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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: jesmu84 on April 14, 2017, 05:35:02 PM
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Trailer dropped today. Discuss
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Didn't grab me like last time. Until the last line.
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Boner alert
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Meh.
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Not a lot there for me. Best parts are Kylo Ren's shattered helmet and the last line.
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A teaser trailer is never going to reveal too much.
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granny's trying to maintain
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So let's re-discuss, new trailer dropped during another excruciating MNF game. Thoughts? Current excitement level?
I will say this, it looks like it will definitely be a departure from an Empire re-make though I certainly think there will be themes repeated (like the walker-snowspeeder clash that's clearly going to happen on sand instead of snow). Overall I'm very excited.
A couple of concerns: I'd like to see Luke at least in part, kick ass again but we may not get there. Also I'm kind of annoyed with all the new vehicles that get created (ala new Gorilla AT-ATs) like how are they developing all of these new vehicles all the damn time. I loved the lived-in environment of the original trilogy feels like we're getting further and further away from that as we create a whole bunch of vehicles that never show up in the original(Rogue One) and the original stuff doesn't show up in ST.
Discuss
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It is going to be darker. I think the crucial line was, and I am paraphrasing, this isn't going to turn out the way you think. I enjoyed the trailer and am looking forward to the movie, but I just have a feeling that a lot of red herrings were tossed out there and the trailer was edited to make you think in one direction, while the movie goes in a slightly different direction.
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**Spoiler alert** assuming this theory I have is correct.
Based on only what I've seen in trailers, etc.....I'm starting to think Rey is.......Rey Palpatine
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So here’s a wild thought. Carrie Fischer isn’t dead and it’s actually a huge Star Wars reveal that she’ll be in the next one
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So here’s a wild thought. Carrie Fischer isn’t dead and it’s actually a huge Star Wars reveal that she’ll be in the next one
Or maybe Princess Leia will be entirely CGI from here on out but - thanks to the miracle of genetic engineering - Chewbacca will be played by a living, cross-bred human-labradoodle abomination.
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**Spoiler alert** assuming this theory I have is correct.
Based on only what I've seen in trailers, etc.....I'm starting to think Rey is.......Rey Palpatine
Palpatine didn't have a first name until a few years ago when his name was revealed in a book published by...wait for it...Del REY Books. Coincidence? Probably.
(I'm honestly not sure what I just wrote but someone at work said that today and I just smiled and nodded)
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Palpatine didn't have a first name until a few years ago when his name was revealed in a book published by...wait for it...Del REY Books. Coincidence? Probably.
(I'm honestly not sure what I just wrote but someone at work said that today and I just smiled and nodded)
**Spoiler alert** assuming this theory I have is correct.
Based on only what I've seen in trailers, etc.....I'm starting to think Rey is.......Rey Palpatine
I'm believing this. Palpatine v. Skywalker is Star Wars.
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**Spoiler alert** assuming this theory I have is correct.
Based on only what I've seen in trailers, etc.....I'm starting to think Rey is.......Rey Palpatine
Plausible theory.
But then why would the Skywalker lightsaber "call" to her?
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Plausible theory.
But then why would the Skywalker lightsaber "call" to her?
Paging Dr. Phallus... Please report to the humor ward.
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Plausible theory.
But then why would the Skywalker lightsaber "call" to her?
Cause JJ Abrams
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Plausible theory.
But then why would the Skywalker lightsaber "call" to her?
But in all seriousness, cause she's also Skywalker.
Some sort of literal and figurative merging of the Force - the light and the dark, ending the Jedi and the Sith. It's not the means but the ends that matter.
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**Spoiler alert** assuming this theory I have is correct.
Based on only what I've seen in trailers, etc.....I'm starting to think Rey is.......Rey Palpatine
I'll see your theory and and raise you a theory.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/a/ae/EmperorPalpatine.png/revision/latest?cb=20160804021436) (https://assets-auto.rbl.ms/3b401583246d50412e540aded7ec78b929c1ced1f3a66aafef35aa6670ffaf76)
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This is the only theory I will ever need.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/
Snoke = Jar Jar
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1. Definitely going to be a dark movie.
2. ENG may be onto something with his theory. I honestly never considered it. And now I must unlearn it. Ahhhh!
3. I had heard the Jar Jar = super bad guy theory before. That would be a bold play to bring the whole saga to another level. Or it will completely destroy the franchise. Yoda worked because he was only a bubbling idiot for a short time before being revealed as the master. Jar Jar's bit played out way too long. But it explains why Dooku was such a throwaway character. I still think there was a huge missed opportunity with Darth Maul not playing a larger role in the prequels but too late to re-write that.
4. If Jar Jar is Sith, then the rule of 2 is completely contradicted. Three Sith in both TPM and AotC. That is a problem.
***Spoiler Alert*** Here's a theory:
I am hoping for force ghosts and lots of them. We know Yoda, Qui-Gon, Obi-wan, and Vader at a minimum are force ghosts. Let's see them play a role. Do not deny their existence and forget about them. What, the huge battle of good and evil is still going on and their going to sit this one out?
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***Spoiler Alert*** Here's a theory:
I am hoping for force ghosts and lots of them. We know Yoda, Qui-Gon, Obi-wan, and Vader at a minimum are force ghosts. Let's see them play a role. Do not deny their existence and forget about them. What, the huge battle of good and evil is still going on and their going to sit this one out?
I think there will be force ghosts....one of the things that seems to be popping up in canon of late is that objects can retain a sense of their original force user owner.
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***Spoiler alert***
Keeping on ENG's theory:
Rey is apparently born 11 years after the Battle of Endor. Presumably, Emprorer Palpatine dies during BoE. So Rey being a Palpatine would mean either: 1) Some sort of mitochlorian manipulation by a Force ghost or 2) Palpatine survived BoE.
I guess both are possible, given the way Star Wars takes leeway with making up whatever they want to plug plot holes. But if too much BS happens, the SW saga could devolve into an inconsistent mess. Tread carefully Disney.
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***Spoiler alert***
mitochlorian manipulation
GRRRRRR. I'm trying so hard to flush the prequels down the memory hole, it's painful to read that word again -- it's like nails on a chalkboard. George Lucas got lucky with ANH, almost torpedoed ROTJ, and then did his best to murder my childhood with the appalling Episodes 1-3. If you get the time and haven't seen Mr Plinket's takedown of the prequels, it is must-watch. I'll link below. As for the Last Jedi trailer, I dig. TFA was JJ Abrams repenting for Lucas' sins, so it had to be pretty vanilla. I still enjoyed it, but have found it doesn't hold up as well on repeated viewings. The trailer for The Last Jedi looks to take things up a notch -- Kylo extending a hand to a confused Rey, Luke (Mark Hamill) showing some emotion again, opening shot of Kylo overseeing the building of.......something. Hints of a good John Williams score that seemed to allude to the greatest SW piece ever, The Imperial March. My nips are hard. I'm in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsGP62b-2YQ
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***Spoiler alert***
Keeping on ENG's theory:
Rey is apparently born 11 years after the Battle of Endor. Presumably, Emprorer Palpatine dies during BoE. So Rey being a Palpatine would mean either: 1) Some sort of mitochlorian manipulation by a Force ghost or 2) Palpatine survived BoE.
I guess both are possible, given the way Star Wars takes leeway with making up whatever they want to plug plot holes. But if too much BS happens, the SW saga could devolve into an inconsistent mess. Tread carefully Disney.
Remember Anakin was a "virgin" birth, by the force. Who's to say Rey isn't as well?
I don't know the entire SW extended universe, but Palpatine may have survived. I do know that Darth Maul survives in the EU.
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A few more things... I think TLJ director put some things in the trailer to throw us off. I think there's a lot of editing done with audio and video to make things seem like they're back to back when they may not be - such as Kylo extending a hand, apparently to Rey.
As for Luke's statement about being afraid of someone's power... that can only be so many people. He's seen few with force abilities: Darth Vader (dead), Obi Wan (dead), Palpatine (presumed dead), Kylo, Yoda (dead). Of those, the "bad" guys were Palpatine and Kylo. At no point did it really seem as though he underestimated or changed his viewpoint on Palpatine's powers. So, it has to be Kylo, right?
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Yeah i think it's assumed to be Kylo, just because of the personal ineraction with Kylo (Ben Solo) as Luke was supposed to have trained him to be a Jedi. And if you watch the trailer again, as Luke is saying "I've seen this raw strength only once before" it cuts to the scene where Kylo presumably turns on Luke. This could be smoke, but I am guessing they are trying to imply that it's Kylo. As for the scene with Kylo extending his hand to Rey, I think the same thing is at play here. It may be different scenes cut together, but it certainly looks like the same location and regardless, the implication is that Rey is "lost" and is flirting with the dark side for guidance. Doesn't seem like a red herring to me. Communism was just a red herring.
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It is going to be darker. I think the crucial line was, and I am paraphrasing, this isn't going to turn out the way you think. I enjoyed the trailer and am looking forward to the movie, but I just have a feeling that a lot of red herrings were tossed out there and the trailer was edited to make you think in one direction, while the movie goes in a slightly different direction.
This totally.
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A few more things... I think TLJ director put some things in the trailer to throw us off. I think there's a lot of editing done with audio and video to make things seem like they're back to back when they may not be - such as Kylo extending a hand, apparently to Rey.
As for Luke's statement about being afraid of someone's power... that can only be so many people. He's seen few with force abilities: Darth Vader (dead), Obi Wan (dead), Palpatine (presumed dead), Kylo, Yoda (dead). Of those, the "bad" guys were Palpatine and Kylo. At no point did it really seem as though he underestimated or changed his viewpoint on Palpatine's powers. So, it has to be Kylo, right?
If you go back to RotJ, you make the assumption that Luke vastly under estimated what the Emperor was capable of. In fact, the only reason he lived is because Anakin fulfilled his destiny as the chosen one (destroying the Sith). This could also refer to his rushing out to face Vader in Empire.
I also think there is a large amount of misdirect in the trailer.....I don't think Rey and Kylo are talking to each other, I don't think Kylo is threatening to destroy Leia's ship, etc.
One other thing, we still haven't seen any footage of the new characters (Del Toro, Dern, Tran, etc) in any of the trailers. It will be interesting to see how much impact they have on the story line.
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If you go back to RotJ, you make the assumption that Luke vastly under estimated what the Emperor was capable of. In fact, the only reason he lived is because Anakin fulfilled his destiny as the chosen one (destroying the Sith). This could also refer to his rushing out to face Vader in Empire.
I think this is right (Luke rushing out to face Vader in Empire). Maybe this is a stupid, non-canon rationale, but I don't see Adam Driver's Kylo as the ultimate, unambiguous antagonist in this whole trilogy, and I don't think that's what Luke is referring to. Kylo's internal conflict vis-a-vis his parents and the force in each of his major scenes, yet the lack of time to actually develop him as a character and his influences that led him to the dark side (other than general angst reminiscent of his Girls character), indicates to me that he's more Obi Wan than Emperor/Annakin/Luke in terms of the trilogy's focus and importance. That's what made the teaser on turning Rey so interesting to me, in that she seems more positioned to play that type of role than Kylo.
::I acknowledge I'm far from the most knowledgeable about material other than the core films so far, so I will likely be corrected based on how Kylo is portrayed in other canon material.
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::I acknowledge I'm far from the most knowledgeable about material other than the core films so far, so I will likely be corrected based on how Kylo is portrayed in other canon material.
I struggle with the new canon as well. I had read every "Legacy" book there was right up until the craptacular New Jedi Order series came out. All of the X-Wing and Wraith Squadron stuff, obvi the Thrawn trilogy, etc. However, I started that when I was a teenager with seemingly infinite time on my hands. Now, I watch the movies and Rebels, and get an occasional book (just order the from a Certain Point of View book which I hear is great). So there is all this new canon that I just don't have the time to absorb and I'm worried I'm missing out.
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This totally.
I'll jump on board with this, too. Misdirection, left fielders playing very deep at all three OF positions, cats and dogs living together, etc. Not to mention the very dark darkness about to be bestowed upon the Star Wars universe. Rian Johnson is the perfect ringleader for the task. As Breaking Bad fans will recall, both the darkest/unexpected (Ozymandias) and most unorthodox (Fly) episodes of the entire series were directed by Johnson. This isn't going to go the way we think? I'll offer that I don't believe any of us could possibly think of the way this is going to go.
That said, I'll stick with my earlier theory and/or prediction that was in the Force Awakens thread. I think it was something to do with Anakin reincarnating as Rey or something.
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I'll jump on board with this, too. Misdirection, left fielders playing very deep at all three OF positions, cats and dogs living together, etc. Not to mention the very dark darkness about to be bestowed upon the Star Wars universe. Rian Johnson is the perfect ringleader for the task. As Breaking Bad fans will recall, both the darkest/unexpected (Ozymandias) and most unorthodox (Fly) episodes of the entire series were directed by Johnson. This isn't going to go the way we think? I'll offer that I don't believe any of us could possibly think of the way this is going to go.
That said, I'll stick with my earlier theory and/or prediction that was in the Force Awakens thread. I think it was something to do with Anakin reincarnating as Rey or something.
While I agree with everything you said, and welcome the darkness (insert John Williams cover of The Sound of Silence) the big concern I have with that is JJ being able to land the plane in IX. I don't think JJ can drink coffee(cause, ya know, he's not a closer). I'd feel way better if JJ was doing the Han Solo stand alone and Ron Howard had been brought on to close out the ST.
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I will say, Abrams doing IX has me a little concerned as well. At least he's only co-writing the script. If IX fizzles, it'll be as big of a let down as TPM.
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Why does everybody believe Rey could potentially turn to the dark? I believe that last frame indicates Kylo Ren will turn toward the light.
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Why does everybody believe Rey could potentially turn to the dark? I believe that last frame indicates Kylo Ren will turn toward the light.
I think it’s an interesting idea. Also could mean then that the title refers to Kyle as the last Jedi and then ties that with Luke’s line saying it’s time for the Jedi to end in the original trailer.
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I think it’s an interesting idea. Also could mean then that the title refers to Kyle as the last Jedi and then ties that with Luke’s line saying it’s time for the Jedi to end in the original trailer.
I agree.
Especially because they would never have an Irish dark side Jedi, so Kyle O'Ren must be redeemable.
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Why does everybody believe Rey could potentially turn to the dark? I believe that last frame indicates Kylo Ren will turn toward the light.
This would fit in nicely with my theme of Anakin (the Rick to Kylo's Morty) reincarnating as Rey. Which would explain that "thing" between them.
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Why does everybody believe Rey could potentially turn to the dark? I believe that last frame indicates Kylo Ren will turn toward the light.
I think Rey has to fall because ultimately in IX the Jedi and Sith are largely replaced by some new order(Grey Jedi or Bendu Jedi) who don't deny their emotional aspects.i think she and Kylo redeem themselves as greys....they find a middle path
I think Luke has found that the Jedi twisted the truth as much as the Sith so both orders must end
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I think Rey has to fall because ultimately in IX the Jedi and Sith are largely replaced by some new order(Grey Jedi or Bendu Jedi) who don't deny their emotional aspects.i think she and Kylo redeem themselves as greys....they find a middle path
I think Luke has found that the Jedi twisted the truth as much as the Sith so both orders must end
This is where my head is at as well.
The movie title refers to the singular form of Jedi. And Luke is the last one.
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I enjoyed the trailer and am looking forward to the movie, but I just have a feeling that a lot of red herrings were tossed out there and the trailer was edited to make you think in one direction, while the movie goes in a slightly different direction.
You know, I'm starting to wonder if TFA was full of red herrings. The big questions from TWA may have answers of little significance while the big reveals are things no one is even thinking about.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/starwars/status/925904402031898624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fstarwars%2Fstatus%2F925904402031898624
Luke's in the Falcon! And the radar gets blown off again.
How great is the R2 and Luke reunion going be?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/starwars/status/925904402031898624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fstarwars%2Fstatus%2F925904402031898624
Luke's in the Falcon! And the radar gets blown off again.
How great is the R2 and Luke reunion going be?
I missed the radar getting blown off in that trailer, go catch.
I don't think it's a mislead edit that Rey is standing over Luke when he says this isn't going to go how you think....interesting that it's in the trailer and the speculation it evokes.
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I missed the radar getting blown off in that trailer, go catch.
I don't think it's a mislead edit that Rey is standing over Luke when he says this isn't going to go how you think....interesting that it's in the trailer and the speculation it evokes.
I would guess it's a dream or part of her training.
If empire came out this year, the trailer would glimpse Luke's encounter with Vader on degobah
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I would guess it's a dream or part of her training.
If empire came out this year, the trailer would glimpse Luke's encounter with Vader on degobah
I'm guessing they are discussing Rey's desire to go after Snoke and they ultimately are caught. Story arc.
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Judging from the social media reactions of those who saw the world premiere, it is very, very good.
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Judging from the social media reactions of those who saw the world premiere, it is very, very good.
Was thinking the same thing. Haven't seen a single person say they disliked it, or were hoping for more, or that it "simply met expectations."
I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, but I'm hooked on seeing this thing early (if for no other reason than to prevent myself from being a spoilee).
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I probably won't see it before Christmas break. I doubt I will be able to avoid the spoilers that long.
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I've got tix for IMAX on Saturday morning.
I'll be sure to provide a full synopsis including spoilers, just for you guys.
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Fully torqued after the Twitter reactions. Hopefully see if after the weekend, Monday mid-day sounds ideal.
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I'm going Thursday night, can't wait!
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Thinking about going Friday around noon. Gotta get my ducks in a row, though.
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Just bought tickets for Friday morning.
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I'll be going in a month when the hype dies down and I dont have 50 people sitting a foot from me.
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I'm going Saturday morning. Trying to stay calm.
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FYI - the initial reviews have come in and they are overwhelmingly positive. Many say the only better Star Wars movie was Empire.
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FYI - the initial reviews have come in and they are overwhelmingly positive. Many say the only better Star Wars movie was Empire.
Many say it's better than Empire.
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The two and a half hour run time is a little concerning, sometimes trying to squeeze too much in hurts the overall picture.
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I've actually vacated social media for the time being just to avoid any spoilers. I'm totally stoked for this movie, seeing it early Friday afternoon.
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Just picked up Sat morniig tickets. In 3D, evidently.
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The two and a half hour run time is a little concerning, sometimes trying to squeeze too much in hurts the overall picture.
RotJ has a run time of was 2hrs 12 min, which for 1983 seems like it would have been really really long. If it's quality, I don't mind. Also TFA didn't do TLJ any favors in terms of story set up so I'm guessing the first 20 minutes of TLJ is a lot of exposition to see how we get there.
I'm also really curious to see how they handle the crawl...do they do a cold open on Actoo and then go to the crawl to advance the timeline or do they leave the crawl in front, but since this picks up right after the end of TFA not sure what they put in the crawl.
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Just picked up Sat morniig tickets. In 3D, evidently.
If 3D is anything like VII, you'll want to go back and watch it again in regular. I made the same mistake, and it was so gimmicky that it detracted from the overall quality. Legitimately one good 3D sequence involving a star destroyer.
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If 3D is anything like VII, you'll want to go back and watch it again in regular. I made the same mistake, and it was so gimmicky that it detracted from the overall quality. Legitimately one good 3D sequence involving a star destroyer.
I hate 3D movies -- particularly live action 3D. It always looks like crap to me, and really kills the experience. I know that some people literally can't experience the 3D, and I'm not one of those. But perhaps there's something about my vision that screws it up for me to a lesser extent.
I think my brother bought tickets for us to go watch the movie this weekend. I really hope he didn't spring for 3D.
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I hate 3D movies -- particularly live action 3D. It always looks like crap to me, and really kills the experience. I know that some people literally can't experience the 3D, and I'm not one of those. But perhaps there's something about my vision that screws it up for me to a lesser extent.
I think my brother bought tickets for us to go watch the movie this weekend. I really hope he didn't spring for 3D.
I'm not a big fan of 3D either... I didn't realize those were the tickets I bought until it was too late. I did see GotG in "4D" this summer after having already seen it the week prior in 2D, and to be honest, I didn't think it was that bad... although I heard the same thing you said about how people found it distracting.
I figure I can always take the 3D glasses off and pretend I forgot to put contacts in.
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Yeah, can't stand 3D for several reasons: I don't think it really contributes to the enjoyment of a movie (if it's a video game it's a whole other conversation) and while this may seem stupid, even though I don't have glasses or contacts I hate wearing the 3D glasses. I use my peripherals a lot (meaning I look without turning my head - has to do with learning to maintain visual contact with an object while still maintaining awareness of my environment) and as a result I will be walking a movie and glance at something to the side of the screen and I'll go from looking through the glasses to looking around them and it is very jarring and will give me a headache if I do it enough.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/12/14/why-anakin-skywalker-shouldve-been-removed-jedi-order-sexual-harassment/924410001
I'm just going to leave this one out there for those needing a break from the anticipation.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/12/14/why-anakin-skywalker-shouldve-been-removed-jedi-order-sexual-harassment/924410001
I'm just going to leave this one out there for those needing a break from the anticipation.
I agree with this theory.
Only because it would have spared us from any further of George Lucas' painfully inept dialog. My dog could write more believable love scenes.
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I just got home and really enjoyed it. Only gripe is that it's nearly 2.5 hours long. I think they could have cut at least 15-20 minutes as it kind of dragged a little in the beginning. I won't discuss what happened right now as I don't want to spoil it for those who will go see it.
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I enjoyed it more than TFA.
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Good movie. Lacked the satisfaction I wanted, but that's kind of the point.
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It'll do. Wasn't boring.
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It'll do. Wasn't boring.
Yep.
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Scoop has some of the harshest movie critics in the country.
Then again, my reaction after almost every movie I watch is usually "Yea, it was pretty good." Takes something ridiculously special for me to love or hate a movie.
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Hated how Rey and Kylo got married at the end. Nothing against Kylo Ren - Rey Ren just doesn't roll off the tongue.
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I really enjoyed it. I won't do spoilers, but I wanted some of the fates to come about in a different fashion. I have some problems with what is left for IX. And, because of Carrie's untimely death, they have painted themselves into a corner. Enjoyable A-.
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Scoop has some of the harshest movie critics in the country.
Then again, my reaction after almost every movie I watch is usually "Yea, it was pretty good." Takes something ridiculously special for me to love or hate a movie.
Let me clarify, I think it's a good movie, one of the best Star Wars films
Things didn't happen that I wanted and the movie made we wanting more, which is irritating.
I'm overwhelmed and underwhelmed at the same time.
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Let me clarify, I think it's a good movie, one of the best Star Wars films
Things didn't happen that I wanted and the movie made we wanting more, which is irritating.
I'm overwhelmed and underwhelmed at the same time.
Im pretty much here myself...it was amazing but it wasn't what I wanted. I will reserve all other discussion until we're clear of spoiler concerns
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Some very cool moments, but overall not what I was hoping for. Right now I'd put it down with the prequels. We'll see if it improves with time or the next one.
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So, I'm seeing tomorrow morning.
For anti-spoiler reasons...
When are we permitted to discuss in-depth?
Once the decision is made, I'll adjust the thread title so everyone knows spoilers may be within
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Some very cool moments, but overall not what I was hoping for. Right now I'd put it down with the prequels. We'll see if it improves with time or the next one.
I agree. As a standalone movie, I think it was really good. I just think it was kind of a letdown after where TFA set things up.
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Saw it today. Mostly was entertained, which is why I go to movies. Have a few quibbles, including one major one. I'll wait to discuss more until we get to the Spoilers R Us version of this.
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He's my thing, I think if I talk through it with folks i might really get behind it. Thought there was one major hole that i need to be talked off a cliff on otherwise Im getting more and more behind it