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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Oldgym on July 26, 2017, 12:47:17 PM
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https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/7/25/16011736/college-basketball-twitter-who-we-hate-mostly-duke-and-kentucky
Based on who was voting for which schools, the Marquette-Wisconsin hate and Xavier-Cincinnati hate is very, very real
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I don't think it goes in both directions equally. The existence of Badger football means we will always care about this rivalry more. Maybe some of the old timers feel differently based on what it used to be, but my peers have moved on to football when we win.
I think until we get back to sustained prominence, there's a bit of 'little-brother' syndrome here.
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If we had gotten Herro, then we would be the most hated team because of all the winning and national championships we would have.
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All right... who's the smartass who voted for UWM?
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Most hated Marquette foes (in order)
1) The Red Rodent -- The only one of our traditional foes we still regularly play each year. We live together, we recruit together and we trash talk together. No wonder we hate 'em, although when they're good, we quietly envy them and vice versa.
2) Notre Dame -- Every nun in America told us if we were good enough, we could go to Notre Dame. If we weren't, we'd go somewhere else. We hated 'em before we ever got to MU and the hate just grew as the years went on. They, of course, dismiss us as a technical school which makes us hate them even more.
3) Dayton -- Not sure why this happened, but I sense we don't like them and they don't like us. Probably had to do with the days we were all in C*USA and the Dayton Invitational Tournament decided who would be the conference champion. Died down in recent years due to the fact we do not play them much.
4) DePaul -- It's hard to hate anyone with Jean Lenti-Ponsetto (did someone say, pity) as athletic director. Once upon a time, we hated these guys because they were really good. Now, it's like lets feel bad for them and hope something comes back.
5) Cincinnati -- When the Huggy Bear was here, these dudes were just objectionable. With Huggy in the Hills and Mick Cronin as Cincinnati's head coach, they're just obnoxious. Plus, we have not played them in several years.
6) Loserville -- Slick Rick is just deplorable. Some of the ways we lost ball games here made Loserville easy to hate. Dying off because we haven't played them in years.
7) Virginia Tech -- Haven't played them in years. Hatred of this school knows no bounds because of the Hillbilly.
Any others?
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Most hated Marquette foes (in order)
1) The Red Rodent -- The only one of our traditional foes we still regularly play each year. We live together, we recruit together and we trash talk together. No wonder we hate 'em, although when they're good, we quietly envy them and vice versa.
2) Notre Dame -- Every nun in America told us if we were good enough, we could go to Notre Dame. If we weren't, we'd go somewhere else. We hated 'em before we ever got to MU and the hate just grew as the years went on. They, of course, dismiss us as a technical school which makes us hate them even more.
3) Dayton -- Not sure why this happened, but I sense we don't like them and they don't like us. Probably had to do with the days we were all in C*USA and the Dayton Invitational Tournament decided who would be the conference champion. Died down in recent years due to the fact we do not play them much.
4) DePaul -- It's hard to hate anyone with Jean Lenti-Ponsetto (did someone say, pity) as athletic director. Once upon a time, we hated these guys because they were really good. Now, it's like lets feel bad for them and hope something comes back.
5) Cincinnati -- When the Huggy Bear was here, these dudes were just objectionable. With Huggy in the Hills and Mick Cronin as Cincinnati's head coach, they're just obnoxious. Plus, we have not played them in several years.
6) Loserville -- Slick Rick is just deplorable. Some of the ways we lost ball games here made Loserville easy to hate. Dying off because we haven't played them in years.
7) Virginia Tech -- Haven't played them in years. Hatred of this school knows no bounds because of the Hillbilly.
Any others?
I'd just move up Loserville and insert them after ND.
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We don't play them anymore, but I hated playing Charlotte, Southern Mississippi, TCU, Memphis, and UAB. I felt like we always lost games to them that we shouldn't have. I'm glad we are no longer in the same conference as them.
I very much enjoy our historic rivalries with ND and Dayton. I wish we played them more, TBH.
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I'd add Creighton. Their fans were just obnoxious the first couple times here. Of the teams in our reconstituted league, they are right at the top, with only Georgetown rivaling them.
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I wouldn't say we hate Dayton; UD is like Kevin in the movie "Home Alone," i.e. part of a grossly-oversized extended family where the only people showing him any attention are the ones picking on him. But nobody hates Kevin.
And while I agree on the history, I'd just like to say you'd just have to be pure evil to hate someone like DePaul these days. They're like the ragged, starving puppy living in an alley somewhere without a home ever since was abandoned by its owner (seemingly) decades ago. Even if the thing bites, i.e. beats, you once in a while, that's not hate, that's just your own stupidity for not paying attention.
Too early to add folks like Butler and Creighton. Hard to hate anyone in the C-7, actually... like hating one of the guys in your infantry unit after pulling through a brutal war together.
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Wisconsin is #7 and we're tied for 19th.
It's just one more way we don't measure up to the Badgers.
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I don't think it goes in both directions equally. The existence of Badger football means we will always care about this rivalry more. Maybe some of the old timers feel differently based on what it used to be, but my peers have moved on to football when we win.
I think until we get back to sustained prominence, there's a bit of 'little-brother' syndrome here.
Well Buckyville has a thread going right now titled "Marquette Sucks" so I wouldn't assume the hate is that much of a one way street.
Theres definite little brother syndrome right now. They get all the media attention, everyone in the state automatically cheers for them and they have sadly been better than us for most of the new millennia. But the hate that can develop between a little and big brother is something that is unique and fuels the rivalry. I am confident that Wojo is leading us back to our rightful place in the state and I am hopeful that Gard will lead the rodents off a cliff.
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This sums up the top of my hate ranking.
I will never root for Kentucky, except for when they play Wisconsin.
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If we had gotten Herro, then we would be the most hated team because of all the winning and national championships we would have.
Teal was unnecessary!
For me, ND is #1. I truly, truly, truly hated them when I was at MU. We played 'em every year and they games were always intense as hell.
My freshman year (78-79) they came into the Mecca ranked #2 in the nation and we had 'em beat but blew it.
My sophomore year, we went to Joyce when they were ranked #10 and we took 'em. We had just lost to Stetson - effen Stetson!!!! - and were unlikely to make the NCAAs. But we won at ND to begin a season-ending 3-game winning streak, and we snuck into the tourney. I went to South Bend for that game, arriving the night before and staying with a buddy who (unforgivably) had transferred to ND. We got completely shyte-faced the night before, slept through the alarm and almost missed the opening tip. Then it was glorious when the Warriors won by 3!
My junior year was Glenn Rivers' heave - one of the great shots in Marquette history. It was probably the best post-game celebration I've been part of.
My senior year, we went to Joyce and beat the Effen Irish again!
So that was 3-1 during my time there, all emotion-packed games, including one decided by a half-court buzzer-beater. So intense, and that has formed my opinion on this question forever. I know that before I got there, Al and Digger went at it big-time, with Al usually prevailing. I was thrilled when we joined the Big East so that we'd get games against them every year again; sad when they left for the ACC.
When I was at Marquette, Wisconsin was mostly an after-thought. Their program sucked and we usually rolled 'em. Obviously, Wisconsin is more of a rival now, given that we don't even play ND anymore. And the recruiting rivalry has really picked up, with us getting the better of Bucky quite often. So it makes sense for anybody who doesn't have old history vs ND to rank Wisconsin higher.
After ND and Bucky, it's a pretty far drop to No. 3 for me. Probably would be DePaul if they were any good at all or maybe Louisville if we still played them.
I do think Butler and Creighton offer some real potential for hate-filled rivalries to be built!
For now, though, my second-favorite team is still whoever is playing Notre Dame. And in football, that team is my first-favorite!!!
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I can see Butler and Xavier becoming really good Big East rivalries.
Indianapolis and Cincinnati are both within 400 miles of Milwaukee — farther than Madison or South Bend, of course, but a lot closer than Omaha or Philadelphia. Both schools have had more recent success than Marquette. I flat out hate to lose to them, let alone multiple times in the same season (like we did against Xavier two years ago, or the Bulldogs in 2016-17). Hinkle Fieldhouse, apparently referred to as "Indiana's Basketball Cathedral," can burn to the ground as far as I'm concerned.
Truly great rivalries go both ways, of course. I'm sure Xavier's fans won't soon forget us setting a Cintas Center record by scorching the Musketeers for 95 points the last time we came to town. I hope we can find a way to score 100+ against them next time.
Finally, even though Kevin Willard served as an assistant under Rick Pitino, his Seton Hall teams remind me a little of Huggins' Bearcats: very physical, defensively oriented, and easy to label as a bunch of thugs. Their nickname is the Pirates, after all. That's another word for brutish criminals. And they're from Jersey. I hate them already.
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Living in the state, it's UW. Especially after the last 5 years. It's hysterical to me how the mind of an average UW fan works.
"I root for all the state teams, except Marquette."
Upon finding out I don't like UW: "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CHEER FOR ALL THE STATE TEAMS."
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Any others?
Syracuse. Top 5.
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1) UW
2) ND
3) DePaul or at least trying to hate them but they need to meet us halfway
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1. Wisconsin
2. Notre Dame
3. Creighton
4. Louisville
5. Syracuse
Other than that, everyone else is pretty meh. Also, pretty easy to dislike Creighton if you've had the unfortunate occurrence of running into any of their fans.
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1.Wisconsin
2.Wisconsin
3.Wisconsin
4.Kentucky (goes all the way back to the Baron)
5.Notre Dame
6.Louisville
7.Cincinnati
8.Syracuse
9.Georgetown
10.Seton Hall
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As a Minnesota Grad and a Marquette Mom, I cannot think of any three teams, put together, that would eclipse my hate for Wisconsin. Maybe Duke+Louisville+Kentucky would come close.
However, having two Badger parents and one Badger sibling, I have to keep my rancor to myself.
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Everybody love Everybody
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1. ND. ND blows.
1A. Wisky.
And Golden Warrior is right. If we had Herro, we'd win so much we may even get tired of winning!
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Living in the state, it's UW. Especially after the last 5 years. It's hysterical to me how the mind of an average UW fan works.
"I root for all the state teams, except Marquette."
Upon finding out I don't like UW: "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CHEER FOR ALL THE STATE TEAMS."
Saw about 10 people wearing Rodents gear while grocery shopping a couple of days ago. I thought I wonder if I said Joey Hauser to them how many of them would actually react. Maybe one? Maybe.
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I'd add Creighton. Their fans were just obnoxious the first couple times here. Of the teams in our reconstituted league, they are right at the top, with only Georgetown rivaling them.
I concur with this analysis.
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Most hated Marquette foes (in order)
1) The Red Rodent -- The only one of our traditional foes we still regularly play each year. We live together, we recruit together and we trash talk together. No wonder we hate 'em, although when they're good, we quietly envy them and vice versa.
2) Notre Dame -- Every nun in America told us if we were good enough, we could go to Notre Dame. If we weren't, we'd go somewhere else. We hated 'em before we ever got to MU and the hate just grew as the years went on. They, of course, dismiss us as a technical school which makes us hate them even more.
3) Dayton -- Not sure why this happened, but I sense we don't like them and they don't like us. Probably had to do with the days we were all in C*USA and the Dayton Invitational Tournament decided who would be the conference champion. Died down in recent years due to the fact we do not play them much.
4) DePaul -- It's hard to hate anyone with Jean Lenti-Ponsetto (did someone say, pity) as athletic director. Once upon a time, we hated these guys because they were really good. Now, it's like lets feel bad for them and hope something comes back.
5) Cincinnati -- When the Huggy Bear was here, these dudes were just objectionable. With Huggy in the Hills and Mick Cronin as Cincinnati's head coach, they're just obnoxious. Plus, we have not played them in several years.
6) Loserville -- Slick Rick is just deplorable. Some of the ways we lost ball games here made Loserville easy to hate. Dying off because we haven't played them in years.
7) Virginia Tech -- Haven't played them in years. Hatred of this school knows no bounds because of the Hillbilly.
Any others?
7). Virginia Tech cuz of ace custis, sean smith and a blown charging call.
FIFY
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Close geography and winning creates the hate. Syracuse is on there because so many of their alums travelled up from Chicago and we had close NCAA matches. Add that Jimmy B is a pompous swarthy scumbag elite.
Always hated DePaul but now it's a pity clap. ND tops my list. Badgers is a great fan rivalry. Louisville's Pleather Travelling Sideshow was special. Creighton is a fast riser as we are their nearest (good) travel game.
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The problem with our "Rivals" is that we're not playing them!
Of course bucky is #1 and that's because they suck and because of the in-state thing and really because we've had a home and home with them forever and because they suck.
ND should be #2 but we haven't played them in a long time so the will to hate is fading.
Cincy was the one that always got me going because I worked with several cincy grads and always wondered how anyone that dumb ever got a high school degree let alone a university degree... but we don't play them any more either.
Dayton was never interesting. In any fashion. I similarly can't get excited about Creighton.
DePaul is the natural rival but I agree with the above abandoned dog analogy.
What we need is a home and home series with another top level midwestern team like Michigan, Minnesota, MSU, Indiana and to bring back the ND home and home series so we have 3 legit rivalry games each year.
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The problem with our "Rivals" is that we're not playing them!
This.
Other than Bucky, the schools I hated the most when we played them regularly were ND, UL, Cincy (especially in the Huggins/CUSA days) and 'Cuse. And I hated DePaul beck in the 70s and 80s when they had a high major caliber team; now I look at them kind of like I look at UWM - a team we should blow away every time, but which occasionally gives us a challenge because of geography and it would be their signature win.
The conference merry go round has taken its toll, since many of our traditional rivals were once independents, then were with us in C-USA and/or the BE.
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Living in the state, it's UW. Especially after the last 5 years. It's hysterical to me how the mind of an average UW fan works.
"I root for all the state teams, except Marquette."
Upon finding out I don't like UW: "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CHEER FOR ALL THE STATE TEAMS."
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All this hate for a fellow Catholic School; I guess with the Jesuits not in charge of the Theology Department it's not surprising.
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All this hate for a fellow Catholic School; I guess with the Jesuits not in charge of the Theology Department it's not surprising.
Don't need to be a catholic to go to MU. Certainly don't need to love the fans of every catholic school to attend a catholic school whether that's MU or anywhere. don't act like in your day it was somehow better as Al famously talked trash at ND with the nose picking thing
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Saw about 10 people wearing Rodents gear while grocery shopping a couple of days ago. I thought I wonder if I said Joey Hauser to them how many of them would actually react. Maybe one? Maybe.
How many would react if you said "free beer for UW alumni"? Probably none?
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Cincy!
In 93/94 the conference tourney was in cincy and they put MU fans as far away from the court as possible. All the cincy fans stayed for our game and threw cubes of cheese at us and chanted "Dahmer Cheeseheads".
Huggins team of thugs were tough. Even though Cronin coaches now, they still are in my top 3.
1. UW (intolerant)
2. ND (elitists)
3. Cincy (cheaters)
I am developing a strong urge to hate creighton and butler as well.
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1. Wisconsin
2. ND
3. Louisville
4. Cincy
In my mind that's it. There is potential for newer BE teams to become a rival, but for me these are the four true rivals.
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The trouble with rivalry games is it really sucks when you lose.
I am so glad we no longer play Louisville. There are so many games that we lost in the last second against them that we should of won.
Amoroso getting called for a foul on a made free throw.
Buycks driving in and missing instead of holding onto the ball.
Game winning shots by Smith and another player I cannot remember his name.
Butch Lee missing two free throws at end of game when we were down one.
Besides that it seems like we always lose recruiting battles with them.
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It definitely used to be Louisville, Cincy (especially in the 90s) and Notre Dame. The fact that we don't play these teams anymore makes it hard for me to really care much.
I would add Villanova and Georgetown. We've built a history of some great games against those teams and they have the same elitist attitude as ND (without referencing football championships from 50 years ago). Right now Nova is without question the top dog in our conference and the team to hate for that reason.
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It definitely used to be Louisville, Cincy (especially in the 90s) and Notre Dame. The fact that we don't play these teams anymore makes it hard for me to really care much.
I would add Villanova and Georgetown. We've built a history of some great games against those teams and they have the same elitist attitude as ND (without referencing football championships from 50 years ago). Right now Nova is without question the top dog in our conference and the team to hate for that reason.
Which is completely different than referencing a basketball championship from 40 years ago... ;)
As the bible says, "Let he who is without wins cast the first stone."
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This sums up the top of my hate ranking.
I will never root for Kentucky, except for when they play Wisconsin.
Before there was a Cincinnati, before there was a Louisville...there was Kentucky.
There was no better counterpoint and turning of the page than Adolph Rupp vs Alfred McGuire.
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Which is completely different than referencing a basketball championship from 40 years ago... ;)
As the bible says, "Let he who is without wins cast the first stone."
So true. I remember watching a game recently and they showed highlights of D-Wade against Kentucky and it made me so proud. My wife pointed out that nobody else cares about the fact that they got to the final four like 15 years ago.
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So true. I remember watching a game recently and they showed highlights of D-Wade against Kentucky and it made me so proud. My wife pointed out that nobody else cares about the fact that they got to the final four like 15 years ago.
Why are you married to this woman?
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Why are you married to this woman?
They can't all be like you warrior chick...
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The trouble with rivalry games is it really sucks when you lose.
I am so glad we no longer play Louisville. There are so many games that we lost in the last second against them that we should of won.
Amoroso getting called for a foul on a made free throw.
Buycks driving in and missing instead of holding onto the ball.
Game winning shots by Smith and another player I cannot remember his name.
Butch Lee missing two free throws at end of game when we were down one.
Besides that it seems like we always lose recruiting battles with them.
Reece Gaines?
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List #2 -- Hate teams when we get really, really good again:
1) Kentucky -- No two teams in the NCAA have played each other more in tournament play than Marquette and Kentucky. The best time we played them was the DWade game in Minneapolis! We've gone back and forth with them over the years but we've certainly held our own. This is a jerk team and a jerk school. Coach Cal is what's wrong with basketball and hating Kentucky is sort of like hating the New York Yankees in the 1950s. It just comes natural unless you live in the Commonwealth and didn't go to Loserville. Besides, the Baron was a Bigot.
2) North Carolina -- We've only beaten them one time in the four or so times we played them. It was the one time that mattered. They're easy to hate because they're so good. And so arrogant. And they hate us immeasurably. Why? Most Carolina Fans remember Wojo and they hate his guts! Call it hate by association but I've had a few UNC fans tell me they could never again cheer for Marquette because we hired Wojo. Made me feel the Wojo hire was a good one when I heard that!
3) Indiana -- Only God really knows where this program is going now that the Tanned One has been relieved of command. Nonetheless, there's a score to settle with these guys. Dates to 1976 and the regional final. They were really good. So were we. They were just a little bit better that day. So we went home and they were national champions. Their fans are southern Indiana versions of Notre Dame fans. Arrogant, obnoxious and somehow thinking they can reignite the Knight era without Knight. Sorry dudes, aint happening but we hate you anyway!
4) West Virginia -- Huggy coaches here. Need I say more? They hate us because of the Hillbilly dance on their logo (which should have told us Buzz was not happy in a sophisticated place like Milwaukee).
5) Miami of Ohio -- OK, this is personal for anyone who has been a Warrior fan for years. But there is a score to settle here dating to 1978. They need to be wasted, pummeled into the ground and then beaten for good measure.
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List #2 -- Hate teams when we get really, really good again:
1) Kentucky -- No two teams in the NCAA have played each other more in tournament play than Marquette and Kentucky. Last time we played them was the DWade game in Minneapolis! We've gone back and forth with them over the years but we've certainly held our own. This is a jerk team and a jerk school. Coach Cal is what's wrong with basketball and hating Kentucky is sort of like hating the New York Yankees in the 1950s. It just comes natural unless you live in the Commonwealth and didn't go to Loserville. Besides, the Baron was a Bigot.
Actually the last time we played them was when we beat them in the NCAA tournament in 2008 preceding the loss to Stanford with the three Amigos. That was Tom Crean's last win as an MU coach.
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Reece Gaines?
Francisco Garcia?
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Actually the last time we played them was when we beat them in the NCAA tournament in 2008 preceding the loss to Stanford with the three Amigos. That was Tom Crean's last win as an MU coach.
Forgot about that one... oops.
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How many would react if you said "free beer for UW alumni"? Probably none?
Under 1/2 -10000 would be a good bet there Benny.
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Reece Gaines?
That is right, but I did not really want to remember the name.
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List #2 -- Hate teams when we get really, really good again:
1) Kentucky -- No two teams in the NCAA have played each other more in tournament play than Marquette and Kentucky. The best time we played them was the DWade game in Minneapolis! We've gone back and forth with them over the years but we've certainly held our own. This is a jerk team and a jerk school. Coach Cal is what's wrong with basketball and hating Kentucky is sort of like hating the New York Yankees in the 1950s. It just comes natural unless you live in the Commonwealth and didn't go to Loserville. Besides, the Baron was a Bigot.
2) North Carolina -- We've only beaten them one time in the four or so times we played them. It was the one time that mattered. They're easy to hate because they're so good. And so arrogant. And they hate us immeasurably. Why? Most Carolina Fans remember Wojo and they hate his guts! Call it hate by association but I've had a few UNC fans tell me they could never again cheer for Marquette because we hired Wojo. Made me feel the Wojo hire was a good one when I heard that!
3) Indiana -- Only God really knows where this program is going now that the Tanned One has been relieved of command. Nonetheless, there's a score to settle with these guys. Dates to 1976 and the regional final. They were really good. So were we. They were just a little bit better that day. So we went home and they were national champions. Their fans are southern Indiana versions of Notre Dame fans. Arrogant, obnoxious and somehow thinking they can reignite the Knight era without Knight. Sorry dudes, aint happening but we hate you anyway!
4) West Virginia -- Huggy coaches here. Need I say more? They hate us because of the Hillbilly dance on their logo (which should have told us Buzz was not happy in a sophisticated place like Milwaukee).
5) Miami of Ohio -- OK, this is personal for anyone who has been a Warrior fan for years. But there is a score to settle here dating to 1978. They need to be wasted, pummeled into the ground and then beaten for good measure.
I was wearing a Marquette shirt while waiting outside a store for my wife and two different guys came up to me and said they hated us because of the 77 title game. Loved hearing that!
Indiana - "Arrogant, obnoxious and somehow thinking they can reignite the Knight era without Knight." Also could have added that there's a nice KKK presence in that part of the state!
We were getting a doggone good rivalry with West Virginia going before the Big East broke up. Too bad it's over.
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I was wearing a Marquette shirt while waiting outside a store for my wife and two different guys came up to me and said they hated us because of the 77 title game. Loved hearing that!
Indiana - "Arrogant, obnoxious and somehow thinking they can reignite the Knight era without Knight." Also could have added that there's a nice KKK presence in that part of the state!
We were getting a doggone good rivalry with West Virginia going before the Big East broke up. Too bad it's over.
There's a decent KKK showing all over southern Indiana (and a few areas up north too). If I didn't know better, I'd swear the Mason-Dixon Line ran right down Washington Street in Indianapolis.
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All right... who's the smartass who voted for UWM?
The smart money is on a UWM alum.
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Close geography and winning creates the hate. Syracuse is on there because so many of their alums travelled up from Chicago and we had close NCAA matches. Add that Jimmy B is a pompous swarthy scumbag elite.
Always hated DePaul but now it's a pity clap. ND tops my list. Badgers is a great fan rivalry. Louisville's Pleather Travelling Sideshow was special. Creighton is a fast riser as we are their nearest (good) travel game.
The truly sad thing about DePaul is that although they are at best a meh game for us, we are a huge rival from their point of view. They really hate all that yellow they see at their home games with us. It makes them a dangerous team for us in Chicago.
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The truly sad thing about DePaul is that although they are at best a meh game for us, we are a huge rival from their point of view. They really hate all that yellow they see at their home games with us. It makes them a dangerous team for us in Chicago.
True those 10 fans of theirs hate us vehemently
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That is right, but I did not really want to remember the name.
January 15, 2011. The "Miracle on Main". Up 18 with 5:36 to go and lose by 1. Still hurts.
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January 15, 2011. The "Miracle on Main". Up 18 with 5:36 to go and lose by 1. Still hurts.
Was in Louisville for this game. Pretty sure Preston Knowles got hot in the last 5 minutes and then Mike Marra hit a 3 with about 5 seconds left.
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Was in Louisville for this game. Pretty sure Preston Knowles got hot in the last 5 minutes and then Mike Marra hit a 3 with about 5 seconds left.
And we went in to our classic stall offense because why would you want to continue scoring points once you have a lead?
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Seton hall is absolutely on the hate ratings. I hope we crush these guys this year.
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The truly sad thing about DePaul is that although they are at best a meh game for us, we are a huge rival from their point of view. They really hate all that yellow they see at their home games with us. It makes them a dangerous team for us in Chicago.
True dat. Ironically, the DePaul Athletic Dept. actually loves us as it's the only game they sell any tickets for.
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I am confident that Wojo is leading us back to our rightful place in the state and I am hopeful that Gard will lead the rodents off a cliff.
WELL SAID TAMU!!!!!!
Well said!
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Was also at the MU game at UL in '11. Up 18 with 5:44. Buycks made the terrible decision to attack and try and score with about 15 seconds left up 1 when should have waited, taken a foul, made two free throws and run more time off the clock. Final bucket for UL wasn't a 3, but a wide-open 2 underneath for Kyle Kuric after Knowles had hit all those 3s in the previous 5-plus minutes. JFB missed a shot at the horn. Center Stephen Van Treese had a career day too down the stretch IIRC and center Terrance Jennings, who was an awful foul shooter, hit 4-of-4 down the stretch for UL. All this came after MU clobbered ND earlier in the week on Big Monday. A 10 a.m. Central tip time game. Made for a rotten rest of the weekend and trip back home.
Found the box score - Weird to see an MU box score with Vander Blue playing 5 minutes, 3 fouls, 1 T0, and Davante Gardner, 2 minutes, 1 TO. Also weird to see a box score for UL with Russ Smith, 2 minutes, 0-1 3's. And also funny I don't remember Driscoll doing that game. That's the way it's supposed to work. Boy has that changed in 6 1/2 years.
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Well Buckyville has a thread going right now titled "Marquette Sucks" so I wouldn't assume the hate is that much of a one way street.
Theres definite little brother syndrome right now. They get all the media attention, everyone in the state automatically cheers for them and they have sadly been better than us for most of the new millennia. But the hate that can develop between a little and big brother is something that is unique and fuels the rivalry. I am confident that Wojo is leading us back to our rightful place in the state and I am hopeful that Gard will lead the rodents off a cliff.
I love beating UW as much as any other MU alum; and I agree that Wojo is leading us back, but I hope that UW does not sink to the level that we experienced over the last few years. I rather defeat a worthy rival than one down on its backside. Competition is good and we may just be better for it, and you know what: Marquette has sucked for the past 3 years albeit last season, but the future looks promising.
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Nonsense. We compete with them for the attention of the average local fan. Nothing about UW being good can help us. I hope they experience 10 more Steve Yoders.
DePaul on the other hand, I could at least see an argument about how it would help us if they were better, but not as good as us.
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Nonsense. We compete with them for the attention of the average local fan. Nothing about UW being good can help us. I hope they experience 10 more Steve Yoders.
DePaul on the other hand, I could at least see an argument about how it would help us if they were better, but not as good as us.
Given that we do not seem to recruit much in Illinois these days, I think DePaul becoming good again wouild be a postive.
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Given that we do not seem to recruit much in Illinois these days, I think DePaul becoming good again wouild be a postive.
Maybe Ed Morrow could be the start of some inroads into Chicago.
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Nonsense. We compete with them for the attention of the average local fan. Nothing about UW being good can help us. I hope they experience 10 more Steve Yoders.
Couldn't disagree more. To be the best, you have to beat the best. Can't be afraid of competition. Whether it's on the court or battling for top local recruits. By your logic, we shouldn't be in the Big East because we compete with Nova, Xavier etc. for fans and recruits on the East Coast or nationwide.
Duke-UNC is a great rivalry because they're both legendary programs in the same state. Both programs benefit; every game is a highlight game on a national basis — especially when both schools are ranked highly.
As our main rival and strongest non-conference opponent, UW benefits us most when they're at their best (and we're at the same level or better). I'd like nothing more if the UW-Marquette series approached the level of Duke-UNC.
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We play them once a year and we aren't even in the same conference like Duke and NC.
Let them go ahead and rot for the foreseeable future. Couldn't care less if they won single digit games for the next 20 years.
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Hear what you all are saying but I don't care. Hate isn't logical. I want to see Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas, and Kentucky loss as many games as possible.
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If UW was a hopelessly pathetic program, at the level of UW-Milwaukee (ranked 259th by KenPom in 2016-17), why continue the rivalry at all? I focus on the Big East conference schedule. But I do look forward to playing the Badgers every year. And I wouldn't enjoy beating them nearly as much if they were a complete pushover. Sounds boring, if you ask me.
I'm curious about something else. Let's say by some miracle we resumed our annual series with Notre Dame — another non-conference opponent repeatedly mentioned as a hated rival. Would you want them to be terrible, as well? For me, it wouldn't be worth playing the Fighting Irish if they were last-place in the ACC every season.
Great rivalries require a worthy opponent. Getting a victory at the Kohl Center — where the Badgers win close to 90% of their games — will be a huge challenge. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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If UW was a hopelessly pathetic program, at the level of UW-Milwaukee (ranked 259th by KenPom in 2016-17), why continue the rivalry at all? I focus on the Big East conference schedule. But I do look forward to playing the Badgers every year. And I wouldn't enjoy beating them nearly as much if they were a complete pushover. Sounds boring, if you ask me.
I'm curious about something else. Let's say by some miracle we resumed our annual series with Notre Dame — another non-conference opponent repeatedly mentioned as a hated rival. Would you want them to be terrible, as well? For me, it wouldn't be worth playing the Fighting Irish if they were last-place in the ACC every season.
Great rivalries require a worthy opponent. Getting a victory at the Kohl Center — where the Badgers win close to 90% of their games — will be a huge challenge. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Yes. I would enjoy pounding the snot out of a last place Wisconsin and Notre Dame every year. Told you, hate ain't logical.
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Couldn't disagree more. To be the best, you have to beat the best. Can't be afraid of competition. Whether it's on the court or battling for top local recruits. By your logic, we shouldn't be in the Big East because we compete with Nova, Xavier etc. for fans and recruits on the East Coast or nationwide.
Duke-UNC is a great rivalry because they're both legendary programs in the same state. Both programs benefit; every game is a highlight game on a national basis — especially when both schools are ranked highly.
As our main rival and strongest non-conference opponent, UW benefits us most when they're at their best (and we're at the same level or better). I'd like nothing more if the UW-Marquette series approached the level of Duke-UNC.
Just curious, but did you grow up in WI and do you live here now? I think this always impacts everyone's feeling about UW. In my experience, the more you interact with their fan base, the more you dislike them and want them to lose every game.
Also, how familiar are you with the Duke/UNC rivalry? I lived down there for a few years, and everyone hates Duke, except for people that actually went there. Duke can fill their arena because it's small, they have just enough local hard-core fans, and it's a novelty to visit. At MU, we have 18,000 seats to fill every game, which means we need more of the casual, local fans. We struggle to get a decent radio deal, and struggle to get any coverage from the local media. UW being good only makes that more difficult. We fight with UW for a limited number of local recruits. I think Duke is a unique situation since they're able to live off their national reputation and fan following. Life is better for MU when UW sucks.
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Just curious, but did you grow up in WI and do you live here now? I think this always impacts everyone's feeling about UW. In my experience, the more you interact with their fan base, the more you dislike them and want them to lose every game.
Also, how familiar are you with the Duke/UNC rivalry? I lived down there for a few years, and everyone hates Duke, except for people that actually went there. Duke can fill their arena because it's small, they have just enough local hard-core fans, and it's a novelty to visit. At MU, we have 18,000 seats to fill every game, which means we need more of the casual, local fans. We struggle to get a decent radio deal, and struggle to get any coverage from the local media. UW being good only makes that more difficult. We fight with UW for a limited number of local recruits. I think Duke is a unique situation since they're able to live off their national reputation and fan following. Life is better for MU when UW sucks.
Lifelong Wisconsin resident. Born in Milwaukee, grew up in the northwest part of the state (River Falls), graduated high school from Platteville, lived in Milwaukee since graduating from Marquette.
As pointed out, fandom isn't rational. You can't change how you feel. But I think a series against a vastly inferior opponent has little to offer. Look at the Marquette-DePaul series. This used to be a truly great rivalry. Today it's a ghost of its former self — despite the fact that we're just 90 miles apart and play twice a year.
My hatred for the Blue Demons flowed much more strongly in the 90s when they were good. I can only imagine what it was like in the 70s. Today I almost feel pity for them; their basketball program is pathetic. If they were at least semi-competitive the past decade, the rivalry would be way better. Just my opinion. Hate away however you like.
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To have a meaningful rivalry, both schools have to be consistently performing at a high level . When the disparity is too much the rivalry loses intensity.
A great example is the Michigan State Michigan football rivalry. There was a long period where MSU was a significantly weaker program and the rivalry lost its appeal. It was still a big sold out game but the U of M people focused much more on the Ohio State game. In the last 10 years or so the game has become more of a rivalry type game as the programs have been more evenly matched.
I never considered UW much of a rival in the Al era. Now that they are consistently competitive the game has more of a rivalry feel to it. I like where our program is relative to theirs at this point and believe we will do well over the course of next few years in this game.
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Lifelong Wisconsin resident. Born in Milwaukee, grew up in the northwest part of the state (River Falls), graduated high school from Platteville, lived in Milwaukee since graduating from Marquette.
As pointed out, fandom isn't rational. You can't change how you feel. But I think a series against a vastly inferior opponent has little to offer. Look at the Marquette-DePaul series. This used to be a truly great rivalry. Today it's a ghost of its former self — despite the fact that we're just 90 miles apart and play twice a year.
My hatred for the Blue Demons flowed much more strongly in the 90s when they were good. I can only imagine what it was like in the 70s. Today I almost feel pity for them; their basketball program is pathetic. If they were at least semi-competitive the past decade, the rivalry would be way better. Just my opinion. Hate away however you like.
Thanks for the answer, you make a lot of valid points, and I agree the games are more fun when they're competitive. I just wish we were winning more than losing against UW.
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To have a meaningful rivalry, both schools have to be consistently performing at a high level . When the disparity is too much the rivalry loses intensity.
I agree, kind of like how the Packers-Bears rivalry isn't what it could be when both are pretty good teams.
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My feelings on this topic have changed a great deal over the years. Sitting here today, the one team I always to see MU play, and beat, is Kentucky. Strong feelings on Kentucky since childhood and they still remain today. Honestly, the other hated teams have lost their hate for us and it takes away from the rivalry.
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Wisconsin has won the last two matchups. But we won 3 of the previous 4 games before that. So we're 3-3 the past 6 seasons — can't get much more competitive than that.
This year is the series centennial; MU and UW played for the first time in 1917. We've met Wisconsin more than any other opponent in program history. I'd love to run the Badgers out of their own gym this year and continue the punishment for another decade to even up the series (Wisconsin holds a 67-56 advantage all-time).
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Wisconsin has won the last two matchups. But we won 3 of the previous 4 games before that. So we're 3-3 the past 6 seasons — can't get much more competitive than that.
MU beat them at the KC two years ago, lost at home last year.
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I never considered UW much of a rival in the Al era. Now that they are consistently competitive the game has more of a rivalry feel to it. I like where our program is relative to theirs at this point and believe we will do well over the course of next few years in this game.
Between 1969 and 1984, MU went 19-2 against Wisconsin — including a 15-game winning streak. You're right, not much of a rival then.
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MU beat them at the KC two years ago, lost at home last year.
Oops. Thanks for correction. And I was at that game in Madison! How could I forget? Henry had a double-double and we shot the lights out as a team. The season seemed so promising at that point.
The series is tied 5-5 over the past 10 seasons.
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My feelings on this topic have changed a great deal over the years. Sitting here today, the one team I always to see MU play, and beat, is Kentucky. Strong feelings on Kentucky since childhood and they still remain today. Honestly, the other hated teams have lost their hate for us and it takes away from the rivalry.
I recently rewatched the MU-Kentucky game that got us to the 2003 Final Four. That was a great team. Future NBA players in Wade, Diener and Novak. Good size underneath in Jackson and Merritt (who's underrated as a player in my opinion). Solid role players in Sanders, Townsend and Chapman. Wade and Jackson were an awesome 1-2 punch during the first half.
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I'm coaching at Hornets camp this week and they trotted out former role player Matt Carroll to talk to the kids a little bit.
Afterward, I went up to him, shook his hand and said, "I guess you went to Notre Dame because you couldn't get into Marquette, right?" He laughed and we chatted a little about the old rivalry.
He was a senior the year we went to the Final Four, and they killed us in December that season. Carroll had 14 pts and 7 rebs against us. Went on to average about 7 points in the NBA and make almost $30 million over a 10-year career. Not bad.
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I'm coaching at Hornets camp this week and they trotted out former role player Matt Carroll to talk to the kids a little bit.
Afterward, I went up to him, shook his hand and said, "I guess you went to Notre Dame because you couldn't get into Marquette, right?" He laughed and we chatted a little about the old rivalry.
He was a senior the year we went to the Final Four, and they killed us in December that season. Carroll had 14 pts and 7 rebs against us. Went on to average about 7 points in the NBA and make almost $30 million over a 10-year career. Not bad.
Matt who?
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Let them go ahead and rot for the foreseeable future. Couldn't care less if they won single digit games for the next 20 years.
They won't. You couldn't care less if we lose single digit games to Bucky the next 20 years? Am I missing something? I understand you are Chicago first, MU second......but this is bizarre.
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I'm coaching at Hornets camp this week and they trotted out former role player Matt Carroll to talk to the kids a little bit.
Afterward, I went up to him, shook his hand and said, "I guess you went to Notre Dame because you couldn't get into Marquette, right?" He laughed and we chatted a little about the old rivalry.
He was a senior the year we went to the Final Four, and they killed us in December that season. Carroll had 14 pts and 7 rebs against us. Went on to average about 7 points in the NBA and make almost $30 million over a 10-year career. Not bad.
Calling a Cheeks name drop....and was Matt picking his nose with his ring finger? Who was the Domer that liked the Ganja?
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Calling a Cheeks name drop.
Well, I didn't say I knew Matt Carroll. I said he happened to be speaking to a kids basketball camp I'm coaching at this week, and then I gave a little anecdote.
So yeah, exactly the same as chicos talking about all of his close personal friends.
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Matt who?
Matt The One Who Earned $30 Million As An NBA Player Which Might Not Be As Much As You Earned But Oh Well.
That's who!
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They won't. You couldn't care less if we lose single digit games to Bucky the next 20 years? Am I missing something? I understand you are Chicago first, MU second......but this is bizarre.
I couldnt care less if Wisconsin won single digit games per season for the next 20 years?
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Well, I didn't say I knew Matt Carroll. I said he happened to be speaking to a kids basketball camp I'm coaching at this week, and then I gave a little anecdote.
So yeah, exactly the same as chicos talking about all of his close personal friends.
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