing things at the auction, etc, etc.
When we got married our financial advisor told us that if we planned on sending our kids to private school through high school, and paying for their undergrad, add 15% to the projected tuitions. Pre undergrad for donations/auctions/etc, undergrad for donations/visits/season tickets/etc. I thought he was insane at the time but he has been pretty accurate to date (actually made the additional expectations easier to handle)
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I started in 03-04, and tuition was a shade under 19k if I remember correctly.
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I don't think that you should feel obligated to contribute more than the tuition. But, in my experience as a parent with kids in private school, you will be asked/pressured into contributing more. My kids are younger (5th and 3rd grades) but we are expected to contribute $1,250 per kid above tuition each year in addition to the "soft" contributions such as hosting events, donating items to the auction, purchasing things at the auction, etc, etc.
When we got married our financial advisor told us that if we planned on sending our kids to private school through high school, and paying for their undergrad, add 15% to the projected tuitions. Pre undergrad for donations/auctions/etc, undergrad for donations/visits/season tickets/etc. I thought he was insane at the time but he has been pretty accurate to date (actually made the additional expectations easier to handle)
For the record, Marquette's request from parents is in no way "unofficially required" in the way you describe your kids' grade school contributions. But they know if they don't ask, they won't get it. Some parents can afford it and are happy to contribute, but MU understands that for many/most parents, just paying the tuition is a stretch.
What I don't get are the parents who get straight-up upset about it. I have seen a number of posts in the Marquette Parents Facebook page where some mom got freaked because they got a phone call in the evening where the caller ID says "Marquette University", and they assume it means their kid got hit by a bus or something. Then they are angry that it's only some earnest work-study student asking for a donation. These people need to chill.
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I remember that the guy in the McCormick room next to mine in 1986 was selling T-Shirts with the Marquette Logo and the slogan "9 month party, $10,000 cover charge".
I still don't understand why my dad didn't often wear the one I bought him...
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That's getting to be more common. Our daughter goes to another school, and we regularly receive requests to contribute to the "Parents' Fund."
For Catholic HS, it is becoming more common to make the specific ask of "full cost of educating child." That is, if the school has an endowment, for example, that underwrites the "cost" (however it is determined) by say, $5,000 per year, the school asks parents to make a contribution of that $5,000.
At Fenwick HS in Chicago, they bring parents in for an in-person specific ask with the President and someone from development (I don't know if it is all parents)- as of four years ago they were looking for $5,000 to "bridge the gap." In the case of Fenwick, the endowment does not pay anywhere near this amount per student, and I am not sure how they do the calculation.
At St. Louis U. High, the endowment is significant and the school does ask parents who can to make up the difference.
At least one school (St. Ignatius) in Chicago makes a specific $$ ask and it is more or less considered required:
"The Parent Commitment Program exists because each year there is a difference between what each family pays for their student to attend Saint Ignatius College Prep and what it actually costs the school to educate that one student. Annually the cost of educating a student at Saint Ignatius is over 4,000 dollars more than tuition charged. We ask parents to make a commitment of at least $2,000 dollars to help close the gap. Based on our current enrollment of over 1,365 students, that means at least $3 million needs to be raised to cover the necessary school expenses that fall into that gap each year. So much of what we do on a daily basis for your children would not be possible without the support received from our parents. Below, you can find answers to some frequently asked questions about the Parent Commitment Program."
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For Catholic HS, it is becoming more common to make the specific ask of "full cost of educating child." That is, if the school has an endowment, for example, that underwrites the "cost" (however it is determined) by say, $5,000 per year, the school asks parents to make a contribution of that $5,000.
At Fenwick HS in Chicago, they bring parents in for an in-person specific ask with the President and someone from development (I don't know if it is all parents)- as of four years ago they were looking for $5,000 to "bridge the gap." In the case of Fenwick, the endowment does not pay anywhere near this amount per student, and I am not sure how they do the calculation.
At St. Louis U. High, the endowment is significant and the school does ask parents who can to make up the difference.
At least one school (St. Ignatius) in Chicago makes a specific $$ ask and it is more or less considered required:
"The Parent Commitment Program exists because each year there is a difference between what each family pays for their student to attend Saint Ignatius College Prep and what it actually costs the school to educate that one student. Annually the cost of educating a student at Saint Ignatius is over 4,000 dollars more than tuition charged. We ask parents to make a commitment of at least $2,000 dollars to help close the gap. Based on our current enrollment of over 1,365 students, that means at least $3 million needs to be raised to cover the necessary school expenses that fall into that gap each year. So much of what we do on a daily basis for your children would not be possible without the support received from our parents. Below, you can find answers to some frequently asked questions about the Parent Commitment Program."
At what point is that no longer considered a "gift?"
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I'm glad we're done educatin' youngins'.
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Tuition my freshman year wuz ‘bout $1650/semester. Hear’s da bitch of it all, I could earn enough bread workin’ in the summer ta pay for it, hey?
Yup! About 12k for my 9 semesters Sep '65 - Dec '69 including tuition, books and R&B. My parents earned about 12K a year between the both of them with my dad putting in a lot of OT. MU no longer affordable for a blue collar family.
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I'm glad we're done educatin' youngins'.
We have about 6 months to go! 8-)
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Working road construction in the summer with lots of OT and working 20+ hours a week as a student mgr for Saga did the trick for me.
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around $15k in 1996. IRC, business and engineering were slightly higher than the other schools.
I also recall that tuition was locked in at the freshman rate for the 4 years. is that right?
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around $15k in 1996. IRC, business and engineering were slightly higher than the other schools.
I also recall that tuition was locked in at the freshman rate for the 4 years. is that right?
If that was true, it was only for a short while. Not the case in this century or back when I was in school in the 70s-80s.
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At what point is that no longer considered a "gift?"
This may or may not have been tongue in cheek, but either way it is a good question! I think that if examined by the IRS, it would be difficult to argue the St. Ignatius ask, which really seems to be a requirement, is a tax deductible gift. The Fenwick ask really was an ask-we certainly did not have to do it, and di not have do make the gift at the requested level.
I also have long thought that the athletic/booster club gifts which are so closely linked to tickets were a problem-interesting that they are being addressed so directly in the proposed legislation.
Same for the benefit that friends of mine who work for universities receive in the form of free tuition for their children - why is the benefit not considered comp? And the new legislation addresses this as well (along with the grad student tuition “waiver”). While I do not support these two provisions of the tax proposal, I fullly understand the appeal of the logic behind it.
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This may or may not have been tongue in cheek, but either way it is a good question! I think that if examined by the IRS, it would be difficult to argue the St. Ignatius ask, which really seems to be a requirement, is a tax deductible gift.
Exactly. Especially since the commitment form must be completed as part of the application. Which really blurs those lines.
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Yup! About 12k for my 9 semesters Sep '65 - Dec '69 including tuition, books and R&B. My parents earned about 12K a year between the both of them with my dad putting in a lot of OT. MU no longer affordable for a blue collar family.
In 1965, the average household income was just above $6k. So your college education cost about double the average household income. Today, the average household income is $60k. Double the average household income would be $120k.
Total cost at MU right now for 4 years is just north of $200k, but you have to remember that the average student gets a 30% haircut off the actual book rate. So the average student is getting out with a total cost of ~$145k. Not that dissimilar compared to average household income as your family paid in 1965.
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In 1965, the average household income was just above $6k. So your college education cost about double the average household income. Today, the average household income is $60k. Double the average household income would be $120k.
Total cost at MU right now for 4 years is just north of $200k, but you have to remember that the average student gets a 30% haircut off the actual book rate. So the average student is getting out with a total cost of ~$145k. Not that dissimilar compared to average household income as your family paid in 1965.
I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here.
That 30% "haircut" is off of tuition only. The $200K number includes room and board.
So the number you should be comparing to the $12K is $200K-(40*.3*4) or $152K, or more than 2.5 times the average household income.
Also keep in mind that back in the mid-late 60's, there was typically only one wage earner per household, whereas nowadays it is more likely than not to be two.
In any case, I think Chili has the most appropriate comparison. It used to be possible for a student to pay their own way through school by working hard in the summer and part time during the school year. I don't know a single student who is paying for their own Marquette education without taking on a crap ton of debt. And Marquette makes it even harder by limiting the amount of hours you can work in an on-campus job to 20 per week.
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I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here.
That 30% "haircut" is off of tuition only. The $200K number includes room and board.
So the number you should be comparing to the $12K is $200K-(40*.3*4) or $152K, or more than 2.5 times the average household income.
Also keep in mind that back in the mid-late 60's, there was typically only one wage earner per household, whereas nowadays it is more likely than not to be two.
In any case, I think Chili has the most appropriate comparison. It used to be possible for a student to pay their own way through school by working hard in the summer and part time during the school year. I don't know a single student who is paying for their own Marquette education without taking on a crap ton of debt. And Marquette makes it even harder by limiting the amount of hours you can work in an on-campus job to 20 per week.
Very good point. I misapplied the "haircut". My main point was that it isn't as bad as people think, because most don't pay book rate.
I wasn't trying to say it's super affordable. It is not, but it isn't as bad as people think. I do like Chili's comparison also, but the thing to remember is that is partially because there were good jobs for people that didn't have a college education back then, now, the summer jobs are pretty much McD's or Walmart...and you are ineligible for OT.
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And Marquette makes it even harder by limiting the amount of hours you can work in an on-campus job to 20 per week.
I never knew this was a thing. (Clearly never had an on-campus job.)
I can't say I blame MU - in addition to all of the arguments about devoting time to school, I would imagine they just don't want the headache of having students lodge complaints that their MU job supervisors treated them in a way that didn't allow them to succeed academically.
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Very good point. I misapplied the "haircut". My main point was that it isn't as bad as people think, because most don't pay book rate.
I wasn't trying to say it's super affordable. It is not, but it isn't as bad as people think. I do like Chili's comparison also, but the thing to remember is that is partially because there were good jobs for people that didn't have a college education back then, now, the summer jobs are pretty much McD's or Walmart...and you are ineligible for OT.
Minimum wage was $3.35 an hour, and most of us had minimum wage jobs, including those of us on work study. I felt lucky that I got a summer job as a Shoney's waitress making $2.11 plus tips, which worked out closer to $5 an hour. Don't delude yourself thinking everyone who worked their way through Marquette in the olden days had some sort of great-paying position.
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I never knew this was a thing. (Clearly never had an on-campus job.)
I can't say I blame MU - in addition to all of the arguments about devoting time to school, I would imagine they just don't want the headache of having students lodge complaints that their MU job supervisors treated them in a way that didn't allow them to succeed academically.
I think the fair compromise would have been to make exceptions for kids who proved they were maintaining an acceptable GPA and demonstrated financial need.
And my experience with both my kids and myself was that nearly all supervisors were very accommodating when it came to your academic needs.
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Minimum wage was $3.35 an hour, and most of us had minimum wage jobs, including those of us on work study. I felt lucky that I got a summer job as a Shoney's waitress making $2.11 plus tips, which worked out closer to $5 an hour. Don't delude yourself thinking everyone who worked their way through Marquette in the olden days had some sort of great-paying position.
So what you're saying is that I was the exception making big bucks as a male stripper?
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around $15k in 1996. IRC, business and engineering were slightly higher than the other schools.
I also recall that tuition was locked in at the freshman rate for the 4 years. is that right?
I don't recall a locked rate... but, yes re: biz & engineering being higher. It upset me at first, but it quickly made sense since liberal arts majors are pursuing.. liberal arts degrees.
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So what you're saying is that I was the exception making big bucks as a male stripper?
Were you one of the guys my Cobeen floormates and I saw at Park Ave that one Monday night in 1981?
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Were you one of the guys my Cobeen floormates and I saw at Park Ave that one Monday night in 1981?
Pretty sure he was at La Cage
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Were you one of the guys my Cobeen floormates and I saw at Park Ave that one Monday night in 1981?
Were Marquette Painters rehabbing it?
(https://i.imgur.com/hKocZ_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
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I think the fair compromise would have been to make exceptions for kids who proved they were maintaining an acceptable GPA and demonstrated financial need.
And my experience with both my kids and myself was that nearly all supervisors were very accommodating when it came to your academic needs.
This is not an MU thing. It is a law. Students are not allowed to work on campus for more than 20 hours a week. I'm pretty certain it is associated with federal grants, but many states also have their own law against student workers exceeding 20 hours per week. They are welcome to work as many hours as they wish off campus.
Regarding making the minimum wage and paying for school. I do not know the tuition when you attended school, and am going to guess around $12k per year. At the $3.25 an hour you would have to work 3692 hours a year or roughly 70 hours a week to pay for school.
And just for the record, I worked my way through college also so that between scholarships and working 30-40 hours a week I didn't have any student loans or any debt when I graduated college.
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This is not an MU thing. It is a law. Students are not allowed to work on campus for more than 20 hours a week. I'm pretty certain it is associated with federal grants, but many states also have their own law against student workers exceeding 20 hours per week. They are welcome to work as many hours as they wish off campus.
Regarding making the minimum wage and paying for school. I do not know the tuition when you attended school, and am going to guess around $12k per year. At the $3.25 an hour you would have to work 3692 hours a year or roughly 70 hours a week to pay for school.
And just for the record, I worked my way through college also so that between scholarships and working 30-40 hours a week I didn't have any student loans or any debt when I graduated college.
I was not aware of the law, and apparently the students in question did not, either.
Tuition, room and board was about $8500 my senior year. I got a little bit of financial aid, and borrowed a relatively small amount. If you don't think going to Marquette (or any other school) is more expensive now than it was in the past, why is it that no one ever talked about crippling student loan debt back then?
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This is not an MU thing. It is a law. Students are not allowed to work on campus for more than 20 hours a week. I'm pretty certain it is associated with federal grants, but many states also have their own law against student workers exceeding 20 hours per week. They are welcome to work as many hours as they wish off campus.
Regarding making the minimum wage and paying for school. I do not know the tuition when you attended school, and am going to guess around $12k per year. At the $3.25 an hour you would have to work 3692 hours a year or roughly 70 hours a week to pay for school.
And just for the record, I worked my way through college also so that between scholarships and working 30-40 hours a week I didn't have any student loans or any debt when I graduated college.
And now, at $7.25/hr you'd have to work 5695 hours/year (100+ hrs/wk) to pay for MU's tuition only. Seems to suggest that if evaluating the price of school as compared to minimum wage that it's significantly more expensive now than it was then, no?
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This is not an MU thing. It is a law. Students are not allowed to work on campus for more than 20 hours a week. I'm pretty certain it is associated with federal grants, but many states also have their own law against student workers exceeding 20 hours per week. They are welcome to work as many hours as they wish off campus.
Regarding making the minimum wage and paying for school. I do not know the tuition when you attended school, and am going to guess around $12k per year. At the $3.25 an hour you would have to work 3692 hours a year or roughly 70 hours a week to pay for school.
And just for the record, I worked my way through college also so that between scholarships and working 30-40 hours a week I didn't have any student loans or any debt when I graduated college.
That's interesting. I wonder if that's somewhat new? It was about 4 years ago when MU capped on campus hours. Our kids knew LIMO drivers who were impacted by that. Some of the older ones and supervisors worked essentially every night to afford school each day while maintaining solid grades. One has just finished up medical school (or might still be in). Give me a hard working kid any day.
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Sure seems like tuition increases have outpaced EVERYTHING, wages, post-graduation wages, health care, housing, you name it.
(http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/college-tuition.png)
(http://peakwatch.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452403c69e2017ee3ef1950970d-800wi)
(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/50b62f7769bedd754700000a-522-476/student-tuition-earnings.jpg)
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4f999a00eab8ea7345000004-506-253/employment-and-wages-decrease-for-25-34-year-old-americans-while-cost-of-college-degree-set-to-spike.jpg)
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My main point was that it isn't as bad as people think, because most don't pay book rate.
I wasn't trying to say it's super affordable. It is not, but it isn't as bad as people think.
I just want to reiterate these statements, as I never said college tuition wasn't rising or was still affordable.
Hilltopper's graphs though illustrate an important feature. The biggest problem is wages for students/young college graduates are not increasing.
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I just want to reiterate these statements, as I never said college tuition wasn't rising or was still affordable.
Hilltopper's graphs though illustrate an important feature. The biggest problem is wages for students/young college graduates are not increasing.
It's bad. It's really bad. When I went to Marquette, I had lots of friends whose parents were blue collar workers. I don't ever remember them worrying too much about how they were going to pay for college. That isn't the case any more.
And if you added a line to Hilltopper's graphs that shows wage trends in general, you would see that the college graduate line tracks much closer to that than the college tuition costs.
But I have said everything I need to say at this point. Feel free to have the last word.
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Sure seems like tuition increases have outpaced EVERYTHING, wages, post-graduation wages, health care, housing, you name it.
(http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/college-tuition.png)
(http://peakwatch.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452403c69e2017ee3ef1950970d-800wi)
(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/50b62f7769bedd754700000a-522-476/student-tuition-earnings.jpg)
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4f999a00eab8ea7345000004-506-253/employment-and-wages-decrease-for-25-34-year-old-americans-while-cost-of-college-degree-set-to-spike.jpg)
The charts above use the "sticker price." But, as noted on the previous page, almost no one actually pays the sticker price.
In 1965, the average household income was just above $6k. So your college education cost about double the average household income. Today, the average household income is $60k. Double the average household income would be $120k.
Total cost at MU right now for 4 years is just north of $200k, but you have to remember that the average student gets a 30% haircut off the actual book rate. So the average student is getting out with a total cost of ~$145k. Not that dis
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It's kind of like Kohl's. Has anyone ever paid full price for something at Kohl's?
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Working road construction in the summer with lots of OT and working 20+ hours a week as a student mgr for Saga did the trick for me.
I assume you and I graduated same year. $2500 annual student loan plus summer job at factory and caddying on the weekends along with working as a referee for every intramural sport imaginable covered my tab, with no help from the folks, who raised seven kids on an electrician's salary. Came out of school with only debt an easily affordable $100 monthly student loan payment upon graduation. No way could a kid in that situation afford that anymore without major debt upon graduation.
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It's kind of like Kohl's. Has anyone ever paid full price for something at Kohl's?
Unless the "discounts" increase at a rate commensurate with the rate that the "sticker price" is increasing, then the net effect is that the cost is increasing.
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We received a letter from Dr. Lovell this week that tuition will increase from $39,330 to $41.290 for next year. We expected an increase. This isn't a complaint, more informational.
We are please with the education our child is receiving. If there was a complain, it would be for the school to sync up fund raising with these announcements. Two weeks ago we received a letter also from Dr. Lovell to donate $2,500 a year. We chose to donate something less than that, but in hindsight receiving the tuition increase letter in conjunction with that one could be better planned.
The request for an extra $2500K over and above tuition seems extremely brazen to me unless they're selectively targeting only those parents they know can afford it based on the financials virtually everyone has to submit these days or past donation history. If a family has more than one child in college simultaneously (at MU or elsewhere) the request is even more brazen. Again that statement assumes this is a mass mailer to all parents which it might not be. I resent the fact that previous generations have to subsidize the cost of higher education for the current one and the constant barrage of mail and occasional phone solicitations is annoying. I understand this is hardly unique to Marquette and that the system is broken, there's no doubt about that and Dr. Lovell acknowleged as much in his recent podcast. All that said, compared to most private schools on the east coast, Marquette is a relative bargain difficult though that may be to believe. It may even be less than out of state tuition at places like UW Madison, U of Michigan, and Indiana, all of whom have a pretty substantial population of students from the greater NYC metro area where I live and who's parents are gladly willing to pay the freight.
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The request for an extra $2500K over and above tuition seems extremely Brazen to me unless they're selectively targeting only those parents they know can afford it based on the financials virtually everyone has to submit these days or past donation history. If a family has more than one child in college simultaneously (at MU or elsewhere) the request is even more Brazen. Again that statement assumes this is a mass mailer to all parents which it might not be. I resent the fact that previous generations have to subsidize the cost of higher education for the current one and the constant barrage of mail and occasional phone solicitations is annoying. I understand this is hardly unique to Marquette and that the system is broken, there's no doubt about that and Dr. Lovell acknowleged as much in his recent podcast. All that said, compared to most private schools on the east coast, Marquette is a relative bargain difficult though that may be to believe. It may even be less than out of state tuition at places like UW Madison, U of Michigan, and Indiana, all of whom have a pretty substantial population of students from the greater NYC metro area where I live and who's parents are gladly willing to pay the freight.
You might be surprised who is willing to donate. It's not always the folks with the most impressive-looking balance sheet. ::)
If you don't want to donate, all you have to do is ignore the letter or say to the kid on the phone, "I'm going to have to take a pass this time."
What's the big deal? If a parent doesn't know that tuition doesn't pay 100% of the costs of sending his kid to Marquette, that's about as good a time to find out as any.
Another thing: I have heard more than one parent say, "My kid got a scholarship, and I feel fortunate that he did not need it for financial reasons. By donating, I am giving some of it back so that it can go to a kid who wouldn't be able to attend Marquette otherwise". What's wrong with that?
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You might be surprised who is willing to donate. It's not always the folks with the most impressive-looking balance sheet. ::)
If you don't want to donate, all you have to do is ignore the letter or say to the kid on the phone, "I'm going to have to take a pass this time."
What's the big deal? If a parent doesn't know that tuition doesn't pay 100% of the costs of sending his kid to Marquette, that's about as good a time to find out as any.
Another thing: I have heard more than one parent say, "My kid got a scholarship, and I feel fortunate that he did not need it for financial reasons. By donating, I am giving some of it back so that it can go to a kid who wouldn't be able to attend Marquette otherwise". What's wrong with that?
Nothing! That’s fanstastic if they do, but I would guess very few parents of existing students are actually in a position to contribute much more beyond tuition. It’s not so much that they’re asking them to contribute a little extra but rather the amount they’re asking for. $2500 seems very high to me and if their efforts to recruit more first generation college students is as successful as they say, fewer and fewer familes Have anything close to that. I certainly don’t despite being a professional with a pretty high income. About a year or so ago I received a call from a student soliciting donations and they asked if I would be willing to contribute $500 to which I replied “not if I want to pay my mortgage”. I thought it was an extremely aggressive ask but then again I don’t work in philanthropy so what do I know? I think I gave $50 bucks. Maybe there are tons of people out there with a spare five hundo to give to their alma-mater without thinking but I’m definitely not one of them. It would be great to be in that position though and wish I could. I know our giving rate is abysmally low so if a lot more people contributed less money that would presumably help. Why not ask everyone for $10 bucks. Even most recent alums could spare that.
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It's kind of like Kohl's. Has anyone ever paid full price for something at Kohl's?
i'm pretty sure i paid msrp for myself and still paying for my 2 utes-full sticker price as well. unless i missed the "yellow and blue light special", were their some coupons or something? i got the in state rate, but that was because...i was and still am a state resident
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Nothing! That’s fanstastic if they do, but I would guess very few parents of existing students are actually in a position to contribute much more beyond tuition. It’s not so much that they’re asking them to contribute a little extra but rather the amount they’re asking for. $2500 seems very high to me and if their efforts to recruit more first generation college students is as successful as they say, fewer and fewer familes Have anything close to that. I certainly don’t despite being a professional with a pretty high income. About a year or so ago I received a call from a student soliciting donations and they asked if I would be willing to contribute $500 to which I replied “not if I want to pay my mortgage”. I thought it was an extremely aggressive ask but then again I don’t work in philanthropy so what do I know? I think I gave $50 bucks. Maybe there are tons of people out there with a spare five hundo to give to their alma-mater without thinking but I’m definitely not one of them. It would be great to be in that position though and wish I could. I know our giving rate is abysmally low so if a lot more people contributed less money that would presumably help. Why not ask everyone for $10 bucks. Even most recent alums could spare that.
Because doing so would leave money on the table. That said, there are audiences and campaigns where a straight participation ask is made. These things are highly segmented though.
When you spoke to that student caller, that ask of $500 was not random. You have certain measures that assigned you to that value or giving range. Could have been past giving history, affinity metrics and/or wealth indicators.
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Minimum wage was $3.35 an hour, and most of us had minimum wage jobs, including those of us on work study. I felt lucky that I got a summer job as a Shoney's waitress making $2.11 plus tips, which worked out closer to $5 an hour. Don't delude yourself thinking everyone who worked their way through Marquette in the olden days had some sort of great-paying position.
Which Shoney's?
Sorry I missed you!
Seriously, my wife worked her way through MU. It was not easy then (1975-1979) but she was able to do it through a combination of low-paying odd jobs and really difficult summer jobs. My Dad worked his way through Marquette (1951-1955) working as a second shift postman full time (he worked for Father Naus' Dad).
Even with a tuition haircut, I'm not sure either possible today. So that leaves debt.
Imagine going into Journalism, for example, and funding half of Chick's $152,000 education with debt. That means you leave college with a $76,000 debt on a salary of, gee, $35,000 to $40,000. You can't have a home because you already have a mortgage on your college education. It will take 30 years at that rate to pay it off.
Not sure Marquette's leadership "gets" this.
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The charts above use the "sticker price." But, as noted on the previous page, almost no one actually pays the sticker price.
Want to bet on that?
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Want to bet on that?
You would lose that bet. 100% of Freshman, and 96% of all students at MU receive some form of grant in aid. For Freshman, the average grant-in-aid last year was over $15k per year (which is close to a 40% haircut).
The average indebtedness of 2016 graduates was only around 35k...largely because nearly no one pays full freight. Only 59% of MU students take any loans at all. So over 40% graduate with 0 debt.
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You would lose that bet. 100% of Freshman, and 96% of all students at MU receive some form of grant in aid. For Freshman, the average grant-in-aid last year was over $15k per year (which is close to a 40% haircut).
The average indebtedness of 2016 graduates was only around 35k...largely because nearly no one pays full freight. Only 59% of MU students take any loans at all. So over 40% graduate with 0 debt.
If the average debt is $35k, and 40% have no debt at all, does that mean that the average student who has some debt has something like $60k in loans ? That's not good.
And I promise you that the 40% who don't have debt was because they had full ride scholarships. It's because Mom and Dad could afford to pick up the entire tab. That right there shows you how much things have changed since I went there.
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Which Shoney's?
Donelson Pike. Saw a lot of interesting things working the night shift, including a woman beating the crap out of her husband's girlfriend in the vestibule of the restaurant.
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Donelson Pike. Saw a lot of interesting things working the night shift, including a woman beating the crap out of her husband's girlfriend in the vestibule of the restaurant.
Well, that's Donelson!
Closest one to me growing up was Madison Square.
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Donelson Pike. Saw a lot of interesting things working the night shift, including a woman beating the crap out of her husband's girlfriend in the vestibule of the restaurant.
Tiger Woods wife beat the crap out of him and his car on his way to Denny’s so I guess it’s comparable.
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You would lose that bet. 100% of Freshman, and 96% of all students at MU receive some form of grant in aid. For Freshman, the average grant-in-aid last year was over $15k per year (which is close to a 40% haircut).
The average indebtedness of 2016 graduates was only around 35k...largely because nearly no one pays full freight. Only 59% of MU students take any loans at all. So over 40% graduate with 0 debt.
Those number seem... hard to believe. Not saying you're making them up, but that's an awful lot more generous than I seem to remember back in 05-09 or 09-12 law.
Do you mind defining "grant in aid?" I'm not sure of the term's precise meaning, and was wondering if that counts as the FAFSA/Fed-subsidized loans, because the feds will subsidize a tuition loan for a ham sandwich studying at Deli-U.
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You would lose that bet. 100% of Freshman, and 96% of all students at MU receive some form of grant in aid. For Freshman, the average grant-in-aid last year was over $15k per year (which is close to a 40% haircut).
The average indebtedness of 2016 graduates was only around 35k...largely because nearly no one pays full freight. Only 59% of MU students take any loans at all. So over 40% graduate with 0 debt.
I paid full price out-of-state tuition with no aid. It sucked.
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I never knew this was a thing. (Clearly never had an on-campus job.)
I can't say I blame MU - in addition to all of the arguments about devoting time to school, I would imagine they just don't want the headache of having students lodge complaints that their MU job supervisors treated them in a way that didn't allow them to succeed academically.
TAMU has the same policy. I've been told that is to keep student workers away from the threshold of hours that would require TAMU to provide them insurance. Not sure if it's the same at MU
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TAMU has the same policy. I've been told that is to keep student workers away from the threshold of hours that would require TAMU to provide them insurance. Not sure if it's the same at MU
That is the exact reason. I believe the ACA threshold is 29 hours per week, so many campuses limit students to 20 during the academic year so that they can work full time in the summer.
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I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here.
That 30% "haircut" is off of tuition only. The $200K number includes room and board.
So the number you should be comparing to the $12K is $200K-(40*.3*4) or $152K, or more than 2.5 times the average household income.
Also keep in mind that back in the mid-late 60's, there was typically only one wage earner per household, whereas nowadays it is more likely than not to be two.
In any case, I think Chili has the most appropriate comparison. It used to be possible for a student to pay their own way through school by working hard in the summer and part time during the school year. I don't know a single student who is paying for their own Marquette education without taking on a crap ton of debt. And Marquette makes it even harder by limiting the amount of hours you can work in an on-campus job to 20 per week.
I worked 20 hours at the Library $1.25/hr (on campus) and sang tenor at Calvary Presbyterian at 10th and Wisconsin ($75/month). Since my parents paid full freight I had to earn my spending money.
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Appears I need to clarify a few things. Forgive me. The $2500 was a recommendation to my wife and I as graduates of Marquette. That came two weeks ago. Dr. Lovell's letter and brochure identified us at a donation level of that amount. If memory serves it was titled the President's Council or Club, something like that.
This past week we received the letter for the tuition increase for our child. They were not connected directly and my apologies if people took it that way. What my spouse and I noted was the same family is receiving a request to donate the amount suggested and also a letter of a tuition increase of nearly $2000 in the span of two weeks. We found that to be unfortunate timing. We donated something like $300, but if we had donated the amount requested and then received this letter it would have raised a few eyebrows.
We would have liked to have seen them coordinate this a bit better. It is entirely possible they sent us the donation letter without doing a database scrub to see if we had children that were at Marquette. That would be a suggestion of ours. That is all.
Thank you
Proud Warrior and proud Warrior (Golden Eagle) dad
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Those number seem... hard to believe. Not saying you're making them up, but that's an awful lot more generous than I seem to remember back in 05-09 or 09-12 law.
Do you mind defining "grant in aid?" I'm not sure of the term's precise meaning, and was wondering if that counts as the FAFSA/Fed-subsidized loans, because the feds will subsidize a tuition loan for a ham sandwich studying at Deli-U.
I really can't answer this question. These numbers come from Forbes and a number of other college info aggregating sites. They don't define what is called grant-in-aid.
What I can provide is that the average MU student pays less than $25k in tuition a year, so the average student is getting a decrease of around $15k per year. These are calculated from numbers from MU directly. That $15k is also what Forbes lists as the average grant-in-aid for MU students.
To me that would seem to indicate it does not include subsidized loans as grant-in-aid, but its a bit hand wavy of an argument. I do know for a fact though that only ~50% of MU students take any government loans at all.
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TAMU has the same policy. I've been told that is to keep student workers away from the threshold of hours that would require TAMU to provide them insurance. Not sure if it's the same at MU
That is the exact reason. I believe the ACA threshold is 29 hours per week, so many campuses limit students to 20 during the academic year so that they can work full time in the summer.
I can't speak for the institutions that you two are at. But I've been at 4 different Universities in different capacities since the mid-late 90's, in 4 different states...a mixture of public and private institutions. Everyone of them including in the 90's and long before the ACA was put in place had the same 20-hour rule.
I've been told at all of those places it is part of requirements associated with work-study. Work-study is exempt from FICA taxes, and if I'm correct, the tax laws and work-study laws have had a cap of 20 hours for over 20 years.
I've known of creative ways people have gotten around this rule in the past to help out students.
Now some campuses used to have other jobs that were part time jobs (not work-study) that would have been subject to all taxes. Those could exceed 20 hours, but most Universities did away with most of them a long time ago, to provide more work-study opportunities for students that needed the financial boost in a job that wouldn't affect their studies.
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Not all student employees are work study. In fact the vast majority of them aren't. And yes, I have known students who have strung multiple campus jobs together to get up to 30 hours.
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Neither of our kids had work study at MU and both had jobs. They had taxes deducted just like any other job. And until about 2014, they were not subject to a formal 20 hour cap although they personally never worked more than that. Chime in here Chitown. Some of your colleagues drove, dispatched or supervised nearly every night, yes? Kudos to those incredibly hard working kids.
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Because doing so would leave money on the table. That said, there are audiences and campaigns where a straight participation ask is made. These things are highly segmented though.
When you spoke to that student caller, that ask of $500 was not random. You have certain measures that assigned you to that value or giving range. Could have been past giving history, affinity metrics and/or wealth indicators.
As a former student caller this is incorrect. Yes it is segmented but in training they told us to ask $500 no matter what the segment unless there was a previous donation that was higher then 500. Almost nobody actually did but that doesn’t mean we weren’t supposed to
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As a former student caller this is incorrect. Yes it is segmented but in training they told us to ask $500 no matter what the segment unless there was a previous donation that was higher then 500. Almost nobody actually did but that doesn’t mean we weren’t supposed to
I once picked up a call from glow's grad school alma mater. Their initial ask was ten thousand dollars. We had never donated more than a C-note at a time before that. I laughed so hard the student caller ended up saying, "I'm sorry. They make me start with that amount."
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I once picked up a call from glow's grad school alma mater. Their initial ask was ten thousand dollars. We had never donated more than a C-note at a time before that. I laughed so hard the student caller ended up saying, "I'm sorry. They make me start with that amount."
Most U of C alums would laugh at 10K as being embarrassingly too low.
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As a former student caller this is incorrect. Yes it is segmented but in training they told us to ask $500 no matter what the segment unless there was a previous donation that was higher then 500. Almost nobody actually did but that doesn’t mean we weren’t supposed to
Interesting. Thanks for clarifying.
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MU needs to get housing act together. Last night was the third attempt for Freshmen and Sophomores to register for their student housing for next year that failed. Students log in to a website based on a lottery number to select their dorm and meal plan. That began a few weeks ago, but had to be shut down as students with better lottery numbers were not able to login and passed by.
MU reset the process to ensure fairness after students loudly complained to Residence Life. A second attempt happened with same results and the entire process was delayed a few weeks until last night. Unfortunately, after several tests that said the system was ready to go, the system failed again last night. Students received an email saying no further attempts until they are certain their vendor can fix the problem.
Apparently some students are furious and several have already stated to Residence Life they are transferring from the school after the latest mishap. Others are frustrated at the lack of accountability and inability to get this right on three separate occasions. That's word from McCormick and O'Donnell students. As one student stated it might be nice if they got out of a DOS environment and had an internet presentation that appeared post 2001. For any parents out there that have to deal with the tuition payment process online at MU they can relate. Marquette needs to step up their game for the amount they are charging.
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MU needs to get housing act together. Last night was the third attempt for Freshmen and Sophomores to register for their student housing for next year that failed. Students log in to a website based on a lottery number to select their dorm and meal plan. That began a few weeks ago, but had to be shut down as students with better lottery numbers were not able to login and passed by.
MU reset the process to ensure fairness after students loudly complained to Residence Life. A second attempt happened with same results and the entire process was delayed a few weeks until last night. Unfortunately, after several tests that said the system was ready to go, the system failed again last night. Students received an email saying no further attempts until they are certain their vendor can fix the problem.
Apparently some students are furious and several have already stated to Residence Life they are transferring from the school after the latest mishap. Others are frustrated at the lack of accountability and inability to get this right on three separate occasions. That's word from McCormick and O'Donnell students. As one student stated it might be nice if they got out of a DOS environment and had an internet presentation that appeared post 2001. For any parents out there that have to deal with the tuition payment process online at MU they can relate. Marquette needs to step up their game for the amount they are charging.
Of course, every rising sophomore wants to get into Wild Hall, and they will blame the process if they don't get it.
This whole process has been a huge failure, but transferring is a terrible knee-jerk reaction. Good luck to those students in finding decent housing at another school after all the current students have made their choices.
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MU needs to get housing act together. Last night was the third attempt for Freshmen and Sophomores to register for their student housing for next year that failed. Students log in to a website based on a lottery number to select their dorm and meal plan. That began a few weeks ago, but had to be shut down as students with better lottery numbers were not able to login and passed by.
MU reset the process to ensure fairness after students loudly complained to Residence Life. A second attempt happened with same results and the entire process was delayed a few weeks until last night. Unfortunately, after several tests that said the system was ready to go, the system failed again last night. Students received an email saying no further attempts until they are certain their vendor can fix the problem.
Apparently some students are furious and several have already stated to Residence Life they are transferring from the school after the latest mishap. Others are frustrated at the lack of accountability and inability to get this right on three separate occasions. That's word from McCormick and O'Donnell students. As one student stated it might be nice if they got out of a DOS environment and had an internet presentation that appeared post 2001. For any parents out there that have to deal with the tuition payment process online at MU they can relate. Marquette needs to step up their game for the amount they are charging.
Should go to General Admission for students, aina?
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Of course, every rising sophomore wants to get into Wild Hall, and they will blame the process if they don't get it.
This whole process has been a huge failure, but transferring is a terrible knee-jerk reaction. Good luck to those students in finding decent housing at another school after all the current students have made their choices.
One night my sophomore year, the dorm food really sucked.
So I transferred to Snowflake U.
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MU resetting the process to ensure everyone getting a fair shake seems reasonable.
Frustrated, I get. Annoyed, yeah. Inconvenienced, sure.
Transferring or being "furious" over computer system failure(s)? Don't let the door hit you in the ass. MU doesn't need grads like that.
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I find it very hard to believe that someone would transfer a system failure. If true, I hope they leave campus/town ASAP.
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Meh, I think we're being a little hard on the transfer talk. I doubt anyone would actually follow through with that - but it shows how along for the ride these kids feel. You're 18, just pulled the trigger on Marquette vs all of your other options, probably just filled out your FAFSA and are realizing how much debt you're taking on, and then once you're locked in, literally the first thing the school reaches out to you about gets totally screwed up? I'd be pissed and feel a little bait and switched too. Sure, don't transfer, but a bad look for Marquette to be sure.
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Meh, I think we're being a little hard on the transfer talk. I doubt anyone would actually follow through with that - but it shows how along for the ride these kids feel. You're 18, just pulled the trigger on Marquette vs all of your other options, probably just filled out your FAFSA and are realizing how much debt you're taking on, and then once you're locked in, literally the first thing the school reaches out to you about gets totally screwed up? I'd be pissed and feel a little bait and switched too. Sure, don't transfer, but a bad look for Marquette to be sure.
No question that it was a major F-up on Marquette's side.
But threatening to transfer? Those are the kids that 5 years from now are going to march into the HR department of their place of employment and threaten to quit because their 3% raise didn't come through on their check. Mistakes happen. If they get fixed and there's no serious permanent damage, it's all good.
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Ehhh---it's a lottery. It's not like it's based on anything legitimate. They should just deal with it as is and move on to more important things.
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.. probably just filled out your FAFSA and are realizing how much debt you're taking on, and then once you're locked in, literally the first thing the school reaches out to you about gets totally screwed up?
The report said it was Freshmen and Sophs selecting for next year with a lottery .. unless that report wasn't accurate, it didn't say anything about incoming kids.
(I didn't think new kids got any say on what dorm they were getting, beyond selecting their 1-2-3 preferences ..)
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The report said it was Freshmen and Sophs selecting for next year with a lottery .. unless that report wasn't accurate, it didn't say anything about incoming kids.
(I didn't think new kids got any say on what dorm they were getting, beyond selecting their 1-2-3 preferences ..)
That's exactly right. The entire glow squad was at an accepted students' event a few weeks ago. When the floor was opened up for questions, a mom's hand shot up.
"Can you tell me which side of the new dorm has the view of the lake?"
She was given the answer, but also reminded that freshman do not get to choose specific rooms. I also had to practically nudge glow jr. and chick jr. to keep them from snickering.
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Oh okay, that's my mistake. Yeah, no matter how frustrating, the idea of threatening to transfer with a year already under your belt because you didn't get your dorm is pretty preposterous.
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If these kids want to transfer, they're in for a rude awakening. Damn-near all schools have the same allocation mechanism and hence the same problem.
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Of course, every rising sophomore wants to get into Wild Hall, and they will blame the process if they don't get it.
This whole process has been a huge failure, but transferring is a terrible knee-jerk reaction. Good luck to those students in finding decent housing at another school after all the current students have made their choices.
How are you defending the University?
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How are you defending the University?
Honestly, she's not. Nobody thinks this is okay, including everyone I've talked with in the administration. What's she's commenting on is individual over-reaction.
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If these kids want to transfer, they're in for a rude awakening. Damn-near all schools have the same allocation mechanism and hence the same problem.
Nope, the schools I went to do not have systems for 1999 for anything.
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I find it very hard to believe that someone would transfer a system failure. If true, I hope they leave campus/town ASAP.
The general response of students to any tiny inconvenience is to say "I'm transferring." In general many think they should be catered to in every way imaginable, and when they are not catered to like royalty, think the "I'm transferring" line will gain them leverage.
It doesn't. But there are little consequences to them regarding such a threat.
When they join the real world they will quickly find out that the "I'm quitting" threat, will be responded to with a don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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Honestly, she's not. Nobody thinks this is okay, including everyone I've talked with in the administration. What's she's commenting on is individual over-reaction.
'they will blame the process if they don't get it'
The process has failed three times. The process and university is to blame. Not anyone whining about it.
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'they will blame the process if they don't get it'
The process has failed three times. The process and university is to blame. Not anyone whining about it.
Marquette effed up royally. Kids reacted inappropriately. At least that is what WarriorDad claims. I have not heard the threats of transferring from any other source.
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To clarify a few things.
Existing students, not incoming.
What has irked so many of them is the start, stop, start, stop, start, stop over a multi-week period. Kids have to make sure they are ready to log in immediately so they don't lose their spot if they have a good lottery number.
Where MU comes off looking bad is this should not be this hard. These kids are used to Uber, picking an airline seat, picking a movie seat, it is the same concept. There is an inventory of rooms in various Residence Halls. You claim your room, and the room is no longer available to anyone else. Select your meal plan, done. MU can't get this right, and for tech savvy kids they are asking what the hell is going on. I don't blame them. MU isn't cheap. One time, ok. Two times, frustrating. Three times, beyond acceptable. Whether we care to admit it or not, perception is important and MU is supposed to be a leading university. This cannot keep happening. What else will IT department screw up for these kids? They may be privileged or entitled, fill in the answer, but in their world you hit an app and a movie is on immediately. MU has got to do better.
Whether kids transfer or not I cannot answer, I am only relaying what the frustrations are. Keep in mind some kids have to skip even classes to make sure they can log in at their appropriate time slot.
By the way, at least in my offspring's case, they want no part of Wild Hall. They don't want to be with the Freshmen dominated dorm and are concerned that with too many amenities people might become introverted in their own rooms constantly. They are shooting for Humphrey, Schroeder and others, but not Wild.
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One night my sophomore year, the dorm food really sucked.
So I transferred to Snowflake U.
Every night my sophomore year, the food sucked. But I stuck it out.
Maybe that's why I'm an ornery boomer with bad attitude.
I have to blame it on someone! Or something! Saga is as good as any!
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Every night my sophomore year, the food sucked. But I stuck it out.
Maybe that's why I'm an ornery boomer with bad attitude.
I have to blame it on someone! Or something! Saga is as good as any!
No 24-hour food service back then.
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And the cluster continues.......
https://www.thegoldenseagull.com/single-post/2018/04/10/Housing-website-accidentally-assigns-900-sophomores-to-live-in-Valley-Fields-dome
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And the cluster continues.......
https://www.thegoldenseagull.com/single-post/2018/04/10/Housing-website-accidentally-assigns-900-sophomores-to-live-in-Valley-Fields-dome
Living in the dome would be cool....until game day.
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Back on Day 1 Jaybee asked what tuition was dating back a number of years. This is what tuition looks like per the Common Data Set dating back to 2001-2002.
2001-2002 $18,400
2002-2003 ??
2003-2004 $20,350
2004-2005 $21,550 5.9%
2005-2006 $22,950 6.5%
2006-2007 $24,670 7.5%
2007-2008 $26,270 6.5%
2008-2009 $27,720 5.5%
2009-2010 $28,680 3.5%
2010-2011 $30,040 4.7%
2011-2012 $31,400 4.5%
2012-2013 $32,810 4.5%
2013-2014 $34,200 4.2%
2014-2015 $35,480 3.7%
2015-2016 $36,720 3.5%
2016-2017 $38,000 3.5%
2017-2018 $39,300 3.4%
2018-2019 $41,290 5.1%
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Back on Day 1 Jaybee asked what tuition was dating back a number of years. This is what tuition looks like per the Common Data Set dating back to 2001-2002.
2001-2002 $18,400
2002-2003 ??
2003-2004 $20,350
2004-2005 $21,550 5.9%
2005-2006 $22,950 6.5%
2006-2007 $24,670 7.5%
2007-2008 $26,270 6.5%
2008-2009 $27,720 5.5%
2009-2010 $28,680 3.5%
2010-2011 $30,040 4.7%
2011-2012 $31,400 4.5%
2012-2013 $32,810 4.5%
2013-2014 $34,200 4.2%
2014-2015 $35,480 3.7%
2015-2016 $36,720 3.5%
2016-2017 $38,000 3.5%
2017-2018 $39,300 3.4%
2018-2019 $41,290 5.1%
What's more important is what the average student actually pays out of pocket. There's a ton of discounting going on, not just at MU, but at almost every private schools (and many publics too.)
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I remember picking housing for my freshman year (Fall of 2004), and you were asked to rank your top 4 choices. MU screwed that up so tons of people (myself included) ended up with a choice that they didn't even include in their top 4. It was pretty infuriating at the time, but it all worked out. I had a great year.
MU does need to get their ducks in a row for the amount they charge, but students need to learn to roll with it. It is housing for 9 months. It really isn't that big of a deal.
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I remember picking housing for my freshman year (Fall of 2004), and you were asked to rank your top 4 choices. MU screwed that up so tons of people (myself included) ended up with a choice that they didn't even include in their top 4. It was pretty infuriating at the time, but it all worked out. I had a great year.
MU does need to get their ducks in a row for the amount they charge, but students need to learn to roll with it. It is housing for 9 months. It really isn't that big of a deal.
Exact same timeframe, got put in a spot I didn't list. Worked out though.
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I remember picking housing for my freshman year (Fall of 2004), and you were asked to rank your top 4 choices. MU screwed that up so tons of people (myself included) ended up with a choice that they didn't even include in their top 4. It was pretty infuriating at the time, but it all worked out. I had a great year.
MU does need to get their ducks in a row for the amount they charge, but students need to learn to roll with it. It is housing for 9 months. It really isn't that big of a deal.
That is easier said for an alum not raised in the digital world. In my day it was extremely archaic. These kids have been raised on smart phones, tablets, computers. You press a button and things happen. When they don't happen three different occasions their world feels like it is crashing. You are not wrong, they do need to role with it, but their point of view on technology is much different than ours. They have very little patience for stuff not working, and those companies, universities, etc, that just make it work are going to be their customers. Those that fail at what should be trivial tasks of delivering a service will fail.
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That is easier said for an alum not raised in the digital world. In my day it was extremely archaic. These kids have been raised on smart phones, tablets, computers. You press a button and things happen. When they don't happen three different occasions their world feels like it is crashing. You are not wrong, they do need to role with it, but their point of view on technology is much different than ours. They have very little patience for stuff not working, and those companies, universities, etc, that just make it work are going to be their customers. Those that fail at what should be trivial tasks of delivering a service will fail.
In this case the students got angry at MU, because a third party contractor, who was handling the IT side of this process couldn't get their program working properly.
These kids need to get their undies out of a bunch, because they look like 2-year olds throwing a fit because their sandwich is cut into a square instead of a rectangle.
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In this case the students got angry at MU, because a third party contractor, who was handling the IT side of this process couldn't get their program working properly.
These kids need to get their undies out of a bunch, because they look like 2-year olds throwing a fit because their sandwich is cut into a square instead of a rectangle.
I don't think so. Kids had to move schedules, MISS CLASSES on multiple occasions, to register for dorms three times and still doesn't work.
I'm sorry, but when you miss class and the university can't get it right, that isn't going to sit well with them. Saying that is equivalent of a rectangle sandwich misses the mark. Fortunately most kids don't miss class because of the time of day, but some did or had to move other schedules.
University has to get this right. Vendor or not, the university controls that relationship. Anyone that works for a living with vendors knows that which pays the bills controls. That vendor should be taking absolute hell on this, refunding money and making sure they have tested this for days every which way. Cannot let it fail again.
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I don't think so. Kids had to move schedules, MISS CLASSES on multiple occasions, to register for dorms three times and still doesn't work.
If kids had to move schedules, MISS CLASSES, then they aren't responsible enough to be in college.
Simple solution, tell your professor that you may be on your computer/phone in class for 2-minutes because you need to register for dorms/classes/whatever.
Happens all the time. Professors don't care. If the student isn't smart enough/responsible enough to have such foresight they aren't ready for college.
The reality is, the kids want something to complain about. IF they MISSED CLASS, it is because they wanted to miss class and are now using this as an excuse, and something to get angry about.
They need to grow up, crap happens, you may be late for work because of a car accident, a light being out, power outage etc. This is a trivial matter that is being rectified.
A square is a rectangle get over it.
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If kids had to move schedules, MISS CLASSES, then they aren't responsible enough to be in college.
Simple solution, tell your professor that you may be on your computer/phone in class for 2-minutes because you need to register for dorms/classes/whatever.
Happens all the time. Professors don't care. If the student isn't smart enough/responsible enough to have such foresight they aren't ready for college.
The reality is, the kids want something to complain about. IF they MISSED CLASS, it is because they wanted to miss class and are now using this as an excuse, and something to get angry about.
They need to grow up, crap happens, you may be late for work because of a car accident, a light being out, power outage etc. This is a trivial matter that is being rectified.
A square is a rectangle get over it.
i have to disagree here forget-i remember very well, my first semester. there are A LOT of changes going on. most don't know there room mates, most don't know exactly where their classes are, getting books, supplies etc. this is a whole new lifestyle. it was so very important that i got off to a good start knowing that undergrad was still a stepping stone to where i really wanted to go-dental school. and i was only 30 minutes from home. to not know where the hack you're going to have to unpack your chit and lay your head down at night is a pretty big deal
yes, get over it, but you seem to minimizing it quite a bit. the transfer talk is probably more "chest puffing" than anything else. let 'em vent, but they need to be assured things are being taken care of...quickly. it happens to everyone ain't very comforting to those who are in the middle of it. A LOT of money being paid to get off to a poor start. yes, in the end they will look back and write on scoop about it and will be a learning experience, but right now, it sucks
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i have to disagree here forget-i remember very well, my first semester. there are A LOT of changes going on. most don't know there room mates, most don't know exactly where their classes are, getting books, supplies etc. this is a whole new lifestyle. it was so very important that i got off to a good start knowing that undergrad was still a stepping stone to where i really wanted to go-dental school. and i was only 30 minutes from home. to not know where the hack you're going to have to unpack your chit and lay your head down at night is a pretty big deal
yes, get over it, but you seem to minimizing it quite a bit. the transfer talk is probably more "chest puffing" than anything else. let 'em vent, but they need to be assured things are being taken care of...quickly. it happens to everyone ain't very comforting to those who are in the middle of it. A LOT of money being paid to get off to a poor start. yes, in the end they will look back and write on scoop about it and will be a learning experience, but right now, it sucks
Except the subject of this discussion is not about kids in their first semester
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If kids had to move schedules, MISS CLASSES, then they aren't responsible enough to be in college.
Simple solution, tell your professor that you may be on your computer/phone in class for 2-minutes because you need to register for dorms/classes/whatever.
Happens all the time. Professors don't care. If the student isn't smart enough/responsible enough to have such foresight they aren't ready for college.
The reality is, the kids want something to complain about. IF they MISSED CLASS, it is because they wanted to miss class and are now using this as an excuse, and something to get angry about.
They need to grow up, crap happens, you may be late for work because of a car accident, a light being out, power outage etc. This is a trivial matter that is being rectified.
A square is a rectangle get over it.
The school literally had the selection process done during some class times. How is a kid, who wants to attend all classes, supposed to get out of that if their scheduled time is during one of the evening classes? That's the kid's fault? If your class was from 4:00pm until 5:00pm and your assigned time to register was 4:30pm, that is the student's fault?
Fortunately the 4th time was the charm and the students were able to register for their dorms and food plans.
What the school should do is send each current student their lottery number position and instead of an assigned time, they have two weeks to choose their 1st, 2nd, 3rd options which they can put in anytime in that two week period. Then after the deadline they assign based on lottery number. No one misses class, no one has to miss practice or intramurals, or an appointment. This is so easy it is crazy how hard they have made it.
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The school literally had the selection process done during some class times. How is a kid, who wants to attend all classes, supposed to get out of that if their scheduled time is during one of the evening classes? That's the kid's fault? If your class was from 4:00pm until 5:00pm and your assigned time to register was 4:30pm, that is the student's fault?
Fortunately the 4th time was the charm and the students were able to register for their dorms and food plans.
What the school should do is send each current student their lottery number position and instead of an assigned time, they have two weeks to choose their 1st, 2nd, 3rd options which they can put in anytime in that two week period. Then after the deadline they assign based on lottery number. No one misses class, no one has to miss practice or intramurals, or an appointment. This is so easy it is crazy how hard they have made it.
Bad idea. This isn't Frosh year. By allowing rising Sophs to select actual rooms in real time, they might know that their buddies are in #504 so then pick #505. Both my daughter and son (with a roommate in hand) chose specific floors and specific wings because of adjacent friends. Sophs are much more particular.
You've gotten a bit worked up over this Dad. They all survived despite the acknowledged cluster. And if you think this was bad, just wait until your kid lines up at 5p and 'sleeps' in the street next September waiting on Renee Row's opening the following morning! :o
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Bad idea. This isn't Frosh year. By allowing rising Sophs to select actual rooms in real time, they might know that their buddies are in #504 so then pick #505. Both my daughter and son (with a roommate in hand) chose specific floors and specific wings because of adjacent friends. Sophs are much more particular.
You've gotten a bit worked up over this Dad. They all survived despite the acknowledged cluster. And if you think this was bad, just wait until your kid lines up at 5p and 'sleeps' in the street next September waiting on Renee Row's opening the following morning! :o
I have put multiple kids through college around the country, we never had a problem anywhere. I love MU as an alumnus, support the school financially and ultimately want it to succeed. When I see this kind of stuff happen it is an unforced error and reflects poorly on the school. Where I get worked up is someone here implying it is the kids fault, but it has nothing to do with the kids at all. The idea that it is a student's fault for wanting to attend class, hear the professor and absorb the material, but that is somehow her fault for having to miss a portion of that class to ensure she has her room fulfilled because it takes place at the same exact time is baffling. You didn't make that statement, but someone in this topic has and baffling is the nicest word I will use.
My other kids, some have gone to state schools others to private schools. Big and small, but never issues like this. The idea I proposed is used at other institutions and they have a mechanism in place where our kids were all on the same floor with their buddies. It isn't that hard.
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The school literally had the selection process done during some class times. How is a kid, who wants to attend all classes, supposed to get out of that if their scheduled time is during one of the evening classes? That's the kid's fault? If your class was from 4:00pm until 5:00pm and your assigned time to register was 4:30pm, that is the student's fault?
Simple solution, tell your professor that you may be on your computer/phone in class for 2-minutes because you need to register for dorms/classes/whatever.
Happens all the time. Professors don't care.
Read my post next time. I gave you the solution in the post.
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Read my post next time. I gave you the solution in the post.
The professor isn't going to do the class over again for the student. There is great benefit for the student to be in class. She isn't worried about the absence, it is the material she is missing first hand. Copying notes is not the same as hearing it directly from the professor.
Again, how is this the student's fault or all the names you called the students that want to be in class to absorb the material? Baffling.
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The professor isn't going to do the class over again for the student. There is great benefit for the student to be in class. She isn't worried about the absence, it is the material she is missing first hand. Copying notes is not the same as hearing it directly from the professor.
Again, how is this the student's fault or all the names you called the students that want to be in class to absorb the material? Baffling.
Did you even try to read my post/solution??? I'll try to spell it out for you in more detail.
Student goes to class (note, they are going to class...meaning they are not missing class).
They inform their professor that because of their lottery time slot, they may be on their computer/phone/tablet, for a minute or 2 during class.
Student registers for their dorm slot during class.
Professor thinks...this student is responsible and professional for alerting me ahead of time. They get the dorm they want. They never miss class.
I've literally had 100's of students do the same type of thing before. It's not rocket science.
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I have put multiple kids through college around the country, we never had a problem anywhere. I love MU as an alumnus, support the school financially and ultimately want it to succeed. When I see this kind of stuff happen it is an unforced error and reflects poorly on the school. Where I get worked up is someone here implying it is the kids fault, but it has nothing to do with the kids at all. The idea that it is a student's fault for wanting to attend class, hear the professor and absorb the material, but that is somehow her fault for having to miss a portion of that class to ensure she has her room fulfilled because it takes place at the same exact time is baffling. You didn't make that statement, but someone in this topic has and baffling is the nicest word I will use.
My other kids, some have gone to state schools others to private schools. Big and small, but never issues like this. The idea I proposed is used at other institutions and they have a mechanism in place where our kids were all on the same floor with their buddies. It isn't that hard.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you here. I know the head of ORL. He was publicly forthright and apologetic multiple times regarding the situation. ORL's communication during the fiasco was excellent. And while frustrated, 99% of folks took it in stride and chalked it up to $hit happens. I suspect that the IT vendor is at serious risk of losing the contract over this. But in the middle of the cluster, making any changes was of course impossible.
And like forgetful said, every professor I know would think highly of a student that mentioned that he/she would be on his phone for 5 minutes making a housing selection during class. Are you kidding? That's the exact kind of mature handling of a situation they are trying to teach. And for those that didn't mention it, a classic 'look the other way' because there wasn't a soul on campus that didn't know the lay of the land.
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Did you even try to read my post/solution??? I'll try to spell it out for you in more detail.
I believe you are not understanding what happened, so let me explain. If things worked properly, then your solution is great. It is about a 2 to 4 minute process.
Unfortunately, the first go around was endless. Student went in to do their two minutes, and 20 minutes later they STILL had no resolution. Second time, same thing.
Third time, same thing. You couldn't pick your meal plan. So while the student is only going to be gone for 2 to 4 minutes, but ends up being gone in perpetuity because it could never complete the transaction, that is quite a different story. But this is the student's fault, right?
Now, let me ask you a question about your proposed solution. Suppose during that class a test was going on? What then? Student can login to their computer or phone in the guise of registering for a dorm? Or can leave the room while doing so on the honor system?
MU needs to do better. Kids, parents, expect the simplest of functionality to work. Don't put this blame on the students, the school screwed up.
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I believe you are not understanding what happened, so let me explain. If things worked properly, then your solution is great. It is about a 2 to 4 minute process.
Unfortunately, the first go around was endless. Student went in to do their two minutes, and 20 minutes later they STILL had no resolution. Second time, same thing.
Third time, same thing. You couldn't pick your meal plan. So while the student is only going to be gone for 2 to 4 minutes, but ends up being gone in perpetuity because it could never complete the transaction, that is quite a different story. But this is the student's fault, right?
Now, let me ask you a question about your proposed solution. Suppose during that class a test was going on? What then? Student can login to their computer or phone in the guise of registering for a dorm? Or can leave the room while doing so on the honor system?
MU needs to do better. Kids, parents, expect the simplest of functionality to work. Don't put this blame on the students, the school screwed up.
1. I never blamed the students for the problem. You've created that line of reasoning in a "Chico's-esque" type of move. I criticized the students for their response to the problem.
2. I never said MU shouldn't work to make sure this doesn't happen again. I criticized the students for their response to it.
3. I provided a simple solution to the problem. You ignored it. You are now playing the "what if" game. This isn't a big deal, nor is it a difficult problem to fix. Students are not "leaving class" to do the enrollment, they would be doing it in class. If they happened to be in a class where there was an (exam), very rare instance, and would have been possible regardless of any problems, they could simply call their parents and give them the log in info, and ask them to enroll for them. Another simple solution. I can come up with about a dozen simple solutions that do not require missing class.
Even the hypothetical you present of letting a student log in during an exam, has been done in my class. They let me know ahead of time. They get my attention during the exam and a TA makes sure that is all they are doing. Process takes 1-minute tops. Problem fixed.
Fire alarms, power outages, etc. (especially during exams) are a far larger inconvenience than any of this.
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Duke not honoring freshman roommate requests this fall.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/21/602270265/why-duke-university-wont-honor-freshman-roommate-requests-this-fall
On why Duke decided to make this change
We've watched over the last several years that an increasing number of students were preselecting roommates, taking advantage of social media or friends from home, and it began to become a much larger percentage of the class than we would've liked. There was more homogeneity among the students who chose their own roommates, and so we just reached the conclusion that it was antithetical to our aims of broadening students' horizons and, after a lot of consultation, made the decision that students would be best off by using some very simple survey about sleeping habits and things like that ... and going back to the random assignment process.
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Duke not honoring freshman roommate requests this fall.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/21/602270265/why-duke-university-wont-honor-freshman-roommate-requests-this-fall
On why Duke decided to make this change
We've watched over the last several years that an increasing number of students were preselecting roommates, taking advantage of social media or friends from home, and it began to become a much larger percentage of the class than we would've liked. There was more homogeneity among the students who chose their own roommates, and so we just reached the conclusion that it was antithetical to our aims of broadening students' horizons and, after a lot of consultation, made the decision that students would be best off by using some very simple survey about sleeping habits and things like that ... and going back to the random assignment process.
Didn't read the article but I personally think random is the way to go. It's a valuable learning opportunity.
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Didn't read the article but I personally think random is the way to go. It's a valuable learning opportunity.
I agree. One of my favorite students despised their freshman year roommate at first. They were extremely different people, from very different backgrounds.
By the end of their year, they were inseparable/best friends. Both would talk about how much they learned from each other and how much better it made them.
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I agree. One of my favorite students despised their freshman year roommate at first. They were extremely different people, from very different backgrounds.
By the end of their year, they were inseparable/best friends. Both would talk about how much they learned from each other and how much better it made them.
My son is best friends with his Frosh rando roomie and they couldn't be more different.
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Didn't read the article but I personally think random is the way to go. It's a valuable learning opportunity.
I'm also a fan of random roommate assignment. My roommate and I were very different in a lot of ways, but we became great friends and lived together three years.
I was just talking about this yesterday on the way back from a college-visit road trip with my daughter. She's already hoping that she'll find someone in advance. I think kids feel a lot of pressure to "pair off" on Facebook and other social media sites to avoid the random assignment. I think it's unfortunate. My son met a kid when he was visiting on a weekend, and lived with him. Started off a little rough, but over all they had a good year and remain good friends (even though the other kid transferred after freshman year). My daughter got paired with another athlete. It worked fine, but not great. They're not living together next year.
I think "random" is a little scary for kids, but over all, I really do think it's a great way to go.
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"You've created that line of reasoning in a "Chico's-esque" type of move."
you miss the big guy too, eyn'a?
my random freshman roomie came to school with a knife collection and was forever sharpening them. he subscribed to mercenary magazines, had an assortment of military style rifles and hand grenades at home(of course). he was also an amateur locksmith which came in very handy when someone locked themselves out of their room. and he didn't drink, but consumed about a 12-pak of regular coke per day. otherwise, i couldn't have picked a better match... ?-(
actually, with all that said, he was a pretty decent guy and even though we didn't really hang together, i didn't have to sleep with one eye open err anything
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I'm a huge fan of random roommate assignments freshmen year. Sometimes it works out great, other times it can be huge pain the butt, but that's how life is. There will be bosses you hate, bosses you love, employees you hate or love. Might as well get used to it with roommates, too.
For me, my freshmen roommate and I got along great in college, but falling out since. My sophomore roommate whom we chose to room with, we continued to room with junior and senior years and life long friends. Spoke to him again today as he is in Arizona.
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New tuition letter received.
Marquette increasing to $43,350 next year from $41,290. 4.99% increase
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It’s only money, Chico’s.
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New tuition letter received.
Marquette increasing to $43,350 next year from $41,290. 4.99% increase
What’s the net tuition per student? (They won’t tell you that.)
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What's the definition of "net" tuition?
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What's the definition of "net" tuition?
Net tuition is what the average student pays after Marquette applies their discount.
Basically it is total tuition dollars charged by MU, minus total institutional aid (not including federal financial aid or private scholarships), divided by the total number of students.
So a 5% increase in tuition doesn't really tell the whole story.
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Any guess as what it is for MU? Or any others? Ever published anywhere?
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I don't have a guess. It is generally not easy to find, because ultimately they don't want competition to know. But generally you can find some hints.
For example: https://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/May2017.pdf
"FY17 Revenues
Projected revenues are $5.1 million lower than the budget due to lower net tuition revenues, contributions, and other income. Gross tuition will be
over budget by approximately $2.9 million. This increase is due to several programs being greater than budget – undergraduate – 29 students, Law –
27, and Direct Entry Nursing – 52. (Please note for the Direct Entry Nursing, Marquette shares the revenue with the online provider, Orbis so we
only keep 30% of the revenue.)
This increase in gross tuition is offset by higher discounts. Undergraduate discount is expected to be over budget by $3.8 million. Law School
discount is expected to be over budget by $1.8 million and IntercollegiateAthletic scholarships are projected to be over budget by $0.3 million.
Therefore total net tuition revenue is projected to be $266.6 million which is lower than budget by $0.9 million."
This includes both graduate and undergraduate though. This year, Marquette had a total headcount of 11,605. Simple division shows that this would mean total net tuition of $22,972.85.
However there are problems with this. First, mixing graduate and undergraduate clouds the picture up - for instance, how many graduate students are receiving a discount since they are a TA? I have no idea. Second, headcount isn't as useful as FTE enrollment would be. Using FTE probably drives it down less than 10,000 meaning net tuition increases. Third, this includes athletic scholarships and other forms of aid that aren't accessible to most students.
But that's basically how it works.
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If you Google "Marquette Acceptance Rate", the data says that the average tuition after assistance is $31K. Don't know if this is accurate or not.
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I don't have a guess. It is generally not easy to find, because ultimately they don't want competition to know. But generally you can find some hints.
For example: https://www.marquette.edu/financeoffice/documents/May2017.pdf
"FY17 Revenues
Projected revenues are $5.1 million lower than the budget due to lower net tuition revenues, contributions, and other income. Gross tuition will be
over budget by approximately $2.9 million. This increase is due to several programs being greater than budget – undergraduate – 29 students, Law –
27, and Direct Entry Nursing – 52. (Please note for the Direct Entry Nursing, Marquette shares the revenue with the online provider, Orbis so we
only keep 30% of the revenue.)
This increase in gross tuition is offset by higher discounts. Undergraduate discount is expected to be over budget by $3.8 million. Law School
discount is expected to be over budget by $1.8 million and IntercollegiateAthletic scholarships are projected to be over budget by $0.3 million.
Therefore total net tuition revenue is projected to be $266.6 million which is lower than budget by $0.9 million."
This includes both graduate and undergraduate though. This year, Marquette had a total headcount of 11,605. Simple division shows that this would mean total net tuition of $22,972.85.
However there are problems with this. First, mixing graduate and undergraduate clouds the picture up - for instance, how many graduate students are receiving a discount since they are a TA? I have no idea. Second, headcount isn't as useful as FTE enrollment would be. Using FTE probably drives it down less than 10,000 meaning net tuition increases. Third, this includes athletic scholarships and other forms of aid that aren't accessible to most students.
But that's basically how it works.
It's way higher than that for the reasons you cite. (I don't have any inside stats.) The average undergrad pays way more than that. Way more.
Graduate school students in certain colleges are an interesting example as you indicate. That's an area where I do have personal knowledge and it certainly skews the overall data.
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The average undergrad pays way more than that. Way more.
Not to be semantic (pedantic?), but I think you're saying the median undergrad - and using that (not unfairly) as a representation of your typical Marquette student. Stats lie, or at least allow us to talk past each other. It is probably true that the mean tuition paid by Marquette students is close to $23k, but the median Marquette student pays $31k - all starting from a sticker price $43k.
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Not to be semantic (pedantic?), but I think you're saying the median undergrad - and using that (not unfairly) as a representation of your typical Marquette student. Stats lie, or at least allow us to talk past each other. It is probably true that the mean tuition paid by Marquette students is close to $23k, but the median Marquette student pays $31k - all starting from a sticker price $43k.
Yes I meant median. But it it not true (absent NEED BASED aid) that the mean UNDERGRAD pays $23k cash. A uggee (as in max) merit based scholly is in the low teens per year. (There are some very minor exceptions.) And you have better be above a 4.0, have written higher than a 32-33, and been co-captain of the soccer team in HS to achieve that.
Many kids get some level of merit based aid. For the vast majority that's in the low 4 figures taking the $43k sticker down modestly. There's no two ways about it. It's expensive to go to MU these days. For those of you a generation behind me, crank up those 529s for your kids.
What I was going at was the impact that graduate studies has on the average that Sultan calculated.
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tuition doubling in 14 years is... not great.
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Yes I meant median. But it it not true (absent NEED BASED aid) that the mean UNDERGRAD pays $23k cash. A uggee (as in max) merit based scholly is in the low teens per year. (There are some very minor exceptions.) And you have better be above a 4.0, have written higher than a 32-33, and been co-captain of the soccer team in HS to achieve that.
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This may be a year or two out of date. My kid with quals like you describe applied and was just accepted with a merit based offered in the upper teens.
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This may be a year or two out of date. My kid with quals like you describe applied and was just accepted with a merit based offered in the upper teens.
I'll accept that. Makes sense.
When my kids started tuition had yet to hit $30k as I recall.
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It’s only money, Chico’s.
I got the letter too....was going to post it. That’s a lot of pesos MU amigo.
Thankfully scholarship keeps the amount much lower. Second child about to go to school in 18 months, but likely staying west. LMU, USC, or UC schools. Does make you wonder if it is worth it. She is going into film, and peers of mine have said don’t bother, have her start as a PA and get started working. Makes you wonder.
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It's way higher than that for the reasons you cite. (I don't have any inside stats.) The average undergrad pays way more than that. Way more.
Graduate school students in certain colleges are an interesting example as you indicate. That's an area where I do have personal knowledge and it certainly skews the overall data.
According to number from MU, and a number of different sites (including Forbes) the average grant-in-aid to MU students is over $15k per year.
I discussed this last year in this same thread. What MU and other college-advising sites consider grant-in-aid will vary, but as a general rule of thumb, most private Universities are providing a 30-40% discount on the book rate on average.
Some schools (USC for instance), allow parents to pay for the entire tuition for the entire degree upfront at a discount, for parents concerned with the annual increases. Others have actively pursued overseas students from China or the Middle East that pay full freight to offset price pressures.
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Does grant in aid include need based financial assistance?
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Does grant in aid include need based financial assistance?
I would say, yes, but again, the University and these aggregating sites do not really define what they consider grant-in-aid.
Some Universities also include federal work study grants.
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I got the letter too....was going to post it. That’s a lot of pesos MU amigo.
Thankfully scholarship keeps the amount much lower. Second child about to go to school in 18 months, but likely staying west. LMU, USC, or UC schools. Does make you wonder if it is worth it. She is going into film, and peers of mine have said don’t bother, have her start as a PA and get started working. Makes you wonder.
I thought you were done with this board/website?
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I thought you were done with this board/website?
I kept being brought up by so many of you each week, it was like I was living in your heads rent free. Why not get the real thing?
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I kept being brought up by so many of you each week, it was like I was living in your heads rent free. Why not get the real thing?
That logic is sound...