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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Marquette4life on July 25, 2017, 06:56:19 PM
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Who do u guys think will start and get most minutes off bench this year
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I personally see the starters as:
G: Andrew Rowsey
G: Markus Howard
W: Haanif Cheatham
F: Sam Hauser
C: Harry Froling (with Heldt starting the first 9 or whatever games)
I think the backup C (John at first, Heldt once Froling is eligible) will get the most minutes off the bench and basically split time with the starter. After that is anyone's guess. I would hypothesize that Cain, Anim, and John would round out the rotation with Elliott and Eke getting spot minutes. But that is based off very limited viewings of each player and secondhand opinions from those who have seen a little more of them.
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I personally see the starters as:
G: Andrew Rowsey
G: Markus Howard
W: Haanif Cheatham
F: Sam Hauser
C: Harry Froling (with Heldt starting the first 9 or whatever games)
Thanks for the input. Is Morrow eligible this year though
I think the backup C (John at first, Heldt once Froling is eligible) will get the most minutes off the bench and basically split time with the starter. After that is anyone's guess. I would hypothesize that Cain, Anim, and John would round out the rotation with Elliott and Eke getting spot minutes. But that is based off very limited viewings of each player and secondhand opinions from those who have seen a little more of them.
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Morrow needs to redshirt per NCAA transfer regulations.
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I share TAMUs thoughts at this time
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I personally see the starters as:
G: Andrew Rowsey
G: Markus Howard
W: Haanif Cheatham
F: Sam Hauser
C: Harry Froling (with Heldt starting the first 9 or whatever games)
I think the backup C (John at first, Heldt once Froling is eligible) will get the most minutes off the bench and basically split time with the starter. After that is anyone's guess. I would hypothesize that Cain, Anim, and John would round out the rotation with Elliott and Eke getting spot minutes. But that is based off very limited viewings of each player and secondhand opinions from those who have seen a little more of them.
I was feelin' good about next year til I saw your starting lineup prediction - not that I think you are wrong.
But that lineup really doesn't make us any better than last year unless there is a huge improvement from Hani. Two small guards (albeit great shooters), a guy who played his way to the end of the bench, a guy playing out of position at the '4', and a center who has yet to prove himself at the college level. There is not much chance the defense will be better with that lineup and it could be worse.
We really need Cain or John to step up as freshman.
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I was feelin' good about next year til I saw your starting lineup prediction - not that I think you are wrong.
But that lineup really doesn't make us any better than last year unless there is a huge improvement from Hani. Two small guards (albeit great shooters), a guy who played his way to the end of the bench, a guy playing out of position at the '4', and a center who has yet to prove himself at the college level. There is not much chance the defense will be better with that lineup and it could be worse.
We really need Cain or John to step up as freshman.
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I have said this before, but I would not be surprised at a small step back next year. Unless a couple people play better than I think they will.
And while I think 2018-19 will be very good with Morrow's eligibility and Joey joining, 2019-20 could really be incredible if everyone sticks around.
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There is actual size coming off the bench. The starters should be a year better. Haanif is the wild card. Second wild card is how fast the freshmen if both break in MU's favor, it will be a good year. If they break poorly, then Sacar and Froling had better be money.
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I'd rather see some 2nd unit scoring so that means either Froling or Rowsey or (my preference) both off the bench.
PG howard
2 Sacar
3 Sam
4 revolving frosh
5 Heldt
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Non-Conference
G: Markus Howard
G: Andrew Rowsey
G: Haanif Cheatham
F: Sam Hauser
C: Matt Heldt
Conference
G: Markus Howard
G: Andrew Rowsey
F: Sam Hauser
F: Theo John
C: Harry Froling
To start the year, very similar to last year. Heldt was already a spot starter while Cheatham steps into the type of role JJ and Reinhardt played. Anim and John first off the bench, with Cain, Elliott, and Eke getting spot minutes.
Once conference play rolls around, I think Theo's shot-blocking and physicality will be a better pairing for Froling. I don't expect much offense from the freshman, but everyone else in that lineup can score. Heldt, Haanif, Anim, and Cain give us a solid bench with Elliott and Eke likely getting even less than they did in non-conference. It wouldn't surprise me if one or both of Elliott and Eke considered a redshirt.
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I have said this before, but I would not be surprised at a small step back next year. Unless a couple people play better than I think they will.
And while I think 2018-19 will be very good with Morrow's eligibility and Joey joining, 2019-20 could really be incredible if everyone sticks around.
Yes
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We'll miss KR and Luke. But as has been mentioned, big man depth, while perhaps not as talented, might allow us to do a better job of protecting the rim. We might not be quite the scoring machine we were this past season. But maybe we can prevent the other guys from scoring just a bit more.
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I also think the step back is very possible, and while I'm hoping for another NCAA bid, it's not as important as it was last year. There most important thing this year is to develop this roster. Do that, and 2018-19 could be very special.
That said, we should be better defensively, and any team with three shooters like Markus, Sam, and Rowsey should be prolific offensively. I think we can be on the right side of the bubble.
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Torn between:
Rowsey
Howard
Sacar
Sam
Heldt
and:
Rowsey
Howard
Sam
Theo
Heldt
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My prediction is that Rousey starts the whole year, but as the season goes on Elliot will be taking away more and more of his minutes.
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I personally see the starters as:
G: Andrew Rowsey
G: Markus Howard
W: Haanif Cheatham
F: Sam Hauser
C: Harry Froling (with Heldt starting the first 9 or whatever games)
I think the backup C (John at first, Heldt once Froling is eligible) will get the most minutes off the bench and basically split time with the starter. After that is anyone's guess. I would hypothesize that Cain, Anim, and John would round out the rotation with Elliott and Eke getting spot minutes. But that is based off very limited viewings of each player and secondhand opinions from those who have seen a little more of them.
Heldt has the physicality and toughness to compete in the Big East and will receive the majority of the center minutes. He is the key to the season.
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Non con
PG rowsey
Sg Howard
Sf hani
Pf Sam
C heldt
Conference
PG Rowsey
Sg Howard
Sf Sam or Sacar
Pf Sam or theo
C heldt (froling will get more time)
A lot of people forget that Rowsey was the main handler when both were in last year. He will be the pg when both are in
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Torn between:
Rowsey
Howard
Sacar
Sam
Heldt
and:
Rowsey
Howard
Sam
Theo
Heldt
Hey nice list ;D ;D :D
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I really see the following:
Rowsey
Howard
Hannie
Sam
Heldt/froiling
Also, I think Sacar is a beast, but can some of you explain how you have a kid, who played spot minutes his frosh year and then red shirted is automatically in your starting lineups?
I will admit he may be the first 2 people off the bench (with Theo or Cain) but not sure I've seen enough to see him as an immediate starter.
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My prediction is that Rousey starts the whole year, but as the season goes on Elliot will be taking away more and more of his minutes.
Um, no. And who is this Rousey you speak of?
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I really see the following:
Rowsey
Howard
Hannie
Sam
Heldt/froiling
Also, I think Sacar is a beast, but can some of you explain how you have a kid, who played spot minutes his frosh year and then red shirted is automatically in your starting lineups?
I will admit he may be the first 2 people off the bench (with Theo or Cain) but not sure I've seen enough to see him as an immediate starter.
The truth is, we actually probably only know 3 lock starters at this point. Sam, Rowsey and Markus. Heck, half the team we've never seen play. The reality of today's NCAA.
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Also, I think Sacar is a beast, but can some of you explain how you have a kid, who played spot minutes his frosh year and then red shirted is automatically in your starting lineups?
Has to be backup quarterback syndrome. We've been hearing for two years about how athletic he is, Reinhardt praised his work ethic and development, and we all have the nostalgic memories of Wade.
Plenty of people were disenchanted with Cheatham last year, so it seems like Anim is the next most "known" quantity.
Honestly, the same could be said about Heldt and Froling. Matty Ice Cream didn't just start ahead of Luke the last 7 games, he also averaged 20.5 mpg. Maybe Froling comes in and takes his spot by January 1, but maybe Heldt continues his development and is our main center all year long.
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Has to be backup quarterback syndrome. We've been hearing for two years about how athletic he is, Reinhardt praised his work ethic and development, and we all have the nostalgic memories of Wade.
Plenty of people were disenchanted with Cheatham last year, so it seems like Anim is the next most "known" quantity.
Honestly, the same could be said about Heldt and Froling. Matty Ice Cream didn't just start ahead of Luke the last 7 games, he also averaged 20.5 mpg. Maybe Froling comes in and takes his spot by January 1, but maybe Heldt continues his development and is our main center all year long.
Yep. If Matty can continue his development at anything approaching the same pace he'll never give up that starting spot.
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I just don't know who else starts. My thought is I'm somewhat comfortable thinking 4 spots will be filled by Sam, Hedlt, Rowsey, and Howard for most of the year. I wouldn't be shocked if Heldt isn't starting, but surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if, at some point in the season, Wojo wanted to stagger Rowsey and Howard's minutes as much as possible so at least 1 of them is always on the court. But for the most part those 4 I see as the most likely to be consistent starters.
That leaves one spot open, with 3 of the 4 spots being locked into "positions." Rowsey/Howard are your guards, Heldt is your center. That leaves Sam to play either the "3" or "4." So I think either Sacar at the 3 or Theo at the 4. Even when Froling is eligible, I can't see having him and Heldt on the court at the same time. Until I see otherwise, I just can't imagine MU being able to defend the 4 well with both of them on the court together. No quickness whatsoever from what I've seen. I hope I'm wrong.
So that leaves Theo at the "4" with Sam at the "3" and we have very little offense from either the "4" or the "5," or Sacar, Cheatham, or Cain at the "3" with Sam at the 4. I think Cain has a higher ceiling than Sacar, but is very slender and might get beat up in the BE in his first year at MU. I just haven't seen enough from Cheatham without an NBA post taking his defender away from him to think he can be an effective starter. His defense is "fine," but his offense has been largely terrible while at MU. He's not some smooth player who just hasn't put it all together, everything he does offensively is herky-jerky and just doesn't look like it naturally comes to him. We'll see how he develops. I have my doubts that he'll be more than a hustle guy off of the bench (which is totally fine, every team needs those guys, I just don't see him as a BE starting caliber player). Compare that to Sacar who, in extremely limited minutes and situations, seemed to just have a natural smoothness about him, and we've heard his shot and handling have improved by leaps and bounds and I'm hopeful (while understanding I could be totally wrong in being so) that he can be a solid wing that plays a bit like Trent Lockett. Good defender, good rebounder, hits some open shots.
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We lost Fisher, Reinhardt, JJJ and Wilson from last year's team. That was a lot of production on a 19-win team. We won 20 the year before with Ellenson and a weaker schedule. However, I have optimism for next year and here's why:
Between Fisher, Johnson and Reinhardt, that's around 34 points per game that we are losing. However, with the progression of Howard, Hauser, and Heldt, I think they collectively make that up. You still have Rowsey, and I would not be shocked if he is a little better next year too. Cheatham I think will be better next year because his role won't demand him to be an impact game changer, and he will allow the game to come to him.
The freshmen, John specifically, will absolutely add a rebounding and toughness element that we were lacking last year. I really think that Heldt has a breakout year this year. He showed flashes of being more than capable of replacing Luke last year, and I think he will enter this year with a lot of confidence. The x factor will be Froling. There just isn't enough on him at this point to accurately.
Bottom line, with a more challenging schedule, but with the progression of last year's core, I think we will be around 18/19 wins next year entering the BET.
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If we get freshman Haani this year, I could see him splitting time with Markus/Rowsey at the guard position. Creates more of an inside/outside threat. If we get sophomore Haani, then I agree with TAMU. I also think we could see John work his way into a starting role, a la Sam last year.
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Um, no. And who is this Rousey you speak of?
When I am at work I do not always review what I type.
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Haani is our x-factor this year. We need him to demonstrate that his game is - at minimum - as diverse as his freshman year, which consisted of a left-handed layup and corner 3s (though this seems to be Sam's turf now). Anything else is a bonus from Haani at this point in his career.
I fully expect a small step back, and that's ok. Asking Rowsey and Howard to do what they did last year over more minutes and more defensive attention is a lot. They need to play out of this world for us to duplicate or build upon last year. Sam's development can compensate for that too, but a lot has to break right for us to be in position for a tourney bid.
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Non-Conference
G: Markus Howard
G: Andrew Rowsey
G: Haanif Cheatham
F: Sam Hauser
C: Matt Heldt
Conference
G: Markus Howard
G: Andrew Rowsey
F: Sam Hauser
F: Theo John
C: Harry Froling
To start the year, very similar to last year. Heldt was already a spot starter while Cheatham steps into the type of role JJ and Reinhardt played. Anim and John first off the bench, with Cain, Elliott, and Eke getting spot minutes.
Once conference play rolls around, I think Theo's shot-blocking and physicality will be a better pairing for Froling. I don't expect much offense from the freshman, but everyone else in that lineup can score. Heldt, Haanif, Anim, and Cain give us a solid bench with Elliott and Eke likely getting even less than they did in non-conference. It wouldn't surprise me if one or both of Elliott and Eke considered a redshirt.
I don't think either redshirt this year. There simply isn't enough depth IMO.
I can see Eke redshirting next year. A full year of Froling, Heldt, Morrow and John will take up a great deal of playing time. Eke can then come in as a sophomore and slide into the "Heldt position," and if he's good enough, get good minutes after Froling and Morrow leave.
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I don't think either redshirt this year. There simply isn't enough depth IMO.
I can see Eke redshirting next year. A full year of Froling, Heldt, Morrow and John will take up a great deal of playing time. Eke can then come in as a sophomore and slide into the "Heldt position," and if he's good enough, get good minutes after Froling and Morrow leave.
I agree with this analysis.
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Last year MU essentially had four seniors (Wilson was here four years with his redshirt). This year MU has one and four freshman.
Last year we had two frosh step up into starting/major minute roles. That usually doesn't happen.
Froling will get major minutes and there is opportunity for the frosh to step up, but hold no expectations of that.
Unless this team learns to play some defense, MU will take step back.
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MU will take a step back this season but I think we still end up in the tournament. Keep in mind that per KenPom we were "underseeded" in the tournament last year. We finished with KP of 32 meaning we were around 8 seed worthy. I think we take a step back but end up a 10 or 11 seed.
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Last year MU essentially had four seniors (Wilson was here four years with his redshirt). This year MU has one and four freshman.
Last year we had two frosh step up into starting/major minute roles. That usually doesn't happen.
Froling will get major minutes and there is opportunity for the frosh to step up, but hold no expectations of that.
Unless this team learns to play some defense, MU will take step back.
I don't agree with that. Only one of our seniors actually played like a senior. The rest were massive head cases who would either perform or shrivel up into a ball and be useless. The last two (three? Did we have a senior last year? ) senior classes we have had were bad. Plan and simple. I didn't think I could hate anyone more then Derrick but Jujuannnnn and fisher came close at times.
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I don't agree with that. Only one of our seniors actually played like a senior. The rest were massive head cases who would either perform or shrivel up into a ball and be useless. The last two (three? Did we have a senior last year? ) senior classes we have had were bad. Plan and simple. I didn't think I could hate anyone more then Derrick but Jujuannnnn and fisher came close at times.
1) The fact that you hate any of our players is concerning
2) The fact that you put JJJ/Fischer in the same sentence as Derrick is bonkers
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1) The fact that you hate any of our players is concerning
2) The fact that you put JJJ/Fischer in the same sentence as Derrick is bonkers
At times. There was nothing more annoying then watching that guy dribble for 28 seconds with no one even attempting to guard him for 2 years. Juan Anderson comes in a close 2nd.
Followed very distantly by Jujuan. Who would make some freak athletic amazing play that belonged to the globetrotters and then instantly run back and make the dumbest mistake of his life.
The followed fairly close to Jujuan was hack attack Fischer. I still can perfectly see that foul that allowed DePaul to come to Milwaukee and win.
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At times. There was nothing more annoying then watching that guy dribble for 28 seconds with no one even attempting to guard him for 2 years. Juan Anderson comes in a close 2nd.
Followed very distantly by Jujuan. Who would make some freak athletic amazing play that belonged to the globetrotters and then instantly run back and make the dumbest mistake of his life.
The followed fairly close to Jujuan was hack attack Fischer. I still can perfectly see that foul that allowed DePaul to come to Milwaukee and win.
Fischer was immensely frustrating because he should have been so much better than he was. So from that lens, I get this - the expectation gap is different for me with Fischer than it was for someone like Derrick, who had a notably low floor. But to say he shriveled isn't fair. He did not shine as brightly as he should have, but that's different than being useless.
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I do hope that at the #4 and #5 we get some decent passing, some much improved rebounding, and some solid rim protection.
Still think we'll be able to score. We've got to defend better to be better.
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Still think we'll be able to score. We've got to defend better to be better.
Agreed. When you have shooters like Markus, Rowsey, and Hauser, we're going to hit threes and there are going to be open lanes for others to penetrate and score down low. Losing Luke, JJ, and Reinhardt could hurt the offense, but I still think we'll be able to score.
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But that lineup really doesn't make us any better than last year unless there is a huge improvement from Hani.
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We really need Cain or John to step up as freshman.
I think if Cain or John are much better than expected we can be better than last year, but in general in college I think having the same guys year to year is underrated. We want some new DWade-like savior to come in and instantly elevate, but just having young guys grow up together can be a source of improvement. Especially since Wojo seems better than the previous guy at developing guys from year to year.
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Haani is our x-factor this year. We need him to demonstrate that his game is - at minimum - as diverse as his freshman year, which consisted of a left-handed layup and corner 3s (though this seems to be Sam's turf now). Anything else is a bonus from Haani at this point in his career.
Cheatham didn't have a diverse game as a freshman. He could drive left and pull up for three. That didn't change last year, but everyone knew what was coming. As a freshman, that was enough because everyone was focused on Henry. As a sophomore, he was one of the focal points and teams realized if you guarded him to the arc and took away his left, he didn't have anything else in the arsenal.
Diversifying his game is key. He needs to be able to go right and he could really use a mid-range pull-up. But if his game goes back to what he showed his freshman year, he'll be even less effective. Everyone has already seen that and the scouting report is in.
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Playing Howard and Rowsey at the same time is not going to be sustainable for long stretches. We will get destroyed on the perimeter and they will just collect fouls. I'm really hoping that Cheatham and Sacar (maybe Cain) can be productive and solid defenders to help us there. Sam will play a lot and Heldt / Froling should be at least serviceable in the post. Theo John should be a good rebounder and defender in spurts. If we can somehow match our record from last and make the tournament that will be a huge success and credit to Wojo.
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Playing Howard and Rowsey at the same time is not going to be sustrightble for long stretches. We will get destroyed on the perimeter and they will just collect fouls. I'm really hoping that Cheatham and Sacar (maybe Cain) can be productive and solid defenders to help us there. Sam will play a lot and Heldt / Froling should be at least serviceable in the post. Theo John should be a good rebounder and defender in spurts. If we can somehow match our record from last and make the tournament that will be a huge success and credit to Wojo.
was going to post along these lines with rowsey/howard. i can see rowsey coming off the bench. capable of giving and offensive boost, as solid as anyone we have ball handling wise, mature enough to come off the bench to calm down a relatively young team, and we don't have to worry about the foul issues as much. would think they'd play together more down the stretch of games if fouls aren't an issue. obviously defensive match-ups and needed size will play a role is well.
i would expect a step-back this year...next year ncaa...following year doing some work in the ncaa.
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Dodds interviewed Haanie. HC says he's added about 5 pounds of muscle and "his confidence is at an all time high."
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Dodds interviewed Haanie. HC says he's added about 5 pounds of muscle and "his confidence is at an all time high."
...But has he grown a right hand?
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...But has he grown a right hand?
When asked about what he's working on he talked about shooting and mid range game. No mention of a right hand
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When asked about what he's working on he talked about shooting and mid range game. No mention of a right hand
Being able to pull up and make a a mid-range jumper may be more important than developing a right hand.
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any thoughts on yosemite sam at the shooting guard position? that might create a few match up issues, but otherwise...
markus
rowsey
matt
highway harry
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any thoughts on yosemite sam at the shooting guard position? that might create a few match up issues, but otherwise...
markus
rowsey
matt
highway harry
I think having Markus, Rowsey and Sam worked very well at the end of last year simply by putting so many shooters on the floor. I don't think they switch that up unless it becomes ineffective.
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I hope Markus can protect the ball better this year. My concern for the upcoming season is that we are a very young team so I promise I will not get too upset if we lose a few we should win. I can see our young rebounders getting into foul trouble.
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any thoughts on yosemite sam at the shooting guard position? that might create a few match up issues
The biggest matchup issue that would create is Sam trying to keep up with smaller, quicker twos.
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To the topic, I have to admit that I (for now) agreed with the first poster, TAMU. But Jockey had some meaningful comments. I have got to admit that I am grievously worried about Haani. He needed to do a lot of work this summer and I pray to God he has done it. I also am very suspect about expecting much from Sacar. I know a year off is big for kids of this age, and I hope it has gone well for him, but to date I haven't seen enough to expect him to make a significant difference. May he make me eat my words. I also worry about Markus and Andrew on the floor at the same time, particularly on defense in the BE. They are both diminuative, and we might need a bigger body on D. Offense/defense subs?
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Having Markus and Rowsey on the court together is what reversed our slide down the stretch last season. Having 2 of the best shooters in the entire country on the court together is the last thing I'm worried about.
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My thoughts:
Excited to see Wojo's first team of just his recruits.
Excited to see Stan's and Wojo's proclamation that this team will be vastly improved defensively.
Excited to see stability with five starters who have actually played together before.
For non-100 rated recruits who seem undervalued, excited to see how their potential unfolds. Froling was lower rated than Matty, so let's also see how that plays out. Like John defensively.
Not expecting a NCAA bid with so many inexperienced bench players.
Sacar is X factor.
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Playing Howard and Rowsey at the same time is not going to be sustrightble for long stretches. We will get destroyed on the perimeter and they will just collect fouls.
Playing Howard and Rowsey at the same time for double digit minutes is necessary. Is it "sustrightble"? No idea. But it's the appropriate path in most games.
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Playing Howard and Rowsey at the same time for double digit minutes is necessary. Is it "sustrightble"? No idea. But it's the appropriate path in most games.
No mocking sustainable. That's on the mods for banning the term "aina". Or on 4ever for overusing it. Same reason it would've been awkward had we landed Simi Shittu.
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Having Markus and Rowsey on the court together is what reversed our slide down the stretch last season. Having 2 of the best shooters in the entire country on the court together is the last thing I'm worried about.
Yeah I mean do people remember last year? Starting the two of them together was a huge boost to momentum. Did it weaken them defensively. Yeah a little. But that was more than balanced by how much it strengthened them offensively.
The difference is now they may be able to bring some defensive off the bench when they need to. Basketball lineups are all about match up and balance. And they are never set in stone.
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No mocking sustrightble. That's on the mods for banning the term "aina". Or on 4ever for overusing it. Same reason it would've been awkward had we landed Simi Shittu.
lol, didn't make that connection!! I forgive sustainable.
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lol, didn't make that connection!! I forgive sustrightble.
Has to be one of my favorite little Scoop quirks ;D
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Rowsey and Howard aren't completely incompetent on the defensive end and, and Howard especially, could improve in the off season. The bigger factor now is going to be that we'll have rim protectors that take away the need to force Wowsey and Howard to press the ball which resulted in them getting beat off the dribble or foul. I'm anticipating their foul rate goes down fairly significantly.
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I love M2N but he was pretty close to incompetent on defense. Worst ppp allowed on the team and in the 5th percentile of D1iirc. But I do agree that he can definitely improve.
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Um, no. And who is this Rousey you speak of?
I think he played with O'Tule.
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Problem with Rowsey and Howard together is the switches defensively. You can get by with one undersized guard, but two makes it difficult. I haven't seen enough good high ball screen defense from the rest of the team to feel comfortable with them together. Offensively, they will be awesome. Maybe we should screw defense and just outscore everyone. It would be a fun season at least.
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Problem with Rowsey and Howard together is the switches defensively. You can get by with one undersized guard, but two makes it difficult. I haven't seen enough good high ball screen defense from the rest of the team to feel comfortable with them together. Offensively, they will be awesome. Maybe we should screw defense and just outscore everyone. It would be a fun season at least.
My view is that isn't a commentary on them but on the bigs (okay, one big in particular) that simply couldn't execute last year on the screen roll.
I agree with eng. Our new beef inside should improve rim protection. Alter and miss the shot. We aren't winning 56-52.
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My view is that isn't a commentary on them but on the bigs (okay, one big in particular) that simply couldn't execute last year on the screen roll.
I agree with eng. Our new beef inside should improve rim protection. Alter and miss the shot. We aren't winning 56-52.
Luke hedged on 90%? of those high screens last year. I'm pretty sure that was the strategy that the coaches wanted. Our best defense in 3 years was when we played zone in Wojo's first year. I haven't seen a man to man that has worked yet...
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Luke hedged on 90%? of those high screens last year. I'm pretty sure that was the strategy that the coaches wanted. Our best defense in 3 years was when we played zone in Wojo's first year. I haven't seen a man to man that has worked yet...
It was the strategy that the coaches settled on given their personnel. Luke had a lot going for him but lateral quickness and rim protection were not his strengths. And to be fair to Luke, some of the problem was at the 4 spot, we had no secondary post player who could protect at the rim when Luke was caught out.
And if you didn't know this, Howard was 17, so he's got a lot to learn around recovery and how to play proper defense. I'm confident he will get it.
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I love M2N but he was pretty close to incompetent on defense. Worst ppp allowed on the team and in the 5th percentile of D1iirc. But I do agree that he can definitely improve.
So should we rename him M2G until he can play D.
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the rosterbation never stops
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It's really hard to say who will start beyond Rowsey and Howard. There's at least four guys who likely will have significant minutes next year and maybe more depending on how off-season work, etc, pans out.
Specifically:
1) We don't know who did what over the summer. Material improvement might change Wojo's mind dramatically.
2) We don't know the effect of the redshirt on Anim.
3) We don't know yet how our freshmen will adapt to the college game.
There's too many "we don't knows." That won't come clear until at least October and maybe not until the team is exhibited in early November.
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It's really hard to say who will start beyond Rowsey and Howard. There's at least four guys who likely will have significant minutes next year and maybe more depending on how off-season work, etc, pans out.
Specifically:
1) We don't know who did what over the summer. Material improvement might change Wojo's mind dramatically.
2) We don't know the effect of the redshirt on Anim.
3) We don't know yet how our freshmen will adapt to the college game.
There's too many "we don't knows." That won't come clear until at least October and maybe not until the team is exhibited in early November.
I agree with this analysis.
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It's really hard to say who will start beyond Rowsey and Howard. There's at least four guys who likely will have significant minutes next year and maybe more depending on how off-season work, etc, pans out.
Specifically:
1) We don't know who did what over the summer. Material improvement might change Wojo's mind dramatically.
2) We don't know the effect of the redshirt on Anim.
3) We don't know yet how our freshmen will adapt to the college game.
There's too many "we don't knows." That won't come clear until at least October and maybe not until the team is exhibited in early November.
Hauser will be starting. Sam, Markus, Rowsey for sure.
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I agree with this analysis.
As much as I like the pigmy guards together, it is hard to improve defensively with those 2 in at the same time. I do see both playing 25-30 minutes, but why not
go a little bigger. How about Howard, Cheatham, Anim, Hauser and Heldt. Or instead of Anim or Cheatham, how about Cain? Or Elliot if he can D it up. Options
are there, but 2018 with the experience this team gets this year plus adding height with Joey and Ed, it will be interesting. Did not mention Bailey, as I am still not
sold he will show up and if he does, when will he start practicing with the team. If he has all summer, then I expect him to get some playing time as well.
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You guys do realize this isn't like soccer right? There are unlimited substitutions and players can come in and out of the game at any time. Worrying about how a certain line up performs defensively against a theoretical team is strange, because Wojo can adjust at any time.
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You guys do realize this isn't like soccer right? There are unlimited substitutions and players can come in and out of the game at any time. Worrying about how a certain line up performs defensively against a theoretical team is strange, because Wojo can adjust at any time.
Yep, the best thing going this year is that there starting the year with 10 players, they all will get a chance. Froling may or may not add anything, but again I see the
following year with 13 players being a little different. Wojo is not playing 13, that is for sure.
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Problem with Rowsey and Howard together is the switches defensively. You can get by with one undersized guard, but two makes it difficult. I haven't seen enough good high ball screen defense from the rest of the team to feel comfortable with them together. Offensively, they will be awesome. Maybe we should screw defense and just outscore everyone. It would be a fun season at least.
last i checked, outscoring the other team was one of the keys to winning the game...
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I'd rather see some 2nd unit scoring so that means either Froling or Rowsey or (my preference) both off the bench.
PG howard
2 Sacar
3 Sam
4 revolving frosh
5 Heldt
My reaction was; "This guy can't have been a college basketball fan very long." Sacar? Revolving frosh at the 4? (Different) revolving frosh at the 3 is slightly more likely.
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I have said this before, but I would not be surprised at a small step back next year. Unless a couple people play better than I think they will.
And while I think 2018-19 will be very good with Morrow's eligibility and Joey joining, 2019-20 could really be incredible if everyone sticks around.
I think that improvement by the two rising sophomore starters ("the best thing about freshmen") and the added depth and physicality in the paint will forestall any steps back.
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When I am at work I do not always review what I type.
Has your boss talked to you about this?
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Non- Conference season
PG: Andrew Rowsey
SG: Markus Howard
SF: Jamal Cain
PF: Sam Hauser
C: Matt Heldt
Big East Season
PG: Markus Howard
SG: Jamal Cain
SF: Sam Hauser
PF: Theo John
C: Harry Froling
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I would be very impressed if two freshmen from outside the top 100 outplay the reigning Big East 6th Man of the Year for a starting spot. I hope it happens.
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Non- Conference season
PG: Andrew Rowsey
SG: Markus Howard
SF: Jamal Cain
PF: Sam Hauser
C: Matt Heldt
Big East Season
PG: Markus Howard
SG: Jamal Cain
SF: Sam Hauser
PF: Theo John
C: Harry Froling
No faith in Hanif? From some of his tweets looks like he has been working hard over the summer.
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Not giving up on my boy Haanif. I'd like to see that starting line up in the big east season. That looks scary if you're another team. Can shoot, hopefully theo and harry can rebound and play good d, and that is a big line up.
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last i checked, outscoring the other team was one of the keys to winning the game...
Check out the defensive efficiency of championship teams. Need to be competent on D to be considered elite.
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Check out the defensive efficiency of championship teams. Need to be competent on D to be considered elite.
Just look at Final Four teams over the past decade+. Though if we're looking for a model, the worst defensive efficiency ranking of any Final Four team in the Pomeroy era was Marquette in 2003. But agreed that defense is the more important factor because it's easier for it to be consistent. It's not uncommon to see great offensive teams go through cold spells (see us v South Carolina) but seems less common for great defensive teams to suddenly open the flood gates.
I do think Howard and Rowsey will play their fair share together, but it's definitely a defensive risk. I'd love to see a minute breakdown that has both of them in the mid-20s and one of them out there at all times. If you end up with 10 minutes or so of overlap, that's fine, but I think we could have problems if they are both 30+ mpg players. I think using some zone with the two of them could also help mitigate our defensive issues, especially if we are able to put a rim protector behind them.
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Advanced stats wise I believe Rowsey was our 3rd best defender IIRC (behind Sammysplash and Katin). If its defense you are worried about, Howard is the biggest concern. Worst defender on the team last season. I'm looking forward to seeing him improve this season.
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HOOO BOY:
Jamal Cain!
https://twitter.com/mubbnation/status/903678028601024513
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HOOO BOY:
Jamal Cain!
https://twitter.com/mubbnation/status/903678028601024513
Jamal is the definition of a pogo stick.
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Jamal is the definition of a pogo stick.
Set for good neck development
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Bin chuggin' da ice water, hey?
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https://twitter.com/GoodsOnSports/status/906233915043704832
Todd Smith earning that paycheck!
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Wow. Good work, Harry. Good work, Todd.