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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Dr. Blackheart on April 23, 2017, 10:21:08 AM
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Found this old article interesting about "The Seat Belt Man". One, he turned down Northwestern before he took the MU job. The second, this quote, which I found hilarious considering his team's play:
"For me, it was an easy transition. For the players, it's a gigantic transition. My philosophy is fast-break basketball-moving the ball up the floor quickly on transition and utilizing the three-point shot. Kevin was a proponent of the half-court walk-it-up game with the emphasis on a solid defense."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-12-04/sports/9412040097_1_bill-cords-nu-bill-foster
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In all seriousness, Deane was a good basketball coach - just a very poor recruiter. I did not realize he turned down Northwestern. What was his exact quote - At a place like Marquette, fans should be satisfied with an occasional tournament appearance, or something like that?
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His siena teams were very fast paced. But credit to Deane who was an outstanding coach he quickly recognized the returnees were not suited to that style.
His recruiting hurt him as the Oneil players left the program he beacme less and less successful.
My guess due to frustration on his coaches show during year 5, his final. He stated MU fans were un realistic and they should be happy with only occasional NCAA appearances. This was the end as it was wholly different than the fan bases and more importantly the administartions perspective.
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His siena teams were very fast paced. But credit to Deane who was an outstanding coach he quickly recognized the returnees were not suited to that style.
His recruiting hurt him as the Oneil players left the program he beacme less and less successful.
My guess due to frustration on his coaches show during year 5, his final. He stated MU fans were un realistic and they should be happy with only occasional NCAA appearances. This was the end as it was wholly different than the fan bases and more importantly the administartions perspective.
What?
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Shyte. I saw the title of the OP and I thought Deane had died.
Glad to see that's not true.
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Mike Deane was 100-55 in his five years at MU and won over 400 games overall. He understood how to coach winning basketball.
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Deane was one of the better X's and O's coaches MU has had, imo.
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Deane was one of the better X's and O's coaches MU has had, imo.
True
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Shyte. I saw the title of the OP and I thought Deane had died.
Glad to see that's not true.
Well, he kinda did. Got suspended for fighting a fellow assistant, then he was "retired".
The DOBO job would await him, if only he had Jerry's demeanor. Turner's could use the business too.
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Mike Deane was 100-55 in his five years at MU and won over 400 games overall. He understood how to coach winning basketball.
He would have rather gone to a horsetrack, a bar or a golf course then spend time at an AAU event.
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I remember going to a game in his last season and the BC had the atmosphere of a funeral home. He may have been an good Xs and Os coach, but he was done. Fired at the right time and replaced with the right person.
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Turner's could use the business too.
My brother worked as a bartender there during Deane's tenure. Told me some good stories, mostly involving him hitting on ladies less than half his age.
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Also one of the quickest to call a time-out. I remember one game he called a time-out with less than a minute in the game to bark at someone...
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Also one of the quickest to call a time-out. I remember one game he called a time-out with less than a minute in the game to bark at someone...
He actually did that all the time. If he wasnt happy with the teams defensive intensity from the opening tip he would call a timeout n go ballistic. I liked it.
Great coach even more horrible recruiter. Was good till oneils talent all graduated maybe the worst recruiter MU has seen.
The Arkansas game will always be one of my greatest disappointments. That team was really really good. Maybe the worst shooting night i have ever seen and they still woulda, coulda, shoulda won. 4 seed losing to a 12 seed, so dissapointing
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Would spend timeouts early and if your guy scored, unless you were a star scorer, you were coming out at the next dead ball. Not a lot of talented guys want to play for a coach like that and he didn't spend nearly enough time or effort finding the ones who would. Krunti Hester?
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The smallest part of building a successful basketball program is ability to use X's and O's.
Deane was mediocre to terrible at most of the others.
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Also one of the quickest to call a time-out. I remember one game he called a time-out with less than a minute in the game to bark at someone...
Chris Crawford.
Though, to give Deane some credit, he did recruit some solid guys who were key to MU's resurgence under Crean in Cordell, Wardle, Nnamaka and Jon Harris. Alton Mason would have been a good one too, if not for MU's academic rigor. He tearing up Hutch in practice when he was told to leave.
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I lived in Albany when he was the Siena coach. Had two local guys as roommates (Cuse grads...SMH) who took me to a Siena game. 2:00 into the game i ask "what the hell's wrong with that coach?". One guy hands the other $20 - apparently the over/under on me asking was 5:00 minutes.
Edit: Same exact bar stories from Albany
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Post Al, Dean-o may have been the best game coach at MU. When he was fired, many were upset at Cords and MU for the short rope. Cords saw the fall off coming, though, and made the tough and right call.
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Post Al, Dean-o may have been the best game coach at MU. When he was fired, many were upset at Cords and MU for the short rope. Cords saw the fall off coming, though, and made the tough and right call.
As much as I thought Deane was a good game coach , it was the right call. Prevented the glaciers from our mini ice age to return. College athletics is still primarily about the talent differential.
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Deano bit the buttocks of a female lawyer in Turners as she stood drinking at the bar.
I remember when Paula returned to NY for "professional reasons."
Marquette was very well represented by the dark-glassed one.
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Deano bit the buttocks of a female lawyer in Turners as she stood drinking at the bar.
I remember when Paula returned to NY for "professional reasons."
Marquette was very well represented by the dark-glassed one.
Deane was a wild one in the bars. And yes many were down on MU for firing a coach that had averaged 20 wins n won a conference title in 5 years but the team was heading in the wrong ditection n the recruiting was terrible. It was the right call. As Crean had two .500 seasons while rebuilding the talent. That said F Crean.
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Crean sucks
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You knew he meant business when he broke out the gold wired smoke tint glasses. In his last years I thought to myself could our team get any whiter or stiff. Dick Shaw, Jarrod Lovett, Mike Bargen, Brian Wardle, etc. I was so used to that crap that watching DWade explode down the lane for a tomahawk dunk was a huge breath of fresh air.
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You knew he meant business when he broke out the gold wired smoke tint glasses. In his last years I thought to myself could our team get any whiter or stiff. Dick Shaw, Jarrod Lovett, Mike Bargen, Brian Wardle, etc. I was so used to that crap that watching DWade explode down the lane for a tomahawk dunk was a huge breath of fresh air.
Lovette, Bargan and Wardle were good players. Dick was a KO recruit.
And who cares what color our players are? Butler and St Mary's, to name two off the top of my highly intelligent head, did ok with a bunch of white kids.
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One could argue that MU's last five coaches hit their high water marks in MKE. Actually, one could argue, all-time, all MU head coaches ever except Rick and Tex hit their high water basketball marks at MU.
Crean is grey but the Final Four and the Big East trumps the B1G championships with the NCAA flat tires... and getting the unceremoniously getting shyt canned as his s parting gift. The jury is still out on Buzz, only because of the years ahead. Deane-o regretted leaving Siena, one gets the feeling, and it was reflected in his recruiting effort.
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One could argue that MU's last five coaches hit their high water marks in MKE. Actually, one could argue, all-time, all MU head coaches ever except Rick and Tex hit their high water basketball marks at MU.
Crean is grey but the Final Four and the Big East trumps the B1G championships with the NCAA flat tires... and getting the unceremoniously getting shyt canned as his s parting gift. The jury is still out on Buzz, only because of the years ahead. Deane-o regretted leaving Siena, one gets the feeling, and it was reflected in his recruiting effort.
If only we got even a bit of Tex and Rick's best coaching... sighed I'd trade Nagle and Hickey for Tex till Al for sure
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one gets the feeling, and it was reflected in his recruiting effort.
He passed on Wally Szerbiak (sp?) for John Polonowski and Chris Mimh for Greg Clausen. Oof.
Alton Mason kind of broke him. Super talented but couldn't cut it academically and had to leave MU after midterm grades came out. After that he was scared off of recruiting academically risky kids and we got Bart Miller and John Mueller (both wonderful kids and representatives of MU but not D1 players).
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Wow, John Mueller. . . I totally forgot about that kid. Thanks!
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Posted in another thread, but the '98 NIT against Minnesota was on Classic last month. Deane took two timeouts right away. MU blew a late lead and had a Cliff wide open 3 to win at the end. The '95 NIT championship was also on. You could see the talent difference in those 3 years. Did Lovette's troubles have anything to do with the bad '99 season, or was Deane already gone?
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Deane valued consistency, which is why he recruited Oluoma Nnamaka.
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Posted in another thread, but the '98 NIT against Minnesota was on Classic last month. Deane took two timeouts right away. MU blew a late lead and had a Cliff wide open 3 to win at the end. The '95 NIT championship was also on. You could see the talent difference in those 3 years. Did Lovette's troubles have anything to do with the bad '99 season, or was Deane already gone?
He was gone. Recruiting was in the tank (Krunti Hester, which he tried to sell as ranked in the top 20 in Indiana), Deane had publicly gone after the St. John's job the previous spring and then tried to get Bill Cords fired. 3 strikes.
Even after beating top 5 Cincy late in the season, Cords said "this changes nothing" and Father Wild was all in on sending Deane packing.
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95 nit championship game was an absolute heart crusher. Pieper takes a text book charge to seal the game only to have a block called. The game hurt.
After a slow start that team ended the season playing fantastic basketball n it carried over into the next year.
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He was gone. Recruiting was in the tank (Krunti Hester, which he tried to sell as ranked in the top 20 in Indiana), Deane had publicly gone after the St. John's job the previous spring and then tried to get Bill Cords fired. 3 strikes.
Even after beating top 5 Cincy late in the season, Cords said "this changes nothing" and Father Wild was all in on sending Deane packing.
St. John's story. Some big names on their list. To be fair, SJU was the better job at the time being in the Big East.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/top-guys-not-storm-article-1.721442
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95 nit championship game was an absolute heart crusher. Pieper takes a text book charge to seal the game only to have a block called. The game hurt.
After a slow start that team ended the season playing fantastic basketball n it carried over into the next year.
That 1996 team was one of the better MU teams of the past 25 years. Would have loved to play UMass in the S16.
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That 1996 team was one of the better MU teams of the past 25 years. Would have loved to play UMass in the S16.
32% shooting in that Arkansas game. 32% goddamn percent. Crawford and Pieper were especially horrible that day. Already had a place to stay in Atlanta too. >:(
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95 nit championship game was an absolute heart crusher. Pieper takes a text book charge to seal the game only to have a block called. The game hurt.
After a slow start that team ended the season playing fantastic basketball n it carried over into the next year.
I'm not sure about that play but it was Faisel Abraham who was called for the foul on Shawn Smith (64% or so FT shooter) with .7 seconds left. We were 6 of 16 from the line in that game and led by 10 in the second half.
We were so ready go to go the Lake too. :(
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That 1996 team was one of the better MU teams of the past 25 years. Would have loved to play UMass in the S16.
According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.
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According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.
Eh, I don't know. I wouldn't use the rankings solely to determine strength of team. That team earned a 4 seed in the tournament so the committee saw them as a top 16 team in the country. We've only had 3 teams earn better seeds since then (2013, 2012, 2013 I believe). Granted, 2009 we would have likely been a 2 seed if James hadn't been hurt, so I'll throw that one in there as well.
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According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.
That team was a four seed and hot as blazes going into the NCAA. Only games they lost toward the end of the year was at St. Louis (bad loss), and a UC team in the CUSA championship game in overtime. That UC team went to the E8 that year. In the semis, they crushed a ranked Memphis team on their home court.
They cruised to an easy first round win then got upset by Arkansas which I had a sinking feeling would happen. (That Arkansas team beat a #5 and Big Ten champion Penn State team in the first round. I was praying for Penn State to win that game.)
That was a good Marquette team.
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Hang on, if Mike Deane was content with mediocrity and making the tournament only once in a while, than why does MikeDeanesDarkGlasses want Wojo gone so badly, eh? ;)
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According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.
Crean only had 1 team that was noticeably better. Of course Buzz had multiple better teams, Buzz is Buzz.
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Crean only had 1 team that was noticeably better. Of course Buzz had multiple better teams, Buzz is Buzz.
Buzz had only two teams that were markedly better. 2011-12 and 2012-13. (And yes I know that is multiple.) His 2011-12 team went further in the tournament, but I would be hard pressed to say that team was "better."
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Buzz had only two teams that were markedly better. 2011-12 and 2012-13. (And yes I know that is multiple.) His 2011-12 team went further in the tournament, but I would be hard pressed to say that team was "better."
Come on man 11-12 team was better than the 12-13 team. That team hit 27 wins and did it in a considerably harder way than 96 got to 23.
Crean only had 1 team that was noticeably better. Of course Buzz had multiple better teams, Buzz is Buzz.
The first Wade team had a better record than the second, they just didn't go as far. I was also including the 07-08 team as they got up to 8th in the country and had a better record than 96 in the best conference in history. So those two and the FF team are the three I was talking about.
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That team was a four seed and hot as blazes going into the NCAA. Only games they lost toward the end of the year was at St. Louis (bad loss), and a UC team in the CUSA championship game in overtime. That UC team went to the E8 that year. In the semis, they crushed a ranked Memphis team on their home court.
They cruised to an easy first round win then got upset by Arkansas which I had a sinking feeling would happen. (That Arkansas team beat a #5 and Big Ten champion Penn State team in the first round. I was praying for Penn State to win that game.)
That was a good Marquette team.
Wait, in basketball??
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Buzz had only two teams that were markedly better. 2011-12 and 2012-13. (And yes I know that is multiple.) His 2011-12 team went further in the tournament, but I would be hard pressed to say that team was "better."
I'm assuming you meant 2010-2011. That team went further in the tournament but was an 11 seed and one of the last teams in.
The 2011-12 team was Buzz's best team, in my opinion even though the 2012-13 team went further int he tournament.
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I'm assuming you meant 2010-2011. That team went further in the tournament but was an 11 seed and one of the last teams in.
Yes sorry. That's exactly what I meant.
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According to college poll archive they were barely ranked and only for a couple weeks. They're easily worse than 3 of creans teams and three of Buzz's. Add on O'Neill's last team and that makes them 7th at absolute best. I'd probably say they were more average than one of the better when you take into account the fact that in that span there's 15 NCAA teams and 5 NIT teams plus the Ellenson team was no slouch.
They were a 4 seed and for a reason, really good team.
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I'm not sure about that play but it was Faisel Abraham who was called for the foul on Shawn Smith (64% or so FT shooter) with .7 seconds left. We were 6 of 16 from the line in that game and led by 10 in the second half.
We were so ready go to go the Lake too. :(
Different play in the game
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They were a 4 seed and for a reason, really good team.
I'm not arguing that they'd be good. But I'm arguing that they weren't one of the best teams in the last 25 years. But here's a fun drill, I've listed the 7 teams I argued at were better for sure. Tell me which of there you'd say the 96 team was better than that would move them from middle of the pack to one of the better teams.
96: 23-8
94: 24-9
02: 26-7
03: 27-6
08: 25-10
09: 25-10
12: 27-8
13: 26-9
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I wasnt ranking them just said they were really good going back to my original post.
But if i had to id prolly put them ahead of the 02 team and what ever year we were the 11 seed in cleveland n went s16. Could be wrong. 02 team wasnt all that good apart from Wade. Good argument to have though
96 team had some really good players n two future NBAers. Beat some really good teams and had tremendous size n guard play were really solid at every position( thanks to oneil)
If they dont poop the bed against arkansas they are way elevated in the minds of MU fans. N Arkansas was severly under seeded everyone knew they would beat Penn State. Arkansas was still a big time program at the time having won the title in 94 and fresh off another final four in 95 and 3 ff in the last 6 years. Big time talent in fayetville back in those days
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I'm not arguing that they'd be good. But I'm arguing that they weren't one of the best teams in the last 25 years. But here's a fun drill, I've listed the 7 teams I argued at were better for sure. Tell me which of there you'd say the 96 team was better than that would move them from middle of the pack to one of the better teams.
96: 23-8
94: 24-9
02: 26-7
03: 27-6
08: 25-10
09: 25-10
12: 27-8
13: 26-9
For sure better than the '02, '08 and '09 teams. So sixth best team over last 25 years.
Sand Knit is right about this. That was a fun, hard nosed team.
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For sure better than the '02, '08 and '09 teams. So sixth best team over last 25 years.
Sand Knit is right about this. That was a fun, hard nosed team.
02 won the same amount of games as 03 in the regular season...
and are we talking 09 pre or post D James going down?
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02 won the same amount of games as 03 in the regular season...
and are we talking 09 pre or post D James going down?
Seasons are judged as a whole.
2002 was pretty much all Wade. Nowhere near as well rounded as '03
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96 team better than the 02 team , remeber that team had harris and others. Not that great of a team apart from wade.
96 better than the midgets team. Loved that team but 96 better
96 could have played with all those teams they had great size which would have created issues n tremendous guard play. Hutchins was as clutch a player as ive ever seen. Big shot? Hutch was stroking it
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96 team better than the 02 team , remeber that team had harris and others. Not that great of a team apart from wade.
96 better than the midgets team. Loved that team but 96 better
96 could have played with all those teams they had great size which would have created issues n tremendous guard play. Hutchins was as clutch a player as ive ever seen. Big shot? Hutch was stroking it
Midgets was not a team that I had listed.
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Crean sucks
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95 nit championship game was an absolute heart crusher. Pieper takes a text book charge to seal the game only to have a block called. The game hurt.
After a slow start that team ended the season playing fantastic basketball n it carried over into the next year.
I had one long sad train ride back to Connecticut after that one.
And there and to be VT alums in my train car.
Curse you Ace Custis!
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Here's how i judge it...
When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.
1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013
vs.
1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade. Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time
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Here's how i judge it...
When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.
1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013
vs.
1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade. Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time
No mention of last year or 93?
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Here's how i judge it...
When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.
1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013
vs.
1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade. Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time
This is pretty spot on. I had more belief in 2008, but otherwise I agree.
For me, it's the difference between the "if we get lucky a couple times" like we did in 2011 as opposed to the "this team can actually win some games" like 2003, 2012, and 2013.
This year was definitely hoping to get lucky, but if things break well, 2019 could be a win some games type team.
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Here's how i judge it...
When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.
1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013
vs.
1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade. Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time
2009? We were too underhanded and that caused us to struggle leading up to the tournament. Exact opposite of 1996.
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2009? We were too underhanded and that caused us to struggle leading up to the tournament. Exact opposite of 1996.
I still had hope then. All season until DJ's injury, that felt like THE year. Top-10, tops in the Big East. Yes, it all came crashing when James went down, and most of us knew he'd be less than 100% when he came back, but I was still hoping that if we got through the first weekend, maybe the extra week would help his recovery and we'd have a shot at the Final Four.
80% of that season we were legit title contenders. That season is actually what scares me most about 2018-19. On paper, it all looks really rosy, but hinges so much on that one crucial PG.
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I still had hope then. All season until DJ's injury, that felt like THE year. Top-10, tops in the Big East. Yes, it all came crashing when James went down, and most of us knew he'd be less than 100% when he came back, but I was still hoping that if we got through the first weekend, maybe the extra week would help his recovery and we'd have a shot at the Final Four.
80% of that season we were legit title contenders. That season is actually what scares me most about 2018-19. On paper, it all looks really rosy, but hinges so much on that one crucial PG.
With regards to 2009, I was talking pre James injury. I thought we were an E8 team.
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Here's how i judge it...
When did I think we could do serious damage in the Tourney.
1994
1996
2003
2009
2012
2013
vs.
1997 my senior year and I love Deane-o but sort of a miracle making the Dance
2002 was all Wade. Travis was not starting yet, exciting team but upperclassmen were average
2006 was a .500 team after beating UConn
2007 is the almost to the list but they were still only Sophomores
2008 I just didn't have a lot of faith in TC, the gig was up
2010 Smoke & Mirrors --- what a fun team
2011 9-9 team that got hot at right time
We were looking good in 06 until Jarel broke his hand right before the Pitt game. That changed the season.
2008 was a damn good team but Jarel decided to play hero ball down the stretch of regulation against Stanford and future NBA all-star Brook Lopez hit a great shot to win the game. Stanford had three future NBA players on that team; two of whom were first round picks. Most painful loss in my MU fandom.
We probably beat Mizzou in 2009 if Buzz hadn't put a 50% Dominic James out there.
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I thought that 2009 team had a great shot at a deep run in the tourney.
23-4, ranked 8th in the country heading into the UConn game that DJ injured his foot.
then facing a tough schedule without DJ, went 2-6 to close out the year.
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We were looking good in 06 until Jarel broke his hand right before the Pitt game. That changed the season.
2008 was a damn good team but Jarel decided to play hero ball down the stretch of regulation against Stanford and future NBA all-star Brook Lopez hit a great shot to win the game. Stanford had three future NBA players on that team; two of whom were first round picks. Most painful loss in my MU fandom.
We probably beat Mizzou in 2009 if Buzz hadn't put a 50% Dominic James out there.
Remeber jerel against villanova? Perhaps the most retarded 30 seconds of any college or even junior high players career on both ends of the court smh
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Remeber jerel against villanova? Perhaps the most retarded 30 seconds of any college or even junior high players career on both ends of the court smh
Nice.
Go back to the 1970s, douchebag.
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Nice.
Go back to the 1970s, douchebag.
The words people choose to use tell a lot about them and I believe douchebag is appropriate here. Thank you.
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The things that snowflakes choose to be outraged over is even moreso
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The things that snowflakes choose to be outraged over is even moreso
Dude. You're trying. You're not succeeding.
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The things that snowflakes choose to be outraged over is even moreso
I'm pretty sure snowflakes just melt when they come up against adversity. MU82, was calling out someone who said something he thought was wrong. Isn't that the opposite of what a snowflake would do?
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I'm pretty sure snowflakes just melt when they come up against adversity. MU82, was calling out someone who said something he thought was wrong. Isn't that the opposite of what a snowflake would do?
Just another anonymous internet thug.
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Just another anonymous internet thug.
People in glass houses...
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He passed on Wally Szerbiak (sp?) for John Polonowski and Chris Mimh for Greg Clausen. Oof.
Mihm's dad played tennis at Marquette.
I may have gotten the story jumbled in my head over the years, but I think Sczerbiak's dad reached out to Deane and said straight up that Wally wanted to play at MU. Deane passed.
My favorite Deane story, by far, was I heard he went up to a girl at Hegarty's and said, "Roses are red, violets are blue, if you have a fat ass, you go to MU."
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Mihm's dad played tennis at Marquette.
I may have gotten the story jumbled in my head over the years, but I think Sczerbiak's dad reached out to Deane and said straight up that Wally wanted to play at MU. Deane passed.
Correct on Wally, as Deane told Wally's dad he has this 6-8 kid in MI who averaged a double double. Polo. Nice kid, great student, successful as a PT, but as a basketball player, um....
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My favorite Deane story, by far, was I heard he went up to a girl at Hegarty's and said, "Roses are red, violets are blue, if you have a fat ass, you go to MU."
Unless you heard those words come straight from Mike Deane's lips, it's very rude of you (to both Mike Deane and Marquette students) to pass that on.
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Unless you heard those words come straight from Mike Deane's lips, it's very rude of you (to both Mike Deane and Marquette students) to pass that on.
Oh those words were 100% said. The mid to late 90s were really our glory years.
My favorite was the night the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI. MU had won earlier in the day @ De Paul...Mike is running around high fiving people about the big win and riding anyone who thought he was talking about GB. It was just classic Mike, effing with people.
The girls he would say that stuff to were girls he would be drinking with all year. They knew what was coming and they loved him --- he was like fun Uncle that your parents would prefer you don't drink with too much. Mike would also hand out $100 bills and make kids promise they'd buy a keg for kegs & eggs to pregame for the next home game.
Mike is one of a kind. Really good guy. Sure he had his issues but he took care of people. And yes, he was an absolute blast post game.
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His recruiting hurt him as the Oneil players left the program he beacme less and less successful.
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He means that as the players that O'Neill recruited to the program graduated, Deane wasn't able to replace them with similar talent.
For instance, the six top scorers on the 1996 team we are talking about, were all O'Neill signings. (Hutch was a freshman in Deane's first year, but I believe that O'Neill recruited him to MU.)
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Oh those words were 100% said. The mid to late 90s were really our glory years.
My favorite was the night the Packers won Super Bowl XXXI. MU had won earlier in the day @ De Paul...Mike is running around high fiving people about the big win and riding anyone who thought he was talking about GB. It was just classic Mike, effing with people.
The girls he would say that stuff to were girls he would be drinking with all year. They knew what was coming and they loved him --- he was like fun Uncle that your parents would prefer you don't drink with too much. Mike would also hand out $100 bills and make kids promise they'd buy a keg for kegs & eggs to pregame for the next home game.
Mike is one of a kind. Really good guy. Sure he had his issues but he took care of people. And yes, he was an absolute blast post game.
This was a good article about Deane prior to this season.
http://www.silive.com/sports/advance/gordon/index.ssf/2016/10/former_wagner_college_coach_mi.html
He really never abandoned his Rockland County ways. Hopefully he comes to the next Alumni game.
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He means that as the players that O'Neill recruited to the program graduated, Deane wasn't able to replace them with similar talent.
For instance, the six top scorers on the 1996 team we are talking about, were all O'Neill signings. (Hutch was a freshman in Deane's first year, but I believe that O'Neill recruited him to MU.)
Yep. KO's last class was Hutch, Zach McCall (a 6-3 forward who smoked himself out of MU) and Richard Shaw, who was just plain awful on the court and earned being called "Dick" with how he treated his fellow students. I always thought KO recruited Shaw knowing he was leaving MU before he ever had to coach him.
If Hutch and Deane hadn't developed such a contentious relationship when Hutch was a senior we may have made the tourney in 97-98.
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Yep. KO's last class was Hutch, Zach McCall (a 6-3 forward who smoked himself out of MU) and Richard Shaw, who was just plain awful on the court and earned being called "Dick" with how he treated his fellow students. I always thought KO recruited Shaw knowing he was leaving MU before he ever had to coach him.
If Hutch and Deane hadn't developed such a contentious relationship when Hutch was a senior we may have made the tourney in 97-98.
I suspect that Hutch's sickle cell health issues had a lot more to do with his performance as a senior.
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If Hutch and Deane hadn't developed such a contentious relationship when Hutch was a senior we may have made the tourney in 97-98.
That team started 10-0. Did something happen midseason?
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Yep. KO's last class was Hutch, Zach McCall (a 6-3 forward who smoked himself out of MU) and Richard Shaw, who was just plain awful on the court and earned being called "Dick" with how he treated his fellow students. I always thought KO recruited Shaw knowing he was leaving MU before he ever had to coach him.
If Hutch and Deane hadn't developed such a contentious relationship when Hutch was a senior we may have made the tourney in 97-98.
When KO left, the cupboard was incredibly full of talent: Eford, Miller, Gates, McCaskill, Hutch, Piep, Crawford, Abraham, McCall, Shaw & Joseph. As the wiki says, "Deane inherited five players (and one incoming recruit) who would finish their careers as 1,000-point scorers (two of which would go on to the NBA). " Deane really blew it.
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The Cords-Deane rift was a wide open gaping hole. This article eviscerates Cords, remembering many of the press and alums were Mike's drinking partners. Looking back, Cords is seen as the visionary and Deane as hitting his Peter Principle at MU.
http://journaltimes.com/sports/cords-deserves-blame-for-mu-s-fall-not-deane/article_978a7cbe-8dcd-5251-9292-3c18fcd27cb0.html
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The Cords-Deane rift was a wide open gaping hole. This article eviscerates Cords, remembering many of the press and alums were Mike's drinking partners. Looking back, Cords is seen as the visionary and Deane as hitting his Peter Principle at MU.
http://journaltimes.com/sports/cords-deserves-blame-for-mu-s-fall-not-deane/article_978a7cbe-8dcd-5251-9292-3c18fcd27cb0.html
Yeah, Cords was not popular for years but to his credit stuck to his vision and played grueling long game. It worked. Separately, back in the early (mid?) 90s the J-S did a feature on Bill and struggled to find anybody who would speak well of him on the record. But to Bill's credit he didn't care ... he plowed through it all and was relentless. And Karp .. yeah, well
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The Cords-Deane rift was a wide open gaping hole. This article eviscerates Cords, remembering many of the press and alums were Mike's drinking partners. Looking back, Cords is seen as the visionary and Deane as hitting his Peter Principle at MU.
http://journaltimes.com/sports/cords-deserves-blame-for-mu-s-fall-not-deane/article_978a7cbe-8dcd-5251-9292-3c18fcd27cb0.html
If I had any idea who Jerry Karpowicz is, that would be a fun link to send his way.
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If I had any idea who Jerry Karpowicz is, that would be a fun link to send his way.
Karp was never a fan of Cords, though I thought he appreciated KO's work more than this article indicates.
His was the perfect counterpoint to the columns D. Orlando Ledbetter used to pen from the J-S. He was passionate about MU needing to move on from Deane before it was cool. He got a lot of crap for that back in the day for arguing that MU's ceiling was higher than it realized, and it wouldn't reach it with Mike.
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The Cords-Deane rift was a wide open gaping hole. This article eviscerates Cords, remembering many of the press and alums were Mike's drinking partners. Looking back, Cords is seen as the visionary and Deane as hitting his Peter Principle at MU.
http://journaltimes.com/sports/cords-deserves-blame-for-mu-s-fall-not-deane/article_978a7cbe-8dcd-5251-9292-3c18fcd27cb0.html
Change the names and dates and I'd seat this was scoopers talking about the BOT and Buzz
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Deane really blew it.
So did KO looking back.
I appreciate your history here. It would be great if Chicos and Ners chimed in under whatever screen name they espouse currently, as they were also in the AD at this time.
Attaching nice, historical piece by Chicos on Cords...
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2006/10/my-years-with-bill-cords-personal.html
Best Deane-o quote heard (as he entered an establishment): "I need a drink here. I am so dry I am farting dust."
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Unless you heard those words come straight from Mike Deane's lips, it's very rude of you (to both Mike Deane and Marquette students) to pass that on.
El Dino said that. A lot.
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El Dino said that. A lot.
First time I met him I said nice to meet you Coach. He said don't ever call me that, call me Mike. I asked why, I assumed it was because I never played for him. Nope, he said:
"Because I'm an a$$hole and when you talk about me I don't want you denigrating the entire profession by saying...so coach said this and coach did that"
Mike owned it.
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Cords was socially inept. He got the job done i respect that and im guessing his bosses did as well. However, socially inept is putting it kindly. Inwas dumbfounded first time i spoke with him. After that i spoke with him a few times partially out of comedy and partially to reverify his ineptness. After that i just avoided him, too painful. Yes n bill cords n a microphone was a trainwreck.
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I suspect that Hutch's sickle cell health issues had a lot more to do with his performance as a senior.
Nah, that could be controlled. It was being managed for Hutch and he played with it during 1996-97, where he averaged 13 points a game and then 15 as a senior. The issue was he and Deane hated each other; Hutch claimed Deane was a racist and took his time coming back from injury, Deane sent coaches all over campus tracking Hutch to make sure he was going to class. Hutch took is time coming back from injury and we lost 5 of 7 after starting 10-0, with Wardle's game winner at Louisville being the highlight.
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Nah, that could be controlled. It was being managed for Hutch and he played with it during 1996-97, where he averaged 13 points a game and then 15 as a senior. The issue was he and Deane hated each other; Hutch claimed Deane was a racist and took his time coming back from injury, Deane sent coaches all over campus tracking Hutch to make sure he was going to class. Hutch took is time coming back from injury and we lost 5 of 7 after starting 10-0, with Wardle's game winner at Louisville being the highlight.
And Al said to Mike...you need him a lot more than he needs you, figure it out.
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Good story on the history of Deane , Izzo and Jud Heathcoate.
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2017/03/for_michigan_state_its_time_to.html
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And Al said to Mike...you need him a lot more than he needs you, figure it out.
Trust me, I wasn't taking Deane's side.
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Unless you heard those words come straight from Mike Deane's lips, it's very rude of you (to both Mike Deane and Marquette students) to pass that on.
No, it's not. It's a story on a sports message board in a thread about an old coach who was renowned for drunkenness and bad behavior. And, according to two other people on here, and those I personally know that heard it, Deane said it.
You want to pass judgment, pass it on "Dirty Mike Deane."
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No, it's not. It's a story on a sports message board in a thread about an old coach who was renowned for drunkenness and bad behavior. And, according to two other people on here, and those I personally know that heard it, Deane said it.
You want to pass judgment, pass it on "Dirty Mike Deane."
Umm his name was Dirty Mikey, not Dirty Mike Deane. I mean the internet police are out so we have to keep our facts straight. ;)
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Plus, I failed to mention that one of the people I heard it from was the girl (who was and 20+ years later is still very cute) Deane said it to at Hegartys.
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Dug up Mike's view of his Marquette days from Pipines' book...
https://books.google.com/books?id=7WR3lOb0GyEC&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=mike+deane+marquette&source=bl&ots=r1i0hyNRMl&sig=GFasR9UiQWNMsQnr6xaSotMwgCQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3gej-3PTTAhVHx2MKHW-5Aa8Q6AEISTAJ#v=onepage&q=mike%20deane%20marquette&f=false
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From page 105:
"I still believe that somewhere down the road, maybe not before my career is over, there is a Catholic School League that is going to evolve. That's going to include Midwestern schools like DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, Xavier with the non football-playing Eastern schools like Villanova, St. Johns and Georgetown."
It is kind of crazy that Deane predicted (what would become) the new Big East.
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From page 105:
"I still believe that somewhere down the road, maybe not before my career is over, there is a Catholic School League that is going to evolve. That's going to include Midwestern schools like DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, Xavier with the non football-playing Eastern schools like Villanova, St. Johns and Georgetown."
It is kind of crazy that Deane predicted (what would become) the new Big East.
Now the thread is good for another 10 pages on whether St. Louis should join the Big East. Thanks a lot.
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Now the thread is good for another 10 pages on whether St. Louis should join the Big East. Thanks a lot.
To be fair, back when Deane wrote this SLU was a better choice than Butler. Now? Not so much.
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I would've liked to see Deanes defense on that statement that we "should be happy to just make the tournament" nowadays.
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I would've liked to see Deanes defense on that statement that we "should be happy to just make the tournament" nowadays.
Context is always good. Remember that when Mike Deane said that he was working in the 1212 Building and practicing at the Old Gym. We were probably Top 75 in basketball operating budget. Now we're Top 5. What Mike did was wake up the Admin to realize our current path wasn't going to yield '77 results.
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Context is always good. Remember that when Mike Deane said that he was working in the 1212 Building and practicing at the Old Gym. We were probably Top 75 in basketball operating budget. Now we're Top 5. What Mike did was wake up the Admin to realize our current path wasn't going to yield '77 results.
You are giving him way too much credit. Marquette was already digging itself out of its '77 malaise with O'Neill and Cords and knew the path it had to take. It had positioned itself in a very good basketball conference and already started the plans to build the Al.
Deane said this purely to set the sights lower for his own benefit.
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Deane has been announced by MU as a panelist for the 100 year dinner in June. That's kind of amazing.
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Deane has been announced by MU as a panelist for the 100 year dinner in June. That's kind of amazing.
Please someone ask him about the just be happy to make the tournament quote.
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Please someone ask him about the just be happy to make the tournament quote.
Ironically in the same year we were just happy to make the tournament.
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I always am surprised at the kudo's that are thrown towards Bill Cords. There is a great deal of back story to the KO hiring and Cords had little to idea of what was going on. KO hiring was largely due to a group of former player and alumni that worked behind the scenes. It kind of was like when the Baltimore Colts bolted to Indy. One day Bill woke up and KO was going to be the coach.
I have nothing against Bill, even when he became AD at my kid's school, and feel he was a good man. Kind of reminds of me of Hank, a good man that maybe was misplaced in a role.
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I always am surprised at the kudo's that are thrown towards Bill Cords. There is a great deal of back story to the KO hiring and Cords had little to idea of what was going on. KO hiring was largely due to a group of former player and alumni that worked behind the scenes. It kind of was like when the Baltimore Colts bolted to Indy. One day Bill woke up and KO was going to be the coach.
I have nothing against Bill, even when he became AD at my kid's school, and feel he was a good man. Kind of reminds of me of Hank, a good man that maybe was misplaced in a role.
Never heard that KO hiring story. Cords did a good job of hiring Tom Crean, getting The Al built and getting MU into the BE. His big issue was that he was not a good public communicator.
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Never heard that KO hiring story. Cords did a good job of hiring Tom Crean, getting The Al built and getting MU into the BE. His big issue was that he was not a good public communicator.
Cords did a good job overall for MU. He understood all the intracies of college athletics that the average fan is not aware of.