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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on August 31, 2017, 01:31:39 PM
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Some late breaking developments at Seton Hall. Taurean Thompson transfers from Syracuse and Darnell Brodie doing PG year.
https://amp.app.com/amp/619664001
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2017/08/28/seton-hall-basketball-darnell-brodie-not-enrolled-opening-roster-spot/608784001/
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Some late breaking developments at Seton Hall. Taurean Thompson transfers from Syracuse and Darnell Brodie doing PG year.
https://amp.app.com/amp/619664001
http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2017/08/28/seton-hall-basketball-darnell-brodie-not-enrolled-opening-roster-spot/608784001/
Good news for the Hall for life after Delgado, et al.
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Good news for the Hall for life after Delgado, et al.
Thompson could be an absolute beast after a year off.
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This is fantastic news!
https://twitter.com/tygercampbell15/status/903838765591912448
;D
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This is fantastic news!
https://twitter.com/tygercampbell15/status/903838765591912448
;D
Why is it fantastic news that our conference's bottom feeder lost its best chance to resurrect itself in a decade?
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Why is it fantastic news that our conference's bottom feeder lost its best chance to resurrect itself in a decade?
It's a little funny, but not good news persay.
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Sleeping Comatose giant.
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This is fantastic news!
https://twitter.com/tygercampbell15/status/903838765591912448
;D
And the Beat goes on.
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It's a little funny, but not good news persay.
Really too bad. He wasn't a program altering recruit, but he was a huge first step
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It's not good news...unless he becomes plan B if Grimes doesn't come.
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don't look past DePaul bringing in a transfer guard in Jalen Coleman-Lands from Illinois.
He like Campbell, played high school ball at La Lumiere for the new DePaul assistant.
Coleman-Lands was rated about 35th overall in 2015 vs Campbell's current rating of 60-70th.
I wonder if Campbell saw a DePaul guard spot locked down through 2020 and decided to look for a better opportunity.
Although we all realize you can be successful playing two small guards together. I hope.
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Coleman-Lands was rated about 35th overall in 2015 vs Campbell's current rating of 60-70th.
Wow, that must be the DePaul effect. Wasn't Campbell a solid top-25 to 35 recruit when he committed?
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don't look past DePaul bringing in a transfer guard in Jalen Coleman-Lands from Illinois.
He like Campbell, played high school ball at La Lumiere for the new DePaul assistant.
Coleman-Lands was rated about 35th overall in 2015 vs Campbell's current rating of 60-70th.
I wonder if Campbell saw a DePaul guard spot locked down through 2020 and decided to look for a better opportunity.
Although we all realize you can be successful playing two small guards together. I hope.
I'll say it again, DePaul isn't going to be the doormat much longer. The new arena will help immensely, all it takes is one or two guys. This doesn't mean resurrection to the top, but they will be competing for NIT spots soon, and NCAA after in my opinion.
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I'll say it again, DePaul isn't going to be the doormat much longer. The new arena will help immensely, all it takes is one or two guys. This doesn't mean resurrection to the top, but they will be competing for NIT spots soon, and NCAA after in my opinion.
Shouldn't you be waiting 4 or 5 years to judge?
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Shouldn't you be waiting 4 or 5 years to judge?
Well, to be fair, Leitao does have five years at DePaul.
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Shouldn't you be waiting 4 or 5 years to judge?
I'm making a prediction, not judging. My prediction has nothing to do with the coach, either. DePaul is finally investing in their program, all it takes is one or two guys to jump on board and momentum can go in their favor.
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I'm making a prediction, not judging. My prediction has nothing to do with the coach, either. DePaul is finally investing in their program, all it takes is one or two guys to jump on board and momentum can go in their favor.
So you're saying your prediction lacks judgement?
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I'll say it again, DePaul isn't going to be the doormat much longer. The new arena will help immensely, all it takes is one or two guys. This doesn't mean resurrection to the top, but they will be competing for NIT spots soon, and NCAA after in my opinion.
What, did Jean Lenti-Ponsetto leave???????
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I'll say it again, DePaul isn't going to be the doormat much longer. The new arena will help immensely, all it takes is one or two guys. This doesn't mean resurrection to the top, but they will be competing for NIT spots soon, and NCAA after in my opinion.
People have been calling DePaul a "sleeping giant" and saying they're "just around the corner" for years. I predict that your prediction will be wrong....
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nypost.com/2017/08/29/st-johns-star-recruit-transferring-already-
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St. John's continues to have roster turnover.
Last season there wasn't a senior on the squad yet 5 of the 11 are gone. Three transferring out and two heading back to Europe.
They will have a couple guys that sat out last season as transfers eligible this year and they also brought in a couple more transfers which need to sit out this year.
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nypost.com/2017/08/29/st-johns-star-recruit-transferring-already-
That link doesn't work.
As far as St. John's, I really don't know what to think of them. They seem to have some talent, but will they be deep enough? Will that team gel together? Ponds, LoVett, and Simon should be a great backcourt, but do they have any more depth if Simon doesn't pan out? In the frontcourt, Ahmed, Yakwe, and Clark should be very good, but after Owens, there's no proven bench.
I know plenty of teams get by with a 7-man bench, but it's tough to see what direction they're trying to go. Mullin's style reminds me of an out of control Shaka Smart team. They love to play disruption by forcing turnovers and blocking shots, but that aggression leads to too many fouls and an undisciplined offense. The thing is, you can't play that kind of frenetic pace without a deep bench. If they're going 7 deep playing maniac ball, that team will fizzle out in the second half more often than not against deeper, more disciplined teams.
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That link doesn't work.
As far as St. John's, I really don't know what to think of them. They seem to have some talent, but will they be deep enough? Will that team gel together? Ponds, LoVett, and Simon should be a great backcourt, but do they have any more depth if Simon doesn't pan out? In the frontcourt, Ahmed, Yakwe, and Clark should be very good, but after Owens, there's no proven bench.
I know plenty of teams get by with a 7-man bench rotation, but it's tough to see what direction they're trying to go. Mullin's style reminds me of an out of control Shaka Smart team. They love to play disruption by forcing turnovers and blocking shots, but that aggression leads to too many fouls and an undisciplined offense. The thing is, you can't play that kind of frenetic pace without a deep bench. If they're going 7 deep playing maniac ball, that team will fizzle out in the second half more often than not against deeper, more disciplined teams.
FIFY Not a big deal, it just confused me for a moment.
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Al normally only played 7 players, granted they did not run, but they did press. With so many time-outs every 4 minutes, I can see teams only play 7.
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http://nypost.com/2017/08/29/st-johns-star-recruit-transferring-already-in-stunner/ (http://nypost.com/2017/08/29/st-johns-star-recruit-transferring-already-in-stunner/)
Fixed it for you.
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Al normally only played 7 players, granted they did not run, but they did press. With so many time-outs every 4 minutes, I can see teams only play 7.
My guess is that issue comes more from fouling than fatigue. I could be wrong but it seems like there are a lot more fouls in today's game than back in Al's day.
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My guess is that issue comes more from fouling than fatigue. I could be wrong but it seems like there are a lot more fouls in today's game than back in Al's day.
Lot more zone D was played back then and no 3 pt line
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No time clock
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nypost.com/2017/08/29/st-johns-star-recruit-transferring-already-
the kid committed to UConn. Allegations of tampering. Could get interesting.
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the kid committed to UConn. Allegations of tampering. Could get interesting.
St . Johns better off without him. Next man up.
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No time clock
First team to 15?
There may have not been a shot clock, but I do think they kept time.
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First team to 15?
There may have not been a shot clock, but I do think they kept time.
Time as in game time, but not time to shoot, you could just keep passing the ball.
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So you're saying your prediction lacks judgement?
My prediction is a prediction, judgment is involved, but no prediction can be proven without time and results to bear it out. An educated guess, no more no less.
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Xavier Schedule looks solid for the year.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2017/09/12/xavier-mens-basketballs-2017-18-schedule-complete/657547001/
Once again it will be valuable for the Big East as a whole if they do well against the tough opponents they are playing.
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Once again it will be valuable for the Big East as a whole if they do well against the tough opponents they are playing.
Wow, insightful. Right up there with "the sun will rise in the east" and "water is wet" in terms of profound thoughts.
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Wow, insightful. Right up there with "the sun will rise in the east" and "water is wet" in terms of profound thoughts.
Just trying to keep things moving during the slow period .
Cheers.
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Keep er moving!
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Keep er moving!
I say let's keep 'em rolling...
https://youtu.be/RdR6MN2jKYs
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NuDb18OhuBo
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Strictly posting for the humor of the article title:
"Villanova schedules in-home visit with David Duke"
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/256ff32b-fd18-3226-b7fb-4e0658599094/villanova-schedules-in-home.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/m/256ff32b-fd18-3226-b7fb-4e0658599094/villanova-schedules-in-home.html)
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Strictly posting for the humor of the article title:
"Villanova schedules in-home visit with David Duke"
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/256ff32b-fd18-3226-b7fb-4e0658599094/villanova-schedules-in-home.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/m/256ff32b-fd18-3226-b7fb-4e0658599094/villanova-schedules-in-home.html)
I see Virginia Tech is in the running.
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Charges dropped against Maurice Watson,Jr.
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/prosecutors-drop-rape-charge-against-maurice-watson-ex-creighton-player/article_30ff9328-9fb3-11e7-ab49-8f82624c17cf.html
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Charges dropped against Maurice Watson,Jr.
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/prosecutors-drop-rape-charge-against-maurice-watson-ex-creighton-player/article_30ff9328-9fb3-11e7-ab49-8f82624c17cf.html
I hope he is innocent. The fact that the DA dropped the case because the young woman admitted to performing a sex act with someone else earlier that same night is ridiculous. I'm not sure what her being consensually fondled by one person earlier in the night has anything to do with the question of someone else raping her hours later.
Its like I've said before, DAs only take cases they think they can win to trial.
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Charges dropped against Maurice Watson,Jr.
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/prosecutors-drop-rape-charge-against-maurice-watson-ex-creighton-player/article_30ff9328-9fb3-11e7-ab49-8f82624c17cf.html
Exactly why we need reform. So many accused on thin evidence, or her word vs his. We cannot simply say it is collateral damage to put people away and over rotate as we have done when the accused are not given a chance to defend themselves. In this case, it was a court of law so he could. Now, will Creighton let him finish his degree? Big test for Creighton to show their Jesuit bonafides.
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Charges dropped against Maurice Watson,Jr.
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/prosecutors-drop-rape-charge-against-maurice-watson-ex-creighton-player/article_30ff9328-9fb3-11e7-ab49-8f82624c17cf.html
You had it right from the start
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53647.msg903954#msg903954
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Exactly why we need reform. So many accused on thin evidence, or her word vs his. We cannot simply say it is collateral damage to put people away and over rotate as we have done when the accused are not given a chance to defend themselves. In this case, it was a court of law so he could. Now, will Creighton let him finish his degree? Big test for Creighton to show their Jesuit bonafides.
Look at pro-rape Chicos!! Again takes the side of the man!!!
What a turd.
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Look at pro-rape Chicos!! Again takes the side of the man!!!
What a turd.
Seriously nauseating
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Exactly why we need reform. So many accused on thin evidence, or her word vs his. We cannot simply say it is collateral damage to put people away and over rotate as we have done when the accused are not given a chance to defend themselves. In this case, it was a court of law so he could. Now, will Creighton let him finish his degree? Big test for Creighton to show their Jesuit bonafides.
The process was dropped in the LEGAL system. Creighton's process is separate and may yield different results.
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You had it right from the start
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=53647.msg903954#msg903954
Right from the start? About what? It can't be rape if she was on top?
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I hope he is innocent. The fact that the DA dropped the case because the young woman admitted to performing a sex act with someone else earlier that same night is ridiculous. I'm not sure what her being consensually fondled by one person earlier in the night has anything to do with the question of someone else raping her hours later.
Its like I've said before, DAs only take cases they think they can win to trial.
Her credibility doesn't matter? In a world where he said, she said, how does credibility not become a key component? Law enforcement asked what happened, she said nothing and that turned out not to be true. This is part of what we call getting to the truth.
Now, he may be evil and guilty as sin, but he also may not be It sounds like you are saying the fact that she didn't tell the truth doesn't amount to anything, and many of us would find that enormously troubling in a world where it's one person's word vs another.
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Her credibility doesn't matter? In a world where he said, she said, how does credibility not become a key component? Law enforcement asked what happened, she said nothing and that turned out not to be true. This is part of what we call getting to the truth.
Now, he may be evil and guilty as sin, but he also may not be It sounds like you are saying the fact that she didn't tell the truth doesn't amount to anything, and many of us would find that enormously troubling in a world where it's one person's word vs another.
She did tell the truth. The police asked her about it and she told them what happened. Why does her doing a consensual sex act earlier in the night with a different guy damage her credibility?
Either way, it sounds like something a jury should decide no?
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She did tell the truth. The police asked her about it and she told them what happened. Why does her doing a consensual sex act earlier in the night with a different guy damage her credibility?
Either way, it sounds like something a jury should decide no?
It scares me that people like You are in the Title IX enforcement business. Thank god for Betsy Devos.
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Ooooh boy. Here we go.
While I hope he is innocent, it is concerning that the charges were dropped so easily.
That being said, I understand what 4-to-5yearstojudge is saying with concern over people who have claimed rape multiple times (or even once) when it wasn't true. It's becoming quite frequent (albeit the outlier).
Also having said that, I don't believe this is the case at all in the Watson situation.
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Ooooh boy. Here we go.
While I hope he is innocent, it is concerning that the charges were dropped so easily.
That being said, I understand what 4-to-5yearstojudge is saying with concern over people who have claimed rape multiple times (or even once) when it wasn't true. It's becoming quite frequent (albeit the outlier).
Also having said that, I don't believe this is the case at all in the Watson situation.
Operative phrase right there. The overarching problem is not false accusations. The problem is rape.
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Operative phrase right there. The overarching problem is not false accusations. The problem is rape.
Of course. And the overarching problem in the black community is crime, not police misconduct in the pursuit of those accused of criminal conduct.
Doesn't mean the rights (or lack thereof) of the accused and the possible abuses by the powerful in pursuit of the accused aren't legit topics for discussion.
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It scares me that people like You are in the Title IX enforcement business. Thank god for Betsy Devos.
I am grateful that someone has taken the time to get trained to the highest standard currently available. I am grateful that he shares his knowledge and experience with this board. He is far more knowledgeable about the whole thing than is the person taking away direction.
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It scares me that people like You are in the Title IX enforcement business.
Why?
EDIT: I do want to hear you concerns, but I invite you to do it in the thread on this topic in the superbar. No need to have multiple threads on the same topic.
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It scares me that people like You are in the Title IX enforcement business. Thank god for Betsy Devos.
it scares me that people like you have "freedom of speech," but i live with it. good call on devos though...i agree school staff should carry guns in case there is a bear attack.
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She did tell the truth. The police asked her about it and she told them what happened. Why does her doing a consensual sex act earlier in the night with a different guy damage her credibility?
Either way, it sounds like something a jury should decide no?
"How would a jury reconcile the woman’s report of what happened in the bathroom with her failure to disclose any sexual contact in the car just minutes before?"
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/prosecutors-drop-rape-charge-against-maurice-watson-ex-creighton-player/article_30ff9328-9fb3-11e7-ab49-8f82624c17cf.html
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"How would a jury reconcile the woman’s report of what happened in the bathroom with her failure to disclose any sexual contact in the car just minutes before?"
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/prosecutors-drop-rape-charge-against-maurice-watson-ex-creighton-player/article_30ff9328-9fb3-11e7-ab49-8f82624c17cf.html
Failure to disclose is not lying. She didn't mention it but when the police asked her about she was truthful. Again, what does her having consensual sexual activity with one person have anything to do with nonconsenual sexual activity with another person later in the evening?
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it scares me that people like you have "freedom of speech," but i live with it. good call on devos though...i agree school staff should carry guns in case there is a bear attack.
You're scared because people who don't agree with you have free speech.
I'm much more scared of what the world will look like if people with whom I disagree don't have free speech.
"People like you" is the first step in the dehumanizing process - what happens next is never good.
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You're scared because people who don't agree with you have free speech.
I'm much more scared of what the world will look like if people with whom I disagree don't have free speech.
Agreed. The last couple days have been a terrifying glimpse.
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You're scared because people who don't agree with you have free speech.
I'm much more scared of what the world will look like if people with whom I disagree don't have free speech.
"People like you" is the first step in the dehumanizing process - what happens next is never good.
maybe a poorly worded joke...not what i was getting at...and by "people like you" i mean people like cain who feel they can say someone doesn't belong in their profession without a clue as to what they're talking about.
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Operative phrase right there. The overarching problem is not false accusations. The problem is rape.
Rape is a problem. So are people trying to frame others for crimes they didn't commit. TAMU said the other day lives aren't ruined. If someone wanted to graduate from USC and is two courses shy but expelled because a TITLE IX admin lost their mind, that can ruin their lives. Or severely impact it. Confidentiality? Come on, it's all over the press. In fact, the lack of actual information hurts the young man in this case because it's implied that someone was done wrong.
I don't know why we can't try to be fair and get it right. We error so far now on the accuser side that innocent men and women are being expelled from schools, kicked off teams. Remember not long ago when people here wanted to be extra careful about guilt or innocence as it relates to crimes and punishment? Where did that go? And spare me the notion this isn't criminal in nature, the effects of it end up being like a criminal case with the implied stigma that these people are guilty of sexual assault in the minds of the school and punished.
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Failure to disclose is not lying. She didn't mention it but when the police asked her about she was truthful. Again, what does her having consensual sexual activity with one person have anything to do with nonconsenual sexual activity with another person later in the evening?
Failure to disclose is a credibility issue. We don't know if it wasn't lying because they may have asked tell me everything that happened. If you don't tell them everything that happened, that is willfully avoiding telling the whole truth.
You're starting to sound lawyerly here when people's lives are being effected.
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it scares me that people like you have "freedom of speech," but i live with it. good call on devos though...i agree school staff should carry guns in case there is a bear attack.
Have there been any killings on campuses where guns are allowed? I don't know, I'm asking. One of my kids when visiting campuses they had open carry. Beautiful campus, nice people, we had no idea until after we visited. Did note that crime on that campus was the lowest of all the schools we visited. Correlation? I do not know.
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The Chicos Crusades are back in full force!
You go prosecuted white man!
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Have ....... know.
What's the reward when you get your ScoopBanned punch card punched for the 12th time? For your sake i hope it's not just a new user name
*fingers crossed for a muffin*
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Rape is a problem. So are people trying to frame others for crimes they didn't commit. TAMU said the other day lives aren't ruined. If someone wanted to graduate from USC and is two courses shy but expelled because a TITLE IX admin lost their mind, that can ruin their lives. Or severely impact it. Confidentiality? Come on, it's all over the press. In fact, the lack of actual information hurts the young man in this case because it's implied that someone was done wrong.
I don't know why we can't try to be fair and get it right. We error so far now on the accuser side that innocent men and women are being expelled from schools, kicked off teams. Remember not long ago when people here wanted to be extra careful about guilt or innocence as it relates to crimes and punishment? Where did that go? And spare me the notion this isn't criminal in nature, the effects of it end up being like a criminal case with the implied stigma that these people are guilty of sexual assault in the minds of the school and punished.
Have there been any killings on campuses where guns are allowed? I don't know, I'm asking. One of my kids when visiting campuses they had open carry. Beautiful campus, nice people, we had no idea until after we visited. Did note that crime on that campus was the lowest of all the schools we visited. Correlation? I do not know.
Failure to disclose is a credibility issue. We don't know if it wasn't lying because they may have asked tell me everything that happened. If you don't tell them everything that happened, that is willfully avoiding telling the whole truth.
You're starting to sound lawyerly here when people's lives are being effected.
I agree with this analysis.
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Failure to disclose is a credibility issue. We don't know if it wasn't lying because they may have asked tell me everything that happened. If you don't tell them everything that happened, that is willfully avoiding telling the whole truth.
You're starting to sound lawyerly here when people's lives are being effected.
You avoided my question for a third time. What does committing a consensual sex act earlier in the night have to do with an accusation of a non-consensual sex act later in the night with a different man? How does A impact B?
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You avoided my question for a third time. What does committing a consensual sex act earlier in the night have to do with an accusation of a non-consensual sex act later in the night with a different man? How does A impact B?
Don’t you know? If you kiss your spouse goodbye on your way out for work in the morning you legally cannot be sexually assaulted due to this heinous act of yours. And if you don’t disclose your morning goodbye kiss to your spouse to the authorities when you are being questioned about your lie of being sexually assaulted you should be locked up.
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Have there been any killings on campuses where guns are allowed? I don't know, I'm asking. One of my kids when visiting campuses they had open carry. Beautiful campus, nice people, we had no idea until after we visited. Did note that crime on that campus was the lowest of all the schools we visited. Correlation? I do not know.
I was kinda hoping you were serious when you posted the stuff below. Sigh.
I had to objectives here, and that was it.
1) Apologize, get some things off my chest. Own up to some things.
2) Hopefully get people to stop with the racist stuff, which is so inapprorpriate.
I wish you all well. I don't want to see a bunch of people creating accounts like some have just to respond here. Or claim I am some Badger fan or whatever. I wish you all well. Keefe, 4ever, Rocket, etc...thanks for emails. All the best. Hope to see you in January....I won't be back, that was never my intent.
Cheers.
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Rape is a problem. So are people trying to frame others for crimes they didn't commit.
Suicide is a problem. So is people faking their own deaths to frame their enemies for murder.
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I was kinda hoping you were serious when you posted the stuff below. Sigh.
You got the wrong dude, rocky. Jams = Chicos. 4or5years = hoopaloop.
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You got the wrong dude, rocky. Jams = Chicos. 4or5years = hoopaloop.
Hah nice
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I was kinda hoping you were serious when you posted the stuff below. Sigh.
No matter how much patience you guys have, he is always going to exhaust it.
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DePaul has invented a new month to open their new arena. Never change DePaul.
https://twitter.com/depaulhoops/status/916704706499633152
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DePaul has invented a new month to open their new arena. Never change DePaul.
https://twitter.com/depaulhoops/status/916704706499633152
Tweet deleted, what did it say?
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Tweet deleted, what did it say?
They spelled November wrong in their promotion for their first game against Notre Dame.
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DePaul has invented a new month to open their new arena. Never change DePaul.
https://twitter.com/depaulhoops/status/916704706499633152
Lousy Smarch weather
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https://sports.yahoo.com/depaul-now-two-commitments-eighth-180026450.html
Depaul has not just one but two eighth graders committed to play for them in the 22-23 season. The sleeping giant is awakening!
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https://sports.yahoo.com/depaul-now-two-commitments-eighth-180026450.html
Depaul has not just one but two eighth graders committed to play for them in the 22-23 season. The sleeping giant is awakening!
Maybe DePaul hopes that they'll be one and done in High School.
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https://bustingbrackets.com/2017/10/04/providence-basketball-how-emmitt-holt-injury-affect-friars/
Just saw this. Emmitt Holt has apparantly been dealing with an "abdominal issue" for the past few weeks. Details are few but they already seem to be ruling him out for the season opener in three weeks. Doesn't sound good.
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FYI- Big East Media Day is airing live right now from MSG on FOX Sports Go
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MU picked 7th
https://twitter.com/BIGEASTMBB/status/920625708128522240
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MU picked 7th
https://twitter.com/BIGEASTMBB/status/920625708128522240
Every time I see one of these I am more confident that we are going to be doing very well this year.
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Every time I see one of these I am more confident that we are going to be doing very well this year.
Cool!
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https://bustingbrackets.com/2017/10/04/providence-basketball-how-emmitt-holt-injury-affect-friars/
Just saw this. Emmitt Holt has apparantly been dealing with an "abdominal issue" for the past few weeks. Details are few but they already seem to be ruling him out for the season opener in three weeks. Doesn't sound good.
I just read somewhere that he might be out for the year??
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I just read somewhere that he might be out for the year??
That’s what it says on the friar basketball board