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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mileskishnish72 on July 25, 2017, 04:12:39 PM
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Quote from Big Daddy: "Theo is a bad man on the court." And none other than JFB agrees.
Makes me think I'm going to like Theo a lot. We could stand a little badassedness.
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Quote from Big Daddy: "Theo is a bad man on the court." And none other than JFB agrees.
Makes me think I'm going to like Theo a lot. We could stand a little badassedness.
I sincerely hope this is correct. I really do
But, I've been here 10 years and heard similar things about Erik Williams (NBA body, will he leave early for the draft?... I kid you not!). Jamil Wilson can play all five positions. Liam McMorrow is a stud. Mbao is similar to Hasheem Thabeet and on and on.
Meanwhile, the summer before their freshman year we heard little about Butler, Sam Hauser and no one was thinking big things from Markus Howard.
So yes, I want to believe this is true. But, I'm not holding my breath.
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I sincerely hope this is correct. I really do
But, I've been here 10 years and heard similar things about Erik Williams (NBA body, will he leave early for the draft?... I kid you not!). Jamil Wilson can play all five positions. Liam McMorrow is a stud. Mbao is similar to Hasheem Thabeet and on and on.
Meanwhile, the summer before their freshman year we heard little about Butler, Sam Hauser and no one was thinking big things from Markus Howard.
So yes, I want to believe this is true. But, I'm not holding my breath.
No one was thinking big things about Markus?
Are you too busy finding sh*t to post on the Superbar that you don't read this here board?
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I sincerely hope this is correct. I really do
But, I've been here 10 years and heard similar things about Erik Williams (NBA body, will he leave early for the draft?... I kid you not!). Jamil Wilson can play all five positions. Liam McMorrow is a stud. Mbao is similar to Hasheem Thabeet and on and on.
Meanwhile, the summer before their freshman year we heard little about Butler, Sam Hauser and no one was thinking big things from Markus Howard.
So yes, I want to believe this is true. But, I'm not holding my breath.
As far as Butler, we didn't hear anything about his freshman year because he was at Tyler Junior College.
As far as Markus, Jay Bee posted this in April of 2016:
In all seriousness, Markus could have an enormous impact. His profile doesn't suggest there's a strong likelihood of him having a "normal freshman" year. He's legit.
I don't mean this in the wrong way, but when you look at Henry's usage of 26%.. Markus can be there. When you look at Henry's ORtg of 103, Markus has the *ability* to obliterate it. Such an important addition to the program.
More than anything from returns like JjJ, Duane, Haanif, etc.. I want to see consistency. High-level, strong play, yes. But consistency. JjJ displayed it late in the year. Need to see it from the others (and him again).
But, Markus.. wooooweeeee...
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No one was thinking big things about Markus?
Are you too busy finding sh*t to post on the Superbar that you don't read this here board?
Last July we were thinking he was one of the best point guards in the country his freshman year.
Yeah, I missed those threads.
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As far as Butler, we didn't hear anything about his freshman year because he was at Tyler Junior College.
As far as Markus, Jay Bee posted this in April of 2016:
Don't remember Jay Bee's post. Great call. Should be the post of 2016!
Brew, you appear to be defending all the predictions about MU players here in the middle of the summer. That is what I'm talking about. I really want the Theo comments to be true, but I'm not holding my breath. History around here suggests I should hold my breath.
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As far as Butler, we didn't hear anything about his freshman year because he was at Tyler Junior College.
The summer before Butler's first year at MU, we were gushing about Joe Fulce and hoped Butler (the "other guy" that committed with Fulce) would be an able practice body.
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Nothing against JB, but Markus was a top 35 recruit in his original class, played for team USA, and put up outrageous numbers at Findlay Prep. I think it was pretty obvious to most people he was going to be a high impact player from the get-go.
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The summer before Butler's first year at MU, we were gushing about Joe Fulce and hoped Butler (the "other guy" that committed with Fulce) would be an able practice body.
In our defense, JFB did turn out to be very capable in practice.
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I sincerely hope this is correct. I really do
But, I've been here 10 years and heard similar things about Erik Williams (NBA body, will he leave early for the draft?... I kid you not!). Jamil Wilson can play all five positions. Liam McMorrow is a stud. Mbao is similar to Hasheem Thabeet and on and on.
Meanwhile, the summer before their freshman year we heard little about Butler, Sam Hauser and no one was thinking big things from Markus Howard.
So yes, I want to believe this is true. But, I'm not holding my breath.
Erik Williams and Mbao....legit. Those predictions didn't come true. Though as Wades brought up the other day, Thon Maker might secretly be Yous Mbao.
But I'm pretty sure Jamil Wilson did play all 5 positions at one point or another during his career here. Liam McMorrow gets an asterisk since he had a heart condition.
You must not have been paying attention because expectations were sky high for Markus. The #markus2NBA meme was born before he ever step foot on campus. You're right about Sam and Butler, very muted expectations there.
Nitpicking aside, you are correct. Predictions on this site run the gambit from outrageous to dead on. I will say the fact that this particular comment gives more hope than others because it came from an NBA All Star. I trust Jimmy's sense of who a "bad man on the court" is more than I do us dweebs on the internet.
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The summer before Butler's first year at MU, we were gushing about Joe Fulce and hoped Butler (the "other guy" that committed with Fulce) would be an able practice body.
To be fair to Fulce, we'll never know what he could've been if he hadn't destroyed his knees.
As far as defending the predictions, what predictions? I'm hoping John can add some defense but expect Heldt and Froling to be our main bigs. I expect very little out of Elliott and Eke. Cain, any contribution would be nice, but Cheatham, Hauser, and Anim will take most of those minutes.
Now next year I expect Joey to hit the ground running, but I expect more from returning players this year than freshmen.
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I don't believe anything on Scoop after that one guy predicted the demise of the stock market and said don't buy Apple.
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Don't remember Jay Bee's post. Great call. Should be the post of 2016!
Brew, you appear to be defending all the predictions about MU players here in the middle of the summer. That is what I'm talking about. I really want the Theo comments to be true, but I'm not holding my breath. History around here suggests I should hold my breath.
nearly every player is supposed to be a stud. pointing out those that didn't meet expectations and saying it could be happen to theo is no different than pointing to those that did go on to have big time careers...and stating that could happen to theo. odds say he won't be the next JFB, but i don't think anyone is saying that. if JFB sees toughness in theo...i'm glad to hear it. that's all.
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I don't believe anything on Scoop after that one guy predicted the demise of the stock market and said don't buy Apple.
in fairness...i heard he bought mcdonalds...
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Nothing against JB, but Markus was a top 35 recruit in his original class, played for team USA, and put up outrageous numbers at Findlay Prep. I think it was pretty obvious to most people he was going to be a high impact player from the get-go.
He was #71 in the 2016 RSCI, small, reclassified after 3 years of HS, ZERO of his Team USA 17U teammates played college basketball last season, didn't put up "outrageous numbers" at Findlay, SI/Luke Winn's Marquette player projections didn't even acknowledge him.
You're re-writing history and it's a lie!
Nonetheless, when people comment that Theo is a bad man, they're likely referring to what's been explained long ago -- physically he's a specimen who gives MU an inside physical preference that has been missing for a long time, NOT that he will put up insane numbers and earn awards for being the best in the NCAA in a statistical category.
Be patient. Appreciate that he is a bad, nasty man... enjoy the physicality, toughness, rebounding, blocks/alters and occasionally jams off put backs & dump offs.
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Agreed. Theo John's contribution is going to be as a physical presence. No idea what his numbers will be. He may not make an actual offensive move this season, scoring only off of dump offs and put backs. And if he is a physical presence defensively and on the boards, I am OK with that.
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Agreed. Theo John's contribution is going to be as a physical presence. No idea what his numbers will be. He may not make an actual offensive move this season, scoring only off of dump offs and put backs. And if he is a physical presence defensively and on the boards, I am OK with that.
He may hit a hook shot and/or 14 foot baseline jumper in a game early on in the season and people will flip out.... proclaiming he's way better than Luke offensively :/
Heck, last season several games in there was a healthy contingent of folks who believed Traci needed many more minutes and strongly preferred him to Markus. That's the true history.
Eventually, the truth shall be revealed to those who don't want to accept it today.
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I don't think we are disagreeing.
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I don't think we are disagreeing.
No, no definitely not you & I. Just saying fans will likely react that way at some point early in the year. I think your perspective makes complete & rationale sense.
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Anyone have a clip of Theo destroying Tre Jones' layup in the Minnesota championship game? That's when I knew he was a bad man.
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Not Tre, but...
https://twitter.com/jbbauer612/status/845823775220416513
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Not Tre, but...
https://twitter.com/jbbauer612/status/845823775220416513
Thanks. I wish I could find the one of him demolishing Tre. Thought I had posted it to my twitter but can't find it. It was a man size block.
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I have long been in the pro Theo Camp. The kid has an incredible work ethic. Looking for a very productive career at MU for him.
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I have long been in the pro Theo Camp. The kid has an incredible work ethic. Looking for a very productive career at MU for him.
Yeah man, I think he'll be very solid. Here's hoping he's a rebounding machine this year and one of the first 2 or 3 off the bench.
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Not Tre, but...
https://twitter.com/jbbauer612/status/845823775220416513
First thing noticed in this clip is he kept the ball in play after the block instead of swatting it out of bounds.
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First thing noticed in this clip is he kept the ball in play after the block instead of swatting it out of bounds.
In some interview with Jimmy Mac he noted that players never do that anymore opting for highlight reel blocks instead.
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Again, we talked about a step back maybe. But if Theo can do some of that our rim protection will take a major leap forward. On offense, I'll be keenly interested to see who can move his feet and also move the ball effectively in the post. We know we can space the floor. If we can go out, in, out, swish.....
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Met Ed yesterday for the first time, very polite, actually soft spoken. He Sacar are hanging together. Joey was in town on Monday for a few hours. The team was all psyched. There is no doubt who the "captain" is this year. It is Andrew, he is a great young man and he is taken the leadership role to heart.
To clarify on Theo, I am not predicting he is going to be an AA or POY, but with him (and ultimately EM too) we are not going to see teams coming down the lane and not meeting resistance. Also we are not going to see opponents getting 2-3 offensive rebounds in a single possession.
Wojo and his staff have put a BE roster together. He had a plan/vision and now we are seeing it. But we should be most proud of is that the character of team. He is teaching them to be good men, good fathers, etc. When you talk to them they stand at parade rest mode, look you in the eye, are in the moment with you. They are just regular guys that want to work hard towards a collective goal. No attitude that somehow they are better than anyone else or deserve special treatment.
I love this group of players, I think they will have success on the court, but regardless I will be rooting for them with all my heart.
Finally on a down note, they team, especially Andrew and Markus are so sad that Travis is leaving. They had formed a very close relationship. I expect Travis will return some day to the program.
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Thanks BD. I'm sure the guys will miss Travis. But I agree with you that he'll be back. Just wanted one more opportunity to ball a little. And on the plus side, his connections will make it easier for a bunch of guys to make some decent coin if the NBA never calls. Do you know if his family is staying behind here? I could find out but if you know off the top of your head.
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He Sacar are hanging together
At least someone found Sacar.
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I don't mean this in a bad way, but your discription of Wojo's team character reminds me of Bumstead's character revealed stuff, ai na?
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He was #71 in the 2016 RSCI, small, reclassified after 3 years of HS, ZERO of his Team USA 17U teammates played college basketball last season, didn't put up "outrageous numbers" at Findlay, SI/Luke Winn's Marquette player projections didn't even acknowledge him.
You're re-writing history and it's a lie!
Nonetheless, when people comment that Theo is a bad man, they're likely referring to what's been explained long ago -- physically he's a specimen who gives MU an inside physical preference that has been missing for a long time, NOT that he will put up insane numbers and earn awards for being the best in the NCAA in a statistical category.
Be patient. Appreciate that he is a bad, nasty man... enjoy the physicality, toughness, rebounding, blocks/alters and occasionally jams off put backs & dump offs.
So Luke, Henry, Outle, and even Jamil don't count on this score? Or they all played a "long time" ago.
I thought MU had no problem finding big bodies to eat space in the middle of the floor. The problem is they don't do much more than that.
Basketball is now a world of 3 or 4 guys standing behind the arc and launching. See one of the best 3-point shooting teams in the NCAA (MU). A giant monster in the middle that cannot create a shot or make a move to the hole is of diminished value.
(Again, I'm a fan, and I want John to be everything everyone hopes, just asking the question).
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I don't mean this in a bad way, but your discription of Wojo's team character reminds me of Bumstead's character revealed stuff, ai na?
Some one slip some Wheaties in with your Corn Flakes?
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Appropriate to use real English when it's a serious topic, I'm pissed off, or just feel like it, hey?
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He was #71 in the 2016 RSCI, small, reclassified after 3 years of HS, ZERO of his Team USA 17U teammates played college basketball last season, didn't put up "outrageous numbers" at Findlay, SI/Luke Winn's Marquette player projections didn't even acknowledge him.
You're re-writing history and it's a lie!
Nonetheless, when people comment that Theo is a bad man, they're likely referring to what's been explained long ago -- physically he's a specimen who gives MU an inside physical preference that has been missing for a long time, NOT that he will put up insane numbers and earn awards for being the best in the NCAA in a statistical category.
Be patient. Appreciate that he is a bad, nasty man... enjoy the physicality, toughness, rebounding, blocks/alters and occasionally jams off put backs & dump offs.
Exactly. JB, you've seen him play a ton. Can he do that well enough from day one to give us a solid 15 minutes as a Frosh? Because in conference I'd really like to be able to get Sammy some real time at the #3.
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Met Ed yesterday for the first time, very polite, actually soft spoken. He Sacar are hanging together.
Wonder if Sacar intentionally sought him out since he just got over sitting out a year without playing.
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So Luke, Henry, Outle, and even Jamil don't count on this score? Or they all played a "long time" ago.
I thought MU had no problem finding big bodies to eat space in the middle of the floor. The problem is they don't do much more than that.
Basketball is now a world of 3 or 4 guys standing behind the arc and launching. See one of the best 3-point shooting teams in the NCAA (MU). A giant monster in the middle that cannot create a shot or make a move to the hole is of diminished value.
(Again, I'm a fan, and I want John to be everything everyone hopes, just asking the question).
The thing is, Luke and Henry are not physical big men by any means. Otule was Otule. Not a force by any stretch of the imagination. Jamil was our 4 because he was one of the taller players on the team at that time. Also not a physical player. I'd say 3-point shooting is more crucial in the NBA currently. It's transitioning to college, but teams need skilled, physical big men. MU of all teams should know it all too well.
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He was #71 in the 2016 RSCI, small, reclassified after 3 years of HS, ZERO of his Team USA 17U teammates played college basketball last season, didn't put up "outrageous numbers" at Findlay, SI/Luke Winn's Marquette player projections didn't even acknowledge him.
You're re-writing history and it's a lie!
Nonetheless, when people comment that Theo is a bad man, they're likely referring to what's been explained long ago -- physically he's a specimen who gives MU an inside physical preference that has been missing for a long time, NOT that he will put up insane numbers and earn awards for being the best in the NCAA in a statistical category.
Be patient. Appreciate that he is a bad, nasty man... enjoy the physicality, toughness, rebounding, blocks/alters and occasionally jams off put backs & dump offs.
It's not re-writing history to say that almost everyone tuned into the program thought a highly sought after team USA player was going to be huge for our team.
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Big Daddy did not believe in Jimmy Butler as a player his first year at Marquette....stated as such on this site; he wont deny. Not sure he has an eye for talent but hope he is right this time, and think he is right ;)
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Appropriate to use real English when it's a serious topic, I'm pissed off, or just feel like it, hey?
Gud 2 here, kin. Taut u vent uff da vagen, ai-na?
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Met Ed yesterday for the first time, very polite, actually soft spoken. He Sacar are hanging together. Joey was in town on Monday for a few hours. The team was all psyched. There is no doubt who the "captain" is this year. It is Andrew, he is a great young man and he is taken the leadership role to heart.
To clarify on Theo, I am not predicting he is going to be an AA or POY, but with him (and ultimately EM too) we are not going to see teams coming down the lane and not meeting resistance. Also we are not going to see opponents getting 2-3 offensive rebounds in a single possession.
Wojo and his staff have put a BE roster together. He had a plan/vision and now we are seeing it. But we should be most proud of is that the character of team. He is teaching them to be good men, good fathers, etc. When you talk to them they stand at parade rest mode, look you in the eye, are in the moment with you. They are just regular guys that want to work hard towards a collective goal. No attitude that somehow they are better than anyone else or deserve special treatment.
I love this group of players, I think they will have success on the court, but regardless I will be rooting for them with all my heart.
Finally on a down note, they team, especially Andrew and Markus are so sad that Travis is leaving. They had formed a very close relationship. I expect Travis will return some day to the program.
Is it November yet!?!?!
Man summer goes slow when your baseball team sucks nuts.
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It's not re-writing history to say that almost everyone tuned into the program thought a highly sought after team USA player was going to be huge for our team.
Yes it is. Who said this? Where is it? You can find me saying it... after that....?
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Big Daddy did not believe in Jimmy Butler as a player his first year at Marquette....stated as such on this site; he wont deny. Not sure he has an eye for talent but hope he is right this time, and think he is right ;)
KC you are 100% right and JFB never lets me forget this.
Other big mistakes (not necessarily in order):
1) BETA vs VHS
2) Calling 7-8 UW football players a bunch of punks, when I was 23 and was alone. I did take my beating like a man. It was the summer of 85 and they were acting like punks and it was after the NFL draft and the badgers had lost a low level bowl game the year before but had ~10 players drafted, 3 in the first round and 2 in the top 10. So i asked with with all that talent why they did not do better, was it the coaching or did they rest of the team suck. I earned my beating.
3) Low fat frozen yogurt is low in calories
4) That Al would appreciate me knocking on his hotel door at 2 AM in the four season in Ames for the BIG 10 vs ACC challenge. Defense: I still drank back then.
5) Drinking old Milwaukee light. Directly related to #2 and #4.
6) Waiting way to long to marry the love of my life.
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Yes it is. Who said this? Where is it? You can find me saying it... after that....?
This guy.
How many sub 5'10" types do we need? None. How many do we want? If they're as good as Rowsey and Howard, I'll take like 5 of them on my team.
I'm sure I had many more posts that went into my excitement for Howard, but don't feel like searching through more of my post history than right around his commitment date.
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KC you are 100% right and JFB never lets me forget this.
Other big mistakes (not necessarily in order):
1) BETA vs VHS
2) Calling 7-8 UW football players a bunch of punks, when I was 23 and was alone. I did take my beating like a man. It was the summer of 85 and they were acting like punks and it was after the NFL draft and the badgers had lost a low level bowl game the year before but had ~10 players drafted, 3 in the first round and 2 in the top 10. So i asked with with all that talent why they did not do better, was it the coaching or did they rest of the team suck. I earned my beating.
3) Low fat frozen yogurt is low in calories
4) That Al would appreciate me knocking on his hotel door at 2 AM in the four season in Ames for the BIG 10 vs ACC challenge. Defense: I still drank back then.
5) Drinking old Milwaukee light. Directly related to #2 and #4.
6) Waiting way to long to marry the love of my life.
This may be one of the best posts... ever.
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So Pops, yer 55yo, and Ames has a Four Seasons, hey?
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Fondness for Old Milwaukee light? That could lead one to suspect your entire judgmental system.
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Old Milwaukee Light is what gets collected in the gutters on Wells street after an evening shower. Never tasted it but my guess is that it is step up in taste from the can.
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Met Ed yesterday for the first time, very polite, actually soft spoken. He Sacar are hanging together. Joey was in town on Monday for a few hours. The team was all psyched. There is no doubt who the "captain" is this year. It is Andrew, he is a great young man and he is taken the leadership role to heart.
To clarify on Theo, I am not predicting he is going to be an AA or POY, but with him (and ultimately EM too) we are not going to see teams coming down the lane and not meeting resistance. Also we are not going to see opponents getting 2-3 offensive rebounds in a single possession.
Wojo and his staff have put a BE roster together. He had a plan/vision and now we are seeing it. But we should be most proud of is that the character of team. He is teaching them to be good men, good fathers, etc. When you talk to them they stand at parade rest mode, look you in the eye, are in the moment with you. They are just regular guys that want to work hard towards a collective goal. No attitude that somehow they are better than anyone else or deserve special treatment.
I love this group of players, I think they will have success on the court, but regardless I will be rooting for them with all my heart.
Finally on a down note, they team, especially Andrew and Markus are so sad that Travis is leaving. They had formed a very close relationship. I expect Travis will return some day to the program.
In Big Daddy I trust. Toast of a Guinnes in St. Kitts to u!
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In Big Daddy I trust. Toast of a Guinnes in St. Kitts to u!
Shouldn't guys like you go to Canada for vacation?
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Im hoping for a Ryan Spangler type career out of Theo.
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Shouldn't guys like you go to Canada for vacation?
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No but go to MKE for NMD, hey?
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Yes it is. Who said this? Where is it? You can find me saying it... after that....?
Well, there was me.
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No but go to MKE for NMD, hey?
Newsie is the Babe Winkleman of PR. He'd be awesome with a muskie rod in his hand on Lac Seul.
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Well, there was me.
I'm sorry, there is only room for 1 person to have predicted that.