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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Dr. Blackheart on November 11, 2017, 08:43:53 AM
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The first game is a harbinger of attendance as it is an indication of the stability of the season ticket base. The thought being, there are not many walk-ups for a cup cake. Last night's paid attendance was 13,324. Last year's non-conference cupcake opener was versus Howard at 11,305. That's a 2019 increase, plus 18%.
Does the Friday versus Monday date make that much difference in paid? Or are folks nostalgic about the last year in the BC? Anxious to get into the new arena STH pool? The 100 Year hoopla was great marketing? The NCAA appearance? The Coors Light Corner? Other marketing ticket bundles? The buzz around the new recruits? Wojo's 4th year?
That's a great omen for the program whose goal is to increase revenue 10%.
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I think Friday certainly helped so I don't want to draw too many conclusions. The announced attendance for Lindenwood was in the mid 11K so that's probably the real base.
I will say this. The students again did themselves proud. Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of their upper deck.
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7:30pm start on a Monday or 8pm start on a Friday... dis makes how u say big difference
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8:00 PM on a Friday night. First game of the year. I would have expected attendance to be decent.
But I'm not really worried about attendance anyway.
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I think Friday certainly helped so I don't want to draw too many conclusions. The announced attendance for Lindenwood was in the mid 11K so that's probably the real base.
I will say this. The students again did themselves proud. Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of their upper deck.
On Lindenwood, last year's exhibition versus Rockhurst was 7975, also a nice bump, but I was not sure if that was paid or it was shows.
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Agreed .. wait until the Monday/Wednesday games Nov 27/29. That'll show you the lowest attendance of the year.
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7:30pm start on a Monday or 8pm start on a Friday... dis makes how u say big difference
So 2000 walk-ups to see a cupcake? Hmmm...doubtful.
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On Lindenwood, last year's exhibition versus Rockhurst was 7975, also a nice bump, but I was not sure if that was paid or it was shows.
Gotcha. Maybe the counting methodology is different for exhibitions.
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They threw this game in with the mini-plans, so that's probably why.
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They threw this game in with the mini-plans, so that's probably why.
True dat. Good catch.
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They threw this game in with the mini-plans, so that's probably why.
Aaah...that's it. I found it hard to believe that 2000 lonely hearts walked up for this dog on a Friday night.
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We sit in 219, and have for the past 21 years. Intentionally next to the student section because we ain't that vestie.
Typically first game of the year, tons of students mistakenly taking our seats pre tip, this year was different. BC ushers sorted it out for the the most part.
Come the first media timeout, a bit of skirmish...young "lady" pukes all over the place in the row behind us.
Needless to say I was very proud. MARQUETTE Basketball is back.
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On Lindenwood, last year's exhibition versus Rockhurst was 7975, also a nice bump, but I was not sure if that was paid or it was shows.
I was told that was listed wrong last year. (Rockhurst game)
The main reason the listed attendance was up last night was the mini plan. The 4 game mini plan this season, includes last night home opener for free. The mini plan sales this year are going well for a non Badger year.
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Come the first media timeout, a bit of skirmish...young "lady" pukes all over the place in the row behind us.
Needless to say I was very proud. MARQUETTE Basketball is back.
I hope they sprinkled a little saw dust on her output there...did she get an ovation when they carted her out?
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So 2000 walk-ups to see a cupcake? Hmmm...doubtful.
Remember season tickets holders are given a free non-conference game per season ticket. this simply might of been the best game for 20% of season ticket holders to use their free tickets. I selected Purdue and gave the tickets away. Not really feasible to bring young kids to a 7:30 weekday game.
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I hope they sprinkled a little saw dust on her output there...did she get an ovation when they carted her out?
BC sawdust patrol was right on the scene.
50% of us gave her a standing ovation, while the other 50% took out our phones and texted Joe True to make her STH of the Game for Purdue.
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BC sawdust patrol was right on the scene.
50% of us gave her a standing ovation, while the other 50% took out our phones and texted Joe True to make her STH of the Game for Purdue.
Hilarious!
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BC sawdust patrol was right on the scene.
50% of us gave her a standing ovation, while the other 50% took out our phones and texted Joe True to make her STH of the Game for Purdue.
Pix?
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We sit in 219, and have for the past 21 years. Intentionally next to the student section because we ain't that vestie.
Typically first game of the year, tons of students mistakenly taking our seats pre tip, this year was different. BC ushers sorted it out for the the most part.
Come the first media timeout, a bit of skirmish...young "lady" pukes all over the place in the row behind us.
Needless to say I was very proud. MARQUETTE Basketball is back.
An usher tried to kick me and my bud out of our seats. Asking if we were students my bud could only respond with a resounding hell no
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Was sent a survey by Marquette on ticket policy-seating- prices given the new arena. From the questions they asked it looks like prices higher, season ticket deposits higher, aisle seats higher, and most interesting, they will probably have students in the rows behind the benches ala Cameron at Duke. This was explicitly stated in a question asking “what do you think?”.
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Was sent a survey by Marquette on ticket policy-seating- prices given the new arena. From the questions they asked it looks like prices higher, season ticket deposits higher, aisle seats higher, and most interesting, they will probably have students in the rows behind the benches ala Cameron at Duke. This was explicitly stated in a question asking “what do you think?”.
U late :)
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Come the first media timeout, a bit of skirmish...young "lady" pukes all over the place in the row behind us.
Needless to say I was very proud. MARQUETTE Basketball is back.
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Reminiscent of Dime beer Friday afternoons at the Gym.
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Come the first media timeout, a bit of skirmish...young "lady" pukes all over the place in the row behind us.
Needless to say I was very proud. MARQUETTE Basketball is back.
Reminiscent of Dime beer Friday afternoons at the Gym.
With the Britins!
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Nice tribute by Marquette to veterans, flag, country last night. Well done.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/105p0dw.jpg)
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With the Britins!
Grill concerts ...
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A little OT. I watched the Depaul/ND game yesterday. There were a lot of empty seats and a large contingent of Irish fans for DePauls's inaugural game in their new digs. Not a good sign for Depaul basketball.
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Purdue paid was 13,307. MSM outdrew Purdue with the bundle by 17. MU ticket office being smart. Good draws with bad for early season.
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I believe the first game back from a March Madness bid vs the first game after missing the tourney 3 straight years is big too.
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How was the crowd versus Purdue? Sadly I wasn't able to watch said game.
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EIU was 11,647. Not bad for a Monday. The packages are really marketed well.
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EIU was 11,647. Not bad for a Monday. The packages are really marketed well.
I would think that is where we are at in our season ticket base. Now, we need people to just show up.
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I would think that is where we are at in our season ticket base. Now, we need people to just show up.
People aren’t showing up for buy games on a Monday night in November.
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People aren’t showing up for buy games on a Monday night in November.
I understand that. I was there, but why? I get some are busy. Many don't care about these "buy games". Folks are paying the money, why not go. How about giving away your tickets. How about just supporting your team. I understand it's a hard pill for myself to understand at times, as I'm at 40 plus events over the winter in MU, UWM, Admirals and Bucks games.
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I understand that. I was there, but why? I get some are busy. Many don't care about these "buy games". Folks are paying the money, why not go. How about giving away your tickets. How about just supporting your team. I understand it's a hard pill for myself to understand at times, as I'm at 40 plus events over the winter in MU, UWM, Admirals and Bucks games.
Because purchasing the tickets is a sunk cost. And attending the games costs time and money versus sitting on the couch at home.
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People aren’t showing up for buy games on a Monday night in November.
Some (most) but not ALL people. 8-)
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Because purchasing the tickets is a sunk cost. And attending the games costs time and money versus sitting on the couch at home.
As I said I get that. That being said also, some should not be bitching about some higher cost going into the new arena, when some can't get their you know what to the game. More to my question I'm trying to get at, how do we change that? How can we improve on the no-shows? If there is a will, there is a way!
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Don't schedule buy games, or
Don't put every game on television.
But neither of those are really viable answers.
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More to my question I'm trying to get at, how do we change that? How can we improve on the no-shows? If there is a will, there is a way!
- Better quality opponents (or at least better name opponents) - obviously constrained by required "buy" games.
- More weekend games (even Friday night) - Monday thru Thursday will always be slow.
- No 8:00pm starts - I was at the game yesterday, but will probably skip Chicago State - too late for a crappy opponent.
- More promotions - have there been any yet this year? The magnetic schedule never seemed to materialize, but we need some thing better - jerseys, bobbleheads, etc.
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As I said I get that. That being said also, some should not be bitching about some higher cost going into the new arena, when some can't get their you know what to the game. More to my question I'm trying to get at, how do we change that? How can we improve on the no-shows? If there is a will, there is a way!
They could start by not having buy games on Monday nights at 7pm.
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They could start by not having buy games on Monday nights at 7pm.
Hard to schedule, when you don't have your own building. Plus, I think they play too many games in college hoops. I would like it to be shaved by two games. As we know once the toothpaste it out, you can put it back. $$$$
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Like many of you, my friends consider me to the most die hard MU fan they know.
I've been in the same seats for 21 years, love my section and really enjoy games.
I stayed home last night and I'm probably staying home tomorrow night. We now have 3 kids and they all have a bunch of after school practices etc. Getting a sitter, re-arranging carpools, etc is just not worth for weeknight buy games in November. Especially when the game is on in HD.
Toss in we just came off the long 4 days weekend that was jam packed and the Georgia + Vermont game upcoming, these games are just going to be poorly attended. It's something that as a married, no kids 30 year old I never would have imagined but now 42 and with 3 kids, disrupting that ecosystem is possible but sometimes just not worth the trouble.
Last add, I posted the tickets on facebook for free on Monday. Not one taker.
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Well, thank you for trying to give away your tickets!
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Last add, I posted the tickets on facebook for free on Monday. Not one taker.
To be fair, you may only have like 12 friends. My guy ZFB has 4,998 friends currently, but almost all of them are pr0nbots.
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New Stadium will take care of attendance the next few years.
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New Stadium will take care of attendance the next few years.
No doubt, the new stadium will be a positive factor for sales.
Unfortunately, higher ticket prices .. and the possibility of having a lack-luster 2017-2018 season will be negative factors.
It's not a tremendous stretch of the imagination to find MU being 7th-8th in the BE, missing post season. Coupled with a 20-80% price increase? Whoa, nelly.
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Any season seat holder want to give away their tickets for tonight?
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No doubt, the new stadium will be a positive factor for sales.
Unfortunately, higher ticket prices .. and the possibility of having a lack-luster 2017-2018 season will be negative factors.
It's not a tremendous stretch of the imagination to find MU being 7th-8th in the BE, missing post season. Coupled with a 20-80% price increase? Whoa, nelly.
What I'm starting to find interesting (and a little annoying) is the massive giveaways to the most marginal fans while our season ticket pricing continues to go up. Things like the $25 'student section' seats and the $99 phone app. Now I get it. They are simply trying to lure the occasional fan and we ourselves got enticed originally by $99 season tickets but at some point there's a disconnect between $1,000+ for the season and $5 per game. And while we have spectacular seats, we're certainly not in Row AAA listening to Spoon bad mouth our program.
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What I'm starting to find interesting (and a little annoying) is the massive giveaways to the most marginal fans while our season ticket pricing continues to go up. Things like the $25 'student section' seats and the $99 phone app. Now I get it. They are simply trying to lure the occasional fan and we ourselves got enticed originally by $99 season tickets but at some point there's a disconnect between $1,000+ for the season and $5 per game. And while we have spectacular seats, we're certainly not in Row AAA listening to Spoon bad mouth our program.
Yep...this will be a rub with seat licenses over B&G points. As I said, MU's model is supply driven (including families), and it hasn't been demand driven for a number of years. Yet, they quote prices of tickets at other demand driven schools like Louisville, UNC, etc. It will be a critical business year for MUAD.
I hope they take the time to understand their brand. That survey was not a good first step. The new arena ticket situation was the talk of Maui.
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Yep...this will be a rub with seat licenses over B&G points. As I said, MU's model is supply driven (including families), and it hasn't been demand driven for a number of years. Yet, they quote prices of tickets at other demand driven schools like Louisville, UNC, etc. It will be a critical business year for MUAD.
I hope they take the time to understand their brand. That survey was not a good first step. The new arena ticket situation was the talk of Maui.
Your lips to God's ear.
Look, few would fail to recognize chick and me as loyal fans. We make the long drive to probably 17 of the 19 games and we make sure our tickets get used when we don't go (like tonight when our son is using them). But the value of our seats for tonight is exactly zero. And 'near zero' for the game we were at on Monday. And probably about $10 this Saturday.
Now I'm not complaining about the schedule at all. It's a good slate and, apart from this past Monday, I actually enjoy buy games as it's a chance to watch the team develop. So no complaints from me. But let's not be led to believe that a typical Marquette basketball game should be priced like a Packers playoff experience when taken to the extreme. And MU can't add enough private practices and luncheons with Coach and Spirit Shop discounts to make up for that.
Sorry, didn't intend to get up on a high horse.
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Your lips to God's ear.
Look, few would fail to recognize chick and me as loyal fans. We make the long drive to probably 17 of the 19 games and we make sure our tickets get used when we don't go (like tonight when our son is using them). But the value of our seats for tonight is exactly zero. And 'near zero' for the game we were at on Monday. And probably about $10 this Saturday.
Now I'm not complaining about the schedule at all. It's a good slate and, apart from this past Monday, I actually enjoy buy games as it's a chance to watch the team develop. So no complaints from me. But let's not be led to believe that a typical Marquette basketball game should be priced like a Packers playoff experience when taken to the extreme. And MU can't add enough private practices and luncheons with Coach and Spirit Shop discounts to make up for that.
Sorry, didn't intend to get up on a high horse.
Not a high horse--I think there are more than a few in your position. I won't complain about this year's schedule. I think there is a bit more meat on the early season games than in the past where it was pretty pathetic. My problem is if we can't use our tickets it is very hard to get someone else we know to take them. Yeah, I know, we need new friends. But the draw does seem to be down from years past.
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Not a high horse--I think there are more than a few in your position. I won't complain about this year's schedule. I think there is a bit more meat on the early season games than in the past where it was pretty pathetic. My problem is if we can't use our tickets it is very hard to get someone else we know to take them. Yeah, I know, we need new friends. But the draw does seem to be down from years past.
I don't think this is just a Marquette problem. I have noticed over the past few years, that outside of the real high level events, tickets to most games on the secondary market have become much cheaper. Then again, I don't know if that is simply anecdotal on my part.
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Here's the way I kind of look at it.
If the total value of this and next week's tickets is $20, ($5, $0, $10, $5; EIU through VT, respectively) and my season ticket costs whatever, then by definition my NMD or Xavier or 'Nova ticket must be super valuable, right? But $200 valuable? Really?
Again, ZERO complaints from me about buy games. And MU can't play ranked or Power 6 teams every day. That's not the issue for me. It's there has to be a limit on the economic value of the package overall. At some price point it doesn't make sense. Sincerely hope MU understands that.
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I hope they take the time to understand their brand. That survey was not a good first step. The new arena ticket situation was the talk of Maui.
I would stress it was just a survey by an outside company.
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I would stress it was just a survey by an outside company.
And pumped by MUAD on their home landing page...with a note from Bill Scholl to boot.
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Went to the Villanova vs. MU game last year with a friend for $6....about the middle of the center upper-deck. Best $6 I've ever spent. Hard to justify buying season tickets (live in Chicago, so unlikely regardless) when you can get tickets to any game very cheaply.
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Went to the Villanova vs. MU game last year with a friend for $6....about the middle of the center upper-deck. Best $6 I've ever spent. Hard to justify buying season tickets (live in Chicago, so unlikely regardless) when you can get tickets to any game very cheaply.
I don't post very often and I live hundreds of miles from Milwaukee, so this doesn't really affect me much (I can only go to maybe one game every 2-3 years at best)...
But looking down the road 5-10-15 years from now...don't these kinds of concerns (financial concerns, local market, HD TVs, lack of weekend/prime dates in the arena, etc) justify MU exploring once again the concept of a 12,000-13,000 seat on-campus (or very near campus) arena?
Certainly I know that the lack of land is a HUGE concern (and there are other major issues), but man am I jealous of a place like Xavier that sells out a 10,250 seat place every single night (buy game or big game). They have to artificially limit the number of season ticket packages they even sell because they could sell 10,000 season tickets and there would be no single game tickets available.
I know a lot of people say this will never be a possibility at MU, so no need to tell me I'm an idiot. I'll be curious to view from afar how this plays out over the next decade (and after the new arena isn't so new anymore yet the prices keep going up and up).
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I don't post very often and I live hundreds of miles from Milwaukee, so this doesn't really affect me much (I can only go to maybe one game every 2-3 years at best)...
But looking down the road 5-10-15 years from now...don't these kinds of concerns (financial concerns, local market, HD TVs, lack of weekend/prime dates in the arena, etc) justify MU exploring once again the concept of a 12,000-13,000 seat on-campus (or very near campus) arena?
No.
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No.
Just curious...why so adamantly against it?
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Just curious...why so adamantly against it?
We've discussed this ad nauseam but it centers on the inherent economic inefficiency associated with 3 underutilized facilities within a mile and a half of each other. Friends, you simply can't build a $175MM structure for 19 nights a year. (DePaul's arena 10,387 seats, $173MM price-tag and arguably a more differentiated property relative to the UC given location, etc.)
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We've discussed this ad nauseam but it centers on the inherent economic inefficiency associated with 3 underutilized facilities within a mile and a half of each other. Friends, you simply can't build a $175MM structure for 19 nights a year. (DePaul's arena 10,387 seats, $173MM price-tag and arguably a more differentiated property relative to the UC given location, etc.)
Fair enough. I generally ignore attendance / stadium related banter.
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Fair enough. I generally ignore attendance / stadium related banter.
It's cool. This topic got discussed for days this past summer. I think it finally ended with 'When does basketball season start?' ;D
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The attendance will continue to decline as long as the home games are on TV.
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The attendance will continue to decline as long as the home games are on TV.
That genie is not being put back into the bottle.
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We've discussed this ad nauseam but it centers on the inherent economic inefficiency associated with 3 underutilized facilities within a mile and a half of each other. Friends, you simply can't build a $175MM structure for 19 nights a year. (DePaul's arena 10,387 seats, $173MM price-tag and arguably a more differentiated property relative to the UC given location, etc.)
This is true. Would need to find a way to close the BC and Mecca for it to work.
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That genie is not being put back into the bottle.
100% correct and frankly it's TV that pays the bills.
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The attendance will continue to decline as long as the home games are on TV.
The attendance will continue to decline if we don't start winning more, not because of televised home games.
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100% correct and frankly it's TV that pays the bills.
$500 million reasons.
As for the attendance is dropping crowd. Marquette finish 19th in the country at 13,715 per game last season.
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100% correct and frankly it's TV that pays the bills.
I've always been curious why people say this. At MU we supposedly bring in around $30 million/year from basketball. The current tv contract is $4 million/school/year. Even schools in the B1G where they are making $40 million on tv you are talking about several schools with budgets north of $100 million. I know NCAA units play a role but I can't see it making up more than $10 million/year.
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I've always been curious why people say this. At MU we supposedly bring in around $30 million/year from basketball. The current tv contract is $4 million/school/year. Even schools in the B1G where they are making $40 million on tv you are talking about several schools with budgets north of $100 million. I know NCAA units play a role but I can't see it making up more than $10 million/year.
Those $70 jerseys and shorts really add up
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You might be more right than you think.
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I've always been curious why people say this. At MU we supposedly bring in around $30 million/year from basketball. The current tv contract is $4 million/school/year. Even schools in the B1G where they are making $40 million on tv you are talking about several schools with budgets north of $100 million. I know NCAA units play a role but I can't see it making up more than $10 million/year.
The fact is though has become that games are on television. You can't take them off television. That would generate no buzz and likely would decrease attendance even further in the long-run.
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The fact is though has become that games are on television. You can't take them off television. That would generate no buzz and likely would decrease attendance even further in the long-run.
Yeah, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. I guess my point is more along the lines of TAMU, that we need to focus on getting people in seats. More tickets, hot dogs, beers (does MU get a portion of concessions?), etc. Tv is a source of revenue but MU raised more from the Blue and Gold fund last year ($5.1 mil) than we got in tv revenue (side note, how much of that is counted towards bball revenue?).
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11,685 versus Chicago State. EIU is the low water mark. Looks like season tickets/bundles up slightly versus YAG. Let's get 15+ for Saturday. Wojo was pleading post-game for a great turnout, including the students.
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11,685 versus Chicago State. EIU is the low water mark. Looks like season tickets/bundles up slightly versus YAG. Let's get 15+ for Saturday. Wojo was pleading post-game for a great turnout, including the students.
Looking at the map, it looks to be 13,500 ballpark for this Saturday. If people who have a ticket show up, it will be all good.
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Saturday's attendance should be the highest of the non-conf schedule. The Purdue game drew over 13k on a Tuesday night. Given that this game is a Saturday afternoon and Wisconsin football doesn't play until the evening, I'd expect close to 15k. I don't think the Big 12 or SEC Champ Games are going to keep fans away...aside from UGA fans who I don't think would be out in full force anyway.
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It's cool. This topic got discussed for days this past summer. I think it finally ended with 'When does basketball season start?' ;D
I believe it ended with the announced delay in the Thunderdome’s groundbreaking.
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Looking at the map, it looks to be 13,500 ballpark for this Saturday. If people who have a ticket show up, it will be all good.
Thanks for the inside info. Would have thought this game on a Saturday would be north of 15k.
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Thanks for the inside info. Would have thought this game on a Saturday would be north of 15k.
MUPanther is spot-on. As the ignominious Woody Allen once exclaimed: "Half of life is just showing up."
The equation is simple...
Those with tickets in hand...A. Show Up. B. Be loud.
Walk-Ups.......... A. Walk Up. B. Be loud.
Those "on the fence" about attending.... this is Saturday...make it a memorable one. Go.
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Looking at the map, it looks to be 13,500 ballpark for this Saturday. If people who have a ticket show up, it will be all good.
13,476
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The attendance will continue to decline as long as the home games are on TV.
Bill Wirtz?
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MUPanther is spot-on. As the ignominious Woody Allen once exclaimed: "Half of life is just showing up."
Actually the Woodman said 80% of life is just showing up - but nonetheless you make a good point.