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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Benny B on May 11, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
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Two questions:
1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop? i.e. is there any chance that Howard the Duck might get a reboot in Phase 4?
2) Have the Guardians usurped the role as center of the MCU?
Fun facts:
-Howard the Duck was the first Marvel feature film (and it's the first topic of discussion in this thread... apropos).
-It was Howard the Duck's failure that led to the rise of Pixar as we know it today (George Lucas needed money after Howard bombed, so he sold the computer-animation division of Lucasfilm (Pixar) to Steve Jobs in 1986).
-Besides Guardians, the latest movie to have alluded to Howard the Duck was a Pixar film (In Planes: Fire & Rescue, a secret video tape was hidden in a VHS-sized box for "Howard the Truck," presumably because no one would ever look for it there.)
You have to admit, a Howard remake would be an interesting spin on historical events now that Pixar, Marvel and George Lucas' soul are all owned by the same company.
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Please, God, no.
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Two questions:
1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop? i.e. is there any chance that Howard the Duck might get a reboot in Phase 4?
2) Have the Guardians usurped the role as center of the MCU?
Fun facts:
-Howard the Duck was the first Marvel feature film (and it's the first topic of discussion in this thread... apropos).
-It was Howard the Duck's failure that led to the rise of Pixar as we know it today (George Lucas needed money after Howard bombed, so he sold the computer-animation division of Lucasfilm (Pixar) to Steve Jobs in 1986).
-Besides Guardians, the latest movie to have alluded to Howard the Duck was a Pixar film (In Planes: Fire & Rescue, a secret video tape was hidden in a VHS-sized box for "Howard the Truck," presumably because no one would ever look for it there.)
You have to admit, a Howard remake would be an interesting spin on historical events now that Pixar, Marvel and George Lucas' soul are all owned by the same company.
It certainly seems to be that they are gunning for that. I think the wide range of likable characters in the movie (as seen by the massive commercial push of Baby Groot) has put them straight in the driver's seat. I enjoyed the second movie but it really felt like it was appealing to every possible demographic in a cartoonish way that they could even outside of the normal marvel fan range. Suicide squad's ill fated attempt to copy the original film suggests they know they have the winning formula.
Outstanding sound tracks too!
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Two questions:
1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop? i.e. is there any chance that Howard the Duck might get a reboot in Phase 4?
2) Have the Guardians usurped the role as center of the MCU?
Fun facts:
-Howard the Duck was the first Marvel feature film (and it's the first topic of discussion in this thread... apropos).
-It was Howard the Duck's failure that led to the rise of Pixar as we know it today (George Lucas needed money after Howard bombed, so he sold the computer-animation division of Lucasfilm (Pixar) to Steve Jobs in 1986).
-Besides Guardians, the latest movie to have alluded to Howard the Duck was a Pixar film (In Planes: Fire & Rescue, a secret video tape was hidden in a VHS-sized box for "Howard the Truck," presumably because no one would ever look for it there.)
You have to admit, a Howard remake would be an interesting spin on historical events now that Pixar, Marvel and George Lucas' soul are all owned by the same company.
First of all, I forgot that Howard the Duck was yet another GL abomination. God bless Star Wars, but other than A New Hope, Lucas has been a complete disaster when left to his own devices (Empire was Kirschner, original Indiana Jones was Spielberg, etc)
As far as mega-flop, does rebooting Land of the Lost count?
Guardians as MCU center, I dunno. I actually think Deadpool might take that title at somepoint, simply because once Infinity Wars happens I don't know how you can spin Guardians and Avengers back out. They are going to have to kill characters(ie actors) in Infinity Wars so they can bring the characters back with new actors (Winter Soldier or Falcon as Captain America, War Machine as Iron Man, etc) so Avengers as the center is out. I don't know how Guardians holds the center as anything other then a fun, quirky crew movie. Deadpool unifies all the Marvel properties (X-Men, Spider-man, Avengers, etc) at least within the current movies and Disney desperately wants to bring X-Men and Spider-man back into the fold.
Lastly, I would get zero pleasure from having Howard the Duck on any digital screen ever again.
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It certainly seems to be that they are gunning for that. I think the wide range of likable characters in the movie (as seen by the massive commercial push of Baby Groot) has put them straight in the driver's seat. I enjoyed the second movie but it really felt like it was appealing to every possible demographic in a cartoonish way that they could even outside of the normal marvel fan range. Suicide squad's ill fated attempt to copy the original film suggests they know they have the winning formula.
Outstanding sound tracks too!
It goes to show you, when you have talent (actors, directors, and writers) and let them do their thing, people will watch. I'm hopeful all of this represents an age where Hollywood stops micro-managing the crap out of stuff.
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Comic book movie remake I'd love to see is The Rocketeer. I loved that movie (peak Jennifer Connolly) but I think it would be a very interesting remake.
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Two questions:
1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop?
Doctor Doolittle was a big money and critical loser in 1967. The late 90s remake made pretty good cash and was somewhat favorably reviewed.
Not sure this counts, but the 70s version of Great Gatsby was a flop while the 2013 version was very much a success.
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First of all, I forgot that Howard the Duck was yet another GL abomination. God bless Star Wars, but other than A New Hope, Lucas has been a complete disaster when left to his own devices (Empire was Kirschner, original Indiana Jones was Spielberg, etc)
As far as mega-flop, does rebooting Land of the Lost count?
Guardians as MCU center, I dunno. I actually think Deadpool might take that title at somepoint, simply because once Infinity Wars happens I don't know how you can spin Guardians and Avengers back out. They are going to have to kill characters(ie actors) in Infinity Wars so they can bring the characters back with new actors (Winter Soldier or Falcon as Captain America, War Machine as Iron Man, etc) so Avengers as the center is out. I don't know how Guardians holds the center as anything other then a fun, quirky crew movie. Deadpool unifies all the Marvel properties (X-Men, Spider-man, Avengers, etc) at least within the current movies and Disney desperately wants to bring X-Men and Spider-man back into the fold.
Lastly, I would get zero pleasure from having Howard the Duck on any digital screen ever again.
Like all of the properties originating from the X-Men franchise, Deadpool is owned by Fox, and therefore technically not part of the MCU.
Yet, any way.
Spiderman's rights are controlled by Sony, but they reached a deal with Marvel Studios to bring him back into the fold with the Avengers. Ego is actually an X-Men property, but he's now MCU because Marvel cut a deal with Fox who got Negasonic Teenage Warhead in return. BTW - James Gunn didn't realize Marvel didn't have control of Ego until after the script to Vol. 2 was finished... luckily, it was about that time that Fox approached Marvel asking about NTW (Fox's rights to the X-Men properties was only for existing characters; because the NTW character in Deadpool is materially different from the NTW character in the comics, Fox needed Marvel's permission).
Confused yet?
So since Deadpool is not MCU, Howard may very well be the MCU character who is most directly connected (in the comics) to all of the other current MCU characters.
If you completely ignore 1986 for a moment, how could Howard not have potential today with Gunn or Russo/Markus leading the charge? Gunn himself is a big fan of Howard in the comics (hence his appearances in GotG) but hated the movie... here's a chance to right a wrong. Hell, team Howard up with Kraglin and spin them off into a new franchise.
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Howard the Duck is part of Marvel?
Wow. Who knew?
Idk about incorporating him into the current stream of Marvel movies, but I would pay to see Howard the Duck fight Darkwing Duck a la Batman vs Superman.
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I'm still waiting for the movie adaptation of Great Lakes Avengers, the only superheroes who are based out of Milwaukee.
(http://comicsalliance.com/files/2016/09/Great_Lakes_Avengers_1_Allred_Variant.jpg?w=630&h=960&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89)
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Like all of the properties originating from the X-Men franchise, Deadpool is owned by Fox, and therefore technically not part of the MCU.
Yet, any way.
Spiderman's rights are controlled by Sony, but they reached a deal with Marvel Studios to bring him back into the fold with the Avengers. Ego is actually an X-Men property, but he's now MCU because Marvel cut a deal with Fox who got Negasonic Teenage Warhead in return. BTW - James Gunn didn't realize Marvel didn't have control of Ego until after the script to Vol. 2 was finished... luckily, it was about that time that Fox approached Marvel asking about NTW (Fox's rights to the X-Men properties was only for existing characters; because the NTW character in Deadpool is materially different from the NTW character in the comics, Fox needed Marvel's permission).
Confused yet?
So since Deadpool is not MCU, Howard may very well be the MCU character who is most directly connected (in the comics) to all of the other current MCU characters.
If you completely ignore 1986 for a moment, how could Howard not have potential today with Gunn or Russo/Markus leading the charge? Gunn himself is a big fan of Howard in the comics (hence his appearances in GotG) but hated the movie... here's a chance to right a wrong. Hell, team Howard up with Kraglin and spin them off into a new franchise.
Completely forgot that Deadpool is Fox, at some point Marvel has got to find a way to bring all these properties back in house.
Side note, while I've always been a Marvel guy over DC, Batman was always my favorite superhero....until the DC cinematic universe has gone and cocked this all up. I am so far out on DC I haven't seen a single DC property since DKR. Man is there a grad school case study somewhere in there.
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I would rather see a reboot of BJ and the Bear than Howard the Duck.
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Two questions:
1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop? i.e. is there any chance that Howard the Duck might get a reboot in Phase 4?
Punisher 1989 (28% on Rotten Tomatoes)
Rebooted in 2004 (29% on RT)
Inspired a 2008 sequal/reboot Punisher: War Zone (27% RT)
Which has now been rebooted into the MCU on the Netflix series Dare Devil, and is getting its own spin off.
so they may not have "successfully" made a sequel, but they sure have tried.
Speaking of Punisher, Thomas Jade's will always be my favorite, and the spiritual successor he made was superb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc
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Punisher 1989 (28% on Rotten Tomatoes)
Rebooted in 2004 (29% on RT)
Inspired a 2008 sequal/reboot Punisher: War Zone (27% RT)
Which has now been rebooted into the MCU on the Netflix series Dare Devil, and is getting its own spin off.
so they may not have "successfully" made a sequel, but they sure have tried.
Speaking of Punisher, Thomas Jade's will always be my favorite, and the spiritual successor he made was superb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc
I actually really loved the Netflix interpretation of Punisher
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I actually really loved the Netflix interpretation of Punisher
Bernthal played it perfectly. While that show tends to drag a bit, their casting is impeccable.
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I finally saw Guardians 2 over the weekend.
Excellent!
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Completely forgot that Deadpool is Fox, at some point Marvel has got to find a way to bring all these properties back in house.
Something that I would think Kevin Feige struggles with every day.
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Something that I would think Kevin Feige struggles with every day.
while swimming in his Scrooge McDuck money vault
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I don't think there will be a Howard movie, nor should there be. He's ideal for the odd cameo, but can't carry a franchise.
As far as GotG being the center of the MCU...well they certainly are the heart of it. I could see them spinning a Cosmic storyline after Infinity War, bring in Nova, Adam Warlock, Beta Ray Bill, but the problem is you really NEED the Fantastic Four. Say what you will about Marvel's first family, but they have the best supporting cast (Silver Surfer) and villains (Skrulls, Galactus, Annihilus).
If they can retain a link to the Spider-Man properties (which seems questionable) for characters like Venom and Norman Osborne and add the FF, it opens the MCU up more than the X-Men ever would.
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Completely forgot that Deadpool is Fox, at some point Marvel has got to find a way to bring all these properties back in house.
Side note, while I've always been a Marvel guy over DC, Batman was always my favorite superhero....until the DC cinematic universe has gone and cocked this all up. I am so far out on DC I haven't seen a single DC property since DKR. Man is there a grad school case study somewhere in there.
DC has some solid tv series but I agree, I haven't watched film from them in years.
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I don't think there will be a Howard movie, nor should there be. He's ideal for the odd cameo, but can't carry a franchise.
As far as GotG being the center of the MCU...well they certainly are the heart of it. I could see them spinning a Cosmic storyline after Infinity War, bring in Nova, Adam Warlock, Beta Ray Bill, but the problem is you really NEED the Fantastic Four. Say what you will about Marvel's first family, but they have the best supporting cast (Silver Surfer) and villains (Skrulls, Galactus, Annihilus).
If they can retain a link to the Spider-Man properties (which seems questionable) for characters like Venom and Norman Osborne and add the FF, it opens the MCU up more than the X-Men ever would.
Fox made the mistake with Daredevil by allowing the film rights to revert to Marvel after 7 years of no exercise... rumor is that similar deals exist with the X-Men, FF and Spidey rights (though it may be less than seven years for X-Men). So as long as we see a new X-Men movie every few years - which we probably will since they've been profitable - Fox will retain the rights. However, Fox's latest iteration of FF in 2015 was a loser and the sequel - which was originally slated for release next Friday - was cancelled; along with the two sequels that were supposed to follow Silver Surfer, that now marks three FF movies that have been cancelled... and with Marvel having pulled the FF reboot from the comic stores, I think it's safe to say that we might have seen the last exercise of Fox's FF rights, meaning FF may be back into the MCU fold sometime around 2022... right around the time that MCU Phase 4 will be wrapping up.
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The new Superman was mediocre, but BvS with Batfleck was downright terrible. Bad acting, terrible script, and not at all accurate to the comics. More important than the lack of accuracy to the comics, though, was the lack of accuracy to the characters. Superman felt like a jerk, Batman wasn't a detective, he was just an action star with questionable morals.
Suicide Squad wasn't much better. The first half hour was basically a soundtrack advertisement (trying to be GOTG), the characters were flat (except for Rick Flagg), and it all felt predictably dull.
I'm hoping Wonder Woman is better, but I'm not optimistic. I think Marvel with Brie Larson has a much better chance than this DC venture. I know everyone said WW was the highlight of BvS, but honestly I think that's only because everything else was so bad in comparison.
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The new Superman was mediocre, but BvS with Batfleck was downright terrible. Bad acting, terrible script, and not at all accurate to the comics. More important than the lack of accuracy to the comics, though, was the lack of accuracy to the characters. Superman felt like a jerk, Batman wasn't a detective, he was just an action star with questionable morals.
Suicide Squad wasn't much better. The first half hour was basically a soundtrack advertisement (trying to be GOTG), the characters were flat (except for Rick Flagg), and it all felt predictably dull.
I'm hoping Wonder Woman is better, but I'm not optimistic. I think Marvel with Brie Larson has a much better chance than this DC venture. I know everyone said WW was the highlight of BvS, but honestly I think that's only because everything else was so bad in comparison.
I'm wondering (pardon the pun) how much of the positive reviews is because it's a good movie/faithful to the comics/tells a good story and how much is because it's woke (strong female leader, etc).
Comics have largely been socially progressive and aware but generally the cinematic universes have not and DC's has specifically not. So if a lot of the positive press is because WW is socially aware, that's fine, but I see no reason to believe it carry through to the rest of the universe.
Part of DC's probably is that MCU beat them to the entertaining as hell punch, now they have to find some other hook and they haven't figured that out yet and have shown no evidence they can.
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What's so interesting to me is that DC's tv universe is kicking the crap out of marvels yet can't seem to make a decent movie to save their lives
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What's so interesting to me is that DC's tv universe is kicking the crap out of marvels yet can't seem to make a decent movie to save their lives
Hmmm...This is a curious statement, I would put the Netflix adaptations of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage up against Arrow and the Flash any day... The Iron Fist though on Netflix was gutter trash
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Hmmm...This is a curious statement, I would put the Netflix adaptations of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage up against Arrow and the Flash any day... The Iron Fist though on Netflix was gutter trash
You forgot about agents of the shield. Personally I like daredevil but didn't care for the other MCTVU shows. Arrow was fantastic till recently and the flash is the perfect combo of funny and action. Can't speak for super girl or that show with the group that travels through time though.
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You forgot about agents of the shield. Personally I like daredevil but didn't care for the other MCTVU shows. Arrow was fantastic till recently and the flash is the perfect combo of funny and action. Can't speak for super girl or that show with the group that travels through time though.
Eh, personal tastes I guess, Flash just seems kinda cheap, and I agree Arrow is solid. I'm still a few seasons behind on Agents...
Curious to see how the Defenders will be this summer, fingers crossed Danny Rand will not be featured much.
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You forgot about agents of the shield. Personally I like daredevil but didn't care for the other MCTVU shows. Arrow was fantastic till recently and the flash is the perfect combo of funny and action. Can't speak for super girl or that show with the group that travels through time though.
I was wavering on Agents until this last season and I really think they hit their stride creatively and from a story arc perspective. Best season they've had by far and not just because I'm a huge Mallory Jansen fan.
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I was wavering on Agents until this last season and I really think they hit their stride creatively and from a story arc perspective. Best season they've had by far and not just because I'm a huge Mallory Jansen fan.
The family stopped watching Agents in Jan 2016. My kids said it jumped the shark in teenage speak and that it wasn't the same entertaining show anymore.
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The family stopped watching Agents in Jan 2016. My kids said it jumped the shark in teenage speak and that it wasn't the same entertaining show anymore.
Jumped the shark is teenage speak? Are your kids 50 years old? Because jumped the shark is a reference to Happy Days, when the Fonz literally jumped a shark on water skis, iirc. The show went downhill after that, thus the phrase "jumped the shark."
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Jumped the shark is teenage speak? Are your kids 50 years old? Because jumped the shark is a reference to Happy Days, when the Fonz literally jumped a shark on water skis, iirc. The show went downhill after that, thus the phrase "jumped the shark."
I'm assuming Nutmeg was saying that his kids used the teenage speak equivalent of Jumping the Shark, not the actual phrase itself.
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Jumped the shark is teenage speak? Are your kids 50 years old? Because jumped the shark is a reference to Happy Days, when the Fonz literally jumped a shark on water skis, iirc. The show went downhill after that, thus the phrase "jumped the shark."
I'm well aware of that hence my use of the prepositional phrase "in teenage speak." I translated their lengthy explanation into something recognizable to readers on Scoop.
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I'm well aware of that hence my use of the prepositional phrase "in teenage speak." I translated their lengthy explanation into something recognizable to readers on Scoop.
Ok, that makes more sense.
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You forgot about agents of the shield. Personally I like daredevil but didn't care for the other MCTVU shows. Arrow was fantastic till recently and the flash is the perfect combo of funny and action. Can't speak for super girl or that show with the group that travels through time though.
Agents of SHIELD knocked it out of the park this year. It's steadily improved since a rocky first season start. As Flash has rehashed the speedster villain storyline and Arrow has struggled for a compelling villain that actually builds on the first seasons with Malcolm Merlin and Deathstroke, MAOS has showed steady improvement and this past season was unquestionably the best superhero show on network television.
Sadly, Legends of Tomorrow has become the best DC show. Until Flash and Arrow actually progress their characters and stories, they've lost the magic they once had. Between MAOS and the Netflix shows, Marvel is winning on that front now too. That admittedly wasn't the case a year ago.
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Not sure that it counts as part of the DC TV universe, but Gotham is my favorite superhero show on TV right now and it's not close
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Not sure that it counts as part of the DC TV universe, but Gotham is my favorite superhero show on TV right now and it's not close
Like MAOS, it had a rocky start, but developed into a good show. Not necessarily a remotely accurate translation, but an entertaining show with a great cast.
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Like MAOS, it had a rocky start, but developed into a good show. Not necessarily a remotely accurate translation, but an entertaining show with a great cast.
There were some clumsy moments in the first season for sure, but I was hooked pretty much immediately. Their takes on the Penguin, the Riddler, and the Joker are some of my favorites that I have seen done. Fantastic casting for the villains. I like their take on Alfred as well. Not at all accurate to the comics, not even close, but entertaining as hell.
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There were some clumsy moments in the first season for sure, but I was hooked pretty much immediately. Their takes on the Penguin, the Riddler, and the Joker are some of my favorites that I have seen done. Fantastic casting for the villains. I like their take on Alfred as well. Not at all accurate to the comics, not even close, but entertaining as hell.
I think what Gotham has figured out, and MAOS has started to figure out, is what those in the MCU figured out early on. This is not about making superhero programming. It's about making quality programming thatfeatures superheroes. Captain America was a WWII movie. Winter Soldier was a spy movie. Guardians of the Galaxy was a space opera. Ant-Man was a heist flick. Spider-Man: Homecoming is a teen, coming of age movie. Thor: Ragnarok is said to be like a buddy cop movie. On the Netflix side, Daredevil and Jessica Jones both are different types of detective shows (mainly because of the disparate leads) while Luke Cage was an homage to 1980s-1990s black culture. What connects them is they all have superheroes in them, but at their core, the super-abilities are just a part of what make the characters interesting.
When the MCU is at its best, it is simply putting Marvel characters into already popular genres rather than defining a genre of their own. And at its worst, they are pretty much just making straight-line superhero movies (Iron Man 3, Thor 2) without any real traditional tropes. I think that's also why Iron Fist wasn't as popular, because they really didn't know how to approach him (they tried for a Kung Fu type angle, but Danny was a bit too much "man out of time"). That's the same thing DC does virtually every time out. I haven't seen WW yet, but Superman, BvS, and Suicide Squad were all just "cram heroes in and say action" type movies, which is a large part of why they were bad.
I generally watch just about anything comic-related that is put out, which is often bad because I can be a harsh critic. In Gotham's first season, I remember complaining on a weekly basis to my wife (who doesn't watch) about how poor a translation the show was. After saying the same thing maybe a half-dozen times, near the end of the first season, she asked me why I was still watching it. I realized at that point it was because despite being a poor translation, it was a good television show. It didn't need accuracy or superpowers, it was a detective show focused on Jim Gordon with interesting and familiar supporting characters.
MAOS has figured that out and while there's superhero connections, the show has more the feel of an ensemble action show, along the lines of Buffy or Angel. I sincerely hope when we see Cloak & Dagger and Runaways really embrace the teen angst, and hope Punisher is more than just "give Frank a gun and point him at Kingpin".
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Doctor Strange already on Netflix. That deal with Disney and the MCU already paying off.
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So here's the multi-million dollar question: With the impending Disney/Fox deal, all Marvel film properties (save Spiderman) are going to be under the same umbrella... given the chasm that currently exists to keep the X-Men and MCU properties separate will Feige & Co. attempt to fold the X-Men into the MCU? The mechanics of doing so would surely be messy, but with alternate timelines, multiverses, etc. being the norm these days, there's probably a way.
On the topic of sci-fi pipe dreams, what I would like to see, is Magneto and Xavier take on Vader and Kylo Ren.
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Like how to deal with Quicksilver who is supposed to be the son of Magneto and he corectly appears in X-Men and incorrectly in Age of Ultron?
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Infinity War blew the doors off any and all expectations. It was by far, by far the best comic book movie ever made. Every second was perfect. At no point did I feel let down. I'd say it was also probably the best action movie ever made.
It was amazing how they seamlessly wove so many plots and characters together. It maintained a serious tone while mixing in trademark Marvel humor. It had moments of high excitement, Easter eggs for diehard fans, and surprises I never imagined. It was sheer perfection. I can't wait to see it again next Wednesday, and honestly, I might not wait that long.
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Infinity War blew the doors off any and all expectations. It was by far, by far the best comic book movie ever made. Every second was perfect. At no point did I feel let down. I'd say it was also probably the best action movie ever made.
It was amazing how they seamlessly wove so many plots and characters together. It maintained a serious tone while mixing in trademark Marvel humor. It had moments of high excitement, Easter eggs for diehard fans, and surprises I never imagined. It was sheer perfection. I can't wait to see it again next Wednesday, and honestly, I might not wait that long.
I feel like it was written by game of thrones writers.
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Am I the only one who recognizes that Jim Gordon and wojo must be brothers?
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I'm going to see this on Sunday. Rehashing with co-workers some of the better and worse moments in the films. It's surprising how many varying types of people these movies attract. They're clearly not drawing just the stereotypical comic book fan or action movie junkie. Even my parents in their 70's are enjoying them.
Discussion today lead to this ranking. Anyone have an opinion on the list below?
1 Guardians of the Galaxy
2 Thor: Ragnarok
3 Iron Man
4 Black Panther
5 Dr. Strange
6 The Avengers
7 Thor
8 Captain America: The Winter Soldier
9 Captain America: Civil War
10 Captain America
11 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
12 Spiderman: Homecoming
13 The Avengers: Age of Ultron
14 Iron Man 2
15 Thor: The Dark World
16 Ant Man
17 Iron Man 3
18 Incredible Hulk
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1 Guardians of the Galaxy
2 Thor: Ragnarok
3 Iron Man
4 Black Panther
5 Dr. Strange
6 The Avengers
7 Thor
8 Captain America: The Winter Soldier
9 Captain America: Civil War
10 Captain America
11 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
12 Spiderman: Homecoming
13 The Avengers: Age of Ultron
14 Iron Man 2
15 Thor: The Dark World
16 Ant Man
17 Iron Man 3
18 Incredible Hulk
Here's my list post-Infinity War:
1) The Avengers: Infinity War
2) Guardians of the Galaxy
3) Black Panther
4) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
5) The Avengers
6) Iron Man
7) Captain America: Civil War
8) Ant-Man
9) Captain America: The First Avenger
10) Spider-Man: Homecoming
11) Thor: Ragnarok
12) Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2
13) Doctor Strange
14) The Avengers: Age of Ultron
15) Thor
16) Iron Man 2
17) Thor: The Dark World
18) The Incredible Hulk
19) Iron Man 3
I know I have Ragnarok a bit lower than some, and while I enjoyed it, I didn't have it quite as high as some others. I do need to rewatch that (it's the only one I didn't get back to pre-Infinity War) so maybe I will move it up. I love the Cap movies and feel that as a series it's the best there is in the MCU, though both GotG and Black Panther can give it a run. The first Iron Man I loved, the second and third, especially the butchering of Mandarin, rate quite a bit lower. I would say I really enjoyed the top-15 on my list, then it takes a sharp decline.
On your list, I guess the biggest surprises for me are seeing Doc Strange top-5 and seeing Ant-Man so low. I enjoyed Strange, but didn't feel it was top-tier Marvel, while I thought Ant-Man was incredibly charming, well-written, well-acted, and just fun. They really did the quirkiness of it well. By and large, I think the later IM movies, Hulk (largely because it ended up recast and from a continuity perspective is just kind of there), and Dark World are definitely the bottom tier.
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Just got back from IWar. I took my family and a couple of my son's 11 year old friends. They've seen some of the Marvel movies, mostly on TV and not in a theater, so it was kind of a big deal for them.
IWar .. wow. I realize people are putting this up as the best ever, and will hate the following opinion .. but .. the ending .. sucked the life out of the party something fierce. I felt bad for my son and his friends .. they didn't go home all fired up and excited, they were .. demoralized.
I get it, though, IWar Part 2, they'll time travel and reverse the bad stuff. So we got that going for us?
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My only complaint about Infinity War is how worthless Vision was. He didn't do squat.
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Aaand the Hulk. I figured there'd be a reveal at some point on wtf was going on there.
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I think the most important thing about the film is to understand that Thanos is the main character. Yes, it also features Steve Rogers and Black Panther and Doctor Strange and Starlord and all the other MCU favorites, but they are the supporting cast. Josh Brolin's Thanos is the lead.
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Here's my list post-Infinity War:
1) The Avengers: Infinity War
2) Guardians of the Galaxy
3) Black Panther
4) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
5) The Avengers
6) Iron Man
7) Captain America: Civil War
8) Ant-Man
9) Captain America: The First Avenger
10) Spider-Man: Homecoming
11) Thor: Ragnarok
12) Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2
13) Doctor Strange
14) The Avengers: Age of Ultron
15) Thor
16) Iron Man 2
17) Thor: The Dark World
18) The Incredible Hulk
19) Iron Man 3
I know I have Ragnarok a bit lower than some, and while I enjoyed it, I didn't have it quite as high as some others. I do need to rewatch that (it's the only one I didn't get back to pre-Infinity War) so maybe I will move it up. I love the Cap movies and feel that as a series it's the best there is in the MCU, though both GotG and Black Panther can give it a run. The first Iron Man I loved, the second and third, especially the butchering of Mandarin, rate quite a bit lower. I would say I really enjoyed the top-15 on my list, then it takes a sharp decline.
On your list, I guess the biggest surprises for me are seeing Doc Strange top-5 and seeing Ant-Man so low. I enjoyed Strange, but didn't feel it was top-tier Marvel, while I thought Ant-Man was incredibly charming, well-written, well-acted, and just fun. They really did the quirkiness of it well. By and large, I think the later IM movies, Hulk (largely because it ended up recast and from a continuity perspective is just kind of there), and Dark World are definitely the bottom tier.
Just saw Iwar... and it was completely ruined for me by the ticket taker who said:
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he said, with no buffer or any warning, "It ends with a cliff hanger, enjoy the movie."
What the heck?? I knew there'd be some sort of hook for the next movie, but the whole point of a cliff hanger is that it should be somewhat of a surprise. So as soon as Thanos got the 3rd stone, because of what he said, I knew exactly how it was going to end. I felt I should have been surprised a bit, but I wasn't. No wondering if it would bleed into the next movie or anything.. I felt like I was just waiting another hour and a half for the ending I expected to happen. That also kept me from having this movie at the top of my list.
As far as Dr. Strange and Ant man placement. Both were different characters types than the original Avengers. However, the writing for Ant man and the story line just didn't quite flow as well as others. I still enjoyed it, just thought it could have had something a little extra. Where as the Dr. Strange progression was much more fluid and he came a long way. The writing and intricacies around it had more depth to me. But pretty much all but the top 5 to the bottom 5 are so close for me that I could probably tweek it dozens of times.
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I expected it end the way it did because I have read everything with "Infinity ________" in the title. Despite expecting the ending, I loved the flow of the movie and how they got there. Hearing the instant reaction from other moviegoers around me was pretty cool, despite my anticipation of the outcome.
My big debate now is if I go see it tomorrow night. Thinking about driving to Lincolnshire to see 3D IMAX. I'm home alone so it's probably the only chance I'll get, but I'm also going to a 4DX show Wednesday, so it might be overkill.
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Infinity War was good. But not at the top for me.
I think Part 2 has a better chance to make that claim.
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Oh my God. So good.
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I'm going to see this on Sunday. Rehashing with co-workers some of the better and worse moments in the films. It's surprising how many varying types of people these movies attract. They're clearly not drawing just the stereotypical comic book fan or action movie junkie. Even my parents in their 70's are enjoying them.
Discussion today lead to this ranking. Anyone have an opinion on the list below?
1 Guardians of the Galaxy
2 Thor: Ragnarok
3 Iron Man
4 Black Panther
5 Dr. Strange
6 The Avengers
7 Thor
8 Captain America: The Winter Soldier
9 Captain America: Civil War
10 Captain America
11 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
12 Spiderman: Homecoming
13 The Avengers: Age of Ultron
14 Iron Man 2
15 Thor: The Dark World
16 Ant Man
17 Iron Man 3
18 Incredible Hulk
Ant-Man behind Thor 2? Thor better than Winter Soldier? May I ask why? It's your list and your opinion, so it's totally cool, but general population would disagree.
As for the movie, IW was fantastic. Also going in without watching the second trailer and any other tv spots was much more rewarding. Very difficult to do with everything pretty much accessible and in your face, but man, watching without any potential spoilers was great. Plan on not watching any trailers for the 4th Avengers movie.
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Ant-Man behind Thor 2? Thor better than Winter Soldier? May I ask why? It's your list and your opinion, so it's totally cool, but general population would disagree.
As for the movie, IW was fantastic. Also going in without watching the second trailer and any other tv spots was much more rewarding. Very difficult to do with everything pretty much accessible and in your face, but man, watching without any potential spoilers was great. Plan on not watching any trailers for the 4th Avengers movie.
Yeah, Ant-Man just seemed to be lacking something for me. I just rewatched it about 2 weeks ago and that affirmed my feelings on it. It just felt too disjointed in it's feel and in the writing. It was supposed to be fun, quirky, and humorous, ala Guardians or the last Thor. However it fell it a little flat in that regard. And to be fair, I recognize I enjoyed Thor 2 more than most.
That being said, from #5 down to 14, my rankings couldn't be more similar and they could change as easily as the time of day or what smelly topping my coworker's food had that put me in a good or foul mood when making the list.
I'm going your route for Avengers 4... will do my best to avoid teasers and trailers at all cost so that if I have a similar situation with the ticket person next time I won't be able to piece things together as easily.
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Rumor has it the title for the next Avengers movie will be Endgame. Not sure if that's Avengers: Endgame or possibly even Thanos: Endgame.
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I just got out of the theater...was it good though? I’m by no means trying to play Debbie Downer and generally I enjoy Marvel movies, but kinda thought it was alright, but also feel like that’s two and a half hours I’m not getting back. I didn’t read the comics, pay no attention to spoilers, and kinda figured things out as to the ending around the 2 hour mark. They’ll get my money again for the next one, but as a cinematic experience, kinda left me meh.
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I just got out of the theater...was it good though? I’m by no means trying to play Debbie Downer and generally I enjoy Marvel movies, but kinda thought it was alright, but also feel like that’s two and a half hours I’m not getting back. I didn’t read the comics, pay no attention to spoilers, and kinda figured things out as to the ending around the 2 hour mark. They’ll get my money again for the next one, but as a cinematic experience, kinda left me meh.
Went today, this is the perfect summation of my thoughts. It wasn't that great.
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Just saw it. Not sure where I'd rank it yet but it was fantastic.
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The amount of talent to cohesively bring together all those characters/storylines and give them all (somewhat) their time on the screen was the most impressive thing about it for me.
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Fun fact - Stephen McFeely, who co-wrote the Captain America movies and Infinity War, is the brother-in-law of a close friend of mine.
No, I've never met him or got any perks so maybe it's actually not that fun of a fact. Sounds like he's a good dude, though.
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The amount of talent to cohesively bring together all those characters/storylines and give them all (somewhat) their time on the screen was the most impressive thing about it for me.
They did a great job of making everyone relevant and creating the kind of interactions we've waited a decade to see while also moving the story along quickly.
The one thing I would've liked more of was using uncommon partnerships to create physical interactions. Strange and the Peters (Parker with teleportation, Quill with the jumping platforms) and Bucky doing the spinning hail of gunfire with Rocket were about the only really creative partnerships.
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I saw Avengers - Infinity War over the weekend. A ton of meat packed into this film. I feel like I may need to see again to figure out what I missed or what may be important after reading some post-film reviews on the movie. It was good, but the in limbo status is obvious with a second film next year.
So Thor finally figured out how to be a god.
And Captain Marvel is coming out before the second Infinity War film and she will be in the second AIW film. From what I read, based on comments from Kevin Feige and other Marvel personnel, her character is supposed to be the most powerful in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Are we allowed to talk spoilers yet so I can give more poignant criticism of what I thought wasn't great about the movie?
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Don't know if there are any comic book readers here, but doe anyone know if there has been someone cast for Adam Warlock yet, or are they saving him for GOTG 3?
I just feel like he's way too important of a character to be left out of Avengers 4 and can't see how they close up the story arc without him.
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Don't know if there are any comic book readers here, but doe anyone know if there has been someone cast for Adam Warlock yet, or are they saving him for GOTG 3?
I just feel like he's way too important of a character to be left out of Avengers 4 and can't see how they close up the story arc without him.
He will not be in Avengers 4. That's confirmed by James Gunn. My guess is he debuts in GotG Vol. 3 and becomes a focal point of what is rumored to be a Cosmic heavy Phase 4. Possibly building to a Magus storyline down the road.
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Don't know if there are any comic book readers here, but doe anyone know if there has been someone cast for Adam Warlock yet, or are they saving him for GOTG 3?
I just feel like he's way too important of a character to be left out of Avengers 4 and can't see how they close up the story arc without him.
Pretty sure he was in the end-credits scene of Guardians 2
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Pretty sure he was in the end-credits scene of Guardians 2
His cocoon was first seen in the Collector's possession in the mid-credits scene from Thor 2 when Sif and Volstagg bring the Aether/Reality Stone to him for safekeeping. GotG director James Gunn, who also directed that mid-credit scene, said that was a mistake and shouldn't have been in there.
The new and improved version of the cocoon was seen in the GotG Volume 2 post-credit scene in the possession of Her (Ayesha, the Elizabeth Debicki gold-skinned villain) and she referred to him as "Adam". From interviews with Gunn, it sounds like Warlock will first appear in GotG Volume 3.
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Question for those poo-pooing IWar.... have you seen all of the MCU movies, or are you jumping in midstream?
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Just saw Ant-Man and The Wasp. What a fun ride. I liked it a lot better than the first, and I liked the first. Marvel has had a great year.
They captured humor, tugged heartstrings, and frankly the action hero of the piece was Wasp. Ghost also made for an interesting antagonist. I was curious how they'd portray Ghost and it was well done.
After Infinity War, this felt like a needed turn. IW was so heavy, this was just a light-hearted, fun romp.
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Just saw Ant-Man and The Wasp. What a fun ride. I liked it a lot better than the first, and I liked the first. Marvel has had a great year.
They captured humor, tugged heartstrings, and frankly the action hero of the piece was Wasp. Ghost also made for an interesting antagonist. I was curious how they'd portray Ghost and it was well done.
After Infinity War, this felt like a needed turn. IW was so heavy, this was just a light-hearted, fun romp.
Cool! I'm going to see Sunday evening.
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Michael Peña's character stole the show in Ant Man & Wasp
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I just got out of the theater...was it good though? I’m by no means trying to play Debbie Downer and generally I enjoy Marvel movies, but kinda thought it was alright, but also feel like that’s two and a half hours I’m not getting back. I didn’t read the comics, pay no attention to spoilers, and kinda figured things out as to the ending around the 2 hour mark. They’ll get my money again for the next one, but as a cinematic experience, kinda left me meh.
Question for those poo-pooing IWar.... have you seen all of the MCU movies, or are you jumping in midstream?
We had friends visiting from out of town this past week, and while the women shopped the men went and watched IW.
I'll answer Benny's question first: I have seen hardly any of the MCU movies, and I've never read any of the comic books. I saw the first and second Iron Man films (I liked the first; the second, I might as well have thrown my money into a toilet and flushed), Black Panther and one of the Captain America sequels (can't remember which). That's it. I also saw the original Spider-Man trilogy with Tobey Maguire ... I guess they don't count as MCU films?
As for IW, I was entertained. And as some others said, I was impressed by the ability to weave in so many characters from so many past movies. I really liked Brolin as Thanos.
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I had not read anything about the movie -- if I think there's even a chance that I'm going to see a film, I will not read any reviews because I HATE spoilers -- so I knew nothing about the backstory. And while watching it, I did not realize there would be no resolution.
My immediate thought as I left the theater was similar to what I felt when I walked out of Empire Strikes Back: "Crap, they did an entire movie expressly to make me have to watch the next one." But of course, being a Star Wars fan and not a lifelong MCU fan, I thought Empire was a better stand-alone film than IW.
As MCU films go, I'd probably rate Black Panther and this one as the best I've seen, though I remember enjoying the 2002 Spider-Man more than either. And if I'm going to lump all comic-book movies in one big pile, I liked The Dark Knight best of all. Heck, for sheer entertainment, I remember liking the original Superman with Christopher Reeve (but I was a lot younger and easier to entertain then).
Finally, I will say that as I've become a more experienced, discerning film-goer (in other words, as I've gotten older) I've become a "tough grader."
I use what I call the "Schindler's List" scale: If Schindler is a perfect 4 on the standard 4-star rating system -- and I think it is -- then I do not casually throw around 4s or even 3.5s or 3s.
So I certainly wouldn't give IW worse than a solid 2.5, which isn't a bad score for me, and if I thought about it enough I might hike that to 3 (but probably not).
But it wasn't Schindler's or Raging Bull or Jaws or The Graduate or Casablanca or Shawshank Redemption or Godfather or Hoop Dreams or Star Wars or E.T. or ...
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Captain Marvel just dropped (haha, pun intended).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8
Nothing sets a story in the late 90's better than a Blockbuster Video.
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Captain Marvel just dropped (haha, pun intended).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8
Nothing sets a story in the late 90's better than a Blockbuster Video.
It's going to be interesting because they have quite the narrative pinhole to navigate. They have to do a Captain Marvel origin story that takes place outside of the contemporary MCU so there aren't any continuity issues but then loop it back so that Captain Marvel can undo the #snapture but do so in a way that everyone doesn't ask, well why didn't we just call Captain Marvel in the first place to kill Thanos? Plus they are going to have a two eyed Nick Fury and a young Phil Coulson so S.H.I.E.L.D is part of the story line but infiltrated by Skree so that means S.H.I.E.L.D was infiltrated by both Skree AND Nazis? Was that organization ever not infiltrated?
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It's going to be interesting because they have quite the narrative pinhole to navigate. They have to do a Captain Marvel origin story that takes place outside of the contemporary MCU so there aren't any continuity issues but then loop it back so that Captain Marvel can undo the #snapture but do so in a way that everyone doesn't ask, well why didn't we just call Captain Marvel in the first place to kill Thanos? Plus they are going to have a two eyed Nick Fury and a young Phil Coulson so S.H.I.E.L.D is part of the story line but infiltrated by Skree so that means S.H.I.E.L.D was infiltrated by both Skree AND Nazis? Was that organization ever not infiltrated?
All that and they have to open the door for HtD in Phase 4.
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Captain marvel trailer 2 dropped.
Eh.
11th hour origin story as the solution to a decade of movies. Hopefully it isn't just a plot device and the original avengers have more of a role.
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Captain marvel trailer 2 dropped.
Eh.
11th hour origin story as the solution to a decade of movies. Hopefully it isn't just a plot device and the original avengers have more of a role.
I want to like it, but I'm just not there. Given how the Cree have been bad guys in the TV version of the MCU plus Guardians, plus the #Snapture unwind stuff.....this is going to have to be an exposition heavy movie to explain to untie all the Gordian knots and I don't know if that's going to be that great.
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I want to like it, but I'm just not there. Given how the Cree have been bad guys in the TV version of the MCU plus Guardians, plus the #Snapture unwind stuff.....this is going to have to be an exposition heavy movie to explain to untie all the Gordian knots and I don't know if that's going to be that great.
I just watched the trailer.
Theory - Cree as the bad guys - maybe it has something to do why Captain Marvel disappears for 20 years and Nick Fury is "paging" her at the end of IW?
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I want to like it, but I'm just not there. Given how the Cree have been bad guys in the TV version of the MCU plus Guardians, plus the #Snapture unwind stuff.....this is going to have to be an exposition heavy movie to explain to untie all the Gordian knots and I don't know if that's going to be that great.
I believe it's the "Kree" which we are discussing. Cree is a native tribe in northern Canada, IIRC.
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I believe it's the "Kree" which we are discussing. Cree is a native tribe in northern Canada, IIRC.
Maybe they are really an alien race.
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Endgame, Avengers Endgame was the answer we were looking for
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Endgame, Avengers Endgame was the answer we were looking for
And moved up to April
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And moved up to April
Probably just a week like they did for IW. More uninterrupted box office time before other big name movies come out in May
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I'm struggling a bit to understand the concept of the Quantum Realm and the associated time vortexes one might find therein. Evidently, all this is going to play a big role even beyond Endgame.
What I would like to know most of all is whether the technology used to open/navigate the Quantum Realm could also be retooled to summon a Dark Overlord.
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I'm scared that as marvel's universe expands the early films' bad guys will lose their luster or they'll end up in the DC tv universe issue of a bunch of different dimensions that it starts to get difficult to keep track.
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I'm struggling a bit to understand the concept of the Quantum Realm and the associated time vortexes one might find therein. Evidently, all this is going to play a big role even beyond Endgame.
What I would like to know most of all is whether the technology used to open/navigate the Quantum Realm could also be retooled to summon a Dark Overlord.
If by Dark Overlord you mean Howard the Duck from the 80s.....I think that's exactly the technology
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Now that Netflix is cancelling all the street level series, it'll be interesting to see what Marvel/Disney does with the characters. They can't use any of the Netflix series characters for two years. That means July 2020 for Luke Cage would be the soonest, though with character crossover like Misty & Colleen, they would probably be better off waiting until 2021.
That seems like a long way off, but if they incorporated new characters, it might not be. Disney+ could do Moon Knight in winter 2019, The Hood in summer 2020, then that next winter start back up with Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and Daredevil all leading to Defenders Season 2 with The Hood as the main villain. With other series coming to Disney+, it would also allow them to roll those shows into the greater MCU.
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If by Dark Overlord you mean Howard the Duck from the 80s.....I think that's exactly the technology
(https://media.giphy.com/media/BQjhadLCFWHcI/giphy.gif)
The prophecy is sealed. The MCU shall begin and end with Howard.
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If by Dark Overlord you mean Howard the Duck from the 80s.....I think that's exactly the technology
Howard the Duck was in the end credits of Guardians of the Galaxy..............
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Howard the Duck was in the end credits of Guardians of the Galaxy..............
Not this guy though.....
(http://www.retroland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Howard-the-Duck.jpg)
Oh the horror. I mean the duck and Lea Thompson either almost got it on or did get it on.....just....the horror
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Howard the Duck was in the end credits of Guardians of the Galaxy..............
He was in both GotG movies. Voiced by Seth Green.
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Oh the horror. I mean the duck and Lea Thompson either almost got it on or did get it on.....just....the horror
I know. Poor Howard.
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While not MCU, anyone gonna go see the new Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse movie? It's getting fantastic reviews...not sure if I will catch in the theaters, but definitely a rental
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I'm still kind of disappointed the MCU didn't introduce Adam Warlock before A4 (Besides the GOTG 2 end credits).
I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Captain Marvel takes over his role but also hoping to see some of the Eternals pop up as well. Too bad they really screwed up the Fantastic 4. Galactus would have been a nice cameo.
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I'm still kind of disappointed the MCU didn't introduce Adam Warlock before A4 (Besides the GOTG 2 end credits).
I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Captain Marvel takes over his role but also hoping to see some of the Eternals pop up as well. Too bad they really screwed up the Fantastic 4. Galactus would have been a nice cameo.
Wasn't quil's dad an eternal?
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Wasn't quil's dad an eternal?
Celestial.
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Not actually part of the MCU but Into the Spiderverse is fantastic. I highly recommend it. It may be my new favorite marvel movie.
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Not actually part of the MCU but Into the Spiderverse is fantastic. I highly recommend it. It may be my new favorite marvel movie.
Seconded.
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Not actually part of the MCU but Into the Spiderverse is fantastic. I highly recommend it. It may be my new favorite marvel movie.
My kids went a saw it yesterday and loved it.
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Did anyone see Captain Marvel over the weekend? I really enjoyed the 90's grunge flashbacks. It answered some questions and left some new ones l don't want to type any possible spoilers.
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Saw it, enjoyed it.
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Give it a solid B+.
In my unofficial MCU tiers of moveis, I would put it solidly in the middle of the 2nd tier.
1st tier (in no order): Avengers I, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, GoG, Iron Man I, Civil War
2nd tier: Infinity War, Captain Marvel, Ragnarok, Homecoming, GoG2, Dr. Strange
3rd Tier: Ant Man, Ant Man II, Iron Man 3, CA 1st Avenger, Thor, Ultron
4th tier: Iron Man 2, Hulk, Thor 2
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The biggest unanswered question for me is where was the tesseract from the 40's through the 80's? How did Annette Benning's character come into possession of it? The rest was just fun. And I now like cats even less.
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The biggest unanswered question for me is where was the tesseract from the 40's through the 80's? How did Annette Benning's character come into possession of it? The rest was just fun. And I now like cats even less.
I may have to re-watch again as I saw a lot of theories on things seen in Mar-Vell's lab including a blue ring that looked like Howard Stark's model of an Arc Reactor that may answer some of the 40's through 80's question.
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New trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c
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New trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c
Ahhhhhh.... that's why they waited until now to release.
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Ahhhhhh.... that's why they waited until now to release.
"I like this one."
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Nice. Ready to go see it right now.
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Nice. Ready to go see it right now.
Go to Fandango and sign up for the alert when tickets go on sale.
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Give it a solid B+.
In my unofficial MCU tiers of moveis, I would put it solidly in the middle of the 2nd tier.
1st tier (in no order): Avengers I, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, GoG, Iron Man I, Civil War
2nd tier: Infinity War, Captain Marvel, Ragnarok, Homecoming, GoG2, Dr. Strange
3rd Tier: Ant Man, Ant Man II, Iron Man 3, CA 1st Avenger, Thor, Ultron
4th tier: Iron Man 2, Hulk, Thor 2
In my opinion, I would put Ragnarok into the 1st tier because even though it was a bit to lengthy, it helped revive Thor. He was not being used the way that I would've liked him to be, but this movie showed off his true power and showed that he is more than his hammer, which I thought was awesome. Before seeing the movie, he ranked 3rd as my favorite avenger, but after seeing him go through everything that he did an then do ape in Ragnarok and Infinity War, it made him number 1.
Question: What happened to the girl warrior from Ragnarok, the one that was with Hulk?
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Ragnarok is the best movie.
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Just saw Captain Marvel and just couldn't get into it. Didnt have much character development and just sort of jumped right in. The action was fun, and it had some cute moments but that's about it for me.
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Just saw Captain Marvel and just couldn't get into it. Didnt have much character development and just sort of jumped right in. The action was fun, and it had some cute moments but that's about it for me.
Out of curiosity, how many of the MCU movies have you seen?
And if "most" or "all" is the answer, did you feel the same way after Doctor Strange and Ant-Man (the only post-Phase I where a singular title/lead character is making his/her first appearance in the MCU)?
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Captain Marvel has interestingly become my 16-year old daughter's favorite Marcel character. Her and her friends went to go see it a second time over the weekend.
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Out of curiosity, how many of the MCU movies have you seen?
And if "most" or "all" is the answer, did you feel the same way after Doctor Strange and Ant-Man (the only post-Phase I where a singular title/lead character is making his/her first appearance in the MCU)?
Every one, the mini movies and three of the netflix shows (jones, agents and daredevil)
I didn't care for Dr strange either to be honest. Ant-Man I loved, I feel like there's plenty of development amongst everyone in that. In Captain Marvel I just sort of found myself not really rooting for her, didn't have much suspense for me. Hey it's just an opinion though.
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This is awesome. Guy never watched any MCU movies except Black Panther and is now watching them all and live tweeting it as he does. Great thread: https://twitter.com/chrismnovak/status/1111096414065569793?s=21
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Endgame presale tix available as of today..Fandango has an hour+ wait, to buy tickets online, in a month in advance :o :o :o
edit....
AMC website is a hot mess too, still haven't secured tix after trying the last 90 min
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3 hours and 2 minute run time...that's not ideal.
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Endgame presale tix available as of today..Fandango has an hour+ wait, to buy tickets online, in a month in advance :o :o :o
edit....
AMC website is a hot mess too, still haven't secured tix after trying the last 90 min
I was quick to the trigger. Got first picks of seats for our traditional Tuesday night $5 showing.
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I was quick to the trigger. Got first picks of seats for our traditional Tuesday night $5 showing.
Only took five hours, but secured two for Sat showing in some great seats
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I was OOO this morning, got back to the office at 2:00 to a notification tix were on sale. By that time, only decent seats available through the weekend was the Saturday 5:00 slot in 3D.
So 3D it is, I guess.
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FYI for future use, I go to Marcus exclusively so I have ticket notifications from Marcus and Fandango. Marcus came in about 4 hours before fandango. Got lucky and saw the Marcus email right away and got in to my theater showing first.
More of a commentary and movie going nowadays but nothing beats the $5 Tuesday movies and being able to pick my seats ahead of time has become such a game changer.
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3 hours and 2 minute run time...that's not ideal.
It's ideal for makers and sellers of catheters. I know I'll need one!
I guess I won't be able to return to this thread from April 26 until about May 26, because I won't be first in line (or among the first several thousand) and I won't want to hear the spoilers!
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I got tickets for Sunday around noon showing.
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ENDGAME PLOT PROGNOSTICATIONS... not spoilers, simply predictions of how things might shake out in Endgame.
1) Nobody actually died in Infinity War... Thanos simply created a new reality (like he did on Knowhere, but a much grander scale), perhaps even a new universe, and sent half the people to the other one.
- Historically, Thanos just went around halving populations the old fashioned way. While it may have been time-consuming, all he needed was the power and space stones (the former which he had before the movie even started, and the latter which he gained during the opening credits) and it would have sped the process up significantly (soul stone might have helped, too). So why go to the trouble of getting the reality, time and mind stones - further, how do those stones help with halving the population? Perhaps his moral compass caught up with him?
2) The "did you do it" scene near the end of Infinity War... contrary to popular belief, I don't think it was a dream sequence. After the snappening, Thanos went back in time, perhaps to regain the years of life he spent carrying out his vision.
Either way, somehow the MCU needs to set itself up for the next band. Seems that the multiverse is the way to go these days.
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Captain Marvel was just ho-hum for me. Toward the lower end of MCU movies. Brie Larson's acting isn't as polished and natural feeling to me as many of the other actors, not feeling that fit with her. The background build up of the character was there I think though, just came about different because of her not having many memories in the early part of the movie. I liked discovering them with her and figuring things out as we went along (I tried VERY hard not to get spoilers for once, so I went in dark).
I also think they could have played up the 90's more and had more fun with it. The blockbuster and CD-ROM stuff was fun, but felt ubiquitous. I feel like GoTG did a better job making me feel the 80's than CM did with the 90's. Needed more stuff like the "I'm just a girl" fight scene music.
If anyone is interested, I have 3 tickets to Endgame that I am not using (we decided to go to a later showing) and will get a refund on soon if no one wants to purchase them from me. They are dead center seats at the Marcus North Shore Ultrascreen on April 27th at 11am. Seats G12, 13, 14. G11-14 are literally best seats in the house and G11 is still available on Marcus' website if you wanted 4 seats together.
Message me with an offer if interested (should this actually be in the trading post??). I'm not looking to make a ton of money off of it, but thought if I could hook someone up with great seats who'd appreciate them and make a few bucks, why not? ::) (Cash/Venmo/and stating that my ranking of the MCU movies earlier in this thread is perfect are the only forms of payment I'll take)
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wow. Incredible movie.
FYI don't stay through the credits.
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wow. Incredible movie.
FYI don't stay through the credits.
Great movie. Can't believe it was just all a drug induced dream of Derek Lutz.
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FYI don't stay through the credits.
Can I get a confirm on that? My 10 year old won't budge until there's no hope of an additional credit scene.
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Can I get a confirm on that? My 10 year old won't budge until there's no hope of an additional credit scene.
100% confirmation, stayed through the credits and till the lights were on.
Great movie. Can't believe it was just all a drug induced dream of Derek Lutz.
Was shocked by the role batman and superman played in it
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Many news outlets are reporting there is not post credit scene. However, they're making mentions similar to this:
"However, there is something at the end of the movie, after the credits roll. It's not a scene, it's a sound. I won't tell you what it is. Only the most diehard fans will want to stick around to hear it. Somehow, this sound teases what's to come in Phase 4 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe."
So now I feel like I'm going to be stuck sitting for something that's done really fast. Maybe I'll just check it out after the fact. Will probably depend on the status of my bladder.
haha, I said "depend" when talking about my bladder! ohhh, classic...
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Not sure why Disney isn't taking this as an opportunity to sell a Marvel-branded catheter
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Not sure why Disney isn't taking this as an opportunity to sell a Marvel-branded catheter
This just made my afternoon!
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Endgame is excellent. Amazed how it brought so many different threads & characters together. It touches on aspects of Marvel & the MCU (not the same thing) I never would've imagined. It made me laugh often, brought tears to my eyes, and elicited cheers from the crowd. It focuses on the original characters while also highlighting the growing diverse ensemble of heroes. And while the main storyline is definitely the focus, it drops hints to some characters that will be more important in Phase 4 and beyond. I can't recommend it highly enough.
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For someone like myself who strongly disliked Infinity Wars, End Game is a near masterpiece. The third (final) act is the eff’n payoff of payoffs. They couldn’t have done that final act any better, Bravo.
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NM was going to ask for opinions on a scene that seemed to be pandering to a demographic and not actually flow with the movie at that moment. but probably too soon to include specifics.
Comment if you know what I'm referring to and your opinion.
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Great movie. I kinda wish I hadn't known the length before I sat down, as you're looking at your watch knowing it's x% done.
Lots of jokes in the movie .. maybe a few too many, sometimes they seemed tacked on. Very much loved Thor in this, though.
The did a nice job with .. details. At the end, you'll think "why did X happen" or "what happened to Y" .. but you think it through, and they did it right. Lots of other movies have plot elements that aren't well thought out .. not this movie.
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This movie should absolutely get nominated for Best Picture at next year’s Oscars. For a film that had massive expectations going in, exceeded them, and moves you through the emotions that it does, I was blown away. I wouldn’t categorize it as an action movie either, it’s much more a drama/comedy. There should also be a best actor nominee and a best supporting actress nominee from this film.
I’m not giving anything away, but the closing credits are perfection.
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Saw it last night. Enjoyed it. Had lots of SJW stuff for those folks that need it forced into everything, but otherwise very entertaining. I only have really one open question related to Thor’s hammer and where is it now?
Don’t bother staying through the credits, no reveals in this one except for an audio clue at the very end.
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I’m not giving anything away, but the closing credits are perfection.
Damnit .. so we saw it at our local theater and they made a couple of announcements before letting us in, including "there are no cut scenes in the end credits, so you can leave right away." .. They need the time to clean up, so they really want people to leave quickly. So we left.
So .. what was interesting about the credits?
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NM was going to ask for opinions on a scene that seemed to be pandering to a demographic and not actually flow with the movie at that moment. but probably too soon to include specifics.
Comment if you know what I'm referring to and your opinion.
There was forced pandering in several areas, I just accept the nonsense now because it so forced that even my daughter after the movie was like why do they have to make some of it so obvious, but we all enjoyed the movie overall despite.
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Damnit .. so we saw it at our local theater and they made a couple of announcements before letting us in, including "there are no cut scenes in the end credits, so you can leave right away." .. They need the time to clean up, so they really want people to leave quickly. So we left.
So .. what was interesting about the credits?
I guess it depends exactly when you left. There’s no scenes, when the movie exactly ends, they show production credits, and then the there’s a 2-3 minute montage of every actor who played a significant role, and then the score changes to the Avengers theme and each original Avenger has the actors autograph come up with their credit name. You may have seen it, but to me, after sitting through an emotional roller coaster for 3 hours, it was a goosebumps moment and a cool and unique way to end the film.
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I guess it depends exactly when you left. There’s no scenes, when the movie exactly ends, they show production credits, and then the there’s a 2-3 minute montage of every actor who played a significant role, and then the score changes to the Avengers theme and each original Avenger has the actors autograph come up with their credit name. You may have seen it, but to me, after sitting through an emotional roller coaster for 3 hours, it was a goosebumps moment and a cool and unique way to end the film.
Yes, agree with that part. Then the credits continue for another 5 minutes before the smithing sound.
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There was forced pandering in several areas, I just accept the nonsense now because it so forced that even my daughter after the movie was like why do they have to make some of it so obvious, but we all enjoyed the movie overall despite.
It only bothers if you let it. Grow thicker skin, and don’t let things bother you. (Here is where you say, it doesn’t bother me personally yadda yadda, but deep down it actually does).
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It only bothers if you let it. Grow thicker skin, and don’t let things bother you. (Here is where you say, it doesn’t bother me personally yadda yadda, but deep down it actually does).
People don't mention things that don't bother them. Snowflakes.
Definitely agree with Dish regarding Best Picture. It was the most successful epic production I can recall since Titanic. It made me laugh, but wasn't a comedy. It made me cry, but wasn't a tragedy. It pulled at heartstrings, but wasn't a romance. Amazing how they wove so much emotion into one film. I haven't talked to anyone who didn't love it so far.
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It only bothers if you let it. Grow thicker skin, and don’t let things bother you. (Here is where you say, it doesn’t bother me personally yadda yadda, but deep down it actually does).
That’s fine....I enjoyed the movie....the forced pandering is lame and takes away from it being an even better movie that I am paying for with my money. Pretty simple. It was 90% great, 10% SJW nonsense which was not needed and totally forced so Disney can touch all the SJW bonafides. It was eye rolling in those moments, and didn’t have to be....but someone had to check a few boxes in the script, God Forbid.
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People don't mention things that don't bother them. Snowflakes.
The irony since the group raising the biggest two stinks out there, are in fact snowflakes. But me being a feminist and all, I support their beef. The other major pandering scene earlier in the movie, well whatever....
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The irony since the group raising the biggest two stinks out there, are in fact snowflakes. But me being a feminist and all, I support their beef. The other major pandering scene earlier in the movie, well whatever....
I don't think you know what a snowflake is. And one thing I'm adamant on, no man should call himself a feminist. We don't have the authority to make that determination.
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The irony since the group raising the biggest two stinks out there, are in fact snowflakes. But me being a feminist and all, I support their beef. The other major pandering scene earlier in the movie, well whatever....
Literally no idea what this is supposed to mean.
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Look I didn't mean to turn this into a thread about snowflakes and SJW stuff. I was just saying how forced it was and seemed to be a bit too obvious of pandering IMO. Essentially it was lazy compared to the scene in Infinity War with Black Widow Scarlett Witch & Okoye which was just as effective at showing those characters in action being awesome but worked with the flow of the movie.
I can't speak to the other forced stuff Chicos is referring to.
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I can't speak to the other forced stuff Chicos is referring to.
Guessing he's talking about the acknowledgment of gay human beings. Wasn't a big part of the story at all and was dropped in very casually, but it's the kind of thing that tends to bundle undies.
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Just came from Endgame. Loved it, Ties everything together and yet leaves everything open. How Marvelish!
Interestingly, Marvel is saying the Spiderman movie in July is the end of Phase 3 not Endgame.
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Literally no idea what this is supposed to mean.
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Look I didn't mean to turn this into a thread about snowflakes and SJW stuff. I was just saying how forced it was and seemed to be a bit too obvious of pandering IMO. Essentially it was lazy compared to the scene in Infinity War with Black Widow Scarlett Witch & Okoye which was just as effective at showing those characters in action being awesome but worked with the flow of the movie.
I can't speak to the other forced stuff Chicos is referring to.
It means he was implying I was a snowflake when if you read the press on who is most upset about the scene in question is from Feminists railing on it.....that’s the irony. The truly “aggrieved”. And yes, it was forced, patronizing, pandered, etc.....but I enjoyed the movie very much....it just wasn’t needed the same as several other scenes. Another snowflake group is all wound up and pissed off about Black Panther in that same scene.....whatever. The other forced scene was admitted to by the director as purposely forcing it so they could make a societal call because you know...Marvel comics is where we all get woke...when they admit to forcing it in there, I just take them at their word that they are being truthful....forced. Great movie, can do without the forcing of stuff when feels nd looks forced, so much so that the very groups of people that they are supposed to be paying homage are ticked off in how they did it....backfired.
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Backfired to the tune of earning 1.2 billion in its opening weekend ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Backfired to the tune of earning 1.2 billion in its opening weekend ::) ::) ::) ::)
Mediocre, aina?
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Cheeks, there is always 'Breakthrough' and 'Unplanned'.
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It means he was implying I was a snowflake when if you read the press on who is most upset about the scene in question is from Feminists railing on it.....that’s the irony. The truly “aggrieved”. And yes, it was forced, patronizing, pandered, etc.....but I enjoyed the movie very much....it just wasn’t needed the same as several other scenes. Another snowflake group is all wound up and pissed off about Black Panther in that same scene.....whatever. The other forced scene was admitted to by the director as purposely forcing it so they could make a societal call because you know...Marvel comics is where we all get woke...when they admit to forcing it in there, I just take them at their word that they are being truthful....forced. Great movie, can do without the forcing of stuff when feels nd looks forced, so much so that the very groups of people that they are supposed to be paying homage are ticked off in how they did it....backfired.
TL/DR But someone looks triggered lol.
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Guessing he's talking about the acknowledgment of gay human beings. Wasn't a big part of the story at all and was dropped in very casually, but it's the kind of thing that tends to bundle undies.
Nope, and why would I? People in my family are gay, some of my employees are gay, dear friends of mine gay....I was in a gay wedding this past Summer. You couldn't be more wrong.
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Backfired to the tune of earning 1.2 billion in its opening weekend ::) ::) ::) ::)
Of course, fun movie enjoyed it very much. Threw down many ducats myself. It could have been an even better movie, but you know....boxes needed to be checked to addressed the outraged.
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Of course, fun movie enjoyed it very much. Threw down many ducats myself. It could have been an even better movie, but you know....boxes needed to be checked to addressed the outraged.
I'll say, you are really going awfully far out of your way to be upset about this movie. Nothing feels more forced than your reaction.
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I'll say, you are really going awfully far out of your way to be upset about this movie. Nothing feels more forced than your reaction.
you sound surprised. He always seems to me to be "that guy"
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you sound surprised. He always seems to me to be "that guy"
Not surprised, but it is tiresome. Not something to address in here without spoilers.
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Endgame is becoming a medical condition...
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/avengers-fan-china-taken-hospital-becoming-hysterical-endgame-screening-102151739.html
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Literally no idea what this is supposed to mean.
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Look I didn't mean to turn this into a thread about snowflakes and SJW stuff. I was just saying how forced it was and seemed to be a bit too obvious of pandering IMO. Essentially it was lazy compared to the scene in Infinity War with Black Widow Scarlett Witch & Okoye which was just as effective at showing those characters in action being awesome but worked with the flow of the movie.
I can't speak to the other forced stuff Chicos is referring to.
I also consider myself a feminist, but I think Hollywood could use a lesson in subtlety.
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Just watched the movie last night and absolutely loved it, not sure I could find a single complaint about it.
I will say this about the "gay" scene that some seem upset about here, the fact that anyone reacts to that scene or finds it remarkable in anyway is exactly why that kind of casual reference needs to be in a movie like this. It should be totally unremarkable that someone in the MCU is gay and goes on dates, so why is it so disconcerting that such a scene exists? Especially when it's done in such a casual and unforced way? I bet you there are some that didn't even notice
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I also consider myself a feminist, but I think Hollywood could use a lesson in subtlety.
At what point does one go from being a feminist to being a male lesbian?
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At what point does one go from being a feminist to being a male lesbian?
Well, never as long as you understand the definition.
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At what point does one go from being a feminist to being a male lesbian?
I 100% support male lesbians
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so whats the deal with xmen? because of the buyout of fox will disney incorporate them into the MCU?
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I 100% support male lesbians
Male Lesbian Man/Woman
Sounds like the next MCU character!
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so whats the deal with xmen? because of the buyout of fox will disney incorporate them into the MCU?
Yes, but I don't think until later in Phase 4. I expect that Deadpool will be the bridge to bring the X-Men into MCU
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From what I read there is no word yet what Disney will do with X-Men and if/when they will introduce into the MCU.
I read that someone wants to introduce Deadpool into Spiderman 3 (there is a Deadpool & Spiderman Comic), but that Sony was pushing for Tom Hardy's Venom to be introduced instead.
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I look forward to the incorporation of X-Men into the MCU; however, how the hell are they going to solve the Maximoff quandry?
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I look forward to the incorporation of X-Men into the MCU; however, how the hell are they going to solve the Maximoff quandry?
Multiverse?
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Multiverse?
Has to be right? I mean how else do you explain an era where the avengers save the world, the fantastic four are praised as stars, and spiderman is a hero but mutants are hated and shunned?
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Has to be right? I mean how else do you explain an era where the avengers save the world, the fantastic four are praised as stars, and spiderman is a hero but mutants are hated and shunned?
I think Into the Spider-verse is important dot com
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Multiverse?
There’s also the Cabnos paradox and Torchmonger question. Multiverse ain’t solving those.
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Has to be right? I mean how else do you explain an era where the avengers save the world, the fantastic four are praised as stars, and spiderman is a hero but mutants are hated and shunned?
Full reboot. We don't know what Tony snapped for, but maybe mutation could be part of his shield around the world. And the emergence of powered people in local schools could be perceived differently than the Avengers that are thousands of miles away (for most people). A few mutants could already exist secretly, which would allow maybe Logan & Professor X, or bring some in with the multiverse (Magneto & Deadpool), but I think a reboot would be best. It also would allow explanation of the Maximoffs by simply leaving them out of the X-canon.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733479265/avengers-but-make-it-without-women-or-men-hugging-or-levity-in-general
Finally a film for the rest of us.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733479265/avengers-but-make-it-without-women-or-men-hugging-or-levity-in-general
Finally a film for the rest of us.
Ugh, I heard about this. This only got traction because it was deemed news worthy that someone made it, not because people actually wanted to see this edited version. It had essentially near zero downloads until the media made into something that people who were aghast at the notion started downloading to see what was done.
Society is better served ignoring these sort of things rather than blowing them up into something bigger than it should be, just for the sake of ratings, clicks, and viewers.
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Ugh, I heard about this. This only got traction because it was deemed news worthy that someone made it, not because people actually wanted to see this edited version. It had essentially near zero downloads until the media made into something that people who were aghast at the notion started downloading to see what was done.
Society is better served ignoring these sort of things rather than blowing them up into something bigger than it should be, just for the sake of ratings, clicks, and viewers.
Giving idiots like this a platform is just stupid. Why is it news that there is some moron out there that is a bigot doing bigoted stuff?
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Ugh, I heard about this. This only got traction because it was deemed news worthy that someone made it, not because people actually wanted to see this edited version. It had essentially near zero downloads until the media made into something that people who were aghast at the notion started downloading to see what was done.
Society is better served ignoring these sort of things rather than blowing them up into something bigger than it should be, just for the sake of ratings, clicks, and viewers.
Oddly enough, the NPR article mentioned this exact thing....while doing the opposite
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Wow was Spider-Man: Far From Home fun. Great light-hearted romp with the perfect balance of teen angst & action. Really needed that after Endgame. Such a fun movie.
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Wow was Spider-Man: Far From Home fun. Great light-hearted romp with the perfect balance of teen angst & action. Really needed that after Endgame. Such a fun movie.
Agree with this. Though that one trippy scene was a bit much for my 9yr old nephew in case anyone is considering bringing children they're easily scared.
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Agree with this. Though that one trippy scene was a bit much for my 9yr old nephew in case anyone is considering bringing children they're easily scared.
I can see that. I also thought they did well with Mysterio in general. Made him both interesting and explainable in a way that fit the MCU. I like how they've revamped Spider-Man characters to fit in to modern storylines like him and Vulture.
Also...those post-credit scenes, holy crap. Those were two of the most consequential post-credit scenes so far, both in terms of Spider-Man's future and the MCU as a whole.
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What a mixed week of news. First and foremost, Spider-Man is OUT of the MCU. Sony & Disney could not come to an agreement, so the excellent cliff-hanger from Far From Home will likely go unanswered. That also means no Miles Morales, Kraven, or Norman Osborne in the MCU. Massive loss. Tom Holland was at D23 for a panel and said "Listen, it's been a crazy week, but I want you to know I am grateful from the bottom of my heart. And I love you 3,000." Really disappointing news around a character that could've been a MCU cornerstone for 20-30 years.
Next up, they added a date for Black Panther as well as three new Disney+ show announcements. Here's the MCU schedule for Phase 4 into the beginning of Phase 5:
- May 1, 2020: Black Widow movie
- Fall 2020: The Falcon & Winter Soldier on Disney+
- November 6, 2020: The Eternals movie
- February 12, 2021: Shang-Chi: The Legend of the Ten Rings movie
- Spring, 2021: WandaVision on Disney+
- Spring, 2021: Loki on Disney+
- May 7, 2021: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness movie
- Summer, 2021: What If...? on Disney+
- Fall, 2021: Hawkeye on Disney+
- November 5, 2021: Thor: Love & Thunder movie
- February 18, 2022: Untitled MCU movie (Possibly Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol 3)
- May 6, 2022: Black Panther II movie
- July 29, 2022: Untitled MCU movie (Possibly Blade or Captain Marvel 2)
- To Be Announced: She-Hulk on Disney+
- To Be Announced: Moon Knight on Disney+
- To Be Announced: Ms. Marvel on Disney+
Clearly Disney+ is going to be huge and all this content is designed to drive MCU fans to subscribe as they are releasing original content every year starting in 2020 and will also have the movies there. WandaVision will lead into Dr. Strange, which is a horror movie featuring Nightmare as the villain. Shang-Chi will follow up on the real Mandarin storyline that began in Iron-Man 3 and the All Hail the King short. Thor: Love & Thunder will be passing the mantle of Thor to Jane Foster.
I'm very excited for the newly announced D+ shows. Ms. Marvel could be positioned to step into the Tom Holland teenage hero story, She-Hulk could be very interesting as a super-hero spin on a legal procedural, and Moon Knight is just a fun character that combines Batman with schizophrenia.
As far as names, Kit Harrington has joined The Eternals as Dane Whitman, better known to older Marvel fans as the Black Knight, and Mahershala Ali will be taking over as Blade.
Still no word on when the X-Men or Fantastic Four will make their way into the MCU, but Kevin Feige promised both at Comic Con.
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This Spider-Man thing is awful. I really really hope Sony makes one and it bombs forcing them to come back to Disney. Though from the sound of it Disney was asking for pretty unreasonable terms
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I just don’t see the Spider-Man issue as dead, feel like it’s a public negotiation.
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I just don’t see the Spider-Man issue as dead, feel like it’s a public negotiation.
Let’s hope so
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I just don’t see the Spider-Man issue as dead, feel like it’s a public negotiation.
My first reaction as well.
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I just don’t see the Spider-Man issue as dead, feel like it’s a public negotiation.
I hope this is the case too.
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No way Sony can make another Spider-man. Disney will pull it off somehow, they have to after the way they've squandered the Lucasfilm acquisition.
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No way Sony can make another Spider-man. Disney will pull it off somehow, they have to after the way they've squandered the Lucasfilm acquisition.
I agree with the squander, but feeling more optimistic than ever. Disney+ and the way they are reframing the three timeframes is encouraging.
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After all that hullabaloo with James Gunn, you can pretty much slot him in for the Feb 2022 movie. Which by all accounts would narrow it down to GotG3; so why are they not announcing it yet?
Could it be that Gunn wants to feature a particular background character from the first two installments as a precursor to spinning off his own reboot? Because it would make sense that if they're going to do it, they're going to wait until the last second to announce it since the moment they do, the dark overlords critics are most assuredly going to throw an inconceivable amount of shade before it even goes into production. To pull it off, Gunn needs a script that will make Feige twice as confident as he's been in any MCU project to date.
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I agree with the squander, but feeling more optimistic than ever. Disney+ and the way they are reframing the three timeframes is encouraging.
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I generally agree with the reframing.....and maybe its me being a crotchety old man, but I'm not sure I can get over how they've completely taken a dump on the "Skywalker Saga" in the Age of Resistance.
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After all that hullabaloo with James Gunn, you can pretty much slot him in for the Feb 2022 movie. Which by all accounts would narrow it down to GotG3; so why are they not announcing it yet?
Could it be that Gunn wants to feature a particular background character from the first two installments as a precursor to spinning off his own reboot? Because it would make sense that if they're going to do it, they're going to wait until the last second to announce it since the moment they do, the dark overlords critics are most assuredly going to throw an inconceivable amount of shade before it even goes into production. To pull it off, Gunn needs a script that will make Feige twice as confident as he's been in any MCU project to date.
Why would Adam Warlock generate a bunch of shade? Because Gunn is involved??
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Why would Adam Warlock generate a bunch of shade? Because Gunn is involved??
Was gonna say, if this is a reference to Adam, I’m pretty sure a lot of people have been waiting for his arrival.
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Why would Adam Warlock generate a bunch of shade? Because Gunn is involved??
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Dear god no
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Dear god no
The new version of Howard the Duck does appear in Endgame.
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Dear god no
My point exactly. Thank you.
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When this happens we'll know the era of Marvel Cinematic dominance will have ended
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When this happens we'll know the era of Marvel Cinematic dominance will have ended
From a creator perspective, you have to think a Rocket/Groot movie would be hotly anticipated and sell a lot of tickets. If a talking raccoon could lead a franchise, why not a talking duck? I'm not saying I want, desire, or have any need for an expanded role for Howard. The little cameos with Seth Green voicing him is fine. But they've made just as crazy of stuff work.
If you had told people in 2006 that Rocket Raccoon would be a major film character voiced by an Academy Award nominated actor they would've called BS. I mean, since his mini-series in the mid-1980s, his only appearances were a few issues of She-Hulk in 1992 and the reminder of his existence in the occasional Marvel Universe Handbooks. Frankly, if you had asked me which was more likely as a leading character in a new MCU franchise at that time and the options were Howard or Rocket, the answer would've unquestionably been Howard. He had three limited series, made appearances in other titles at least every 1-3 years, and had already been the subject of a film.
Again, not calling for any more Howard, but considering the role Rocket has taken in the MCU, stranger things have not only happened, but also been wildly successful.
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From a creator perspective, you have to think a Rocket/Groot movie would be hotly anticipated and sell a lot of tickets. If a talking raccoon could lead a franchise, why not a talking duck? I'm not saying I want, desire, or have any need for an expanded role for Howard. The little cameos with Seth Green voicing him is fine. But they've made just as crazy of stuff work.
If you had told people in 2006 that Rocket Raccoon would be a major film character voiced by an Academy Award nominated actor they would've called BS. I mean, since his mini-series in the mid-1980s, his only appearances were a few issues of She-Hulk in 1992 and the reminder of his existence in the occasional Marvel Universe Handbooks. Frankly, if you had asked me which was more likely as a leading character in a new MCU franchise at that time and the options were Howard or Rocket, the answer would've unquestionably been Howard. He had three limited series, made appearances in other titles at least every 1-3 years, and had already been the subject of a film.
Again, not calling for any more Howard, but considering the role Rocket has taken in the MCU, stranger things have not only happened, but also been wildly successful.
Was he the subject of a film or was that an experiment gone wrong.
"Do you think I might find happiness in the animal kingdom ducky" still is the most disturbing line I've heard in a movie.
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My biggest hope right now is still to get a Sleepwalker appearance in the next Doctor Strange. Having Nightmare as the villain would be a perfect avenue for Sleepy. He was my favorite character growing up and I still have the full run of his original series. Tough to see how he would ever fit into a full franchise with the "disappears when Rick wakes up" dynamic, but in a potential Dreamscape he would fit in just fine.
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"Do you think I might find happiness in the animal kingdom ducky" still is the most disturbing line I've heard in a movie.
Racist.
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Avengers Age of Ultron was never one of my favorite MCU movies... however I had it on the other day because it was on tv and why not. This is the first time watching it since endgame, and looking back now, I am shocked by how fluid it felt as a run up to Infinity War and Endgame.
The tie ins were far more plentiful than I remembered, the foreshadowing already in place in some aspects, and the character building was already leading up to where a lot of things would end. This is exactly why these MCU movies are so popular.
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If anyone is looking to get on the D+ train early, an offer popped up that I first saw this morning. Go to https://d23.com/ and click on the "become a member" option in the top left. There are offers for a Gold membership, Gold Family, but below that, you can sign up for a free "general membership". Scroll down, you'll find it. Within 24 hours of joining (not immediately) if you go to "My Account" in the top right corner and select "View Account" and then "Redeem Now".
You can sign up for 3 years of D+ for $140.97, which comes out to $46.99 per year or a little under $4 per month. It's a bit of a commitment, but if I get access to all the MCU and Star Wars movies, The Mandalorian when D+ drops, and all 8 of the announced Marvel series plus whatever else is coming in the next 3 years, it seems worth it. I would've been happy with the $6.99, so this seems like a no-brainer.
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Guess who's back, back again, Spidey's back, tell a friend...
https://mcucosmic.com/2019/09/27/disney-and-sony-reach-a-deal-spider-man-3-will-be-produced-by-kevin-feige-and-marvel-studios/
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Guess who's back, back again, Spidey's back, tell a friend...
https://mcucosmic.com/2019/09/27/disney-and-sony-reach-a-deal-spider-man-3-will-be-produced-by-kevin-feige-and-marvel-studios/
I wanted to tell so many people when I found out, but have nobody to tell. This is great news! Honestly made my day!
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This is great news. I love the new Spider Man movies and absolutely hated the Sony attempts.
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Inevitable. No way the two parties could be that dumb and cost themselves that much money.
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So what happens with Black Panther 2 now that Boseman is dead? Recast? Try to have Shuri take up the mantle? Do what Star Wars did and unnaturally digitize the face of deceased actors so they can fill in the timeline?
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So what happens with Black Panther 2 now that Boseman is dead? Recast? Try to have Shuri take up the mantle? Do what Star Wars did and unnaturally digitize the face of deceased actors so they can fill in the timeline?
I'm not as big an MCU guy as a lot of you here, but since he was gone for 5 years as part of Thanos' finger snap, wouldn't they have chosen a new Black Panther to rule Wakanda, and therefore couldn't they use whoever they want that to be to be the new Blank Panther?
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So what happens with Black Panther 2 now that Boseman is dead? Recast? Try to have Shuri take up the mantle? Do what Star Wars did and unnaturally digitize the face of deceased actors so they can fill in the timeline?
From what Ive been reading, Shuri ascending makes the most sense from a functional moviemaking standpoint, as well as from canon as she took over when T'Challa recovered from injuries and has all the same enhanced abilities and martial arts background. Also Letitia Wright killed it in Black Panther as well as both Avengers films, so I think her popularity makes it easier. I think recasting would be a bad choice and detract from how influential and foundational Boseman was in the role, especially with a logical transition available as I said.
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I hate not having a T'Challa, but at least in the short term I think Shuri is the right call. If they decide to recast T'Challa in the future, so be it, but there's no need to rush that. Put little sister in and move on with her in the role.
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I assumed Marvel knew he was fighting cancer and they had a contingency plan in place in case of something like this.
I believe people were surprised when Phase 4 movie dates were released that Blank Panther 2 was not on the schedule yet. BP2 appeared in Phase 5 dates and in hindsight perhaps Marvel knew of the possibility so they made the date later as a precaution.
I felt the Black Panther joined Captain America as the conscience and moral center and was going to take over the central role in that aspect after Captain America de-superheroed himself. Unsure where they go from here on that front.
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I felt the Black Panther joined Captain America as the conscience and moral center and was going to take over the central role in that aspect after Captain America de-superheroed himself. Unsure where they go from here on that front.
I can see Captain Marvel & even Shuri taking lead roles, but agree that neither has that conscience feel to their characters. Perhaps Sam as the new Captain America. Aside from him, I could see them trying to fit Black Knight or Ikarus into that role. Or if she's all in on the role, Natalie Portman in the Jane Foster Thor.
I don't think any existent character was as well-positioned as T'Challa for that moral compass embodiment. If they tried to make someone not yet introduced that type of focal point, Nova or Beta Ray Bill are viable candidates too. Though BRB may be too quirky.
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I can see Captain Marvel & even Shuri taking lead roles, but agree that neither has that conscience feel to their characters. Perhaps Sam as the new Captain America. Aside from him, I could see them trying to fit Black Knight or Ikarus into that role. Or if she's all in on the role, Natalie Portman in the Jane Foster Thor.
I don't think any existent character was as well-positioned as T'Challa for that moral compass embodiment. If they tried to make someone not yet introduced that type of focal point, Nova or Beta Ray Bill are viable candidates too. Though BRB may be too quirky.
You make a good point about Falcon/Sam. Now that T'Challa is gone, Sam is the remaining black superhero. With how much Black Panther resonated in the cultural zeitgeist, Marvel will likely push to emphasize their remaining black heroes. For the Black Panther franchise, it will be girl-heavy with Shuri and Danai Gurira's and Lupita Nyongo's characters. But it also means elevating the Falcon character, perhaps to a starring film or a spot in the new core group of Avengers.
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You make a good point about Falcon/Sam. Now that T'Challa is gone, Sam is the remaining black superhero. With how much Black Panther resonated in the cultural zeitgeist, Marvel will likely push to emphasize their remaining black heroes. For the Black Panther franchise, it will be girl-heavy with Shuri and Danai Gurira's and Lupita Nyongo's characters. But it also means elevating the Falcon character, perhaps to a starring film or a spot in the new core group of Avengers.
I'd be very curious as to what the MCU plans are for the Defenders characters featured in the Netflix shows. I know some received mixed reviews, but there are rumors that Charlie Cox will be portraying Matt Murdock as Peter's defense lawyer in the next Spider-Man movie. If they are truly thinking about bringing those characters into the MCU, it might not be a bad idea to consider bringing in Mike Colter's Luke Cage character. Though is he too morally ambiguous to take a more integral role in the future? I'm sure they want a strong black lead.
Who are the other options? Don Cheadle's War Machine? Mahershala Ali's Blade? Introduce Miles Morales or Bishop? Or a female character like Storm or a Monica Rambeau Captain Marvel/Spectrum/Photon? I do think having a major black hero is important to the franchise, but aside from bit players like Deathlok, Cloak, or Night Thrasher, the options aren't great.
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Wandavision is quirky, well written, and funny. Both Olsen and Bettany are great in the first two eps and a solid supporting cast, and I love Kathryn Hahn in just about anything. (with Bettany stealing the show in episode 2).
Excited for more
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Wandavision is quirky, well written, and funny. Both Olsen and Bettany are great in the first two eps and a solid supporting cast, and I love Kathryn Hahn in just about anything. (with Bettany stealing the show in episode 2).
Excited for more
Really enjoyed the first couple episodes and curious to see where it goes. The offbeat, designed to be creepy & foreboding parts are also really well done. It mixes levity with impending doom very well.
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Loved the hydra reference in the 'commercial' in the second episode.
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As a casual Marvel fan, are there just tons of references that I’m not seeing?
Otherwise, I didn’t think much of it.
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As a casual Marvel fan, are there just tons of references that I’m not seeing?
Otherwise, I didn’t think much of it.
Not too many yet, but a handful including an allusion who their neighbor could be.
And since this does take place after Endgame in the MCU timeline, part of the mystery is really what the heck is going on, how and why Wanda (and Vision, whatever form he is in, dream, or something else?) is “here”.
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Spoilers for Wandavision
Yea, I didn’t need three episodes of fake sitcom setup. That either should have been the first episode or they should have condensed the first three episodes into one.
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Spoilers for Wandavision
Yea, I didn’t need three episodes of fake sitcom setup. That either should have been the first episode or they should have condensed the first three episodes into one.
I liked the setup. It helped set up the more horror genre this is building to and I think it works better with sprinkled references over a couple weeks than all at once. And this episode more clearly laid the stakes and gives a twist on what we can expect for Multiverse of Madness.
If I have any gripe, I think they could've leaned more into the schtick in the first few episodes and ramped up the humor even more, but it's a small nit.
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Spoilers for Wandavision
Yea, I didn’t need three episodes of fake sitcom setup. That either should have been the first episode or they should have condensed the first three episodes into one.
Wow! Episode 4 making things interesting. Return of two characters and the eventual expected arrival of another.
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$hits unraveling! And we have our first X-men crossover! The guy that shows up at her door is Evan Peters, who plays Peter Maximoff in the X-men movies.
The multiverse has been bust wide open.
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Wow, that is awesome. What a twist to start binding the MCU to the other verses.
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That...was...awesome
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The best version
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No...no I did not.
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I didn't see that coming!
Who's the aerospace engineer called on the phone?
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Can I fast forward the first episode of Wandavision? This old timey thing isn't my jam.
Edit: I take it back I'm intrigued
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The next episode has to be Full House themed, right? Only logical thing for an Olsen sister.
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The next episode has to be Full House themed, right? Only logical thing for an Olsen sister.
Probably depends how many unresolved issues she has for growing up in their shadow
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I didn't see that coming!
Who's the aerospace engineer called on the phone?
Lotta people speculating it'll set up a new villain.
Are we thinking that this show will lead to the rift that makes the Gov crack down on mutants? I mean the huge societal change has gotta come from somewhere to make X-men a thing.
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Lotta people speculating it'll set up a new villain.
Are we thinking that this show will lead to the rift that makes the Gov crack down on mutants? I mean the huge societal change has gotta come from somewhere to make X-men a thing.
Marvel reported this series leads directly to Dr. Strange 2: Multiverse of Madness so obviously the multiverse has something to do with it. Rumors abound that Spider Man 3 involves the multiverse also. Quicksilver (re)appearing through the multiverse?
I thought I read also that Ant Man 3 will introduce Kang the Conqueror who is definitely a major villain in the comics.
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Lotta people speculating it'll set up a new villain.
Are we thinking that this show will lead to the rift that makes the Gov crack down on mutants? I mean the huge societal change has gotta come from somewhere to make X-men a thing.
Also speculation it could be Dr. Doom, with the effort to slowly bring the FF into the MCU.
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Also speculation it could be Dr. Doom, with the effort to slowly bring the FF into the MCU.
I hope not. I just don't have confidence in that to actually "work"
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I hope not. I just don't have confidence in that to actually "work"
I thing Feige has earned the benefit of the doubt.
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Who's the aerospace engineer called on the phone?
Passing on some speculation here, but obviously it could be a spoiler. But since other people are speculating I figure I can pass on something I heard from someone who knows much more about this stuff than I do...
I've been listening to a podcast that recaps/discusses each episode, and of course they're speculating a lot on this. One thing they mentioned is that some fan watched it with foreign subtitles and noticed that the reference to "aerospace engineer" was in the feminine. The podcast hosts speculation is that is is Riri Williams/Ironheart. I think the biggest clue that this might be correct is the fact that Disney has already announced an upcoming series with this character (https://www.cbr.com/disney-plus-ironheart-marvel-series/).
For the record, I really don't follow MCU all that closely, but have been diving into WandaVision because my daughter really loves it and wants to watch and discuss it with me. I'd never heard of Ironheart before listening to that podcast today at lunch.
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The next episode has to be Full House themed, right? Only logical thing for an Olsen sister.
I think E5 was the Full House inspired one. While it had plenty of 80s Family Ties/Growing Pains vibes, the intro had a couple Full House Easter eggs (the swinging twins and the picnic scene).
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I think E5 was the Full House inspired one. While it had plenty of 80s Family Ties/Growing Pains vibes, the intro had a couple Full House Easter eggs (the swinging twins and the picnic scene).
Agreed.
We getting a Married with Children episode next? Home Improvement? Malcolm in the Middle? Modern Family?
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Agreed.
We getting a Married with Children episode next? Home Improvement? Malcolm in the Middle? Modern Family?
I also thought that there was a definite Full House vibe even though the most obvious references seemed to be to Family Ties.
I recall hearing something about Roseanne, too. Some of the trailers have shown that there will be a Halloween episode with everyone in costume, and that was something they did on Roseanne a lot over the years.
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Passing on some speculation here, but obviously it could be a spoiler. But since other people are speculating I figure I can pass on something I heard from someone who knows much more about this stuff than I do...
I've been listening to a podcast that recaps/discusses each episode, and of course they're speculating a lot on this. One thing they mentioned is that some fan watched it with foreign subtitles and noticed that the reference to "aerospace engineer" was in the feminine. The podcast hosts speculation is that is is Riri Williams/Ironheart. I think the biggest clue that this might be correct is the fact that Disney has already announced an upcoming series with this character (https://www.cbr.com/disney-plus-ironheart-marvel-series/).
For the record, I really don't follow MCU all that closely, but have been diving into WandaVision because my daughter really loves it and wants to watch and discuss it with me. I'd never heard of Ironheart before listening to that podcast today at lunch.
I read the same. The Spanish subtitle said "Ingeniera".
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I recall hearing something about Roseanne, too. Some of the trailers have shown that there will be a Halloween episode with everyone in costume, and that was something they did on Roseanne a lot over the years.
Intro was clearly Malcolm in the Middle, episode had a lot of Roseanne Halloween feels. Love how this has all built up. I'm more excited every week for the next episode.
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That episode gave a whole new meaning to expanded universe! Wonder who Rambeau and Jimmy Woo are going to see? Rumors are it will be someone from fantastic four.
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Edit: Nvm, upon further review that’s a Doctor Strange costume, not Gambit
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Edit: Nvm, upon further review that’s a Doctor Strange costume, not Gambit
Are you talking about Billy? Wanda's kids were wearing their own Young Avengers costumes. Tommy was Speed, Billy was Wiccan.
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WandaVision is so good. Setting up so much. Episode 7 was excellent.
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WandaVision is so good. Setting up so much. Episode 7 was excellent.
Kathryn Hahn can do whatever she wants to me
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WandaVision is so good. Setting up so much. Episode 7 was excellent.
I'm through 3 episodes and I find it near unwatchable. A couple bits of exposition surrounded by sitcom parodies that are about as awful as humanly possible. I guess I'll stick with it since everybody seems to like it. The exposition ramped up a little in ep 3 so hopefully that continues.
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I'm through 3 episodes and I find it near unwatchable. A couple bits of exposition surrounded by sitcom parodies that are about as awful as humanly possible. I guess I'll stick with it since everybody seems to like it. The exposition ramped up a little in ep 3 so hopefully that continues.
Stay the course. The only real criticism is the first couple episodes could’ve been combined.
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I'm through 3 episodes and I find it near unwatchable. A couple bits of exposition surrounded by sitcom parodies that are about as awful as humanly possible. I guess I'll stick with it since everybody seems to like it. The exposition ramped up a little in ep 3 so hopefully that continues.
Yeah I was in the same boat, carry on another and you’ll be in it.
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How do they resolve this in 35 minutes? Even enough to set up Dr. Strange II?
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You can tell they are undecided. Competing Visions of how they want it to end.
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The only thing that I think we can assume, is that Agatha isn't the big villain. Probably going to mirror her comic book character quite a bit.
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How do they resolve this in 35 minutes? Even enough to set up Dr. Strange II?
This episode was 45 minutes. I expect the next to be closer to an hour.
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This episode was 45 minutes. I expect the next to be closer to an hour.
50 minutes is what I read.
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I thought there was 2 episodes left and after googling I see only 1.
Lots to resolve and also leave hanging up in the air as this does tie directly into Dr. Strange 2 and Spiderman 3.
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Not sure the Spidey tie-in, unless the hex grows into NYC which seems ridiculous unless she gets help from Agatha or Strange. Or Haywood does something stupid, which seems to be a minor theme of the show.
I think Strange shows up at the end of the episode to break-up some Vision on Vision violence. It’ll be explained that Strange is trying to keep the multi-verse controlled and Wanda is really messing everything up. He’s probably also looking for Agatha since the book of magic she stole.
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When the Marvel universe started, I had no interest in Iron Man or Captain America. Never was a comic book kid. Now I can’t wait for whatever new venture they throw our way. It’s not cinema verite but I sure do enjoy it
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Not sure the Spidey tie-in, unless the hex grows into NYC which seems ridiculous unless she gets help from Agatha or Strange. Or Haywood does something stupid, which seems to be a minor theme of the show.
I think Strange shows up at the end of the episode to break-up some Vision on Vision violence. It’ll be explained that Strange is trying to keep the multi-verse controlled and Wanda is really messing everything up. He’s probably also looking for Agatha since the book of magic she stole.
They're going to crossover with the old Spider-Men. Toby McGuire is bringing the Alfred Molina Doc Ock and Andrew Garfield is bringing the Jamie Foxx Electro. It's basically validating all the other movies as existing in the MCU.
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They're going to crossover with the old Spider-Men. Toby McGuire is bringing the Alfred Molina Doc Ock and Andrew Garfield is bringing the Jamie Foxx Electro. It's basically validating all the other movies as existing in the MCU.
More Multiverse items to go with Dr. Strange 2.
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They're going to crossover with the old Spider-Men. Toby McGuire is bringing the Alfred Molina Doc Ock and Andrew Garfield is bringing the Jamie Foxx Electro. It's basically validating all the other movies as existing in the MCU.
Right, not sure how it’s all coming together out of WV.
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I thought Vision's question, "What is grief, if not love persevering" was actually a very touching sentiment.
I am also aware that a lot of people have posting/tweeting/etc. about that quote to the point where there is now some pushback on the absurdity of looking to the MCU for profundities. I suppose I agree...but I also really liked the quote.
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Series was a hit, IMO. No great villain reveal, maybe
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Swing and a miss on about 99% of all fan theories.
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As I try to deal with the recent loss of my brother, I can’t help but realize that this entire show was a six hour reflection on the stages of grief. As the final episode was wrapping up and I realized that Wanda had arrived at a very reluctant acceptance, I found myself struggling to avoid completely falling apart - and not entirely succeeding. And it really had nothing to do with the show...it was just a catalyst. I think I’ll always remember this show for the profound theme it wrapped in a superhero wrapper. I’m not there yet, but as crazy as it seems, this show has helped.
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I don't think you're crazy.
And we all know about the Theseus Ship riddle now too.
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As I try to deal with the recent loss of my brother, I can’t help but realize that this entire show was a six hour reflection on the stages of grief. As the final episode was wrapping up and I realized that Wanda had arrived at a very reluctant acceptance, I found myself struggling to avoid completely falling apart - and not entirely succeeding. And it really had nothing to do with the show...it was just a catalyst. I think I’ll always remember this show for the profound theme it wrapped in a superhero wrapper. I’m not there yet, but as crazy as it seems, this show has helped.
Sorry for your loss, SAW. Glad the show could help you in that way. I appreciated it most for how it was different than standard superhero fare. I think Marvel's been good at that (X/Y/Z in a superhero wrapper), but this stoo dout for its uniqueness.
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Anyone catch Falcon & the Winter Soldier last night?
I'm going to be sorry to hear there is only 6 episodes.
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Such a great casting for the next captain America. Such a punchable face and I’m guessing that’s what they’re going for.
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Such a great casting for the next captain America. Such a punchable face and I’m guessing that’s what they’re going for.
Yup, they made him look so dumb which I assume is the point.
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As opposed to Wandavision, we are painfully aware of what is going on. The first episode set up was very good.
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F&TWS moves fast.
The episode ended and left my family exclaiming, "we have to wait until next week?!"
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Do we think new Cap and “Battlestar” are super soldiers?
Wonder who was chasing to the runway. Wondering if she ends up being good by the end of the show. If so, the actress will end up playing the same exact role she did in the Han Solo Movie.
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His Marvel bio says the character at some point went through some enhancements.
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Do we think new Cap and “Battlestar” are super soldiers?
Wonder who was chasing to the runway. Wondering if she ends up being good by the end of the show. If so, the actress will end up playing the same exact role she did in the Han Solo Movie.
Seems like he might already be a bit enhanced. And I think more are coming. Cause hes far from real Cap
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His Marvel bio says the character at some point went through some enhancements.
I read somewhere in the comics they were captured by Hydra and they ran experiments on them.
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https://www.marvel.com/characters/u-s-agent
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Such a great casting for the next captain America. Such a punchable face and I’m guessing that’s what they’re going for.
Just like in the 1980s, you're supposed to hate John Walker. He is the guy that is there to show people why the mantle of Captain America is important and why it has to be the right person (**cough, SAM, cough**) wearing that mantle. In the comics, Rogers laid down the shield in the 1980s because he was upset with the political policies of the United States. Walker, who had received powers from Power Broker, took up the mantle but never lived up to Rogers standard, so eventually Steve had to track him down, beat him, and take the title of Captain America back.
I'll be interested to see if there's a true heel turn for Walker or if he becomes a hero in his own right, as he did in the comics as US Agent. I'm hoping they go the US Agent route because I think it makes for an interesting character and I like the idea of a good guy just not being good enough to follow Steve.
Personally, I expect Walker has powers already, or will be getting some very soon.
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Just like in the 1980s, you're supposed to hate John Walker. He is the guy that is there to show people why the mantle of Captain America is important and why it has to be the right person (**cough, SAM, cough**) wearing that mantle. In the comics, Rogers laid down the shield in the 1980s because he was upset with the political policies of the United States. Walker, who had received powers from Power Broker, took up the mantle but never lived up to Rogers standard, so eventually Steve had to track him down, beat him, and take the title of Captain America back.
I'll be interested to see if there's a true heel turn for Walker or if he becomes a hero in his own right, as he did in the comics as US Agent. I'm hoping they go the US Agent route because I think it makes for an interesting character and I like the idea of a good guy just not being good enough to follow Steve.
Personally, I expect Walker has powers already, or will be getting some very soon.
I think he has some powers now.
Well have to watch and see.
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I think he has some powers now.
Well have to watch and see.
Agreed. As soon as I saw him whipping that shield, I figured he had some Power Broker treatment, knowingly or unknowingly.
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Wow. Ending of FABS was pretty intense :o
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Wow. Ending of FABS was pretty intense :o
Yes. It. Was.
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Interesting how every character iin FATWS is not black and white but shades of gray.
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5 finger death punch to take off Bucky's arm.
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Ooh boy, that finale is shaping up to be something.
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So Karli is by far the most obnoxious MCU character right up there with Star Lord, right? She's not even a good villain, just annoying.
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Ooh boy, that finale is shaping up to be something.
They’ve got about 7 different story lines that need some service before the finale.
I’m enjoying this far more than Wanda.
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Wow! Just wow!
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Hope everyone watched to the post-credit scene.
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Yup. I think I see how all the pieces are going to fit together. But I have been wrong before.
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Galaxy Brain prediction time. Zemo is the Power Broker, and part of his master plan was to be taken to the Raft to recruit a team of bads.
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Galaxy Brain prediction time. Zemo is the Power Broker, and part of his master plan was to be taken to the Raft to recruit a team of bads.
I think Zemo forms the Thunderbolts at The Raft, but Sharon Carter is the Power Broker.
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I think Zemo forms the Thunderbolts at The Raft, but Sharon Carter is the Power Broker.
Seems to on the nose, even for the MCU which is pretty heavy handed...but certainly a strong possibility.
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Seems to on the nose, even for the MCU which is pretty heavy handed...but certainly a strong possibility.
Yeah it’s way too obvious, so it will be completely different .
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I think Zemo forms the Thunderbolts at The Raft, but Sharon Carter is the Power Broker.
I was just reading about the Thunderbolts.
They are like the DC Suicide Squad but they actually want to redeem themselves vs the DC version.
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Oh yes...
https://twitter.com/marvelstudios/status/1384137317967831041?s=21
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Oh yes...
https://twitter.com/marvelstudios/status/1384137317967831041?s=21
Awkwafina in the MCU. Nice!
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Oh yes...
https://twitter.com/marvelstudios/status/1384137317967831041?s=21
Shang Chi’s father, is slated to be the real Mandarin...chances he could also be the Power Broker, curious timing for the trailer to drop 4 days before the finale 🤔
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Shang Chi’s father, is slated to be the real Mandarin...chances he could also be the Power Broker, curious timing for the trailer to drop 4 days before the finale 🤔
Not impossible, especially with the Madripoor connection.
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Too many loose ends. I almost feel like they made it messier than it had to be simply because they knew there was going to be a season 2.
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Too many loose ends. I almost feel like they made it messier than it had to be simply because they knew there was going to be a season 2.
I think they announced there is going to be a Captain America 4 movie instead of a TV show
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I think they announced there is going to be a Captain America 4 movie instead of a TV show
I read this, this morning. Same screenwriter as the TV series.
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Loved it, loved the slow transition for Sam coming to accept who he had to be. And loved how the actual comic book costume translated to the screen.
So much potential there. Zemo and the Thunderbolts, which direction Walker will go as US Agent, will the Contessa be a new Fury or open the door to a new Hydra, is this a full heel turn from Agent 13 (my money is on Skrull Sharon as the Queen for Secret Invasion)?
They laid the groundwork for Cap 4, possibly Secret Invasion, more Young Avengers with Eli Bradley, while also moving Sam into a central role, legitimately giving the MCU a primary leading man for the next generation after Evans & Downey stepped aside and Boseman passed.
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Can someone explain why super soldier bucky with a vibranium arm has so much difficulty with rogue super soldiers?
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Can someone explain why super soldier bucky with a vibranium arm has so much difficulty with rogue super soldiers?
It was explained. Kinda stupid. But noticed it during the last fights, he’s not using it. Not his dominant hand.
He also seems to be going 70% compared to being the Winter Soldier. Guessing that’s his recovery messing with his mind?
He also did a super hero landing.
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It was explained. Kinda stupid. But noticed it during the last fights, he’s not using it. Not his dominant hand.
He also seems to be going 70% compared to being the Winter Soldier. Guessing that’s his recovery messing with his mind?
He also did a super hero landing.
Isn't he an extremely experienced fighter/soldier going against a bunch of gang members?
I just don't understand how they can be on equal footing, combat-wise
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Isn't he an extremely experienced fighter/soldier going against a bunch of gang members?
I just don't understand how they can be on equal footing, combat-wise
It is a comic book tv show. Reality has to be suspended occasionally
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Anyone catch Loki episode 1? Thoughts?
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Anyone catch Loki episode 1? Thoughts?
Really enjoyed it. It managed to be both fun and deep. I guess my only gripe might be the idea that all free will is sucked out of the universe with the existence of the TVA. If being unexpectedly late for work is something that can throw off the timeline and is thus regulated, doesn't it mean all the events of the MCU were just preordained and therefore inconsequential because they couldn't go any other way?
I'm probably reading too much into it, but while I like the idea of variant Loki, I'm not sure how well the TVA will work out long term.
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I think one of the rumored villains was in the cartoon sequence on what the TVA is.
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Really enjoyed it. It managed to be both fun and deep. I guess my only gripe might be the idea that all free will is sucked out of the universe with the existence of the TVA. If being unexpectedly late for work is something that can throw off the timeline and is thus regulated, doesn't it mean all the events of the MCU were just preordained and therefore inconsequential because they couldn't go any other way?
I'm probably reading too much into it, but while I like the idea of variant Loki, I'm not sure how well the TVA will work out long term.
Loki variant is certainly an adversary not a villain, and my guess is we will rooting for them by shows end.
The TVA is the big bad here, and I like the take they are worse than Thanos, controlling the universe for their needs, not some grand plan. If you are podcast fans, The Ringer Verse does two weekly shows, The Midnight Boys is quick reaction show, humorous and hot takes, and the deep dive show with Mallory Rubin is great too.
It’s documented in the comics that Kang the Conqueor is a timekeeper, and he will probably make an appearance in Loki, and then more in movies like Dr. Strange II, and Ant Man 3.
But in terms of the episode, absolutely loved it. Hiddleston and Wilson are absolutely fantastic together.
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Loki variant is certainly an adversary not a villain, and my guess is we will rooting for them by shows end.
The TVA is the big bad here, and I like the take they are worse than Thanos, controlling the universe for their needs, not some grand plan. If you are podcast fans, The Ringer Verse does two weekly shows, The Midnight Boys is quick reaction show, humorous and hot takes, and the deep dive show with Mallory Rubin is great too.
It’s documented in the comics that Kang the Conqueor is a timekeeper, and he will probably make an appearance in Loki, and then more in movies like Dr. Strange II, and Ant Man 3.
But in terms of the episode, absolutely loved it. Hiddleston and Wilson are absolutely fantastic together.
Kang was in the cartoon sequence in the waiting line
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Would someone who knows very little about Loki or his backstory enjoy this?
I have seen some of the Marvel movies, but nowhere near half of them. I have never watched any more than once, and I have never read the comics.
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Would someone who knows very little about Loki or his backstory enjoy this?
I have seen some of the Marvel movies, but nowhere near half of them. I have never watched any more than once, and I have never read the comics.
if you haven’t seen yet, watch Thor: Ragnorak, in my and many others opinion a top 5 MCU movie, with lots of Loki, and would be an excellent appetizer to the show Loki.
If you haven’t seen the original Avengers and/or Infinity War and Endgame, you might be a bit confused, but you can read recaps. It’s really really well done
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if you haven’t seen yet, watch Thor: Ragnorak, in my and many others opinion a top 5 MCU movie, with lots of Loki, and would be an excellent appetizer to the show Loki.
If you haven’t seen the original Avengers and/or Infinity War and Endgame, you might be a bit confused, but you can read recaps. It’s really really well done
I admit to not liking Ragnarok as much as I thought I would. I know others have really enjoyed it. My favorite Marvel flicks so far have been Black Panther, Iron Man and Captain America Civil War, if that gives any context. I did see Infinity and Endgame -- thought they were OK -- and I do remember Loki, though he didn't resonate much with me.
But I am open-minded, so I'll probably at least check out Loki. Thanks for the info, reinko.
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Hot damn is this show fun.
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Really enjoying it, and it's a perfect setup for Multiverse of Madness. The Hiddleston/Wilson dynamic works great.
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OK, so I watched the first two episodes.
I know that a few Marvel-history-related things probably went over my head, but I'm enjoying the story. And as brewski said, the two leads are really fun to watch. Wilson seems like he's having a blast, and Hiddleston has the "charming scoundrel" thing down pat.
As long as they don't get too deep into the Marvel weeds, I'll keep enjoying it. If they lose me, I'll move on.
One thing I really liked about The Mandalorian was that a viewer didn't have to be a total Star Wars fanboy to enjoy it. My wife, who had seen about 2 hours of anything related to Star Wars in her entire life, loves The Mandalorian. So I hope I can say the same for myself about Loki.
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OK, so I watched the first two episodes.
I know that a few Marvel-history-related things probably went over my head, but I'm enjoying the story. And as brewski said, the two leads are really fun to watch. Wilson seems like he's having a blast, and Hiddleston has the "charming scoundrel" thing down pat.
As long as they don't get too deep into the Marvel weeds, I'll keep enjoying it. If they lose me, I'll move on.
One thing I really liked about The Mandalorian was that a viewer didn't have to be a total Star Wars fanboy to enjoy it. My wife, who had seen about 2 hours of anything related to Star Wars in her entire life, loves The Mandalorian. So I hope I can say the same for myself about Loki.
Good to hear.
All I know is Owen Wilson better be allowed to ride a Jetski before this season wraps.
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I find myself not as anxious about seeing new episodes as soon as they come out. Taking more of a Loki approach.
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I find myself not as anxious about seeing new episodes as soon as they come out. Taking more of a Loki approach.
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I wonder what Chicos would think of Loki revealing he was bisexual.
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I find myself not as anxious about seeing new episodes as soon as they come out. Taking more of a Loki approach.
I suddenly regret opening this thread...
As far as MU82's position... this probably doesn't help your cause, but my wife (who has barely watched any MCU content) enjoyed Scarlet Witch and Falcon & Winter Soldier but last night she put on headphones and told me she wasn't interested in Loki and wasn't following it. Not to discourage... but this one is definitely more tied up into MCU fandom than the other two as far as being able to stand alone. Not because of story line, but just general interest I think.
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Not sure if they'll dig into it, but that's pretty clearly not Lady Loki. The powers, the blonde hair, and the name Sylvie makes that clearly Enchantress.
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Not sure if they'll dig into it, but that's pretty clearly not Lady Loki. The powers, the blonde hair, and the name Sylvie makes that clearly Enchantress.
I tend to agree, and think the comics are certainly a roadmap, but Feige and his team will put their own spin on this version of Sylvie.
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Ep 4
Awesome
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Ep 4
Awesome
So many jaw dropping moments. I thought the blast from the past was big, but that episode just kept making me go "oh damn!"
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Loki finds redemption by learning to love himself.
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Not sure if they'll dig into it, but that's pretty clearly not Lady Loki. The powers, the blonde hair, and the name Sylvie makes that clearly Enchantress.
I don’t know what any of this means.
Nonetheless, I’m still mostly enjoying Loki … but it’s no Mandalorian.
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I really enjoyed Black Widow. Just a good fun action flick. Strong Mission Impossible vibes. I also like how they're quietly setting things up beyond what's scheduled.
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I really enjoyed Black Widow. Just a good fun action flick. Strong Mission Impossible vibes. I also like how they're quietly setting things up beyond what's scheduled.
I saw over the weekend also.
Cleared up some things, set-up some things and was very entertaining the whole way.
It felt good to be back in a movie theater.
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That end credits scene though.
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That end credits scene though.
Coming full circle in the story arc?
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Loki had a bit of Avengers end credit scene extended vibe. I enjoyed the show thoroughly. Still think CAWS was my favorite, but between Black Widow setting up the Disney+ content & Loki setting up the movie Multiverse, they are really tying everything together.
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Hello multiverse
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Just my opinion, but I thought the last episode of Loki was a letdown.
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Just my opinion, but I thought the last episode of Loki was a letdown.
I get it. It was because it was more about setting something up than maybe concluding the Loki/Sylvie journey
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Just my opinion, but I thought the last episode of Loki was a letdown.
Agreed. I thought it was the worst of the 6 episodes. Quite boring. Too much talking. Meh ending.
I'm not a Marvel aficionado so I thought maybe my lack of big-time knowledge of the Marvel universe made me miss something. I'm glad to hear I wasn't alone in loving the season finale.
Overall, though, it was fun and I'm glad I watched it.
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Anyone else watching What If? I'm enjoying it so far, though clearly you can't go super in-depth with 30 minutes. I've heard rumors Captain Carter could show up in Multiverse of Madness, and they are clearly setting up another story with the Star-Lord ending. I always loved those comics conceptually because of the fun and freedom the stories presented.
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Anyone else watching What If? I'm enjoying it so far, though clearly you can't go super in-depth with 30 minutes. I've heard rumors Captain Carter could show up in Multiverse of Madness, and they are clearly setting up another story with the Star-Lord ending. I always loved those comics conceptually because of the fun and freedom the stories presented.
we've been enjoying it. much less at stake in the series and its been nice not having to find all the hidden Easter eggs and fan theories after each episode. A lot more relaxed viewing.
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Anyone else take in Shang Chi this weekend?
We went downtown New Haven to see because it's our favorite and the movie theater finally reopened 2 weeks ago post-Covid.
The theater was packed will Yale students going to see
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I saw it, my buddy rented out a theatre for his sons birthday. Much more relaxed experience.
I thought it was a beautiful film. Without giving any spoilers away too soon, just beautiful sets and choreography.
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The return of a Marvel character who got more screentime than I expected was a fantastic comic relief.
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Anyone else take in Shang Chi this weekend?
We went downtown New Haven to see because it's our favorite and the movie theater finally reopened 2 weeks ago post-Covid.
The theater was packed will Yale students going to see
I liked it a lot.
Probably a bit overrated based off some of the hype but it was really good. One of the best debut marvel movies forsure.
The fight scenes were absolutely nuts.
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The return of a Marvel character who got more screentime than I expected was a fantastic comic relief.
His acknowledgment of the problematic nature of his character was very well done. Sort of a Fourth Wall breaking moment from Marvel to the fans.
I really enjoyed Shang Chi. I loved how they handled Xu Wenwu's (the "real" Mandarin) story arc, the bus fight, and the development of Sean into a legit centerpiece character for the future of the MCU. Truly great cinema.
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Excited to have Awkwafina part of the marvel universe. Enjoyed the film.
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Excited to have Awkwafina part of the marvel universe. Enjoyed the film.
Eh, her character kinda irritated me.
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I went from "of course I'll watch Hawkeye" to "HOLY CRAP I CAN'T WAIT FOR HAWKEYE!!!!!!!!!" after watching this trailer today. Looks like the MCU Die Hard.
https://youtu.be/RYlUsUBqf_s
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About time Marvel did a holiday themed production
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About time Marvel did a holiday themed production
isn't there going to literally be a Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas special?
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The older daughter was home for Fall Break and is a Tom Hardy fan so wanted to see Venom. The symbiote comments in the film are funny. Also, apparently, Venom is now officially in the MCU.
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It's Rogers: The Musical Day! Or, Hawkeye Day, if you prefer. I watched the first episode on Disney+. I love Renner as Barton and am really looking forward to this one. He's done a good job of taking a character that always felt like a throwaway in the Avengers, which made him even more of a throwaway because for so long Avengers took a back seat to the X-Men, Spidey, and other more popular Marvel properties. Renner has just had so many great moments and I like Hailee Steinfeld as the Bishop casting. Couple that with the holiday theme and it should be a fun ride.
Interesting that Eternals didn't lead to a bump in this thread. I saw it...it was fine. Probably ranks bottom half of MCU movies for me. A few thoughts...
- Pacing was too slow. Beautiful film, but Chloe Zhao just didn't move it along like a typical MCU movie. I think that's why the lukewarm reception.
- I liked how they set up having the Eternals not get involved previously, and how the snap impacted the overall storyline. That was a tough needle to thread and I thought the explanation worked well.
- Good choice to stick closer to the Gaiman story than Kirby; Jack was brilliant but his original Eternals stuff was really out there. Also liked the villain twist they threw in there, which felt Gaiman-inspired but was still a turn from his source material.
- Going forward, I love Dane and Sersei as characters moving into a New Avengers. Also love how we get the first whispers (words rather) of Blade; that was Mahershala Ali's voice talking to Dane as he was looking at the Ebony Blade.
- Be interesting to see if they set up parallel MCU Earth and MCU Cosmic storylines. I'd love to see them follow the Secret Invasion and Kang stuff with the earthbound heroes while using Fantastic Four as a launching point toward stories like Annihilation with the Guardians, Cosmic Eternals, Starfox, Adam Warlock, and Nova (fingers crossed).
- More than anything, this felt like a table-setter. It will be an important movie down the line and will probably be better on the rewatch, but in the moment landed a bit flat.
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Thanks Brew.
I have not seen Eternals yet mainly because my wife and I have had something else on the calendar every weekend since it's release. The kids are home this week and we'll probably go to the movies on Saturday. Either Eternals or Ghostbusters - kids choice.
Hawkeye series will probably have to wait until after Dec 18 when kid number two is home for Christmas break since both will want to see.
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I tried to avoid too many spoilers ;)
I really liked the Gaiman Eternals series so I think I might have enjoyed the stuff they borrowed from that more than some and it really is visually stunning.
Saving Hawkeye for Christmas seems appropriate ;D
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Hawkeye is the clear beginning of getting the old Netflix marvel crossed into the current.
Far from home will double down on it
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Hawkeye is the clear beginning of getting the old Netflix marvel crossed into the current.
Far from home will double down on it
I know they've rumored a Murdock cameo in FFH or She Hulk, but it would be something if they worked some of it into this series. Fisk or Bullseye would be perfect fits. Though obviously right now we're waiting for Yelena, though I don't expect her until about halfway through, and probably just for one or two episodes.
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I know they've rumored a Murdock cameo in FFH or She Hulk, but it would be something if they worked some of it into this series. Fisk or Bullseye would be perfect fits. Though obviously right now we're waiting for Yelena, though I don't expect her until about halfway through, and probably just for one or two episodes.
Really hope the smoke about D’Onofrio making his return to the MCU as Kingpin is true.
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I know they've rumored a Murdock cameo in FFH or She Hulk, but it would be something if they worked some of it into this series. Fisk or Bullseye would be perfect fits. Though obviously right now we're waiting for Yelena, though I don't expect her until about halfway through, and probably just for one or two episodes.
The unsubstantiated rumors(but appearing likely) are that Kingpin shows up in Hawkeye.
Murdock in lawyer form in Spidey
And then the entire main group from DD show up in the Echo series which is confirmed to air.
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Has there been any confirmation on mutants?
Felt like Eternals was setting up Galactus as well.
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Has there been any confirmation on mutants?
Felt like Eternals was setting up Galactus as well.
No, but it's certainly coming. It will be interesting to see how they introduce them. Guessing they want to get some time away from the last X-Men movies, and probably want Hugh Jackman to get into his 60s so casual fans are more accepting when they recast Wolverine. I would guess Fantastic Four gets the November 2023 spot (family movie in time for Thanksgiving and the holidays) and Blade the February 2024 spot (Mahershala Ali leading a franchise in Black History Month).
Beyond the current schedule, we know Captain America 4 is coming, a likely Deadpool movie, a Shang-Chi sequel, and I think there's a decent chance we get a Young Avengers movie to take on Kang. That gets them into 2025 without touching properties like Nova, Infinity Watch, or Ghost Rider (all seem likely given what we've already seen) or cinematically expanding on Black Knight, Jane Foster Thor, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman, Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers, all of which seem likely.
My guess is we eventually get a Wanda stand-alone movie in which she inadvertently creates mutants, or we learn a few have existed all along (Magneto, Logan, Xavier) and she whispers "More mutants" to do an inverse House of M. But I don't think they'll go down that road until near the end of the decade, which is frankly kind of crazy considering how long people have wanted mutants in the MCU.
EDIT: And agree that Galactus is coming. Eternals showed the capability for the scope of Galactus. Guessing we'll see those whispers in Fantastic Four or one of their sequels. And definitely see Norrin Radd eventually as well, hopefully with some of the other Heralds coming along.
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First episode was a little clunky. Not sold on Hailee Steinfeld yet.
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Hawkeye E3 was the best single episode of any MCU show so far. The combination of exposition and action was awesome. I'll be interested to see how they tie Echo's dad in, but between the meaty hand in the dojo and the "Fat Man" repair shop, pretty clear who's coming.
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Hawkeye E3 was the best single episode of any MCU show so far. The combination of exposition and action was awesome. I'll be interested to see how they tie Echo's dad in, but between the meaty hand in the dojo and the "Fat Man" repair shop, pretty clear who's coming.
It was cool to See Lou Diamond Philips again. It's been awhile.
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That guy named after the Woody Harrelson, Bill Murray, Randy Quaid movie?
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Hawkeye E3 was the best single episode of any MCU show so far. The combination of exposition and action was awesome. I'll be interested to see how they tie Echo's dad in, but between the meaty hand in the dojo and the "Fat Man" repair shop, pretty clear who's coming.
I'm so excited. While I didn't love everything about the Daredevil series, the Fat Man was so perfectly acted. Excited to see more of him.
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Caught up on Shang Chi and Black Widow.
Shang Chi was excellent.
Black Widow was meh.
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Caught up on Shang Chi and Black Widow.
Shang Chi was excellent.
Black Widow was meh.
Black Widow felt average, which is a disappointment for the MCU. What really disappointed me was that it was an opportunity to set up Easter eggs and future stories, but it felt like Yelena was the only (and most predictable) piece of plot setup.
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Hawkeye is awesome. Quickly becoming my favorite MCU show. I really hope we get another season, though I suppose it depends on how it all plays out.
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Hawkeye is awesome. Quickly becoming my favorite MCU show. I really hope we get another season, though I suppose it depends on how it all plays out.
Agreed, if it sticks the last 2 eps, will overtake Loki for me, and clearly already better than What If, Wandavision, and Falcon.
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Watched E4 with the family last night. Loving the ongoing PTSD discussion.
They have a lot of ground to cover and situations to resolve in two episodes. It will be very interesting.
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Expecting to see D'Onofrio as Kingpin next week. Pretty sure that was his hand in E3. Also guessing we'll learn that Laura is Bobbi Morse.
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Expecting to see D'Onofrio as Kingpin next week. Pretty sure that was his hand in E3. Also guessing we'll learn that Laura is Bobbi Morse.
Marvel likes blending secondary characters from the comics into another.
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Obvious
But great to see regardless
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Interesting that Eternals didn't lead to a bump in this thread. I saw it...it was fine. Probably ranks bottom half of MCU movies for me. A few thoughts...
- Pacing was too slow. Beautiful film, but Chloe Zhao just didn't move it along like a typical MCU movie. I think that's why the lukewarm reception.
- I liked how they set up having the Eternals not get involved previously, and how the snap impacted the overall storyline. That was a tough needle to thread and I thought the explanation worked well.
- Good choice to stick closer to the Gaiman story than Kirby; Jack was brilliant but his original Eternals stuff was really out there. Also liked the villain twist they threw in there, which felt Gaiman-inspired but was still a turn from his source material.
- Going forward, I love Dane and Sersei as characters moving into a New Avengers. Also love how we get the first whispers (words rather) of Blade; that was Mahershala Ali's voice talking to Dane as he was looking at the Ebony Blade.
- Be interesting to see if they set up parallel MCU Earth and MCU Cosmic storylines. I'd love to see them follow the Secret Invasion and Kang stuff with the earthbound heroes while using Fantastic Four as a launching point toward stories like Annihilation with the Guardians, Cosmic Eternals, Starfox, Adam Warlock, and Nova (fingers crossed).
- More than anything, this felt like a table-setter. It will be an important movie down the line and will probably be better on the rewatch, but in the moment landed a bit flat.
I finally saw Eternals this past weekend.
Your summary is a good description. I think this one will look better in a few years after several more Marvel movies cycle through. As you noted, there is so much set on the table that it's hard to piece together until the follow-up films.
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Is this Marvel’s Die Hard?
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LOVED far from home aside from the ending.
Really hope they don’t stick with that for long. Like reverse quickly come the next movie.
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Far From Home was one of the most mind-blowing MCU movies so far. Just so many "holy <bleep>" moments. I loved it. Not sure if it's a top-5 MCU movie, but it's close and certainly in my top-10, no hesitation.
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Oh, and Hawkeye continues to deliver. Brilliant show. Hailee Steinfeld is a great casting. She interacts so well with Renner and Pugh.
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LOVED far from home aside from the ending.
Really hope they don’t stick with that for long. Like reverse quickly come the next movie.
Great way to build suspense on how to undo the ending. Loved the film. Curious if we see Spider-Man swinging in at the end of Hawkeye
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Great way to build suspense on how to undo the ending. Loved the film. Curious if we see Spider-Man swinging in at the end of Hawkeye
I wondered about that ending as well. Definitely looked Hawkeyeish.
Also, a thing to mention on this movie. Garfield and Dafoe turned in legitimate supporting actor performances. Like they should true Oscar consideration. They were both stellar
Holland was obviously fantastic as well.
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It’ll never happen but Dafoe deserves an Oscar nomination at the very minimum.
That dude is so talented.
Green Goblin is a top-3 MCU villain.
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Season Finale of Hawkeye.
Wow! That episode covered a lot of ground and as usual Marvel left unopened future threads of "what happened and what's next" and "what's the backstory on this one?"
Going to see Spiderman on Sunday with the family.
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'Rogers the Musical' was enough to make me regret the whole thing.
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'Rogers the Musical' was enough to make me regret the whole thing.
Ha, I loved that scene so much.
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'Rogers the Musical' was enough to make me regret the whole thing.
I've been singing the song since the finale. Stuck in my head!
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I've been singing the song since the finale. Stuck in my head!
I could do this all DAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
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No Way Home was incredible. The storytelling and layering of the plot was next level stuff. They took a complex concept, and made it into a heartfelt buddy drama. I’d go as far to say it should be nominated for Best Picture. There should be supporting role nominees from this film, Garfield/Dafoe are so damn good in this.
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I was thinking about fun, albeit unlikely, multiverse theories today.
So Chris Evans is done as Captain America, but imagine a multiverse scenario where they re-introduce him as Johnny Storm when the eventually bring the Fantastic 4 into the fold.
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I was thinking about fun, albeit unlikely, multiverse theories today.
So Chris Evans is done as Captain America, but imagine a multiverse scenario where they re-introduce him as Johnny Storm when the eventually bring the Fantastic 4 into the fold.
That'd be pretty hilarious, if they do try to introduce one of the previous F4 though would you really prefer him over say Michael B Jordan again?
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Binged Loki, Hawkeye and watched No Way Home during this past weekend's hangover.
No Way Home was great if you're really into the MCU for sure but my fiancé hated it as a casual viewer.
Loki was excellent.
Hawkeye was fantastic.
Question: Now that Murdock (as same actor) and Kingpin (as same actor) are in the MCU are we to assume that this officially makes the various Netflix series MCU canon now?
(Btws still haven't seen eternals so if there's an answer in that don't tell me)
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Binged Loki, Hawkeye and watched No Way Home during this past weekend's hangover.
No Way Home was great if you're really into the MCU for sure but my fiancé hated it as a casual viewer.
Loki was excellent.
Hawkeye was fantastic.
Question: Now that Murdock (as same actor) and Kingpin (as same actor) are in the MCU are we to assume that this officially makes the various Netflix series MCU canon now?
(Btws still haven't seen eternals so if there's an answer in that don't tell me)
I think Matt Murdock & Kingpin make Netflix canon now. Brew may have more info on. I heard viewership of Daredevil on Netflix has re-skyrocketed again.
Eternals is on Disney Plus January 12.
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I was thinking about fun, albeit unlikely, multiverse theories today.
So Chris Evans is done as Captain America, but imagine a multiverse scenario where they re-introduce him as Johnny Storm when the eventually bring the Fantastic 4 into the fold.
There is rumor of a top secret Marvel movie. It ties in with Scarlet Johansson settling with Disney and hired to produce a movie and another unconfirmed story from earlier in 2021 that Chris Evans may have signed to do another movie with an option for a second. Supposedly Chris Evans is not Captain America, he is "Nomad" alongside Black Widow and The Falcon and it takes place between the end of CA: Civil War and the beginning of Avengers Infinity War.
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Binged Loki, Hawkeye and watched No Way Home during this past weekend's hangover.
No Way Home was great if you're really into the MCU for sure but my fiancé hated it as a casual viewer.
Loki was excellent.
Hawkeye was fantastic.
Question: Now that Murdock (as same actor) and Kingpin (as same actor) are in the MCU are we to assume that this officially makes the various Netflix series MCU canon now?
(Btws still haven't seen eternals so if there's an answer in that don't tell me)
They don’t appear to be the same versions of the characters as the Netflix tho.
This kingpin was definitely different. Not just the obvious enhancements of abilities either.
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That'd be pretty hilarious, if they do try to introduce one of the previous F4 though would you really prefer him over say Michael B Jordan again?
No, but only because deep down I really hope Killmonger somehow comes back because I think he’s a top-3 MCU villain.
Speaking of, here is my top-3 MCU villains.
1. Barron Zemo
2. Green Goblin
3. Killmonger
Though if we’re counting the Netflix shows as cannon now, David Tennant’s Kilgrave is far and away the best villain in the expanded universe.
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Though if we’re counting the Netflix shows as cannon now, David Tennant’s Kilgrave is far and away the best villain in the expanded universe.
The Netlix shows had some of the best villains of the MCU. Kingpin, Kilgrave, and Bishop probably all crack my top 10.
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They don’t appear to be the same versions of the characters as the Netflix tho.
This kingpin was definitely different. Not just the obvious enhancements of abilities either.
Fair point. Could make it easier to redo any Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, etc missteps that don't work with the broader MCU logic.
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Fair point. Could make it easier to redo any Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, etc missteps that don't work with the broader MCU logic.
Yeah back when the returns were just “rumors” over the last year. I read that the intention was to make the character loosely based on the shows.
Basically they would abandon the main plot threads but try to keep the portrayals similar while in the case of kingpin enhancing him to more MCU formidable.
It’s also rumored(now looking likely) that the DD cast will find themselves in the Echo show. Foggy and Karen included.
I loved the shows especially DD and Puny so it’s a bummer they ended with so much left. But this is a good consolation. Cannot wait for Bernthal back as Punisher
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Follow up: did we ever learn if Agents of Shield and Agent Carter are canon or not?
Never watched Carter and only the first two seasons of shield but trying to get caught up.
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Been reading a lot of speculative boards. Sounds like Murdock & Fisk are indeed the same characters and both will return in Echo, or at least same enough that they will use the Netflix series as background. I think we probably get Matt back in She-Hulk too, but sounds like Echo is likely table-setter for Daredevil: Season 4. Not sure what it means for Jessica Jones, Cage, Punisher, or Iron Fist, though I could see Matt being the inspiration for a new Defenders team with She-Hulk.
I would love to know what the actual Disney+ schedule will look like, as I'm guessing there's a second Hawkeye season, some Netflix crossover, and more we're not aware of.
Rumors of a Black Widow 2 with Florence Pugh's Yelena and Hailee Steinfeld's Kate Bishop in a buddy cop type film.
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Follow up: did we ever learn if Agents of Shield and Agent Carter are canon or not?
Never watched Carter and only the first two seasons of shield but trying to get caught up.
I think I only watched the first two season of AofS also. My kids said it jumped the shark (but in Gen Z speak) at the end and we stopped watching.
I watched S1 of Agent Carter. There were only like 8-10 episodes. I missed S2 and thought I may eventually watch on Disney+.
I found this on Agent Carter. Says it's canon.
https://insidethemagic.net/2021/10/mcu-hayley-atwell-agent-carter-jm1/
I found this on AofS. Says it's NOT canon.
https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-agents-of-shield-mcu-canon-question
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/marvel-agents-of-shield-agent-carter-canon/
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Having Jarvis from Agent Carter in Endgame seemed like a wink at that show being canon.
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Agents of Sheild was fun... but jumping the Shark is an understatement. Only way it could be compatible with MCU is if it's an alternate universe from the main one in the MCU
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Moon Knight episode 1 dropped today. I enjoyed it. Definitely leaning hard into the horror realm, and opening the door for more of that in Multiverse of Madness, Blade, and potentially other Midnight Sons properties down the line.
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Moon Knight episode 1 dropped today. I enjoyed it. Definitely leaning hard into the horror realm, and opening the door for more of that in Multiverse of Madness, Blade, and potentially other Midnight Sons properties down the line.
Thanks for the reminder on this release. I forgot that it was dropping soon.
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Gosh Oscar Isaac is great.
Sure didn’t feel like that episode was 40 minutes long. Absolutely flew by.
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https://twitter.com/lightscamerapod/status/1509956834324586502?s=21&t=9Q8q8xd9fLnhfhdnAzpU7w
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Moon Knight has not gotten less weird.
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Moon Knight has not gotten less weird.
Oscar Isaac has been awesome.
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Yes.
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Moon Knight has not gotten less weird.
The wife and I caught up this weekend. It's very different than the other Marvel shows and movies.
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Moon Knight has not gotten less weird.
First 3 episodes bored me. Last 2 were great. Feels like they have a lot of loose ends to tie up in episode 6. Oscar Isaacs isn’t tied to anything outside of this, so…
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The Isaac contract makes it interesting. If he isn't tied to the character, will they pass the mantle to Layla? Though they did hint at her possibly being Scarlet Scarab as her father had the Scarlet Scarab logo on his clothes in E5. This feels like it would've been a great opportunity to tie in to Strange, but I can't see that with the Isaac contract in doubt.
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Moon Knight finale was... Fine?
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Moon Knight finale was... Fine?
I liked it. Good action sequence and clearly was designed to augur a future for these characters, even if we don't know Oscar's contract status. I saw an interview where May Calamaway talked about wanting to work with Taika Waititi. Made me wonder if we might get a glimpse of any of these characters (Khonshu, Tawaret, or the avatars) in Love and Thunder.
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Setting up a Marvel version of American Gods? ;D
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I liked it. Good action sequence and clearly was designed to augur a future for these characters, even if we don't know Oscar's contract status. I saw an interview where May Calamaway talked about wanting to work with Taika Waititi. Made me wonder if we might get a glimpse of any of these characters (Khonshu, Tawaret, or the avatars) in Love and Thunder.
I read yesterday she isn’t under contract other than this, either
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Setting up a Marvel version of American Gods? ;D
The main villain in Love and Thunder is going to be Gorr, the God Butcher, played by Christian Bale. Guessing they'll give him some gods to battle and/or kill to make sure he's seen as a legitimate threat. That's likely why we've seen Zeus in the trailers. Probably some Greek gods that will be making both their first and last appearances in L&T.
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I'm just now watching No Way Home.
Granted, I'm only halfway through.
This is bad
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Strange was dumb.
The post endgame direction is gonna make a lot of these movies difficult for me.
Not into the overall direction of the multiverse and magic.
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Just got back from Strange. Meh.
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I liked it
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I like magic MCU & the turn to a more comic book nature of the world. I really enjoyed Strange from an aesthetic perspective and my biggest worry was that they would overreach with all the storyline rumors, but they kept it tight and cohesive. The fan service was also excellent.
We're seeing the MCU expand so it has genres within the genre. What I loved about the early MCU was how you had different genres contained in the overall universe. You had the spy movie Winter Soldier, the space opera Guardians of the Galaxy, the heist movie Ant-Man, and they brought all those together for the Avengers/Infinity events.
With the series option, they can expand on that. The spy movie is now its own genre (F&WS, Black Widow, Hawkeye). So are cosmic (Guardians, Thor, Eternals, Marvels), magic (Strange, WandaVision), mech suit (Iron Man, Armor Wars, Ironheart), and many others to come. I expect this is how we'll come to Fantastic Four, X-Men, and other properties, by carving out a corner inside the genre.
Anything that gives us this much world building and fan service I'm going to love. It's everything 1990s me ever wanted.
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I like magic MCU & the turn to a more comic book nature of the world. I really enjoyed Strange from an aesthetic perspective and my biggest worry was that they would overreach with all the storyline rumors, but they kept it tight and cohesive. The fan service was also excellent.
We're seeing the MCU expand so it has genres within the genre. What I loved about the early MCU was how you had different genres contained in the overall universe. You had the spy movie Winter Soldier, the space opera Guardians of the Galaxy, the heist movie Ant-Man, and they brought all those together for the Avengers/Infinity events.
With the series option, they can expand on that. The spy movie is now its own genre (F&WS, Black Widow, Hawkeye). So are cosmic (Guardians, Thor, Eternals, Marvels), magic (Strange, WandaVision), mech suit (Iron Man, Armor Wars, Ironheart), and many others to come. I expect this is how we'll come to Fantastic Four, X-Men, and other properties, by carving out a corner inside the genre.
Anything that gives us this much world building and fan service I'm going to love. It's everything 1990s me ever wanted.
I don’t know how tight and cohesive I’d call it but it was fine from a popcorn viewing experience. Sam Raimi was certainly the director given the various devices used throughout the film. Had more recalls to Darkman than Spider-Man from a directing standpoint in my mind but that’s fine.
Very curious of the one cameo and if that’s the future of that character and friends or if that was strictly a fan service moment given the casting wishes of the fans
Was legit surprised at the first post-credit scene and excited for that particular character/actress and potential storylines
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I have not seen yet but read the Rolling Stone interview with Sam last week. He said it was a difficult film to make because it was a sequel to 3 Marvel movies and shows and the fact that they were still writing parts of the script due to tight Disney requested deadlines. He said making this film reinvigorated him as a director. He wants to make Spiderman 4 or another Marvel move and Tobey McGuire and Kristen Dunst were two of the best actors he ever worked with. (At some point he was working to make some other movie with the both of them but it didn't pan out )
I will hope to see in the next week or so
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I don’t know how tight and cohesive I’d call it but it was fine from a popcorn viewing experience. Sam Raimi was certainly the director given the various devices used throughout the film. Had more recalls to Darkman than Spider-Man from a directing standpoint in my mind but that’s fine.
Very curious of the one cameo and if that’s the future of that character and friends or if that was strictly a fan service moment given the casting wishes of the fans
Was legit surprised at the first post-credit scene and excited for that particular character/actress and potential storylines
Considering the potential of venturing into more of the What If? storylines, more multiple villain options that were foreshadowed, and how many universes were glimpsed but not explored, it could've been far less cohesive. Boiling it to the characters and relatively straight line plot they did made for a better movie from a popcorn plot perspective.
My guess is that one cameo you allude to was just a one-off. 10 years ago, it's probably the long-term foreshadow, but I think they'll go in a different direction, especially as that project may be delayed with recent developments.
And agree on that post credit reveal. Gave me the same "oh we're doing this" vibes that seeing Patton Oswalt as Pip and Harry Styles as Starfox gave in the Eternals post credits.
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I don’t know how tight and cohesive I’d call it but it was fine from a popcorn viewing experience. Sam Raimi was certainly the director given the various devices used throughout the film. Had more recalls to Darkman than Spider-Man from a directing standpoint in my mind but that’s fine.
Very curious of the one cameo and if that’s the future of that character and friends or if that was strictly a fan service moment given the casting wishes of the fans
Was legit surprised at the first post-credit scene and excited for that particular character/actress and potential storylines
I finally saw Dr. Strange 2 over the weekend. An entertaining film.
Like Uncle Rico, I'm curious of the one cameo and if that’s the future of that character and friends or if that was strictly a fan service moment given the casting wishes of the fans. In the same scene/part of the movie is that an official introduction for another character (the film has already been announced with no casting names) since these characters are nearly the same in all multi-verses?
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Ms Marvel is pure joy. Aesthetically creative, excellent casting, for my money the best pilot so far. Really enjoyed the first episode.
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Ms Marvel is pure joy. Aesthetically creative, excellent casting, for my money the best pilot so far. Really enjoyed the first episode.
Eh, wasn’t a fan. Probably my second least favorite pilot behind Wandavision.
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Eh, wasn’t a fan. Probably my second least favorite pilot behind Wandavision.
Sexist
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Ms Marvel remains awesome. Quite possibly the best MCU series so far. Captures the mix of teen angst, parental drama, and the supernatural that made Buffy such a brilliantly relatable superhero show. Not to mention awesome aesthetics, the by far best lead casting so far, and the most comic book feel of any show so far. The definition of joy on screen.
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Thor was very ok.
Marvel has become very oversaturated with all the Disney+ content and still many movies a year mostly new stories. My fear was it died with endgame. I still feel that.
Better than Dr. Strange and Eternals? Yes. But thats not saying much when Thor should be one of your ringers.
Its not often I say a movie needed to be longer. But this absolutely did. Needed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more Bale. A great villain badly underused.
And the tone was a sh it show.
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Yeah it was fine. Tried pretty hard to be as funny as Ragnarok, which felt more natural.
I’m sure people will handle all the gay relationships in the movie with grace.
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Good, fun popcorn movie. I don't imagine we'll look at it as moving the MCU forward the way other recent MCU movies have, but still entertaining. I did like how they brought Jane back in and Gorr was excellent.
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I saw over the weekend and thought it was enjoyable fun for a summer popcorn film.
I thought the GOTG would have a bigger role, but it was probably better they didn't.
Sneaky tie-ins to the Eternals and an inferred loose tie-in to Moonknight.
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Ms Marvel finale was fantastic. The last five minutes open the door to so much MCU expansion going forward. This show just finishes with such strong Buffy vibes. This was my favorite MCU show so far by a mile.
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Lots of announcements from Comic-Con. First, the timeline:
Phase 4: Ends with Wakanda Forever (Nov 11, 2022)
Phase 5
- Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantamania (Feb 17, 2023)
- Secret Invasion (Spring 2023 on D+)
- Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol 3 (May 5, 2023)
- Echo (Summer 2023 on D+)
- Loki S2 (Summer 2023 on D+)
- The Marvels (July 28, 2023)
- Blade (November 3, 2023)
- Ironheart (Fall 2023 on D+)
- Agatha: Coven of Chaos (Winter 2023/24 on D+)
- Daredevil: Born Again (Spring 2024 on D+)
- Captain America: New World Order (May 3, 2024)
- Thunderbolts (July 26, 2024)
Phase 6
- Fantastic 4 (November 28, 2024)
- Avengers: The Kang Dynasty (May 2, 2025)
- Avengers: Secret Wars (November 7, 2025)
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I thought this last three are end if phase 5?
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Phase 4 was a bust.
But pumped about the future.
Cannot wait for DD to return. 18 eps?? Lets go.
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Wakanda Forever looks amazing.
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Phase 4 was a bust.
But pumped about the future.
Cannot wait for DD to return. 18 eps?? Lets go.
I think Phase 4 was like Phase 1. It's just setup. I thought we got three good movies (Shang-Chi, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness), two that were more to set up the future (Eternals, Love & Thunder), and Black Widow to close Natasha's story. Hopefully Wakanda Forever can be a signature movie like Avengers was to cap it off and launch us into the next two phases.
The TV side was also huge, and I thought some of it (Ms Marvel, WandaVision, Hawkeye) was truly excellent.
Regardless, it was all just prelude to the Phase 6 Avengers movies, similar to how Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, First Avenger, and Thor were prelude to the Phase 3 Infinity movies. A few thoughts after seeing the announcements at Comic-Con. First, Phase 4:
- Armor Wars: We get Riri Williams in Wakanda Forever, I'm expecting she will end up at MIT and we'll see MJ & Ned in Ironheart. Who all ends up with Stark Tech will be interesting, but I'm guessing it will pave the way for Thunderbolts as well as Ned becoming Hobgoblin. My guess is Armor Wars will be in Phase 6, since there are no TV series announced there yet.
- Quantamania: Have to think we'll get a first glimpse of the Fantastic 4 here, maybe in a post-credit. Otherwise, entirely possible they reveal the cast at D23. Guessing we could see some original Guardians parallels as they set up Kang to be the next big bad ala Thanos.
- Secret Invasion: Supposed to be a suspenseful, bordering on horror type thriller. Will be interesting to see how this impacts things going forward, as it could effect both cosmic (GOTG3, Marvels) and street level (Echo, Daredevil, Cap) storylines.
- Daredevil: Born Again: How they turn a 7-issue arc into 18 episodes will be interesting. Guessing they'll break it into two 9-part segments to hit multiple Emmy seasons.
- Thunderbolts: No coincidence that this comes right out of the next Cap movie. What will the roster be? Baron Zemo as Citizen V is a given. Ghost replacing Goliath seems plausible. I think there's a chance we get Roscoe Sweeney from Daredevil (Fixer character, was an original Thunderbolt) in Stark Tech and possibly another Stark villain. Finally seeing Thunderbolt Ross as Red Hulk is also possible. Other candidates would include Abomination, Sonny Burch, Taskmaster, Bullseye, and Batroc.
Spider-Man gets his own category:
- Hobgoblin: Ned meets Riri at MIT, perfect opportunity for him to play around with Stark Tech, which sets him up as the best friend/villain trope the Peters talked about in NWH. Of course, Peter won't realize it's Ned until after a couple battles.
- The Black Suit: In the comics, Spider-Man first encounters the symbiote in the Secret Wars comics. My guess is the symbiote that remained in 616 after Brock's cantina visit will join up with Peter on Battleworld. That sets up a two-villain return to earth in 2026's Spider-Man: Home Alone when the symbiote leaves him to become Venom and Ned's Hobgoblin moves to center stage.
- Norman Osborne: Will they or won't they? I could see Zemo getting the Norman Osborne "save the world, become the villain running earth's security" job, but another Spidey movie where Spider-Man is alone and friendless sets up perfectly for a new group of acquaintances that includes both Harry and Norman.
- Background Character: With everyone (except maybe Dr. Strange?) forgetting Spidey, I think we might see him become a background character who shows up everywhere. Rumors that Matt Murdock or Jen Walters will have to defend him in court, the Daily Bugle news stream with Jonah talking about the Spider-Menace as someone flips through channels, maybe getting into a fight with Johnny Storm in F4. Sony doesn't have to release a movie until mid-2027 to keep the license.
And what's missing?
- There are two big movie gaps in the calendar. February 2024 and Summer 2025. It wouldn't surprise me if we get something added in to one or both of those slots, maybe Deadpool 3.
- What If? season 2 wasn't on the calendar, but on Friday they confirmed at the animation special that it's coming in early 2023.
- Marvel Zombies and Spider-Man: Freshman Year are likely to be added to Phase 5/6 on the animation side.
- No series announced for Phase 6, but expanding on Hawkeye, Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, or the street level (Punisher, Cage, Jessica Jones?) seems possible, as does Nova (after GOTG3) or the new Wakanda series. I definitely think a fourth movie and 2-4 more series are on the table for Phase 6.
- Hanging storylines include a possible War of the Realms with Zeus (and Herc factoring in to Battleworld), Starfox and where the space-bound Eternals go (maybe GOTG3 crossover?), where Clea took Strange (Dark Dimension, or maybe Battleworld?), what Sharon Carter is up to, the Young Avengers coming together, and the now-acknowledged presence of mutation.
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I Am Groot is a fun little watch. It's 5 episodes, each is listed at 6 minutes each, but probably only take 3-4 minutes to watch before the credits roll. Nothing required or ground-breaking, but enjoyable. You can probably watch it all in about 20 minutes.
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She-Hulk was pleasant. A breezy 40 minutes setting up the rest.
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She-Hulk was pleasant. A breezy 40 minutes setting up the rest.
Tatiana Maslany is so good. Feels like a fun window to a more regular side of the MCU.
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I finally finished Ms. Marvel last week. I was skeptical after the first episode, but I ended up really liking the series. It had Spiderman: Homecoming vibes of a kid just trying to find her way in high school tied in with her Pakistani heritage. My wife was loving the music and I caught her adding a 1/2 dozen Pakistani rap songs to her Playlist as the episodes progressed. And somehow they worked in the Multiverse, Captain Marvel and the first mention of X-Men.
We'll start watching She-Hulk after dropping daughter #2 off at UVM this weekend.
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Very interesting She-Hulk. Blonsky teasing Thunderbolts, where is Bruce headed (family reunion?), and a pretty clear Wolverine reference? Fun ride and dropping lots of future hints. Plus Larry Appleton!
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Fun so far.
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I want a Hulk multi-verse mash up with Ed Norton and Eric Bana.
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While I appreciate the She-Hulk nods to the old John Byrne fourth wall breaking in the finale, it was a bit much for me. The show had its highs and lows. I liked the humor and different tone, but the facial CGI for Jen wasn't great and as much as I liked Maslany and the guest of the week approach, it was probably the weakest MCU TV outing so far. Particularly disappointing on the heels of Ms Marvel, which I felt was the best.
That said, Werewolf by Night was fantastic. They absolutely killed it. Just the right mix of horror, camp, gore, humor, and all with a Marvel touch. If you haven't watched it, definitely do. It's really good.
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While I appreciate the She-Hulk nods to the old John Byrne fourth wall breaking in the finale, it was a bit much for me. The show had its highs and lows. I liked the humor and different tone, but the facial CGI for Jen wasn't great and as much as I liked Maslany and the guest of the week approach, it was probably the weakest MCU TV outing so far. Particularly disappointing on the heels of Ms Marvel, which I felt was the best.
That said, Werewolf by Night was fantastic. They absolutely killed it. Just the right mix of horror, camp, gore, humor, and all with a Marvel touch. If you haven't watched it, definitely do. It's really good.
Laura Donnelly nailed the horror/noir femme fatale perfectly as Elsa Bloodstone. It might be their best TV product.
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I thought She-Hulk succeeded in what it was trying to be. A sit com. A break from the norm. A story aimed at women. My wife laughed more at it than any other sit com recently. The final episode's self deprecation was awesome.
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While I appreciate the She-Hulk nods to the old John Byrne fourth wall breaking in the finale, it was a bit much for me. The show had its highs and lows. I liked the humor and different tone, but the facial CGI for Jen wasn't great and as much as I liked Maslany and the guest of the week approach, it was probably the weakest MCU TV outing so far. Particularly disappointing on the heels of Ms Marvel, which I felt was the best.
That said, Werewolf by Night was fantastic. They absolutely killed it. Just the right mix of horror, camp, gore, humor, and all with a Marvel touch. If you haven't watched it, definitely do. It's really good.
Given She-Hulk's history of breaking the fourth wall throughout the comics, I enjoyed the show. Thought it was a nice tribute to the original character and liked that they switched things up from the typical marvel show. I didn't love the finale, the conversation with KEVIN was great, but I don't like how they cleaned up everything off camera. All in all I enjoyed it and would like another season. Wished they did more after credits scenes because the first couple were gold.
Interestingly, I didn't love Ms. Marvel. It was fine but a good superhero show is driven by the quality of its villain and neither the Clandestines nor Damage Control really did it for me. She-Hulk didn't have a strong villain either but it's not really a superhero show.
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Finally watched Dr. Strange 2 on a flight.
Wtf was that?
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Interestingly, I didn't love Ms. Marvel. It was fine but a good superhero show is driven by the quality of its villain and neither the Clandestines nor Damage Control really did it for me. She-Hulk didn't have a strong villain either but it's not really a superhero show.
I agree when it comes to movies, but when it comes to the shows, it's the strength of the protagonist's journey in my opinion. Especially when some of these villains like Agatha, Sharon Carter, Zemo, Kingpin, and Kang only show up for parts of 1-2 episodes or don't play an antagonistic role for much of the series. The combination of Iman Vellani's palpable joy in the role and what I felt was the best and most unique hero's journey so far is what put Ms. Marvel over the top. As an old school Buffy fan, I also particularly loved the combination of a Scooby gang with family drama having just as much importance as superhero stuff did to the story.
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Watched Thor love and thunder as well.
Eh
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Watched Thor love and thunder as well.
Eh
It was quite pedestrian. Not sure the motivation of any of the characters
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Wakanda Forever was very good. They really handled Chadwick's death well. Tenoch Huerta was awesome as Namor. Just the right mix of power and arrogance. The way they modernized his character (particularly the origin of his name) was fantastic. Set up the future of the MCU very well.
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Guardians holiday special is fun. Entirely predictable, but love the characters and the franchise. Really too bad that the next Guardians will likely be it for James Gunn in the MCU.
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New Antman is getting absolutely raked over the coals.
I keep saying it but Marvel died with endgame.
All the alt reality stuff. Time travel. Deus ex machina. New characters. It just aint it. Its too much. Over saturated.
The characters and stories are gone and its just CGI madness.
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New Guardians was excellent. All three movies are solid, I'd put 3 just behind the original. James Gunn will be missed, he is great at building a story & stakes.
Loki S2 coming October 6. Echo to follow November 29. Interestingly, all of Echo to drop that date. Never seen Marvel do that before.
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Did some Marvel catching up this past weekend.
Watched Antman Quantumania on Disney+. It was just OK. "We have do something in the quantum realm, but what?" Marvel is obviously going to be dumping a lot of Kang on us coming up.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was excellent! They hit all the right notes with all the characters.
So, I'm now caught up nd ready for the start of Secret Invasion next week.
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First episode of Secret Invasion was good. Slow burn show, but stakes are raised high by the end.
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First episode of Secret Invasion was good. Slow burn show, but stakes are raised high by the end.
Reviews have been brutal
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Reviews have been brutal
Seem to be doing okay?
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion
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I sought out a few negative reviews and some of the complaints were about "I have to remember the plot of Captain Marvel?" and other size of the MCU type complaints. I mean, Fury & Talos are coming directly out of Captain Marvel, so if your complaint is "you mean it helps to know the movie this spins off from" then that's specious at best.
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Seem to be doing okay?
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion
Brutal is extreme. But 66% for a tv show is pretty woooof
Since this show is more grounded and getting away from the multiverse trash and forced comedy ive been looking forward to it and will probably still enjoy it decently. But im waiting for all to air.
Marvel is in an absolute freefall post endgame/Spidey.
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Marvel is in an absolute freefall post endgame/Spidey.
Shang Chi, No Way Home, Wakanda Forever, and Guardians 3 were all awesome. Widow & Eternals I wasn't as high on, but Love & Thunder, Multiverse of Madness, & Quantumania were all good. Not great, but good, and better than much of the IM/Thor Phase 1-2 offerings.
On the TV side, WandaVision, Loki, Hawkeye, and Moon Knight were all great. Falcon & She-Hulk I understand the mixed reviews on, but Ms Marvel is still the best thing they've done on the TV side (next level brilliant, IMO).
Not everything will be Infinity War in scope. Where I think they've come up short is the lack of a new team-up. The reason Phase 1 & 2 were awesome wasn't because all the movies were great, they weren't. It's because they built to Avengers & Ultron. If we had a small scale Avengers one-off, maybe Dr Strange leading a team of Captain America, Ant-Man, Shang Chi, Shuri, Kamala Khan, and Sersi against Dormammu or a similar big bad, it would up the stakes the way Loki and Ultron did. Doing all smaller scale pieces until we get to Secret Wars is just too long to wait, even with some great proprieties sprinkled in.
Edit: They could even split those to create multiple medium stakes movies. New Avengers with Captain America, Strange, Sersi, Shuri, Shang Chi, and Ant-Man. Young Avengers with Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Skaar, Wiccan, Speed, Stature, Patriot, and Ms Marvel. Then the Winter Soldier led Thunderbolts team. The problem is the stories are too isolated.
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Shang Chi, No Way Home, Wakanda Forever, and Guardians 3 were all awesome. Widow & Eternals I wasn't as high on, but Love & Thunder, Multiverse of Madness, & Quantumania were all good. Not great, but good, and better than much of the IM/Thor Phase 1-2 offerings.
On the TV side, WandaVision, Loki, Hawkeye, and Moon Knight were all great. Falcon & She-Hulk I understand the mixed reviews on, but Ms Marvel is still the best thing they've done on the TV side (next level brilliant, IMO).
Not everything will be Infinity War in scope. Where I think they've come up short is the lack of a new team-up. The reason Phase 1 & 2 were awesome wasn't because all the movies were great, they weren't. It's because they built to Avengers & Ultron. If we had a small scale Avengers one-off, maybe Dr Strange leading a team of Captain America, Ant-Man, Shang Chi, Shuri, Kamala Khan, and Sersi against Dormammu or a similar big bad, it would up the stakes the way Loki and Ultron did. Doing all smaller scale pieces until we get to Secret Wars is just too long to wait, even with some great proprieties sprinkled in.
Edit: They could even split those to create multiple medium stakes movies. New Avengers with Captain America, Strange, Sersi, Shuri, Shang Chi, and Ant-Man. Young Avengers with Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Skaar, Wiccan, Speed, Stature, Patriot, and Ms Marvel. Then the Winter Soldier led Thunderbolts team. The problem is the stories are too isolated.
You are wayyyyyy to generous
Love and Thunder and Quantummania were abominations. Like legitamately bad movies regardless of superhero scale, movie scale whatever.
Guardians I did like a lot for the most part. But like most movies in general these days and like all superhero movies it was blatantly like 35 minutes too long. Basically up to the Rocket resurrection it was a top 10 marvel for me though.
Shang Chi was solid. Black Panther was blaaaaaaaah but not terrible. No way home was where I said after it things got bad. But that one was actually kinda overhyped but still really enjoyable.
Eternals should just be scrapped forever. Totally forgot Strange til now.....wooooooooooooooof.
TV Loki was fantastic cant wait for S2. WandaVision mostly great, ended ok but overall a hit. Hawkeye enjoyable for getting back to the basics street level but not much to it. The rest legit sucked.
I am praying they dont mess up DD. I wont even watch the second captain marvel movie til sometime way down the line if it matters. First movie was trash and thats when Marvel was roaring.
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That was dark.
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See that’s interesting Brew, I’ve enjoyed all of the Marvel TV shows besides Ms. Marvel, I couldn’t even get past episode 3
Falcon and the Winter Soldier was also pretty “meh” for me. Karli Morgenthau just so obnoxious but I did manage to finish jt.
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Fun little twist.
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Very interested to see who Emilia Clarke is playing. Because my guess is there's a real Emilia Clarke body that was the G'iah pre-shell and we'll find out who that is. My short list of candidates would include Jessica Drew, Rogue, and Heather Hudson, but my guess is that's Abigail Brand before she meets Nick Fury.
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Very interested to see who Emilia Clarke is playing. Because my guess is there's a real Emilia Clarke body that was the G'iah pre-shell and we'll find out who that is. My short list of candidates would include Jessica Drew, Rogue, and Heather Hudson, but my guess is that's Abigail Brand before she meets Nick Fury.
Gravik or Nick Fury are idiots. Maybe both.
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The first two episodes of Secret Invasion felt like the show had a lot of promise, but the more I watched (and rewatching those episodes) the less I liked it. Finishing it today, I would say this was the worst property the MCU has put out, and I'm not sure it's even particularly close. Worse than Hulk or Dark World or Black Widow. Which sucks because we got some excellent acting performances throughout from Olivia Colman and Kingsley Ben-Adir. But man, just a complete failure on so many levels. I come away liking pretty much nothing about the show.
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Spoilers in gray, this is as close to the background as I could get it. Quote or highlight to read, scroll past to ignore.
- It was so predictable that Nick wasn't really going into New Skrullos. It was obviously G'iah, and she obviously got the same powers Gravik did with the Harvest delivered. But seriously...that was your plan?!? Give Gravik the powers of every hero in the final Endgame battle and hope G'iah would beat him? I mean, you are creating essentially a Thanos level villian and hoping the one person you send along can take him down.
- So now we've got a Skrull with the powers of Captain Marvel and Ebony Maw, the strength of Drax and Cull Obsidian, and pretty much every other possible power currently in the MCU? That's just...dumb.
- So we still don't know decisively when Rhodey was taken? Kind of important information. I figure it has to be after Civil War (due to needing surgery that would've revealed his Skrull self) but probably before Falcon & Winter Soldier since Feige said he's been a Skrull in other appearances.
- 38 minutes? Again? You set all that up and it's just 38 minutes? With no post-credit scene, no extra characters, and no real additional significance for the greater MCU? I mean...if this story doesn't happen, does it matter? What did we get out of it, the president revealing there are Skrulls? The presence of fury, the existence of Gravik's revolution, tie-ins to Brave New World and Thunderbolts and Marvels, we didn't get any of that?
- All the DNA was in one vial? What a ridiculous MacGuffin.
- I'm still mad about the "assassination attempt" on the president. In a world of super-powered people, he didn't have a single super-powered person in his detail? Unless you count Skrull Rhodey, who didn't even suit up for a token "I'll save you, sir" moment?
- I get that Fury didn't want his "I collected your DNA" revealed to heroes, but from the guy who got "the Avengers" for his mid-life crisis, wouldn't you use that tool rather than risk destruction of the world?
- I loved Gravik as a villain for about 4 episodes, but dude completely lost it, killed all his own people, and lost any claim to his argument. You can't tell me you care about the cause you are fighting for when you kill all the Skrulls in New Skrullos. Which completely took the righteousness out of his character. They basically created another Killmonger, then destroyed him in that moment. Just dumb.
- There's a million other reason I hated this show. It got to the point where I just finished it because I was already committed. But watching it alongside Jack Ryan for a few weeks, which showed how to do a spy story that worked, what a colossal failure. Just a trash fire of a product.
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Spoilers in gray, this is as close to the background as I could get it. Quote or highlight to read, scroll past to ignore.
- It was so predictable that Nick wasn't really going into New Skrullos. It was obviously G'iah, and she obviously got the same powers Gravik did with the Harvest delivered. But seriously...that was your plan?!? Give Gravik the powers of every hero in the final Endgame battle and hope G'iah would beat him? I mean, you are creating essentially a Thanos level villian and hoping the one person you send along can take him down.
- So now we've got a Skrull with the powers of Captain Marvel and Ebony Maw, the strength of Drax and Cull Obsidian, and pretty much every other possible power currently in the MCU? That's just...dumb.
- So we still don't know decisively when Rhodey was taken? Kind of important information. I figure it has to be after Civil War (due to needing surgery that would've revealed his Skrull self) but probably before Falcon & Winter Soldier since Feige said he's been a Skrull in other appearances.
- 38 minutes? Again? You set all that up and it's just 38 minutes? With no post-credit scene, no extra characters, and no real additional significance for the greater MCU? I mean...if this story doesn't happen, does it matter? What did we get out of it, the president revealing there are Skrulls? The presence of fury, the existence of Gravik's revolution, tie-ins to Brave New World and Thunderbolts and Marvels, we didn't get any of that?
- All the DNA was in one vial? What a ridiculous MacGuffin.
- I'm still mad about the "assassination attempt" on the president. In a world of super-powered people, he didn't have a single super-powered person in his detail? Unless you count Skrull Rhodey, who didn't even suit up for a token "I'll save you, sir" moment?
- I get that Fury didn't want his "I collected your DNA" revealed to heroes, but from the guy who got "the Avengers" for his mid-life crisis, wouldn't you use that tool rather than risk destruction of the world?
- I loved Gravik as a villain for about 4 episodes, but dude completely lost it, killed all his own people, and lost any claim to his argument. You can't tell me you care about the cause you are fighting for when you kill all the Skrulls in New Skrullos. Which completely took the righteousness out of his character. They basically created another Killmonger, then destroyed him in that moment. Just dumb.
- There's a million other reason I hated this show. It got to the point where I just finished it because I was already committed. But watching it alongside Jack Ryan for a few weeks, which showed how to do a spy story that worked, what a colossal failure. Just a trash fire of a product.
And don’t even get me started in the woke ending. I’m boycotting Disney again after that kiss
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Secret Invasion was the one project I was looking forward too. Get away from multi verse and more into the spy thriller stuff.
Wooooooof.
Struggling to finish ep 3. Every epsiode is worse than the previous.
Marvel is on life support.
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Majors guilty of 2 charges
That my be the official end of Kang
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Majors guilty of 2 charges
That my be the official end of Kang
I've seen a lot of unofficial reports the last month that Marvel has already decided to move on from the Kang storyline and avoid recasting, but we'll see.
The wife and I made our way through Secret Invasion recently. It was OK, but there really were way way too many shocking events for the short series that felt way unnecessary and the ending also left the Marvel universe with an apparent major unresolved issue going forward.
I have not watched Loki S2 yet.
Daughter #2 came home from college on Saturday and we made a point to see The Marvels on Sunday before it completely disappears from theaters probably this week. The film moved at a good pace. End credit scenes obviously open up other project s going forward. And maybe indicative of many 2023 thoughts on Marvel, the rainy windy weather tripped the fuse on the lights in the theater while the projector continued to run. We could hear the sound but not see. The whole cineplex had the same issue. The theater fixed and wound back 15 minutes of run time. It happened again 10 minutes later. They fixed and rewound again, meanwhile they gave refunds to anyone who asked. We ended up watching the rest of the film without incident in what became a free showing (other than the popcorn).
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I've seen a lot of unofficial reports the last month that Marvel has already decided to move on from the Kang storyline and avoid recasting, but we'll see.
The wife and I made our way through Secret Invasion recently. It was OK, but there really were way way too many shocking events for the short series that felt way unnecessary and the ending also left the Marvel universe with an apparent major unresolved issue going forward.
I have not watched Loki S2 yet.
Daughter #2 came home from college on Saturday and we made a point to see The Marvels on Sunday before it completely disappears from theaters probably this week. The film moved at a good pace. End credit scenes obviously open up other project s going forward. And maybe indicative of many 2023 thoughts on Marvel, the rainy windy weather tripped the fuse on the lights in the theater while the projector continued to run. We could hear the sound but not see. The whole cineplex had the same issue. The theater fixed and wound back 15 minutes of run time. It happened again 10 minutes later. They fixed and rewound again, meanwhile they gave refunds to anyone who asked. We ended up watching the rest of the film without incident in what became a free showing (other than the popcorn).
Hes officially out.
I am not the most objective judge because I have been out on most of marvels material for a while now.
But even Loki S2 didnt do a ton for me. It was way better than most other marvel stuff but much weaker than s1 imo. I havent even seen Marvels.
Secret invasion should have never been released.
Im hoping that Echo can surprise. I love the Daredevil/Kingpin stuff so anything on their side of the plot im pumped for. And its a mature rating.
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Hes officially out.
Secret invasion should have never been released.
Im hoping that Echo can surprise. I love the Daredevil/Kingpin stuff so anything on their side of the plot im pumped for. And its a mature rating.
I just saw that
Secret Invasion - I was thinking they should have Nick Fury wake up and say "I just had this nightmare." so they can forget everything.
Agree on Echo.
I read they went back and reshot 1/2 of the new Daredevil.
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Secret Invasion wasted so much potential for a good story. Ultimately the worst MCU product so far.
Loki S2 was fantastic. The full circle stuff they did with that character was excellent.
The Marvels was fine. A good, mid-tier Marvel movie. Not perfect, but fun and moved some big storylines along.
Looking forward to What If? and Echo.
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I just saw that
Secret Invasion - I was thinking they should have Nick Fury wake up and say "I just had this nightmare." so they can forget everything.
Agree on Echo.
I read they went back and reshot 1/2 of the new Daredevil.
Im pretty sure they re did all of the new Daredevil. Hired all new writers and scrapped what they had.
Supposedly it was more like a law procedural and DD didnt even costume up until like the 4th episode.
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Im pretty sure they re did all of the new Daredevil. Hired all new writers and scrapped what they had.
Supposedly it was more like a law procedural and DD didnt even costume up until like the 4th episode.
Desperation has made Marvel smart again.
"If it aint broke dont fix it"
They are bringing everyone back from the netflix daredevil. Might end up with essentially a s4 at this point. So pumped.
Puny and Fisk were always in play. They already righted the wrong bringing back Foggy and Karen two weeks ago. Today it was annoucned Bullseye is back.