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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MU82 on November 11, 2017, 10:35:42 PM
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This week, that was Miami.
A second loss, with no possibility of a conference title, should keep us from having to hear about the Gipper and Touchdown Jesus while watching the only bowls that matter.
Any ND loss in any sport is a reason to celebrate!!
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Mine was Iowa. Damnit. Well, now it’s Michigan. Go Big Blue.
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Looks like bama, Clemson, Georgia, Miami this week
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Looks like bama, Clemson, Georgia, Miami this week
For what? I can’t imagine Georgia stays in it or even above Auburn if you’re saying top 4. Oklahoma will be in there.
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Watching an undefeated Wisconsin not get to play for in the playoffs is a joy. The Big Ten western division is a fraud. What a gift to Wisconsin each and every year.
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For what? I can’t imagine Georgia stays in it or even above Auburn if you’re saying top 4. Oklahoma will be in there.
So you're saying bama, Clemson, Miami, Oklahoma?
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ND sucks
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If UW wins out - I don't think they will - they will be in the playoffs.
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Watching an undefeated Wisconsin not get to play for in the playoffs is a joy. The Big Ten western division is a fraud. What a gift to Wisconsin each and every year.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/5vxkc8.jpg)
More of a curse than a gift, if we're being honest.
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If UW wins out - I don't think they will - they will be in the playoffs.
I wouldn't doubt that, brand. Either Miami or Clemson will lose one more game because they will have to face each other for the ACC title. A second loss would definitely knock out Clemson, and it's hard to imagine a 1-loss Miami team getting in over undefeated Bucky. Here's hoping Bucky goes down like a cheap hooker before then!
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If UW wins out - I don't think they will - they will be in the playoffs.
Depends what happens above them. But if everyone above them wins out, no chance they make it in.
3 top 25 wins won't be enough.
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Depends what happens above them. But if everyone above them wins out, no chance they make it in.
3 top 25 wins won't be enough.
Four with Northwestern. Wisconsin could easily lay an egg against Michigan next week and the point is moot.
That being said, I don't expect them to beat Ohio St. in the B1G championship game.
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If UW wins out - I don't think they will - they will be in the playoffs.
Nope. Others have to do things to help them. Winning out will not be enough. Soft soft soft schedule. No road wins against top 25. Currently only one top 25 win at all. Out of conference schedule that is an embarrassment, and an in conference cupcake each and every year because they are in the west.
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Wisconsin will likely get plenty of help. First of all, the Pac 12 is out. Every school in the conference has at least two losses.
I think the only way Wisconsin is out as an undefeated is if Alabama somehow loses either to Auburn or in the SEC championship game to Georgia (which means two SEC teams are in) and the ACC champion and Oklahoma don't lose the rest of the year.
Otherwise it will likely be UW, Alabama as SEC champion, ACC champion, and Oklahoma if they win the B12 championship game.
EDIT: I fully expect Wisconsin to lose to Ohio State in the championship game. I think you will see either two SEC teams or two ACC teams in the playoffs.
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Depends what happens above them. But if everyone above them wins out, no chance they make it in.
3 top 25 wins won't be enough.
Assuming their beatdowns this weekend cause Georgia, Notre Dame and TCU to drop below Wisconsin, that puts
Becky at #5 behind Bama, Clemson, Miami and Oklahoma.
Given that Clemson and Miami will play in the ACC Championship game, it's not possible for everyone above them to win out.
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I detest Wisconsin. If they win out, they are probably in. Unlikely that those in front of them all win out.
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More of a curse than a gift, if we're being honest.
If we're being honest Wisconsin starts each year with 5 Big Ten wins before they take the field, plus their annual awful non conference schedule, they have 8 wins before doing a thing. How many major conferences have a school that has such a built in advantage because the divisions are so poorly structured?
There isn't a one. The ACC is balanced. SEC balanced. Pac 12 balanced. Big 12 doesn't have divisions. Wisconsin has an amazing gift each year. All they have to do is somehow get by basically two teams a year and often those are at home. No other major conference gifts any school like Wisconsin is gifted. Not one.
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The thought was Nebraska would actually resemble its past. And people didn’t like the divisions that weren’t geographically based.
Also Wisconsin does usually play at least one non conference game that’s difficult. This year was more of an outlier. And at BYU is usually more tough than it was this year.
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If we're being honest Wisconsin starts each year with 5 Big Ten wins before they take the field, plus their annual awful non conference schedule, they have 8 wins before doing a thing. How many major conferences have a school that has such a built in advantage because the divisions are so poorly structured?
There isn't a one. The ACC is balanced. SEC balanced. Pac 12 balanced. Big 12 doesn't have divisions. Wisconsin has an amazing gift each year. All they have to do is somehow get by basically two teams a year and often those are at home. No other major conference gifts any school like Wisconsin is gifted. Not one.
You might be th only person in the world that thinks the SEC divisions are balanced.
And just a few posts ago you were claiming that if UW goes undefeated they still need help to get into the CFP. So I’m not sure how that post can be anything but a contradiction to this post where you claim it’s a gift they get such an easy draw.
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The thought was Nebraska would actually resemble its past. And people didn’t like the divisions that weren’t geographically based.
Also Wisconsin does usually play at least one non conference game that’s difficult. This year was more of an outlier. And at BYU is usually more tough than it was this year.
One division has Penn State, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State.
The West has a ghost in Nebraska that hasn't truly been good since Osborne (Solich took Osborne's players deep one year). The rest are mediocre programs with Northwestern and Iowa leading the pack.
If geography were truly important, how are Indiana and Purdue not in the same division?
In the last 10 years, Wisconsin's schedule has been ranked 49th or worse in eight of those years. There are only 128 DI teams. This includes the bowl games in that calculation, which helps Wisconsin's schedule. An annual gift.
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You have to draw the geography line somewhere. Purdue and Indiana are where they should be. They have protected that rivalry too.
Look no one liked the previous line up but everyone wanted the geographic one. Including Michigan and Ohio State.
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If we're being honest Wisconsin starts each year with 5 Big Ten wins before they take the field, plus their annual awful non conference schedule, they have 8 wins before doing a thing. How many major conferences have a school that has such a built in advantage because the divisions are so poorly structured?
There isn't a one. The ACC is balanced. SEC balanced. Pac 12 balanced. Big 12 doesn't have divisions. Wisconsin has an amazing gift each year. All they have to do is somehow get by basically two teams a year and often those are at home. No other major conference gifts any school like Wisconsin is gifted. Not one.
Except they still lose to Northwestern on a regular basis...Nebraska won't suck forever, and it wasn't too long ago where both Penn St and Michigan were awful in the east. Plus ya know, Rutgers, Indiana and Maryland.
Not trying to defend Wisconsin but Actually top to bottom, I'd argue that the West division is tougher.
College football has its ebs and flow just like any other sport.
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ND sucks
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ND sucks
I agree with this analysis.
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Assuming their beatdowns this weekend cause Georgia, Notre Dame and TCU to drop below Wisconsin, that puts
Becky at #5 behind Bama, Clemson, Miami and Oklahoma.
Given that Clemson and Miami will play in the ACC Championship game, it's not possible for everyone above them to win out.
Well said. That was why I said they were in if they win out.
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Except they still lose to Northwestern on a regular basis...Nebraska won't suck forever, and it wasn't too long ago where both Penn St and Michigan were awful in the east. Plus ya know, Rutgers, Indiana and Maryland.
Not trying to defend Wisconsin but Actually top to bottom, I'd argue that the West division is tougher.
College football has its ebs and flow just like any other sport.
Yeah, but you have to look at the programs as a whole when projecting divisions. In tOSU, Michigan, and Penn St, you have what are pretty objectively the three best programs in the conference all in one division. I think Michigan St may fall off some once Dantonio leaves, but even then they'd fit right in with Wisc, Iowa and Nebraska, which are the only three programs in that division that are consistently worth a damn.
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Assuming their beatdowns this weekend cause Georgia, Notre Dame and TCU to drop below Wisconsin, that puts
Becky at #5 behind Bama, Clemson, Miami and Oklahoma.
Given that Clemson and Miami will play in the ACC Championship game, it's not possible for everyone above them to win out.
Yeah this is looking pretty likely. If Oklahoma wins out, and neither Clemson or Miami lose before they play in the ACC Champ, that's two in front of UW for sure. I think the only thing that could conceivably keep an undefeated UW out is if Bama beats Auburn, but then Georgia goes undefeated the rest of the way and wins a close one against Bama in the SEC championship. The way UGA played yesterday, that looks pretty unlikely.
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Except they still lose to Northwestern on a regular basis...Nebraska won't suck forever, and it wasn't too long ago where both Penn St and Michigan were awful in the east. Plus ya know, Rutgers, Indiana and Maryland.
Not trying to defend Wisconsin but Actually top to bottom, I'd argue that the West division is tougher.
College football has its ebs and flow just like any other sport.
Top to bottom you think the West is tougher? In my view there are 4 heavy weights in one division and 1 in the west. Rutgers has three conference wins, two of them against the west. The Eastern division is 11-6 against the West this year.
Penn State was awful because of a scandal which everyone knew they would recover from. Michigan's awful was what most in the west deem normal in my opinion.
You might be th only person in the world that thinks the SEC divisions are balanced.
And just a few posts ago you were claiming that if UW goes undefeated they still need help to get into the CFP. So I’m not sure how that post can be anything but a contradiction to this post where you claim it’s a gift they get such an easy draw.
Balanced in the sense that there are great programs in both divisions that have done great things. In the last 20 years Florida has won multiple national titles, Tennessee has won one. Missouri & South Carolina have all finished in the top 5 in the last five years. Georgia was #1 just this week.
In the East, Alabama has won multiple titles. Auburn has won a title. LSU has won multiple titles all in the last 10 years. In 2014 MSU was ranked #1. A&M finished in the top 5 in the last 5 years final poll.
What I'm saying is that both SEC divisions there are heavyweights all over the place and if they don't perform, coaches are fired and expected to compete for SEC titles and national titles. The Big Ten West? Mostly avg, has been programs where no one is going to confuse most of those programs for anything other than regional programs that are fortunate to go to a mid tier bowl game. There is no comparison. The SEC is a juggernaut regardless of division. The Big Ten west is a puff piece written for a high school yearbook.
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Crean sucks
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But geographically, there isn't an obvious fix.
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But geographically, there isn't an obvious fix.
Right. The B10 decided that it would be better to have these divisions so teams see one another more often, than more competitively balanced divisions with too many "protected" inter-division rivalry games. (Which is what the SEC has)
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miami jumps to #2...for this week, must be the chain thing
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Assuming their beatdowns this weekend cause Georgia, Notre Dame and TCU to drop below Wisconsin, that puts
Becky at #5 behind Bama, Clemson, Miami and Oklahoma.
Given that Clemson and Miami will play in the ACC Championship game, it's not possible for everyone above them to win out.
Wisconsin will get leapfrogged
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If we're being honest Wisconsin starts each year with 5 Big Ten wins before they take the field, plus their annual awful non conference schedule, they have 8 wins before doing a thing. How many major conferences have a school that has such a built in advantage because the divisions are so poorly structured?
There isn't a one. The ACC is balanced. SEC balanced. Pac 12 balanced. Big 12 doesn't have divisions. Wisconsin has an amazing gift each year. All they have to do is somehow get by basically two teams a year and often those are at home. No other major conference gifts any school like Wisconsin is gifted. Not one.
It's a curse because they play those 5 B1G games. They're SOS wreckers on their own. That's why they're a curse.
God, you just love to argue over anything.
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Wisconsin will get leapfrogged
That'll be interesting to watch. I think a 2-bid SEC could do it, but would 2-loss Auburn jump undefeated Wisco? Tough to see 2-loss USC jumping them, esp since the Pac 12 title game wouldn't be a standout win with Wash's loss this weekend. A 2-loss Big 12 champ? Probably not. What about either 2-loss Clemson or 1-loss Miami if the ACC Champ is an instant classic?
Ultimately, I can't see the committee voting in any 2-loss team over undefeated Wisco. Even if Auburn would have as decent an argument for that as you could hypothetically muster. I think their only real threat is Miami losing in the ACC Champ but looking great doing it.
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It would be an awful lot of fun watching a meltdown if they were undefeated but held out. Interviews with Barry would be gold.
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Ultimately, I can't see the committee voting in any 2-loss team over undefeated Wisco. I think their only real threat is Miami losing in the ACC Champ but looking great doing it.
Agreed.
It would be an awful lot of fun watching a meltdown if they were undefeated but held out. Interviews with Barry would be gold.
Agreed!
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Wisconsin will get leapfrogged
I just don't see too many scenarios where that is possible. In fact, I can come up with just one: Georgia beating Alabama in a relatively close game in the SEC Championship. And given the way Georgia has looked the past couple weeks and Saban's record against his former assistants (11-0, average margin of victory 28 points), that seems pretty unlikely.
Other than that, there are no other 1-loss teams outside the top 4 but in the top 12. And I can't imagine any circumstance in which a 2-loss team leapfrogs an undefeated Big 10 champion fresh off a neutral site win over a (likely) top 10 opponent. And I don't see Miami losing to Clemson then getting chosen over a team that just beat a top 10 opponent.
I'm no Becky fan either, but the truth is they control their destiny. Win out, and they're in.
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Auburn could leapfrog Wisconsin if they win out even with two losses.
If I had to guess, the CFP will be Bama, OU, CLEM, and OSU. I want to pick Miami over Clemson but I just can bring myself to do it.
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Auburn could leapfrog Wisconsin if they win out even with two losses.
If I had to guess, the CFP will be Bama, OU, CLEM, and OSU. I want to pick Miami over Clemson but I just can bring myself to do it.
How does a two-loss Ohio State - one of those losses being a 31-point blowout to an unranked team - get in ahead of a Miami team that, at worst, has one loss against a top-four opponent?
That's unpossible.
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How does a two-loss Ohio State - one of those losses being a 31-point blowout to an unranked team - get in ahead of a Miami team that, at worst, has one loss against a top-four opponent?
That's unpossible.
I think if there is a way to get Ohio State in, a way will be found to get them in.
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Interesting that everyone considers Alabama to be a great team. I believe that when the rankings come out tomorrow, they will have no wins over a top-10 ranked team. Or even a top-15 ranked team. And only 2 wins over top 25 teams.
While they will have 2 tough games coming up after they face MERCER, their schedule to date has been no tougher than UW's.
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The mayhem at the top of the rankings is an ideal situation for the committee. They can pick and choose which teams are most deserving (i.e. which will bring in the most money).
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The mayhem at the top of the rankings is an ideal situation for the committee. They can pick and choose which teams are most deserving (i.e. which will bring in the most money).
Not only ideal for the committee, but for fans in general to increase interest.
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Not only ideal for the committee, but for fans in general to increase interest.
As usual, the only ones who aren't in an ideal situation are the actual student-athletes.
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The only 2-loss team that would jump an undefeated Wisconsin is Auburn if they beat Alabama and then win the SEC Championship.
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Only situation I can see an undefeated Wisconsin being left out:
Alabama beats Mercer, loses to Auburn
Miami or Clemson wins out
Oklahoma wins out
Auburn wins out
Would a 1 loss Miami (to Clemson in the ACC champ game) make it in over an undefeated Wisconsin? I'm not sure. What if Georgia wins out? Could they leapfrog an undefeated Bucky?
Anyway, this is why college football is stupid. Wisconsin (and UCF for that matter) could go undefeated and not even have a chance to win the championship. Their seasons were effectively over before they began.
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Still think Wisconsin will be #6 this week. Alabama, Miami, Clemson and Oklahoma will be ahead of them. Wouldn't be surprised if Georgia is too. Only loss to a top 10 team on the road.
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A one loss Miami gets in over Wisconsin because more eyes will watch Miami. A lot more eyes.
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A one loss Miami gets in over Wisconsin because more eyes will watch Miami. A lot more eyes.
Won’t even be a consideration. UW would get in ahead of them no doubt.
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Won’t even be a consideration. UW would get in ahead of them no doubt.
If Miami goes undefeated to the ACC Championship game and their only loss is a one-loss, playoff bound Clemson and two wins over teams (ND, Va Tech) that are better than Wisconsin's best win (3-loss Ohio State or Northwestern) I could see an argument for taking Miami over Wisconsin. That schedule really hurts the Badgers, as does the B10 East devouring itself.
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While there is the theoretical possibility that an undefeated Bucky gets left out (I put it at 5%), and while I further agree that the only open scenario is some funky SEC finish that gets 2 in, the one thing you guys are failing to consider in your discussion is that such a decision would certainly leave two of the Power 5 conferences out in the cold. Has that ever happened before? Maybe, not sure. Has it ever happened when one of those conferences was represented by an undefeated team? I'm confident the answer is no. Now if two of the Power 5 have 2 loss standard bearers after the Championship games then sure, it becomes a possibility that folks view as legitimate.
I know all you guys hate Wisconsin. But last week they solidly beat a ranked Iowa. And assuming they beat Michigan and Ohio State, that'll easily be enough. It wasn't their fault that BYU had an unusually down year when Barry scheduled that road game years ago. So every week beginning last week their strength of schedule will improve. And by the end 'freethrowsnomatta'.
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Agree with glow and the rest saying that the chance of undefeated Bucky getting left out is probably in the single digit %. Again, I think the only plausible scenarios are 1-loss UGA & Bama getting in ahead of UW if UGA wins a close SEC Championship, or 1-loss Clemson and Miami if Miami loses a close ACC Championship. I think both those scenarios still favor the Badgers, and the style points would have to be a major factor to keep them out (e.g. UW wins out but looks uglier doing it than they did against Iowa, while those conference championship games are instant classics).
But I don't love the "not the Badgers fault" argument, or the "not UCF's fault" or "Boise St's fault" back in the day. Putting Washington in last year, or Wisco this year still punishes the teams that actually played tough schedules. Bama put FSU on the schedule. Clemson played Auburn. ND (as much as I loathe them) always puts tough out of conference (ACC) teams on their schedule. Say Auburn wins out - I think keeping either Bama or Auburn out for Wisco punishes those teams for actually playing games that people want to see as much as keeping Wisco out punishes them.
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538 has a CFP projection system where you can play with various scenarios. According to them, if Wisconsin wins out, they have a 98% chance of making it.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-college-football-predictions
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While there is the theoretical possibility that an undefeated Bucky gets left out (I put it at 5%), and while I further agree that the only open scenario is some funky SEC finish that gets 2 in, the one thing you guys are failing to consider in your discussion is that such a decision would certainly leave two of the Power 5 conferences out in the cold. Has that ever happened before? Maybe, not sure. Has it ever happened when one of those conferences was represented by an undefeated team? I'm confident the answer is no. Now if two of the Power 5 have 2 loss standard bearers after the Championship games then sure, it becomes a possibility that folks view as legitimate.
I know all you guys hate Wisconsin. But last week they solidly beat a ranked Iowa. And assuming they beat Michigan and Ohio State, that'll easily be enough. It wasn't their fault that BYU had an unusually down year when Barry scheduled that road game years ago. So every week beginning last week their strength of schedule will improve. And by the end 'freethrowsnomatta'.
This.
So it's simple: Bucky will lose and this all will become moot! (Or as Lou Piniella used to say: "mute.")
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But I don't love the "not the Badgers fault" argument, or the "not UCF's fault" or "Boise St's fault" back in the day. Putting Washington in last year, or Wisco this year still punishes the teams that actually played tough schedules. Bama put FSU on the schedule. Clemson played Auburn. ND (as much as I loathe them) always puts tough out of conference (ACC) teams on their schedule. Say Auburn wins out - I think keeping either Bama or Auburn out for Wisco punishes those teams for actually playing games that people want to see as much as keeping Wisco out punishes them.
Michigan and Iowa are better than FSU.
Bama has played no team currently ranked in the Top 15.
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Michigan and Iowa are better than FSU.
Bama has played no team currently ranked in the Top 15.
Agreed - but its the same point. If UW shouldn't be punished because BYU isn't good, Bama shouldn't be punished because FSU isn't good. Esp considering BYU's upside, even when scheduled, was what, middle of the top 25? FSU started off the year as Nat'l Champ favorite and is a top 10 program in the country.
When all is said and done, if Bama loses to Auburn, the top of the scheds stack up like this, and I think are pretty comparable:
UW - tOSU, UM, Iowa
Bama - Auburn, Miss St, LSU
So I wouldn't cry for Bama if they lost to Auburn then didn't make it vs undefeated Wisco. Now, if Bama beats Auburn, plugging UGA in there makes quite a bit of difference. If I feel bad for anybody in this mess, its Auburn, who had the best/toughest sched in the country by far, plays a lot like Wisco, and I think would beat Wisco by two and a half scores on a neutral field (here's hoping they play each other in the Cap One Bowl to find out... not that bowl games are a very good way to compare teams against each other, anyway).
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Agreed - but its the same point. If UW shouldn't be punished because BYU isn't good, Bama shouldn't be punished because FSU isn't good. Esp considering BYU's upside, even when scheduled, was what, middle of the top 25? FSU started off the year as Nat'l Champ favorite and is a top 10 program in the country.
When all is said and done, if Bama loses to Auburn, the top of the scheds stack up like this, and I think are pretty comparable:
UW - tOSU, UM, Iowa
Bama - Auburn, Miss St, LSU
So I wouldn't cry for Bama if they lost to Auburn then didn't make it vs undefeated Wisco. Now, if Bama beats Auburn, plugging UGA in there makes quite a bit of difference. If I feel bad for anybody in this mess, its Auburn, who had the best/toughest sched in the country by far, plays a lot like Wisco, and I think would beat Wisco by two and a half scores on a neutral field (here's hoping they play each other in the Cap One Bowl to find out... not that bowl games are a very good way to compare teams against each other, anyway).
Good analysis.
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Bama has played no team currently ranked in the Top 15.
Kind of a moot point, given that they'll have played two top 10 teams by the time the playoff matchups are decided.
Regardless, anyone who's watched Alabama this year and believes they're not one of the four best teams in the country is very, very wrong.
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Can't we all just be happy that ND won't be there?
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Kind of a moot point, given that they'll have played two top 10 teams by the time the playoff matchups are decided.
Regardless, anyone who's watched Alabama this year and believes they're not one of the four best teams in the country is very, very wrong.
You're right. Some have the same reaction when seeing UW hold Iowa to 70 yards a week after they hung a 55 spot on tOSU.
Next year is going to be the year UW will be ready to go for it all. Should be pre-season top 5 and schedule will be tougher. If Hornibrook takes a step forward, they will be legit contenders.
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I just found out today my co-worker's father-in-law is the Defensive Coordinator at Michigan. He's going out to Ann Arbor with the family for Thanksgiving to watch Michigan-Ohio State.
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You're right. Some have the same reaction when seeing UW hold Iowa to 70 yards a week after they hung a 55 spot on tOSU.
Next year is going to be the year UW will be ready to go for it all. Should be pre-season top 5 and schedule will be tougher. If Hornibrook takes a step forward, they will be legit contenders.
Agreed. Next year Bucky has a legit shot at a national championship. Personally, I think they stumble against OSU in the Big 10 Championship this year and end up playing in the Citrus or something.
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Knot fur sure on dat. Der pretty good, ai na?
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Agreed. Next year Bucky has a legit shot at a national championship. Personally, I think they stumble against OSU in the Big 10 Championship this year and end up playing in the Citrus or something.
With Hornibrook under center? Nah. They have a great defense and running game, but that can be stopped. Even the great Bama teams had QBs that got NFL looks. Blake Sims was probably the worst and he was superior to Hornibrook any day. I'll also wait for a marquee win under Chryst. The best he has is the LSU game, against a team who proved to be profoundly overrated and very much average.
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With Hornibrook under center? Nah. They have a great defense and running game, but that can be stopped. Even the great Bama teams had QBs that got NFL looks. Blake Sims was probably the worst and he was superior to Hornibrook any day. I'll also wait for a marquee win under Chryst. The best he has is the LSU game, against a team who proved to be profoundly overrated and very much average.
If you don't count Wilson, Tolzien, Sorgi, and Bollinger in the last dozen or so years, you are 100% correct. Hornibrook will be added to the group in a couple more years.
Besides a great defense and RBs, they will have one of the better receiving corps in the country next year as well.
We do agree that Hornibrook is the key. If he is what you think he will be, they will be a 10 win team. If he is what I think he will be, they are a contender for a Nat'l Championship. We will see which one of us got it right.
I would compare their chances to what the hoops team went through a couple years ago.
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With Hornibrook under center? Nah. They have a great defense and running game, but that can be stopped. Even the great Bama teams had QBs that got NFL looks. Blake Sims was probably the worst and he was superior to Hornibrook any day. I'll also wait for a marquee win under Chryst. The best he has is the LSU game, against a team who proved to be profoundly overrated and very much average.
You need to remember that he's a Sophomore. And no Bucky QB needs to win the Heisman. That's not how they do it.
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Hornibrook could most definitely improve. However his mechanics can fall apart and it will be interesting to see what happens when Fumagalli leaves.
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Words I never thought I would have to type, but sometimes circumstances dictate...this hurts......
GO BLUE!
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Hornibrook could most definitely improve. However his mechanics can fall apart and it will be interesting to see what happens when Fumagalli leaves.
All true. But they have a long line of effective TEs.
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Wisconsin is hosting Game Day and their celebrity guest picker is Craig T. Nelson. I don't know if they could have come up with a less relevant person to Wisconsin.
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Wisconsin is hosting Game Day and their celebrity guest picker is Craig T. Nelson. I don't know if they could have come up with a less relevant person to Wisconsin.
He did lead Minnesota St to a national title over West Texas, with Wisconsin vs Minnesota highlights being used as the game footage.
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Don't know if I've ever been more miserable at a game then the Northwestern game today.
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Don't know if I've ever been more miserable at a game then the Northwestern game today.
I feel your pain. Did the same thing in Evavson for a Northwestern - UW game some years ago. Low 30s, windy, rain & snow mix.
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All true. But they have a long line of effective TEs.
Hornibrook really stepped up today. After I thought he had no chance to.
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Hornibrook really stepped up today. After I thought he had no chance to.
He did. That TD on the deep slant was a thing of beauty.
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I know the SEC fanbases/expectations are brutal, but if Malzahn's seat was actually heating up - that's insanity. Auburn's work with Stidham this year has been incredible. It's hard to believe he's the same guy I watched throw for a jittery 79 yds on 13 completions vs Clemson.
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Go auburn. And go buckeyes next weekend. Go, anarchy!
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Go auburn. And go buckeyes next weekend. Go, anarchy!
These past couple of weeks have been just crazy. Georgia looked like a lock, then Miami and Bama. Tuesday night should be interesting, and the conference championship games could shuffle things up yet again....
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These past couple of weeks have been just crazy. Georgia looked like a lock, then Miami and Bama. Tuesday night should be interesting, and the conference championship games could shuffle things up yet again....
Oklahoma and UW will be top 2 seeds if they win next week.
Alabama was #1 on reputation only. Before today, their opponents for the year were 66-59. Didn't beat anyone in the top #15. If their name was Arkansas, they would have been rated somewhere in the lower half of the top 10.
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Oklahoma and UW will be top 2 seeds if they win next week.
Alabama was #1 on reputation only. Before today, their opponents for the year were 66-59. Didn't beat anyone in the top #15. If their name was Arkansas, they would have been rated somewhere in the lower half of the top 10.
Maybe, but if Clemson wins tonight and next week, I'd bet they will be ahead of UW. Of course, just when you think a team has a spot locked up, they've lost lately....
And the UGa-Auburn rematch should be a good game.
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Alabama was #1 on reputation only. Before today, their opponents for the year were 66-59. Didn't beat anyone in the top #15. If their name was Arkansas, they would have been rated somewhere in the lower half of the top 10.
???? Alabama beat 2 top 20 teams and Florida State when they were #2 before they lost their QB. But undefeated they would have been in the bottom half of the top 10 while Wisconsin (with zero wins against top 20 teams) was ranked #5? No way, nohow.
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Oklahoma, UW, ACC and SEC champions win next week and they are in. Anything else opens the door for Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame.
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Oklahoma, UW, ACC and SEC champions win next week and they are in. Anything else opens the door for Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame.
Yup.
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???? Alabama beat 2 top 20 teams and Florida State when they were #2 before they lost their QB. But undefeated they would have been in the bottom half of the top 10 while Wisconsin (with zero wins against top 20 teams) was ranked #5? No way, nohow.
And UW will have beaten 2 top 20 teams if the beat tOSU. Iowa, I think was ranked 15th when they played - higher than anyone Alabama beat. Michigan has been a Top 10 team and has ranked higher than FSU every single week since the season started.
Iowa had a real ranking after playing 9 or 10 games - not an early season reputation ranking. FSU was ranked #2 for the same reason Michigan was ranked #10 at the start of the season. Neither one deserved to be there.
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Auburn has beaten the #1 twice in the last three weeks (Georgia three weeks ago and Alabama today).
They play #7 Georgia again in the SEC championship next week.
Two questions ...
1. Auburn has two losses (to #3 Clemson and @LSU). Do they have a chance to get in with three losses should they lose to Georgia?
2. If they beat #7 Georgia again, can they rise to #1 despite two losses? (#1 matters because they get their semifinal game in the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans as opposed to the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.)
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And UW will have beaten 2 top 20 teams if the beat tOSU.
You were talking now, not sometime in the future. Now, UW has zero top 20 wins (its best is vs #23 Northwestern) and Alabama has 2 (#16 LSU and #19 Mississippi). Alabama's resume' going into today was better than UW's. Not even a UW fan would argue that.
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Auburn has beaten the #1 twice in the last three weeks (Georgia three weeks ago and Alabama today).
They play #7 Georgia again in the SEC championship next week.
Two questions ...
1. Auburn has two losses (to #3 Clemson and @LSU). Do they have a chance to get in with three losses should they lose to Georgia?
2. If they beat #7 Georgia again, can they rise to #1 despite two losses? (#1 matters because they get their semifinal game in the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans as opposed to the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.)
The answers to your questions are NO, and MAYBE if all the chips fell their way but probably not.
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You were talking now, not sometime in the future. Now, UW has zero top 20 wins (its best is vs #23 Northwestern) and Alabama has 2 (#16 LSU and #19 Mississippi). Alabama's resume' going into today was better than UW's. Not even a UW fan would argue that.
Bama has three top 20 wins, also beat (then) #2 Fla St in the first game of the season.
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Don't know their exact formula, but Realtime RPI lists Alabama's SOS as 26th and UW's as 102nd....
http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_power_rankings_Full.html
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Oklahoma, UW, ACC and SEC champions win next week and they are in. Anything else opens the door for Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame.
Not if they lose to Stanford tonight.
I think the big argument will be OSU vs. Bama for the 4th slot if Bucky falls next week.
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Bama has three top 20 wins, also beat (then) #2 Fla St in the first game of the season.
Yeah - that's what I say in a previous post.
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Not if they lose to Stanford tonight.
I think the big argument will be OSU vs. Bama for the 4th slot if Bucky falls next week.
Agree on OSU vs Bama.
And even if ND beats Stanford, I doubt they get in after the beatdown they took vs Miami. Say Miami loses to Clemson (2 losses) and ND wins tonight (2 losses). How do you take ND after that one-sided head to head?
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Agree on OSU vs Bama.
And even if ND beats Stanford, I doubt they get in after the beatdown they took vs Miami. Say Miami loses to Clemson (2 losses) and ND wins tonight (2 losses). How do you take ND after that one-sided head to head?
Cuz they’re god’s team, silly.
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Agree on OSU vs Bama.
And even if ND beats Stanford, I doubt they get in after the beatdown they took vs Miami. Say Miami loses to Clemson (2 losses) and ND wins tonight (2 losses). How do you take ND after that one-sided head to head?
The argument would be ND lost to eventual #1 Georgia and to eventual #2 Miami. They have the best "quality losses" of all the two-loss teams. So they should be the first two-loss team in.
ND's SoS is #2
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Oklahoma, UW, ACC and SEC champions win next week and they are in. Anything else opens the door for Alabama, Ohio State and Notre Dame.
What scenario would have ND in?
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What scenario would have ND in?
First beat Stanford tonight (tied at 17 as I write this). If not, stop here below is moot
If they win at Stanford tonight, then next week ...
tOSU beats Bucky
TCU beats OU
Georgia beats Auburn
Clemson Beats Miami
Four teams are ...
Georgia
Bama
Clemson
and the fourth team is between
10-2 ND
10-2 tOSU
10-3 Auburn
10-2 Miami
10-2 OU
ND gets the nod because of #2 SoS.
So yes a lot of things have to happen. But above is not impossible.
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First beat Stanford tonight (tied at 17 as I write this). If not, ......blah, blah blah.... But above is not impossible.
In other words https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/good-news-browns-your-chances-of-making-the-playoffs-are-only-1-in-19-quintillion/
(https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/good-news-browns-your-chances-of-making-the-playoffs-are-only-1-in-19-quintillion/)
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In other words https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/good-news-browns-your-chances-of-making-the-playoffs-are-only-1-in-19-quintillion/
(https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/good-news-browns-your-chances-of-making-the-playoffs-are-only-1-in-19-quintillion/)
Isn't this the same chance 538 gave Trump of winning?
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Looks like gods team ain’t gonna make it. Again.
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The argument would be ND lost to eventual #1 Georgia and to eventual #2 Miami. They have the best "quality losses" of all the two-loss teams. So they should be the first two-loss team in.
ND's SoS is #2
SoS is great..unless you have a head to head beatdown.
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Isn't this the same chance 538 gave Trump of winning?
America's brain fart has nothing to do with this
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Isn't this the same chance 538 gave Trump of winning?
Not accurate.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-yes-donald-trump-has-a-path-to-victory/
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Should i keep refreshing to see if Heisy has anything else to say about ND football?
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Not accurate.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-yes-donald-trump-has-a-path-to-victory/
Final Election Update: There’s A Wide Range Of Outcomes, And Most Of Them Come Up Clinton
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/final-election-update-theres-a-wide-range-of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/
(http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/screen-shot-2016-11-08-at-9-59-47-am.png?w=575&h=616&quality=90&strip=info)
Trump to win:
WI - 16.5%
MI - 21.1%
PA - 23%
He also gave the Democrats a 51% chance of winning the Senate.
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Should i keep refreshing to see if Heisy has anything else to say about ND football?
They lost, the rest is moot
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Wonderful day/night.
My favorite team won again - this time Stanford, thankfully officially putting ND out of America's misery. Posers yet again. Irrelevant yet again. Love it!
Earlier, Saban had the smug wiped off his face by Auburn. Sweet.
And in between all that, the HS hoops team I (assistant) coach beat the No. 1-ranked team in the Charlotte metro area. We fell behind 10, fought our way back into the game and then dominated the second half. So much fun to see hard work rewarded!
If only Bucky had lost it would have been absolutely perfect, but I'll take this.
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And in between all that, the HS hoops team I (assistant) coach beat the No. 1-ranked team in the Charlotte metro area. We fell behind 10, fought our way back into the game and then dominated the second half. So much fun to see hard work rewarded!
Congrats!
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Final Election Update: There’s A Wide Range Of Outcomes, And Most Of Them Come Up Clinton
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/final-election-update-theres-a-wide-range-of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/
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Take your love of sex criminals and pedophiles elsewhere.
We don't need your "lil' Chico" impression to destroy another thread.
If you want to talk college football, join in. If not, get the h3ll lost!!
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Final Election Update: There’s A Wide Range Of Outcomes, And Most Of Them Come Up Clinton
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/final-election-update-theres-a-wide-range-of-outcomes-and-most-of-them-come-up-clinton/
(http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/screen-shot-2016-11-08-at-9-59-47-am.png?w=575&h=616&quality=90&strip=info)
Trump to win:
WI - 16.5%
MI - 21.1%
PA - 23%
He also gave the Democrats a 51% chance of winning the Senate.
You're moving the goal posts. Your original post indicated 538 was dead wrong- they wern't.
Moreover from your linked article:
"So what’s the source of all the uncertainty? And why does the same model1 that gave Mitt Romney only a 9 percent chance of winning the Electoral College on the eve of the 2012 election put Trump’s chances about three times higher — 28 percent — this year? It basically comes down to three things:
First, Clinton’s overall lead over Trump — while her gains over the past day or two have helped — is still within the range where a fairly ordinary polling error could eliminate it.
Second, the number of undecided and third-party voters is much higher than in recent elections, which contributes to uncertainty.
Third, Clinton’s coalition — which relies increasingly on college-educated whites and Hispanics — is somewhat inefficiently configured for the Electoral College, because these voters are less likely to live in swing states. If the popular vote turns out to be a few percentage points closer than polls project it, Clinton will be an Electoral College underdog."
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Wonderful day/night.
My favorite team won again - this time Stanford, thankfully officially putting ND out of America's misery. Posers yet again. Irrelevant yet again. Love it!
Earlier, Saban had the smug wiped off his face by Auburn. Sweet.
And in between all that, the HS hoops team I (assistant) coach beat the No. 1-ranked team in the Charlotte metro area. We fell behind 10, fought our way back into the game and then dominated the second half. So much fun to see hard work rewarded!
If only Bucky had lost it would have been absolutely perfect, but I'll take this.
There was no way for a perfect day. Four teams I hate - tOSU. Michigan, Alabama, and ND.
Only 3 could lose and 3 did.
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Take your love of sex criminals and pedophiles elsewhere.
We don't need your "lil' Chico" impression to destroy another thread.
If you want to talk college football, join in. If not, get the h3ll lost!!
Agreed. Sorry I had to prolong this but when somebody makes an erroneous statement, its my duty as an American to rectify it.
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They lost, the rest is moot
it's only moot if you want to ignore it
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Is there a scenario that gets three SEC teams in? Auburn, Alabama, and Georgia?
If ...
tOSU beats Bucky
Clemson beats Miami
TCU beats OU
Basically, if OU, Bucky and The U lose, can the final four be Clemson, Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn?
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Take your love of sex criminals and pedophiles elsewhere.
We don't need your "lil' Chico" impression to destroy another thread.
If you want to talk college football, join in. If not, get the h3ll lost!!
I agree with you and apologize for dragging politics into this thread.
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Is there a scenario that gets three SEC teams in? Auburn, Alabama, and Georgia?
If ...
tOSU beats Bucky
Clemson beats Miami
TCU beats OU
Basically, if OU, Bucky and The U lose, can the final four be Clemson, Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn?
Doubt it. I could see Bama and the winner of the SEC, but I doubt a 3-loss Auburn or a Georgia team that lost 2 of its last 3 would get in. My guess would be Clemson, SEC Champ, Bama and OU.
That last spot could easily be tOSU or UW if it isn't OU.
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I agree with you and apologize for dragging politics into this thread.
Thanks, Heisy. You and I could argue politics from now 'til the end of time. Hopefully, we won't do it here.
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Doubt it. I could see Bama and the winner of the SEC, but I doubt a 3-loss Auburn or a Georgia team that lost 2 of its last 3 would get in. My guess would be Clemson, SEC Champ, Bama and OU.
That last spot could easily be tOSU or UW if it isn't OU.
It will be interesting.
If each team wins, I think the four teams are OU, UW, Clemson, and Georgia.
Right now, the only one I am convinced will win is Clemson - which leaves the door open for Alabama or Auburn.
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Rooting hard for OSU. I'd also kinda like to see Auburn win just because I like the idea of a 2-loss team upsetting the apple cart a little.
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If there is a way to get Ohio State in, they will be in. CFP is only kind of about who deserves it. It's mostly about $$$
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If there is a way to get Ohio State in, they will be in. CFP is only kind of about who deserves it. It's mostly about $$$
Could you expound on this, TAMU? Are you saying that if OSU beats Wisconsin but otherwise things go the way pretty much everybody expects, the only reason OSU would get in is that somehow they are paying somebody off? Seriously, I'm not sure what you're saying.
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Could you expound on this, TAMU? Are you saying that if OSU beats Wisconsin but otherwise things go the way pretty much everybody expects, the only reason OSU would get in is that somehow they are paying somebody off? Seriously, I'm not sure what you're saying.
Not bribery, but OSU fans travel VERY well. Buy tons of merch, etc... OSU would have 3 losses including a pretty awful blowout loss to Iowa in the last month, not the strongest of resumes.
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Not bribery, but OSU fans travel VERY well. Buy tons of merch, etc... OSU would have 3 losses including a pretty awful blowout loss to Iowa in the last month, not the strongest of resumes.
UW fans also travel very well.
It is more about TV ratings.
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Could you expound on this, TAMU? Are you saying that if OSU beats Wisconsin but otherwise things go the way pretty much everybody expects, the only reason OSU would get in is that somehow they are paying somebody off? Seriously, I'm not sure what you're saying.
I'm saying that if we get to place where OSU is one of the 6 teams who could reasonably be selected for the CFP, then I think they will be selected. To do that they would have to beat Wisconsin. It could be my inaccurate eye test, but it seems like for years bowl matchups have been more about generating the most revenue then what a team earned.
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I'm saying that if we get to place where OSU is one of the 6 teams who could reasonably be selected for the CFP, then I think they will be selected. To do that they would have to beat Wisconsin. It could be my inaccurate eye test, but it seems like for years bowl matchups have been more about generating the most revenue then what a team earned.
I think that second loss to Iowa all but disqualifies OSU.
Even if they beat Bucky (and I think they will), it's hard to see them being selected over a 1-loss Alabama or 1-loss Georgia. They have two losses arguably worse than Alabama's and Georgia's one.
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I'm saying that if we get to place where OSU is one of the 6 teams who could reasonably be selected for the CFP, then I think they will be selected. To do that they would have to beat Wisconsin. It could be my inaccurate eye test, but it seems like for years bowl matchups have been more about generating the most revenue then what a team earned.
I understand.
But do they really travel better than Bama and Georgia? Is a game between OSU and Clemson likely to draw higher TV ratings than a game between Bama and Clemson?
Maybe the answers to those questions are yes. I honestly don't know.
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I understand.
But do they really travel better than Bama and Georgia? Is a game between OSU and Clemson likely to draw higher TV ratings than a game between Bama and Clemson?
Maybe the answers to those questions are yes. I honestly don't know.
FWIW ....
Alabama-Auburn television rating = 7.8
Ohio State-Michigan rating = 6.7
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FWIW ....
Alabama-Auburn television rating = 7.8
Ohio State-Michigan rating = 6.7
Interesting, but 'Bama-Auburn was a bigger game this year given the quality of the teams.
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Not sure there's really a way to find out if big Bama games historically get better ratings than big Buckeye games do.