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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Marquette4life on July 24, 2017, 10:24:28 AM
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How many are available for the 2018 season
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Zero, still worth recruiting grimes
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Zero, still worth recruiting grimes
Why would we get grimes if we don't have any scholies. No way he would go to MU
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a lot can happen in 12 months
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Why would we get grimes if we don't have any scholies. No way he would go to MU
Believe me, if Grimes wants to come to MU a scholarship will be made available.
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Why would we get grimes if we don't have any scholies. No way he would go to MU
Because statistically speaking someone is going to transfer allowing for an opening and a talent like him is worth going after simply because he shows interest. You just don't say no to players of his caliber
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How many are available for the 2018 season
We 13 available scholarships for 2018-19
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Could be wrong but my guess is that Grimes will be waiting until Spring to make a verbal commitment. I expect that Wojo and Co will keep in pretty close but probably more quiet contact throughout his senior year and if someone does indeed transfer, go pro, or decommit, he will be offered a scholarship on the spot.
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Buzz: "Never stop recruiting."
Somewhere around 40% of college basketball players transfer. For the sake of argument, at Marquette, when is the last season that no one left the team for reasons other than graduation?
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Could be wrong but my guess is that Grimes will be waiting until Spring to make a verbal commitment. I expect that Wojo and Co will keep in pretty close but probably more quiet contact throughout his senior year and if someone does indeed transfer, go pro, or decommit, he will be offered a scholarship on the spot.
I doubt it'll even be quiet contact, and if he wants to commit now I'd be shocked if we didn't take him.
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Could always give someone da "Wojo heave ho," ai na?
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Could always give someone da "Wojo heave ho," ai na?
The accepted nomenclature is "Poleaxed"
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Are we really even in on Grimes. Hard to think we can beat Kansas, Kentucky and/or Texas for him and we don't have a schollie.
How are the PG's looking in 2019?
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How are the PG's looking in 2019?
Top option seems to be Rocket Watts. Top 75 per 247composite and plays AAU with The Family. Same team as the Motown Trio (Cain, Eke, and Elliott).
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Believe me, if Grimes wants to come to MU a scholarship will be made available.
Amen. And with Joey's commit, maybe Grimes has another reason to consider MU. If we are Lucky to get him, I think one of the 4 freshmen gets a colored shirt their 2nd year.
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Every kid wants to play, and inevitably someone who thought he deserved more playing time will transfer. Maybe the kid wasn't as good as advertised...maybe he didn't improve as much as the players around him...maybe injuries slowed his progress so others passed him by...maybe he just didn't buy into the system. Whatever the causes, it happens all the time at the high-major level.
If a 5-star PG wants to come to MU, there will be room...and it doesn't necessarily mean Wojo will have to "cut" anyone.
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Amen. And with Joey's commit, maybe Grimes has another reason to consider MU. If we are Lucky to get him, I think one of the 4 freshmen gets a colored shirt their 2nd year.
Might get a sophomore year redshirt, but someone would have to get a pink slip to have room for Grimes. A transfer or two is never a surprise in this day and age, but I think it's more likely a scholarship for Grimes would come from someone who plays this year, but maybe not as much as they hope.
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Amen. And with Joey's commit, maybe Grimes has another reason to consider MU. If we are Lucky to get him, I think one of the 4 freshmen gets a colored shirt their 2nd year.
sorry for the stupid question, but if someone red-shirts does that open up the scholarship?
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sorry for the stupid question, but if someone red-shirts does that open up the scholarship?
No.
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sorry for the stupid question, but if someone red-shirts does that open up the scholarship?
Redshirts only benefits the individual's scholarship maximum (i.e. extra year of eligibility = extra year of scholarship), not the school's maximum.
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Top option seems to be Rocket Watts. Top 75 per 247composite and plays AAU with The Family. Same team as the Motown Trio (Cain, Eke, and Elliott).
This is another 1 to keep an eye on
http://247sports.com/Player/DeVion-Harmon-86619
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Might get a sophomore year redshirt, but someone would have to get a pink slip to have room for Grimes. A transfer or two is never a surprise in this day and age, but I think it's more likely a scholarship for Grimes would come from someone who plays this year, but maybe not as much as they hope.
Thank You.
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Are we really even in on Grimes. Hard to think we can beat Kansas, Kentucky and/or Texas for him and we don't have a schollie.
How are the PG's looking in 2019?
M2NBA, ai-na?
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Amen. And with Joey's commit, maybe Grimes has another reason to consider MU. If we are Lucky to get him, I think one of the 4 freshmen gets a colored shirt their 2nd year.
That wouldn't free a scholarship if that is what you're implying
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Why would we get grimes if we don't have any scholies. No way he would go to MU
It wouldn't be the first time marquette has cut someone.
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That wouldn't free a scholarship if that is what you're implying
Thanks
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It's very simple. We have one player ending eligibility (Rowsey) and one scholarship carried over from this year since we only have 12 under scholarship in 2017-18. Therefore two new are available for next year. Joey and Bailey are supposed to take those scholarships.
The only way that additional scholarships can be freed up is if someone currently under scholarship transfers, or if an incoming recruit doesn't show up.
I put the chances at about 75% that a scholarship will become available. Not because I know anything, but because of history.
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It's very simple. We have one player ending eligibility (Rowsey) and one scholarship carried over from this year since we only have 12 under scholarship in 2017-18. Therefore two new are available for next year. Joey and Bailey are supposed to take those scholarships.
The only way that additional scholarships can be freed up is if someone currently under scholarship transfers, or if an incoming recruit doesn't show up.
I put the chances at about 75% that a scholarship will become available. Not because I know anything, but because of history.
Exactly. And speculating on who that may be is a useless exercise 8-10 months in advance. All these guys think they deserve big minutes on high major programs. If they didn't, they wouldn't be at MU and they wouldn't be as good as they are.
Minutes have to around to 11 guys this year. Chances are at least 1 dude thinks he should be playing more, and will transfer, giving us an opening. Its the way of college hoops these days. Now, lets let the next season play out before we worry about that.
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Exactly. And speculating on who that may be is a useless exercise 8-10 months in advance. All these guys think they deserve big minutes on high major programs. If they didn't, they wouldn't be at MU and they wouldn't be as good as they are.
Minutes have to around to 11 guys this year. Chances are at least 1 dude thinks he should be playing more, and will transfer, giving us an opening. Its the way of college hoops these days. Now, lets let the next season play out before we worry about that.
Exactly. Wisconsin had one available in 2015 but wanted a PG. So they ignored Sam Hauser. At semester Riley Dearring left. And now the rest is history.
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Even 4-5 months could be the timeframe. Marquette announced that Sandy Cohen asked to be released from his scholarship on November 20th.
Personally, I like our roster and would hate to see anyone go. But it could be that one of our 2017 recruits (Jamal, Theo, Greg or Ike) isn't happy with the playing time he gets. Or a family situation comes up for someone. You never know. Most of all, Wojo and his staff are always looking for talent that can make the team better.
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Wojo has said he wants to make MU into a year to year contending program and the way of doing it is to improve year after year. Not being complacent with what he has.
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I put the chances at about 75% that a scholarship will become available. Not because I know anything, but because of history.
If Q Grimes wants to come to MU, I put the chances of a scholarship becoming available at 100%.
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I'm on a cruise visiting my neighbors. I'm St. Lucia today if I stop making sense too many Guinness Stout, in my book not a bad thing, hey?
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It's very simple. We have one player ending eligibility (Rowsey) and one scholarship carried over from this year since we only have 12 under scholarship in 2017-18. Therefore two new are available for next year. Joey and Bailey are supposed to take those scholarships.
The only way that additional scholarships can be freed up is if someone currently under scholarship transfers, or if an incoming recruit doesn't show up.
I put the chances at about 75% that a scholarship will become available. Not because I know anything, but because of history.
The only ones I feel certain will be here fore 2018-19 are Markus, Sam and Joey...Sacar and Froling are also fairly certain as they have both taken a redshirt or transferred (slim chance Froling goes back to australia for pro-ball).
The rest are almost completely unknowns and lots of things can happen. Keep recruiting.
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If Q Grimes wants to come to MU, I put the chances of a scholarship becoming available at 100%.
I agree with this analysis
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I'm on a cruise visiting my neighbors. I'm St. Lucia today if I stop making sense too many Guinness Stout, in my book not a bad thing, hey?
St. Lucia is quite possibly my least favorite Caribbean Island, but I hope you have a good time! And why aren't you drinking Carib?
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St. Lucia is quite possibly my least favorite Caribbean Island, but I hope you have a good time! And why aren't you drinking Carib?
Just so you know newsy, chick loves PR.
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Just so you know newsy, chick loves PR.
Except, what's the deal with all the freakin' cats everywhere?
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There will be an open scholly next year because Bailey will never set foot on campus.
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There will be an open scholly next year because Bailey will never set foot on campus.
Your basis? Gut? Evidence?
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Your basis? Gut? Evidence?
Gut, understanding human nature, and that a lot can happen in two years in college hoops.
Two years since recruited and currently in a personally transforming experience.
The team will have needs other than his position and a player that fills those needs may be available.
While more physically mature as a result, his focus hasn't been on basketball.
Look at the schollie table and who will be on the team when Bailey is scheduled to show up.
I don't see Heldt and Cheatham leaving for their senior year.
This year's sophomores are not going to transfer after this season.
Morrow and Froling--Transferred in
Anim--already redshirted, loses eligibility if leaves
Hauser -- Joey showing up
Howard -- Wojo has bigger problems if this happens.
That leaves one of the four from Eke, John, Cain and Elliott to transfer out. Reasonable chance of that, but that chance is just as reasonable as Bailey wanting out or Wojo finding a different player.
When does Phillip Flory show up on campus?
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Not the same thing. Bailey signed an LOI and also has a dad who is a former NBA star, as well as an inspirational speaker who preaches the necessity of honoring your commitments. I think it would take a lot for Bailey to alter his course.
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Not the same thing. Bailey signed an LOI and also has a dad who is a former NBA star, as well as an inspirational speaker who preaches the necessity of honoring your commitments. I think it would take a lot for Bailey to alter his course.
The only potential issue could be if Stan leaves for another gig.
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Gut, understanding human nature, and that a lot can happen in two years in college hoops.
Two years since recruited and currently in a personally transforming experience.
The team will have needs other than his position and a player that fills those needs may be available.
While more physically mature as a result, his focus hasn't been on basketball.
Look at the schollie table and who will be on the team when Bailey is scheduled to show up.
I don't see Heldt and Cheatham leaving for their senior year.
This year's sophomores are not going to transfer after this season.
Morrow and Froling--Transferred in
Anim--already redshirted, loses eligibility if leaves
Hauser -- Joey showing up
Howard -- Wojo has bigger problems if this happens.
That leaves one of the four from Eke, John, Cain and Elliott to transfer out. Reasonable chance of that, but that chance is just as reasonable as Bailey wanting out or Wojo finding a different player.
When does Phillip Flory show up on campus?
Bailey is going to be a fantastic player for us. Looking forward to his arrival.
The only potential fly in the ointment would be if he found a future Mrs. Bailey and she didn't want to go to Milwaukee ( this has happened before on missions) . Possible but low probability.
I think there is more of a probability of Mr. Froling going pro in Australia than Bailey not honoring commitment. Froling evaluated those alternatives before heading here.
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BYU, Utah, and Utah State have been relying on LDS players for decades. They don't have anymore issues with keeping their commits than any other school. I wouldn't be surprised to learn if they have even less issues with honoring commitments than other schools. And while I'm sure there are single digit examples, I cant think of any LDS athlete who backed out of a commitment because he met his spouse on his mission. In fact, you arent supposed to be dating at all if you are doing the mission correctly.
As Sultan said, I'd only get nervous if Stan took an HC job somewhere.
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I think there is more of a probability of Mr. Froling going pro in Australia than Bailey not honoring commitment. Froling evaluated those alternatives before heading here.
I don't think Harry is looking at going pro back home, but I wouldn't rule out him exploring his options.
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The only job Stan is leaving for is a Duke. And I think Coach K has another 4-5 years in him.
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Under certain circumstances, aren't you allowed to oversign by 1?
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Under certain circumstances, aren't you allowed to oversign by 1?
A school can oversign but it is a very slippery slope, because ultimately the coach has to get someone on the team to go to walk on status or take a medical disqualification to be in compliance.
Pitino, Howland , Buzz with the Newbill case and others etc have gotten into some sticky situations because of this practice.
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It's very simple. We have one player ending eligibility (Rowsey) and one scholarship carried over from this year since we only have 12 under scholarship in 2017-18. Therefore two new are available for next year. Joey and Bailey are supposed to take those scholarships.
The only way that additional scholarships can be freed up is if someone currently under scholarship transfers, or if an incoming recruit doesn't show up.
I put the chances at about 75% that a scholarship will become available. Not because I know anything, but because of history.
I get your point, but technically there are more ways a scholarship could open. A player goes pro early, suffer a career ending injury, decide to not play basketball anymore, drops out of school completely, or doesn't have his scholarship renewed by the school.
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What if Markus has a huge year both on D an O m2n, hey?
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St. Lucia is quite possibly my least favorite Caribbean Island, but I hope you have a good time! And why aren't you drinking Carib?
Carib too light for me. The Guinness in British islands is great.
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Except, what's the deal with all the freakin' cats everywhere?
That is in Old San Juan. Stray population started to grow and the municipal government started to pick them up for shelter but obviously they were going to put them to sleep. Animal activists who luce in the area opposed and by the time they started a sterilization program it was too late. Chick whenever you guys come give me a heads up, drive you all over.
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Looking forward to it newsy. Our stop there this Spring was very brief. But we very much enjoy San Juan as a jump off point for cruises that take us all the way south.
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Looking forward to it newsy. Our stop there this Spring was very brief. But we very much enjoy San Juan as a jump off point for cruises that take us all the way south.
I know but you could book for an overnight stay
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I know but you could book for an overnight stay
Yep. Typically what we do. Fly in Friday/Sat., sail the next day.
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It's very simple. We have one player ending eligibility (Rowsey) and one scholarship carried over from this year since we only have 12 under scholarship in 2017-18. Therefore two new are available for next year. Joey and Bailey are supposed to take those scholarships.
The only way that additional scholarships can be freed up is if someone currently under scholarship transfers, or if an incoming recruit doesn't show up.
I put the chances at about 75% that a scholarship will become available. Not because I know anything, but because of history.
And we can move that up to 100%, if Grimes commits. Looks like Lennys got here first, so +1 Lenny.
The most likely senerio which I think Wojo is preparing for is a Markus to NBA move.
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The most likely senerio which I think Wojo is preparing for is a Markus to NBA move.
Love Markus, but he would have to take a major leap as a point guard to be ready to go after this season.
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Love Markus, but he would have to take a major leap as a point guard to be ready to go after this season.
He may even need to leap upward about 6 inches.
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Love Markus, but he would have to take a major leap as a point guard to be ready to go after this season.
Agreed. Markus is really going to need a great year to be NBA ready. And I have my doubts that he ends up in the NBA anyway given his height.
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I suspect Wojo's pitch to Grimes is to play #2 with Markus. That's one helluva starting lineup as soon as one year from today. Like deep into the tournament.
That said, it's still a very long shot. So be it. He can stay in touch with some other guys who might wait until Spring just to see if there's an opening.
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I suspect Wojo's pitch to Grimes is to play #2 with Markus. That's one helluva starting lineup as soon as one year from today. Like deep into the tournament.
That said, it's still a very long shot. So be it. He can stay in touch with some other guys who might wait until Spring just to see if there's an opening.
I would say the reverse. Grimes running the point with Markus at the 2.
Grimes
Markus
Sam
Joey
Harry
Theo, Heldt, Haanif, Sacar and Cain off the bench.
Excuse me while I book my final four tickets...
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I would say the reverse. Grimes running the point with Markus at the 2.
Grimes
Markus
Sam
Joey
Harry
Theo, Heldt, Haanif, Sacar and Cain off the bench.
Excuse me while I book my final four tickets...
Ike will lead us to the promise land
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I would say the reverse. Grimes running the point with Markus at the 2.
Grimes
Markus
Sam
Joey
Harry
Theo, Heldt, Haanif, Sacar and Cain off the bench.
Excuse me while I book my final four tickets...
Perhaps. But in the Duke model everyone's a combo. But yep, that's a good team.
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Perhaps. But in the Duke model everyone's a combo. But yep, that's a good team.
True, but need a good ball handling PG against quality pressure. MU's combos did not do so well against South Carolina in March.
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True, but need a good ball handling PG against quality pressure. MU's combos did not do so well against South Carolina in March.
Neither did anyone else. I trust you're not saying that a Grimes/Howard guard line (however configured) is a 'problem'?
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Neither did anyone else. I trust you're not saying that a Grimes/Howard guard line (however configured) is a 'problem'?
No, just addressing the duke model of guard combos you mentioned.
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No, just addressing the duke model of guard combos you mentioned.
Fair enough. I'd argue their banners suggest it certainly can work.
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I would say the reverse. Grimes running the point with Markus at the 2.
Grimes
Markus
Sam
Joey
Harry
Theo, Heldt, Haanif, Sacar and Cain off the bench.
Excuse me while I book my final four tickets...
Whether this should have an effect or not....Howard sees himself as a point guard. Grimes sees himself as a combo guard. Howard knows his only shot at the NBA is at the point. I don't know that he would react well to being moved to the 2. I think Howard is going to be our point guard as long as he's at MU.
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I suspect Wojo's pitch to Grimes is to play #2 with Markus. That's one helluva starting lineup as soon as one year from today. Like deep into the tournament.
Yep. Remember, Wojo is a blueprint guy. He's trying to sell Grimes on the idea that he is the final piece to a beautiful puzzle. "Quentin, I've got an all Big East PG, I've got brutes in the post, I've got sharpshooting wings....now all I need is a 2 guard who can put the ball on the floor and score. You are that 2 guard."
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I would say the reverse. Grimes running the point with Markus at the 2.
Grimes
Markus
Sam
Joey
Harry
Theo, Heldt, Haanif, Sacar and Cain off the bench.
Excuse me while I book my final four tickets...
Doesnt even mention Morrow or Bailey, who are both really good. We could be scary good next year, with or without Grimes.
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Yep. Remember, Wojo is a blueprint guy. He's trying to sell Grimes on the idea that he is the final piece to a beautiful puzzle. "Quentin, I've got an all Big East PG, I've got brutes in the post, I've got sharpshooting wings....now all I need is a 2 guard who can put the ball on the floor and score. You are that 2 guard."
Sounds like you were in that in home "Q" visit.
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Sounds like you were in that in home "Q" visit.
Was not. But if Wojo comes down for one of his high school games this year I might have to make an appearance. I'll deck myself out in blue and gold.
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Was not. But if Wojo comes down for one of his high school games this year I might have to make an appearance. I'll deck myself out in blue and gold.
So is TAMU still on him or have they given up?
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So is TAMU still on him or have they given up?
Like white on rice. Houston is generally A&M territory over TU territory. They won't give up without a fight. If we don't get the 5th official visit, I think TAMU might.
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Like white on rice. Houston is generally A&M territory over TU territory. They won't give up without a fight. If we don't get the 5th official visit, I think TAMU might.
Gotcha. Thanks for the update. Try to sabotage that................. without risking your job!
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Was not. But if Wojo comes down for one of his high school games this year I might have to make an appearance. I'll deck myself out in blue and gold.
Well its seems there will be an opening to replace Diener.
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Well its seems there will be an opening to replace Diener.
Ha! And give up my scoop membership? Never!
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Yep. Remember, Wojo is a blueprint guy. He's trying to sell Grimes on the idea that he is the final piece to a beautiful puzzle. "Quentin, I've got an all Big East PG, I've got brutes in the post, I've got sharpshooting wings....now all I need is a 2 guard who can put the ball on the floor and score. You are that 2 guard."
I don't know, but... with Grimes listed as a PG by most, it very well could be that he sees himself as an NBA PG in the future, and therefore, he could be turned off by the prospect of being that "2 guard who can put the ball on the floor and score", instead wanting to be the primary ball handler in college.
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I don't know, but... with Grimes listed as a PG by most, it very well could be that he sees himself as an NBA PG in the future, and therefore, he could be turned off by the prospect of being that "2 guard who can put the ball on the floor and score", instead wanting to be the primary ball handler in college.
http://baylor.247sports.com/Article/Checking-in-With-Five-Star-Quentin-Grimes-Texas-Kansas-Arizona-B-105317752
In this recent interview he talks about being a combo guard, a scorer, and playing the 1 or the 2.
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Like white on rice. Houston is generally A&M territory over TU territory. They won't give up without a fight. If we don't get the 5th official visit, I think TAMU might.
Subtle, but always well played.
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Ha! And give up my scoop membership? Never!
Wisdom is wonderful. Thanks for staying.
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Doesnt even mention Morrow or Bailey, who are both really good. We could be scary good next year, with or without Grimes.
Does anyone think that if Grimes decides to come to MU, long shot I know, that Bailey does not show up?
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Does anyone think that if Grimes decides to come to MU, long shot I know, that Bailey does not show up?
I think Bailey will show up.
My sense is that there is a possibility that Froling will go pro in Australia. He was already on one of their version of the D League teams there so he is well known. One of his considerations before he transferred was looking into the possibility of going pro over there. Obviously nothing happened in that regard most likely because of him being out of shape, which he clearly stated was a priority for him going forward. Clearly he has lost weight and is working hard. If he shows progress with us , those doors will immediately open for him. The pay in Australia s good and being Australian he has a leg up because they want locals on the team. Not saying this will happen , but it is possible.
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I think Bailey will show up.
My sense is that there is a possibility that Froling will go pro in Australia. He was already on one of their version of the D League teams there so he is well known. One of his considerations before he transferred was looking into the possibility of going pro over there. Obviously nothing happened in that regard most likely because of him being out of shape, which he clearly stated was a priority for him going forward. Clearly he has lost weight and is working hard. If he shows progress with us , those doors will immediately open for him. The pay in Australia s good and being Australian he has a leg up because they want locals on the team. Not saying this will happen , but it is possible.
The pay in Australia is OK but not great. He can always go back to that. If he wants to play in the NBA he's better sticking it out here.
There is always roster turnover. You can make the case for a lot of guys.
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Does anyone think that if Grimes decides to come to MU, long shot I know, that Bailey does not show up?
Not to speculate, but it is far more likely that either Elliot or John are unhappy with their limited role next season that they chose to find greener pastures than Bailey not showing up or anyone going pro.
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I can see that but then MU took a kid for one semester which is ridiculous. Guess anything can happen. Then it would have to be 1 of the freshman, as the upper
class is not going anywhere. It will interesting, lets see if Wojo can get him on campus. That new arena will be impressive. he could leave a mark on the program.
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Not to speculate, but it is far more likely that either Elliot or John are unhappy with their limited role next season that they chose to find greener pastures than Bailey not showing up or anyone going pro.
Elliott will see playing time since I am not sold on Cheatham, and John will get time the first 10 games as Froling wll be out still. So those 2 both will get an opportunity.
Eke must know he needs work, so it would come down to Cain. I see it differently.
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Elliott will see playing time since I am not sold on Cheatham, and John will get time the first 10 games as Froling wll be out still. So those 2 both will get an opportunity.
Eke must know he needs work, so it would come down to Cain. I see it differently.
Ike , Cain, Elliot and John are our future stars. None of those guys are going anywhere.
It really comes down to Haanif doing an STjr, Froling going pro, Sacar not working out as planned or Bailey not showing up. I think Markus is a four year guy, unless of course he repeats last years shooting performance, in which case case he could go Pro. Sam and Heldt are core players.
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Elliott will see playing time since I am not sold on Cheatham
Unless you are Wojo, Elliott's playing time will have nothing to do with your views on Cheatham.
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Ike is very raw and Elliot is a twig. No way im touting them as future stars yet. There isnt much room for Ike after Froling gets back for at least two years. Anyone remember Aaron Durley?
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Elliott will see playing time since I am not sold on Cheatham, and John will get time the first 10 games as Froling wll be out still. So those 2 both will get an opportunity.
Eke must know he needs work, so it would come down to Cain. I see it differently.
Yah I meant to say Elliot and Eke. Not John. I think Cain and John will be in the rotation this year. Less convinced on Elliot and Eke. Though Eke will definitely get some time early in the season. I suspect everyone will play against non-con cupcakes. The BE season is when it the rotation will get trimmed, and history suggests that someone won't like it.
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Ike , Cain, Elliot and John are our future stars. None of those guys are going anywhere.
It really comes down to Haanif doing an STjr, Froling going pro, Sacar not working out as planned or Bailey not showing up. I think Markus is a four year guy, unless of course he repeats last years shooting performance, in which case case he could go Pro. Sam and Heldt are core players.
Sacar is pretty much stuck until after his junior year (two more seasons). If he transfers before then, he burns a year of eligibility. Doubt he does that, and I actually think he is going to be very good this year.
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Sacar is pretty much stuck until after his junior year (two more seasons). If he transfers before then, he burns a year of eligibility. Doubt he does that, and I actually think he is going to be very good this year.
I think he is going to be good as well. I am just saying in the low probability case if for some reason he didn't work out as planned ,which in effect means he is a fringe D1 player, he could go D2 and finish somewhere else without losing the year.
I remember a few years back a guy from Michigan State actually dropped down to D3. Again
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Let's see if they get Grimes, then it will be the staff who gets the axe. Lots of time to decided that. A coach can sit a kid, and force the kid out if he sees no playing time, which is best for the kid to leave. Tough love, no different than Goldman Sachs or GE, they hire young kids and the the bottom feeder gets the axe. My next
door neighbors son at GS just got the axe.
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Not to speculate, but it is far more likely that either Elliot or John are unhappy with their limited role next season that they chose to find greener pastures than Bailey not showing up or anyone going pro.
Isn't this speculation?
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Isn't this speculation?
Obviously. Basically saying I have do not have any inside info, but if anyone is going to transfer to create a spot from Grimes, Eke and Elliot would seem like the most likely candidates. Obviously a lot of ball to play between now and then, and these things tend to take care of themselves.
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Dealing with the implications of "if we land Grimes" is a really big "if." That said, competition is a good thing.
Think back to a year ago, before the season started. A lot of posters assumed that Traci Carter had the keys to the offense. He looked quick and confident in the open practice. When the season started, his numbers were up almost across the board: ORtg, eFG%, ARate, 3PT%. (Turnovers were also down slightly, but still way too high at 26.8%.)
But now he was competing against Markus Howard, who earned 2 gold medals playing for USA basketball. And Andrew Rowsey, who finished 27th in the nation in scoring average at UNC-Asheville. So while Traci improved his game, his minutes dropped significantly and he decided to take his talents elsewhere.
As much as I liked Traci, I doubt we'd have made the NCAAs if he was our starting point guard last season. A player like Grimes could be an equally important catalyst for the team.
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Obviously. Basically saying I have do not have any inside info, but if anyone is going to transfer to create a spot from Grimes, Eke and Elliot would seem like the most likely candidates. Obviously a lot of ball to play between now and then, and these things tend to take care of themselves.
Elliot knew who could play guard on the team when he committed. Eke has been over recruited with John, Froling & Morrow.
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Elliot knew who could play guard on the team when he committed. Eke has been over recruited with John, Froling & Morrow.
Ike and Elliot are our future. These two kids are hyper athletic and going to be great players for us.
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Ike and Elliot are our future. These two kids are hyper athletic and going to be great players for us.
#BanHammer
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#BanHammer
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Nah. He hasn't gotten any smarter, but he has yet to be offensive or attacked anybody since he got back. Delusions aren't a reason to ban.
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Do we know when QG is supposed to be narrowing down his list to the top 5? Aren't we on the outside looking in behind TAMU....
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Do we know when QG is supposed to be narrowing down his list to the top 5? Aren't we on the outside looking in behind TAMU....
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/five-star-quentin-grimes-cutting-list-soon-2
In this video he said he was going to cut it to 5 or 6 after the Adidas Uprising (which was this past weekend) so we should get an update pretty soon. I think Arizona, Kansas, and TU are locks to get visits. I think Kentucky, Marquette, TAMU, and Baylor are fighting for the last two. I could see him cutting to 6 and then deciding on visits later. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry, said he would take all 5 officials.
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https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/five-star-quentin-grimes-cutting-list-soon-2
In this video he said he was going to cut it to 5 or 6 after the Adidas Uprising (which was this past weekend) so we should get an update pretty soon. I think Arizona, Kansas, and TU are locks to get visits. I think Kentucky, Marquette, TAMU, and Baylor are fighting for the last two. I could see him cutting to 6 and then deciding on visits later. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry, said he would take all 5 officials.
Have you cut the phone lines into the TAMU Athletic offices yet as instructed?
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Have you cut the phone lines into the TAMU Athletic offices yet as instructed?
I was going to but now there's a paper trail! I'm not going down for this!
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Does anyone think that if Grimes decides to come to MU, long shot I know, that Bailey does not show up?
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Bailey's coming. Just learn to deal with MU getting a top 100 wing who happens to be a great shooter, and quality individual.
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I can see that but then MU took a kid for one semester which is ridiculous. Guess anything can happen. Then it would have to be 1 of the freshman, as the upper
class is not going anywhere. It will interesting, lets see if Wojo can get him on campus. That new arena will be impressive. he could leave a mark on the program.
What's ridiculous about taking a quality big man for the majority of the season including all the Big East schedule in a year that you're trying to get two freshman bigs up to speed on Big East basketball and are waiting on a quality big who is red shirting?
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Ike and Elliot are our future. These two kids are hyper athletic and going to be great players for us.
There's no way that Ike sees the court once Kostas transfers in from Dayton and takes his playing time.
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What's ridiculous about taking a quality big man for the majority of the season including all the Big East schedule in a year that your trying to get two freshman bigs up to speed on Big East basketball and are waiting on a quality big who is red shirting?
First off, I am not sure how quality he is. He averaged about 3.5 points as a benchwarmer at SMU as a freshman. He came to MU way out of shape, then broke
his foot. I am not sure what they have here yet. I was at the double header in Madison Garden last year and Froling did not jump out at me, Semi, did. Time will tell. But signing a kid to play for one semester, really. I do not think that is how you build a program, not
sure taking Henry helped Wojo get going. 2018-19 will be the first year that he has a full scholarship allotment used, I for one hope Froling stays at least a year
and a half or maybe 2 1/2, graduates as a senior. John is going to play right away. Physical player, Froling is tall not physical, no one has stated he is a great
defender or rebounder yet? Eke is a project, will play some D, which they were lacking last year and with only 10 players first semester he will get some playing time.
For Eke, the following year, might be a challenge getting time. Morrow is a proven Big Ten player and Joey is coming.
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First off, I am not sure how quality he is. He averaged about 3.5 points as a benchwarmer at SMU as a freshman. He came to MU way out of shape, then broke
his foot. I am not sure what they have here yet. I was at the double header in Madison Garden last year and Froling did not jump out at me, Semi, did. Time will tell. But signing a kid to play for one semester, really. I do not think that is how you build a program, not
sure taking Henry helped Wojo get going. 2018-19 will be the first year that he has a full scholarship allotment used, I for one hope Froling stays at least a year
and a half or maybe 2 1/2, graduates as a senior. John is going to play right away. Physical player, Froling is tall not physical, no one has stated he is a great
defender or rebounder yet? Eke is a project, will play some D, which they were lacking last year and with only 10 players first semester he will get some playing time.
For Eke, the following year, might be a challenge getting time. Morrow is a proven Big Ten player and Joey is coming.
Did Bilsu or whoever the other dude is that always types like this create a new account?
Froling has lost over 40 pounds since he came to campus. He looks like a completely different guy. His foot was also already broken. It was a small hairline fracture that MU decided to address while he was out. I haven't seen him play besides in the same tournament you saw him, but I have a feeling his is going to be a good player for us. I highly doubt he bolts after this year.
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First off, I am not sure how quality he is. He averaged about 3.5 points as a benchwarmer at SMU as a freshman.
Actually he averaged 4.3 points and 3.2 rebounds as the second guy off the bench for a top 20 SMU program.
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Bailey's coming. Just learn to deal with MU getting a top 100 wing who happens to be a great shooter, and quality individual.
Happy to have him, reminds me of Reggie Miller. Taking 2 years off, might make a difference. He has added weight. Initially I saw him as a skinny 2 guard. Now
more a wing. Plus great blood lines. Hope he can show up next semester to get his hoop play up to par. Like taking another transfer as he will be at least 20 or
21 when he shows up.
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That is suppose to be next summer, not next semester.
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First off, I am not sure how quality he is. He averaged about 3.5 points as a benchwarmer at SMU as a freshman. He came to MU way out of shape, then broke
his foot. I am not sure what they have here yet. I was at the double header in Madison Garden last year and Froling did not jump out at me, Semi, did. Time will tell. But signing a kid to play for one semester, really. I do not think that is how you build a program, not
sure taking Henry helped Wojo get going. 2018-19 will be the first year that he has a full scholarship allotment used, I for one hope Froling stays at least a year
and a half or maybe 2 1/2, graduates as a senior. John is going to play right away. Physical player, Froling is tall not physical, no one has stated he is a great
defender or rebounder yet? Eke is a project, will play some D, which they were lacking last year and with only 10 players first semester he will get some playing time.
For Eke, the following year, might be a challenge getting time. Morrow is a proven Big Ten player and Joey is coming.
I also hope that Froling stays the course for 21/2 years like Luke did. IIRC, Luke's one semester stats at Indiana were probably somewhat less than Froling's stats. But, if he does move on after this year, MU still gets important value having a second seasoned big to play along with the two freshmen second semester.
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Did Bilsu or whoever the other dude is that always types like this create a new account?
Froling has lost over 40 pounds since he came to campus. He looks like a completely different guy. His foot was also already broken. It was a small hairline fracture that MU decided to address while he was out. I haven't seen him play besides in the same tournament you saw him, but I have a feeling his is going to be a good player for us. I highly doubt he bolts after this year.
Yes same dude, forgot my password, had to open a new account. They never sent an opportunity to re-do. I agree, he stays for more than one semester. All I have
heard is that he is a different type of center than Heldt or Luke. Can shoot, but can he rebound and play D? Hope he can play some 4 with that loss of weight. But
Sam at the three.
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Yes same dude, forgot my password, had to open a new account. They never sent an opportunity to re-do. I agree, he stays for more than one semester. All I have
heard is that he is a different type of center than Heldt or Luke. Can shoot, but can he rebound and play D? Hope he can play some 4 with that loss of weight. But
Sam at the three.
BCHoopster! Thats what it was.
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Happy to have him, reminds me of Reggie Miller. Taking 2 years off, might make a difference. He has added weight. Initially I saw him as a skinny 2 guard. Now
more a wing. Plus great blood lines. Hope he can show up next semester to get his hoop play up to par. Like taking another transfer as he will be at least 20 or
21 when he shows up.
It probably wasn't fair to single you out on the "if he comes" comments about Bailey. Many have said it and now its popping up again due to the excitement about possibly getting Grimes. It bugs me because its unrealistic since its very unusual for a player who committed before a Mormon misson not to show up and because it's throwing a very good player who has committed to MU over other great programs under the bus due to a frenzy over the possibility of getting a higher rated recruit. I think as fans we owe it to kids who have committed to our program to let them show up and show everyone what they got before they get that kind of treatment. Programs with class do that.
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There's no way that Ike sees the court once Kostas transfers in from Dayton and takes his playing time.
Congrats, for paying attention.
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It probably wasn't fair to single you out on the "if he comes" comments about Bailey. Many have said it and now its popping up again due to the excitement about possibly getting Grimes. It bugs me because its unrealistic since its very unusual for a player who committed before a Mormon misson not to show up and because it's throwing a very good player who has committed to MU over other great programs under the bus due to a frenzy over the possibility of getting a higher rated recruit. I think as fans we owe it to kids who have committed to our program to let them show up and show everyone what they got before they get that kind of treatment. Programs with class do that.
Was Jamil that much better than Newbill?
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Did Bilsu or whoever the other dude is that always types like this create a new account?
Froling has lost over 40 pounds since he came to campus. He looks like a completely different guy. His foot was also already broken. It was a small hairline fracture that MU decided to address while he was out. I haven't seen him play besides in the same tournament you saw him, but I have a feeling his is going to be a good player for us. I highly doubt he bolts after this year.
I have never posted under another name.
I got bashed for posting a couple of months ago that we would not be very good(NCAA tournament team) if Froling was not good enough to beat out Heldt and I still believe that.
The only thing I posted in this thread was in response to someone posting that either Elliot or Eke will transfer, because they will be unhappy with no playing time. My post pointed out that Elliot signed knowing who was ahead of him at guard, while (in my opinion) Eke has been over recruited. Basically, I am saying that their situations are not equal. I did not say either one was transferring.
I voted for Elliot as having the biggest impact of the four freshmen players and I still believe that.
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I have never posted under another name.
I was just throwing names out there. It was BChoopster...which should have been obvious with his new name. Carry on...
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According to this article, Grimes says he may not decide until sometime in the winter before the second signing period.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/five-star-quentin-grimes-cutting-list-soon
That is helpful from our perspective, as we will have a better handle on our own roster by that time.
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These things work themselves out. Trying to predict who might not get what they were looking for is pretty useless at this point. Come mid BE play we'll have a better idea of who the most likely candidates will be. But even then, you just never know. The fact of the matter is that at least 1 player will almost surely leave following this upcoming season for any number of reasons. Probably even 2 or more players. So finding room for Grimes, or heck even if it were a less hyped recruit, won't be an issue. The issue will be getting Grimes to decide he wants to come to Marquette. Who leaves if he decides to come? Nobody knows right now.
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Do we know when QG is supposed to be narrowing down his list to the top 5? Aren't we on the outside looking in behind TAMU....
Top 7 tomorrow.....
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Top 7 tomorrow.....
Think we make the list comfortably. 1 of the following teams will be left out. (Unless of course he includes Duke who still hasn't even offered him)
Kansas
Zona
Texas
UK
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Baylor
Marquette
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Think we make the list comfortably. 1 of the following teams will be left out. (Unless of course he includes Duke who still hasn't even offered him)
Kansas
Zona
Texas
UK
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Baylor
Marquette
If he leaves out A&M, we'll know that TAMU did his job effectively 8-)
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If he leaves out A&M, we'll know that TAMU did his job effectively 8-)
And if he leaves MU out, that means he's a mole and should be burned at the stake.
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8-)
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Duke is apparently hard after Tre Jones and another point guard named Darius Garland. Kind of hoping little Ricky gets Tre, but doubt it given his brother's and Gary Trent Jr's Duke connections.
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It probably wasn't fair to single you out on the "if he comes" comments about Bailey. Many have said it and now its popping up again due to the excitement about possibly getting Grimes. It bugs me because its unrealistic since its very unusual for a player who committed before a Mormon misson not to show up and because it's throwing a very good player who has committed to MU over other great programs under the bus due to a frenzy over the possibility of getting a higher rated recruit. I think as fans we owe it to kids who have committed to our program to let them show up and show everyone what they got before they get that kind of treatment. Programs with class do that.
Was Jamil that much better than Newbill?
He was taller which was probably as important as skill in that tradeoff.
I think that most agree that the Newbill buzzcut was a low point for MU's program. We have a new coach now, and I don't think anyone would expect to see a similar incident under Wojo. Crean deftly avoided such situations by never having enough quality recruits.
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I think that most agree that the Newbill buzzcut was a low point for MU's program.
It was a low point yes. The way he handled the sexual assault allegations was THE low point however.
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Sorry for the oversize, but oh man... UK, KU, AZ, the Big Country 3 and MU.
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Don't be afraid to sit at that table boys. The other six are more afraid of you.
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The MU is in the middle. #donedeal
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The MU is in the middle. #donedeal
So Grimes is going to soft verbal to Marquette but ultimately end up at Texas? Bummer.
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Sorry for the oversize, but oh man... UK, KU, AZ, the Big Country 3 and MU.
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Don't be afraid to sit at that table boys. The other six are more afraid of you.
It really does feel like a "one of these things is not like the other" situation
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It really does feel like a "one of these things is not like the other" situation
Yep. 3 Texas schools, 3 blue bloods.....and Marquette. It tells you that Wojo and Co must have made one helluva impression.
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All it takes is one to make a jump, ala what George Thompson did? Wojo has lot to sell.
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Yep. 3 Texas schools, 3 blue bloods.....and Marquette. It tells you that Wojo and Co must have made one helluva impression.
And here I figured he was talking about A&M... ;)
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And here I figured he was talking about A&M... ;)
+1. Thinking the same.