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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuMark on July 13, 2017, 08:35:35 PM
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https://twitter.com/stevekylernba/status/885664905965125632
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Happy for that guy. Has all the tools and is finally putting them together. Was hoping to see him play in TBT though.
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Jamil definitely always had the raw ability. Great to see him putting it all together.
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We'll see what happens, most likely his agent trying to get the process moving like Buycks agent. Really no reason for a team to leak they are interested in a guy, also no reason for an agent to leak something unless there really isn't anything and they are trying to drum up a sense of urgency for other teams. All these NBA "writers" outside of a couple at the top are just conduits to promote agents agendas. If he doesn't play this weekend then that would be a sign things are moving along I'd think.
Hoping for him or Buycks to get a run, another guy in the NBA > TBT championship for the program IMO.
Kyler did mention the possibility that it might be a two-way contract. Not sure you hang a banner for that.
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Jamil definitely always had the raw ability. Great to see him putting it all together.
I always thought so.
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Looked like Tarzan
Played like Jane
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Goody he didn't look like Jane, doe, hey?
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Jamil definitely always had the raw ability. Great to see him putting it all together.
Jamil is not quick, he's not a great shooter and he can't create his own shot. I like Jamil a lot but he's the type of guy who "looks the part" because he's a long 6'7" guy who can jump so fans tend to overrate his abilities (especially at a program that featured similar-sized players in Hayward, Butler and Crowder). He never had the ability to be "the man" on his team, which isn't a knock on him. He was a nice third option and, at best, he has the potential to be a 10th man version of 3-and-D guy.
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Jamil is not quick, he's not a great shooter and he can't create his own shot. I like Jamil a lot but he's the type of guy who "looks the part" because he's a long 6'7" guy who can jump so fans tend to overrate his abilities (especially at a program that featured similar-sized players in Hayward, Butler and Crowder). He never had the ability to be "the man" on his team, which isn't a knock on him. He was a nice third option and, at best, he has the potential to be a 10th man version of 3-and-D guy.
For me, Jamil's problem was always consistency. Whether it was that he simply wasn't good enough to consistently deliver (indicating fans overrated his ability) or that he didn't have the personality or tenacity to consistently take over (indicating the ability was there but untapped) I'm not sure.
He certainly showed all the qualities you'd like at moments, but not enough moments to ever be what many of us thought he could be.
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If you can judge anything from SL his shooting has improved.......a lot.
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Jamil is not quick, he's not a great shooter and he can't create his own shot. I like Jamil a lot but he's the type of guy who "looks the part" because he's a long 6'7" guy who can jump so fans tend to overrate his abilities (especially at a program that featured similar-sized players in Hayward, Butler and Crowder). He never had the ability to be "the man" on his team, which isn't a knock on him. He was a nice third option and, at best, he has the potential to be a 10th man version of 3-and-D guy.
I'm certainly not the first one to say this, but Jamil's issues were more mental than physical. He simply didn't play with an edge very often, but the few times he would really stand out. Didn't Buzz have a quote along the lines of Jamil being too nice or thoughtful?
I think if he consistently played with that edge/focus/intensity/passion/desire -- whatever you want to call it-- he could play in the NBA. But does someone change how they fund mentally play at his age?
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I'm certainly not the first one to say this, but Jamil's issues were more mental than physical. He simply didn't play with an edge very often, but the few times he would really stand out. Didn't Buzz have a quote along the lines of Jamil being too nice or thoughtful?
I think if he consistently played with that edge/focus/intensity/passion/desire -- whatever you want to call it-- he could play in the NBA. But does someone change how they fund mentally play at his age?
I think Merritt's is more right than you are. I don't think it was a mental issue. I think his physical attributes were overrated. Not particularly quick or explosive.
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I agree with TSmith.
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Congrats to Milly
https://twitter.com/iamdpick/status/886004683558584320
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That's fantastic. Good money for Jamil.
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For me, Jamil's problem was always consistency. Whether it was that he simply wasn't good enough to consistently deliver (indicating fans overrated his ability) or that he didn't have the personality or tenacity to consistently take over (indicating the ability was there but untapped) I'm not sure.
He certainly showed all the qualities you'd like at moments, but not enough moments to ever be what many of us thought he could be.
Yeah I think it was mostly mental. He didn't seem to have that killer instinct. Some guys just don't have it. Not everyone can be a Jimmy or Jae.
I had friends who were not MU fans but would catch some games or parts of them during Jamils last two years. He was always the one that stood out to them as our best player in limited viewing.
He looked the part. But if you watched long enough you'd see what we all saw.
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Wow, that's great for Jamil. His two contested 3-pointers in that magical final minute against Davidson forever endeared him to this cat.
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always liked the way he moved, had an NBA ready body. now that it's his full time job and doesn't have an 18 credit class schedule to worry about... ::)
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Wow, that's great for Jamil. His two contested 3-pointers in that magical final minute against Davidson forever endeared him to this cat.
+1. I'll always be thankful to JW for that.
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Lazy.
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Lazy.
No.
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Not lazy. Not the forceful dynamic leader that Vander, Jae, JFB, Amigos were.
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For Jamil, it was ALWAYS a matter of fans overrating his skills. It was never about lacking heart or desire or a killer instinct or passion or intensity or whatever you want to call it. Fans just need something to point to because saying, "He's just not as good as I thought" doesn't cut it for them.
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For Jamil, it was ALWAYS a matter of fans overrating his skills. It was never about lacking heart or desire or a killer instinct or passion or intensity or whatever you want to call it. Fans just need something to point to because saying, "He's just not as good as I thought" doesn't cut it for them.
I generally agree with this. I do think that, most of the time, he wasn't willing to "go for it" and was willing to defer to others who might not have been as talented as he was. But I've always thought that for someone who seemed, on the surface, to be "athletic," he really lacked "basketball quickness."
Not an NBA player. Of course, I thought the same about Buycks; I was stunned when he got even 5 minutes in the league.
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I generally agree with this. I do think that, most of the time, he wasn't willing to "go for it" and was willing to defer to others who might not have been as talented as he was. But I've always thought that for someone who seemed, on the surface, to be "athletic," he really lacked "basketball quickness."
Not an NBA player. Of course, I thought the same about Buycks; I was stunned when he got even 5 minutes in the league.
Buycks has just gotten better and better as a player. Was one of those guys that didnt hit his potential at20-21 but 23-24 kinda thing imo.
On wilson, im not sure anyone ever overestimted his skills. I think it was more like , " yikes with athleticism like that and that god given body if he lived in the gym n played with more hunger he could be all everything". Wilson always seemed like a great kid blessed with supreme athleticism that just never really bled to be great. Travis dieners will in jamil wilsons body is where super stars come from
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Jamil Wilson doesn't have "supreme athleticism."
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Jamil Wilson doesn't have "supreme athleticism."
+1
He has a 40" vertical but he's not a quick leaper nor does he have much lateral quickness.
I truly hope Jamil makes it on an NBA roster and has a long, lucrative career. He's a great young man and an outstanding ambassador for MU. I'm just not sure that I see what so many others think they see.
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+1
He has a 40" vertical but he's not a quick leaper nor does he have much lateral quickness.
I truly hope Jamil makes it on an NBA roster and has a long, lucrative career. He's a great young man and an outstanding ambassador for MU. I'm just not sure that I see what so many others think they see.
Slow twitch athlete in a fast-twitch game.
However, it looks like he has bulked up a bit on top of much improved shooting, so he could easily find a spot as a 3 & D player with his natural length. Hope it works out for him
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Jamil Wilson doesn't have "supreme athleticism."
Dont disagree relative to the nba, although i do think he is athletic enuff for the nba
I do feel that most times he was the most athleticcplayer on the floor and under achieved relative to his athleticism in college, which was my reference
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Dont disagree relative to the nba, although i do think he is athletic enuff for the nba
I do feel that most times he was the most athleticcplayer on the floor and under achieved relative to his athleticism in college, which was my reference
This makes zero sense.
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Slow twitch athlete in a fast-twitch game.
However, it looks like he has bulked up a bit on top of much improved shooting, so he could easily find a spot as a 3 & D player with his natural length. Hope it works out for him
Easily? No.
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reality check folks. We like him because he's from MU, but he's not good enough for the NBA. Doesn't have the quickness, doesn't have the physicality, and doesn't have the mind-set. If you want proof that the last two are important, see Matthews, Wes or Crowder, Jae.
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reality check folks. We like him because he's from MU, but he's not good enough for the NBA. Doesn't have the quickness, doesn't have the physicality, and doesn't have the mind-set. If you want proof that the last two are important, see Matthews, Wes or Crowder, Jae.
Reality check, he's signing a 2 way contract with the Clippers which means at some point he'll probably spend time on their NBA roster unless they go through an entire season without any players getting injured.
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reality check folks. We like him because he's from MU, but he's not good enough for the NBA. Doesn't have the quickness, doesn't have the physicality, and doesn't have the mind-set. If you want proof that the last two are important, see Matthews, Wes or Crowder, Jae.
Have you seen the Bulls' roster GarPax have attracted?
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+1
He has a 40" vertical but he's not a quick leaper nor does he have much lateral quickness.
I truly hope Jamil makes it on an NBA roster and has a long, lucrative career. He's a great young man and an outstanding ambassador for MU. I'm just not sure that I see what so many others think they see.
That would put his vertical on par with Lebron James, who also doesn't have a ton of lateral quickness (he's a power athlete, with great straight line speed).
Would you say James does not have "supreme athleticism"?
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That would put his vertical on par with Lebron James, who also doesn't have a ton of lateral quickness (he's a power athlete, with great straight line speed).
Would you say James does not have "supreme athleticism"?
For his body type - a combination of linebacker, tight end and Mack truck - James is plenty quick.
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Have you seen the Bulls' roster GarPax have attracted?
The 2017-18 Bulls are going to make a great case for a relegation system similar to the English Premier League... the best D League team comes up and the worst NBA team goes down. Without this, GarPax idiocy is unpunishable... and Yes, Jamil would not be the worst player on the 2017-18 Bulls.
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The 2017-18 Bulls are going to make a great case for a relegation system similar to the English Premier League... the best D League team comes up and the worst NBA team goes down. Without this, GarPax idiocy is unpunishable... and Yes, Jamil would not be the worst player on the 2017-18 Bulls.
This would be better off in the AHL where there are a lot of mid sized markets. The Dleague is filled with extremely small markets and teams in the same city as their NBA team
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Jamil definitely always had the raw ability. Great to see him putting it all together.
Agreed Brew. I really am down on how little appreciation there is for Davante and Jamil. I know I am biased toward my own ratings, but I feel strongly that Jamil was the 2nd best player on an Elite 8 team. If so, he is one of only 12 Marquette players who can say that. Even if you disagree on where he ranks among that great surprise team - but regardless throw out the next year because everyone who could play point guard left.
I have him ranked as the 206th best player in the country that season, and that would make him one of the best two players on every Marquette team since DJO and Crowder teamed up. He was ranked at www.kenpom.com in 3-point shooting, overall shooting and blocked shots, and he could press the ball from the inbound pass (remember the elbow he took to the face near the end of the Florida game playing one-on-one defense 84 feet from the basket and the refs refused to call the flagrant).
The biggest injustice I feel MU fans have given players was to Davante and Jamil - seemingly to completely dismiss them for leading our only Elite 8 team since Wade because the next year was so bad. But you can't blame Davante and Jamil for that - you can only blame Vander Blue for leaving the team after a killer early season was put together and to Buzz for not being able to get a point guard or worse yet for Junior Cadougan being put in for a few minutes a few years earlier so he didn't have that one extra year of eligibility.
With teams free to double team Jamil or Davante on every trip because they were willing to give Derrick an open 8-footer if he wanted it, I just don't see how Jamil and Davante aren't getting the credit they should have as heroes leading MU to an Elite 8 with his thrashing of Miami with 3 blocked shots, 8 rebounds and three of four 3-point shots should be our final memory of how good he was for us.
Throw out the senior seasons for Davante and Jamil - Buzz had quit, Vander had left and we didn't have a point guard (I would have loved Derrick as a defensive specialist, wasn't fair to him either).
Best of luck.
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Agreed Brew. I really am down on how little appreciation there is for Davante and Jamil. I know I am biased toward my own ratings, but I feel strongly that Jamil was the 2nd best player on an Elite 8 team. If so, he is one of only 12 Marquette players who can say that. Even if you disagree on where he ranks among that great surprise team - but regardless throw out the next year because everyone who could play point guard left.
I have him ranked as the 206th best player in the country that season, and that would make him one of the best two players on every Marquette team since DJO and Crowder teamed up. He was ranked at www.kenpom.com in 3-point shooting, overall shooting and blocked shots, and he could press the ball from the inbound pass (remember the elbow he took to the face near the end of the Florida game playing one-on-one defense 84 feet from the basket and the refs refused to call the flagrant).
The biggest injustice I feel MU fans have given players was to Davante and Jamil - seemingly to completely dismiss them for leading our only Elite 8 team since Wade because the next year was so bad. But you can't blame Davante and Jamil for that - you can only blame Vander Blue for leaving the team after a killer early season was put together and to Buzz for not being able to get a point guard or worse yet for Junior Cadougan being put in for a few minutes a few years earlier so he didn't have that one extra year of eligibility.
With teams free to double team Jamil or Davante on every trip because they were willing to give Derrick an open 8-footer if he wanted it, I just don't see how Jamil and Davante aren't getting the credit they should have as heroes leading MU to an Elite 8 with his thrashing of Miami with 3 blocked shots, 8 rebounds and three of four 3-point shots should be our final memory of how good he was for us.
Throw out the senior seasons for Davante and Jamil - Buzz had quit, Vander had left and we didn't have a point guard (I would have loved Derrick as a defensive specialist, wasn't fair to him either).
Best of luck.
i'm sure the people you blame for the poor season have excuses as well, and their previous year stats were probably pretty solid. hard to use quantitative data to fit your initial argument, and than qualitative data to state that buzz quit. i think they were good enough to get us to an elite 8 given a lot of luck and their lesser roles. they weren't good enough to overcome the difficult situation the following year. that's all. i think most appreciate what both did for our program...i certainly have found memories overall.
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Basically agree - while analytical I have always said I believe the complete absence of point guard play is the one factor that can undo all the other players. Admit it is an excuse, but I think valid. I do also think our fans were incredibly spoiled by the unreal expectations die to 3 straight sweet 16s.