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Title: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 10:53:51 AM
After decades of trying, Marquette is finally getting a real grocery store.  A Sendik's, no less:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/money/real-estate/commercial/2017/06/28/sendiks-food-markets-open-small-format-grocery-store-near-marquette-university-campus/435024001/
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 28, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
Thats awesome. 
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: wadesworld on June 28, 2017, 10:57:47 AM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54402.msg935336;topicseen#new

Other than the students who use mommy and daddy's Uber account to get from 2040s to the Sendik's and then use mommy and daddy's credit card to pay for said Sendik's trips, I'm not sure what college students would shop at Sendik's.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 28, 2017, 11:01:09 AM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54402.msg935336;topicseen#new

Other than the students who use mommy and daddy's Uber account to get from 2040s to the Sendik's and then use mommy and daddy's credit card to pay for said Sendik's trips, I'm not sure what college students would shop at Sendik's.

I would have killed for a grocery store on campus. I used to have to take the bus to the store (or bum a ride from SaveOD). I didn't have a meal plan after being an RA (where I got it as part of my compensation). I can make grocery store food go a lot father for a lot cheaper than I could a meal plan.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 11:02:34 AM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54402.msg935336;topicseen#new

Other than the students who use mommy and daddy's Uber account to get from 2040s to the Sendik's and then use mommy and daddy's credit card to pay for said Sendik's trips, I'm not sure what college students would shop at Sendik's.

The ones who would be shopping at the 7-11 otherwise because the don't have a car to go to Pic n Save.  It's a win all around and a huge accomplishment, so stop crapping on it.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: barfolomew on June 28, 2017, 11:04:21 AM
Isn't the Annex on the the northeast corner of Wells & 16th?
Assuming it would be either on the Wells side or the 16th side of that?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 11:22:18 AM
Isn't the Annex on the the northeast corner of Wells & 16th?
Assuming it would be either on the Wells side or the 16th side of that?

There is empty space right next to the bookstore, a little north of Wells.  My guess that it is going there, and possibly taking over the Bookmarq space as well. The bookstore can go in a less desirable location because it doesn't rely on foot traffic or impulse purchases.  Except for that one time that I bought that $200 physics textbook because I saw it in the window and the cover looked pretty.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: MUfan12 on June 28, 2017, 11:26:32 AM
My guess is Book Marq moves, and they combine the old OP space with that one.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: brewcity77 on June 28, 2017, 11:27:31 AM
Great news. That area really is a food desert, which has become a swiftly growing problem in urban areas. What are the closest stores to campus now, East Point or Garfield Pick N Save? The PnS on 35th and Center? State Street? Especially now that the store on 16th and National was shut down, there's nothing in that area. Good not just for Marquette, but the surrounding community in general.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
Great news. That area really is a food desert, which has become a swiftly growing problem in urban areas. What are the closest stores to campus now, East Point or Garfield Pick N Save? The PnS on 35th and Center? State Street? Especially now that the store on 16th and National was shut down, there's nothing in that area. Good not just for Marquette, but the surrounding community in general.

My kids used to go to the Pic n Save on the East side, near UWM.

I remember going to the Pic n Save on 69th and State. Or one of the old ones that was on Forest Home.  Anyone who is bitching about the Sendiks needs to try to transfer busses with two sacks of groceries and a gallon of milk.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 28, 2017, 11:37:58 AM
My kids used to go to the Pic n Save on the East side, near UWM.

I remember going to the Pic n Save on 69th and State. Or one of the old ones that was on Forest Home.  Anyone who is bitching about the Sendiks needs to try to transfer busses with two sacks of groceries and a gallon of milk.

Why? There's at least two pick n saves and a metro market that are closer than the uwm pick n save.

That being said I'm thrilled this is happening. Maybe this'll attract more east coast rich kids
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 11:58:45 AM
Why? There's at least two pick n saves and a metro market that are closer than the uwm pick n save.

That being said I'm thrilled this is happening. Maybe this'll attract more east coast rich kids

Ugh, I meant MSOE.  And that is the one they go to - the one a block away from Metro Market.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Eye on June 28, 2017, 12:00:47 PM
I remember going to a Cub Foods a mile or two south of campus.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 28, 2017, 12:01:45 PM
My kids used to go to the Pic n Save on the East side, near UWM.

I remember going to the Pic n Save on 69th and State. Or one of the old ones that was on Forest Home.  Anyone who is bitching about the Sendiks needs to try to transfer busses with two sacks of groceries and a gallon of milk.

Just let the dragon loose on 'em.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: MUCam on June 28, 2017, 12:14:21 PM
The important question in all of this is what physics text book was purchased?  As a non-physics major, I always thought that Douglas Giancolli's "Physics" presented a beautiful cover that presented well on the coffee table. It also made me dream of wonderful expeditions to the top of remote mountain tops. Alas, it would not take me long to realize that I do not much care for walking, much less trekking up some mountain in miserable conditions to my certain death.

(https://www.freeonlinetextbooks.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/giancoli-physics-6th-edition.jpg)

As for the grocery store, I like food. I do not think of certain death, when I think of food, unless I am at a Chinese buffet.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
The important question in all of this is what physics text book was purchased?  As a non-physics major, I always thought that Douglas Giancolli's "Physics" presented a beautiful cover that presented well on the coffee table. It also made me dream of wonderful expeditions to the top of remote mountain tops. Alas, it would not take me long to realize that I do not much care for walking, much less trekking up some mountain in miserable conditions to my certain death.

(https://www.freeonlinetextbooks.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/giancoli-physics-6th-edition.jpg)

As for the grocery store, I like food. I do not think of certain death, when I think of food, unless I am at a Chinese buffet.

Wow! I meant that as a joke, but that is a beautiful cover.  Not worth dropping a couple of bills for, though.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 28, 2017, 12:22:31 PM
Ugh, I meant MSOE.  And that is the one they go to - the one a block away from Metro Market.

Oh makes a lot more sense than the uwm one.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: wadesworld on June 28, 2017, 12:34:38 PM
Ugh, I meant MSOE.  And that is the one they go to - the one a block away from Metro Market.

If they're smart they'll continue going there.  Save more than enough money that they can used the saved money on Chipotle or (even better) Point's East right next door.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 28, 2017, 12:36:30 PM
If they're smart they'll continue going there.  Save more than enough money that they can used the saved money on Chipotle or (even better) Point's East right next door.

Points east is like Sophie's choice, either support a pdeophile or miss out on the best wings in country.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 28, 2017, 12:40:20 PM
My kids used to go to the Pic n Save on the East side, near UWM.

I remember going to the Pic n Save on 69th and State. Or one of the old ones that was on Forest Home.  Anyone who is bitching about the Sendiks needs to try to transfer busses with two sacks of groceries and a gallon of milk.

I don't remember the name of the place I used to go in 90-91, but it was a fairly significant bus ride.  It was definitely over on the East side.

This is a good thing.  I'm honestly surprised they didn't have one already.  I'd have thought that they would have gotten this done in the last 25+ years.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: jficke13 on June 28, 2017, 12:40:53 PM
Points east is like Sophie's choice, either support a pdeophile or miss out on the best wings in country.

Wait... what? Elaborate please?

ETA: sorry, google is my friend http://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/39977947.html/

ETA 2: CCAP says he got 4 years + 5 years extended supervision. I never realized that.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: HouWarrior on June 28, 2017, 12:43:05 PM
I have always been curious....Sendiks was founded by  Tom Balistreri and continues to be family owned/operated.

Are they kin to Frank Balistreri and his boys...longtime Milw associates of the Outfit...best known for the Vegas skim, and locally for gambling, amusement machines, and waste hauling, etc ?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: wadesworld on June 28, 2017, 12:54:11 PM
Points east is like Sophie's choice, either support a pdeophile or miss out on the best wings in country.

I think(?) he had to sell it?  But that might be wrong.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: muwarrior69 on June 28, 2017, 12:56:21 PM
Why? There's at least two pick n saves and a metro market that are closer than the uwm pick n save.

That being said I'm thrilled this is happening. Maybe this'll attract more east coast rich kids


...and our Sh!t don't stink either!
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: The Lens on June 28, 2017, 12:56:29 PM
1) No immediate relationship
2) If you do a real comparison shop, you'll find P&S costs more.  They rely on their reputation of savings more than actual pricing.  But also, it's groceries so we're talking pennies here.  Of course prepared foods (where stores make their money) will be expensive but some students (and their parents) will pay for it.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: 🏀 on June 28, 2017, 01:08:53 PM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54402.msg935336;topicseen#new

Other than the students who use mommy and daddy's Uber account to get from 2040s to the Sendik's and then use mommy and daddy's credit card to pay for said Sendik's trips, I'm not sure what college students would shop at Sendik's.

2040, represent.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: GooooMarquette on June 28, 2017, 01:16:21 PM
The ones who would be shopping at the 7-11 otherwise because the don't have a car to go to Pic n Save.  It's a win all around and a huge accomplishment, so stop crapping on it.

Yep.  Sendiks isn't cheap, but it beats the heck out of convenience stores and fast food places.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 01:17:55 PM
I don't remember the name of the place I used to go in 90-91, but it was a fairly significant bus ride.  It was definitely over on the East side.

This is a good thing.  I'm honestly surprised they didn't have one already.  I'd have thought that they would have gotten this done in the last 25+ years.

They have proactively been working on it for many, many, years, including approaching over a dozen grocery store chains directly. They were told that no one can make money when the students are only there 9 months out of the year.  I can't tell you how huge of an accomplishment this is.

I am not sure how many of you are aware of the Avenues West Association.  It is a partnership between Marquette, Miller Coors, Potowatomi, and Aurora Healthcare whose goal is to transform the neighborhood into a place where their employees want to live and socialize.  They were heavily involved in this.  They were also instrumental in getting the city to close down an apartment complex that was basically a drug den.  They are doing great things.

http://www.avenueswest.com/
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 28, 2017, 01:23:43 PM
They have proactively been working on it for many, many, years, including approaching over a dozen grocery store chains directly. They were told that no one can make money when the students are only there 9 months out of the year.  I can't tell you how huge of an accomplishment this is.

I am not sure how many of you are aware of the Avenues West Association.  It is a partnership between Marquette, Miller Coors, Potowatomi, and Aurora Healthcare whose goal is to transform the neighborhood into a place where their employees want to live and socialize.  They were heavily involved in this.  They were also instrumental in getting the city to close down an apartment complex that was basically a drug den.  They are doing great things.

http://www.avenueswest.com/

This is all great stuff.  Thanks for the info, Chick.  Marquette has come a long way since I was there...and I suspect is almost unrecognizable from the last time I was there (more than 20 years).  I'm happy to hear they are doing so well.  I've still got two chances to get one of mine there.  I'm planning to take a road trip next fall (2018) on the weekend my daughter plays at MU and DePaul.  I can hardly wait.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Sir Lawrence on June 28, 2017, 01:24:06 PM
1) No immediate relationship
2) If you do a real comparison shop, you'll find P&S costs more.  They rely on their reputation of savings more than actual pricing.  But also, it's groceries so we're talking pennies here.  Of course prepared foods (where stores make their money) will be expensive but some students (and their parents) will pay for it.

I agree with this.  And the grocery business is getting saturated in the Milwaukee area right now.  Don't know what it's like across the rest of the fruited plain, but by my count we have:

1. Pic 'n Save (now owned by Roundy's, a division of Kroger's) and its ancillary stores (Metro Markets)
2. Sendik's
3. Meijer
4. Woodman's
5. Whole Foods
6. Outpost
7. Wal Mart grocery's (some are free standing grocery only)
8. Target
9. Cermak
10. Trader Joe's
11.  Fresh Thyme
12. Sentry, including Metcalfe's

I'm probably missing a few, and I'm not considering the specialty outfits likes Bunzel's/Glorioso's/Rupena's   As such, the price competition is crazy tight. 
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: THRILLHO on June 28, 2017, 01:25:41 PM
They were also instrumental in getting the city to close down an apartment complex that was basically a drug den. 

It was bittersweet to see my senior housing closed down.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: RideMyBuycks on June 28, 2017, 01:28:47 PM
I've worked in grocery for a while - a store is only as expensive as the customer makes it. I can survive on a $200/month Whole Foods budget just as well as I can on a $200/month Cub Foods budget. Learn how avoid waste, shop promotions and sales, learn to preserve your food longer, don't eat steak every night, etc.

Shopping at Sendik's may be more expensive for us brand loyalist, but those millennials don't give a care.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: jsglow on June 28, 2017, 01:48:59 PM
One of the key things is that the store will only be 4800 square feet. And Sendik's has already stated publicly that it caters its individual store to the local community.  The Sendik's on campus won't be an exact repeat of a Sendik's in Bayshore. Different target audience.  But if you think about it, one of its features, individual sized ready to cook meals, fits perfectly with a student body.

This is a HUGE win for Marquette. And the observant should take note that the store will be located inside Marquette owned property.  I have no specifics to offer other than to say that financial viability had been cited by numerous prospective retailers during the 2 year search and that Marquette is the landlord.  I trust you can do the math here.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: jsglow on June 28, 2017, 01:59:30 PM
This is all great stuff.  Thanks for the info, Chick.  Marquette has come a long way since I was there...and I suspect is almost unrecognizable from the last time I was there (more than 20 years).  I'm happy to hear they are doing so well.  I've still got two chances to get one of mine there.  I'm planning to take a road trip next fall (2018) on the weekend my daughter plays at MU and DePaul.  I can hardly wait.

In short, yep.

You should visit as you mention.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2017, 02:11:10 PM
Here's da thin' many of y'all may knot reelize. Dis will bee Sendik's first store in da city of Milwaukee. All 14 locations are in suburban communities, hey?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: KampusFoods on June 28, 2017, 02:16:46 PM
KAMPUS FOODS >>>>>>>>>>
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: The Lens on June 28, 2017, 02:24:55 PM
Marquette Foods > Dany's > Kampus Foods

The OP where store manager Randy would "socialize" with students in the cooler is in a whole different category.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: T-Bone on June 28, 2017, 02:33:33 PM
KAMPUS FOODS >>>>>>>>>>

Winner! 
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: brewcity77 on June 28, 2017, 02:59:42 PM
1) No immediate relationship
2) If you do a real comparison shop, you'll find P&S costs more.  They rely on their reputation of savings more than actual pricing.  But also, it's groceries so we're talking pennies here.  Of course prepared foods (where stores make their money) will be expensive but some students (and their parents) will pay for it.

Pick's prices are horrible. If it isn't on sale, it's overpriced, and sometimes even then it's overpriced. I remember one coffee creamer my wife liked selling for $2.99 at PnS, then going on sale for $1.99. The same item's regular price at Woodman's was $1.59. That's an extreme, but it's fairly normal to find items at Pick costing $1-2 more than the same item at Woodman's. I'd guess an average comparison shop would find Pick's prices to be about 125-150% higher than Woodman's, and I truly don't think that's an overexaggeration at all. But they've dominated the market for so long that people keep coming back on the basis of familiarity.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Newsdreams on June 28, 2017, 03:23:52 PM
I agree with this.  And the grocery business is getting saturated in the Milwaukee area right now.  Don't know what it's like across the rest of the fruited plain, but by my count we have:

1. Pic 'n Save (now owned by Roundy's, a division of Kroger's) and its ancillary stores (Metro Markets)
2. Sendik's
3. Meijer
4. Woodman's
5. Whole Foods Amazon
6. Outpost
7. Wal Mart grocery's (some are free standing grocery only)
8. Target
9. Cermak
10. Trader Joe's
11.  Fresh Thyme
12. Sentry, including Metcalfe's

I'm probably missing a few, and I'm not considering the specialty outfits likes Bunzel's/Glorioso's/Rupena's   As such, the price competition is crazy tight.
:P
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: source? on June 28, 2017, 03:27:47 PM
Here's da thin' many of y'all may knot reelize. Dis will bee Sendik's first store in da city of Milwaukee. All 14 locations are in suburban communities, hey?

There's one on the corner of downer and park.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2017, 03:34:22 PM
There's one on the corner of downer and park.


Different family, hey?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 28, 2017, 03:53:32 PM
I would have killed for a grocery store on campus. I used to have to take the bus to the store (or bum a ride from SaveOD). I didn't have a meal plan after being an RA (where I got it as part of my compensation). I can make grocery store food go a lot father for a lot cheaper than I could a meal plan.

I remember Marquette ran a shuttle bus on Saturdays to Pick 'N Save out by Miller Brewing.

When I was out for reunion in Summer 2016 I visited a Pick 'N Save that was on the end of the Viaduct.  They said Marquette students always came but they said the store was closing in September 2016.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 28, 2017, 04:01:18 PM
Save-On Foods at 20th and Clybourn, no matta?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: MUBurrow on June 28, 2017, 04:15:08 PM
Save-On Foods at 20th and Clybourn, no matta?

Bout damn time someone gives Save-On a shout. Palermo's that fell off the truck for two bucks. Hit em with a little hot sauce and ranch and they clean up real nice.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: mu_hilltopper on June 28, 2017, 04:23:28 PM
How is Freeway's favorite store, Aldi, not part of this discussion?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: brewcity77 on June 28, 2017, 04:48:15 PM
How is Freeway's favorite store, Aldi, not part of this discussion?

I'm surprised there aren't more in the inner city. Prices are good, albeit with woeful selection. Honestly, though, Aldi has some of the best produce of any chain in Milwaukee. Far superior to Pick or Woodman's. The only places that are consistently better are produce specific locations like Pete's or Layton Fruit Market.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: erubiel on June 28, 2017, 04:52:55 PM
For those of us in the Thoma's/Conway's metroplex, Kassee's Foods on 22nd and Wells was tough to beat. 

Nice shout out to Save-On Foods. Took two guys to carry a bag of rice home from there...
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: GB Warrior on June 28, 2017, 05:24:27 PM
It's a big win for Marquette,  but I question Sendiks as the choice. No one on campus with their own money can really truly afford Sendiks, so as others have said, it will be those that are spending Mom and Dads money. When I was in school, I might have gone for their ready-made meals every now and again as a Jr and Senior over Qdoba or other fast food, but more often than not, I would have still driven to Pick n Save at Ogden.

The bigger concern is that it seems like a missed opportunity for the surrounding community. Its location - in the heart of campus - and prices leave them in a good desert. There's a Cermak going in at Grand Ave,  but they missed a community outreach opportunity. 
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 28, 2017, 05:38:41 PM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54402.msg935336;topicseen#new

Other than the students who use mommy and daddy's Uber account to get from 2040s to the Sendik's and then use mommy and daddy's credit card to pay for said Sendik's trips, I'm not sure what college students would shop at Sendik's.

You really packed in all your unresolved issues in this one.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Cheer4MU on June 28, 2017, 06:00:46 PM
It's a big win for Marquette,  but I question Sendiks as the choice. No one on campus with their own money can really truly afford Sendiks, so as others have said, it will be those that are spending Mom and Dads money. When I was in school, I might have gone for their ready-made meals every now and again as a Jr and Senior over Qdoba or other fast food, but more often than not, I would have still driven to Pick n Save at Ogden.

The bigger concern is that it seems like a missed opportunity for the surrounding community. Its location - in the heart of campus - and prices leave them in a good desert. There's a Cermak going in at Grand Ave,  but they missed a community outreach opportunity.

Cermak at Grand Ave - has that been announced yet or insider info?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: GB Warrior on June 28, 2017, 06:19:07 PM
Cermak at Grand Ave - has that been announced yet or insider info?

No, I'm an idiot. It's in Walkers Point. I saw an ad a ways back downtown near GA and assumed.

So in other words, my point stands  ;D
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 06:37:57 PM
It's a big win for Marquette,  but I question Sendiks as the choice. No one on campus with their own money can really truly afford Sendiks, so as others have said, it will be those that are spending Mom and Dads money. When I was in school, I might have gone for their ready-made meals every now and again as a Jr and Senior over Qdoba or other fast food, but more often than not, I would have still driven to Pick n Save at Ogden.

The bigger concern is that it seems like a missed opportunity for the surrounding community. Its location - in the heart of campus - and prices leave them in a good desert. There's a Cermak going in at Grand Ave,  but they missed a community outreach opportunity.

You talk like Marquette picked Sendik's out of a pile of grocers that were begging to set up shop on Campus.  Getting any grocer to agree to put a store in Marquette's neighborhood took years of focused, organized work. I know for a fact that they approached every grocery chain that has a presence in Milwaukee, and a number of them gave it serious consideration before they eventually said that they didn't think they could make it work. 

For example, Marquette led this initiative by Near West Side Partners:

http://www.nearwestsidemke.org/grocery-challenge/

Anyone who gripes that the Sendik's isn't their store of choice for Marquette either doesn't realize how hard this was to achieve, or is an ungrateful douchebag.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: wadesworld on June 28, 2017, 07:03:39 PM
You talk like Marquette picked Sendik's out of a pile of grocers that were begging to set up shop on Campus.  Getting any grocer to agree to put a store in Marquette's neighborhood took years of focused, organized work. I know for a fact that they approached every grocery chain that has a presence in Milwaukee, and a number of them gave it serious consideration before they eventually said that they didn't think they could make it work. 

For example, Marquette led this initiative by Near West Side Partners:

http://www.nearwestsidemke.org/grocery-challenge/

Anyone who gripes that the Sendik's isn't their store of choice for Marquette either doesn't realize how hard this was to achieve, or is an ungrateful douchebag.

...or are simply voicing their opinion that it might not be a perfect fit.  There's nothing wrong with thinking that it's great a grocery store is coming to Marquette's campus and understanding that it's either Sendik's or nothing but still voicing the opinion that it would've been nice had a different grocery store been the one to step up and give it a shot.  Some might see Sendik's typical target audience, see Marquette's campus population, and think the fit may not be perfect.  Others may think it's douchey to do that.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 07:10:08 PM
...or are simply voicing their opinion that it might not be a perfect fit.  There's nothing wrong with thinking that it's great a grocery store is coming to Marquette's campus and understanding that it's either Sendik's or nothing but still voicing the opinion that it would've been nice had a different grocery store been the one to step up and give it a shot.  Some might see Sendik's typical target audience, see Marquette's campus population, and think the fit may not be perfect.  Others may think it's douchey to do that.

Let me rephrase what I said:

Anyone who gripes about Sendik's being the chain that is opening the store on campus either doesn't realize how hard this was to achieve, or is an ungrateful douchebag.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: GGGG on June 28, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
I doubt Sendiks is going to be opening up a full service grocery store like what they have in Brookfield and Mequon.  It will likely be stocked more with offerings that appeal to a college student both in price and in variety.  They aren't dumb. 
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: GB Warrior on June 28, 2017, 07:20:49 PM
Let me rephrase what I said:

Anyone who gripes about Sendik's being the chain that is opening the store on campus either doesn't realize how hard this was to achieve, or is an ungrateful douchebag.

Look, I understand the economics of this.  I don't doubt that it was extremely difficult to achieve. There's no other reason it took forever to accomplish. It's game theory - no one wants to be the first to prove that something doesn't work. It's why no anchor stores have been interested in Grand Ave for a decade.

I think it's great for Marquette. Walgreens has competition for toiletries and other products. And it supports a great Wisconsin based business, which Roundys no longer is.

I don't think it does anything for the community at large, and given the Jesuit mission, that's a bummer.

I'm probably a douchebag for several other reasons that my wife can attest to, but I don't think this is one of them.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 07:31:20 PM
Look, I understand the economics of this.  I don't doubt that it was extremely difficult to achieve. There's no other reason it took forever to accomplish. It's game theory - no one wants to be the first to prove that something doesn't work. It's why no anchor stores have been interested in Grand Ave for a decade.

I think it's great for Marquette. Walgreens has competition for toiletries and other products. And it supports a great Wisconsin based business, which Roundys no longer is.

I don't think it does anything for the community at large, and given the Jesuit mission, that's a bummer.

I'm probably a douchebag for several other reasons that my wife can attest to, but I don't think this is one of them.

You said "I question the choice".  There was no choice. And I was assuming that were the first kind of griper, not the second.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 07:34:49 PM
I doubt Sendiks is going to be opening up a full service grocery store like what they have in Brookfield and Mequon.  It will likely be stocked more with offerings that appeal to a college student both in price and in variety.  They aren't dumb.

Exactly.  Glow found this quote in an article about Sendik's that was published last May:

"Serve the neighborhood. While there are core things we do that are key to our brand (make homemade deli salads), we have to serve the neighborhood. That means selections vary by store because every area is unique. For instance, we know we’re going to sell a lot more Polish sausage on the south side of Milwaukee than the north side.”

In other words, they will sell what the neighborhood wants to buy.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: GB Warrior on June 28, 2017, 07:43:42 PM
You said "I question the choice".  There was no choice.

Conceded, though my post was meant more in the context of my disappointment on the limited scope of impact to the community.

Sendiks is not a store that wins on volume sales as much as the others, so it makes sense they're the ones that feel they can capitalize.

No ill will intended, but I would have expected more civil discourse from one one of Scoops best posters.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: mu_hilltopper on June 28, 2017, 07:45:58 PM
What the hell is 2040s?   And get off my lawn.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 08:43:49 PM
Conceded, though my post was meant more in the context of my disappointment on the limited scope of impact to the community.

Sendiks is not a store that wins on volume sales as much as the others, so it makes sense they're the ones that feel they can capitalize.

No ill will intended, but I would have expected more civil discourse from one one of Scoops best posters.

I suppose it is a little unlike me, but I know how much work went into getting this store, including a lot of work by our non-university neighbors.  I believe that getting this store is one of the most important things to happen at Marquette in recent memory.  It could literally change the face of the neighborhood. 

It has been proven in studies that one of the biggest obstacles to having middle and upper-middle class folks move to the Near West Side is the lack of a grocery store.  And one of the biggest obstacles in attracting students to Marquette is the economic state of the neighborhood.  So you can understand when the reaction by some to this news is "Pffft...they should have gotten a different store", it sticks in my craw.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 28, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
What the hell is 2040s?   And get off my lawn.

The 2040s is an apartment building at 2040 W Wisconsin.  Its name was changed in the past year or so to The Marq, although the oldtimers might remember it as the Bockl building.  It was the first of the upscale student apartment complexes that are being developed close to campus.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 28, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
The 2040s is an apartment building at 2040 W Wisconsin.  Its name was changed in the past year or so to The Marq, although the oldtimers might remember it as the Bockl building.  It was the first of the upscale student apartment complexes that are being developed close to campus.

I completely forgot about that. It really confused some of the new LIMO drivers when out of habit I would call it out as 2040s.

Another fun one was calling 7-11 as Open Pantry. I believe my freshman year was the last year it was OP.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: The Lens on June 28, 2017, 09:04:14 PM
This is not the Sendik's boutiques of the 80s / 90s.  They compete on with all super markets now and function like a traditional grocer.  If you cannot afford groceries at Sendik's you probably can't afford them at Pick & Save either.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2017, 09:05:33 PM
Youngin', wen due ya sleep, hey?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 28, 2017, 09:07:21 PM
Youngin', wen due ya sleep, hey?

Very late at night, and not for very long. Its actually kind of a problem.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2017, 09:09:27 PM
First thin' you and I actually agree on, ai na?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: real chili 83 on June 28, 2017, 10:16:49 PM
If they carry Sonoran salsa, they will make a killing.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 29, 2017, 12:46:12 AM
It's a big win for Marquette,  but I question Sendiks as the choice. No one on campus with their own money can really truly afford Sendiks, so as others have said, it will be those that are spending Mom and Dads money. When I was in school, I might have gone for their ready-made meals every now and again as a Jr and Senior over Qdoba or other fast food, but more often than not, I would have still driven to Pick n Save at Ogden.

You are the second person to say this. I have never shopped at Sendick's, its all HEBs and Krogers deep in the heart of Texas. Is it really that expensive? I can't imagine a grocery store that is so expensive that its cheaper to buy a meal plan or go out to eat all the time. Give me a 10 lb bag of rice, let me buy a little chicken and veggies every week and I can keep myself fed on the cheap for months!
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: WarriorFan on June 29, 2017, 12:50:12 AM
I remember going to a Cub Foods a mile or two south of campus.
Yep, Old Milwaukee was $1.99 for a case.  Cheaper than CocaCola.
I guess that dates me, but it was new then.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: CreanLover on June 29, 2017, 06:16:37 AM
Great news for Marquette, but I have to say some of our Pick N Save runs are great memories!

A case of Huber returnable bottles was something like $2.75
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2017, 08:59:41 AM
No oneder hour fookin' endowment is so pathetic, hey?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: jsglow on June 29, 2017, 09:13:43 AM
It's a big win for Marquette,  but I question Sendiks as the choice. No one on campus with their own money can really truly afford Sendiks, so as others have said, it will be those that are spending Mom and Dads money. When I was in school, I might have gone for their ready-made meals every now and again as a Jr and Senior over Qdoba or other fast food, but more often than not, I would have still driven to Pick n Save at Ogden.

The bigger concern is that it seems like a missed opportunity for the surrounding community. Its location - in the heart of campus - and prices leave them in a good desert. There's a Cermak going in at Grand Ave,  but they missed a community outreach opportunity.

The 'heart of campus' is somehow a problem? Please don't tell me that you don't understand exactly why the new grocery is located in Marquette owned property?  Remember, this outcome has been nearly impossible to achieve for the economic reasons stated.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: jsglow on June 29, 2017, 09:14:30 AM
I doubt Sendiks is going to be opening up a full service grocery store like what they have in Brookfield and Mequon.  It will likely be stocked more with offerings that appeal to a college student both in price and in variety.  They aren't dumb.

Winner, winner chicken dinner.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: jsglow on June 29, 2017, 09:19:07 AM
What the hell is 2040s?   And get off my lawn.

Are you serious topper?  You might consider getting just a tad more plugged in to your old stompin' grounds.  I also hear they're building a huge new dorm called Wild Hall and that McCormick is coming down!

Oh, btw, 2040 is now called the Marq.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Eldon on June 29, 2017, 09:30:44 AM
This will help recruiting.

It will also lower the acceptance rate.  I'd value a campus Sendik's as a 4-6 spot bump in USWNR ranking.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: The Lens on June 29, 2017, 09:36:25 AM
Campus grocery store thread now at 4 pages.  Peak Scoop.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on June 29, 2017, 09:44:35 AM
Hey, if you think that the people buying regular groceries have it tough, imagine how far you have to go if you need caviar and Dom Perignon.

Sendik's is a godsend, I tell ya.


And if you don't like the Sendik's, you can still take the bus to your grocer of choice.  Even if we go with the false assumption that Sendik's will be all expensive, high-end food, it's not like they are knocking down a Walmart to put it in.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: jsglow on June 29, 2017, 09:45:15 AM
I suppose it is a little unlike me, but I know how much work went into getting this store, including a lot of work by our non-university neighbors.  I believe that getting this store is one of the most important things to happen at Marquette in recent memory.  It could literally change the face of the neighborhood. 

It has been proven in studies that one of the biggest obstacles to having middle and upper-middle class folks move to the Near West Side is the lack of a grocery store.  And one of the biggest obstacles in attracting students to Marquette is the economic state of the neighborhood.  So you can understand when the reaction by some to this news is "Pffft...they should have gotten a different store", it sticks in my craw.

I know my better half got a little testy but the part I've bolded is the key. The goal here is to help facilitate a transformation for the entire near west side. The announcement yesterday has the potential to be revolutionary for Marquette.

One of the things that Mike is exceptionally good at is bringing various parties together to achieve a common goal.  In the last 2-3 years, two new privately owned multi-tenant residential properties kicked off, namely Ivy and the one currently under construction on 15th.  I'm betting that we'll see more construction cranes in the air within 24 months. There were those who believed that Marquette should simply buy up everything themselves to improve the 'buffer'. Mike's vision is to facilitate private capital investment by greasing the skids.  Moreover, he attacks the problem like any engineer.  Before this we need that.  If all goes right, the process becomes self sustaining.  The evidence of his initial success is unmistakable. And for that he earns our sincere appreciation. 
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: GGGG on June 29, 2017, 10:33:21 AM
I know my better half got a little testy but the part I've bolded is the key. The goal here is to help facilitate a transformation for the entire near west side. The announcement yesterday has the potential to be revolutionary for Marquette.

One of the things that Mike is exceptionally good at is bringing various parties together to achieve a common goal.  In the last 2-3 years, two new privately owned multi-tenant residential properties kicked off, namely Ivy and the one currently under construction on 15th.  I'm betting that we'll see more construction cranes in the air within 24 months. There were those who believed that Marquette should simply buy up everything themselves to improve the 'buffer'. Mike's vision is to facilitate private capital investment by greasing the skids.  Moreover, he attacks the problem like any engineer.  Before this we need that.  If all goes right, the process becomes self sustaining.  The evidence of his initial success is unmistakable. And for that he earns our sincere appreciation. 


Yeah but he communicates with the community via Twitter.  No good leader does that.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: jsglow on June 29, 2017, 12:10:14 PM

Yeah but he communicates with the community via Twitter.  No good leader does that.

HA! Back to the minimum wage discussion for you!
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 29, 2017, 01:23:09 PM
Great news for Marquette, but I have to say some of our Pick N Save runs are great memories!

A case of Huber returnable bottles was something like $2.75

I still tell people about that in disbelief.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on June 29, 2017, 01:28:08 PM
I still tell people about that in disbelief.

When I started homebrewing in 1993 I needed a source of bottles and buying them new at the Purple Foot would cost about $15/case. I ended up with about 25 cases of empty Huber Bock bottles by never returning the empties to Pick & Save. IIRC I paid about $5/case including deposit, I still use them today.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: vogue65 on June 29, 2017, 04:45:27 PM
After decades of trying, Marquette is finally getting a real grocery store.  A Sendik's, no less:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/money/real-estate/commercial/2017/06/28/sendiks-food-markets-open-small-format-grocery-store-near-marquette-university-campus/435024001/

Back, way back, in the early 60's we had a supermarket across the street from Schroeder Hall.  We even had a shoe shine parlor in the basement, I think, of the laundromat next to the supermarket.

What goes around comes around. 
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 29, 2017, 04:47:41 PM
Back, way back, in the early 60's we had a supermarket across the street from Schroeder Hall.  We even had a shoe shine parlor in the basement, I think, of the laundromat next to the supermarket.

What goes around comes around.

As in the lot north of abbotsford or are you talking about the AMU?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: vogue65 on June 29, 2017, 04:56:10 PM
As in the lot north of abbotsford or are you talking about the AMU?

I lived at the Abbot Crest Hotel for a year, but that's another story.
The supermarket, can't bring up the name, was north of the Abbotsford.
The store opened on W. Wells, between 13th and 14th, on the south side of Wells across from the dorm.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: CreanLover on June 29, 2017, 05:01:36 PM

Yeah but he communicates with the community via Twitter.  No good leader does that.
And never without an accompanying picture of himself.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Marquette Gyros on June 29, 2017, 09:13:33 PM
No one on campus with their own money can really truly afford Sendiks

Hey, it's 2017 and tuition is 40k/year. Nobody's on campus with their own money anyways...
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: jficke13 on June 29, 2017, 10:42:50 PM
As in the lot north of abbotsford or are you talking about the AMU?

I don't think the AMU was there in the 60s.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: keefe on June 30, 2017, 02:03:46 AM
No oneder hour fookin' endowment is so pathetic, hey?

Couldn't agree more, Doc. A grocery store is a major accomplishment? F#ck me. Who knew, hey?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Dawson Rental on June 30, 2017, 04:10:34 AM
Very late at night, and not for very long. Its actually kind of a problem.

Ah, the Buzz Williams plan.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 30, 2017, 07:02:43 AM
I don't think the AMU was there in the 60s.

Meant where the amu is not the actual building
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: vogue65 on June 30, 2017, 12:04:41 PM
Meant where the amu is not the actual building

Correction, 12th and 13th.  Probably a parking lot now, not where the "new" union is. 
52 years is a long time, in those days Wells was nothing but dive bars and liquor stores. 
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on July 01, 2017, 12:03:42 PM
A liitle brand marketing maybe?
Get future young profrssionala in the habit of going to Sendik's. Sounds like MU has given favourable terms to bring them in and it is a win,win.
#winning
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: auburnmarquette on July 04, 2017, 06:14:18 PM
The 2040s is an apartment building at 2040 W Wisconsin.  Its name was changed in the past year or so to The Marq, although the oldtimers might remember it as the Bockl building.  It was the first of the upscale student apartment complexes that are being developed close to campus.
I was shocked to see my old partisan apartment there on a recent trip - and see that Michael's across the street was there but no longer open all night or at all on Mondays!
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: Eye on July 05, 2017, 03:05:41 PM
That must be a recent change with Michael's. It was 24 hours and open on a Monday night not that long ago when I went to a Cubs - Brewers weekday series in September, wanna say like 2011. Still as entertaining as ever.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: warriorchick on July 05, 2017, 03:18:38 PM
That must be a recent change with Michael's. It was 24 hours and open on a Monday night not that long ago when I went to a Cubs - Brewers weekday series in September, wanna say like 2011. Still as entertaining as ever.

It's been within the few years.  Per my LIMO driver kids, there had a been a shooting or two there.  Not sure if that is the reason they changed the hours or not.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: SuddenSam on July 06, 2017, 12:34:43 PM
Other than Kampus Foods, it was only Kohl's on 35th Street or whatever.  Not fun that far off campus, but great way to borrow a grocery cart to haul our QB to campus party in the mall.  Fr. Raynor liked that one a lot as we chatted crossing Wisc. Ave. on way to the grass by Lalumiere.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: oldwarrior81 on July 06, 2017, 02:52:54 PM
... in those days Wells was nothing but dive bars and liquor stores.

Wasn't life great?
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 06, 2017, 03:14:59 PM
... in those days Wells was nothing but dive bars and liquor stores.
Wasn't life great?

The good 'ole days.
Title: Re: Dr. Lovell does it again
Post by: reinko on July 08, 2017, 01:01:34 PM
Y'all need to get Wegmans out in the MKE, that place is the ish.