Don't no how prudent its ta cross da street deez daze, hey?
Hurricane Harvey has really destroyed Houston. I think it is going to take many years for the city to recover . Thought needs to be given to the wisdom of relocating in the flood zones.
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First, define "destroyed." 90% to 95% is Houston is not flooded. Many of the roads and highways are low-lying and they are flooded. That's why the images of are mainly of streets flooded and not neighborhoods.
The problem is the streets create a logistical problem that supply (food, medical supplies) cannot get to neighborhoods until the water recedes.
Is it bad, yes? Has the fourth largest city been destroyed? No, not even close. It will be largely back to normal by Christmas.
This is interesting .. (really.) The fake media tells me Houston has been destroyed.
This is interesting .. (really.) The fake media tells me Houston has been destroyed.
Thousands displaced, at least 15 dead (keep in mind thats just confirmed deaths), millions of dollars in property destroyed but the real problem is that snowflakes use the word destroyed to describe the aftermath. Thanks for setting us straight smuggles ::)
Thousands displaced, at least 15 dead (keep in mind thats just confirmed deaths),millionsof dollars in property destroyed but the real problem is that snowflakes use the word destroyed to describe the aftermath. Thanks for setting us straight smuggles ::)
Houston metropolitan area has a population of 6.7 million. Estimates are 450k will apply for emergency assistance.
That means 90% to 95% will not need assistance.
Buy hey, it you want to say it's destroyed, go for it.
Meanwhile, I'll be watching the Astros playing at home to a sold out stadium in the playoffs in October. How could that happen if the city was destroyed?
I'll be watching the Texans playing in front of 75,000 at NRG when they open at home against the Jaguars in two weeks. How can that happen at the city was destroyed?
I thought the PIG in the white house was the most callous person in existence. Talking about the crowd size that came to see him in Texas today. Refusing to show an ounce of compassion or empathy for those that have lost everything or have died.
But you are truly a POS - your unbelievable callousness has put even the Pu**y grabbing creep to shame.!!!
If there was money to be made, Heise would be playing up the human suffering.
This creep is talking about going to games, as people suffer and lose everything, to prove what a man he is. I'm guessing that he sets aside an hour of two to dance on some graves while he is there.
To even produce one loser like this is a red mark on this proud University.
Seriously, what is your point with this rant, other than to show your instability?
What was the point of yours besides showing your callousness?
First, define "destroyed." 90% to 95% is Houston is not flooded. Many of the roads and highways are low-lying and they are flooded. That's why the images of are mainly of streets flooded and not neighborhoods.
The problem is the streets create a logistical problem that supply (food, medical supplies) cannot get to neighborhoods until the water recedes.
Is it bad, yes? Has the fourth largest city been destroyed? No, not even close. It will be largely back to normal by Christmas.
First, define "destroyed." 90% to 95% is Houston is not flooded. Many of the roads and highways are low-lying and they are flooded. That's why the images of are mainly of streets flooded and not neighborhoods.
The problem is the streets create a logistical problem that supply (food, medical supplies) cannot get to neighborhoods until the water recedes.
Is it bad, yes? Has the fourth largest city been destroyed? No, not even close. It will be largely back to normal by Christmas.
I want to emphasize this point. With the amount of refineries and chemical plants in the Houston metroplex, this is going end up being an environmental catastrophe that will take years to completely sort out.
Overall his message was fine. I'm as anti-Trump as the next guy, but these criticisms are just silly. Just remember the parable of the boy who cried wolf.
I want to emphasize this point. With the amount of refineries and chemical plants in the Houston metroplex, this is going end up being an environmental catastrophe that will take years to completely sort out.
4) Finally, say what you want about President Trump. He cared enough to go down there and talk to people. When the President goes somewhere, so does the federal government. If the President makes something a priority, so too does the Agencies and Department of the Government. So, I am glad President Trump went to Houston and let people know he cared.
4) Finally, say what you want about President Trump. He cared enough to go down there and talk to people. When the President goes somewhere, so does the federal government. If the President makes something a priority, so too does the Agencies and Department of the Government. So, I am glad President Trump went to Houston and let people know he cared.
FEMA had a center installed prior to the visit today from potus. And when potus moves on from the story of Harvey to the story of tax reform tomorrow, FEMA will still be there after it's no longer a priority for him.
No argument but when the President shows up somewhere, it immediately becomes a priority. Period.
I don't care whether the President is Trump, Obama, Clinton or even Nixon. The effect is the same. Glad FEMA is on the job but having a President take interest sure helps.
All I know is that while scoopers argue about the political optics and damage assessments, there's one person out there right now dirty and tired somewhere in the field doing his job. Guess where that ranks as the measure of a man?
Luckily, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of "one persons" out there right now doing everything they can to save lives.
Guys guys guys, why fret? You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Heise is the smartest guy on Scoop, hence all his click numbers, and if he says you won't even know anything happened in Houston this year by Christmas, then damnit I'm all in. Christmas it is.
There are very dangerous plants that have chemicals that must be kept cold or risk explosion. Several have now had their cooing systems fail.
Even if these sites do not explode, the chemical storage systems in many of these locations have been inundated. My guess is much of the damage and environmental/health risks will never be fully reported.
Watch CNBC tomorrow ... they have been touring these plants live on TV for the last two days. They are all dry and ready to start up again ... as soon as their employees can make it back to work.
Watch CNBC tomorrow ... they have been touring these plants live on TV for the last two days. They are all dry and ready to start up again ... as soon as their employees can make it back to work.
And it is typical of you to assume that companies lie and deceive. I expect nothing less from you.
What an a$$hole! You're nw active rooting for a major American city to be proven "destroyed" so you can win a stupid internet argument? You are very sick.
And that goes for the rest of you, why you take joy in "proving" Houston is destroyed?" What sick pleasure do you get out of it?
What an a$$hole! You're nw active rooting for a major American city to be proven "destroyed" so you can win a stupid internet argument? You are very sick.
And that goes for the rest of you, why you take joy in "proving" Houston is destroyed?" What sick pleasure do you get out of it?
I'm happy that there are some in Congress who would not deny federal aid to Harvey victims. Even if those same people were denied aid during Sandy or Katrina by those who need it now for Harvey. Ironic
No one is actively rooting for nor taking joy a major American city to be proven destroyed. We are recognizing that Hurricane Harvey has impacted millions of people, so much so that some will be impacted for the rest of their lives. You minimizing it is at best callous and is at worst "very sick" to borrow your words. I have dozens of friends and thousands of students who call Houston and the Texas coast home. I'll be sure to pass on your comforting message that everyone is overreacting.
A chemical plant in Crosby, Texas was in critical condition Tuesday night after its refrigeration system and inundated backup power generators failed, raising the possibility that the volatile chemicals on the site would explode. Arkema, a maker of organic peroxides commonly used by the plastics and rubber industries, evacuated all personnel from the plant and was attempting to operate the facility remotely.
ExxonMobil acknowledged Tuesday that Hurricane Harvey damaged two of its refineries, causing the release of hazardous pollutants. The acknowledgment, in a regulatory filing with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, follows repeated complaints on Twitter of an “unbearable” chemical smell over parts of Houston. However, it was not immediately clear what caused the smell.
Took 80 days in 2012 for my area to know definitively if Congress would authorize funds for restoration. Wasn't pleasant twisting in the wind. But that event occurred in the last week of an election and the posturing happened on the heels of an election with a split result.
I'd imagine since the GOP controls all three levels the passing of disaster relief should sweep through the halls within a week of recess return. Anything less would be terribly heartless and dysfunctional.
... Probably belongs in the Daily Dose of Doom thread, but....
A Best Buy in Cypress, Texas, about 30 miles from Houston, was selling 24-packs of Dasani water for $42.96. The Texas attorney general’s office received hundreds of Harvey-related price-gouging complaints, Klippenstein reported.
Best Buy claims it was an "innocent" mistake. ::) ::) ::)
Or their software automatically generates a price point a certain percentage higher than what they paid for it.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/29/best-buy-says-viral-photo-of-40-packs-of-water-in-houston-was-a-big-mistake.html
Best Buy has come out and said that it was because an employee multiplied the price of a single bottle by 24.
I actually believe that it was an innocent mistake in best buys case. They usually don't sell cases of water and the manager didn't know what to charge. They do sell single bottles of water so he (stupidly) thought multiple the price of a single bottle by how many bottles were in the case.
I honestly think this was a case of stupid more than a case of price gouging. Could be wrong though.
I think one thing that needs to be kept in mind with this Houston discussion is that this is truly a natural disaster, there is no place/city on either that could have withstood these conditions or have been designed to manage the situation any better than Houston is. Sure there are mitigating factors that could influence the results a little like urban sprawl, loss of wet lands, emergency preparedness, etc we're talking a rounding error in the grand scheme of things.
Houston received in 4 days 150% of the annual rainfall that Milwaukee receives. Remarkably terrible combination of natural forces resulting in a terrible tragedy. The metric of this storm is not like Katrina (who screwed up what) but how well/efficiently people are saved and the city recovers afterwards.
The essence of American politics.
The right refuses to vote for aid after a disaster to blue states (cuz remember the Wasilla Meth Queen said they're not real Americans).
The left will vote for aid for ANY American after a disaster simply because they are Americans who are suffering.
Really a quite simple gauge of decency.
The left will give aid
Trump doesn't go to Texas=he's no good.
Trump goes to Texas=he's no good.
When are some of you going to accept the fact that the democrats lost last November? If people ripped Obama, in the same manner as Trump is continually ripped, imagine what names those folks would have been called. If you disagree with the results of the last presidential election, then work to have your preferred candidate elected and maybe next time the results will come out in your favor. Its called democracy.
I have a hard time believing that an adult thought a case of water was worth over $40.00.
Other stores are charging up to $100 for a case of water . Some hotels are tripling their rates. Some gas stations are quadrupling their prices.
While I would never, ever underestimate the stupidity of some Americans, these are not "mistakes".
If people ripped Obama, in the same manner as Trump is continually ripped...
If Obama acted in the way that Trump acts people would have ripped him the way they are ripping Trump. And Obama was called those names even without acting that way.
Trump doesn't go to Texas=he's no good.
Trump goes to Texas=he's no good.
Trump doesn't go to Texas=he's no good.
Trump goes to Texas=he's no good.
When are some of you going to accept the fact that the democrats lost last November?......If you disagree with the results of the last presidential election, then work to have your preferred candidate elected and maybe next time the results will come out in your favor. Its called democracy.
If people ripped Obama, in the same manner as Trump is continually ripped, imagine what names those folks would have been called.
I think one thing that needs to be kept in mind with this Houston discussion is that this is truly a natural disaster, there is no place/city on either that could have withstood these conditions or have been designed to manage the situation any better than Houston is. Sure there are mitigating factors that could influence the results a little like urban sprawl, loss of wet lands, emergency preparedness, etc we're talking a rounding error in the grand scheme of things.http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/08/how_much_would_hurricane_harve.html#incart_river_home
Houston received in 4 days 150% of the annual rainfall that Milwaukee receives. Remarkably terrible combination of natural forces resulting in a terrible tragedy. The metric of this storm is not like Katrina (who screwed up what) but how well/efficiently people are saved and the city recovers afterwards.
http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/08/how_much_would_hurricane_harve.html#incart_river_home
An article describing how the rain that fell from Harvey would affect the Great Lakes if the same amount fell here. If I believed in a vengeful God, I would have a theory about Harvey. I don't believe in a vengeful God. Just a record setting storm.
Ann Coulter believes in a vengeful God: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ann-coulter-hurricane-harvey_us_59a59bc2e4b084581a139315
Trump doesn't go to Texas=he's no good.What rock have you been living under for the last 9 years? Or maybe you conveniently have forgotten all the vile crap that was posted on the politics board during its brief existence. It's exactly the same, it is now the other side's turn. It's called democracy.
Trump goes to Texas=he's no good.
When are some of you going to accept the fact that the democrats lost last November? If people ripped Obama, in the same manner as Trump is continually ripped, imagine what names those folks would have been called. If you disagree with the results of the last presidential election, then work to have your preferred candidate elected and maybe next time the results will come out in your favor. Its called democracy.
The decent vs the indecent - a variation on the tolerables vs the intolerables and the redeemables vs the irredeemables.
Thanks for reminding us how decent you are and how positively horrid those of us who don't buy your political orthodoxy are. E Pluribis Unum.
If Obama acted in the way that Trump acts people would have ripped him the way they are ripping Trump. And Obama was called those names even without acting that way.
This creep is talking about going to games, as people suffer and lose everything, to prove what a man he is. I'm guessing that he sets aside an hour of two to dance on some graves while he is there.
To even produce one loser like this is a red mark on this proud University.
Trump doesn't go to Texas=he's no good.
Trump goes to Texas=he's no good.
When are some of you going to accept the fact that the democrats lost last November? If people ripped Obama, in the same manner as Trump is continually ripped, imagine what names those folks would have been called. If you disagree with the results of the last presidential election, then work to have your preferred candidate elected and maybe next time the results will come out in your favor. Its called democracy.
Thank you, Lenny. I am the maven of decency. 8-)
I was obviously generalizing, but the facts are the facts. Every texas republican except one voted against aid for NJ and NY after Hurricane Sandy. Every NJ and NY Dem will vote FOR aid for Texas.
Spin it how you like, but it is what it is.
Everyone spins things differently. To one side, Republicans simply didn't want to help NJ and NY. On the other side, the Hurricane Sandy bill asked for a lot of money that was unrelated to Hurricane Sandy damage.
I guess its time for a resident of Houston to lend perspective.
We were not in the path of the Hurricane Harvey eye, like Hurricanes IKE and ALICIA....but we were on the "dirty" side of its tail and it dumped epic amounts of rain on the city.
My subdivision had 58 inches of rain, and average throughout Houston was 35 plus inches. Biggest I have seen in almost 40 years here.
Recall for those of you that have been here...Houston is on hill less coastal plain. Over decades, the US Army corps has done an amazing job with bayous (think very large man made river ditches) and huge reservoirs . The roads and freeways are also sunken, serving as a backup water escape system. (this is why you see so many pics of flooded roads...its intentional).
In this storm every reservoir and bayou broke all records...yes its qualified as a 500 year flood. I am next to the Addicks Reservoir which peaked at a record 108 ft deep before the Corp opened flood gates early Monday...because the whole dam might have broken....flooding all of Houston for months(think Katrina and multiply it)
None of us left our homes, unless ordered to evacuate and yet all of us felt the very real fear of water beyond human control. My home and the homes of my kids are fine....none of can drive anywhere for quite awhile though and all business and travel is suspended.
The toll will take many weeks to tally. Houston is uniquely well designed to handle tons of rain...its not our first rodeo. Think of what would occur if you had 58 inches of rain over 72 hours. That we have had minimal loss of life and home flooding in only hundreds of thousands of homes is miraculous and a testament to our advanced systems.
This was worse than any hurricane or tropical storm here before, and the sheer amounts of water have me shopping for an ark. Houston, however, is an extremely resilient, charitable city....you wont even hear much about this within a month or so...and thats the way we like it.
Let me know if this helped or if still you have questions
#fakenews
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/08/29/ted-cruzs-claim-that-two-thirds-of-the-hurricane-sandy-bill-had-nothing-to-do-with-sandy/?utm_term=.08fb08f2aacc
"So was the $50 billion bill filled with pork — two-thirds of which was unrelated to Sandy?
No.
The Congressional Research Service issued a comprehensive report on the provisions, and it’s clear that virtually all of it was related to the damage caused by Sandy. There may have been some pork in an earlier Senate version, but many of those items were removed before final passage. There were also some items that appear to have been misunderstood.
Ryan, for instance, referred in a statement to “non-Sandy expenses,” such as “sand dunes at the Kennedy Space Center, highway repairs in the Virgin Islands, and roof repairs in Washington, D.C.” But Sandy was a storm that stretched far beyond New Jersey and New York as it raced up from the Caribbean.
The Smithsonian Institution suffered roof leaks from heavy winds and torrential rain, resulting in a $2 million request. The shoreline near Launch Pads 39A and B at the Kennedy Space Center also suffered major erosion, leaving the ocean less than a quarter-mile away, so $15 million was added to deal with that problem and repair a NASA facility on Wallops Island in Virginia that also was damaged by Sandy. We couldn’t find a line-item for Virgin Islands highway funding, so it appears to have been relatively minor.
The bill did wrap in some other 2012 disaster funding, including disasters that had been declared over Alaska Chinook salmon, New England groundfish, Mississippi fisheries and American Samoa bottomfish. Those are the fisheries that the Cornyn spokesman referenced — but they were disaster declarations. So one would think it would make sense to include relief in a disaster bill.
Some lawmakers complained about $100 million in funding for Head Start, but that was limited to facilities that had been damaged in New Jersey and New York.
This being Congress, one of course can find some eyebrow-raising provisions. In particular, there was $16 billion for the account that funds Community Development Block Grants, which were aimed at Sandy relief but also could be used for eligible disaster events in calendar years 2011, 2012 and 2013. So the main focus was Sandy, but the money could be moved to assist other disaster relief efforts over a three-year period.
Still, it’s all related to disaster relief.
The bill also included tribal and state clean water and pollution mitigation grants ($600 million), funds to improve weather forecasting ($25 million), and upgrades to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration aircraft ($44.5 million). Those provisions were intended to prevent future disasters but arguably were not related to Sandy. But that’s less than 2 percent of the total."
I was just attempting to provide both sides of the spin.
Also, Glenn Kessler? The guy who admitted that there's some subject spin in his fact-checking? That's your go-to source?
Also, Glenn Kessler? The guy who admitted that there's some subject spin in his fact-checking? That's your go-to source?
I have a question, does anyone reputable chock the Houston disaster up to Climate Change?
If so, that is why there a some segments of society who don't believe in Climate Change.
The essence of American politics.
The right refuses to vote for aid after a disaster to blue states (cuz remember the Wasilla Meth Queen said they're not real Americans).
The left will vote for aid for ANY American after a disaster simply because they are Americans who are suffering.
Really a quite simple gauge of decency.
The left will give aid
I have a question, does anyone reputable chock the Houston disaster up to Climate Change?
I was just attempting to provide both sides of the spin.
Also, Glenn Kessler? The guy who admitted that there's some subject spin in his fact-checking? That's your go-to source?
You deserve a vacation.
Explain where he was wrong.
And I didn't even touch base on the ole Republican idea that any Sandy support must be offset by cuts elsewhere. I will go out on a limb and suggest the House and Senate leadership won't bring up that idea this time around.
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Well... http://time.com/4922472/house-republicans-fema-funding-cut-border-wall/
Next thing you know, they'll be suggesting the (provably false) idea of trickle down economics/tax cuts again!
Trump doesn't go to Texas=he's no good.
Trump goes to Texas=he's no good.
When are some of you going to accept the fact that the democrats lost last November? If people ripped Obama, in the same manner as Trump is continually ripped, imagine what names those folks would have been called. If you disagree with the results of the last presidential election, then work to have your preferred candidate elected and maybe next time the results will come out in your favor. Its called democracy.
Thank you for caring. I have actually had 3 wonderful vacations in the last 4 months.
I keep telling my wife I need another.
I guess its time for a resident of Houston to lend perspective.
We were not in the path of the Hurricane Harvey eye, like Hurricanes IKE and ALICIA....but we were on the "dirty" side of its tail and it dumped epic amounts of rain on the city.
My subdivision had 58 inches of rain, and average throughout Houston was 35 plus inches. Biggest I have seen in almost 40 years here.
Recall for those of you that have been here...Houston is on hill less coastal plain. Over decades, the US Army corps has done an amazing job with bayous (think very large man made river ditches) and huge reservoirs . The roads and freeways are also sunken, serving as a backup water escape system. (this is why you see so many pics of flooded roads...its intentional).
In this storm every reservoir and bayou broke all records...yes its qualified as a 500 year flood. I am next to the Addicks Reservoir which peaked at a record 108 ft deep before the Corp opened flood gates early Monday...because the whole dam might have broken....flooding all of Houston for months(think Katrina and multiply it)
None of us left our homes, unless ordered to evacuate and yet all of us felt the very real fear of water beyond human control. My home and the homes of my kids are fine....none of can drive anywhere for quite awhile though and all business and travel is suspended.
The toll will take many weeks to tally. Houston is uniquely well designed to handle tons of rain...its not our first rodeo. Think of what would occur if you had 58 inches of rain over 72 hours. That we have had minimal loss of life and home flooding in only hundreds of thousands of homes is miraculous and a testament to our advanced systems.
This was worse than any hurricane or tropical storm here before, and the sheer amounts of water have me shopping for an ark. Houston, however, is an extremely resilient, charitable city....you wont even hear much about this within a month or so...and thats the way we like it.
Let me know if this helped or if still you have questions
Three vacations in four months? How dare you? How absolutely selfish, deplorable and irredeemable of you. You sound like one of those intolerable 1 percenters that need to be taken to the woodshed :)
Eng, I think your question needs to be divided into two parts..
1. Did Global Warming cause the Houston disaster?
2. Did Global warming increase the intensity of the storm?
I think the first answer is pretty obvious. No, it didn't cause the storm. We have always had hurricanes and tropical storms.
I think the second question is also relatively easy to assess. Some factors that affected Harvey include warm temps and ice melt in the Arctic causing changes in ocean currents and, therefore, wind patterns, more evaporation adding more moisture to the air, higher sea levels, and the warming of the oceans, themselves. Most climate scientists agree on these, but there is still uncertainty as to the degree that they are affecting these storms
Here are a couple good reads on the subject.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/8/28/16213268/harvey-climate-change
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/climate-change-hurricane-harvey_us_59a6f6a3e4b00795c2a35c15
Watch CNBC tomorrow ... they have been touring these plants live on TV for the last two days. They are all dry and ready to start up again ... as soon as their employees can make it back to work.
And it is typical of you to assume that companies lie and deceive. I expect nothing less from you.
I guess its time for a resident of Houston to lend perspective.
We were not in the path of the Hurricane Harvey eye, like Hurricanes IKE and ALICIA....but we were on the "dirty" side of its tail and it dumped epic amounts of rain on the city.
My subdivision had 58 inches of rain, and average throughout Houston was 35 plus inches. Biggest I have seen in almost 40 years here.
Recall for those of you that have been here...Houston is on hill less coastal plain. Over decades, the US Army corps has done an amazing job with bayous (think very large man made river ditches) and huge reservoirs . The roads and freeways are also sunken, serving as a backup water escape system. (this is why you see so many pics of flooded roads...its intentional).
In this storm every reservoir and bayou broke all records...yes its qualified as a 500 year flood. I am next to the Addicks Reservoir which peaked at a record 108 ft deep before the Corp opened flood gates early Monday...because the whole dam might have broken....flooding all of Houston for months(think Katrina and multiply it)
None of us left our homes, unless ordered to evacuate and yet all of us felt the very real fear of water beyond human control. My home and the homes of my kids are fine....none of can drive anywhere for quite awhile though and all business and travel is suspended.
The toll will take many weeks to tally. Houston is uniquely well designed to handle tons of rain...its not our first rodeo. Think of what would occur if you had 58 inches of rain over 72 hours. That we have had minimal loss of life and home flooding in only hundreds of thousands of homes is miraculous and a testament to our advanced systems.
This was worse than any hurricane or tropical storm here before, and the sheer amounts of water have me shopping for an ark. Houston, however, is an extremely resilient, charitable city....you wont even hear much about this within a month or so...and thats the way we like it.
Let me know if this helped or if still you have questions
Oops...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/08/30/texas-town-under-emergency-evacuation-as-flooded-chemical-plant-nears-explosion/?utm_term=.b7c26b603f53
"2 blasts hit storm-crippled Texas chemical plant and company warns of growing risks"
1. Smuggles comes up with some ridiculous B.S. that is easily disproven.
2. A fellow Scooper spends 2 minutes to find report that disproves whatever Smuggles said; posts link.
2a. Smuggles provides 6-8 increasingly ridiculous posts doubling down on his initial BS by citing completely irrelevant articles that supposedly support his initial claim, but are, at best, only marginally related to the original point, only to be smacked down by everyone else in the thread.
3. Smuggles moves on to the next erroneous report, half-truth or inane opinion. No acknowledgement about his previous ridiculous B.S. No, "Sorry everybody, I was wrong about this one." Just crickets.
4. Lather, rinse, repeat.
always good to hear the "half-full"- positive, up-lifting views from those without a spin. glad to hear you're safe houston you guys are warriors!
on another note-jj watt used his influence to raise a schmit-ton of money for houston-good on him. my biggest concerns when i donate to less fortunate situations-the organizations taking MORE than a "fair" share to "administrate" the money followed by the incessant and unsolicited pestering for more. have you ever fed a stray cat? i prefer to give my money straight to the purpose, eliminating the middle people when at all possible. some of these organizations take 5% or MORE. now that is what i call gouging. to date, jj watt's fund raising has gone past $10 million. that's $500k!! sorry, but that's just too much.
unfortunately, there are always scum bags trying to capitalize on human suffering-read a story on fake dhs agents going to homes telling people they must evacuate, then ransack the homes-brutal!!
Couple thoughts.
1. I think it's great that JJ Watt is lending his celebrity to raise money for Houston, BUT I have concerns about him doing it to his Foundation through a YouCaring site. I'm not saying it's going to be misused, but other organizations are much better at allocating resources where they are needed.
2. Charity Watch rates charities as efficient when they spend 75% of their donations on program expenses. Simply put, it costs money to administer a charity and to raise money. When you hear organizations say "100% of what you donate is going to Harvey relief," that is completely accurate. However they are using other unrestricted donations to cover their administrative costs.
The American Red Cross for instance spends 91% of its gifts on its programming. That is very high - a very good charity. But while 100% of your Harvey donations go to Harvey support, they are taking other unrestricted donations and applying it to their administrative and fundraising costs.
You missed my favorite step.
Eng, I think your question needs to be divided into two parts..
1. Did Global Warming cause the Houston disaster?
2. Did Global warming increase the intensity of the storm?
I think the first answer is pretty obvious. No, it didn't cause the storm. We have always had hurricanes and tropical storms.
I think the second question is also relatively easy to assess. Some factors that affected Harvey include warm temps and ice melt in the Arctic causing changes in ocean currents and, therefore, wind patterns, more evaporation adding more moisture to the air, higher sea levels, and the warming of the oceans, themselves. Most climate scientists agree on these, but there is still uncertainty as to the degree that they are affecting these storms
Here are a couple good reads on the subject.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/8/28/16213268/harvey-climate-change
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/climate-change-hurricane-harvey_us_59a6f6a3e4b00795c2a35c15
Charity is a remarkable business and something that needs to get close scrutiny before jumping in. I've seen a few people that run charities for a living that seem to live quite well.
Is there a non-zero chance that climate change impacted the intensity of the storm? Yes.
However, the fundamental mechanics of meteorology were not subverted in this case, the factors that combined to make this storm what it was (jet stream remaining south of the Canadian border at time of landfall, high pressure system stalling in Denver, storm occurring at the end of August when the gulf is at the warmest, minimal rainfall in the last month, etc) were all knowable. So pointing at this single event and saying "see, climate change" creates a permission mechanism for people to be skeptical.
Climate change is a probabilistic issue, which general society is bad at understanding and media specifically is horrible at explaining in context. Trying to turn a probabilistic concept into single instance examples is scientifically dubious and from an educational/conversation standpoint just silly.
Can you elaborate? Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with someone being paid a competitive wage for their work if the charity is receiving the equivalent value or better in exchange.
That's the trick, how do you determine what a competitive wage is given that every dollar you give in wage is a dollar not spent on direct outcome of the said charity. I just know it's not a good look to see someone running a charity as their only source of income driving up to a meeting in a $50,000 car.
That's the trick, how do you determine what a competitive wage is given that every dollar you give in wage is a dollar not spent on direct outcome of the said charity. I just know it's not a good look to see someone running a charity as their only source of income driving up to a meeting in a $50,000 car.
Nicely stated.
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always good to hear the "half-full"- positive, up-lifting views from those without a spin. glad to hear you're safe houston you guys are warriors!
on another note-jj watt used his influence to raise a schmit-ton of money for houston-good on him. my biggest concerns when i donate to less fortunate situations-the organizations taking MORE than a "fair" share to "administrate" the money followed by the incessant and unsolicited pestering for more. have you ever fed a stray cat? i prefer to give my money straight to the purpose, eliminating the middle people when at all possible. some of these organizations take 5% or MORE. now that is what i call gouging. to date, jj watt's fund raising has gone past $10 million. that's $500k!! sorry, but that's just too much.
unfortunately, there are always scum bags trying to capitalize on human suffering-read a story on fake dhs agents going to homes telling people they must evacuate, then ransack the homes-brutal!!
No problem.
Upon further reflection, however, I realized even I left out my favorite step:
2b. Upon realizing that he has been soundly beaten like a rented mule, Smuggles concedes defeat by incredulously asking, "are you still posting about this?"
That's the trick, how do you determine what a competitive wage is given that every dollar you give in wage is a dollar not spent on direct outcome of the said charity. I just know it's not a good look to see someone running a charity as their only source of income driving up to a meeting in a $50,000 car.
Solid explanation of what a 100 year, 500 year, 1000 year flood is and how it is misunderstood and misused.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-time-to-ditch-the-concept-of-100-year-floods/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-time-to-ditch-the-concept-of-100-year-floods/)
Not necessarily disagreeing, but this sums up a lot of the world's problems right here. We expect those who do work that greatly benefits society (teachers, charity managers, cops, firefighters, etc) to be paid peanuts but are fine with athletes, movie stars, hedge fund managers, and social media coordinators being paid north of six figures. We don't get quality people in many important positions because the pay just doesn't justify it.
Solid explanation of what a 100 year, 500 year, 1000 year flood is and how it is misunderstood and misused.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-time-to-ditch-the-concept-of-100-year-floods/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-time-to-ditch-the-concept-of-100-year-floods/)
Right now....in Houston...there is little esoteric talk over charity money...we have few businesses open to spend anything at...in any case. lolI have been admiring the volunteers with boats, both from the Houston area and from elsewhere, showing up, taking direction from organizers, and going out and rescuing people. Much to commend.
Instead ....typical of we Houstonians....they get out their boats, gather up all the extra dry clothes they have, grab batteries, flashlights, and bottled water and folks simply head out looking for others who need a hand.
Watch your TV news feeds to see hundreds gathered on the edges of the flooded areas standing ready to help and assist however they can. I was out in the streets and rescue center until midnight. No one asks their neighbor to pitch in...or needs to ....its just understood that at times like these you get out and pitch in. Charity is doing right now, and love thy neighbor...pay it forward, etc are almost automatic actions between us when we see what we are going through.
50 plus inches of rain is a people unifier...no pretenses, no attitudes ,no arguing ....just all us asking where do you want me and what would like me to do.
Prayers and outside money are fine ...we dont need masses of folks coming here to help...we will and are taking care of each other. Words cant express the charity and love you give and get during these pull together times. I am very proud of our towns people power today....the most powerful charity force we could hope for.
Not necessarily disagreeing, but this sums up a lot of the world's problems right here. We expect those who do work that greatly benefits society (teachers, charity managers, cops, firefighters, etc) to be paid peanuts but are fine with athletes, movie stars, hedge fund managers, and social media coordinators being paid north of six figures. We don't get quality people in many important positions because the pay just doesn't justify it.
Added problems from Harvey. Because of refinery shutdowns and travel woes, combined with a labor day weekend, many gas stations in North Texas are completely out of gas with uncertainty if they will be able to get more.
Driving in to work today, gas stations looked like the 70's gas shortages with lines backed up into the roads.
Minor concern compared to Houston, but shows how large of an economic impact separate from flooding this is causing.
Overall effects exceeding $100B.
Suffice it to say that LeBron or Magic can learn how to be a good CEO but Buffett and Tillerson can't learn how to be a Hall of Famer!
This article briefly answers your question regarding climate change and Harvey. No one is saying that Harvey was caused by global warming. They are saying the devastation and problems associated with Harvey are exacerbated by global warming.
Things like the intensity of storms increasing because of climate change are well documented.
But there is more. Many of the homes flooding because of Harvey are not listed in 100-year flood plains, despite the fact that they now have a much higher than 1% chance of flooding. That is because the old models have not been corrected for climate change, nor the rise in sea level. Both of these factors contributed to massive destruction. People buying properties didn't know they had high risks of flooding, didn't buy insurance and are now devastated because models were not updated for climate change.
As the article indicates Obama put in new rules to help avoid some of these complications, that Trump has not promptly rescinded.
Saying that the Harvey destruction has nothing to do with climate change is equally as delusional as saying that climate change caused Harvey.
Added problems from Harvey. Because of refinery shutdowns and travel woes, combined with a labor day weekend, many gas stations in North Texas are completely out of gas with uncertainty if they will be able to get more.
Driving in to work today, gas stations looked like the 70's gas shortages with lines backed up into the roads.
Minor concern compared to Houston, but shows how large of an economic impact separate from flooding this is causing.
Overall effects exceeding $100B.
Yeah, I am not so sure about the first part of your statement.
Yeah, I am not so sure about the first part of your statement.
Magic has been an exceptionally successful businessman.
But that is separate from his skill as a basketball player. I took your comment to mean that any pro athlete could be a CEO with the right training, but not vice versa.
I would say it depends on the type and size of the charity.
Marquette University is a charitable organization, and I bet Mike Lovell has a $50,000 car.
Big dif between charitable and non profit.
But that is separate from his skill as a basketball player. I took your comment to mean that any pro athlete could be a CEO with the right training, but not vice versa.
I draw the distinction between charity and non profit at whether or not they can accept tax-deductible donations. Marquette is a charitable organization. The American Bar Association is a non profit.
Ummm, I think you are reading the article through a particular lens. Let's take the Obama rule change example. Obama changed the rule from 100 year flood to a 500 year flood as the basis....but the underlying data and assumptions remained in place that make up the calculation for 100 yr vs 500 yr vs 1000 yr flood, etc. It wasn't like Obama fixed everything and Trump went and undid it.The only lens I look at the article or this issue through is one of scientific skepticism/criticism.
Secondly, the impact of climate change on the flood plain is a non-zero, but it's also not the majority cause. In fact, the impact of climate change is not quantifiable within the list of total factors that result in whether or not a place flooded as a result of Harvey or not. I could list 100 factors that caused the results of Harvey (yes, climate change is one of them) but highlight climate change as a major contributor allows someone to create a science based argument that you are wrong.....which is the permission structure that allows people to dismiss climate change as a thing. If you want to talk climate change as an impact over a trend, go for it because those are both probabilistic. If you want to apply a probabilistic outcome to a singular event you are going to have false results allowing people to discredit the underlying probability. This is one of the clear lessons of Bayes Theorem.
Non-profits can accept tax-deductible donations.
Non-profits can accept tax-deductible donations.
The only lens I look at the article or this issue through is one of scientific skepticism/criticism.
You seem to like to use fancy phrases like "permission structure" that have no fundamental meaning, to try to make it seem like you are more knowledgable.
A general rule of thumb in science, engineering etc., is that you should never use a 10-cent word when 5-cent word can replace it. Those that use more complicated phrasing can generally be assumed to be trying to make up for an intellectual or logical deficit.
In this case you are wrong in many places. The underlying data for 100-year, 500-year and 1000-year floods do not remain in place, unless you consider 40-year old data (in some cases) sufficient to explain current conditions. That is the problem, much of the underlying data is substantially outdated, such that the calculations for 100-year/500-year flood plains are no longer remotely accurate. They no longer represent 1% and 0.2% changes of having a flood in any given year. In substitution for the errors, Obama's regulations replaced the 100-year to 500-year, because it was likely to correlate with the type of risk they are willing to take.
I also highly disagree that the effect of climate change is not quantifiable. It most certainly is quantifiable. We may lack precision in quantifying the magnitude, but saying it is not quantifiable is false. Pretending it is not a quantifiable parameter is frankly strange, and is the type of argument I see people making that do not understand how science works. The same type that says that we have no proof that vaccines even work.
It is also intellectually dishonest to say that the effect of climate change is not "quantifiable" and make the claim that it is not the "majority cause". If it is not quantifiable it is not possible to determine if it is the majority cause or not.
Finally, you seem to want to reduce this to whether climate change caused Harvey, or caused an area to flood. I made it clear in the previous statement that no one is making such arguments. What they are saying and which is a fact is that climate change contributed significantly to the magnitude of the damage.
Similarly, climate change can turn a region that has a 5% chance of flooding in a given year to one that is now in the 100-year flood regime. No one would ever say then that climate chance caused flooding, but they would correctly state that climate change increases the risk of flooding substantially.
I leave this here and let this be a reference as to how the rest of your post is wrong.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/05/03/obama-boehner-brendan-buck-permission-structure/2132583/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/05/03/obama-boehner-brendan-buck-permission-structure/2132583/)
Non-profits can accept tax-deductible donations.
In the face of great suffering and destruction, some get in their boats and go offer whatever help they can. Helping out the over stretched first responders and professional rescue personnel. Civilians taking their watercraft out into the flooding, rescuing those in need with little to no regard about color or creed. In other words, they are showing the best of humanity and the best of America. Character revealed.
Some sit at their keyboard and downplay the disaster and suffering. Also revealing character.
I leave this here and let this be a reference as to how the rest of your post is wrong.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/05/03/obama-boehner-brendan-buck-permission-structure/2132583/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/05/03/obama-boehner-brendan-buck-permission-structure/2132583/)
Not all non-profits. Organizations classified under Section 501(c)(3) of the IRS Code. That is pretty much all charities.
501(c)(6) organizations, like the local chamber of commerce, is a non-profit where deductions are not tax deductible.
Summary:
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=1559
Not all.
Non-profit corporations are established under state corporate laws, so it's a matter to be dealt with by state officials (usually the Secretary of State).
To be able to accept tax-deductible donations, the corporation needs to apply for exempt status through the IRS. Many non-profit corporations are granted exempt status, but it certainly isn't automatic.
ETA: Just read down to Sultan's post, which covers some of this....
If any of the people using those words in your article were scientists and used it in a science discussion, I'd be equally critical. Obama and others using that phrase would be better served using simpler words too.
Not sure what that article has to do with any of the actual science, climate change or Harvey, which were the topics of discussion.
In the grand scheme of things though, using fancy words, or arguing with someone about the science of climate change is not going to help the millions who are suffering from this disaster.
After, once again, getting thrashed in his own thread, the OP changed his name yet again
If you can't recognize that my usage of permission structure was in a sociology context and by extension science based then i don't think we have anything to really discuss.
Your main argument seems to be that because I used big boy words that I can't possibly know what I'm talking about. There are no things in your refutation that contain things in science we call facts so the words I used are the least of your issues.
Here's the challenge to you....you claim that the impact of climate change on the intensity of Harvey can be quantified. By all means, quantify it. Choose a metric and provide the evidence. I'm more than willing to stand corrected if you.can quantify it.
Frankly, I don't care how the phrase is used. I think using complex words when simpler ones can work is pointless. As I said, I'd criticize Obama or anyone else for the same thing. It is immaterial though, throw out my criticism of that and I thoroughly refuted your statements. Not a single argument of mine was remotely dependent on that criticism...it was a statement.
Frankly, I don't care how the phrase is used. I think using complex words when simpler ones can work is pointless. As I said, I'd criticize Obama or anyone else for the same thing. It is immaterial though, throw out my criticism of that and I thoroughly refuted your statements. Not a single argument of mine was remotely dependent on that criticism...it was a statement.
As for your challenge. Frankly, there are hundreds if not thousands of papers that quantify this exact thing, conducted by world experts on climate change. I'm not going to reinvent the wheel (especially given that I am not an expert in climate change), when you have apparently dismissed these volumes of research. Here are three such articles chosen at random. They have quantified it, period. If you want to say their efforts/methods are invalid, write your own paper, get it peer reviewed and get it published instead of just posting about how such things are impossible/stupid on an anonymous message board.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10584-017-1902-7
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n3/full/nclimate1357.html?foxtrotcallback=true
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6345/1362.full?ref=finzine.com%20
And I will reiterate that you seem to want to reduce this to "causing Harvey" or "causing specific flooding" when there is no one making such claims in reference to climate change. Everyone is saying that climate change exacerbates conditions that allows storms like Harvey to form, and increases resulting damage from such a storm. Experts show that those factors are quantifiable and have a significant effect on the probability that they occur.
I believe I had already said that in a simpler way, but thanks for the mansplanation, fellas. ;)
Actually you weren't completely correct. There are non-profit organizations, that aren't defined as charities, that can accept donations that are tax deductible.
Defined by whom? I am not trying to argue with you, I just think we are talking about semantics here.
The IRS. A non-profit cemetery association isn't by definition a charity, but you can receive a tax deduction for making a donation to one.
And yes we are talking about semantics. That's what we do here!
Anyhoo, that is beside the point I was trying to make. Should someone who runs an organization with annual revenues in the hundreds of millions like the American Heart Association or Habitat for Humanity be able to afford a $50,000 car? The answer is "Yes".
Anyhoo, that is beside the point I was trying to make. Should someone who runs an organization with annual revenues in the hundreds of millions like the American Heart Association or Habitat for Humanity be able to afford a $50,000 car? The answer is "Yes".
Luckily, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of "one persons" out there right now doing everything they can to save lives.
I don't disagree, but my anecdote was not in reference to something to the scale of a charity like that. Those are CEO like roles. My example involved a charity that was relatively small and unique to Milwaukee with the annual charitable giving at less than a million dollars.
To be completely fair, for all I know this person had a large inheritance or it was a gift or whatever....so it may not even be a good example of what I was trying to say.
Bottom line, just like corporations there are people involved with charities that are making money of the donations and labor of others that is disproportionate to their impact.
I don't disagree, but my anecdote was not in reference to something to the scale of a charity like that. Those are CEO like roles. My example involved a charity that was relatively small and unique to Milwaukee with the annual charitable giving at less than a million dollars.
To be completely fair, for all I know this person had a large inheritance or it was a gift or whatever....so it may not even be a good example of what I was trying to say.
Bottom line, just like corporations there are people involved with charities that are making money of the donations and labor of others that is disproportionate to their impact.
The IRS. A non-profit cemetery association isn't by definition a charity, but you can receive a tax deduction for making a donation to one.
And yes we are talking about semantics. That's what we do here!
The Executive Director of a nonprofit, in the MKE, with a budget of around million dollars, in my 13+ years in non profits pulls in around 75K. Take home after taxes, $4200 or so a month. Lease on a 50K car is around 800-900 a month...while not the best financial decision, certainly doable.
I'm guessing, are you trying to argue that financially they shouldn't be a able to afford it, because NP's should keep their salaries artificially lower b/c we do "charity", or are you arguing that because of optics, someone driving around in brand new Audi convertible is a bad look to prospective donors and stakeholders? I agree on the 2nd point. At my org, our senior leadership purposely choose not the flashiest of things as a matter of optics, but if you are arguing that salaries should be lower because of the industry we work in, I gotta disagree.
Irma is going to be a monster of a storm.
Primarily the later. However, my point was I suspected this person was pulling more than $75k as salary and used the car as an example.
50k kars ain't no big thang, hey?
I wanted to put forth a plea on behalf of two charitable organizations in the Houston area that we work with. Currently, my wife and I are fostering two dogs that came from these organizations in the Houston area.
Hooves and Hounds Rescue and Rehab (http://www.hoovesandhounds.com/Donate.html) is located west of Houston in Sheridan, Texas. It provides a safe environment for neglected & abused canines & equines. They are currently providing care for 68 dogs. The dogs are currently safe but because of flooding there is no way to get in or out of their sanctuary.
Lola’s Lucky Day Rescue (https://www.lolasluckyday.com/donate) is based in Houston, Texas. They help homeless dogs in an area suffering from over-population. The foster homes & dogs are currently safe, but are running low on supplies. is working to organize a supply trip from Wisconsin soon.
Any help is appreciated. Links are included above for any financial donations. Both Hooves and Hounds & Lola’s Lucky Day are 501c3 organizations & all donations are tax deductible. If you are in the Wisconsin area & can donate goods such as dog food, puppy pads, towels/blankets, and/or cleaning supplies, contact New Beginnings Shih Tzu Rescue (http://www.nbstr.org/id6.html) or visit our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/New-Beginnings-Shih-Tzu-Rescue-198565472445/) for more information.
Contact/Donation Info
http://www.hoovesandhounds.com/Donate.html
https://www.lolasluckyday.com/donate
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Praying it turns into open water (most common for September). But on a similar trajectory to devastating september hurricanes Hugo and the 1900 Galveston monster.
I find the formation and tracking of hurricanes fascinating, in that you have these massive storms, moving slowly from thousands of miles away, and so many things can change the trajectory and intensity.
One major problem with Irma is Jose is starting to form right behind Irma. Obviously days away from knowing more.
I guess its time for a resident of Houston to lend perspective.
We were not in the path of the Hurricane Harvey eye, like Hurricanes IKE and ALICIA....but we were on the "dirty" side of its tail and it dumped epic amounts of rain on the city.
My subdivision had 58 inches of rain, and average throughout Houston was 35 plus inches. Biggest I have seen in almost 40 years here.
Recall for those of you that have been here...Houston is on hill less coastal plain. Over decades, the US Army corps has done an amazing job with bayous (think very large man made river ditches) and huge reservoirs . The roads and freeways are also sunken, serving as a backup water escape system. (this is why you see so many pics of flooded roads...its intentional).
In this storm every reservoir and bayou broke all records...yes its qualified as a 500 year flood. I am next to the Addicks Reservoir which peaked at a record 108 ft deep before the Corp opened flood gates early Monday...because the whole dam might have broken....flooding all of Houston for months(think Katrina and multiply it)
None of us left our homes, unless ordered to evacuate and yet all of us felt the very real fear of water beyond human control. My home and the homes of my kids are fine....none of can drive anywhere for quite awhile though and all business and travel is suspended.
The toll will take many weeks to tally. Houston is uniquely well designed to handle tons of rain...its not our first rodeo. Think of what would occur if you had 58 inches of rain over 72 hours. That we have had minimal loss of life and home flooding in only hundreds of thousands of homes is miraculous and a testament to our advanced systems.
This was worse than any hurricane or tropical storm here before, and the sheer amounts of water have me shopping for an ark. Houston, however, is an extremely resilient, charitable city....you wont even hear much about this within a month or so...and thats the way we like it.
Let me know if this helped or if still you have questions
The other thing to watch for are all the unscrupulous contractors that will gouge folks desperately wanting to repair their homes.
Good lord Newsie, you are directly in the path of the Hurricane. Hope you and your family stay safe. Keep us posted.
gotta love their tracking models ?-( it can either go west then north, a little less west then north, slightly less west then north, ummm, duhhh no wonder carnival has got some great prices for cruises right now
Hurricane Harvey has really destroyed Houston. I think it is going to take many years for the city to recover . Thought needs to be given to the wisdom of relocating in the flood zones.
Funny ... I'm watching Houston beat the Yankees in front of packed stadiums and hysterical crowds. Ditto the Texans home games this season. And the Houston Rockets were sold for $2.2 billion (a record) after Harvey made landfall.
Lots of cities would love to be "destroyed" like this.
I'll remind my students whose homes were destroyed and their possessions ruined, whose families still do not have a roof over their head that "lots of cities and people" would love to be destroyed like them.
Seriously, do you think before you post?
Funny ... I'm watching Houston beat the Yankees in front of packed stadiums and hysterical crowds. Ditto the Texans home games this season. And the Houston Rockets were sold for $2.2 billion (a record) after Harvey made landfall.
Lots of cities would love to be "destroyed" like this.
I'll remind my students whose homes were destroyed and their possessions ruined, whose families still do not have a roof over their head that "lots of cities and people" would love to be destroyed like them.I think that the post highlights the crux of the issue. He watches something on TV that shows one group of people or comes from one select set of sources, and extrapolates that to be the truth for all. In this case, TV shows a bunch of happy rich (or well off enough to have disposable income to afford these events) people reveling in an incredible distraction from real world issues, therefore the other 99% of people are doing great.
Seriously, do you think before you post?
Damage estimates of $150-$180 billion; 77 people dead. Yeah, I'm sure they loved it.
wtf, man?
Get over yourself.
See your problem is you have to be politically correct. Cain says an outrageous statement based on ignorance and fake news that the fourth largest city in the US is "destroyed" and the ENTIRE CITY will take years to recover. Yes, it is bad in certain areas but a metropolitan area of six million is not even close to being "destroyed." But we cannot say that because it seems like we don't care.Horrible? yes. Needs to be addressed? yes. The go-to deflection used? Unfortunately yes.
More people have been killed in Chicago since Harvey. Is that destroyed too? WTF man, why are you not showing you care about Chicago!!
Get over yourself.
See your problem is you have to be politically correct. Cain says an outrageous statement based on ignorance and fake news that the fourth largest city in the US is "destroyed" and the ENTIRE CITY will take years to recover. Yes, it is bad in certain areas but a metropolitan area of six million is not even close to being "destroyed." But we cannot say that because it seems like we don't care.
More people have been killed in Chicago since Harvey. Is that destroyed too? WTF man, why are you not showing you care about Chicago!!
Get over yourself.
Lots of cities would love to be "destroyed" like this.
As someone who lives in the area and has several friends and many students who ran the gambit from significantly impacted financially to homeless and lost a loved one, this is a disgusting statement. Whatever respect I had for you is now gone.I am frankly dumbfounded that you were still hanging on to some respect for him.
I am frankly dumbfounded that you were still hanging on to some respect for him.
Lots of cities would love to be "destroyed" like this.
Get over yourself.
+1
How about a pact here that no one responds to Heisy & chica? They are here simply to start arguments.
See your problem is you have to be politically correct. Cain says an outrageous statement based on ignorance and fake news that the fourth largest city in the US is "destroyed" and the ENTIRE CITY will take years to recover. Yes, it is bad in certain areas but a metropolitan area of six million is not even close to being "destroyed." But we cannot say that because it seems like we don't care.
More people have been killed in Chicago since Harvey. Is that destroyed too? WTF man, why are you not showing you care about Chicago!!
Get over yourself.
It isn't political correctness - it's common sense and respect for others.
And I am outraged at the violence in Chicago. I thought this thread was about Hurricane Harvey.
The last thread about hurricanes became about golfing by the POTUS during a tragedy, don't you remember?So you post an article that points out that Obama should have visited LA after a hurricane and that Bush's fly over after Katrina wasn't sufficient to argue that Heisy isn't a callous bigot?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-obama-criticized-for-golfing-while-1471566793-htmlstory.html
The last thread about hurricanes became about golfing by the POTUS during a tragedy, don't you remember?
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-obama-criticized-for-golfing-while-1471566793-htmlstory.html