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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: jsglow on June 22, 2017, 06:50:55 PM
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Crap. No reason really to follow the Bulls anymore. LaVine, Dunn and the 7th pick.
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http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bulls/report-bulls-agree-trade-all-star-jimmy-butler-timberwolves
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Crap. No reason really to follow the Bulls anymore. LaVine, Dunn and the 7th pick.
D. Wade?
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The Bulls and Bears are just trying to outdo each other for worst trade in Chicago.
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YESSSSSS! :D
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JFB is coming over for dinner next week.
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I really don't think it's that horrible of a trade.
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Well, it was nice seeing JFB play on tv occasionally. I hope I remember what he looks like
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D. Wade?
Paycheck for a year. Don't get me wrong, but DWade is yesterday's news.
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I really don't think it's that horrible of a trade.
Whether it is or isn't, the Bulls simply won't interest me.
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ECSTATIC!! Can't wait to walk over to games this year. I don't care for the NBA, but Jimmy may change that.
WE ARE MARQUETTE
Can't wait for bbq at Chili's garage with Jimmy & Mark Wahlberg
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Throwing in the 16th pick...awful trade.
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Surely this is the beginning of the end of GarPax, yes? According ESPN's charts, which, grain of salt, the difference between 7 and 16 is roughly an early second rounder. I would argue that in this draft, which is deep but the top 4 are a league apart, its even less than that.
And for that difference, you gave up JFB for a guy whose best skill is dunking and just blew out his knew, and a guy that was old when he was picked and bases his game on defense?
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Cost of livin' is less in da Twin Cities dan MKE South. So, good on JB, hey?
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Cost of livin' is less in da Twin Cities dan MKE South. So, good on JB, hey?
Haha - problem is that he probably only breaks even - Thibs is going to finish the ol' Dusty Baker job he started in Chicago and take 3 years off his career.
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JFB is coming over for dinner next week.
whatchyou smokin? :D
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Cost of livin' is less in da Twin Cities dan MKE South. So, good on JB, hey?
and the state ain't goin bankrupt
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whatchyou smokin? :D
Texas brisket.
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Gives me a reason to see a T-Wolves game, other than to see opposing players...
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So the Bulls traded an all star player...for that? Good lord they're incompetent.
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Cost of livin' is less in da Twin Cities dan MKE South. So, good on JB, hey?
Yeah... except when you have two places of residence. Ahwell, gotta spend somewhere ainerrrr? I may time my downtown stays based on Wolves games. Crazy. But, must support Jimmy
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So the Bulls traded an all star player...for that? Good lord they're incompetent.
And they used the pick on a guy that they already have on their roster.
The trade was bafflingly horrendous.
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So the Bulls traded an all star player...for that? Good lord they're incompetent.
Don't forget also (?!?!!) the 16th pick.
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Lauri can be sensational tho
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ECSTATIC!! Can't wait to walk over to games this year. I don't care for the NBA, but Jimmy may change that.
WE ARE MARQUETTE
Can't wait for bbq at Chili's garage with Jimmy & Mark Wahlberg
Been doin' some serious planning on this year's BBQ. Still goona be early October. Home cured and smoked bacon, brisket, burnt ends, ribs, and some other surprises. Bartenders from Lake Elmo Inn will be participating too. They make a killer mystery Manhattan. Maybe SPW can find his way over too.
Meat Coma. Might need the bambulence to take everyone home.
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Tanks for da invite, kin, hey?
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https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/878048620053790720
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Gets fooked outta supermax bread, ai na?
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Lauri can be sensational tho
I like him and wanted him on the Bucks. But the Bulls already have him on the roster.
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Hopefully JFB can break the tradition of superstars in Minnesota who can't get their teams over the hump
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Tanks for da invite, kin, hey?
Yer welcome 24/7, kin aii'ainnaaa. Grain free meal too, eh.
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Hopefully JFB can break the tradition of superstars in Minnesota who can't get their teams over the hump
Ya never know how these things are gonna work out, but an experienced star like JFB would seem to be a great addition to a team with young stars like Towns and Wiggins.
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Ya never know how these things are gonna work out, but an experienced star like JFB would seem to be a great addition to a team with young stars like Towns and Wiggins.
And Patton!
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I dunno, I really do like Lavine ACL isn't a death sentence unless your name is Derrick Rose.
Never seen the guy they drafted play and Dunn is better than what they have (playoff Rondo being the exception)
Jimmy just kept losing value and the Bulls ain't winning a title anytime soon so I'm not that bothered by the trade.
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I dunno, I really do like Lavine ACL isn't a death sentence unless your name is Derrick Rose.
Never seen the guy they drafted play and Dunn is better than what they have (playoff Rondo being the exception)
Jimmy just kept losing value and the Bulls ain't winning a title anytime soon so I'm not that bothered by the trade.
They just speculated that the Bulls might be buying out multiple contacts. Read that as Rondo and DWade.
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I dunno, I really do like Lavine ACL isn't a death sentence unless your name is Derrick Rose.
Never seen the guy they drafted play and Dunn is better than what they have (playoff Rondo being the exception)
Jimmy just kept losing value and the Bulls ain't winning a title anytime soon so I'm not that bothered by the trade.
Dunn is terrible.
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I dunno, I really do like Lavine ACL isn't a death sentence unless your name is Derrick Rose.
Never seen the guy they drafted play and Dunn is better than what they have (playoff Rondo being the exception)
Jimmy just kept losing value and the Bulls ain't winning a title anytime soon so I'm not that bothered by the trade.
Chi, they're going full Sixers.
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They just speculated that the Bulls might be buying out multiple contacts. Read that as Rondo and DWade.
May as well keep Wade in the books for another year. He ain't gonna win you many games at this stage in his career. Can tank with him on the team and save some money.
I just really couldn't care less about the Bulls, by far the Chicago sports team I care about the least. Strange coming from a kid who grew up in Chicago in the 90s.
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The Bulls and Bears are just trying to outdo each other for worst trade in Chicago.
Love every minute of it. How bout them '85 Bears tho they were something. ?-(
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May as well keep Wade in the books for another year. He ain't gonna win you many games at this stage in his career. Can tank with him on the team and save some money.
I just really couldn't care less about the Bulls, by far the Chicago sports team I care about the least. Strange coming from a kid who grew up in Chicago in the 90s.
Are you in England? Get some sleep son.
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As a wolves fan, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.
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Dunn is terrible.
And LeVine is a high volume scorer that relies on his athleticism and is coming off an ACL tear.
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And LeVine is a high volume scorer that relies on his athleticism and is coming off an ACL tear.
Lavine is a good player. Bulls fans will love him.
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Bulls are in self destruct mode. Started when they got rid of Tibbs. They are going no where.
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Horrendous trade. Bulls front office might be the worst in the NBA.
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Dunn is terrible.
That's a pretty hot take for a rookie playing under Thibs.
Maybe, I don't know, give him more than a season.
FWIW, this is a terrible trade for the Bulls.
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2 seniors drafted in the 1st round.
That's some bullsh!t right there.
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As a wolves fan, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.
They might actually be turning a corner. Adding JFB and Patton is a pretty good day....
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Selling Jordan Bell's draft rights is the icing on the $hit cake that was the Bulls night.
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Selling Jordan Bell's draft rights is the icing on the $hit cake that was the Bulls night.
Yup. Made a nice pick and then hand it over to the GOAT. And he's a perfect fit for the Warriors. He'll throw down 4 oops a night and grab like 8 rebounds a game while blocking 2 shots a game and having the ability to defend the pick and roll.
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Been doin' some serious planning on this year's BBQ. Still goona be early October. Home cured and smoked bacon, brisket, burnt ends, ribs, and some other surprises. Bartenders from Lake Elmo Inn will be participating too. They make a killer mystery Manhattan. Maybe SPW can find his way over too.
Meat Coma. Might need the bambulence to take everyone home.
Heck, this sounds good enough that I might be in! And I'm in Chicago LOL!
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How many years were left on JFB's contract?
I haven't been as ardent in following the NBA, but this trade seems really bad. So bad that there has to be some strategic element that I am overlooking.
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May as well keep Wade in the books for another year. He ain't gonna win you many games at this stage in his career. Can tank with him on the team and save some money.
I just really couldn't care less about the Bulls, by far the Chicago sports team I care about the least. Strange coming from a kid who grew up in Chicago in the 90s.
you couldn't be more wrong here-after the smoke clears, da bulls will have about $30 mil in cap space with a new line up including lavine, dunn and lorrie(or laurie?) i really liked what i saw of the lanky young az. dude from over seas, but the bucks may have gotten the athlete in dj-guys got the wing span of a 7'3" playa
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Ya never know how these things are gonna work out, but an experienced star like JFB would seem to be a great addition to a team with young stars like Towns and Wiggins.
Agree completely.
The Timberwolves didn't need another kid, they needed a man to help put the whole thing together. I will be stunned if they aren't a playoff team next year, and surprised if they don't contend for homecourt advantage in the first round.
FWIW, I am neither a Wolves fan nor a Bulls fan, just an observer.
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you couldn't be more wrong here-after the smoke clears, da bulls will have about $30 mil in cap space with a new line up including lavine, dunn and lorrie(or laurie?) i really liked what i saw of the lanky young az. dude from over seas, but the bucks may have gotten the athlete in dj-guys got the wing span of a 7'3" playa
SI says Bulls got fleeced
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/22/jimmy-butler-trade-bulls-wolves-nba-draft-grades-zach-lavine-kris-dunn
Fox Sports say the Bulls have no plan.
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/what-the-bulls-got-back-for-jimmy-butler-proves-they-have-no-plan-062217
What this deal really does is buy GarPax rebuilding time on their future. Dunn has been a flop. LaVine is damaged goods at this point and won't be anywhere ready to start the season. The third part is essentially Lauri for Patton. Lauri and Mirotic are essentially the same. When a deal is done with a superstar to completely rebuild a roster, it sure looks like this one was done for GarPax's self-serving survival.
The Wolves look like they just got considerably better, on the other hand.
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SI says Bulls got fleeced
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/22/jimmy-butler-trade-bulls-wolves-nba-draft-grades-zach-lavine-kris-dunn
Fox Sports say the Bulls have no plan.
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/what-the-bulls-got-back-for-jimmy-butler-proves-they-have-no-plan-062217
What this deal really does is buy GarPax rebuilding time on their future. Dunn has been a flop. LaVine is damaged goods at this point and won't be anywhere ready to start the season. The third part is essentially Lauri for Patton. Lauri and Mirotic are essentially the same. When a deal is done with a superstar to completely rebuild a roster, it sure looks like this one was done for GarPax's self-serving survival.
The Wolves look like they just got considerably better, on the other hand.
You can't call Dunn a flop. I'm not saying he's a star, but Thibs does not play rookies...ever. That includes Jimmy Butler. It was a source of friction with McDermott, too. Dunn could be a very good player.
I don't understand the hand wringing. The Bulls were a mess last year. It's the same thing as these people up in arms about the possibility the Knicks might trade Porzingis. Who cares? They're terrible and he ain't the answer to their problems. Jimmy is a nice player but has seemingly become a locker room prima Donna. Ship him out! And I love Butler.
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You can't call Dunn a flop. I'm not saying he's a star, but Thibs does not play rookies...ever. That includes Jimmy Butler. It was a source of friction with McDermott, too. Dunn could be a very good player.
I don't understand the hand wringing. The Bulls were a mess last year. It's the same thing as these people up in arms about the possibility the Knicks might trade Porzingis. Who cares? They're terrible and he ain't the answer to their problems. Jimmy is a nice player but has seemingly become a locker room prima Donna. Ship him out! And I love Butler.
This, the Bulls are going nowhere anytime soon. I love Jimmy as well but you're not gonna win a 'ship if he's your number one guy.
I really do like Lavine, so long as he isn't as mentally weak as D Rose was, I have no worries about him coming back from his ACL injury.
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This, the Bulls are going nowhere anytime soon. I love Jimmy as well but you're not gonna win a 'ship if he's your number one guy.
Not sure I understand this point. Who do the Bulls have now that is or will be a number one guy that's better than JFB? If you build the right team around JFB you could definitely go deep in the playoffs.
Jordan or LBJ isn't walking through that door in Chicago so whats the plan without JFB? Wade's gonna get bought out too.
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Not sure I understand this point. Who do the Bulls have now that is or will be a number one guy that's better than JFB? If you build the right team around JFB you could definitely go deep in the playoffs.
Jordan or LBJ isn't walking through that door in Chicago so whats the plan without JFB? Wade's gonna get bought out too.
It's pretty clear that the plan is to get young secondary pieces in place, tank this year, and hope you hit on Michael porter this time next year.
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It's pretty clear that the plan is to get young secondary pieces in place, tank this year, and hope you hit on Michael porter this time next year.
I guess, but that's a lot of hope: A) you have to win the lottery B) Michael Porter has to be the prospect everyone seems to think he is.
I'll admit, I'm not super familiar with Porter's game so I'll be interested to see how this season in college goes for him to see if he's the can't miss talent everyone thinks he is.
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I really do like Lavine, so long as he isn't as mentally weak as D Rose was, I have no worries about him coming back from his ACL injury.
So D Rose's injury problems are due to a lack of mental toughness? That's a new one to me!
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You can't call Dunn a flop. I'm not saying he's a star, but Thibs does not play rookies...ever. That includes Jimmy Butler. It was a source of friction with McDermott, too. Dunn could be a very good player.
I don't understand the hand wringing. The Bulls were a mess last year. It's the same thing as these people up in arms about the possibility the Knicks might trade Porzingis. Who cares? They're terrible and he ain't the answer to their problems. Jimmy is a nice player but has seemingly become a locker room prima Donna. Ship him out! And I love Butler.
Is there any evidence of this that isn't an artifact of the Bulls Front Office screwing up staff moves (Firing Thibs and replacing him with a soft coach in Hoiberg)?
Totally forgot about drama that happened this year when Rondo got mad at the way Wade and Jimmy were treating the rest of the guys both in front of the media and behind closed doors. NEED MOAR COFFEE.
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I guess, but that's a lot of hope: A) you have to win the lottery B) Michael Porter has to be the prospect everyone seems to think he is.
I'll admit, I'm not super familiar with Porter's game so I'll be interested to see how this season in college goes for him to see if he's the can't miss talent everyone thinks he is.
Every rebuild involves a lot of risk. But the Bulls have been in the dreaded middle of the NBA for too long and needed to commit to starting over. Jimmy wasn't taking them to the promised land.
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Is there any evidence of this that isn't an artifact of the Bulls Front Office screwing up staff moves (Firing Thibs and replacing him with a soft coach in Hoiberg)?
Yes. The majority of his teammates resent him.
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Is there any evidence of this that isn't an artifact of the Bulls Front Office screwing up staff moves (Firing Thibs and replacing him with a soft coach in Hoiberg)?
The media loves to think they know better and question John Paxson's every move but he's not stupid. Of course he's made mistakes (Del Negro) but he also drafted Jimmy, Noah, hired Thibs when people thought he was too weird, etc.
I don't have a link and was not in the locker room but there were signs (Rondo's Instagram) that Butler (and Wade) were not exactly helping the younger Bulls.
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Yes. The majority of his teammates resent him.
The media loves to think they know better and question John Paxson's every move but he's not stupid. Of course he's made mistakes (Del Negro) but he also drafted Jimmy, Noah, hired Thibs when people thought he was too weird, etc.
I don't have a link and was not in the locker room but there were signs (Rondo's Instagram) that Butler (and Wade) were not exactly helping the younger Bulls.
I forgot about the issues you guys are bringing up now. I had only remembered when he was throwing shade at Hoiberg, which I didn't necessarily disagree with at the time.
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Butler is under contract for 2 years. The Bulls didn't even get an extra pick out of the deal, they just flipped picks to move up 7 spots. And they took on a high volume scorer who relies on athleticism coming off of an ACL tear and a guy who couldn't beat out someone the Timberwolves have been trying to dump for years now.
Just because the Bulls won't be competitive with Jimmy doesn't mean you trade Jimmy for the only offer you can get that includes guys under the age of 26. There would've been a ton more value in hanging onto Jimmy and seeing who's looking to buy mid season or else you can get at least the same amount of value next offseason as you just got last night.
This was a brutally bad trade, regardless of whether the Bulls are winning with or without Jimmy the next 2 years.
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Butler is under contract for 2 years. The Bulls didn't even get an extra pick out of the deal, they just flipped picks to move up 7 spots. And they took on a high volume scorer who relies on athleticism coming off of an ACL tear and a guy who couldn't beat out someone the Timberwolves have been trying to dump for years now.
Just because the Bulls won't be competitive with Jimmy doesn't mean you trade Jimmy for the only offer you can get that includes guys under the age of 26. There would've been a ton more value in hanging onto Jimmy and seeing who's looking to buy mid season or else you can get at least the same amount of value next offseason as you just got last night.
This was a brutally bad trade, regardless of whether the Bulls are winning with or without Jimmy the next 2 years.
It's pretty clear the Celtics weren't willing to spend high picks on Jimmy. And no one else who want Jimmy has the type of draft assets you would want. Paxson has been exploring trading Jimmy for over a year now; this was the best deal available, no matter what people think his value is.
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I think being Marquette fans here, many people really overestimate JFBs value.
I certainly don't think he's a top 10 player in the league, hell he may have trouble cracking the top 20. I'm fine with what they got for him and I'd much rather have a god awful Bulls team than a mediocre one.
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I understand the Thibs doesn't play rookies or like rookies stuff, but Dunn is already 23 years old. That matters.
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I understand the Thibs doesn't play rookies or like rookies stuff, but Dunn is already 23 years old. That matters.
Okay, so? Let's look at Jimmy who was a 22 year old rookie as well, that rode the pine behind Rip Hamilton and Ronnie Brewer of all people...
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Okay, so? Let's look at Jimmy who was a 22 year old rookie as well, that rode the pine behind Rip Hamilton and Ronnie Brewer of all people...
The exception doesn't prove the rule. There were a lot of front offices that weren't big fans of Dunn during the draft last year, and there were a lot of jokes when Thibs took him about being an all defense Thibs type guy. Those exact fears were what bore out in his game last year. Sure he could become a different player at 24 while drifting on what's left of the Bulls riff raff roster, but you have to admit the odds don't look particularly good.
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Butler is under contract for 2 years. The Bulls didn't even get an extra pick out of the deal, they just flipped picks to move up 7 spots. And they took on a high volume scorer who relies on athleticism coming off of an ACL tear and a guy who couldn't beat out someone the Timberwolves have been trying to dump for years now.
Just because the Bulls won't be competitive with Jimmy doesn't mean you trade Jimmy for the only offer you can get that includes guys under the age of 26. There would've been a ton more value in hanging onto Jimmy and seeing who's looking to buy mid season or else you can get at least the same amount of value next offseason as you just got last night.
This was a brutally bad trade, regardless of whether the Bulls are winning with or without Jimmy the next 2 years.
This x1000. The argument isn't the binary of whether it was philosophically best to trade JB, its that once you answer that question in the affirmative, there was no way this was the correct move to make. As Ellenson noted below, I have to think this move means that the Celts weren't willing to deal in any of this year's pick, next year's pick, or Jaylen Brown. If they were and this deal still got made, GarPax should be sent adrift on an iceberg rather than just fired.
But even allowing for the argument that this was the best deal on the table last night, its not good enough to pull the trigger in lieu of rolling the dice that something better comes along this offseason or before the deadline, or hell, before next year's draft on a one-year rental. Very similar to the Boogie Cousins dynamic whether the Kings got a terrible return and the only defenses to the deal are to say either (a) "well, heck, you never know with these young players, maybe they'll be good!" or (b) "he was so terrible in the locker room, they had to make the deal now." I just don't think either of those are good defenses to getting pennies on the dollar for a player you've been dangling for a year +.
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I think being Marquette fans here, many people really overestimate JFBs value.
I certainly don't think he's a top 10 player in the league, hell he may have trouble cracking the top 20. I'm fine with what they got for him and I'd much rather have a god awful Bulls team than a mediocre one.
Advanced stats say you are underestimating JFB's value, but if your goal is turning the Bulls from a mediocre team to a god awful one I understand why you're ok with this trade - Mission Accomplished!
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2 seniors drafted in the 1st round.
That's some bullsh!t right there.
It's the way the NBA has been for awhile.
I wonder with the new G League setup, if the teams will invest more in 4-year players because there's more roster space. Or if they will see more room for younger guys to take fliers on. I'm guessing the latter.
As far as Jimmy, I can't believe Boston didn't have an offer that exceeded that. Did they just refuse to trade with Boston? Maybe the Celtics preferred George.
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It's the way the NBA has been for awhile.
I wonder with the new G League setup, if the teams will invest more in 4-year players because there's more roster space. Or if they will see more room for younger guys to take fliers on. I'm guessing the latter.
As far as Jimmy, I can't believe Boston didn't have an offer that exceeded that. Did they just refuse to trade with Boston? Maybe the Celtics preferred George.
There are certain assets the Celtics wanted to hold onto that the Bulls weren't willing to concede on. I have no clue what the Cavs were offering but they didn't have a high draft pick and it's not like they were about to part with Lebron or Kyrie.
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Yer welcome 24/7, kin aii'ainnaaa. Grain free meal too, eh.
Grain free? It sounds completely carb free!
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That's a pretty hot take for a rookie playing under Thibs.
Maybe, I don't know, give him more than a season.
FWIW, this is a terrible trade for the Bulls.
I never thought his game would translate to the NBA. Not a stellar shooter. Pretty high turnover guy for a PG. A high usage guy pushed up his per game stats.
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You can't call Dunn a flop. I'm not saying he's a star, but Thibs does not play rookies...ever. That includes Jimmy Butler. It was a source of friction with McDermott, too. Dunn could be a very good player.
I don't understand the hand wringing. The Bulls were a mess last year. It's the same thing as these people up in arms about the possibility the Knicks might trade Porzingis. Who cares? They're terrible and he ain't the answer to their problems. Jimmy is a nice player but has seemingly become a locker room prima Donna. Ship him out! And I love Butler.
It's not about trading him. It's about the putrid return.
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Chi, they're going full Sixers.
Or full Cubs circa 2010-14.
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Okay, so? Let's look at Jimmy who was a 22 year old rookie as well, that rode the pine behind Rip Hamilton and Ronnie Brewer of all people...
I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't think you get the NBA.
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I think being Marquette fans here, many people really overestimate JFBs value.
I certainly don't think he's a top 10 player in the league, hell he may have trouble cracking the top 20. I'm fine with what they got for him and I'd much rather have a god awful Bulls team than a mediocre one.
You don't know if he's top 20?
LOL
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Also
Dunn SUCKS
Guy can't even shoot free throws.
Wolves robbed the Bulls.
Last year they offered Rubio, Dunn(the 5 pick) and LaVine.
1 year later. Rubio isn't included. Dunn has shown he blows. LaVine has a torn ACL. They swap 9 spots in the draft and the Wolves still get a perfect high upside big.
Not gonna make people forget about Flynn instead of Curry but this was GREAT.
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I think being Marquette fans here, many people really overestimate JFBs value.
I certainly don't think he's a top 10 player in the league, hell he may have trouble cracking the top 20. I'm fine with what they got for him and I'd much rather have a god awful Bulls team than a mediocre one.
Jimmy Butler is a three time NBA All Star and was a member of an Olympic gold medal team. You just don't trade players away like that for peanuts.
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I think being Marquette fans here, many people really overestimate JFBs value.
I certainly don't think he's a top 10 player in the league, hell he may have trouble cracking the top 20. I'm fine with what they got for him and I'd much rather have a god awful Bulls team than a mediocre one.
Please list the 20 players currently in the NBA that are better than JFB?
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You don't know if he's top 20?
LOL
The Bulls we're never going to make it past the first round even with Jimmy. The only way they could get anywhere was to trade Jimmy, even if it means being terrible for five years. No big name free agent was ever going to come to Chicago with the current roster.
Again, not bothered at all with the trade and the Celtics weren't giving the Bulls anything reasonable to work with.
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The Bulls we're never going to make it past the first round even with Jimmy. The only way they could get anywhere was to trade Jimmy, even if it means being terrible for five years. No big name free agent was ever going to come to Chicago with the current roster.
Again, not bothered at all with the trade and the Celtics weren't giving the Bulls anything reasonable to work with.
My issue is you saying Jimmy might not be top 20.
He's pretty unanimously top 15.
Now whether he's top 10 or 12ish. That's more of a open debate.
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This, the Bulls are going nowhere anytime soon. I love Jimmy as well but you're not gonna win a 'ship if he's your number one guy.
I really do like Lavine, so long as he isn't as mentally weak as D Rose was, I have no worries about him coming back from his ACL injury.
One does simply come back from tearing his ACL.
What does it say about JFB if this deal is the best that the Bulls can get for him? Is he that much of a prima donna?
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The Bulls we're never going to make it past the first round even with Jimmy. The only way they could get anywhere was to trade Jimmy, even if it means being terrible for five years. No big name free agent was ever going to come to Chicago with the current roster.
Again, not bothered at all with the trade and the Celtics weren't giving the Bulls anything reasonable to work with.
Again, trading Butler isn't a bad idea.
A front office having a fire sale for Butler when he is still under contract for two years and trading him for a bunch of nothing is a bad idea.
Why simply take the best offer on the table yesterday?
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20 was an exaggeration but off the top of my head these are the players I would rather have than JFB, potential is taken into account.
Lebron
Kyrie Ehhh, changed my mind on Kyrie
Steph
KD
AD
KAT
John Wall
Westbrook
Harden
Lillard
Kawahi
Paul George
Fultz
Porzingis
Giannas
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20 was an exaggeration but off the top of my head these are the players I would rather have than JFB, potential is taken into account.
Lebron
Kyrie Ehhh, changed my mind on Kyrie
Steph
KD
AD
KAT
John Wall
Westbrook
Harden
Lillard
Kawahi
Paul George
Fultz
Porzingis
Giannas
Lost me at Fultz.
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Yeah... except when you have two places of residence. Ahwell, gotta spend somewhere ainerrrr? I may time my downtown stays based on Wolves games. Crazy. But, must support Jimmy
No reason for Jimmy to keep a Chicago place
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20 was an exaggeration but off the top of my head these are the players I would rather have than JFB, potential is taken into account.
Lebron
Kyrie Ehhh, changed my mind on Kyrie
Steph
KD
AD
KAT
John Wall
Westbrook
Harden
Lillard
Kawahi
Paul George
Fultz
Porzingis
Giannas
Porzingis??? Cmon...
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20 was an exaggeration but off the top of my head these are the players I would rather have than JFB, potential is taken into account.
Lebron
Kyrie Ehhh, changed my mind on Kyrie
Steph
KD
AD
KAT
John Wall
Westbrook
Harden
Lillard
Kawahi
Paul George
Fultz
Porzingis
Giannas
I'll join in
Lillard??
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Also, i think the Celts are being let off the hook too easy today. How could they not have beaten this? Off the top of my head, there's about 10 permutations that could have gotten them Jimmy without significantly reducing the assets they've got sitting around - especially after the deal to get an extra top-5 first from Phi next year. If I'm Chicago, I take Jaylen Brown and another top 10 pick long before this deal.
Over the next couple of years, here are Boston's first round picks:
2017 #3
2018: BKN, LAL (if between 2-5), Bos
2019: If no LAL 2018, highest of Phi or Sac (top 1 protected), Mem (top 8 protected), LAC (top 14 protected), Bos
2020: Mem (if no 2019, top 6 protected), LAC (if no 2019, top 14 protected), Bos
Lord, that's 8 first rounders over 4 years. Including last night, 3 of those look like top 5 picks. Another 2 should be in the middle of the first. And that's all assuming Boston never has a down year and picks at the end of the round over the next three years. Two out of the pool of Jaylen Brown and the 2017 #3, the BKN pick, and the LAL pick would have to have gotten the job done, and would still leave Boston with at least two players drafted in the top 5 to pair with Thomas, JFB, and hopefully another top free agent.
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Lost me at Fultz.
Yeah...I don't even know if Fultz will end up a top-5 player in this draft. Numbers-wise, probably, but I'm not that confident he'll be better than Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox, or Ntilikina. The kid has talent, sure, but if I'm a Philly fan, I'd be awfully leery of a team that seems to be building its foundation on guys that couldn't win in college.
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Porzingis??? Cmon...
Trending in a very similar to Giannas, also bonus points for being stuck playing with Melo and the Knicks.
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20 was an exaggeration but off the top of my head these are the players I would rather have than JFB, potential is taken into account.
Lebron
Kyrie Ehhh, changed my mind on Kyrie
Steph
KD
AD
KAT
John Wall
Westbrook
Harden
Lillard
Kawahi
Paul George
Fultz
Porzingis
Giannas
George and Jimmy are the same player except jimmy is better at assists...
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Yeah...I don't even know if Fultz will end up a top-5 player in this draft. Numbers-wise, probably, but I'm not that confident he'll be better than Ball, Tatum, Jackson, Fox, or Ntilikina. The kid has talent, sure, but if I'm a Philly fan, I'd be awfully leery of a team that seems to be building its foundation on guys that couldn't win in college.
I'm pretty sure he meant "Fulce," who, at this point, the Bulls might have actually given up Jimmy for.
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Trending in a very similar to Giannas, also bonus points for being stuck playing with Melo and the Knicks.
But he's not as good a player as Jimmy is right now. That's really not debatable.
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Trending in a very similar to Giannas, also bonus points for being stuck playing with Melo and the Knicks.
Yes and Jordan at one time was trending to be great but nobody would say he was Better than Magic in the 80s.
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Yes and Jordan at one time was trending to be great but nobody would say he was Better than Magic in the 80s.
It's like nobody read that I said players I'd rather have then Jimmy, not players better than Jimmy...
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It's like nobody read that I said players I'd rather have then Jimmy, not players better than Jimmy...
I read it
Lillard makes no sense
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It's like nobody read that I said players I'd rather have then Jimmy, not players better than Jimmy...
But Porzingas? I mean the guy had a nice rookie year, fell a little back this year, but you would rather have him than a three time NBA all star who is a proven NBA player in his prime?
Glad you aren't a GM.
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But Porzingas? I mean the guy had a nice rookie year, fell a little back this year, but you would rather have him than a three time NBA all star who is a proven NBA player in his prime?
Glad you aren't a GM.
Fell back? He averaged like19 and 7 and shot nearly 40% from 3. Plus he's six years younger than Jimmy and a 7 footer with guard skills. Bulls ain't going anywhere fast with or without Jimmy. Again, this trade is going to mean very little for both teams in a few years.
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Again, you keep mixing up two concepts:
1. Trading Jimmy because the "Bulls aren't going anywhere with him" is a solid decision. He's not the kind of guy you build around.
2. Trading him for who they got was a poor decision.
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Maybe, but I still don't think that they were ever gonna get a ton for him. Maybe another first rounder (keeping their own) but that's probably about it.
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Yes and Jordan at one time was trending to be great but nobody would say he was Better than Magic in the 80s.
For the totality of the decade, maybe not, but by the end of the decade there were plenty arguing he was the best in the league. Led the league in scoring from 1986-87 until the end of the 1980s, won the MVP in 1988, the legendary Jordan Rules enacted by the Pistons to stop the best player on the planet...I know he didn't win his titles until the 1990s, but there was plenty of sentiment that he was the best player in the NBA before he won those titles and that it was just the rest of the Bulls roster holding him back.
Not sure how old you were in the 1980s, but I'd guess anyone in their 40s or older can attest that even before Jordan was winning titles, he was regarded as at absolute worst one of the three best players in the NBA well before the 1980s were done.
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Selling Jordan Bell's draft rights is the icing on the $hit cake that was the Bulls night.
Gotta pay for Luis Robert somehow....
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For the totality of the decade, maybe not, but by the end of the decade there were plenty arguing he was the best in the league. Led the league in scoring from 1986-87 until the end of the 1980s, won the MVP in 1988, the legendary Jordan Rules enacted by the Pistons to stop the best player on the planet...I know he didn't win his titles until the 1990s, but there was plenty of sentiment that he was the best player in the NBA before he won those titles and that it was just the rest of the Bulls roster holding him back.
Not sure how old you were in the 1980s, but I'd guess anyone in their 40s or older can attest that even before Jordan was winning titles, he was regarded as at absolute worst one of the three best players in the NBA well before the 1980s were done.
I was negative 1
Perhaps I could have chosen a better example but I think my point was still obvious
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I was negative 1
Perhaps I could have chosen a better example but I think my point was still obvious
I don't think anyone here is arguing Jimmy is Jordan, but your point was that he's not top-20 and you only came up with 14 names, of which at least two (Porzingis & Fultz) simply isn't the case as of yet.
Your own posts indicate that your obvious point was one even you don't agree with. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I don't think anyone here is arguing Jimmy is Jordan, but your point was that he's not top-20 and you only came up with 14 names, of which at least two (Porzingis & Fultz) simply isn't the case as of yet.
Your own posts indicate that your obvious point was one even you don't agree with. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wrong person ::)
People overvalue trading potential of NBA all stars. There's always a talk about a big trade deadline but nothing happens, and when it does you have the Pelicans getting Boogie for a first rounder and shield and the Bulls getting Jimmy for a high first rounder, Lavine and Dunn.
Gotta go through free agency like the Heat and Cavs or get ridiculously lucky in the draft like the Warriors did.
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I don't think anyone here is arguing Jimmy is Jordan, but your point was that he's not top-20 and you only came up with 14 names, of which at least two (Porzingis & Fultz) simply isn't the case as of yet.
Your own posts indicate that your obvious point was one even you don't agree with. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Umm brewcity I think you're going after the wrong youngin on here. I was pointing out Chitowns point about trending doesn't make much sense to rank them above a person now
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Gotta pay for Luis Robert somehow....
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JFB is in a better place now. The bulls are a dumpster fire and will be for several years. Thibs and JFB seem to connect, and I think Butler needs strong leadership. Seems like he can be a bit of a dick at times and a strong leader can keep him in check. The Wolves still aren't going to win anything with this roster but they'll be in the playoffs and should scare some teams. They need a shooting PG and shooting off the bench and then they could be really good.
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I'm probably more pissed off today about this trade than I was yesterday. I know I mentioned it on here before, but the time to tank/trade Butler was last year. Everyone knew this year's draft was really good. If you make the trade last year, you don't sign Wade/Rondo, and you're already a year in "the process". Now you've lost a year, you unfathomably gave up an extra asset to trade with Butler, missed a year to use Butler's trade exception money to take on a bad contract and acquire other assets with it.
I can't even get excited about the process because GarPax are leading the circus.
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I'm probably more pissed off today about this trade than I was yesterday. I know I mentioned it on here before, but the time to tank/trade Butler was last year. Everyone knew this year's draft was really good. If you make the trade last year, you don't sign Wade/Rondo, and you're already a year in "the process". Now you've lost a year, you unfathomably gave up an extra asset to trade with Butler, missed a year to use Butler's trade exception money to take on a bad contract and acquire other assets with it.
I can't even get excited about the process because GarPax are leading the circus.
+1
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Gotta pay for Luis Robert somehow....
I will gladly sacrifice the Bulls being good for the sake of the White Sox. Can they trade Wade and get Harper?
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Butler is under contract for 2 years. The Bulls didn't even get an extra pick out of the deal, they just flipped picks to move up 7 spots. And they took on a high volume scorer who relies on athleticism coming off of an ACL tear and a guy who couldn't beat out someone the Timberwolves have been trying to dump for years now.
Just because the Bulls won't be competitive with Jimmy doesn't mean you trade Jimmy for the only offer you can get that includes guys under the age of 26. There would've been a ton more value in hanging onto Jimmy and seeing who's looking to buy mid season or else you can get at least the same amount of value next offseason as you just got last night.
This was a brutally bad trade, regardless of whether the Bulls are winning with or without Jimmy the next 2 years.
Chris Herring of 538 supports your argument
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bulls-made-the-right-decision-but-the-wrong-trade/?addata=espn:frontpage
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I'm probably more pissed off today about this trade than I was yesterday. I know I mentioned it on here before, but the time to tank/trade Butler was last year. Everyone knew this year's draft was really good. If you make the trade last year, you don't sign Wade/Rondo, and you're already a year in "the process". Now you've lost a year, you unfathomably gave up an extra asset to trade with Butler, missed a year to use Butler's trade exception money to take on a bad contract and acquire other assets with it.
I can't even get excited about the process because GarPax are leading the circus.
Even if they traded Butler last offseason, they still may have signed Wade and Rondo ::)
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Bleacher Report had him raked 12th at the beginning of the year, for what it's worth.
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20 was an exaggeration but off the top of my head these are the players I would rather have than JFB, potential is taken into account.
Lebron
Kyrie Ehhh, changed my mind on Kyrie
Steph
KD
AD
KAT
John Wall
Westbrook
Harden
Lillard
Kawahi
Paul George
Fultz
Porzingis
Giannas
Lillard no (and I really like him)
Fultz no
Porzingis maybe
Wall probably, could easily make a case for Jimmy
Paul George push/slight edge Butler for no injury history
so that's... 10 maybe
Bulls gave up a stud in his prime on a great cap-friendly contract to move up 9 slots in the draft. LOLLLLLLLLLL
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I really want to know the how/why the 16th pick got put into this deal.
If you're going to tank, why the hell aren't you hanging on to Jordan Bell?
Ughhhhhhhh, I hate this team.
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Deonte signs with wolves too. It's all coming together!
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I really want to know the how/why the 16th pick got put into this deal.
If you're going to tank, why the hell aren't you hanging on to Jordan Bell?
Ughhhhhhhh, I hate this team.
Honestly, the trade wouldn't look as bad if they had kept #16 and taken a high-ceiling guy like Patton or Giles in addition to adding a piece at 38. Instead, they gave away both of those picks. Aside from just "throwing more darts," with all the one-and-dones, there's value available outside of the lottery. The Bulls decided not to take advantage of that. The ineptitude is mind-blowing.
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Guess JB learnt good in English class, ai na?
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Chicago, What can I say?! I truly struggle with the words because you've been so much more than just my home for the last 6 years, you've been my life! You've embraced me like a son and pushed me to get better every day, every season. I can honestly say that I have always been incredibly motivated to succeed; it's just the way I'm built. But I know I owe so much to the person I am now, and to the player that I've become, to you. You always pushed me to never give anything less than my absolute best night in, night out. That's what you expected. That's what you deserved. And, I hope you know that's what I dedicated my life to every time I walked into the facility or stepped on the floor of the United Center. Thank you to the entire Bulls organization and Reinsdorf Family for taking a chance on me in 2011 and for giving me the opportunity to play the sport I love for such a great franchise. I'll never forget the feeling I had when I was drafted and when I played my first minutes. It's an experience that I wouldn't have wanted with any other team and I'm so thankful to you for giving me that opportunity. Chicago, I love you. Thanks for embracing a kid from Tomball like one of your own. On to a new home and a new organization. Thankfully, with some familiar faces! PS... AND PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT! THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY BEHIND THE ORGANIZATION THAT DO NOT GET THE SHINE THAT THEY DESERVE!! YALL ARE THE REAL ALL-STARS!! - Jimmy G. Buckets (@staceyking21 )
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Wrong person ::)
Umm brewcity I think you're going after the wrong youngin on here.
Yeah............
That's my bad :-[
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Kevin Pelton's trade that was great for both teams before the draft was JFB for Jae, Tyler Zeller (salary dump), #3 pick and either next years lakers pick or 2019 kings pick. So that's what the analytics people were saying was a fair trade for BOTH sides.
Bulls traded Jimmy like he was a sunk cost, not an asset. They could have made this same deal after next season. Tanking only goes so far in the NBA with the lottery.
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Kevin Pelton's trade that was great for both teams before the draft was JFB for Jae, Tyler Zeller (salary dump), #3 pick and either next years lakers pick or 2019 kings pick. So that's what the analytics people were saying was a fair trade for BOTH sides.
Bulls traded Jimmy like he was a sunk cost, not an asset. They could have made this same deal after next season. Tanking only goes so far in the NBA with the lottery.
I can assure you the Celtics were not giving that up.
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I can assure you the Celtics were not giving that up.
Celtics wouldn't move #3 OR Jae.
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Celtics wouldn't move #3 OR Jae.
Exactly, for whatever reason the Celtics did not want to move Jae.
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Jimmy was third team All NBA. Again, it was the value returned. Desperation by GarPax
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I really want to know the how/why the 16th pick got put into this deal.
If you're going to tank, why the hell aren't you hanging on to Jordan Bell?
Ughhhhhhhh, I hate this team.
When I was stuck in traffic coming back into the city today, I heard ESPN1000 replay interviews with both Paxson and Gar from earlier today. Gar said nothing but stupidity and generalities. However, Paxson made me want to never attend another Bulls game until they are gone.
Paraphrasing: "We werent going to move him unless something of this great caliber of return came along. You guys don't know the real market for players in the league, the media knows nothing." Basically trying to rave about the return they got. And then got VERY pissy and bitchy when Silvy asked why a rebuilding team would sell a high second round pick and said its not something he's going to talk about.
Basically, the summary of the 10 min interview was "we have a plan, we got an awesome return for Jimmy, Wade is going to mentor all of our young players. We know more than everyone else"...all while never giving any insight into the plan and completely skirting the questions about why this deal was worse than the original TWolves deal they turned down.
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I think they just wanted to get rid of Jimmy because of his poor relationship with Hoiberg. And they chose at best a mediocre coach over a very good player.
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Gar said on the Score that they sold the second round pick because they didn't like anyone left and wanted roster flexibility.
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Gar said on the Score that they sold the second round pick because they didn't like anyone left and wanted roster flexibility.
Which is comical to say because they could cut Bell (or any second round pick) with no cap ramifications, and all of their roster flexibility revolves around potential buyouts of Rondo/Wade and the Butler trade exception. The second round pick is the easiest/lowest cost asset to walk away from.
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Which is comical to say because they could cut Bell (or any second round pick) with no cap ramifications, and all of their roster flexibility revolves around potential buyouts of Rondo/Wade and the Butler trade exception. The second round pick is the easiest/lowest cost asset to walk away from.
And you're a rebuilding team with MANY needs and you dont like ANYONE within the first 8 picks of the second round. What an absolute crap excuse of an answer.
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And that's all not even considering draft n stash. They didn't like ANYONE in Europe?
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My thinking is they're going to use the cash from the pick sale as part of a Rondo/Wade buyout. Which is the only rational way it makes sense. Agree with all above.
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Horrendous trade. Bulls front office might be the worst in the NBA.
Phil Jackson would like a word with you..
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Which is comical to say because they could cut Bell (or any second round pick) with no cap ramifications, and all of their roster flexibility revolves around potential buyouts of Rondo/Wade and the Butler trade exception. The second round pick is the easiest/lowest cost asset to walk away from.
100% correct, Dish.
I got to know Pax a little bit when he was a (very good) broadcaster, and I thought he would be an excellent GM and/or coach. In general, I am disappointed with how he has turned out.
He whiffed on Wade because he wouldn't include Donyell Marshall in a trade that would have moved the Bulls up in the 2003 draft, he used a high choice on Ben Gordon, he hired the ill-equipped Del Negro, etc. He misjudged Tyrus Thomas and Ben Wallace, though to be fair most observers thought those were good moves at the time. He got lucky with the lottery to get Rose. He did make nice draft picks in Noah - there were many who were down on Joaqim at the time - Deng and a few others.
Overall, a pretty unimpressive resume. I expected more.
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100% correct, Dish.
I got to know Pax a little bit when he was a (very good) broadcaster, and I thought he would be an excellent GM and/or coach. In general, I am disappointed with how he has turned out.
He whiffed on Wade because he wouldn't include Donyell Marshall in a trade that would have moved the Bulls up in the 2003 draft, he used a high choice on Ben Gordon, he hired the ill-equipped Del Negro, etc. He misjudged Tyrus Thomas and Ben Wallace, though to be fair most observers thought those were good moves at the time. He got lucky with the lottery to get Rose. He did make nice draft picks in Noah - there were many who were down on Joaqim at the time - Deng and a few others.
Overall, a pretty unimpressive resume. I expected more.
Don't forget his best move - drafting JFB at #30. Of course when he traded him for a couple of Yugos and a power ball ticket the moved was pretty much negated.
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Once Matt Lloyd left the Bulls, their drafts have sucked. Lloyd was responsible for making the calls on Butler, Noah, Gibson.
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Celtics were not going to give the Bulls ANYTHING. I don't know what other teams were offering but from what I know this was the best deal on the table.
Bulls are gonna suck (with or without JFB) for a minimum of five years, so sack up and deal with it.
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Personally, I thought the Bulls screwed up in two regards. First, giving up the 16. When you're trading a perennial All-Star, you shouldn't have to send an extra incentive along to close the deal. Second, selling the second round pick. For so many reasons, the two-way contract, the obviously intentionally depleted roster, and the occasional success of late picks, there's no reason they had to just hand Bell off to the Dubs. Is Jerry Reinsdorf too poor to afford payoffs to tank?
If they think Dunn is serviceable and Markkanen is the next Dirk, they might be one season away from having a foundation to compete, which means you want those developmental pieces. Not only did they give up their best player, they gave up a big chunk of their future. Have we learned nothing from Brooklyn?
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Celtics were not going to give the Bulls ANYTHING. I don't know what other teams were offering but from what I know this was the best deal on the table.
Bulls are gonna suck (with or without JFB) for a minimum of five years, so sack up and deal with it.
Time to jump onboard Chi. #FearTheDeer
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Time to jump onboard Chi. #FearTheDeer
All about the Pelicans, love AD. Though Khris Middleton is probably my favorite unappreciated player in the NBA.
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All about the Pelicans, love AD. Though Khris Middleton is probably my favorite unappreciated player in the NBA.
I admit to not following the NBA closely but when in recent times did the Bulls even pull off a half way decent trade? Look at Snell for MCW. Indicative.
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Celtics were not going to give the Bulls ANYTHING. I don't know what other teams were offering but from what I know this was the best deal on the table.
Care to rephrase this? Cause thats a pretty flimsy statement.
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Care to rephrase this? Cause thats a pretty flimsy statement.
I have a pretty good idea of what the Celtics were preliminary offering the Bulls and it was not as good as what the T Wolves offered.
Other teams may have shown interest that I'm not aware of but it seems the general concensus it that is was ether going to be the Celtics or Wolves.
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As a fairweather Bulls fan, I'm looking forward to being a Timberwolves fan next year. I really like the way their team looks, I get to root for Thibs again, and their front office isn't a complete dumpster fire.
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Grain free? It sounds completely carb free!
It will be a balanced meal. Carbs come from baked beans.
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As a fairweather Bulls fan, I'm looking forward to being a Timberwolves fan next year. I really like the way their team looks, I get to root for Thibs again, and their front office isn't a complete dumpster fire.
As a longtime Bulls fan, I refuse to spend a single cent on the team and organization again until John Paxson and Gar Forman are shown the door. How Paxson still has a job is beyond me. The only NBA executive with a longer tenures is Pat Riley. The dynamic duo have consistently overvalued their assets until it was too late, then sold them for pennies on the dollar (see Hinrich, Deng, Korver, Noah, Rose, Gibson, McDermott, etc.). Then, they finally say they are committing to the youth movement, but then sell their second round pick for cash. It is all a sham. They have no clue what they are doing, and have continually tried passing off a grand plan for competitive teams for championships. And, they treat the media like garbage as well. And who can forget when Paxson strangled Vinny Del Negro after a game for playing certain players too much? Absolute disaster in the front office.
I am so glad that Jae didn't get shipped here. It's bad enough that two Marquette guys won't win here. We didn't need a third to add to the pain.
I hope Butler and Thibs rock it in Minnesota.
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Idiots...and GarPax prepared to buy out Wade, Rondo and MCW. Gar brought us the Tim Floyd and has put a few NCAA programs on probation. Pax sucker punched his choice of coach. Scum of the Earth.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blogabull.com/platform/amp/2017/6/27/15867938/the-bulls-front-office-discloses-they-do-not-know-how-roster-sizes-work
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Gar brought us the Tim Floyd
Uh ... no.
Pink Floyd was a Crumbs production, through and through.
Krause LOVED Tim Floyd. Invited him to his kid's 1997 wedding and didn't invite Jackson, which perfectly captured the irreparable rift between Phil and Crumbs.
When Phil left, the Bulls went through the very transparent charade of "vetting candidates," but the job was Floyd's from Day 1. And then Crumbs convinced Reinsdorf to pay Floyd more than the Bulls ever paid Phil. The whole thing was comical.
So yes, Paxson and Foreman have been pathetic and both should be shown the door. But don't blame them for Tim Floyd.
Reinsdorf has almost always been a loyal and patient guy, so I'd be surprised if, especially, Pax is gone any time soon. Of course, I admit I was totally stunned the day Jerry gave the other Jerry the heave-ho ... so there's always hope for Bulls fans.
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My first job out of MU was working in the Bulls front office (ticket sales). I got to talk to Tim Floyd on the phone that day, asked him when Dragan Tarlac was coming over. What a time to be alive that was.
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Uh ... no.
Pink Floyd was a Crumbs production, through and through.
Krause LOVED Tim Floyd. Invited him to his kid's 1997 wedding and didn't invite Jackson, which perfectly captured the irreparable rift between Phil and Crumbs.
When Phil left, the Bulls went through the very transparent charade of "vetting candidates," but the job was Floyd's from Day 1. And then Crumbs convinced Reinsdorf to pay Floyd more than the Bulls ever paid Phil. The whole thing was comical.
So yes, Paxson and Foreman have been pathetic and both should be shown the door. But don't blame them for Tim Floyd.
Reinsdorf has almost always been a loyal and patient guy, so I'd be surprised if, especially, Pax is gone any time soon. Of course, I admit I was totally stunned the day Jerry gave the other Jerry the heave-ho ... so there's always hope for Bulls fans.
Gar was Floyd's money man at Iowa State and Crumbs scouting toady in Chicago.
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Gar was Floyd's money man at Iowa State and Crumbs scouting toady in Chicago.
OK, but Floyd was Crumbs' guy.
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Nice MU mention
https://twitter.com/nbatv/status/880459460128284673
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Did anyone give Jimmy a call/text today?
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Did anyone give Jimmy a call/text today?
I sent him a text saying I shot gunned a beer with him and Lazar outside OD in 2010 and he'd be missed
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I sent him a text saying I shot gunned a beer with him and sat outside OD in 2010 and he'd be missed
I saw he had over 4k messages
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I saw he had over 4k messages
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Did anyone give Jimmy a call/text today?
Scoopers:
For your speed dial update:
JFB (T-Wolves) ; cell: (773) 899 6071
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according to some one they showed on the news this morning, Jimmie gave out some one else's number and he's getting a lot of calls
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Story was the random guys phone was one digit off. Still getting Jimmy calls.
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It's funny ... but I'm guessing that gentleman is not particularly amused.
JFB owes him a nice dinner and two tickets to a game. Seriously.
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JFB's house is for sale.
https://chicago.curbed.com/2017/7/11/15953428/chicago-bulls-jimmy-butler-river-north-mansion-house
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Kinda diggin' da shoe room. Nice touch, hey?