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Title: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on May 11, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
Two questions:

1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop?   i.e. is there any chance that Howard the Duck might get a reboot in Phase 4?

2) Have the Guardians usurped the role as center of the MCU?


Fun facts:
-Howard the Duck was the first Marvel feature film (and it's the first topic of discussion in this thread... apropos).
-It was Howard the Duck's failure that led to the rise of Pixar as we know it today (George Lucas needed money after Howard bombed, so he sold the computer-animation division of Lucasfilm (Pixar) to Steve Jobs in 1986).
-Besides Guardians, the latest movie to have alluded to Howard the Duck was a Pixar film (In Planes: Fire & Rescue, a secret video tape was hidden in a VHS-sized box for "Howard the Truck," presumably because no one would ever look for it there.)

You have to admit, a Howard remake would be an interesting spin on historical events now that Pixar, Marvel and George Lucas' soul are all owned by the same company.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: tower912 on May 11, 2017, 02:50:42 PM
Please, God, no.   
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: ZaLiN on May 11, 2017, 03:45:28 PM
Two questions:

1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop?   i.e. is there any chance that Howard the Duck might get a reboot in Phase 4?

2) Have the Guardians usurped the role as center of the MCU?


Fun facts:
-Howard the Duck was the first Marvel feature film (and it's the first topic of discussion in this thread... apropos).
-It was Howard the Duck's failure that led to the rise of Pixar as we know it today (George Lucas needed money after Howard bombed, so he sold the computer-animation division of Lucasfilm (Pixar) to Steve Jobs in 1986).
-Besides Guardians, the latest movie to have alluded to Howard the Duck was a Pixar film (In Planes: Fire & Rescue, a secret video tape was hidden in a VHS-sized box for "Howard the Truck," presumably because no one would ever look for it there.)

You have to admit, a Howard remake would be an interesting spin on historical events now that Pixar, Marvel and George Lucas' soul are all owned by the same company.

It certainly seems to be that they are gunning for that. I think the wide range of likable characters in the movie (as seen by the massive commercial push of Baby Groot) has put them straight in the driver's seat. I enjoyed the second movie but it really felt like it was appealing to every possible demographic in a cartoonish way that they could even outside of the normal marvel fan range. Suicide squad's ill fated attempt to copy the original film suggests they know they have the winning formula.

Outstanding sound tracks too!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on May 11, 2017, 03:51:37 PM
Two questions:

1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop?   i.e. is there any chance that Howard the Duck might get a reboot in Phase 4?

2) Have the Guardians usurped the role as center of the MCU?


Fun facts:
-Howard the Duck was the first Marvel feature film (and it's the first topic of discussion in this thread... apropos).
-It was Howard the Duck's failure that led to the rise of Pixar as we know it today (George Lucas needed money after Howard bombed, so he sold the computer-animation division of Lucasfilm (Pixar) to Steve Jobs in 1986).
-Besides Guardians, the latest movie to have alluded to Howard the Duck was a Pixar film (In Planes: Fire & Rescue, a secret video tape was hidden in a VHS-sized box for "Howard the Truck," presumably because no one would ever look for it there.)

You have to admit, a Howard remake would be an interesting spin on historical events now that Pixar, Marvel and George Lucas' soul are all owned by the same company.

First of all, I forgot that Howard the Duck was yet another GL abomination. God bless Star Wars, but other than A New Hope, Lucas has been a complete disaster when left to his own devices (Empire was Kirschner, original Indiana Jones was Spielberg, etc)

As far as mega-flop, does rebooting Land of the Lost count?

Guardians as MCU center, I dunno. I actually think Deadpool might take that title at somepoint, simply because once Infinity Wars happens I don't know how you can spin Guardians and Avengers back out. They are going to have to kill characters(ie actors) in Infinity Wars so they can bring the characters back with new actors (Winter Soldier or Falcon as Captain America, War Machine as Iron Man, etc) so Avengers as the center is out. I don't know how Guardians holds the center as anything other then a fun, quirky crew movie. Deadpool unifies all the Marvel properties (X-Men, Spider-man, Avengers, etc) at least within the current movies and Disney desperately wants to bring X-Men and Spider-man back into the fold.

Lastly, I would get zero pleasure from having Howard the Duck on any digital screen ever again.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on May 11, 2017, 03:52:45 PM
It certainly seems to be that they are gunning for that. I think the wide range of likable characters in the movie (as seen by the massive commercial push of Baby Groot) has put them straight in the driver's seat. I enjoyed the second movie but it really felt like it was appealing to every possible demographic in a cartoonish way that they could even outside of the normal marvel fan range. Suicide squad's ill fated attempt to copy the original film suggests they know they have the winning formula.

Outstanding sound tracks too!

It goes to show you, when you have talent (actors, directors, and writers) and let them do their thing, people will watch. I'm hopeful all of this represents an age where Hollywood stops micro-managing the crap out of stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on May 11, 2017, 03:54:52 PM
Comic book movie remake I'd love to see is The Rocketeer. I loved that movie (peak Jennifer Connolly) but I think it would be a very interesting remake.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: GGGG on May 11, 2017, 04:17:15 PM
Two questions:

1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop? 


Doctor Doolittle was a big money and critical loser in 1967.  The late 90s remake made pretty good cash and was somewhat favorably reviewed.

Not sure this counts, but the 70s version of Great Gatsby was a flop while the 2013 version was very much a success.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on May 11, 2017, 05:31:00 PM
First of all, I forgot that Howard the Duck was yet another GL abomination. God bless Star Wars, but other than A New Hope, Lucas has been a complete disaster when left to his own devices (Empire was Kirschner, original Indiana Jones was Spielberg, etc)

As far as mega-flop, does rebooting Land of the Lost count?

Guardians as MCU center, I dunno. I actually think Deadpool might take that title at somepoint, simply because once Infinity Wars happens I don't know how you can spin Guardians and Avengers back out. They are going to have to kill characters(ie actors) in Infinity Wars so they can bring the characters back with new actors (Winter Soldier or Falcon as Captain America, War Machine as Iron Man, etc) so Avengers as the center is out. I don't know how Guardians holds the center as anything other then a fun, quirky crew movie. Deadpool unifies all the Marvel properties (X-Men, Spider-man, Avengers, etc) at least within the current movies and Disney desperately wants to bring X-Men and Spider-man back into the fold.

Lastly, I would get zero pleasure from having Howard the Duck on any digital screen ever again.

Like all of the properties originating from the X-Men franchise, Deadpool is owned by Fox, and therefore technically not part of the MCU. 

Yet, any way.

Spiderman's rights are controlled by Sony, but they reached a deal with Marvel Studios to bring him back into the fold with the Avengers.  Ego is actually an X-Men property, but he's now MCU because Marvel cut a deal with Fox who got Negasonic Teenage Warhead in return.  BTW - James Gunn didn't realize Marvel didn't have control of Ego until after the script to Vol. 2 was finished... luckily, it was about that time that Fox approached Marvel asking about NTW (Fox's rights to the X-Men properties was only for existing characters; because the NTW character in Deadpool is materially different from the NTW character in the comics, Fox needed Marvel's permission).

Confused yet?

So since Deadpool is not MCU, Howard may very well be the MCU character who is most directly connected (in the comics) to all of the other current MCU characters.

If you completely ignore 1986 for a moment, how could Howard not have potential today with Gunn or Russo/Markus leading the charge?  Gunn himself is a big fan of Howard in the comics (hence his appearances in GotG) but hated the movie... here's a chance to right a wrong.  Hell, team Howard up with Kraglin and spin them off into a new franchise.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Eldon on May 12, 2017, 12:40:04 PM
Howard the Duck is part of Marvel? 

Wow.  Who knew?

Idk about incorporating him into the current stream of Marvel movies, but I would pay to see Howard the Duck fight Darkwing Duck a la Batman vs Superman.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: warriorchick on May 12, 2017, 01:14:38 PM
I'm still waiting for the movie adaptation of Great Lakes Avengers, the only superheroes who are based out of Milwaukee.


(http://comicsalliance.com/files/2016/09/Great_Lakes_Avengers_1_Allred_Variant.jpg?w=630&h=960&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89)


Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on May 12, 2017, 01:24:45 PM
Like all of the properties originating from the X-Men franchise, Deadpool is owned by Fox, and therefore technically not part of the MCU. 

Yet, any way.

Spiderman's rights are controlled by Sony, but they reached a deal with Marvel Studios to bring him back into the fold with the Avengers.  Ego is actually an X-Men property, but he's now MCU because Marvel cut a deal with Fox who got Negasonic Teenage Warhead in return.  BTW - James Gunn didn't realize Marvel didn't have control of Ego until after the script to Vol. 2 was finished... luckily, it was about that time that Fox approached Marvel asking about NTW (Fox's rights to the X-Men properties was only for existing characters; because the NTW character in Deadpool is materially different from the NTW character in the comics, Fox needed Marvel's permission).

Confused yet?

So since Deadpool is not MCU, Howard may very well be the MCU character who is most directly connected (in the comics) to all of the other current MCU characters.

If you completely ignore 1986 for a moment, how could Howard not have potential today with Gunn or Russo/Markus leading the charge?  Gunn himself is a big fan of Howard in the comics (hence his appearances in GotG) but hated the movie... here's a chance to right a wrong.  Hell, team Howard up with Kraglin and spin them off into a new franchise.

Completely forgot that Deadpool is Fox, at some point Marvel has got to find a way to bring all these properties back in house.

Side note, while I've always been a Marvel guy over DC, Batman was always my favorite superhero....until the DC cinematic universe has gone and cocked this all up. I am so far out on DC I haven't seen a single DC property since DKR. Man is there a grad school case study somewhere in there.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: tower912 on May 12, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
I would rather see a reboot of BJ and the Bear than Howard the Duck. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: uncle zeffy on May 12, 2017, 02:34:53 PM
Two questions:

1) Has Hollywood ever successfully remade a movie whose original version was a widely-panned mega-flop?   i.e. is there any chance that Howard the Duck might get a reboot in Phase 4?


Punisher 1989 (28% on Rotten Tomatoes)
Rebooted in 2004 (29% on RT) 
Inspired a 2008 sequal/reboot  Punisher: War Zone (27% RT)
Which has now been rebooted into the MCU on the Netflix series Dare Devil, and is getting its own spin off.

so they may not have "successfully" made a sequel, but they sure have tried.

Speaking of Punisher, Thomas Jade's will always be my favorite, and the spiritual successor he made was superb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: TAMU Eagle on May 12, 2017, 03:19:01 PM
Punisher 1989 (28% on Rotten Tomatoes)
Rebooted in 2004 (29% on RT) 
Inspired a 2008 sequal/reboot  Punisher: War Zone (27% RT)
Which has now been rebooted into the MCU on the Netflix series Dare Devil, and is getting its own spin off.

so they may not have "successfully" made a sequel, but they sure have tried.

Speaking of Punisher, Thomas Jade's will always be my favorite, and the spiritual successor he made was superb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc

I actually really loved the Netflix interpretation of Punisher
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: ZaLiN on May 13, 2017, 02:41:33 AM
I actually really loved the Netflix interpretation of Punisher

Bernthal played it perfectly. While that show tends to drag a bit, their casting is impeccable.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 15, 2017, 08:22:01 AM
I finally saw Guardians 2 over the weekend.
Excellent!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on May 15, 2017, 11:27:15 AM
Completely forgot that Deadpool is Fox, at some point Marvel has got to find a way to bring all these properties back in house.

Something that I would think Kevin Feige struggles with every day.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on May 15, 2017, 11:28:57 AM
Something that I would think Kevin Feige struggles with every day.

while swimming in his Scrooge McDuck money vault
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on May 31, 2017, 01:05:12 PM
I don't think there will be a Howard movie, nor should there be. He's ideal for the odd cameo, but can't carry a franchise.

As far as GotG being the center of the MCU...well they certainly are the heart of it. I could see them spinning a Cosmic storyline after Infinity War, bring in Nova, Adam Warlock, Beta Ray Bill, but the problem is you really NEED the Fantastic Four. Say what you will about Marvel's first family, but they have the best supporting cast (Silver Surfer) and villains (Skrulls, Galactus, Annihilus).

If they can retain a link to the Spider-Man properties (which seems questionable) for characters like Venom and Norman Osborne and add the FF, it opens the MCU up more than the X-Men ever would.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: source? on May 31, 2017, 07:54:40 PM
Completely forgot that Deadpool is Fox, at some point Marvel has got to find a way to bring all these properties back in house.

Side note, while I've always been a Marvel guy over DC, Batman was always my favorite superhero....until the DC cinematic universe has gone and cocked this all up. I am so far out on DC I haven't seen a single DC property since DKR. Man is there a grad school case study somewhere in there.

DC has some solid tv series but I agree, I haven't watched film from them in years.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on June 01, 2017, 10:23:25 AM
I don't think there will be a Howard movie, nor should there be. He's ideal for the odd cameo, but can't carry a franchise.

As far as GotG being the center of the MCU...well they certainly are the heart of it. I could see them spinning a Cosmic storyline after Infinity War, bring in Nova, Adam Warlock, Beta Ray Bill, but the problem is you really NEED the Fantastic Four. Say what you will about Marvel's first family, but they have the best supporting cast (Silver Surfer) and villains (Skrulls, Galactus, Annihilus).

If they can retain a link to the Spider-Man properties (which seems questionable) for characters like Venom and Norman Osborne and add the FF, it opens the MCU up more than the X-Men ever would.

Fox made the mistake with Daredevil by allowing the film rights to revert to Marvel after 7 years of no exercise... rumor is that similar deals exist with the X-Men, FF and Spidey rights (though it may be less than seven years for X-Men).  So as long as we see a new X-Men movie every few years - which we probably will since they've been profitable - Fox will retain the rights.  However, Fox's latest iteration of FF in 2015 was a loser and the sequel - which was originally slated for release next Friday - was cancelled; along with the two sequels that were supposed to follow Silver Surfer, that now marks three FF movies that have been cancelled... and with Marvel having pulled the FF reboot from the comic stores, I think it's safe to say that we might have seen the last exercise of Fox's FF rights, meaning FF may be back into the MCU fold sometime around 2022... right around the time that MCU Phase 4 will be wrapping up.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 01, 2017, 10:50:07 AM
The new Superman was mediocre, but BvS with Batfleck was downright terrible. Bad acting, terrible script, and not at all accurate to the comics. More important than the lack of accuracy to the comics, though, was the lack of accuracy to the characters. Superman felt like a jerk, Batman wasn't a detective, he was just an action star with questionable morals.

Suicide Squad wasn't much better. The first half hour was basically a soundtrack advertisement (trying to be GOTG), the characters were flat (except for Rick Flagg), and it all felt predictably dull.

I'm hoping Wonder Woman is better, but I'm not optimistic. I think Marvel with Brie Larson has a much better chance than this DC venture. I know everyone said WW was the highlight of BvS, but honestly I think that's only because everything else was so bad in comparison.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on June 01, 2017, 01:20:40 PM
The new Superman was mediocre, but BvS with Batfleck was downright terrible. Bad acting, terrible script, and not at all accurate to the comics. More important than the lack of accuracy to the comics, though, was the lack of accuracy to the characters. Superman felt like a jerk, Batman wasn't a detective, he was just an action star with questionable morals.

Suicide Squad wasn't much better. The first half hour was basically a soundtrack advertisement (trying to be GOTG), the characters were flat (except for Rick Flagg), and it all felt predictably dull.

I'm hoping Wonder Woman is better, but I'm not optimistic. I think Marvel with Brie Larson has a much better chance than this DC venture. I know everyone said WW was the highlight of BvS, but honestly I think that's only because everything else was so bad in comparison.

I'm wondering (pardon the pun) how much of the positive reviews is because it's a good movie/faithful to the comics/tells a good story and how much is because it's woke (strong female leader, etc).

Comics have largely been socially progressive and aware but generally the cinematic universes have not and DC's has specifically not. So if a lot of the positive press is because WW is socially aware, that's fine, but I see no reason to believe it carry through to the rest of the universe.

Part of DC's probably is that MCU beat them to the entertaining as hell punch, now they have to find some other hook and they haven't figured that out yet and have shown no evidence they can.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 01, 2017, 02:25:10 PM
What's so interesting to me is that DC's tv universe is kicking the crap out of marvels yet can't seem to make a decent movie to save their lives
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: reinko on June 01, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
What's so interesting to me is that DC's tv universe is kicking the crap out of marvels yet can't seem to make a decent movie to save their lives

Hmmm...This is a curious statement, I would put the Netflix adaptations of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage up against Arrow and the Flash any day... The Iron Fist though on Netflix was gutter trash
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 01, 2017, 08:08:36 PM
Hmmm...This is a curious statement, I would put the Netflix adaptations of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage up against Arrow and the Flash any day... The Iron Fist though on Netflix was gutter trash

You forgot about agents of the shield. Personally I like daredevil but didn't care for the other MCTVU shows. Arrow was fantastic till recently and the flash is the perfect combo of funny and action. Can't speak for super girl or that show with the group that travels through time though. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: reinko on June 01, 2017, 08:23:29 PM
You forgot about agents of the shield. Personally I like daredevil but didn't care for the other MCTVU shows. Arrow was fantastic till recently and the flash is the perfect combo of funny and action. Can't speak for super girl or that show with the group that travels through time though.

Eh, personal tastes I guess, Flash just seems kinda cheap, and I agree Arrow is solid.  I'm still a few seasons behind on Agents...

Curious to see how the Defenders will be this summer, fingers crossed Danny Rand will not be featured much.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on June 02, 2017, 06:59:53 AM
You forgot about agents of the shield. Personally I like daredevil but didn't care for the other MCTVU shows. Arrow was fantastic till recently and the flash is the perfect combo of funny and action. Can't speak for super girl or that show with the group that travels through time though.

I was wavering on Agents until this last season and I really think they hit their stride creatively and from a story arc perspective. Best season they've had by far and not just because I'm a huge Mallory Jansen fan.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 02, 2017, 07:10:04 AM
I was wavering on Agents until this last season and I really think they hit their stride creatively and from a story arc perspective. Best season they've had by far and not just because I'm a huge Mallory Jansen fan.

The family stopped watching Agents in Jan 2016.  My kids said it jumped the shark in teenage speak and that it wasn't the same entertaining show anymore.   
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Lazar's Headband on June 02, 2017, 07:18:09 AM
The family stopped watching Agents in Jan 2016.  My kids said it jumped the shark in teenage speak and that it wasn't the same entertaining show anymore.

Jumped the shark is teenage speak?  Are your kids 50 years old?  Because jumped the shark is a reference to Happy Days, when the Fonz literally jumped a shark on water skis, iirc.  The show went downhill after that, thus the phrase "jumped the shark."
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on June 02, 2017, 07:27:41 AM
Jumped the shark is teenage speak?  Are your kids 50 years old?  Because jumped the shark is a reference to Happy Days, when the Fonz literally jumped a shark on water skis, iirc.  The show went downhill after that, thus the phrase "jumped the shark."

I'm assuming Nutmeg was saying that his kids used the teenage speak equivalent of Jumping the Shark, not the actual phrase itself.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 02, 2017, 07:28:38 AM
Jumped the shark is teenage speak?  Are your kids 50 years old?  Because jumped the shark is a reference to Happy Days, when the Fonz literally jumped a shark on water skis, iirc.  The show went downhill after that, thus the phrase "jumped the shark."

I'm well aware of that hence my use of the prepositional phrase "in teenage speak."  I translated their lengthy explanation into something recognizable to readers on Scoop.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Lazar's Headband on June 02, 2017, 07:44:31 AM
I'm well aware of that hence my use of the prepositional phrase "in teenage speak."  I translated their lengthy explanation into something recognizable to readers on Scoop.

Ok, that makes more sense.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 02, 2017, 05:23:16 PM
You forgot about agents of the shield. Personally I like daredevil but didn't care for the other MCTVU shows. Arrow was fantastic till recently and the flash is the perfect combo of funny and action. Can't speak for super girl or that show with the group that travels through time though.

Agents of SHIELD knocked it out of the park this year. It's steadily improved since a rocky first season start. As Flash has rehashed the speedster villain storyline and Arrow has struggled for a compelling villain that actually builds on the first seasons with Malcolm Merlin and Deathstroke, MAOS has showed steady improvement and this past season was unquestionably the best superhero show on network television.

Sadly, Legends of Tomorrow has become the best DC show. Until Flash and Arrow actually progress their characters and stories, they've lost the magic they once had. Between MAOS and the Netflix shows, Marvel is winning on that front now too. That admittedly wasn't the case a year ago.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: TAMU Eagle on June 04, 2017, 11:28:12 PM
Not sure that it counts as part of the DC TV universe,  but Gotham is my favorite superhero show on TV right now and it's not close
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 05, 2017, 01:49:27 PM
Not sure that it counts as part of the DC TV universe,  but Gotham is my favorite superhero show on TV right now and it's not close

Like MAOS, it had a rocky start, but developed into a good show. Not necessarily a remotely accurate translation, but an entertaining show with a great cast.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: TAMU Eagle on June 05, 2017, 02:44:59 PM
Like MAOS, it had a rocky start, but developed into a good show. Not necessarily a remotely accurate translation, but an entertaining show with a great cast.

There were some clumsy moments in the first season for sure, but I was hooked pretty much immediately. Their takes on the Penguin, the Riddler, and the Joker are some of my favorites that I have seen done. Fantastic casting for the villains. I like their take on Alfred as well. Not at all accurate to the comics, not even close, but entertaining as hell.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 06, 2017, 09:15:00 AM
There were some clumsy moments in the first season for sure, but I was hooked pretty much immediately. Their takes on the Penguin, the Riddler, and the Joker are some of my favorites that I have seen done. Fantastic casting for the villains. I like their take on Alfred as well. Not at all accurate to the comics, not even close, but entertaining as hell.

I think what Gotham has figured out, and MAOS has started to figure out, is what those in the MCU figured out early on. This is not about making superhero programming. It's about making quality programming thatfeatures superheroes. Captain America was a WWII movie. Winter Soldier was a spy movie. Guardians of the Galaxy was a space opera. Ant-Man was a heist flick. Spider-Man: Homecoming is a teen, coming of age movie. Thor: Ragnarok is said to be like a buddy cop movie. On the Netflix side, Daredevil and Jessica Jones both are different types of detective shows (mainly because of the disparate leads) while Luke Cage was an homage to 1980s-1990s black culture. What connects them is they all have superheroes in them, but at their core, the super-abilities are just a part of what make the characters interesting.

When the MCU is at its best, it is simply putting Marvel characters into already popular genres rather than defining a genre of their own. And at its worst, they are pretty much just making straight-line superhero movies (Iron Man 3, Thor 2) without any real traditional tropes. I think that's also why Iron Fist wasn't as popular, because they really didn't know how to approach him (they tried for a Kung Fu type angle, but Danny was a bit too much "man out of time"). That's the same thing DC does virtually every time out. I haven't seen WW yet, but Superman, BvS, and Suicide Squad were all just "cram heroes in and say action" type movies, which is a large part of why they were bad.

I generally watch just about anything comic-related that is put out, which is often bad because I can be a harsh critic. In Gotham's first season, I remember complaining on a weekly basis to my wife (who doesn't watch) about how poor a translation the show was. After saying the same thing maybe a half-dozen times, near the end of the first season, she asked me why I was still watching it. I realized at that point it was because despite being a poor translation, it was a good television show. It didn't need accuracy or superpowers, it was a detective show focused on Jim Gordon with interesting and familiar supporting characters.

MAOS has figured that out and while there's superhero connections, the show has more the feel of an ensemble action show, along the lines of Buffy or Angel. I sincerely hope when we see Cloak & Dagger and Runaways really embrace the teen angst, and hope Punisher is more than just "give Frank a gun and point him at Kingpin".
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 13, 2017, 08:39:35 PM
Doctor Strange already on Netflix. That deal with Disney and the MCU already paying off.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on December 13, 2017, 04:42:59 PM
So here's the multi-million dollar question: With the impending Disney/Fox deal, all Marvel film properties (save Spiderman) are going to be under the same umbrella... given the chasm that currently exists to keep the X-Men and MCU properties separate will Feige & Co. attempt to fold the X-Men into the MCU?  The mechanics of doing so would surely be messy, but with alternate timelines, multiverses, etc. being the norm these days, there's probably a way.



On the topic of sci-fi pipe dreams, what I would like to see, is Magneto and Xavier take on Vader and Kylo Ren.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 13, 2017, 10:18:50 PM
Like how to deal with Quicksilver who is supposed to be the son of Magneto and he corectly appears in X-Men and incorrectly in Age of Ultron?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 26, 2018, 10:17:56 PM
Infinity War blew the doors off any and all expectations. It was by far, by far the best comic book movie ever made. Every second was perfect. At no point did I feel let down. I'd say it was also probably the best action movie ever made.

It was amazing how they seamlessly wove so many plots and characters together. It maintained a serious tone while mixing in trademark Marvel humor. It had moments of high excitement, Easter eggs for diehard fans, and surprises I never imagined. It was sheer perfection. I can't wait to see it again next Wednesday, and honestly, I might not wait that long.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 27, 2018, 04:57:40 AM
Infinity War blew the doors off any and all expectations. It was by far, by far the best comic book movie ever made. Every second was perfect. At no point did I feel let down. I'd say it was also probably the best action movie ever made.

It was amazing how they seamlessly wove so many plots and characters together. It maintained a serious tone while mixing in trademark Marvel humor. It had moments of high excitement, Easter eggs for diehard fans, and surprises I never imagined. It was sheer perfection. I can't wait to see it again next Wednesday, and honestly, I might not wait that long.

I feel like it was written by game of thrones writers.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: #UnleashCain on April 27, 2018, 08:02:45 AM
Am I the only one who recognizes that Jim Gordon and wojo must be brothers?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: UWW2MU on April 27, 2018, 12:30:42 PM
I'm going to see this on Sunday.   Rehashing with co-workers some of the better and worse moments in the films.  It's surprising how many varying types of people these movies attract.  They're clearly not drawing just the stereotypical comic book fan or action movie junkie.  Even my parents in their 70's are enjoying them.

Discussion today lead to this ranking.   Anyone have an opinion on the list below?

1 Guardians of the Galaxy
2 Thor: Ragnarok
3 Iron Man
4 Black Panther
5 Dr. Strange
6 The Avengers
7 Thor
8 Captain America: The Winter Soldier
9 Captain America: Civil War
10 Captain America
11 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
12 Spiderman: Homecoming
13 The Avengers: Age of Ultron
14 Iron Man 2
15 Thor: The Dark World
16 Ant Man
17 Iron Man 3
18 Incredible Hulk
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 27, 2018, 03:51:50 PM
1 Guardians of the Galaxy
2 Thor: Ragnarok
3 Iron Man
4 Black Panther
5 Dr. Strange
6 The Avengers
7 Thor
8 Captain America: The Winter Soldier
9 Captain America: Civil War
10 Captain America
11 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
12 Spiderman: Homecoming
13 The Avengers: Age of Ultron
14 Iron Man 2
15 Thor: The Dark World
16 Ant Man
17 Iron Man 3
18 Incredible Hulk

Here's my list post-Infinity War:

1) The Avengers: Infinity War
2) Guardians of the Galaxy
3) Black Panther
4) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
5) The Avengers
6) Iron Man
7) Captain America: Civil War
8) Ant-Man
9) Captain America: The First Avenger
10) Spider-Man: Homecoming
11) Thor: Ragnarok
12) Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2
13) Doctor Strange
14) The Avengers: Age of Ultron
15) Thor
16) Iron Man 2
17) Thor: The Dark World
18) The Incredible Hulk
19) Iron Man 3

I know I have Ragnarok a bit lower than some, and while I enjoyed it, I didn't have it quite as high as some others. I do need to rewatch that (it's the only one I didn't get back to pre-Infinity War) so maybe I will move it up. I love the Cap movies and feel that as a series it's the best there is in the MCU, though both GotG and Black Panther can give it a run. The first Iron Man I loved, the second and third, especially the butchering of Mandarin, rate quite a bit lower. I would say I really enjoyed the top-15 on my list, then it takes a sharp decline.

On your list, I guess the biggest surprises for me are seeing Doc Strange top-5 and seeing Ant-Man so low. I enjoyed Strange, but didn't feel it was top-tier Marvel, while I thought Ant-Man was incredibly charming, well-written, well-acted, and just fun. They really did the quirkiness of it well. By and large, I think the later IM movies, Hulk (largely because it ended up recast and from a continuity perspective is just kind of there), and Dark World are definitely the bottom tier.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 28, 2018, 09:41:46 PM
(SEMI-SPOILER BELOW.)

Just got back from IWar.  I took my family and a couple of my son's 11 year old friends.  They've seen some of the Marvel movies, mostly on TV and not in a theater, so it was kind of a big deal for them.

IWar .. wow.    I realize people are putting this up as the best ever, and will hate the following opinion .. but .. the ending .. sucked the life out of the party something fierce.  I felt bad for my son and his friends .. they didn't go home all fired up and excited, they were .. demoralized.

I get it, though, IWar Part 2, they'll time travel and reverse the bad stuff.  So we got that going for us?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on April 28, 2018, 11:25:59 PM
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER






My only complaint about Infinity War is how worthless Vision was. He didn't do squat.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 29, 2018, 08:01:56 AM
Aaand the Hulk.  I figured there'd be a reveal at some point on wtf was going on there.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 29, 2018, 09:17:39 AM
I think the most important thing about the film is to understand that Thanos is the main character. Yes, it also features Steve Rogers and Black Panther and Doctor Strange and Starlord and all the other MCU favorites, but they are the supporting cast. Josh Brolin's Thanos is the lead.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: UWW2MU on April 30, 2018, 10:31:48 AM
Here's my list post-Infinity War:

1) The Avengers: Infinity War
2) Guardians of the Galaxy
3) Black Panther
4) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
5) The Avengers
6) Iron Man
7) Captain America: Civil War
8) Ant-Man
9) Captain America: The First Avenger
10) Spider-Man: Homecoming
11) Thor: Ragnarok
12) Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2
13) Doctor Strange
14) The Avengers: Age of Ultron
15) Thor
16) Iron Man 2
17) Thor: The Dark World
18) The Incredible Hulk
19) Iron Man 3

I know I have Ragnarok a bit lower than some, and while I enjoyed it, I didn't have it quite as high as some others. I do need to rewatch that (it's the only one I didn't get back to pre-Infinity War) so maybe I will move it up. I love the Cap movies and feel that as a series it's the best there is in the MCU, though both GotG and Black Panther can give it a run. The first Iron Man I loved, the second and third, especially the butchering of Mandarin, rate quite a bit lower. I would say I really enjoyed the top-15 on my list, then it takes a sharp decline.

On your list, I guess the biggest surprises for me are seeing Doc Strange top-5 and seeing Ant-Man so low. I enjoyed Strange, but didn't feel it was top-tier Marvel, while I thought Ant-Man was incredibly charming, well-written, well-acted, and just fun. They really did the quirkiness of it well. By and large, I think the later IM movies, Hulk (largely because it ended up recast and from a continuity perspective is just kind of there), and Dark World are definitely the bottom tier.

Just saw Iwar... and it was completely ruined for me by the ticket taker who said:

SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER

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he said, with no buffer or any warning, "It ends with a cliff hanger, enjoy the movie."   

What the heck??   I knew there'd be some sort of hook for the next movie, but the whole point of a cliff hanger is that it should be somewhat of a surprise.  So as soon as Thanos got the 3rd stone, because of what he said, I knew exactly how it was going to end.  I felt I should have been surprised a bit, but I wasn't.  No wondering if it would bleed into the next movie or anything.. I felt like I was just waiting another hour and a half for the ending I expected to happen.   That also kept me from having this movie at the top of my list. 


As far as Dr. Strange and Ant man placement.  Both were different characters types than the original Avengers.  However, the writing for Ant man and the story line just didn't quite flow as well as others.  I still enjoyed it, just thought it could have had something a little extra.  Where as the Dr. Strange progression was much more fluid and he came a long way.  The writing and intricacies around it had more depth to me.    But pretty much all but the top 5 to the bottom 5 are so close for me that I could probably tweek it dozens of times. 

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 30, 2018, 11:08:00 AM
I expected it end the way it did because I have read everything with "Infinity ________" in the title. Despite expecting the ending, I loved the flow of the movie and how they got there. Hearing the instant reaction from other moviegoers around me was pretty cool, despite my anticipation of the outcome.

My big debate now is if I go see it tomorrow night. Thinking about driving to Lincolnshire to see 3D IMAX. I'm home alone so it's probably the only chance I'll get, but I'm also going to a 4DX show Wednesday, so it might be overkill.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on April 30, 2018, 03:30:47 PM
Infinity War was good. But not at the top for me.

I think Part 2 has a better chance to make that claim.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: jesmu84 on May 01, 2018, 10:37:15 PM
Oh my God. So good.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MUCrew on May 02, 2018, 01:39:35 PM
I'm going to see this on Sunday.   Rehashing with co-workers some of the better and worse moments in the films.  It's surprising how many varying types of people these movies attract.  They're clearly not drawing just the stereotypical comic book fan or action movie junkie.  Even my parents in their 70's are enjoying them.

Discussion today lead to this ranking.   Anyone have an opinion on the list below?

1 Guardians of the Galaxy
2 Thor: Ragnarok
3 Iron Man
4 Black Panther
5 Dr. Strange
6 The Avengers
7 Thor
8 Captain America: The Winter Soldier
9 Captain America: Civil War
10 Captain America
11 Guardians of the Galaxy 2
12 Spiderman: Homecoming
13 The Avengers: Age of Ultron
14 Iron Man 2
15 Thor: The Dark World
16 Ant Man
17 Iron Man 3
18 Incredible Hulk

Ant-Man behind Thor 2?  Thor better than Winter Soldier?  May I ask why?  It's your list and your opinion, so it's totally cool, but general population would disagree.

As for the movie, IW was fantastic.  Also going in without watching the second trailer and any other tv spots was much more rewarding.  Very difficult to do with everything pretty much accessible and in your face, but man, watching without any potential spoilers was great.  Plan on not watching any trailers for the 4th Avengers movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: UWW2MU on May 02, 2018, 03:59:46 PM
Ant-Man behind Thor 2?  Thor better than Winter Soldier?  May I ask why?  It's your list and your opinion, so it's totally cool, but general population would disagree.

As for the movie, IW was fantastic.  Also going in without watching the second trailer and any other tv spots was much more rewarding.  Very difficult to do with everything pretty much accessible and in your face, but man, watching without any potential spoilers was great.  Plan on not watching any trailers for the 4th Avengers movie.


Yeah, Ant-Man just seemed to be lacking something for me.  I just rewatched it about 2 weeks ago and that affirmed my feelings on it.  It just felt too disjointed in it's feel and in the writing.  It was supposed to be fun, quirky, and humorous, ala Guardians or the last Thor.  However it fell it a little flat in that regard.  And to be fair, I recognize I enjoyed Thor 2 more than most.

That being said, from #5 down to 14, my rankings couldn't be more similar and they could change as easily as the time of day or what smelly topping my coworker's food had that put me in a good or foul mood when making the list. 


I'm going your route for Avengers 4... will do my best to avoid teasers and trailers at all cost so that if I have a similar situation with the ticket person next time I won't be able to piece things together as easily.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on May 03, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
Rumor has it the title for the next Avengers movie will be Endgame. Not sure if that's Avengers: Endgame or possibly even Thanos: Endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MUDish on May 04, 2018, 11:41:06 PM
I just got out of the theater...was it good though? I’m by no means trying to play Debbie Downer and generally I enjoy Marvel movies, but kinda thought it was alright, but also feel like that’s two and a half hours I’m not getting back. I didn’t read the comics, pay no attention to spoilers, and kinda figured things out as to the ending around the 2 hour mark. They’ll get my money again for the next one, but as a cinematic experience, kinda left me meh.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: PTM on May 05, 2018, 08:58:03 PM
I just got out of the theater...was it good though? I’m by no means trying to play Debbie Downer and generally I enjoy Marvel movies, but kinda thought it was alright, but also feel like that’s two and a half hours I’m not getting back. I didn’t read the comics, pay no attention to spoilers, and kinda figured things out as to the ending around the 2 hour mark. They’ll get my money again for the next one, but as a cinematic experience, kinda left me meh.

Went today, this is the perfect summation of my thoughts. It wasn't that great.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on May 06, 2018, 01:30:17 PM
Just saw it. Not sure where I'd rank it yet but it was fantastic.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: jesmu84 on May 06, 2018, 01:39:49 PM
The amount of talent to cohesively bring together all those characters/storylines and give them all (somewhat) their time on the screen was the most impressive thing about it for me.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on May 06, 2018, 04:34:56 PM
Fun fact - Stephen McFeely, who co-wrote the Captain America movies and Infinity War, is the brother-in-law of a close friend of mine.

No, I've never met him or got any perks so maybe it's actually not that fun of a fact.  Sounds like he's a good dude, though. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on May 06, 2018, 06:20:36 PM
The amount of talent to cohesively bring together all those characters/storylines and give them all (somewhat) their time on the screen was the most impressive thing about it for me.

They did a great job of making everyone relevant and creating the kind of interactions we've waited a decade to see while also moving the story along quickly.

The one thing I would've liked more of was using uncommon partnerships to create physical interactions. Strange and the Peters (Parker with teleportation, Quill with the jumping platforms) and Bucky doing the spinning hail of gunfire with Rocket were about the only really creative partnerships.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 07, 2018, 10:06:08 AM
I saw Avengers - Infinity War over the weekend.  A ton of meat packed into this film.  I feel like I may need to see again to figure out what I missed or what may be important after reading some post-film reviews on the movie.  It was good, but the in limbo status is obvious with a second film next year.

So Thor finally figured out how to be a god.
And Captain Marvel is coming out before the second Infinity War film and she will be in the second AIW film.  From what I read, based on comments from Kevin Feige and other Marvel personnel, her character is supposed to be the most powerful in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MUDish on May 07, 2018, 11:37:58 AM
Are we allowed to talk spoilers yet so I can give more poignant criticism of what I thought wasn't great about the movie?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 07, 2018, 11:59:41 AM
Don't know if there are any comic book readers here, but doe anyone know if there has been someone cast for Adam Warlock yet, or are they saving him for GOTG 3?

I just feel like he's way too important of a character to be left out of Avengers 4 and can't see how they close up the story arc without him.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on May 07, 2018, 02:49:49 PM
Don't know if there are any comic book readers here, but doe anyone know if there has been someone cast for Adam Warlock yet, or are they saving him for GOTG 3?

I just feel like he's way too important of a character to be left out of Avengers 4 and can't see how they close up the story arc without him.

He will not be in Avengers 4. That's confirmed by James Gunn. My guess is he debuts in GotG Vol. 3 and becomes a focal point of what is rumored to be a Cosmic heavy Phase 4. Possibly building to a Magus storyline down the road.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: SaveOD238 on May 09, 2018, 10:37:03 AM
Don't know if there are any comic book readers here, but doe anyone know if there has been someone cast for Adam Warlock yet, or are they saving him for GOTG 3?

I just feel like he's way too important of a character to be left out of Avengers 4 and can't see how they close up the story arc without him.

Pretty sure he was in the end-credits scene of Guardians 2
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on May 09, 2018, 12:05:42 PM
Pretty sure he was in the end-credits scene of Guardians 2

His cocoon was first seen in the Collector's possession in the mid-credits scene from Thor 2 when Sif and Volstagg bring the Aether/Reality Stone to him for safekeeping. GotG director James Gunn, who also directed that mid-credit scene, said that was a mistake and shouldn't have been in there.

The new and improved version of the cocoon was seen in the GotG Volume 2 post-credit scene in the possession of Her (Ayesha, the Elizabeth Debicki gold-skinned villain) and she referred to him as "Adam". From interviews with Gunn, it sounds like Warlock will first appear in GotG Volume 3.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on July 02, 2018, 11:36:41 PM
Question for those poo-pooing IWar.... have you seen all of the MCU movies, or are you jumping in midstream?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on July 05, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
Just saw Ant-Man and The Wasp. What a fun ride. I liked it a lot better than the first, and I liked the first. Marvel has had a great year.

They captured humor, tugged heartstrings, and frankly the action hero of the piece was Wasp. Ghost also made for an interesting antagonist. I was curious how they'd portray Ghost and it was well done.

After Infinity War, this felt like a needed turn. IW was so heavy, this was just a light-hearted, fun romp.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 06, 2018, 07:37:24 AM
Just saw Ant-Man and The Wasp. What a fun ride. I liked it a lot better than the first, and I liked the first. Marvel has had a great year.

They captured humor, tugged heartstrings, and frankly the action hero of the piece was Wasp. Ghost also made for an interesting antagonist. I was curious how they'd portray Ghost and it was well done.

After Infinity War, this felt like a needed turn. IW was so heavy, this was just a light-hearted, fun romp.

Cool!  I'm going to see Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: The Deane Team on July 06, 2018, 07:45:15 AM
Michael Peña's character stole the show in Ant Man & Wasp
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU82 on July 06, 2018, 07:52:54 AM
I just got out of the theater...was it good though? I’m by no means trying to play Debbie Downer and generally I enjoy Marvel movies, but kinda thought it was alright, but also feel like that’s two and a half hours I’m not getting back. I didn’t read the comics, pay no attention to spoilers, and kinda figured things out as to the ending around the 2 hour mark. They’ll get my money again for the next one, but as a cinematic experience, kinda left me meh.

Question for those poo-pooing IWar.... have you seen all of the MCU movies, or are you jumping in midstream?

We had friends visiting from out of town this past week, and while the women shopped the men went and watched IW.

I'll answer Benny's question first: I have seen hardly any of the MCU movies, and I've never read any of the comic books. I saw the first and second Iron Man films (I liked the first; the second, I might as well have thrown my money into a toilet and flushed), Black Panther and one of the Captain America sequels (can't remember which). That's it. I also saw the original Spider-Man trilogy with Tobey Maguire ... I guess they don't count as MCU films?

As for IW, I was entertained. And as some others said, I was impressed by the ability to weave in so many characters from so many past movies. I really liked Brolin as Thanos.

SPOILER SPOILER

I had not read anything about the movie -- if I think there's even a chance that I'm going to see a film, I will not read any reviews because I HATE spoilers -- so I knew nothing about the backstory. And while watching it, I did not realize there would be no resolution.

My immediate thought as I left the theater was similar to what I felt when I walked out of Empire Strikes Back: "Crap, they did an entire movie expressly to make me have to watch the next one." But of course, being a Star Wars fan and not a lifelong MCU fan, I thought Empire was a better stand-alone film than IW.

As MCU films go, I'd probably rate Black Panther and this one as the best I've seen, though I remember enjoying the 2002 Spider-Man more than either. And if I'm going to lump all comic-book movies in one big pile, I liked The Dark Knight best of all. Heck, for sheer entertainment, I remember liking the original Superman with Christopher Reeve (but I was a lot younger and easier to entertain then).

Finally, I will say that as I've become a more experienced, discerning film-goer (in other words, as I've gotten older) I've become a "tough grader."

I use what I call the "Schindler's List" scale: If Schindler is a perfect 4 on the standard 4-star rating system -- and I think it is -- then I do not casually throw around 4s or even 3.5s or 3s.

So I certainly wouldn't give IW worse than a solid 2.5, which isn't a bad score for me, and if I thought about it enough I might hike that to 3 (but probably not).

But it wasn't Schindler's or Raging Bull or Jaws or The Graduate or Casablanca or Shawshank Redemption or Godfather or Hoop Dreams or Star Wars or E.T. or ...
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on September 18, 2018, 02:18:24 PM
Captain Marvel just dropped (haha, pun intended).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8

Nothing sets a story in the late 90's better than a Blockbuster Video.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on September 18, 2018, 03:00:19 PM
Captain Marvel just dropped (haha, pun intended).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8

Nothing sets a story in the late 90's better than a Blockbuster Video.

It's going to be interesting because they have quite the narrative pinhole to navigate. They have to do a Captain Marvel origin story that takes place outside of the contemporary MCU so there aren't any continuity issues but then loop it back so that Captain Marvel can undo the #snapture but do so in a way that everyone doesn't ask, well why didn't we just call Captain Marvel in the first place to kill Thanos? Plus they are going to have a two eyed Nick Fury and a young Phil Coulson so S.H.I.E.L.D is part of the story line but infiltrated by Skree so that means S.H.I.E.L.D was infiltrated by both Skree AND Nazis? Was that organization ever not infiltrated?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on September 18, 2018, 08:30:55 PM
It's going to be interesting because they have quite the narrative pinhole to navigate. They have to do a Captain Marvel origin story that takes place outside of the contemporary MCU so there aren't any continuity issues but then loop it back so that Captain Marvel can undo the #snapture but do so in a way that everyone doesn't ask, well why didn't we just call Captain Marvel in the first place to kill Thanos? Plus they are going to have a two eyed Nick Fury and a young Phil Coulson so S.H.I.E.L.D is part of the story line but infiltrated by Skree so that means S.H.I.E.L.D was infiltrated by both Skree AND Nazis? Was that organization ever not infiltrated?

All that and they have to open the door for HtD in Phase 4. 

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: jesmu84 on December 03, 2018, 08:55:01 PM
Captain marvel trailer 2 dropped.

Eh.

11th hour origin story as the solution to a decade of movies. Hopefully it isn't just a plot device and the original avengers have more of a role.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on December 04, 2018, 08:27:50 AM
Captain marvel trailer 2 dropped.

Eh.

11th hour origin story as the solution to a decade of movies. Hopefully it isn't just a plot device and the original avengers have more of a role.

I want to like it, but I'm just not there. Given how the Cree have been bad guys in the TV version of the MCU plus Guardians, plus the #Snapture unwind stuff.....this is going to have to be an exposition heavy movie to explain to untie all the Gordian knots and I don't know if that's going to be that great.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 04, 2018, 11:49:48 AM
I want to like it, but I'm just not there. Given how the Cree have been bad guys in the TV version of the MCU plus Guardians, plus the #Snapture unwind stuff.....this is going to have to be an exposition heavy movie to explain to untie all the Gordian knots and I don't know if that's going to be that great.

 I just watched the trailer.

Theory - Cree as the bad guys - maybe it has something to do why Captain Marvel disappears for 20 years and Nick Fury is "paging" her at the end of IW? 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on December 04, 2018, 12:37:07 PM
I want to like it, but I'm just not there. Given how the Cree have been bad guys in the TV version of the MCU plus Guardians, plus the #Snapture unwind stuff.....this is going to have to be an exposition heavy movie to explain to untie all the Gordian knots and I don't know if that's going to be that great.

I believe it's the "Kree" which we are discussing.  Cree is a native tribe in northern Canada, IIRC.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 04, 2018, 01:25:21 PM
I believe it's the "Kree" which we are discussing.  Cree is a native tribe in northern Canada, IIRC.

Maybe they are really an alien race.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on December 07, 2018, 08:15:14 AM
Endgame, Avengers Endgame was the answer we were looking for
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: jesmu84 on December 07, 2018, 08:59:43 AM
Endgame, Avengers Endgame was the answer we were looking for

And moved up to April
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: LoudMouth on December 07, 2018, 10:47:41 AM
And moved up to April
Probably just a week like they did for IW. More uninterrupted box office time before other big name movies come out in May
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on December 12, 2018, 04:19:31 PM
I'm struggling a bit to understand the concept of the Quantum Realm and the associated time vortexes one might find therein.  Evidently, all this is going to play a big role even beyond Endgame.

What I would like to know most of all is whether the technology used to open/navigate the Quantum Realm could also be retooled to summon a Dark Overlord. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 12, 2018, 05:16:27 PM
I'm scared that as marvel's universe expands the early films' bad guys will lose their luster or they'll end up in the DC tv universe issue of a bunch of different dimensions that it starts to get difficult to keep track.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on December 12, 2018, 06:23:23 PM
I'm struggling a bit to understand the concept of the Quantum Realm and the associated time vortexes one might find therein.  Evidently, all this is going to play a big role even beyond Endgame.

What I would like to know most of all is whether the technology used to open/navigate the Quantum Realm could also be retooled to summon a Dark Overlord.

If by Dark Overlord you mean Howard the Duck from the 80s.....I think that's exactly the technology
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on December 13, 2018, 07:32:24 AM
Now that Netflix is cancelling all the street level series, it'll be interesting to see what Marvel/Disney does with the characters. They can't use any of the Netflix series characters for two years. That means July 2020 for Luke Cage would be the soonest, though with character crossover like Misty & Colleen, they would probably be better off waiting until 2021.

That seems like a long way off, but if they incorporated new characters, it might not be. Disney+ could do Moon Knight in winter 2019, The Hood in summer 2020, then that next winter start back up with Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and Daredevil all leading to Defenders Season 2 with The Hood as the main villain. With other series coming to Disney+, it would also allow them to roll those shows into the greater MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on December 13, 2018, 09:25:13 AM
If by Dark Overlord you mean Howard the Duck from the 80s.....I think that's exactly the technology

(https://media.giphy.com/media/BQjhadLCFWHcI/giphy.gif)

The prophecy is sealed.  The MCU shall begin and end with Howard.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 13, 2018, 12:06:06 PM
If by Dark Overlord you mean Howard the Duck from the 80s.....I think that's exactly the technology

Howard the Duck was in the end credits of Guardians of the Galaxy..............
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on December 13, 2018, 12:35:50 PM
Howard the Duck was in the end credits of Guardians of the Galaxy..............

Not this guy though.....
(http://www.retroland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Howard-the-Duck.jpg)

Oh the horror. I mean the duck and Lea Thompson either almost got it on or did get it on.....just....the horror
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on December 13, 2018, 12:57:25 PM
Howard the Duck was in the end credits of Guardians of the Galaxy..............

He was in both GotG movies. Voiced by Seth Green.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on December 13, 2018, 01:33:28 PM
Oh the horror. I mean the duck and Lea Thompson either almost got it on or did get it on.....just....the horror

I know.  Poor Howard.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: reinko on December 14, 2018, 09:24:23 AM
While not MCU, anyone gonna go see the new Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse movie?  It's getting fantastic reviews...not sure if I will catch in the theaters, but definitely a rental
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 14, 2018, 01:10:27 PM
I'm still kind of disappointed the MCU didn't introduce Adam Warlock before A4 (Besides the GOTG 2 end credits).

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Captain Marvel takes over his role but also hoping to see some of the Eternals pop up as well. Too bad they really screwed up the Fantastic 4. Galactus would have been a nice cameo.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 14, 2018, 03:55:18 PM
I'm still kind of disappointed the MCU didn't introduce Adam Warlock before A4 (Besides the GOTG 2 end credits).

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that Captain Marvel takes over his role but also hoping to see some of the Eternals pop up as well. Too bad they really screwed up the Fantastic 4. Galactus would have been a nice cameo.

Wasn't quil's dad an eternal?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on December 14, 2018, 08:40:42 PM
Wasn't quil's dad an eternal?

Celestial.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: TAMU Eagle on December 31, 2018, 12:55:11 AM
Not actually part of the MCU but Into the Spiderverse is fantastic. I highly recommend it. It may be my new favorite marvel movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 01, 2019, 09:19:43 AM
Not actually part of the MCU but Into the Spiderverse is fantastic. I highly recommend it. It may be my new favorite marvel movie.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 02, 2019, 10:02:11 AM
Not actually part of the MCU but Into the Spiderverse is fantastic. I highly recommend it. It may be my new favorite marvel movie.

My kids went a saw it yesterday and loved it.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 12, 2019, 04:56:58 AM
Did anyone see Captain Marvel over the weekend?   I really enjoyed the 90's grunge flashbacks.  It answered some questions and left some new ones  l don't want to type any possible spoilers.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: tower912 on March 12, 2019, 06:17:42 AM
Saw it, enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: reinko on March 12, 2019, 07:23:16 AM
Give it a solid B+.

In my unofficial MCU tiers of moveis, I would put it solidly in the middle of the 2nd tier.

1st tier (in no order): Avengers I, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, GoG, Iron Man I, Civil War
2nd tier: Infinity War, Captain Marvel, Ragnarok, Homecoming, GoG2, Dr. Strange
3rd Tier: Ant Man, Ant Man II, Iron Man 3, CA 1st Avenger, Thor, Ultron
4th tier: Iron Man 2, Hulk, Thor 2
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: tower912 on March 12, 2019, 07:26:23 AM
The biggest unanswered question for me is where was the tesseract from the 40's through the 80's?    How did Annette Benning's character come into possession of it?     The rest was just fun.     And I now like cats even less. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 12, 2019, 07:46:56 AM
The biggest unanswered question for me is where was the tesseract from the 40's through the 80's?    How did Annette Benning's character come into possession of it?     The rest was just fun.     And I now like cats even less.

I may have to re-watch again as I saw a lot of theories on things seen in Mar-Vell's lab including a blue ring that looked like Howard Stark's model of an Arc Reactor that may answer some of the 40's through 80's question.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: reinko on March 14, 2019, 10:33:16 AM
New trailer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on March 14, 2019, 10:43:16 AM
New trailer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c

Ahhhhhh.... that's why they waited until now to release.

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 14, 2019, 12:27:08 PM
Ahhhhhh.... that's why they waited until now to release.

"I like this one."
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: tower912 on March 14, 2019, 01:30:50 PM
Nice.    Ready to go see it right now. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on March 14, 2019, 04:06:55 PM
Nice.    Ready to go see it right now. 

Go to Fandango and sign up for the alert when tickets go on sale.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Matt Heldt The Milk Man on March 14, 2019, 08:34:11 PM
Give it a solid B+.

In my unofficial MCU tiers of moveis, I would put it solidly in the middle of the 2nd tier.

1st tier (in no order): Avengers I, Winter Soldier, Black Panther, GoG, Iron Man I, Civil War
2nd tier: Infinity War, Captain Marvel, Ragnarok, Homecoming, GoG2, Dr. Strange
3rd Tier: Ant Man, Ant Man II, Iron Man 3, CA 1st Avenger, Thor, Ultron
4th tier: Iron Man 2, Hulk, Thor 2

In my opinion, I would put Ragnarok into the 1st tier because even though it was a bit to lengthy, it helped revive Thor. He was not being used the way that I would've liked him to be, but this movie showed off his true power and showed that he is more than his hammer, which I thought was awesome. Before seeing the movie, he ranked 3rd as my favorite avenger, but after seeing him go through everything that he did an then do ape in Ragnarok and Infinity War, it made him number 1.

Question: What happened to the girl warrior from Ragnarok, the one that was with Hulk?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: PTM on March 15, 2019, 07:59:51 AM
Ragnarok is the best movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2019, 07:18:48 AM
Just saw Captain Marvel and just couldn't get into it. Didnt have much character development and just sort of jumped right in. The action was fun, and it had some cute moments but that's about it for me.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on March 25, 2019, 04:05:24 PM
Just saw Captain Marvel and just couldn't get into it. Didnt have much character development and just sort of jumped right in. The action was fun, and it had some cute moments but that's about it for me.

Out of curiosity, how many of the MCU movies have you seen?

And if "most" or "all" is the answer, did you feel the same way after Doctor Strange and Ant-Man (the only post-Phase I where a singular title/lead character is making his/her first appearance in the MCU)?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 25, 2019, 04:29:41 PM
Captain Marvel has interestingly become my 16-year old daughter's favorite Marcel character.  Her and her friends went to go see it a second time over the weekend.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2019, 05:14:51 PM
Out of curiosity, how many of the MCU movies have you seen?

And if "most" or "all" is the answer, did you feel the same way after Doctor Strange and Ant-Man (the only post-Phase I where a singular title/lead character is making his/her first appearance in the MCU)?

Every one, the mini movies and three of the netflix shows (jones, agents and daredevil)

I didn't care for Dr strange either to be honest. Ant-Man I loved, I feel like there's plenty of development amongst everyone in that. In Captain Marvel I just sort of found myself not really rooting for her, didn't have much suspense for me. Hey it's just an opinion though.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on March 31, 2019, 08:42:49 AM
This is awesome. Guy never watched any MCU movies except Black Panther and is now watching them all and live tweeting it as he does. Great thread: https://twitter.com/chrismnovak/status/1111096414065569793?s=21
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: reinko on April 02, 2019, 07:39:33 AM
Endgame presale tix available as of today..Fandango has an hour+ wait, to buy tickets online, in a month in advance  :o :o :o

edit....

AMC website is a hot mess too, still haven't secured tix after trying the last 90 min
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MUDish on April 02, 2019, 09:16:59 AM
3 hours and 2 minute run time...that's not ideal.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: CreightonWarrior on April 02, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
Endgame presale tix available as of today..Fandango has an hour+ wait, to buy tickets online, in a month in advance  :o :o :o

edit....

AMC website is a hot mess too, still haven't secured tix after trying the last 90 min
I was quick to the trigger. Got first picks of seats for our traditional Tuesday night $5 showing.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: reinko on April 02, 2019, 01:00:16 PM
I was quick to the trigger. Got first picks of seats for our traditional Tuesday night $5 showing.


Only took five hours, but secured two for Sat showing in some great seats
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on April 02, 2019, 07:26:46 PM
I was OOO this morning, got back to the office at 2:00 to a notification tix were on sale.  By that time, only decent seats available through the weekend was the Saturday 5:00 slot in 3D. 

So 3D it is, I guess.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: CreightonWarrior on April 02, 2019, 09:42:35 PM
FYI for future use, I go to Marcus exclusively so I have ticket notifications from Marcus and Fandango. Marcus came in about 4 hours before fandango. Got lucky and saw the Marcus email right away and got in to my theater showing first.

More of a commentary and movie going nowadays but nothing beats the $5 Tuesday movies and being able to pick my seats ahead of time has become such a game changer.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU82 on April 02, 2019, 10:50:18 PM
3 hours and 2 minute run time...that's not ideal.

It's ideal for makers and sellers of catheters. I know I'll need one!

I guess I won't be able to return to this thread from April 26 until about May 26, because I won't be first in line (or among the first several thousand) and I won't want to hear the spoilers!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 03, 2019, 08:43:47 AM
I got tickets for Sunday around noon showing.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on April 04, 2019, 10:51:53 AM
ENDGAME PLOT PROGNOSTICATIONS... not spoilers, simply predictions of how things might shake out in Endgame.

1) Nobody actually died in Infinity War... Thanos simply created a new reality (like he did on Knowhere, but a much grander scale), perhaps even a new universe, and sent half the people to the other one.

  - Historically, Thanos just went around halving populations the old fashioned way.  While it may have been time-consuming, all he needed was the power and space stones (the former which he had before the movie even started, and the latter which he gained during the opening credits) and it would have sped the process up significantly (soul stone might have helped, too).  So why go to the trouble of getting the reality, time and mind stones - further, how do those stones help with halving the population?  Perhaps his moral compass caught up with him?

2) The "did you do it" scene near the end of Infinity War... contrary to popular belief, I don't think it was a dream sequence.  After the snappening, Thanos went back in time, perhaps to regain the years of life he spent carrying out his vision.

Either way, somehow the MCU needs to set itself up for the next band.  Seems that the multiverse is the way to go these days.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: UWW2MU on April 11, 2019, 01:22:11 PM
Captain Marvel was just ho-hum for me.  Toward the lower end of MCU movies.  Brie Larson's acting isn't as polished and natural feeling to me as many of the other actors, not feeling that fit with her.  The background build up of the character was there I think though, just came about different because of her not having many memories in the early part of the movie.  I liked discovering them with her and figuring things out as we went along (I tried VERY hard not to get spoilers for once, so I went in dark).

I also think they could have played up the 90's more and had more fun with it.  The blockbuster and CD-ROM stuff was fun, but felt ubiquitous.  I feel like GoTG did a better job making me feel the 80's than CM did with the 90's.  Needed more stuff like the "I'm just a girl" fight scene music.


If anyone is interested, I have 3 tickets to Endgame that I am not using (we decided to go to a later showing) and will get a refund on soon if no one wants to purchase them from me.  They are dead center seats at the Marcus North Shore Ultrascreen on April 27th at 11am. Seats G12, 13, 14.     G11-14 are literally best seats in the house and G11 is still available on Marcus' website if you wanted 4 seats together.   

Message me with an offer if interested (should this actually be in the trading post??).  I'm not looking to make a ton of money off of it, but thought if I could hook someone up with great seats who'd appreciate them and make a few bucks, why not?   ::)      (Cash/Venmo/and stating that my ranking of the MCU movies earlier in this thread is perfect are the only forms of payment I'll take)



Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 25, 2019, 09:24:00 AM
wow. Incredible movie.

FYI don't stay through the credits.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: lawdog77 on April 25, 2019, 10:48:31 AM
wow. Incredible movie.

FYI don't stay through the credits.
Great movie. Can't believe it was just all a drug induced dream of Derek Lutz.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 25, 2019, 12:54:30 PM
FYI don't stay through the credits.

Can I get a confirm on that?  My 10 year old won't budge until there's no hope of an additional credit scene.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 25, 2019, 12:57:00 PM
Can I get a confirm on that?  My 10 year old won't budge until there's no hope of an additional credit scene.

100% confirmation, stayed through the credits and till the lights were on.

Great movie. Can't believe it was just all a drug induced dream of Derek Lutz.

Was shocked by the role batman and superman played in it
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: UWW2MU on April 25, 2019, 01:45:49 PM
Many news outlets are reporting there is not post credit scene.  However, they're making mentions similar to this:

"However, there is something at the end of the movie, after the credits roll. It's not a scene, it's a sound. I won't tell you what it is. Only the most diehard fans will want to stick around to hear it. Somehow, this sound teases what's to come in Phase 4 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe."

So now I feel like I'm going to be stuck sitting for something that's done really fast.  Maybe I'll just check it out after the fact.  Will probably depend on the status of my bladder.     

haha, I said "depend" when talking about my bladder!  ohhh, classic...
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on April 25, 2019, 03:05:48 PM
Not sure why Disney isn't taking this as an opportunity to sell a Marvel-branded catheter
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 25, 2019, 04:28:31 PM
Not sure why Disney isn't taking this as an opportunity to sell a Marvel-branded catheter

This just made my afternoon!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 25, 2019, 10:16:48 PM
Endgame is excellent. Amazed how it brought so many different threads & characters together. It touches on aspects of Marvel & the MCU (not the same thing) I never would've imagined. It made me laugh often, brought tears to my eyes, and elicited cheers from the crowd. It focuses on the original characters while also highlighting the growing diverse ensemble of heroes. And while the main storyline is definitely the focus, it drops hints to some characters that will be more important in Phase 4 and beyond. I can't recommend it highly enough.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MUDish on April 27, 2019, 11:30:25 PM
For someone like myself who strongly disliked Infinity Wars, End Game is a near masterpiece. The third (final) act is the eff’n payoff of payoffs. They couldn’t have done that final act any better, Bravo.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2019, 02:46:10 AM
NM was going to ask for opinions on a scene that seemed to be pandering to a demographic and not actually flow with the movie at that moment. but probably too soon to include specifics.

Comment if you know what I'm referring to and your opinion.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 28, 2019, 08:04:45 AM
Great movie.   I kinda wish I hadn't known the length before I sat down, as you're looking at your watch knowing it's x% done. 

Lots of jokes in the movie .. maybe a few too many, sometimes they seemed tacked on.   Very much loved Thor in this, though.

The did a nice job with .. details.  At the end, you'll think "why did X happen" or "what happened to Y" .. but you think it through, and they did it right.  Lots of other movies have plot elements that aren't well thought out .. not this movie. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MUDish on April 28, 2019, 09:28:45 AM
This movie should absolutely get nominated for Best Picture at next year’s Oscars. For a film that had massive expectations going in, exceeded them, and moves you through the emotions that it does, I was blown away. I wouldn’t categorize it as an action movie either, it’s much more a drama/comedy. There should also be a best actor nominee and a best supporting actress nominee from this film.

I’m not giving anything away, but the closing credits are perfection.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Cheeks on April 28, 2019, 09:36:03 AM
Saw it last night.  Enjoyed it.  Had lots of SJW stuff for those folks that need it forced into everything, but otherwise very entertaining.  I only have really one open question related to Thor’s hammer and where is it now?

Don’t bother staying through the credits, no reveals in this one except for an audio clue at the very end.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 28, 2019, 09:37:51 AM
I’m not giving anything away, but the closing credits are perfection.

Damnit .. so we saw it at our local theater and they made a couple of announcements before letting us in, including "there are no cut scenes in the end credits, so you can leave right away."      .. They need the time to clean up, so they really want people to leave quickly.   So we left.

So .. what was interesting about the credits?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Cheeks on April 28, 2019, 09:39:36 AM
NM was going to ask for opinions on a scene that seemed to be pandering to a demographic and not actually flow with the movie at that moment. but probably too soon to include specifics.

Comment if you know what I'm referring to and your opinion.

There was forced pandering in several areas, I just accept the nonsense now because it so forced that even my daughter after the movie was like why do they have to make some of it so obvious, but we all enjoyed the movie overall despite.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MUDish on April 28, 2019, 09:49:47 AM
Damnit .. so we saw it at our local theater and they made a couple of announcements before letting us in, including "there are no cut scenes in the end credits, so you can leave right away."      .. They need the time to clean up, so they really want people to leave quickly.   So we left.

So .. what was interesting about the credits?

I guess it depends exactly when you left. There’s no scenes, when the movie exactly ends, they show production credits, and then the there’s a 2-3 minute montage of every actor who played a significant role, and then the score changes to the Avengers theme and each original Avenger has the actors autograph come up with their credit name. You may have seen it, but to me, after sitting through an emotional roller coaster for 3 hours, it was a goosebumps moment and a cool and unique way to end the film.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Cheeks on April 28, 2019, 10:13:40 AM
I guess it depends exactly when you left. There’s no scenes, when the movie exactly ends, they show production credits, and then the there’s a 2-3 minute montage of every actor who played a significant role, and then the score changes to the Avengers theme and each original Avenger has the actors autograph come up with their credit name. You may have seen it, but to me, after sitting through an emotional roller coaster for 3 hours, it was a goosebumps moment and a cool and unique way to end the film.

Yes, agree with that part.  Then the credits continue for another 5 minutes before the smithing sound.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: reinko on April 28, 2019, 10:19:11 AM
There was forced pandering in several areas, I just accept the nonsense now because it so forced that even my daughter after the movie was like why do they have to make some of it so obvious, but we all enjoyed the movie overall despite.

It only bothers if you let it.  Grow thicker skin, and don’t let things bother you.  (Here is where you say, it doesn’t bother me personally yadda yadda, but deep down it actually does).
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 28, 2019, 10:27:07 AM
It only bothers if you let it.  Grow thicker skin, and don’t let things bother you.  (Here is where you say, it doesn’t bother me personally yadda yadda, but deep down it actually does).

People don't mention things that don't bother them. Snowflakes.

Definitely agree with Dish regarding Best Picture. It was the most successful epic production I can recall since Titanic. It made me laugh, but wasn't a comedy. It made me cry, but wasn't a tragedy. It pulled at heartstrings, but wasn't a romance. Amazing how they wove so much emotion into one film. I haven't talked to anyone who didn't love it so far.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Cheeks on April 28, 2019, 10:32:00 AM
It only bothers if you let it.  Grow thicker skin, and don’t let things bother you.  (Here is where you say, it doesn’t bother me personally yadda yadda, but deep down it actually does).


That’s fine....I enjoyed the movie....the forced pandering is lame and takes away from it being an even better movie that I am paying for with my money.   Pretty simple.  It was 90% great, 10% SJW nonsense which was not needed and totally forced so Disney can touch all the SJW bonafides.  It was eye rolling in those moments, and didn’t have to be....but someone had to check a few boxes in the script, God Forbid. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Cheeks on April 28, 2019, 10:36:40 AM
People don't mention things that don't bother them. Snowflakes.

The irony since the group raising the biggest two stinks out there, are in fact snowflakes.  But me being a feminist and all, I support their beef.  The other major pandering scene earlier in the movie, well whatever....
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 28, 2019, 10:47:29 AM
The irony since the group raising the biggest two stinks out there, are in fact snowflakes.  But me being a feminist and all, I support their beef.  The other major pandering scene earlier in the movie, well whatever....

I don't think you know what a snowflake is. And one thing I'm adamant on, no man should call himself a feminist. We don't have the authority to make that determination.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
The irony since the group raising the biggest two stinks out there, are in fact snowflakes.  But me being a feminist and all, I support their beef.  The other major pandering scene earlier in the movie, well whatever....

Literally no idea what this is supposed to mean.
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Look I didn't mean to turn this into a thread about snowflakes and SJW stuff. I was just saying how forced it was and seemed to be a bit too obvious of pandering IMO. Essentially it was lazy compared to the scene in Infinity War with Black Widow Scarlett Witch & Okoye which was just as effective at showing those characters in action being awesome but worked with the flow of the movie.

 I can't speak to the other forced stuff Chicos is referring to.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 28, 2019, 11:11:56 AM
I can't speak to the other forced stuff Chicos is referring to.

Guessing he's talking about the acknowledgment of gay human beings. Wasn't a big part of the story at all and was dropped in very casually, but it's the kind of thing that tends to bundle undies.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 28, 2019, 02:22:51 PM
Just came from Endgame.  Loved it,  Ties everything together and yet leaves everything open. How Marvelish!
Interestingly, Marvel is saying the Spiderman movie in July is the end of Phase 3 not Endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Cheeks on April 28, 2019, 02:33:09 PM
Literally no idea what this is supposed to mean.
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Look I didn't mean to turn this into a thread about snowflakes and SJW stuff. I was just saying how forced it was and seemed to be a bit too obvious of pandering IMO. Essentially it was lazy compared to the scene in Infinity War with Black Widow Scarlett Witch & Okoye which was just as effective at showing those characters in action being awesome but worked with the flow of the movie.

 I can't speak to the other forced stuff Chicos is referring to.

It means he was implying I was a snowflake when if you read the press on who is most upset about the scene in question is from Feminists railing on it.....that’s the irony.  The truly “aggrieved”.  And yes, it was forced, patronizing, pandered, etc.....but I enjoyed the movie very much....it just wasn’t needed the same as several other scenes.  Another snowflake group is all wound up and pissed off about Black Panther in that same scene.....whatever.  The other forced scene was admitted to by the director as purposely forcing it so they could make a societal call because you know...Marvel comics is where we all get woke...when they admit to forcing it in there, I just take them at their word that they are being truthful....forced.  Great movie, can do without the forcing of stuff when feels nd looks forced, so much so that the very groups of people that they are supposed to be paying homage are ticked off in how they did it....backfired.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: reinko on April 28, 2019, 04:46:12 PM
Backfired to the tune of earning 1.2 billion in its opening weekend  ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 28, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
Backfired to the tune of earning 1.2 billion in its opening weekend  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Mediocre, aina?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: tower912 on April 28, 2019, 06:42:52 PM
Cheeks, there is always 'Breakthrough' and 'Unplanned'.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 28, 2019, 07:02:24 PM
It means he was implying I was a snowflake when if you read the press on who is most upset about the scene in question is from Feminists railing on it.....that’s the irony.  The truly “aggrieved”.  And yes, it was forced, patronizing, pandered, etc.....but I enjoyed the movie very much....it just wasn’t needed the same as several other scenes.  Another snowflake group is all wound up and pissed off about Black Panther in that same scene.....whatever.  The other forced scene was admitted to by the director as purposely forcing it so they could make a societal call because you know...Marvel comics is where we all get woke...when they admit to forcing it in there, I just take them at their word that they are being truthful....forced.  Great movie, can do without the forcing of stuff when feels nd looks forced, so much so that the very groups of people that they are supposed to be paying homage are ticked off in how they did it....backfired.

TL/DR But someone looks triggered lol.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Cheeks on April 29, 2019, 08:54:23 AM
Guessing he's talking about the acknowledgment of gay human beings. Wasn't a big part of the story at all and was dropped in very casually, but it's the kind of thing that tends to bundle undies.

Nope, and why would I?  People in my family are gay, some of my employees are gay, dear friends of mine gay....I was in a gay wedding this past Summer.  You couldn't be more wrong.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Cheeks on April 29, 2019, 08:55:39 AM
Backfired to the tune of earning 1.2 billion in its opening weekend  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Of course, fun movie enjoyed it very much.  Threw down many ducats myself.  It could have been an even better movie, but you know....boxes needed to be checked to addressed the outraged.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 29, 2019, 09:20:26 AM
Of course, fun movie enjoyed it very much.  Threw down many ducats myself.  It could have been an even better movie, but you know....boxes needed to be checked to addressed the outraged.

I'll say, you are really going awfully far out of your way to be upset about this movie. Nothing feels more forced than your reaction.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: lawdog77 on April 29, 2019, 10:05:25 AM
I'll say, you are really going awfully far out of your way to be upset about this movie. Nothing feels more forced than your reaction.
you sound surprised. He always seems to me to be "that guy"
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on April 29, 2019, 10:17:58 AM
you sound surprised. He always seems to me to be "that guy"

Not surprised, but it is tiresome. Not something to address in here without spoilers.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 30, 2019, 08:25:10 AM
Endgame is becoming a medical condition...

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/avengers-fan-china-taken-hospital-becoming-hysterical-endgame-screening-102151739.html
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Hards_Alumni on April 30, 2019, 08:23:27 PM
Literally no idea what this is supposed to mean.
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Look I didn't mean to turn this into a thread about snowflakes and SJW stuff. I was just saying how forced it was and seemed to be a bit too obvious of pandering IMO. Essentially it was lazy compared to the scene in Infinity War with Black Widow Scarlett Witch & Okoye which was just as effective at showing those characters in action being awesome but worked with the flow of the movie.

 I can't speak to the other forced stuff Chicos is referring to.

I also consider myself a feminist, but I think Hollywood could use a lesson in subtlety. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on May 01, 2019, 06:44:29 AM
Just watched the movie last night and absolutely loved it, not sure I could find a single complaint about it.

I will say this about the "gay" scene that some seem upset about here, the fact that anyone reacts to that scene or finds it remarkable in anyway is exactly why that kind of casual reference needs to be in a movie like this. It should be totally unremarkable that someone in the MCU is gay and goes on dates, so why is it so disconcerting that such a scene exists? Especially when it's done in such a casual and unforced way? I bet you there are some that didn't even notice
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on May 02, 2019, 01:07:29 AM
I also consider myself a feminist, but I think Hollywood could use a lesson in subtlety.

At what point does one go from being a feminist to being a male lesbian?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Hards_Alumni on May 02, 2019, 05:22:32 AM
At what point does one go from being a feminist to being a male lesbian?

Well, never as long as you understand the definition.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on May 02, 2019, 07:47:11 AM
At what point does one go from being a feminist to being a male lesbian?

I 100% support male lesbians
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2019, 05:10:59 AM
so whats the deal with xmen? because of the buyout of fox will disney incorporate them into the MCU? 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU82 on June 03, 2019, 07:39:38 AM
I 100% support male lesbians

Male Lesbian Man/Woman

Sounds like the next MCU character!
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on June 03, 2019, 08:35:12 AM
so whats the deal with xmen? because of the buyout of fox will disney incorporate them into the MCU?

Yes, but I don't think until later in Phase 4. I expect that Deadpool will be the bridge to bring the X-Men into MCU
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 03, 2019, 09:44:34 AM
From what I read there is no word yet what Disney will do with X-Men and if/when they will introduce into the MCU.

I read that someone wants to introduce Deadpool into Spiderman 3 (there is a Deadpool & Spiderman Comic), but that Sony was pushing for Tom Hardy's Venom to be introduced instead. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on June 03, 2019, 02:19:37 PM
I look forward to the incorporation of X-Men into the MCU; however, how the hell are they going to solve the Maximoff quandry?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 03, 2019, 03:31:51 PM
I look forward to the incorporation of X-Men into the MCU; however, how the hell are they going to solve the Maximoff quandry?

Multiverse?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on June 03, 2019, 04:00:10 PM
Multiverse?

Has to be right? I mean how else do you explain an era where the avengers save the world, the fantastic four are praised as stars, and spiderman is a hero but mutants are hated and shunned?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on June 03, 2019, 04:24:18 PM
Has to be right? I mean how else do you explain an era where the avengers save the world, the fantastic four are praised as stars, and spiderman is a hero but mutants are hated and shunned?

I think Into the Spider-verse is important dot com
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Benny B on June 06, 2019, 11:30:11 PM
Multiverse?

There’s also the Cabnos paradox and Torchmonger question.  Multiverse ain’t solving those. 
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on June 07, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Has to be right? I mean how else do you explain an era where the avengers save the world, the fantastic four are praised as stars, and spiderman is a hero but mutants are hated and shunned?

Full reboot. We don't know what Tony snapped for, but maybe mutation could be part of his shield around the world. And the emergence of powered people in local schools could be perceived differently than the Avengers that are thousands of miles away (for most people). A few mutants could already exist secretly, which would allow maybe Logan & Professor X, or bring some in with the multiverse (Magneto & Deadpool), but I think a reboot would be best. It also would allow explanation of the Maximoffs by simply leaving them out of the X-canon.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: jesmu84 on June 18, 2019, 01:53:17 PM
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733479265/avengers-but-make-it-without-women-or-men-hugging-or-levity-in-general

Finally a film for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: UWW2MU on June 18, 2019, 03:51:56 PM
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733479265/avengers-but-make-it-without-women-or-men-hugging-or-levity-in-general

Finally a film for the rest of us.

Ugh, I heard about this.  This only got traction because it was deemed news worthy that someone made it, not because people actually wanted to see this edited version.  It had essentially near zero downloads until the media made into something that people who were aghast at the notion started downloading to see what was done.

Society is better served ignoring these sort of things rather than blowing them up into something bigger than it should be, just for the sake of ratings, clicks, and viewers. 

Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: mu03eng on June 18, 2019, 05:37:53 PM
Ugh, I heard about this.  This only got traction because it was deemed news worthy that someone made it, not because people actually wanted to see this edited version.  It had essentially near zero downloads until the media made into something that people who were aghast at the notion started downloading to see what was done.

Society is better served ignoring these sort of things rather than blowing them up into something bigger than it should be, just for the sake of ratings, clicks, and viewers.

Giving idiots like this a platform is just stupid. Why is it news that there is some moron out there that is a bigot doing bigoted stuff?
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: TAMU Eagle on June 18, 2019, 06:49:28 PM
Ugh, I heard about this.  This only got traction because it was deemed news worthy that someone made it, not because people actually wanted to see this edited version.  It had essentially near zero downloads until the media made into something that people who were aghast at the notion started downloading to see what was done.

Society is better served ignoring these sort of things rather than blowing them up into something bigger than it should be, just for the sake of ratings, clicks, and viewers.

Oddly enough, the NPR article mentioned this exact thing....while doing the opposite
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on July 02, 2019, 09:05:29 PM
Wow was Spider-Man: Far From Home fun. Great light-hearted romp with the perfect balance of teen angst & action. Really needed that after Endgame. Such a fun movie.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: Galway Eagle on July 03, 2019, 07:56:32 AM
Wow was Spider-Man: Far From Home fun. Great light-hearted romp with the perfect balance of teen angst & action. Really needed that after Endgame. Such a fun movie.

Agree with this. Though that one trippy scene was a bit much for my 9yr old nephew in case anyone is considering bringing children they're easily scared.
Title: Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
Post by: brewcity77 on July 03, 2019, 09:01:45 AM
Agree with this. Though that one trippy scene was a bit much for my 9yr old nephew in case anyone is considering bringing children they're easily scared.

I can see that. I also thought they did well with Mysterio in general. Made him both interesting and explainable in a way that fit the MCU. I like how they've revamped Spider-Man characters to fit in to modern storylines like him and Vulture.

Also...those post-credit scenes, holy crap. Those were two of the most consequential post-credit scenes so far, both in terms of Spider-Man's future and the MCU as a whole.