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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 02, 2017, 03:27:28 PM
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I just received this email. Sounds like an interesting event.
You are invited to the
Marquette Men's Basketball Centennial Hoopla
Gather with fellow fans, university leaders and Men’s Basketball Head Coach Steve Wojciechowski to relive Marquette basketball history as former players and coaches recall past eras, sharing iconic moments and personal stories that have left a lasting impact on the program, fans and community.
The evening will be emceed by Jay Bilas, college basketball analyst, ESPN.
Friday, June 23
5 p.m. Reception
6 p.m. Dinner and program
BMO Harris Bradley Center
1001 N. 4th St., Milwaukee
Click here to respond by Friday, June 16.
$125 per person
Please note that $25 of the registration cost will be considered a non-refundable donation to the Men’s Basketball Excellence Fund.
For questions or special needs, contact University Special Events at universityspecialevents@marquette.edu or (414) 288-7431.
Thank you to The Centennial Hoopla Honorary Chairs:
Don Kojis (1959-1961)
Bo Ellis (1974-1977)
Doc Rivers (1981-1983)
Dwyane Wade (2002-2003)
Travis Diener (2002-2005)
Steve Novak (2003-2006)
Wesley Matthews (2006-2009)
Jae Crowder (2011-2012)
Sponsorship Opportunities:
Blue Sponsor: $5,000 includes name/logo exposure at the Centennial Hoopla; Two tables of ten (10) guests; Attendance for five (5) guests at VIP pre-reception.
Gold Sponsor: $2,500 includes one table of ten (10) guests; Attendance for two (2) guests at VIP pre-reception.
Table Sponsor: $1,250 includes one table of ten (10) guests.
Additional sponsorship opportunities are available. Please visit marquettebasketball.com/hoopla for more information.
For hotel information and other details, visit marquettebasketball.com/hoopla.
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Jay Bilas is emceeing the event? Clearly he's only agreed to this to sabotage a Big East team.
In all seriousness, sounds like an interesting event. Would love to go.
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This is worth it just for Bilas.
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This is worth it just for Bilas.
Seriously, take advantage of the free legal advice.
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Seriously, take advantage of the free legal advice.
In rap form. Gotta go to work.
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This is worth it just for Bilas.
Guaranteed heel start his speech citin' da 5 B's of speech givin':
Be Brief Brother, Be Brief, ai na?
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So is anyone going? Glow and I just signed up.
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If I am in town Mrs. Goose and I will be there.
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Would love to but will be on a plane back from a corporate business engagement in Portland, OR. But have fun all!
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I'm flirting with the idea. Reasonably priced flights in.
Sounds like there are a lot of speakers... will be interesting to see how lively & interesting they can keep it
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Would love to but will be on a plane back from a corporate business engagement in Portland, OR. But have fun all!
I'll head out to Portland for you if you'd like to stay back and attend the event? I love Portland.
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I'm flirting with the idea. Reasonably priced flights in.
Sounds like there are a lot of speakers... will be interesting to see how lively & interesting they can keep it
Price no matta, hey?
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Price no matta, hey?
$$$ ain't no thang. You gone be there yo?
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Well, crap. I'm in. Told my buddy about it and he got carried away. No choice now but fly vs drive
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I'll head out to Portland for you if you'd like to stay back and attend the event? I love Portland.
Can you do my speech to a group of commercial bankers?
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Can you do my speech to a group of commercial bankers?
Might not be very good, but I can try if you let me spend a couple days out there in my own time! In fact I have a guy who works in commercial banking, maybe he can help me.
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Flying in Friday, sticking around til Sunday mid-afternoon... might stay with friends, but thinking about just getting a hotel. It looks like they have significantly discounted rooms at the Ambassador Hotel available... have never stayed there and when I was in school, it was a different era.. understand it's a lot nicer now. Anyone have thoughts on it?
Also.. looks like they may have a deal to get a discounted visit to the MU Rec Center... maybe alums get a discount regardless? I would like to stop in -- might work out a little -- but mostly just want to check it out after all these years.
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Flying in Friday, sticking around til Sunday mid-afternoon... might stay with friends, but thinking about just getting a hotel. It looks like they have significantly discounted rooms at the Ambassador Hotel available... have never stayed there and when I was in school, it was a different era.. understand it's a lot nicer now. Anyone have thoughts on it?
Also.. looks like they may have a deal to get a discounted visit to the MU Rec Center... maybe alums get a discount regardless? I would like to stop in -- might work out a little -- but mostly just want to check it out after all these years.
If you want to just walk around and see what the Rec Center looks like you should be able to stop at the office and explain you're an out of town alum in for the 100 year celebration and just want to check it out and I'm 99% sure they'll let you just walk around. Maybe even give you a guided tour. It's not much to see, though. Hopefully the new one will be.
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Ax four da Dahmer room, bro. Might hafta pay a bit more, butt as da song says, "ya can check out anyone time ya want, butt ya can never leave", ai na?
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Flying in Friday, sticking around til Sunday mid-afternoon... might stay with friends, but thinking about just getting a hotel. It looks like they have significantly discounted rooms at the Ambassador Hotel available... have never stayed there and when I was in school, it was a different era.. understand it's a lot nicer now. Anyone have thoughts on it?
Also.. looks like they may have a deal to get a discounted visit to the MU Rec Center... maybe alums get a discount regardless? I would like to stop in -- might work out a little -- but mostly just want to check it out after all these years.
Geez, how long has it been since you have visited campus?
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Geez, how long has it been since you have visited campus?
2 years, but it's been awhile since I had some free time to explore as much as I'd like...
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It looks like they have significantly discounted rooms at the Ambassador Hotel available... have never stayed there and when I was in school, it was a different era.. understand it's a lot nicer now. Anyone have thoughts on it?
It's nice. They refurbished the whole place. My wife and I stayed there for a weekend after I won a couple free nights at Marquette games. Rooms are clean and well kept, good service, all in all we were satisfied. Good brunch as well.
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Flying in Friday, sticking around til Sunday mid-afternoon... might stay with friends, but thinking about just getting a hotel. It looks like they have significantly discounted rooms at the Ambassador Hotel available... have never stayed there and when I was in school, it was a different era.. understand it's a lot nicer now. Anyone have thoughts on it?
Also.. looks like they may have a deal to get a discounted visit to the MU Rec Center... maybe alums get a discount regardless? I would like to stop in -- might work out a little -- but mostly just want to check it out after all these years.
It's a fine hotel. But do understand that it's 'old school'. So if you like classic you'll like it a lot. And it's owned by Marquette guys. They made a big time investment without the guarantee of success. Good for them and the neighborhood.
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Thanks, guys. I booked a King (w/a sofabed)... although it's probably just going to be me... but maybe a girl if there are any hotties at Real Chili after the Hoopla event.
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Thanks, guys. I booked a King (w/a sofabed)... although it's probably just going to be me... but maybe a girl if there are any hotties at Real Chili after the Hoopla event.
Are you gonna hook up w/Dunks and bring back some Sonoran salsa?????
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Mike Deane was just added as a panelist.
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Mike Deane was just added as a panelist.
After party at Turners.
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After party at Turners.
All is right with the world
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/864984942341742592
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Welcome home, CTC, ainner?
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Heads explode.....
Chicos swoops in and declares victory over Scoop
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Full refunds?
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Just add KO and every unemployed ex-coach will be on the dais.
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.... but maybe a girl if there are any hotties at Real Chili after the Hoopla event.
There is such a thing???????????
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Welcome home, CTC, ainner?
I'm busy dat evening, hey?
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Just add KO and every unemployed ex-coach will be on the dais.
Should I start a "Tom Crean Retrospective" thread?
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#Buzzwatch2017
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Wonder if Hologram Al will be there.
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How shall we indicate others we are Scoopers? We need a special patch.
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How shall we indicate others we are Scoopers? We need a special patch.
Just write "AL" on the front of your collar.
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How shall we indicate others we are Scoopers? We need a special patch.
The ankle monitor will give you away, kin.
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The ankle monitor will give you away, kin.
Bruh, after a decade+ you know the god make it unseen or jewelry to almost everyone.
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How shall we indicate others we are Scoopers? We need a special patch.
Jay Bee will be the one walking east on Juneau with the "plus one" he picked up at Art's Performing Center.
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Wonder if Hologram Al will be there.
Or Shaka
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Jay Bee will be the one walking east on Juneau with the "plus one" he picked up at Art's Performing Center.
What happened to his mail order bride from Havana?
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What happened to his mail order bride from Havana?
She read his Scoop posts.
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Or Shaka
#donedeal
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Here's hoping Crean arrives on an ATV in full karate gear.
Also maybe a good opportunity for him to make good on his pledge to help fund the soccer field.
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Here's hoping Crean arrives on an ATV in full karate gear.
Also maybe a good opportunity for him to make good on his pledge to help fund the soccer field.
Except that he's probably living paycheck to paycheck now that he's unemployed.... ;)
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Woodn't go 'cross da street to see da mofo, hey?
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#donedeal
U going to get guru upset
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https://muconnect.marquette.edu/centennialhoopla?srctid=1&erid=20122622&trid=5b6049ea-f035-477b-b18a-ecfdce8f5b8a
Tom Copa. Nice guy back in college. Crean showing up is the unintended consequence of IU showing him the door. Time to act like adults and not internet tough guys, be gracious, and thank him for his time at MU.
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mubb confirmed BBQ will be back next year
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Crean showing up is the unintended consequence of IU showing him the door. Time to act like adults and not internet tough guys, be gracious, and thank him for his time at MU.
I commend you on your maturity but I thought the guy was a phony prick when he was our coach and nothing that's happened since has changed my mind. So my "thank you for the FF, etc.," will always be tempered by that.
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I commend you on your maturity but I thought the guy was a phony prick when he was our coach and nothing that's happened since has changed my mind. So my "thank you for the FF, etc.," will always be tempered by that.
But he's responsible for 8 postseason appearances and half of the best era since Al. He may be a prick, by all account Williams Deane and O'Neil weren't exactly balls of sunshine either. But its a centennial celebration and like it or not he's the one of the 4 coaches left who've been instrumental in making MU what it is today.
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But he's responsible for 8 postseason appearances and half of the best era since Al. He may be a prick, by all account Williams Deane and O'Neil weren't exactly balls of sunshine either. But its a centennial celebration and like it or not he's the one of the 4 coaches left who've been instrumental in making MU what it is today.
It doesn't matter whether he is a phony prick or not. It has been long enough. Bygones. It is time for us to start acting like gracious, mature adults who can move on and welcome him back and thank him for his accomplishments.
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It doesn't matter whether he is a phony prick or not. It has been long enough. Bygones. It is time for us to start acting like gracious, mature adults who can move on and welcome him back and thank him for his accomplishments.
Isn't that kinda what I said? Or did you mean to quote Lenny's?
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+1 to Boxer and Tower.
The guy brought us one of the best players in MU history and took us to a Final Four. He is entitled to appropriate recognition for that.
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Isn't that kinda what I said? Or did you mean to quote Lenny's?
I meant to quote Lenny. Mea Culpa.
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+1 to Boxer and Tower.
The guy brought us one of the best players in MU history and took us to a Final Four. He is entitled to appropriate recognition for that.
Got handsomely paid, hey?
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It doesn't matter whether he is a phony prick or not. It has been long enough. Bygones. It is time for us to start acting like gracious, mature adults who can move on and welcome him back and thank him for his accomplishments.
You expect this from scoopers? Aiming high, hey?
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Dream big.
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#mubb @WessyWes23 joining @jerel_mcneal & @stevenovak16 on #mubb Hoopla 2000s era panel. Register now! @dallasmavs go.mu.edu/Hoopla
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He got the furthest as a head coach in the NCAA tourney at Marquette. I say we welcome hm back so he knows the pricks aren't at Marquette.
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He got the furthest as a head coach in the NCAA tourney at Marquette. I say we welcome hm back so he knows the pricks aren't at Marquette.
+100
I get some scoopers are basically 5 year-olds at heart, but holding a grudge isn't healthy. Also, maybe be thankful for what he did for MU then be a pissy brat that can't comprehend the fact that Crean doesn't owe any of us sh!t. When we all die, wouldn't we rather all be able to say we did what made us happy in life? He did what made him happy.
Now was I happy about it at the time? No. Would I have wanted him to stay and not be a punk on his way out? Yes.
But eventually you learn to get over the one that got away, and ride with the horse you've got.
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Crean did more for Marquette than Chones, anyal?
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I don't have a problem that Crean did his job and earned his money. I was hoping for a change for 2 years before he snuck out on us. I just wish he had been a man about it.
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Augie Man, snakeoil sales dudes never become men, hey?
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Augie Man, snakeoil sales dudes never become men, hey?
true that.
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As per mubb O'neill will attend
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/869911499439001601
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Crean did more for Marquette than Chones, anyal?
And he got paid a lot more for leaving.
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As per mubb O'neill will attend
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/869911499439001601
I'm almost tempted to go to this. Any chance one of the attendees could film it or they'll put it on MU's YouTube channel?
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I'm almost tempted to go to this. Any chance one of the attendees could film it or they'll put it on MU's YouTube channel?
Just go. It's a little expensive, but it's open bar, so I am sure you can get your money's worth if you really try. ;)
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Just go. It's a little expensive, but it's open bar, so I am sure you can get your money's worth if you really try. ;)
Oh word? I was curious about that. Do you know what we're having for dinner and how long they expect it to last? Hopefully a hoop is up so I can challenge M2N to an NBA trey shooting contest
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Oh word? I was curious about that. Do you know what we're having for dinner and how long they expect it to last? Hopefully a hoop is up so I can challenge M2N to an NBA trey shooting contest
Pretty sure. The events at that price point usually are. And they usually say "cash bar" if it is.
I don't know if the hoops will be up. Even if they are, the table setup will make it a little tough for you to hit attempt treys without having the ball land in KO's entree.
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MU reporting that 600+ are registered already. Hope the "free" beer chick promised isn't a lie!
Besides glow, chick, & my party of 3, who else is in?
I challenge anyone to an NBA-range 3-point shooting contest at the Rec Center on Saturday. $$$
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the bride and I will be attending with 2 other couples..., I don't anticipate an open bar unless it's a single location manned by a solitary bartender with a line into the parking lot. More likely beer and wine.
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I'm in, with another basketball buddy.
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MU reporting that 600+ are registered already. Hope the "free" beer chick promised isn't a lie!
Besides glow, chick, & my party of 3, who else is in?
I challenge anyone to an NBA-range 3-point shooting contest at the Rec Center on Saturday. $$$
This is not a beer crowd, Airbnb-na? And if have to ask, you've probably have never been in the end zone.
Well, maybe you have...
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This is not a beer crowd, Airbnb-na? And if have to ask, you've probably have never been in the end zone.
Well, maybe you have...
They are charging about the same as what they do for the Blue and Gold auction, and that always has a full open bar.
But then again, they may have wanted us to get liquored up so that we would bid more...
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But then again, they may have wanted us to get liquored up so that we would bid more...
Bingo! 10W30 to open up the wallets. Wine and cocktails for the pros.
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Butch & Miller confirmed
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/871914907733819394
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http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/06/21/q-a-tom-crean-ahead-his-return-mus-hoopla-celebration/412296001/
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http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/06/21/q-a-tom-crean-ahead-his-return-mus-hoopla-celebration/412296001/
Taken 4ever too long
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Man, some of us gotta work for a livin' and can't bee fookin' 'round a keeboard all dey, ya no? Here's da translation from T-Cubed. "I'll take any gig offered and wood reely like Wojo's job", ai na?
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Will be streamed via facebook live
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/877917507339902976
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Will be streamed via facebook live
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/877917507339902976
WTh! I need a price reduction. Open bar finna get wrecked. Ainnna?
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So what's the plan for scoopers in attendance? Wear a red rose? Write your user name on your name tag? After party at Turners ala Mike Deane?
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So what's the plan for scoopers in attendance? Wear a red rose? Write your user name on your name tag? After party at Turners ala Mike Deane?
What are you wearing? (Nh)
I may roll in Fully Quetted in warmups
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What are you wearing? (Nh)
I may roll in Fully Quetted in warmups
Wheel find ya in da crowd, hey?
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I'd be happy to both write my username and go to Turner's.
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Let's just say that if you can't figure out who I am, you aren't trying very hard.
Especially if you go out of your way to cyberstalk me like Jay Bee did.
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ZFB you can spot from the bulge in his pants (all around - it's his diaper) and/or helmet.
If there are writing utensils around, I will scribble "Scoop" on my name tag. Otherwise, look for a guy with heavy beer stains down his shirt.
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So which of you bums is at DFW waiting for the 9 o clock to Milwaukee? Seeing a few blue and gold shirts
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So which of you bums is at DFW waiting for the 9 o clock to Milwaukee? Seeing a few blue and gold shirts
Belllow "scoooop" & see if anyone bites. That's my plan tomorrow night
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So which of you bums is at DFW waiting for the 9 o clock to Milwaukee? Seeing a few blue and gold shirts
Walk up and ask, you wuss.
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Walk up and ask, you wuss.
No time. It's a three hour drive from TAMU. Had to stuff my face quick before boarding
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Walk up and ask, you wuss.
Classic TAMU, he just doesn't get it
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Classic TAMU, he just doesn't get it
Are those #21 T-wolves jerseys available online yet?
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Are those #21 T-wolves jerseys available online yet?
I don't think they have any t shirt jerseys yet since they haven't revealed uniforms. I didn't see any one the website.
Took me ages to get the Crowder one...
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Are those #21 T-wolves jerseys available online yet?
I feel like an ahole for not rockin a combo Wolves / MU jersey. But I may go with a lightweight warmup pairing
You'll be in a dress, I presume?
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So, duz Bilas fly commercial or private ta MKE, hey?
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So, duz Bilas fly commercial or private ta MKE, hey?
I'm sure there's a morning SWA flight. That is unless Wojo sends the jet for him.
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I feel like an ahole for not rockin a combo Wolves / MU jersey. But I may go with a lightweight warmup pairing
You'll be in a dress, I presume?
You won't be, I presume?
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You won't be, I presume?
Up in the air for now
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Damn I wish I was going. But I'll be in the United room high above the fruited plain scorching my way back to God's Country -- the Midwest!
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I'm sure there's a morning SWA flight. That is unless Wojo sends the jet for him.
Yeah, he'll enjoy puttin' dat 6'8" bod in badly pitched, 3 across seats after waitin' in Group C, ai na?
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JB drink all the Busch taps yet? Live updates please!
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JB drink all the Busch taps yet? Live updates please!
I may be the only person in full MU gear
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I may be the only person in full MU gear
Been to Real Chili yet?
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I may be the only person in full MU gear
Wear them proud!
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I am in my 77 shirt
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Watched on Facebook and looked like a 1st class event. Missed a few when the feed went down, but best comments IMHO were from Tony Smith, Wessy Wes, and Bo Ellis.
Also missed the coach's entrances -- please tell me they didn't boo Mike Deane.
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Watched on Facebook and looked like a 1st class event. Missed a few when the feed went down, but best comments IMHO were from Tony Smith, Wessy Wes, and Bo Ellis.
Also missed the coach's entrances -- please tell me they didn't boo Mike Deane.
I attended and I can honestly say that it was top notch. Pure class.
You walked out feeling proud.
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No booing. Everyone was very well behaved.
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Great event, glad I pulled the trigger last minute. Bilas was great and the coaches at the end were the highlight for me (though it was all well done). Good to see so many past, present, and maybe even future players in attendance.
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KO was hilarious.
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KO was hilarious.
Yep. Jay and the coaches were really ripping on Wojo. It was like a roast.
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Very well done
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Ain't no free BBQ doe, ai'na?
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So I heard KO took friendly banter and made it awkward at wojo?
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Did they serve chili?
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So I heard KO took friendly banter and made it awkward at wojo?
Nah. Wojo did, however, remind KO that it was a PG rated event.
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Bilas roasted Wojo for being short. Wojo came out on his knees.
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Yep. Jay and the coaches were really ripping on Wojo. It was like a roast.
Can't be too hard. They can get all their material right here on Scoop.
Was Ners abd Chicos at the event?
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KO had the best line of the night. When Wojo said he had been recruited by both Deane and KO, Kevin interrupted 'That was just a mass mailing!' Hilarious.
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KO had the best line of the night. When Wojo said he had been recruited by both Deane and KO, Kevin interrupted 'That was just a mass mailing!' Hilarious.
Woj had a pretty quick comeback too. He lets that humor out every now and again, needs to let it fly more often.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiNLcIw4xOs&list=PLzqRtxGmacTcJphoB-H6-a7USOtlUJKMK
Looks like a number of videos have been posted.
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There were some good photos posted on Instagram. Looked like an excellent event. Too bad I don't live closer.
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Mike Deane: "KO thinks 'mother' is half a word."
Wojo, on KO recruiting him: "And then my mom said you're never playing for that (mumbled mfr)"
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Y'all oughta post some of da Buzz chit, hey?
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There was an empty chair. Buzz's picture popped up in the background occasionally. Crean kept prodding KO to tell some of the legendary stories, like after getting heckled at a McDonald's in Mequon, taking his kid out to the car, locking him in the car, and then going back inside to verbally retaliate against the hecklers. Like kicking Father Kelley off of the bus in Evansville so that he could have an uncensored discussion with his team. Deane talked about recruiting Wojo at Siena and hoping he would sprain his ankle at 5 star camp so that the big guys would back off.
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Speaking of which, was Brent invited and took a pass, or was Brent not invited?
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Just finished watching it and say what you want about Crean, but that guy really cared about his players and it showed.
When he was asked about coaching Wade, he mentioned all these nobody players I never heard of and seemed to really appreciate them. Dude took a promotion, still don't understand why people hate him for it so much.
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Speaking of which, was Brent invited and took a pass, or was Brent not invited?
Declined the invite.
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Declined the invite.
Would've taken it had it got him a promotion or more power in VT's athletic department. Probably too busy doing a CBS Sports feature on teaching his players how to shake hands and tie a tie or something.
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Maybe. Or he is recruiting. I would speculate that the wound is still too raw and that he isn't ready to act humble or proud. Maybe there are still people he is not ready to make peace with yet. His loss.
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Maybe. Or he is recruiting. I would speculate that the wound is still too raw and that he isn't ready to act humble or proud. Maybe there are still people he is not ready to make peace with yet. His loss.
I don't think anyone was even remotely bothered that he wasn't there. Crean only mentioned him once and it was just his name, not even a story. Hell that Swedish player got more air time.
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Dude took a promotion, still don't understand why people hate him for it so much.
Uh oh.
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Just finished watching it and say what you want about Crean, but that guy really cared about his players and it showed.
When he was asked about coaching Wade, he mentioned all these nobody players I never heard of and seemed to really appreciate them. Dude took a promotion, still don't understand why people hate him for it so much.
To me it was the way he left
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I would speculate that the wound is still too raw and that he isn't ready to act humble or proud. Maybe there are still people he is not ready to make peace with yet.
While Buzz seems to do great with individual relationships, I think he struggles with institutional ones. He went scorched earth with his departures from both UNO and Marquette. Does anyone know how he left things with the Buzz's Bunch kids here? Does he keep in touch or follow up?
I didn't expect Buzz so his lack of his involvement wasn't surprising. If last night revealed anything about an old coach, it was Tom Crean's class. He made full amends for any previous missteps. I think most everyone except 4ever is over his departure, but last night he showed how important Marquette was and still is to him.
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Biggest laugh: Mike Deane to KO "Well, Kevin thinks Mother is half a word."
Biggest Ovation: Wesley Matthews in response to Bilas asking why he didn't go to Wisconsin "Uh....I didn't like the Badgers."
Best story: Jim Chones talking about Al walking into his house and telling his dad "Nice pad J"
Overall, great event. Thought it was very well done. Wish we could have seen more of the recent players there, but I imagine they have commitments this time of year.
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Thanks for the Brent info gentlemen. I'll be honest I didn't think of it one time last night. Didn't dawn on me 'til about 9 or 10 o' clock this morning that he wasn't there.
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If last night revealed anything about an old coach, it was Tom Crean's class. He made full amends for any previous missteps. I think most everyone except 4ever is over his departure, but last night he showed how important Marquette was and still is to him.
Did any of you who attended think that there was a twinge of regret in Crean's words? The folks at my table seemed to think so.
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Did any of you who attended think that there was a twinge of regret in Crean's words? The folks at my table seemed to think so.
Absolutely. Listening to his story about Izzo telling Crean he had the best job I the country, I thought if Tom could do it all over again, he'd still be our coach.
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Absolutely. Listening to his story about Izzo telling Crean he had the best job I the country, I thought if Tom could do it all over again, he'd still be our coach.
That's what I thought (assuming that he kept the program successful and MU didn't kick him to the curb).
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Maybe. Or he is recruiting. I would speculate that the wound is still too raw and that he isn't ready to act humble or proud. Maybe there are still people he is not ready to make peace with yet. His loss.
Not a recruiting period right now. He's just a weasel.
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It's similar to Holtman leaving for OSU. He'll regret that move. Why assume all that pressure when you can make championship games at a basketball only school? I don't understand that.
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Absolutely. Listening to his story about Izzo telling Crean he had the best job I the country, I thought if Tom could do it all over again, he'd still be our coach.
I heard some regret in his voice. Now one must remember that Indiana just fired him. That'll always leave a bad taste. One thing is for sure though. I think TC really does reflect fondly on his 9 years here. I wouldn't be surprised that in the course of the last 24 hours he reminded Wojo that MU was a great gig and to appreciate it. I think we all know that Wojo already believes that but it's nice to hear it from others too.
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Absolutely. Listening to his story about Izzo telling Crean he had the best job I the country, I thought if Tom could do it all over again, he'd still be our coach.
Lucky us.
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When Crean was gushing Marquette, my buddy leaned over & ax'D a valid Q... "why'd you leave, then?"
Thought Crean did well, but not gonna leap to conclusions of true regret
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It's similar to Holtman leaving for OSU. He'll regret that move. Why assume all that pressure when you can make championship games at a basketball only school? I don't understand that.
Well Holtman just had his salary tripled and got an 8 year contract so even if he does fail there he still probably made the right decision.
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When Crean was gushing Marquette, my buddy leaned over & ax'D a valid Q... "why'd you leave, then?"
Thought Crean did well, but not gonna leap to conclusions of true regret
This is likely accurate. And as Glow said, he is collecting fresh unemployment benefits.
I found it a tad odd that TC was prompting KO to tell KO stories--like he didn't have any of his own material....
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Y'all believe in Santa Claus too, hey? Or have you convinced yourself that the MU job and our fantastic fanbase is simply superior and unmatched anywhere else? Y'all are delusional if you believe Tommy Crean regrets for a nanosecond his decision to leave or has buyer's remorse. He's quite the snake oil salesman if you're gullible enough to believe he give two chits 'bout Marquette too, hey?
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Y'all believe in Santa Claus too, hey? Or have you convinced yourself that the MU job and our fantastic fanbase is simply superior and unmatched anywhere else? Y'all are delusional if you believe Tommy Crean regrets for a nanosecond his decision to leave or has buyer's remorse. He's quite the snake oil salesman if you're gullible enough to believe he give two chits 'bout Marquette too, hey?
He enjoyed his years here. He did a good job with the program. He handled himself very well last night. Life is too short to be bitter.
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Y'all believe in Santa Claus too, hey? Or have you convinced yourself that the MU job and our fantastic fanbase is simply superior and unmatched anywhere else? Y'all are delusional if you believe Tommy Crean regrets for a nanosecond his decision to leave or has buyer's remorse. He's quite the snake oil salesman if you're gullible enough to believe he give two chits 'bout Marquette too, hey?
Get over it 4never...without TC there is no Big East, there is no Al McGuire center and there is no Dwade, and no Final Four in 2003. He must have pissed in your cheerios or something, or personally shunned you at some point that you continue to be so bitter to this day. Or maybe you talked to him once like you do on this board with your Shtick, unless you don't know how to talk properly..and he thought "who is this moron that talks in slang"?? Whatever your deal with him is..get the hell over it.
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Get over it 4never...without TC there is no Big East, there is no Al McGuire center and there is no Dwade, and no Final Four in 2003. He must have pissed in your cheerios or something, or personally shunned you at some point that you continue to be so bitter to this day. Or maybe you talked to him once like you do on this board with your Shtick, unless you don't know how to talk properly..and he thought "who is this moron that talks in slang"?? Whatever your deal with him is..get the hell over it.
That is the most overplayed myth on this board. Sure, if you replace Tom Crean with nobody and the program just ceases to exist none of those things happen. But the administration made a commitment to the basketball program and chances are if not Tom Crean, there would've been another candidate that would've had every opportunity to succeed at Marquette.
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Get over it 4never...without TC there is no Big East, there is no Al McGuire center and there is no Dwade, and no Final Four in 2003. He must have pissed in your cheerios or something, or personally shunned you at some point that you continue to be so bitter to this day. Or maybe you talked to him once like you do on this board with your Shtick, unless you don't know how to talk properly..and he thought "who is this moron that talks in slang"?? Whatever your deal with him is..get the hell over it.
This. 4never has a personal issue. Maybe TC did not want his teeth cleaned by him.
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That is the most overplayed myth on this board. Sure, if you replace Tom Crean with nobody and the program just ceases to exist none of those things happen. But the administration made a commitment to the basketball program and chances are if not Tom Crean, there would've been another candidate that would've had every opportunity to succeed at Marquette.
Yep. We'd have hired Quin Snyder, who was hired a week later at Missouri. Snyder had every opportunity to succeed at Missouri, but never finished better than 5th in the Big 12, and quit in the middle of his seventh season to avoid being fired.
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Get over it 4never...without TC there is no Big East, there is no Al McGuire center and there is no Dwade, and no Final Four in 2003. He must have pissed in your cheerios or something, or personally shunned you at some point that you continue to be so bitter to this day. Or maybe you talked to him once like you do on this board with your Shtick, unless you don't know how to talk properly..and he thought "who is this moron that talks in slang"?? Whatever your deal with him is..get the hell over it.
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Get over it 4never...without TC there is no Big East, there is no Al McGuire center and there is no Dwade, and no Final Four in 2003. He must have pissed in your cheerios or something, or personally shunned you at some point that you continue to be so bitter to this day. Or maybe you talked to him once like you do on this board with your Shtick, unless you don't know how to talk properly..and he thought "who is this moron that talks in slang"?? Whatever your deal with him is..get the hell over it.
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As someone who is as neutral as it comes with Crean (aka didn't give a sh!t about marquette basketball until I went there)
Just based on his demeanor last night, you could really care he loves the program and time he spent there. You can't fake what he did last night. He left 9 years ago, get the hell over it.
Y'all sound like millenals, and I know that's the worst thing to be compared to for a lot of you.
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Chi, I don't think you can understand.
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I heard some regret in his voice. Now one must remember that Indiana just fired him. That'll always leave a bad taste. One thing is for sure though. I think TC really does reflect fondly on his 9 years here. I wouldn't be surprised that in the course of the last 24 hours he reminded Wojo that MU was a great gig and to appreciate it. I think we all know that Wojo already believes that but it's nice to hear it from others too.
Dnt think wojo goes anywhere but Duke
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Get over it 4never...without TC there is no Big East, there is no Al McGuire center and there is no Dwade, and no Final Four in 2003. He must have pissed in your cheerios or something, or personally shunned you at some point that you continue to be so bitter to this day. Or maybe you talked to him once like you do on this board with your Shtick, unless you don't know how to talk properly..and he thought "who is this moron that talks in slang"?? Whatever your deal with him is..get the hell over it.
Guru disagree with u 1000% on crean and the BE. Final 4, wade sure crean clearly deserves credit, but the BE?! No. MU fit all the criteria the BE was looking for eveb before Crean. Al deserves credit, not Crean. Hell Depaul got in!
Doesnt deserve credit on the Al, either that was getting built regardless
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Chi, I don't think you can understand.
+1.
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Get over it 4never...without TC there is no Big East, there is no Al McGuire center and there is no Dwade, and no Final Four in 2003. He must have pissed in your cheerios or something, or personally shunned you at some point that you continue to be so bitter to this day. Or maybe you talked to him once like you do on this board with your Shtick, unless you don't know how to talk properly..and he thought "who is this moron that talks in slang"?? Whatever your deal with him is..get the hell over it.
Your finest post ever. Crean was the right guy at the right time. Sure, he caught some lightning in a bottle, but the program and the university benefited mightily from that jar of electricity.
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Dnt think wojo goes anywhere but Duke
And Crean wasn't leaving for anywhere but MSU when Izzo left.......and the only place Buzz was going was Texas.
One MU coach will figure out that Marquette is the destination job--not sure if it's Wojo, but I think it just might be. They way he embraces the history is impressive, but it's easier ultimately to recruit at Duke--since they offer and recruit very little.
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Your finest post ever. Crean was the right guy at the right time. Sure, he caught some lightning in a bottle, but the program and the university benefited mightily from that jar of electricity.
Caught? He created it. Other than a game against Bucky, when was the last time we had sold out the BC before Crean?
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Yep. We'd have hired Quin Snyder, who was hired a week later at Missouri. Snyder had every opportunity to succeed at Missouri, but never finished better than 5th in the Big 12, and quit in the middle of his seventh season to avoid being fired.
Which means absolutely nothing towards how he might have done at Marquette had he become Marquette's coach instead of Tom Crean.
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That is the most overplayed myth on this board. Sure, if you replace Tom Crean with nobody and the program just ceases to exist none of those things happen. But the administration made a commitment to the basketball program and chances are if not Tom Crean, there would've been another candidate that would've had every opportunity to succeed at Marquette.
I don't think people think Crean was the only one who could have gotten us into the Big East and back to a Final Four. I think people just recognize that while another candidate could have theoretically done it (or possibly done even better), Crean was the one who actually did it and deserves some of the credit. I mean, we could have hired someone different than Al who could have theoretically done as well or even better than Al did.
I enjoyed Crean's remarks at the hoopla. I thought he most clearly articulated what the Marquette program means to him and why it is so unique from others. KO and Deane stole the show but Crean was thoughtful and a great addition to the panel. Though I forgot how much funnier Crean faces are in person.
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They way he embraces the history is impressive, but it's easier ultimately to recruit at Duke--since they offer and recruit very little.
Excuse me? If Duke wants someone, chances are North Carolina wants him too, as does Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Syracuse, Texas and a host of other name schools.
The message of Tom Crean seems to be don't think the grass is greener "over there." The college basketball landscape is littered with coaches who followed a legend and never could live up to the legend. Or coaches who thought they had reached the palace of college basketball only to find that the fanbase of that team didn't realize the palace was a run-down shell of its former self.
I don't doubt Tom Crean had a great time at Indiana. He got close but Indiana was one of those run-down palaces. No doubt Crean had some recruiting frustrations at MU but, as he found later, recruiting is a challenge no matter where you go.
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ND sucks.
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Marquette has been the high water mark of all the coaches back to Al, with the exception of Rick (and Rick at certain times in his career, wanted to return). Buzz may eventually beat his MU time, but the jury is still out. The history of the program is formidable. We ain't no steppin' stone, ai-na?
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Excuse me? If Duke wants someone, chances are North Carolina wants him too, as does Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Syracuse, Texas and a host of other name schools.
The message of Tom Crean seems to be don't think the grass is greener "over there." The college basketball landscape is littered with coaches who followed a legend and never could live up to the legend. Or coaches who thought they had reached the palace of college basketball only to find that the fanbase of that team didn't realize the palace was a run-down shell of its former self.
I don't doubt Tom Crean had a great time at Indiana. He got close but Indiana was one of those run-down palaces. No doubt Crean had some recruiting frustrations at MU but, as he found later, recruiting is a challenge no matter where you go.
I guess I wasn't clear. It is much much much easier to recruit at Duke than at MU. MU could be on a recruit for 3 years, his brother could be on the team, and Duke could come in at the 11th hour and swoop that player up with little to no involvement or effort.
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And Crean wasn't leaving for anywhere but MSU when Izzo left.......and the only place Buzz was going was Texas.
One MU coach will figure out that Marquette is the destination job--not sure if it's Wojo, but I think it just might be. They way he embraces the history is impressive, but it's easier ultimately to recruit at Duke--since they offer and recruit very little.
That is exactly what a lot of folks think. Let's see how easy it is to recruit at Duke once Coach K retires. That notion did not help Crean at Indiana nor the myriad coaches that followed Wooden at UCLA. I hope you are right about Wojo; perhaps he can be our Mark Few only more successful.
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One of the more interesting comments while watching the player interviews was the one made by Bo Ellis. It was the "players" that recruited him" Al was just the icing. It sounded like they were pretty active in that effort as well. Are there any rules today that prevent current players from contacting recruits? Sure, the coaches build that relationship but it sounded like back in Al's day the players were involved too. How true is that today?
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And Crean wasn't leaving for anywhere but MSU when Izzo left.......and the only place Buzz was going was Texas.
One MU coach will figure out that Marquette is the destination job--not sure if it's Wojo, but I think it just might be. They way he embraces the history is impressive, but it's easier ultimately to recruit at Duke--since they offer and recruit very little.
I never said that
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I guess I wasn't clear. It is much much much easier to recruit at Duke than at MU. MU could be on a recruit for 3 years, his brother could be on the team, and Duke could come in at the 11th hour and swoop that player up with little to no involvement or effort.
Not sure I buy that.
If you're arguing that Joey Hauser would drop everything and go to Duke if only Coach K called, not sure I buy that either. He's been pretty focused on us and two lesser schools. Yeah, it is flattering when a Coach K, Roy Williams or John Calipari calls (won't get into Slick Rick because his calls involve something else), but there are many intangibles that enter into a 17-year-old's thought process when selecting a school to play college basketball.
I suppose a recruit would have to listen if Coach K called, but Coach K doesn't get his "choice" of recruits. I'm sure Wojo would agree.
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One of the more interesting comments while watching the player interviews was the one made by Bo Ellis. It was the "players" that recruited him" Al was just the icing. It sounded like they were pretty active in that effort as well. Are there any rules today that prevent current players from contacting recruits? Sure, the coaches build that relationship but it sounded like back in Al's day the players were involved too. How true is that today?
I remember Duane being really good at that. He was always talking to recruits on twitter and I'm sure he would call them as well.
Same with Noskowiak, never played for us obviously but I remember him always reaching out to potential recruits.
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That is exactly what a lot of folks think. Let's see how easy it is to recruit at Duke once Coach K retires. That notion did not help Crean at Indiana nor the myriad coaches that followed Wooden at UCLA. I hope you are right about Wojo; perhaps he can be our Mark Few only more successful.
And let's remember that the supposed 'easier to recruit' notion is absolutely coupled with the 'must win national championships' expectation that comes with it.
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Absolutely. Listening to his story about Izzo telling Crean he had the best job I the country, I thought if Tom could do it all over again, he'd still be our coach.
What was the story?
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What was the story?
That was essentially the story. Izzo told Crean. Crean implied that maybe he shoulda listened.
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And let's remember that the supposed 'easier to recruit' notion is absolutely coupled with the 'must win national championships' expectation that comes with it.
...and getting into the NBA.
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Really? People are so naive.
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Really? People are so naive.
Well 4never. Several of us were there and heard what he said. No one is suggesting that he was saying that he'd necessarily do things differently. What we all heard was that he has a soft spot for MU and probably didn't appreciate it enough while he was here. Live and learn.
You're the only one who sees him as a calculated liar. That's singularly on you. Sorry you're so bitter.
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I think what really impressed me the most is how successful all the returning players have become "after basketball". KO touched on that during the coaches interview regarding his players.
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I think what really impressed me the most is how successful all the returning players have become "after basketball". KO touched on that during the coaches interview regarding his players.
Yep. And Mike Deane said that Aaron Hutchins has one class left, and when he completes that, 100% of his players will have graduated.
Come on Aaron, get on the stick! I bet it's not too late to register for 2nd session of summer semester!
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Well 4never. Several of us were there and heard what he said. No one is suggesting that he was saying that he'd necessarily do things differently. What we all heard was that he has a soft spot for MU and probably didn't appreciate it enough while he was here. Live and learn.
You're the only one who sees him as a calculated liar. That's singularly on you. Sorry you're so bitter.
I heard what he said, also. I'm a pretty good judge of a person's fabric and character. But, I highly doubt that I'm "the only one who sees him as a calculated liar." He is, however, a master at self-promotion, drama, and hyperbole. Credit is hereby given for fooling most of the people, most of the time.
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Not sure I buy that.
If you're arguing that Joey Hauser would drop everything and go to Duke if only Coach K called, not sure I buy that either. He's been pretty focused on us and two lesser schools. Yeah, it is flattering when a Coach K, Roy Williams or John Calipari calls (won't get into Slick Rick because his calls involve something else), but there are many intangibles that enter into a 17-year-old's thought process when selecting a school to play college basketball.
I suppose a recruit would have to listen if Coach K called, but Coach K doesn't get his "choice" of recruits. I'm sure Wojo would agree.
Coach K and Coach Cal get several top 20 players every year. Every year. These recruits are their "choices" and they get them--not every one but a great majority.
I sure hope the blue bloods don't come knocking on JHs door, cuz I don't know what he'll do.
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That is exactly what a lot of folks think. Let's see how easy it is to recruit at Duke once Coach K retires. That notion did not help Crean at Indiana nor the myriad coaches that followed Wooden at UCLA. I hope you are right about Wojo; perhaps he can be our Mark Few only more successful.
Recruiting was not TCs problem at IU--he's the same coach he was here.
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When Crean was gushing Marquette, my buddy leaned over & ax'D a valid Q... "why'd you leave, then?"
Thought Crean did well, but not gonna leap to conclusions of true regret
Because people make decisions, sometimes they regret. O'Neill has said he made a mistake leaving. People cheat on their spouses, move to a city they later regret, sold that stock when they shouldn't have, etc.
We are human beings and we cannot see the future.
That is why.
What troubles me with some comments in this thread are the lack of forgiving principles by MU and Catholic educates alumni, and the lack of acceptance of redemption by people. Folks can change, they can admit the error of their ways, yet we too often seem unwilling to accept this happens in life on a daily basis.
Crean was a huge jerk at MU. So was Kevin O'Neill. Some say Rick was. As they got older, matured, lived life, had failures, did they become better people? Are they allowed to acknowledge regrets?
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That is exactly what a lot of folks think. Let's see how easy it is to recruit at Duke once Coach K retires. That notion did not help Crean at Indiana nor the myriad coaches that followed Wooden at UCLA. I hope you are right about Wojo; perhaps he can be our Mark Few only more successful.
Bull.
TC signed five 5-star recruits at IU: Zeller, Ferrell, Vonleh, Blackmon, Bryant. That's exactly five more than he signed at MU in the same amount of time.
He recruited fine with the IU name. He just didn't get the expected performance out of the kids he got to campus.
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Recruiting was not TCs problem at IU--he's the same coach he was here.
He was BIg Ten COach of the year last year and 3rd nationally. His problem was roster management, especially when injuries came into the equation. They were 14th in nation last year, beat KU and UNC, but when they lost key players they could not adjust.
He should stay in TV, he is good at it. Don't be shocked if that is how it shakes out ultimately and has a long career doing it.
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Guru disagree with u 1000% on crean and the BE. Final 4, wade sure crean clearly deserves credit, but the BE?! No. MU fit all the criteria the BE was looking for eveb before Crean. Al deserves credit, not Crean. Hell Depaul got in!
Doesnt deserve credit on the Al, either that was getting built regardless
You ignore Commissioner Tranghese's comments about MU and the BE, and Crean's influence of MU landing there. Timing is everything, Final Four was critical, commitment critical, no Crean equals no Wade, no Wade = no Final Four.
For whatever odd reason this grates some people. Be happy stars aligned, or recruits fell into one's lap if that makes others feel better through disparagement, end of the day those events happened and MU benefitted from it.
Is that not enough for all of us to be happy where we are? MU would likely be in this version of the BE after the breakup a few years ago, that was not necessarily a slam dunk case when we actually joined with what we had done the previous two decades (not much). Read Tranghese's comments.
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Recruiting was not TCs problem at IU--he's the same coach he was here.
I guess were conflating the school with the coach as I don't disagree with you. It's not Duke or Kentucky that can get any recruit they want it is coach K or Cal that gets the recruit.
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I heard what he said, also. I'm a pretty good judge of a person's fabric and character. But, I highly doubt that I'm "the only one who sees him as a calculated liar." He is, however, a master at self-promotion, drama, and hyperbole. Credit is hereby given for fooling most of the people, most of the time.
I should have included the word 'here'. No reason to fight further. Just wanted to clarify what I had meant to say. :)
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He was BIg Ten COach of the year last year and 3rd nationally. His problem was roster management, especially when injuries came into the equation. They were 14th in nation last year, beat KU and UNC, but when they lost key players they could not adjust.
He should stay in TV, he is good at it. Don't be shocked if that is how it shakes out ultimately and has a long career doing it.
If IU beat KU and UNC before injures "last year," then Tom Crean was not B1G COY "last year." Those things didn't happen in the same year.
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Because people make decisions, sometimes they regret. O'Neill has said he made a mistake leaving. People cheat on their spouses, move to a city they later regret, sold that stock when they shouldn't have, etc.
We are human beings and we cannot see the future.
That is why.
What troubles me with some comments in this thread are the lack of forgiving principles by MU and Catholic educates alumni, and the lack of acceptance of redemption by people. Folks can change, they can admit the error of their ways, yet we too often seem unwilling to accept this happens in life on a daily basis.
Crean was a huge jerk at MU. So was Kevin O'Neill. Some say Rick was. As they got older, matured, lived life, had failures, did they become better people? Are they allowed to acknowledge regrets?
Some people do. Other people claim to have a life changing loss that completely changes their outlook on life, come back to an online forum they've been blocked from many times, claim they're not trying to nor interested in coming back to MUScoop but rather just want to apologize for his previous actions because life is too short to spend on MUScoop, promise to never return again, and then once Tom Crean is fired a few months later come running back to defend his every move. Maybe the lesson wasn't learned.
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If IU beat KU and UNC before injures "last year," then Tom Crean was not B1G COY "last year." Those things didn't happen in the same year.
Last year meaning 2016, of I recall, but this past season (2016-2017 season). He was Big Ten coach of the year and three finalists for national coach of the year in 2016, also happened last year, but reflective of the 2015-16 season.
Both happened last year but represent different seasons. The act of winning COY and the act of beating UNC and KU both happened in 2016, some would say that is last year. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused. 2016 feels like last year to me. Others may differ on that interpretation.
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Some people do. Other people claim to have a life changing loss that completely changes their outlook on life, come back to an online forum they've been blocked from many times, claim they're not trying to nor interested in coming back to MUScoop but rather just want to apologize for his previous actions because life is too short to spend on MUScoop, promise to never return again, and then once Tom Crean is fired a few months later come running back to defend his every move. Maybe the lesson wasn't learned.
I hope you and others someday will find in their heart the ability to recognize maybe O'Neill and Crean changed. Maybe they didn't, but through my life experiences I have seen people make choices or decisions they thought were the right ones at a given time, perhaps through immaturity or conceit (over confidence), but later realized that the choices made were wrong. In O'Neill and Crean's case, I suspect neither has true regrets as they took on other opportunities, but that doesn't devalue their comments or current line of thinking on the MU job and their affinity for itnor the people that touched them when they were head coaches at MU. People can change.
God bless them.
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Last year meaning 2016, of I recall, but this past season (2016-2017 season). He was Big Ten coach of the year and three finalists for national coach of the year in 2016, also happened last year, but reflective of the 2015-16 season.
Both happened last year but represent different seasons. The act of winning COY and the act of beating UNC and KU both happened in 2016, some would say that is last year. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused. 2016 feels like last year to me. Others may differ on that interpretation.
Yeesh. I hope you don't work in the financial sector with a fiscal year that doesn't line up with the calendar.
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Btw, Joey was there on Friday
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Btw, Joey was there on Friday
I was in the locker room when a group of tall guys walked in. I noticed that the last name on all of their nametags was "Heldt".
Looks like Matty has some younger brothers and/or cousins.
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I was in the locker room when a group of tall guys walked in. I noticed that the last name on all of their nametags was "Heldt".
Looks like Matty has some younger brothers and/or cousins.
Were these younger Heldt's more talented basketball players than Matt? If so, it all makes sense.
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"Our Kev" has said many times that he probably left MU too early.
Also, I've always respected "Our Kev" because he had the guts to hold a press conference before he left MU for UT. Major props for that in my book because if you leave, there is a right way and a wrong way. Even though I was upset that he left, "Our Kev" did it the right way. Tommy Tutone on the other hand....
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You're the only one who sees him as a calculated liar. That's singularly on you. Sorry you're so bitter.
He's not the only one who views Crean that way.
And bitter? Far from it. I'm over joyed he's gone
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With one exception, I can forgive as we have moved on.
KO left for the University of Tennessee. Probably a good move for him. We hurt because we hired the wrong guy to replace him. Sorry Mike, we did. Had KO stayed at UT (and I understand why that offer could be compelling), the Vols probably would have won the national championship at least once. But KO left there because he was fourth most important sport behind football (KO, this is UT, what did you expect. Football is more important than academics!), spring football and women's basketball. That was a dumb move, especially going to Northwestern.
Crean left for essentially the same reason. While many of my genre believe Indiana and Marquette to be equivalent (we were after all 1 and 2 in the country in 1976), the vast majority of people would disagree. Crean had a long contract at IU and a long leash to clean things up. He almost did but that's a school that thinks if they're not in the mix for an NCAA championship, the coach should be quietly disposed of. Given the money and security of that contract, Crean would have been a fool not to take it. And, he left the cupboard fairly full for the Hillbilly. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
The Hillbilly will not be forgiven. OK, I may spend a few millennia in purgatory for that, but I'll never forgive the Hillbilly for the way he treated us. I become ill and emotionally agitated when I see that crew-cut faker on television. It's a personal weakness and a spiritual one (no Fathers, Confession won't help because I ain't promising to sin no more on this one) but I hope that guy is the highest paid unemployed basketball coach in the history of mankind. Maybe someday, after Wojo does what the Hillbilly was never going to do, hang a banner next to 1977, but until then....
Except for the Hillbilly, it's time to move on.
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With one exception, I can forgive as we have moved on.
KO left for the University of Tennessee. Probably a good move for him. We hurt because we hired the wrong guy to replace him. Sorry Mike, we did. Had KO stayed at UT (and I understand why that offer could be compelling), the Vols probably would have won the national championship at least once. But KO left there because he was fourth most important sport behind football (KO, this is UT, what did you expect. Football is more important than academics!), spring football and women's basketball. That was a dumb move, especially going to Northwestern.
Crean left for essentially the same reason. While many of my genre believe Indiana and Marquette to be equivalent (we were after all 1 and 2 in the country in 1976), the vast majority of people would disagree. Crean had a long contract at IU and a long leash to clean things up. He almost did but that's a school that thinks if they're not in the mix for an NCAA championship, the coach should be quietly disposed of. Given the money and security of that contract, Crean would have been a fool not to take it. And, he left the cupboard fairly full for the Hillbilly. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
The Hillbilly will not be forgiven. OK, I may spend a few millennia in purgatory for that, but I'll never forgive the Hillbilly for the way he treated us. I become ill and emotionally agitated when I see that crew-cut faker on television. It's a personal weakness and a spiritual one (no Fathers, Confession won't help because I ain't promising to sin no more on this one) but I hope that guy is the highest paid unemployed basketball coach in the history of mankind. Maybe someday, after Wojo does what the Hillbilly was never going to do, hang a banner next to 1977, but until then....
Except for the Hillbilly, it's time to move on.
Agreed. I'd be fine the Buzz's departure as well except he ripped on Marquette and the Big East as he left and still occasionally does to this day.
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With one exception, I can forgive as we have moved on.
KO left for the University of Tennessee. Probably a good move for him. We hurt because we hired the wrong guy to replace him. Sorry Mike, we did. Had KO stayed at UT (and I understand why that offer could be compelling), the Vols probably would have won the national championship at least once. But KO left there because he was fourth most important sport behind football (KO, this is UT, what did you expect. Football is more important than academics!), spring football and women's basketball. That was a dumb move, especially going to Northwestern.
Crean left for essentially the same reason. While many of my genre believe Indiana and Marquette to be equivalent (we were after all 1 and 2 in the country in 1976), the vast majority of people would disagree. Crean had a long contract at IU and a long leash to clean things up. He almost did but that's a school that thinks if they're not in the mix for an NCAA championship, the coach should be quietly disposed of. Given the money and security of that contract, Crean would have been a fool not to take it. And, he left the cupboard fairly full for the Hillbilly. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
The Hillbilly will not be forgiven. OK, I may spend a few millennia in purgatory for that, but I'll never forgive the Hillbilly for the way he treated us. I become ill and emotionally agitated when I see that crew-cut faker on television. It's a personal weakness and a spiritual one (no Fathers, Confession won't help because I ain't promising to sin no more on this one) but I hope that guy is the highest paid unemployed basketball coach in the history of mankind. Maybe someday, after Wojo does what the Hillbilly was never going to do, hang a banner next to 1977, but until then....
Except for the Hillbilly, it's time to move on.
We may need to exorcise that demon at Soft Pines this summer. Some anti-Buzz whiskey should do the trick.
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He's not the only one who views Crean that way.
And bitter? Far from it. I'm over joyed he's gone
I. too, was done with Crean's slick self promotion and quite happy that he moved on- if only he had done so respectfully/properly. His brother-in-law got him the gig and he exhibited about as much class as Jim does. Too bad for him.
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"Our Kev" has said many times that he probably left MU too early.
Also, I've always respected "Our Kev" because he had the guts to hold a press conference before he left MU for UT. Major props for that in my book because if you leave, there is a right way and a wrong way. Even though I was upset that he left, "Our Kev" did it the right way. Tommy Tutone on the other hand....
Didn't KO rip the University on the way out?
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I thought Crean had peaked at MU. I think Buzz is a better coach. I have pointed out Crean's weaknesses as a coach many times. But.... 9 years is long enough. He came back and made peace. Time to move on.
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Didn't KO rip the University on the way out?
I mean he ripped them the other night as well with the two glasss of wine limit comment.
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We may need to exorcise that demon at Soft Pines this summer. Some anti-Buzz whiskey should do the trick.
Sounds like a plan. I gotta figure out time to go up there.
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I mean he ripped them the other night as well with the two glasss of wine limit comment.
That was a joke.
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He's not the only one who views Crean that way.
And bitter? Far from it. I'm over joyed he's gone
Bingo - lots of MU fans on board with this!
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Bingo - lots of MU fans on board with this!
Yup!
I was done with Crean by years 5 n 6. The schtick, the personality, the pouting and the horrible coaching. This and literally horrible recruiting classes before the 3 amigos left the program in shambles 5-6 yrs into a tenure?!. How would the masses feel if buzz or wojo had seasons like that? Add in his personality n terrible coaching. It was time to go. He finally got the 3 amigos but the personality n horrible coaching continued.
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Yup!
I was done with Crean by years 5 n 6. The schtick, the personality, the pouting and the horrible coaching. This and literally horrible recruiting classes before the 3 amigos left the program in shambles 5-6 yrs into a tenure?!. How would the masses feel if buzz or wojo had seasons like that? Add in his personality n terrible coaching. It was time to go. He finally got the 3 amigos but the personality n horrible coaching continued.
Are the people that constantly say these same things about Crean's personality truly not self-aware enough to realize the irony of their posts?
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Yup!
I was done with Crean by years 5 n 6. The schtick, the personality, the pouting and the horrible coaching. This and literally horrible recruiting classes before the 3 amigos left the program in shambles 5-6 yrs into a tenure?!. How would the masses feel if buzz or wojo had seasons like that? Add in his personality n terrible coaching. It was time to go. He finally got the 3 amigos but the personality n horrible coaching continued.
...and he could not sign a big, but now we have bigs and there are those here on Scoop who complain about Wojo not being a good game coach or can't teach defense and on and on and if a player decides to transfer it is because he got Wojoed; not that he may actually see he is not good enough to compete. At least we are not criticizing him for his character....yet.
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You ignore Commissioner Tranghese's comments about MU and the BE, and Crean's influence of MU landing there. Timing is everything, Final Four was critical, commitment critical, no Crean equals no Wade, no Wade = no Final Four.
For whatever odd reason this grates some people. Be happy stars aligned, or recruits fell into one's lap if that makes others feel better through disparagement, end of the day those events happened and MU benefitted from it.
Is that not enough for all of us to be happy where we are? MU would likely be in this version of the BE after the breakup a few years ago, that was not necessarily a slam dunk case when we actually joined with what we had done the previous two decades (not much). Read Tranghese's comments.
The commisioner of a conference complimenting the efforts of a new members coach, hmm defining and never seen before. Smh sucker born every day. BE prolly offers Loyola, Dayton, or Slu if Crean is not at MU. SMH
Lets get back to reality... Show me a midwestern school that wasnt in a power 5 conference already that had a bigger fanbase, better attendance, better arena, better tradition, bigger city, and better recent performance under oneil n deane ( lets pretend no final 4 fir crean). Marquette is still the no brainer for the BE.
Again no credit to Crean, he deseves none.
Al yes, KO yes, Crean hell no
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Are the people that constantly say these same things about Crean's personality truly not self-aware enough to realize the irony of their posts?
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Caught? He created it. Other than a game against Bucky, when was the last time we had sold out the BC before Crean?
I was specifically referring to Dwyane Wade. Landing a three star recruit that turns into one of the 25 or so greatest players in the history of the game is lightning in a bottle. Crean capitalized it and gets credit for recruiting Wade, but there was still some luck involved.
It would be like if Greg Elliott produced at Wade's level. Wojo gets credit for finding the guy and beating Izzo to him, but that's still a bit of a lucky find.
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I believe the pouting is the irony...
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Didn't KO rip the University on the way out?
Yes he did. And when he saw what he had at UT he asked Cords if he could come back and Cords said no because of the press conference.
The way Crean left wasn't supposed to happen the way it did. His brother in law leaked it on an Indianapolis radio show. There were already arrangements to take the team to his house in Mequon that night before it became public.
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Yes he did. And when he saw what he had at UT he asked Cords if he could come back and Cords said no because of the press conference.
The way Crean left wasn't supposed to happen the way it did. His brother in law leaked it on an Indianapolis radio show. There were already arrangements to take the team to his house in Mequon that night before it became public.
What "Our Kev" said was:
'I've taken Marquette as far as it could go (to the Sweet 16). Time for a new challenge at UT.'
So when Marquette made the Final Four 9 years later in 2003, I wrote a letter to the Milwaukee Journal Sports Editor and it was published in the Sunday Edition the day after Final Four game.
At that time Kevin was a vagabond coach and like today his greatest success was at Marquette. My letter said in so many words: 'Kevin you once said you had taken Marquette as far as it could go. In reality, it was Marquette that took you as far as you could go'.
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I hope you and others someday will find in their heart the ability to recognize maybe O'Neill and Crean changed. Maybe they didn't, but through my life experiences I have seen people make choices or decisions they thought were the right ones at a given time, perhaps through immaturity or conceit (over confidence), but later realized that the choices made were wrong. In O'Neill and Crean's case, I suspect neither has true regrets as they took on other opportunities, but that doesn't devalue their comments or current line of thinking on the MU job and their affinity for itnor the people that touched them when they were head coaches at MU. People can change.
God bless them.
Some people pretend not to hear things. Some people clearly didnt change, despite their diarrhea of the keyboard and wailing for forgiveness and saying they have changed. Like the guy that prays to God if he can survive and then 5 minutes later forgets the whole situation.
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One new thing I learned at Hoopla:
Dr. Lovell said that when he first became President, he commissioned a study to determine the economic impact of the basketball program to the university. He said that they found out that every dollar spent on Men's Basketball brings in six dollars in economic benefit to Marquette.
I am going to find out if that study is published online somewhere so I can send it to people who bitch about how much money we spend on hoops.
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One new thing I learned at Hoopla:
Dr. Lovell said that when he first became President, he commissioned a study to determine the economic impact of the basketball program to the university. He said that they found out that every dollar spent on Men's Basketball brings in six dollars in economic benefit to Marquette.
I am going to find out if that study is published online somewhere so I can send it to people who bitch about how much money we spend on hoops.
Wow! Interesting stat.
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One new thing I learned at Hoopla:
Dr. Lovell said that when he first became President, he commissioned a study to determine the economic impact of the basketball program to the university. He said that they found out that every dollar spent on Men's Basketball brings in six dollars in economic benefit to Marquette.
I am going to find out if that study is published online somewhere so I can send it to people who bitch about how much money we spend on hoops.
But, but...We should be using that money to invest in lowering our admission rates and sending out recruiters to the elite east coast schools to improve our non-revenue lacrosse team.
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Bumping this great article from Matt earlier this year...
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/02/11/100-years-marquette-basketball-full-golden-moments/97600020/
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One new thing I learned at Hoopla:
Dr. Lovell said that when he first became President, he commissioned a study to determine the economic impact of the basketball program to the university. He said that they found out that every dollar spent on Men's Basketball brings in six dollars in economic benefit to Marquette.
I am going to find out if that study is published online somewhere so I can send it to people who bitch about how much money we spend on hoops.
When we start winnng again on a regular basis that number will be more impactful. 6:1 is pretty darn good considering we're we have been. Som good years in the study I'm sure 16/16/8 - but that is an impressive number.
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The point is that some people (not you) who constantly claim how terrible Crean is are basically showing themselves to be just as terrible in the process.
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What "Our Kev" said was:
'I've taken Marquette as far as it could go (to the Sweet 16). Time for a new challenge at UT.'
So when Marquette made the Final Four 9 years later in 2003, I wrote a letter to the Milwaukee Journal Sports Editor and it was published in the Sunday Edition the day after Final Four game.
At that time Kevin was a vagabond coach and like today his greatest success was at Marquette. My letter said in so many words: 'Kevin you once said you had taken Marquette as far as it could go. In reality, it was Marquette that took you as far as you could go'.
In researching this, I looked up an old NYT article on the move and it contained this gem:
"Athletic Director Doug Dickey said that O'Neill would have a five-year contract with a base salary of $115,000 a year, plus guaranteed radio and television income of $125,000 a year.
Marquette had been paying him about $150,000 a year. His contract at Marquette was to run through the 1996-97 season and reportedly contained a $125,000 buyout clause."
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In researching this, I looked up an old NYT article on the move and it contained this gem:
"Athletic Director Doug Dickey said that O'Neill would have a five-year contract with a base salary of $115,000 a year, plus guaranteed radio and television income of $125,000 a year.
Marquette had been paying him about $150,000 a year. His contract at Marquette was to run through the 1996-97 season and reportedly contained a $125,000 buyout clause."
KO's problem was he was a gypsy. He should have stayed at UT and challenged Kentucky for SEC supremacy. I think he could have done it.
He could have. He should have. He didn't
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One new thing I learned at Hoopla:
Dr. Lovell said that when he first became President, he commissioned a study to determine the economic impact of the basketball program to the university. He said that they found out that every dollar spent on Men's Basketball brings in six dollars in economic benefit to Marquette.
Wow. I can only imagine how big that was when we were a national powerhouse.
You can see it in the geographical diversity of the student body. When we stink, we're a Wisconsin and Illinois school. When we're good, we have a much larger national base of students.
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What "Our Kev" said was:
'I've taken Marquette as far as it could go (to the Sweet 16). Time for a new challenge at UT.'
So when Marquette made the Final Four 9 years later in 2003, I wrote a letter to the Milwaukee Journal Sports Editor and it was published in the Sunday Edition the day after Final Four game.
At that time Kevin was a vagabond coach and like today his greatest success was at Marquette. My letter said in so many words: 'Kevin you once said you had taken Marquette as far as it could go. In reality, it was Marquette that took you as far as you could go'.
It was a little more than that. When he called Cords and asked to come back Cords responded something along the line of "did you forget your press conference already?"
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In researching this, I looked up an old NYT article on the move and it contained this gem:
"Athletic Director Doug Dickey said that O'Neill would have a five-year contract with a base salary of $115,000 a year, plus guaranteed radio and television income of $125,000 a year.
Marquette had been paying him about $150,000 a year. His contract at Marquette was to run through the 1996-97 season and reportedly contained a $125,000 buyout clause."
So the Coach's salary has increased 10X or more in the last 25 years, astounding.
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So the Coach's salary has increased 10X or more in the last 25 years, astounding.
How far out of line is that with the rest of the professional world?
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How far out of line is that with the rest of the professional world?
Yes.
The rate of inflation since 1992 is about 75%. So KO's contract would be worth about $260,000 today.
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I just read through the commemorative program book last night. Enjoyed it, some great pics. Loved the writeup about the 74 Final Four as I was there, and while I do know how the Coke machine ended up in the swimming pool, what happened in Greensboro stays in Greensboro....
As the last line says, "it led to all those snowy walks downtown, the crowd gathering, and the energy rising, and even now, I can hear the doors opening and the band beginning to play".
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Kinda a weird request....
I have a good friend and MU supporter who showed me a picture on his phone of the banners behind the stage at the Hoopla. My friend is prominently pictured in one of the banners, (maybe from last year's Villanova game)? Who do you think I'd contact to try to make a donation and receive the banner? I can't imagine MU is considering reusing the banners.
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Kinda a weird request....
I have a good friend and MU supporter who showed me a picture on his phone of the banners behind the stage at the Hoopla. My friend is prominently pictured in one of the banners, (maybe from last year's Villanova game)? Who do you think I'd contact to try to make a donation and receive the banner? I can't imagine MU is considering reusing the banners.
Those weren't actually banners. They were video screens.
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Those weren't actually banners. They were video screens.
Then I'll have to get him something else for his birthday. Thanks!
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https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/06/26/marquette-100-years-al-mcguire?utm_campaign=si-ncaabb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si
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https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/06/26/marquette-100-years-al-mcguire?utm_campaign=si-ncaabb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si
CHARLES P. PIERCE is obviously a Marquette grad with the McCormick References.
Shouldn't Steve Rushin be writing this story for SI?
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https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/06/26/marquette-100-years-al-mcguire?utm_campaign=si-ncaabb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si
Charles must have had a good weekend--he references the event occurring on Saturday night. Lost a day there somewhere....
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https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/06/26/marquette-100-years-al-mcguire?utm_campaign=si-ncaabb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si
Didn't realize that Wojo was so much involved, Hats Off.
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CHARLES P. PIERCE is obviously a Marquette grad with the McCormick References.
Shouldn't Steve Rushin be writing this story for SI?
Pierce is a Marquette grad and interacts with Paint Touches on basketball stuff regularly.
The fact that he is an unabashed, ornery liberal whose Esquire articles are a must-read makes him even better.
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Pierce is a Marquette grad and interacts with Paint Touches on basketball stuff regularly.
The fact that he is an unabashed, ornery liberal whose Esquire articles are a must-read makes him even better.
Or it makes him an obnoxious blowhard who writes barely-readable drivel. Tomato, tomahto ;)
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Will be streamed via facebook live
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/877917507339902976
Is there a recorded version of this somewhere?
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I think the Pierce article missed something important about the Centenniel that the event didn't: While the McGuire years were the apex, there have been many more glory years to honor and celebrate...and that is special. One losing coach since before Tex Winter. Astounding.
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I think the Pierce article missed something important about the Centeniel that the event didn't: While the McGuire years were the apex, there have been many more glory years to honor and celebrate...and that is special. One losing coach since Tex Winter. Astounding.
And Tex went on to some fame of his own with the Triangle offense in the NBA.
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Is there a recorded version of this somewhere?
The only place as far as I know is here and you have to go to minute 35 to start stream video.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1140796019397357&id=141090692701233&_rdr
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And Tex went on to some fame of his own with the Triangle offense in the NBA.
I edited to clarify..."since before Tex"...
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Pierce is a Marquette grad and interacts with Paint Touches on basketball stuff regularly.
The fact that he is an unabashed, ornery liberal whose Esquire articles are a must-read makes him even better.
That Charles Pierce!? I do love his writings for Esquire and didn't realize he was an MU grad also.
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Is there a recorded version of this somewhere?
Tower posted this a few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiNLcIw4xOs&list=PLzqRtxGmacTcJphoB-H6-a7USOtlUJKMK
There are clips from each panel.
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I wonder how Pierce feels about the new arena?? I wish he would have shone light on that topic.
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I wonder how Pierce feels about the new arena?? I wish he would have shone light on that topic.
He talked about it in the article.
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That Charles Pierce!? I do love his writings for Esquire and didn't realize he was an MU grad also.
http://grantland.com/features/the-ncaa-nostalgia/
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Or it makes him an obnoxious blowhard who writes barely-readable drivel. Tomato, tomahto ;)
Liberals love him. Conservatives hate him.
Check.
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He talked about it in the article.
(https://m.popkey.co/aa063f/WgWQ1.gif)
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Uhh...wow. So yeah...apparently Buzz Williams was so jealous of Marquette having a 100 year reunion for basketball, he decided to have one of his own.
Buzz is having his own "First Decade Reunion" in Blacksburg this weekend. Jae, Jimmy, and Junior are there, among others. They are posting under the #First1Decade hashtag on Twitter.
How full of himself is this guy? ::)
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Uhh...wow. So yeah...apparently Buzz Williams was so jealous of Marquette having a 100 year reunion for basketball, he decided to have one of his own.
Buzz is having his own "First Decade Reunion" in Blacksburg this weekend. Jae, Jimmy, and Junior are there, among others. They are posting under the #First1Decade hashtag on Twitter.
How full of himself is this guy? ::)
At least he dressed up for it.
https://twitter.com/TeamCoachBuzz/status/893201181685821440
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Uhh...wow. So yeah...apparently Buzz Williams was so jealous of Marquette having a 100 year reunion for basketball, he decided to have one of his own.
Buzz is having his own "First Decade Reunion" in Blacksburg this weekend. Jae, Jimmy, and Junior are there, among others. They are posting under the #First1Decade hashtag on Twitter.
How full of himself is this guy? ::)
He said he'll never have anything with his name on it.. the "10 years" seems suspicious, ai'na? So did #buzzsbbq
Nonetheless, I think he touched some of these guys (nh) in very good ways, so I'm OK with it
I may be a lot like Buzz, in the right way, so I'm not upset.
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Buzz connects with people as well as any coach in the business.
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Good for Buzz, and guys like Jimmy, Jae, DJO, Junior et al. It's great that he still embraces his MU players and incorporates them with VT (yuck).
It will be interesting to see how long Buzz stays at VT. He definitely floated his name with Ohio State several weeks ago. I wonder if VT will get tired of his personality as well, as some clearly did at MU. He is a heck of a coach, one with a drive and work ethic that rivals any other. However, that can quality can get real old real fast - especially in a down year. I wouldn't be shocked to see Buzz there another 2-3 years, and then decide to move on to one last job in the Texas/Oklahoma region. Heck, Kruger won't be at OU forever.
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Buzz connects with people as well as any coach in the business.
Anyone whose lips have had as much contact with others' buttocks as his would be considered good at "connecting" with people.
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When did buzz get hair?
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At least he dressed up for it.
https://twitter.com/TeamCoachBuzz/status/893201181685821440
Dude on the far left of the picture, continuing the walking boot tradition
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When did buzz get CREEPY hair?
Fixed
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When did buzz get hair?
Restore54.com