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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 29, 2017, 08:44:59 AM
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https://painttouches.com/2017/03/29/ncaa-transfer-tracker-march-28th-edition/
First edition of the transfer tracker. No grad transfers, we're all about traditional here (with no racial undertones).
A note, this article was written yesterday morning....and as usual a bunch of new transfers popped up later that day making this list outdated. Still some good information in there and those that popped up will be on next week's edition!
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https://painttouches.com/2017/03/29/ncaa-transfer-tracker-march-28th-edition/
First edition of the transfer tracker. No grad transfers, we're all about traditional here (with no racial undertones).
A note, this article was written yesterday morning....and as usual a bunch of new transfers popped up later that day making this list outdated. Still some good information in there and those that popped up will be on next week's edition!
I think we should call it the Transfer Window
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Is this a list of best available transfers, or a list of best available transfers that Marquette is pursuing?
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Is this a list of best available transfers, or a list of best available transfers that Marquette is pursuing?
Transfers. I am not inside enough to know who marquette is pursuing. I also doubt we'd go after more than a few transfers at a time.
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Give me Mike Lewis (traditional transfer), Al Freeman (Grad trasnfer), and one of Jamerl Baker, Clifton Moore, Greg Elliot (in that order of preference for the freshman), or another grad transfer big, and lets go to battle.
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Give me Mike Lewis (traditional transfer), Al Freeman (Grad trasnfer), and one of Jamerl Baker, Clifton Moore, Greg Elliot (in that order of preference for the freshman), or another grad transfer big, and lets go to battle.
Sort of an all you can eat buffet, hey?
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More St John's transfers:
@AdamZagoria: Darien Williams and Malik Ellison are transferring from @StJohnsBBall , per the school.
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Sort of an all you can eat buffet, hey?
Sure. Burning scholarships is dumb. Sometimes is works out (see Froling), but more often, you burn it for no reason. Plus mid year transfers aren't great situations anyway. Its always better to use what you have allotted to you.
More St John's transfers:
@AdamZagoria: Darien Williams and Malik Ellison are transferring from @StJohnsBBall , per the school.
A little surprised about Ellison, but with Ponds and Lovett, back court minutes hard to come by.
Guessing Darien Williams will be eligible immediately.
Obviously neither will be options for MU.
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I wonder if Wojo uses redshirting as a tool to lure transfers like Gonzaga does: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-unsung-secret-to-gonzagas-success-is-something-nobody-really-wants-152315953.html
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More St John's transfers:
@AdamZagoria: Darien Williams and Malik Ellison are transferring from @StJohnsBBall , per the school.
When Henry & Wally were here, playing St. John's was infuriating if you were listening on the radio or distracted from your TV.
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I wonder if Wojo uses redshirting as a tool to lure transfers like Gonzaga does: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-unsung-secret-to-gonzagas-success-is-something-nobody-really-wants-152315953.html
Have always believed that the redshirt is criminally underused in college basketball. I think if you are using all 13 of your scholarships, at least two should be redshirts.
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Have always believed that the redshirt is criminally underused in college basketball. I think if you are using all 13 of your scholarships, at least two should be redshirts.
True, but no kids really want to redshirt unless they have to (transfer).
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True, but no kids really want to redshirt unless they have to (transfer).
Would be great to see Anim really take a step forward. Coupled with the contributions Luke and Rowsey made after sitting out, it could become a big selling point.
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True, but no kids really want to redshirt unless they have to (transfer).
I've wondered about Froling--would it be better for us to have him sit out the second semester next year, to retain a year of eligibility on the back-end? Its an interesting proposition. While having him to pair with Heldt during BE play next year would be nice, it might be better to trade the semester of play now for another year in '20-'21.
Now, to JJJJ's point, I don't know if he'd want to do that, after already sitting out one year. But, I wonder whether it is better for the team to trade a semester of eligibility now for a year of eligibility later.
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I've wondered about Froling--would it be better for us to have him sit out the second semester next year, to retain a year of eligibility on the back-end? Its an interesting proposition. While having him to pair with Heldt during BE play next year would be nice, it might be better to trade the semester of play now for another year in '20-'21.
Now, to JJJJ's point, I don't know if he'd want to do that, after already sitting out one year. But, I wonder whether it is better for the team to trade a semester of eligibility now for a year of eligibility later.
With the current roster make up, no way.
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I've wondered about Froling--would it be better for us to have him sit out the second semester next year, to retain a year of eligibility on the back-end?
I really don't think it's that big of a deal. Luke transferring midseason only cost him 8 games. As much as it's considered missing half a season, it's about 25-30% at most.
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I really don't think it's that big of a deal. Luke transferring midseason only cost him 8 games. As much as it's considered missing half a season, it's about 25-30% at most.
That's a good point.
I do think that there is some loss in not having as much opportunity to find how he'll fit into the rotation against real opponents--a few buy-games doesn't give that much input.
I would like to see us continue to utilize the red-shirt regularly--Ike Eke seems like another potential fit for next year.
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I would like to see us continue to utilize the red-shirt regularly--Ike Eke seems like another potential fit for next year.
I definitely agree. Eke is a great candidate if our roster allows. But with a guy like Froling, you take someone that has no chance to graduate before he's done playing basketball, to a 50/50 shot he leaves before his last year. It's just he way of college hoops these days. Not worth it over 9-10 noncon games.
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I think Froling is able to play in the closed door scrimmages right? I wonder if we do two of those to get him more game situations. Or is he allowed to play in the exhibition? I don't think he is.
I think Eke would be a good candidate as he seems raw and needs to bulk up. I'm pretty high on John.
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https://painttouches.com/2017/03/29/ncaa-transfer-tracker-march-28th-edition/
First edition of the transfer tracker. No grad transfers, we're all about traditional here (with no racial undertones).
A note, this article was written yesterday morning....and as usual a bunch of new transfers popped up later that day making this list outdated. Still some good information in there and those that popped up will be on next week's edition!
Thanks for compiling this.
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Ed Morrow is leaving Nebraska. Would love if came to MU. Tough big that can rebound, defend, and score around the rim.
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I think Froling is able to play in the closed door scrimmages right? I wonder if we do two of those to get him more game situations. Or is he allowed to play in the exhibition? I don't think he is.
I think Eke would be a good candidate as he seems raw and needs to bulk up. I'm pretty high on John.
Only the ones that the committee doesn't count when considering bids and seeds.
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Ed Morrow is leaving Nebraska. Would love if came to MU. Tough big that can rebound, defend, and score around the rim.
Grad Transfer or a regular transfer?
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Ed Morrow is leaving Nebraska. Would love if came to MU. Tough big that can rebound, defend, and score around the rim.
Murrow would be a fantastic get.
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More St John's transfers:
@AdamZagoria: Darien Williams and Malik Ellison are transferring from @StJohnsBBall , per the school.
Ellinsons don't stay in one place very long.
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Grad Transfer or a regular transfer?
Regular. He'd be a Junior after sitting out a year.
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I still think I like Shayok best, although I fully acknowledge that might be because I am most familiar with him. I think his game would translate very well to Wojo's offense, he handles the ball quite well and he is a long, quick defender.
I know we'd only get him for one year, and I also know getting him might mean somebody gets recruited over. But I want to make the Final Four (we all do), and I think he could have a profound impact on what should be a very, very good 2018-19 team.
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I really don't think it's that big of a deal. Luke transferring midseason only cost him 8 games. As much as it's considered missing half a season, it's about 25-30% at most.
Your calculations are off. Luke played about 8 games at Indiana before transferring. After red shirting, he then played 2 & 1/2 years for MU. So 3 years of playing total. He lost a year of playing by transferring mid season. Had he played a full year at Indiana before transferring he would have had 3 full years at MU.
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Your calculations are off. Luke played about 8 games at Indiana before transferring. After red shirting, he then played 2 & 1/2 years for MU. So 3 years of playing total. He lost a year of playing by transferring mid season. Had he played a full year at Indiana before transferring he would have had 3 full years at MU.
I was strictly looking at it through Marquette's eyes. The net gain for us was 2 & 3/4 years vs 3 years. Really not that big a difference.
Anyone that transfers mid season loses a lot more on the front end than the back end. But overall, starting play at the midway point of the new destination versus sitting out the full year and a half doesn't really make a big difference in terms of play time for the second school.
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Murrow would be a fantastic get.
Tweet today saying that Marquette is being mentioned along with Nova and Butler.
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Tweet today saying that Marquette is being mentioned along with Nova and Butler.
Murrow + Egor + PG transfer would be me very very excited.
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Tweet today saying that Marquette is being mentioned along with Nova and Butler.
Care to share the tweet?
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Care to share the tweet?
https://twitter.com/ericnscottsdale/status/847239729275748352
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https://twitter.com/ericnscottsdale/status/847239729275748352
Would love for this to be true, although looking through the accounts other tweets he doesn't seem like the most reputable source.
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https://twitter.com/ericnscottsdale/status/847239729275748352
Thanks. Man would that be awesome. I work with a guy who was childhood best friends with Tim Miles. They still talk frequently, and naturally he is a big Nebraska fan. He loves Murrow and was devastated by the news. Beyond Murrow being a fantastic get for basketball purposes, there would be a little icing on the cake personally!
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Thanks. Man would that be awesome. I work with a guy who was childhood best friends with Tim Miles. They still talk frequently, and naturally he is a big Nebraska fan. He loves Murrow and was devastated by the news. Beyond Murrow being a fantastic get for basketball purposes, there would be a little icing on the cake personally!
Miles was on extremely thin ice at the end of the season and NU went one and done in the B1G tourney. 5 min later the AD tweeted support for Miles for next season, but didn't extend his contract. Morrow is a legacy there as his dad played football and his mom played basketball for the Huskers. He was one of their best returning players, so it was a huge shock when he announced the transfer. Miles is now a dead man walking, and beyond an improbable NCAA tourney bid, he's gone. Morrow stated he wants to play on the wing as a 3 or stretch 4, but he can't dribble or shoot so I'm assuming there is much more to the story than that. He'd bring a much needed junkyard dog attitude with him if he came to MU and I hope he does.
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Miles was on extremely thin ice at the end of the season and NU went one and done in the B1G tourney. 5 min later the AD tweeted support for Miles for next season, but didn't extend his contract. Morrow is a legacy there as his dad played football and his mom played basketball for the Huskers. He was one of their best returning players, so it was a huge shock when he announced the transfer. Miles is now a dead man walking, and beyond an improbable NCAA tourney bid, he's gone. Morrow stated he wants to play on the wing as a 3 or stretch 4, but he can't dribble or shoot so I'm assuming there is much more to the story than that. He'd bring a much needed junkyard dog attitude with him if he came to MU and I hope he does.
Yah, told Miles he didn't want to play the 5 and needed to be promised minutes at the 4.
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Yah, told Miles he didn't want to play the 5 and needed to be promised minutes at the 4.
Copeland from Gtown transferred there, so I'm guessing he will be their 4. He's more of a jump shooter, so Morrow would be a 5 if they were on the floor at the same time. If Morrow is really considering MU and Nova, then I don't buy the reasoning of wanting to be on the outside. There's no way he's anything but an inside player at either of those schools in my opinion.
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Copeland from Gtown transferred there, so I'm guessing he will be their 4. He's more of a jump shooter, so Morrow would be a 5 if they were on the floor at the same time. If Morrow is really considering MU and Nova, then I don't buy the reasoning of wanting to be on the outside. There's no way he's anything but an inside player at either of those schools in my opinion.
He is prototypical 4. I think Wojo could sell him on playing the 4.
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I guess Noah Dickerson's transfer from Washington is not official. He
would be a player to pursue. 6-8, 230 PF. 12.5 pts and 8 rebs a game.
Good athlete. Got to have the ball if you want to score. Big dude with
muscle would fit in the BE.
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I guess Noah Dickerson's transfer from Washington is not official. He
would be a player to pursue. 6-8, 230 PF. 12.5 pts and 8 rebs a game.
Good athlete. Got to have the ball if you want to score. Big dude with
muscle would fit in the BE.
He would be a good get. But I'm not as sold as others. He's really poor defensively. He put up big numbers but part of that is because there was no one else on his team played in the post.
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https://twitter.com/ericnscottsdale/status/847239729275748352
This guy is as reliable a source as MUFINY is related to every player we've ever recruited.
From a transfer standpoint I'd personally prefer Brown, Jeter, Egor, Mack: knowing our best shot would be with Egor.
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He is prototypical 4. I think Wojo could sell him on playing the 4.
I don't know enough about his game - could share the floor with Heldtasaurus in Wojo's system?
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This guy is as reliable a source as MUFINY is related to every player we've ever recruited.
From a transfer standpoint I'd personally prefer Brown, Jeter, Egor, Mack: knowing our best shot would be with Egor.
Nevermind. Figured out it is Chase Jeter.
Who is Jeter?
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I don't know enough about his game - could share the floor with Heldtasaurus in Wojo's system?
Yes. Very different players.
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Kevin GormanVerified account @KGorman_Trib
BREAKING: Cameron Johnson, Pitt's top returning scorer, has asked for a release from his scholarship so he can transfer, per his father, Gil
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Kevin GormanVerified account @KGorman_Trib
BREAKING: Cameron Johnson, Pitt's top returning scorer, has asked for a release from his scholarship so he can transfer, per his father, Gil
Johnson is a graduate transfer. Will be eligible immediately, may have two years to play (he only played 7 games in 2014-15 due to injury).
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Johnson is a graduate transfer. Will be eligible immediately, may have two years to play (he only played 7 games in 2014-15 due to injury).
According to this research report, Johnson had a breakout season last year. He would fit here perfectly.
http://www.cardiachill.com/2017/4/1/15148646/cameron-johnson-transferring-pitt-basketball-pittsburgh-panthers-kevin-stallings-transfers
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Johnson is a graduate transfer. Will be eligible immediately, may have two years to play (he only played 7 games in 2014-15 due to injury).
He should have two years, no problema. Received a medical hardship waiver (actually played in 8 games vs. 7, but all in the front half of the year and was incapacitated for the remainder of the year.
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According to this research report, Johnson had a breakout season last year. He would fit here perfectly.
http://www.cardiachill.com/2017/4/1/15148646/cameron-johnson-transferring-pitt-basketball-pittsburgh-panthers-kevin-stallings-transfers
Maybe. But because he has two years left he takes up a schollie for 2018. Have to be careful. It limits the other players you can go after
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Maybe. But because he has two years left he takes up a schollie for 2018. Have to be careful. It limits the other players you can go after
And he may have some positional overlap with a fairly important 2018 target...
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Marques Bolden from Duke is transferring. Former 5 star recruit AND mcdonald's all american. ESPN had him listed as the 8th best recruit of 2016 and the best center
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Marques Bolden from Duke is transferring. Former 5 star recruit AND mcdonald's all american. ESPN had him listed as the 8th best recruit of 2016 and the best center
Man, how many returning players is Duke gonna have? Not many. It's been a mass exodus between transfers and going pro.
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Man, how many returning players is Duke gonna have? Not many. It's been a mass exodus between transfers and going pro.
I feel like he would have had a big role on the team this upcoming season.
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Man, how many returning players is Duke gonna have? Not many. It's been a mass exodus between transfers and going pro.
They're really tripping over themselves to get out of there
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I feel like he would have had a big role on the team this upcoming season.
If by "big role on the team this upcoming season" you mean being an important opposing player for the scout team we agree.
Not to mention he's transferring somewhere in TX.
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We have to be somewhat judicious.....
We have 3.....But really none next year with the Rousey/Bailey switch.....
So if we take 3 this year.....At least one has to be a grad transfer because we absolutely need to leave one available for Joey.....
And probably 2 because we are on some very high level kids for next year......
Plus WOJO needs to balance out the classes......
Best case scenario is to have 3 available each year......
That is why I think Xavier will be OK next year but not great......Sure a great recruiting class......But 6 freshman is like St. John's lite......Will be Chris Mack's hardest coaching year especially if Bluett follows Sumner.....
On the positive side.....When you do have to be judicious.....You are getting players you want as opposed to having to settle......
What we really need is Elliott and 2 grad transfers that can play one and done.....No way WOJO takes a 1 year sit transfer.....Got to have the flexibility.....
People think next years team will just be OK.....If we can move up 100 places on defense.....With our offense......We will be 2nd round or even possible Sweet 16......Mark it down.....
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We have to be somewhat judicious.....
We have 3.....But really none next year with the Rousey/Bailey switch.....
So if we take 3 this year.....At least one has to be a grad transfer because we absolutely need to leave one available for Joey.....
And probably 2 because we are on some very high level kids for next year......
Plus WOJO needs to balance out the classes......
Best case scenario is to have 3 available each year......
That is why I think Xavier will be OK next year but not great......Sure a great recruiting class......But 6 freshman is like St. John's lite......Will be Chris Mack's hardest coaching year especially if Bluett follows Sumner.....
On the positive side.....When you do have to be judicious.....You are getting players you want as opposed to having to settle......
What we really need is Elliott and 2 grad transfers that can play one and done.....No way WOJO takes a 1 year sit transfer.....Got to have the flexibility.....
People think next years team will just be OK.....If we can move up 100 places on defense.....With our offense......We will be 2nd round or even possible Sweet 16......Mark it down.....
Move up 100 places defensively? Book your tickets to San Antonio if that's the case.
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I read over the weekend that UConn has two players who announced their intent to transfer and a third who was supposed to be a Freshman in 2016-17, but was injured before the season and missed the entire season also announced.
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Man, how many returning players is Duke gonna have? Not many. It's been a mass exodus between transfers and going pro.
Yeah, so many departures ... what a crappy program!
I doubt K will find anybody to take their places. He and his staff have proven over and over again that they can't recruit for shyte.
(I know that's not what you're sayin' JJJJJ. Boyz just wanna have fun.)
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Yeah, so many departures ... what a crappy program!
I doubt K will find anybody to take their places. He and his staff have proven over and over again that they can't recruit for shyte.
(I know that's not what you're sayin' JJJJJ. Boyz just wanna have fun.)
Wojo's mind games are nothing compared to Coach K's! Few can demotivate like the AmEx Assassin!
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Yeah, so many departures ... what a crappy program!
I doubt K will find anybody to take their places. He and his staff have proven over and over again that they can't recruit for shyte.
(I know that's not what you're sayin' JJJJJ. Boyz just wanna have fun.)
Yah, not at all what I said.
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Move up 100 places defensively? Book your tickets to San Antonio if that's the case.
I wouldn't count on it...if we move up 100 spots in defensive efficiency and made it to San Antonio, we would be the worst rated defensive team to make the Final Four since VCU in 2011.
In the entire 16 years Pomeroy has been doing rankings, VCU is one of only two teams to reach the Final Four that would have a lower ranked defensive efficiency than if Marquette were to get there while improving their ranking by only 100 spots next year. The other? Marquette in 2003, which was the worst ranked defensive efficiency team to make the Final Four in his metric's history.
Suffice to say, our defense has a long way to go before we should consider ourselves Final Four caliber.
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I wouldn't count on it...if we move up 100 spots in defensive efficiency and made it to San Antonio, we would be the worst rated defensive team to make the Final Four since VCU in 2011.
In the entire 16 years Pomeroy has been doing rankings, VCU is one of only two teams to reach the Final Four that would have a lower ranked defensive efficiency than if Marquette were to get there while improving their ranking by only 100 spots next year. The other? Marquette in 2003, which was the worst ranked defensive efficiency team to make the Final Four in his metric's history.
Suffice to say, our defense has a long way to go before we should consider ourselves Final Four caliber.
For funsies I looked to see what team this year matched this profile. A top 10 offense with a defense in the mid 60s (100 higher than our adjD of 165). Closest match I found was Michigan. #4 offense and #70 defense. Not a final four team but I certainly wouldn't mind having their season next year.
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Mikey Dixon is a name that will be on the next transfer tracka. FR PG from Quinnipiac. Could be a fit to replace Rowsey. Like him better than Lewis personally
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Mikey Dixon is a name that will be on the next transfer tracka. FR PG from Quinnipiac. Could be a fit to replace Rowsey. Like him better than Lewis personally
Yep. Guy's a stud. Visiting SJU this weekend, but not exactly a bunch of great programs after him so far.
Quinnipiac transfer Mikey Dixon tells me he's received offers from St. John's, PSU, UMass, & USD. Visits St. John's this weekend. #SJUBB
-Jon Rothstein
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UConn freshman big man Juwan Durham is transferring. Shot a higher percentage from three than Markus Howard this past season...
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UConn freshman big man Juwan Durham is transferring. Shot a higher percentage from three than Markus Howard this past season...
2-2.....
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2-2.....
I knew it'd get someone to look ;D
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I knew it'd get someone to look ;D
Another dude I would add to the list of intriguing names though. Former top 60 guy.
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Another dude I would add to the list of intriguing names though. Former top 60 guy.
I never know what to do with guys like Juwan Durham. Highly sought after out of high school. Never did anything in college to justify the ranking. Couple of guys like that this year, Jalen Poyser, Troy Baxter, Steve Enoch, Jethro Tshiumpa. Funny that 2 are from UConn and 2 are from UNLV.
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I never know what to do with guys like Juwan Durham. Highly sought after out of high school. Never did anything in college to justify the ranking. Couple of guys like that this year, Jalen Poyser, Troy Baxter, Steve Enoch, Jethro Tshiumpa. Funny that 2 are from UConn and 2 are from UNLV.
Often makes me wonder if that's a recruiting failure by the staff. Maybe they just bought into guys that the rankings gurus liked but better coaches realized just weren't that good?
Reminds me of guys Buzz brought in like Erik Williams and Jamail Jones, who were highly rated but never did anything to justify those rankings.
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I never know what to do with guys like Juwan Durham. Highly sought after out of high school. Never did anything in college to justify the ranking. Couple of guys like that this year, Jalen Poyser, Troy Baxter, Steve Enoch, Jethro Tshiumpa. Funny that 2 are from UConn and 2 are from UNLV.
Yah, but pretty mcuh all of those guys are project types. Maybe they just weren't yet ready to play high level D1 basketball, so their coaches sat them, and therefore pissed the player off in the meantime. And UCONN and UNLV are dumpster fires right now.
All of those guys would be great transfer candidates as they year off should help their development. Big men generally don't come into college and polished players. The ones that do are 1 and dones.
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Butler and Creigton have had success with conventional transfers in recent years. Would be interesting to see who they are targeting .
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Yah, but pretty mcuh all of those guys are project types. Maybe they just weren't yet ready to play high level D1 basketball, so their coaches sat them, and therefore pissed the player off in the meantime. And UCONN and UNLV are dumpster fires right now.
All of those guys would be great transfer candidates as they year off should help their development. Big men generally don't come into college and polished players. The ones that do are 1 and dones.
The bolded is what gives me a lot of pause. Chase Jeter and Matt Ryan not getting playing time at Duke and Notre Dame is one thing. But top 100 players not getting playing time at programs in down years like UNLV or UConn? That makes me lean more towards overranked out of high school.
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Bolden IS returning to Duke next year according to ESPN
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Kansas big man Carlton Bragg Jr is transferring
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Goodman is supposed to release his transfer list this week. At this point, there are so many names, I've completely lost track.
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I wish JJJ were only a junior so we could have a bunch of Scoopers speculating on him transferring again. Those were such fun times!
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I wish JJJ were only a junior so we could have a bunch of Scoopers speculating on him transferring again. Those were such fun times!
I guarantee JJ won't be back next year! He's been demotivated enough, nothing Wojo can do will keep him around!
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Kansas big man Carlton Bragg Jr is transferring
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Goodman is supposed to release his transfer list this week. At this point, there are so many names, I've completely lost track.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2017
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Richard Freudenberg of St Johns is transferring, didn't really do anything for the johnnies
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Kansas big man Carlton Bragg Jr is transferring
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Kansas big man Carlton Bragg Jr is transferring
But are we interested?
In January, Bragg was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and was suspended three games.
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But are we interested?
Doubt it.
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But are we interested?
Probably not but this is a transfer tracker so i put it up
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https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2017
Just a quick glance, but Traci is the only 4 star PG on the list.
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UMass's leading scorer, Donte Clark, is transferring. Don't think he's an awesome fit, but would get plenty of play at the 2
http://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-Donte-Clark-transfering-9145633 (http://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-Donte-Clark-transfering-9145633)
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UMass's leading scorer, Donte Clark, is transferring. Don't think he's an awesome fit, but would get plenty of play at the 2
http://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-Donte-Clark-transfering-9145633 (http://www.gazettenet.com/UMass-Donte-Clark-transfering-9145633)
Sounds like not a forsure transfer based on that article.
And definitely PASS
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Richard Freudenberg of St Johns is transferring, didn't really do anything for the johnnies
Going pro back in Germany, so I guess he's the only guy mentioned in the thread not transferring to MU
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Josh Nebo (St. Francis) headed to Texas A&M.
Rice Transfer Marcus Evans down to Arizona, VCU and Miami.
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New Mexico graduate transfer Elijah Brown has five schools: Oregon, Gonzaga, Iowa State, Northwestern, Saint Mary's. Visits Oregon next week.
- Jeff Borzello
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Richard Freudenberg of St Johns is transferring, didn't really do anything for the johnnies
Kid was horrible
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https://painttouches.com/2017/03/29/ncaa-transfer-tracker-march-28th-edition/
Updated. Lots of additions
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https://painttouches.com/2017/03/29/ncaa-transfer-tracker-march-28th-edition/
Updated. Lots of additions
Great job. A lot of good work here.
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wow! chase jeter looks like a great "get" but we are far from being a "left coast". i don't know why cracked seems to think jeter is all duked out. i believe MU and chase would do very well together sans the palm trees and umm, cali girls, ey?
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Evan DanielsVerified account @EvanDaniels 38m38 minutes ago
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Rice transfer Egor Koulechov will visit Florida next weekend, per a source. Just finished a visit to Oklahoma. Averaged 18.2 & 8.9 last year
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Got the sense we are not in this one.
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Rice transfer Egor Koulechov will visit Florida next weekend, per a source. Just finished a visit to Oklahoma. Averaged 18.2 & 8.9 last year
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Got the sense we are not in this one.
Certainly feels that way. I haven't seen his name mentioned with MU at all.
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I'm starting to feel like Egor is not coming here
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I'm starting to feel like Egor is not coming here
It appears you aren't the first Scooper to think that.
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Egor has yet to release a list. He's taken his visits one at a time and didn't announce his interest in Florida until after he visited the Sooners. There is no reason to believe that Marquette is not working on Egor. He could end up not coming but y'all need some patience.
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Egor has yet to release a list. He's taken his visits one at a time and didn't announce his interest in Florida until after he visited the Sooners. There is no reason to believe that Marquette is not working on Egor. He could end up not coming but y'all need some patience.
As a transfer can you visit as many schools as you want, or is there a limit as well?
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Egor has yet to release a list. He's taken his visits one at a time and didn't announce his interest in Florida until after he visited the Sooners. There is no reason to believe that Marquette is not working on Egor. He could end up not coming but y'all need some patience.
This is exactly what I was thinking. No list has been released, just insiders citing "sources" saying he will visit a certain school. I doubt BD changes his name to Egor if we have just simply offered him and not at least heard something about a visit.
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Per Keelon Lawson: the four schools most involved with the Lawson brothers right now are Duke, Kansas, Ole Miss and Iowa State.
- Gary Parrish
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Per Keelon Lawson: the four schools most involved with the Lawson brothers right now are Duke, Kansas, Ole Miss and Iowa State.
- Gary Parrish
Lawson brothers have just committed to Kansas according to Bleacher Report
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Meh, we wouldn't have wanted to tie up our scholarships on them anyway. ::)
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Meh, we wouldn't have wanted to tie up our scholarships on them anyway. ::)
You roll your eyes, but I'd take 4 years of Joey Hauser over 2 years of Dedric Lawson. Could end being wrong about that, but I think Joey will be a better player than Lawson.
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You roll your eyes, but I'd take 4 years of Joey Hauser over 2 years of Dedric Lawson. Could end being wrong about that, but I think Joey will be a better player than Lawson.
The Lawson's wouldn't change a thing about Joey's recruitment. And I don't think anyone is getting 4 years of Joey Hauser.
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As a transfer can you visit as many schools as you want, or is there a limit as well?
Limit of five.
And here I was led to believe everyone on Scoop knew everything about everything. :'(
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Lawson Bros to Kansas Per ESPN:
The Kansas men's basketball team has landed Memphis transfers Dedric and K.J. Lawson.
K.J. announced the news on Twitter, and their father, Keelon, confirmed the news to ESPN's Jeff Goodman.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19126506/brothers-dedric-kj-lawson-transfer-kansas-jayhawks
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The Lawson's wouldn't change a thing about Joey's recruitment. And I don't think anyone is getting 4 years of Joey Hauser.
See, those two statements don't make sense to me. If you think Joey is going one and done he will go to a place where he can max his playing time. You don't think he would have any hesitations about two redshirt juniors at his position who together averaged 31.5 points and 18 rebounds per game?
I would be surprised if Joey Hauser went one and done. Could be wrong but I don't see it.
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See, those two statements don't make sense to me. If you think Joey is going one and done he will go to a place where he can max his playing time. You don't think he would have any hesitations about two redshirt juniors at his position who together averaged 31.5 points and 18 rebounds per game?
I would be surprised if Joey Hauser went one and done. Could be wrong but I don't see it.
I don't think he'll be a one and done, nor do I think he'll have any problem getting plenty of playing time. And no, I don't think he would have any hesitation whatsoever going to a school that would have a roster completely stacked with talent. I think the absolute only thing that would hold Joey back from MU would be a lack of on court success, not too many good players on the roster. Not to say he won't end up at a Duke or Michigan State even if MU has some on court success, but I don't think he's worried one bit about good players around him, nor do I think he doesn't care about making it to the NBA, nor do I think talent on the roster would block his path to the NBA.
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So you think he'll be at two and through or three and free?
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So you think he'll be at two and through or three and free?
Yes.
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Not MU or tranfer related, but big get for PC. Former UCONN commit.
Massive commitment for Ed Cooley. Friars were right in the mix back when Ashton-Langford originally committed. Top-40 prospect.
-Jeff Borzello
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Not MU or tranfer related, but big get for PC. Former UCONN commit.
Massive commitment for Ed Cooley. Friars were right in the mix back when Ashton-Langford originally committed. Top-40 prospect.
-Jeff Borzello
Good for the Big East
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/851602962573139969
Good for our rivalry with Cooley and Company.
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Quinnipiac transfer Mikey Dixon has committed to St. John's, source told ESPN. Averaged 16.5 points. Sit one, play three.
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Quinnipiac transfer Mikey Dixon has committed to St. John's, source told ESPN. Averaged 16.5 points. Sit one, play three.
- Borzello
Quinnipiac is not getting into the Big East, but one of it's now former players is.
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Meh, we wouldn't have wanted to tie up our scholarships on them anyway. ::)
Love the eye roll! I was thinking the same thing - and I've never seen either the Lawsons or Joey play.
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Adding the Lawson's would have taken the 2 available scholarships for the 2018 class, so no, I wouldn't have thought twice about them.
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Adding the Lawson's would have taken the 2 available scholarships for the 2018 class, so no, I wouldn't have thought twice about them.
Lol. There's a reason they're at Kansas. I'll spend a total of 7 years worth of scholarships for 5 years of playing at MU for any 2 players that combined to average 31 points and 18 rebounds per game at a high major school. When's the last time we had a player average 19 points and 10 rebounds per game? Between the 2 they combined to average 15.5 points and 9 rebounds per game. If 2 guys that have those numbers come to you and say, "Hey Steve, we want to play for Marquette for the rest of our college careers," you make it work.
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Sorry, but I put team chemistry #1 on my building a program list and I'll gladly take a Joey Hauser and another player over those two with Marquette's current roster. That's just how I roll.
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Dedric Lawson is very good but a poor 3 point shooter. Will he turn pro in two years or finish his eligibility? My guess is the former.
KJ Lawson is very inefficient. I'm not a big fan. So if Dedric turns pro early, you might be stuck spending 4-5 years of scholarships for one year of Dedric actually playing.
Not a fan of that situation.
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Sorry, but I put team chemistry #1 on my building a program list and I'll gladly take a Joey Hauser and another player over those two with Marquette's current roster. That's just how I roll.
And I will take my roster full of major talent and less chemistry against your chemistry laden above average talent team and beat you a vast majority of the time. Overall..talent will win out a vast majority of time. Afterall..that's how North Carolina won the Championship..most talented team in the country. MOST National Champions are.
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Don't know if it is a big deal but Jordan Hill just announced his departure from Madison.
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And I will take my roster full of major talent and less chemistry against your chemistry laden above average talent team and beat you a vast majority of the time. Overall..talent will win out a vast majority of time. Afterall..that's how North Carolina won the Championship..most talented team in the country. MOST National Champions are.
Actually North Carolina was talented AND had good chemistry. Williams has done a fantastic job of recruiting great players, but not necessarily one and done types. So they can grow old together.
I'm with Ted on this one. Schools like Kansas and Kentucky have built their programs on acquiring as much talent as possible and worrying about how to make the pieces fit later. There is nothing wrong with that, but that's not what Marquette is doing. And the reason is that Marquette cannot bring in enough talent every year to make that work. So chemistry issues are a major concern.
And it's not like Marquette completely turns its back on transfers. Evidence shows this.
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Don't know if it is a big deal but Jordan Hill just announced his departure from Madison.
Proves they aren't immune to transfers.
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BTW, UNC's 247 recruiting rankings the last four years:
2016 - 13
2015- Not in top 50
2014 - 10
2013 - 18
Chemistry was a very, very important factor in their team's success the last two seasons.
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Sorry, but I put team chemistry #1 on my building a program list and I'll gladly take a Joey Hauser and another player over those two with Marquette's current roster. That's just how I roll.
Plus Tax, Chemistry is so important and so Fragile it can play havoc with the stats you're thinking these guys are bringing.
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BTW, UNC's 247 recruiting rankings the last four years:
2016 - 13
2015- Not in top 50
2014 - 10
2013 - 18
Chemistry was a very, very important factor in their team's success the last two seasons.
speak of UNC...you can always count on politicians to do dumb sh1t.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2017/04/12/north-carolina-nc-state-leave-acc-boycott-championships-house-bill-728/100382142/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2017/04/12/north-carolina-nc-state-leave-acc-boycott-championships-house-bill-728/100382142/)
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Chemistry is one of the more overrated things people ever reference in sports. Watch Oregon's team this year and you see players yelling at each other in huddles all the time. Didn't seem to hurt them much. Watch Draymond Green getting into it with KD on the sidelines. They seem to be doing fine. Watch LeBron b!tching at his teammates for not magically knowing he was going to leave his man in order to go and try for a runout steal and his teammates being at fault for the resulting uncontested dunk.
Brett Favre was a terrible teammate. MJ same deal. Christian Laettner was the same. Etc. etc. etc. Winning cures all, and talent wins.
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Chemistry is one of the more overrated things people ever reference in sports. Watch Oregon's team this year and you see players yelling at each other in huddles all the time. Didn't seem to hurt them much. Watch Draymond Green getting into it with KD on the sidelines. They seem to be doing fine.
I'm not in the huddles but I think these are examples of teams with good chemistry. Ability to call each other out and hold each other accountable are signs of a team that is bonded and comfortable with each other. I'm much concerned about teams where yelling isn't happening when things aren't going well.
MJ I've heard was a terrible teammate. No idea if its true. Favre I've heard both good and bad things. Laettner I've heard was beloved by his teammates, everyone else just hated him. But I also wouldn't say that chemistry and being a good teammate are the same thing.
None of us knows what happens if the Lawson bros had transferred here. Maybe we keep all the necessary pieces and win a national championship. Maybe the entire 2017 recruiting class transfers, Joey goes to Michigan State, Dedric goes pro after one year, and KJ grad transfers. Who knows? All speculation. What I do know, is that there were things going on in the background with the Lawsons that would give me pause as a coach. They bring a ton of talent but some off the court drama as well. Their talent is still worth it, but I personally like other options better. Kansas is the perfect landing spot for them. With all the crap going on around that athletic department right now, the Lawson won't even be a blip on the radar.
I do wonder if Dedric will do better than Tarik Black? Also transferred from Memphis to Kansas. Went from starter at Memphis to 3rd guy off the bench at Kansas. Though he translated that into an NBA contract so I don't think he's complaining.
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I'm not in the huddles but I think these are examples of teams with good chemistry. Ability to call each other out and hold each other accountable are signs of a team that is bonded and comfortable with each other. I'm much concerned about teams where yelling isn't happening when things aren't going well.
MJ I've heard was a terrible teammate. No idea if its true. Favre I've heard both good and bad things. Laettner I've heard was beloved by his teammates, everyone else just hated him. But I also wouldn't say that chemistry and being a good teammate are the same thing.
None of us knows what happens if the Lawson bros had transferred here. Maybe we keep all the necessary pieces and win a national championship. Maybe the entire 2017 recruiting class transfers, Joey goes to Michigan State, Dedric goes pro after one year, and KJ grad transfers. Who knows? All speculation. What I do know, is that there were things going on in the background with the Lawsons that would give me pause as a coach. They bring a ton of talent but some off the court drama as well. Their talent is still worth it, but I personally like other options better. Kansas is the perfect landing spot for them. With all the crap going on around that athletic department right now, the Lawson won't even be a blip on the radar.
I do wonder if Dedric will do better than Tarik Black? Also transferred from Memphis to Kansas. Went from starter at Memphis to 3rd guy off the bench at Kansas. Though he translated that into an NBA contract so I don't think he's complaining.
I don't know what else would be the the root of bad team chemistry beyond having guys who are bad teammates on the team. Off the court issues (drugs, partying too much to where it affects your performance, legal issues, suspensions, etc.)? Something that makes someone a bad teammate. Causing rifts in the locker room? Something that makes someone a bad teammate.
If you would've asked Bobby Hurley while he was at Duke if Christian Laettner was a good teammate there is no chance in hell he'd say yes, and Christian Laettner is the first person to admit that.
Read about where and why the Aaron Rodgers gay rumors started, Rodgers having his helmet stolen, etc. etc. etc. He was a great teammate to his select few "guys," and a total douche to the rest.
Chemistry comes down to whether you are winning or losing. Sure there might be one guy here or there who isn't happy with the role he has on a successful team, but by and large a winning team is a happy locker room. And vice versa. It doesn't matter if you have a bunch of choir boys, if you're going 4-28 on the year chances are you are going to have "chemistry issues." How do you win? You get the talent to do so.
I'm not saying bring absolutely anybody aboard no matter what so long as they have the talent to help you win games. There are guys that aren't worth their talent. If a guy tries to light a girl's hair on fire, for example, thanks, but that's just not going to fly. But if the biggest thing a talented guy has against him is he yells at his teammates or kicks a locker when his team is losing? I'll take that kid if he has even slightly more talent than the guy who will grab a towel and clean up a wet spot on the floor without being asked to do so.
Look at Seton Hall as an example. We heard about locker room fights and how Willard had lost his locker room by letting a few talented punk freshman take over the locker room which caused a rift on his team, etc. Yet here we are with them having more success than they have had in a long time.
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Honestly, I think chemistry is being used as a catch all word for a lot of things. I'm not sure how wiping up floors and kicking lockers came into play.
What I do know is that sometimes a less talented player is more valuable than a more talented player. By the time all is said and done (assuming no injuries or declines) Sam Hauser will be much more valuable for Marquette than Henry Ellenson. Henry has oodles more talent than Sam but if I had to choose between the two I'd take Sam 7 days a week and 5 times on Sunday.
If we took the Lawson's, I'd be ecstatic. They are talented players. But I also see lots of other options for those schollies. There are some I'll be even more ecstatic for.
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I think the point is you can have a very talented roster that doesn't fit together......those teams won't win at a high level. You need talent but you also need complimentary players that fit roles.......everybody pulling in the same direction.
That to me is a well constructed team ......if you aren't a blue blood that is how you can win big.
A bunch of guys who have talent but all want to get theirs.......not so much.
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Au + H2O=AuH2O, ai na?
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Honestly, I think chemistry is being used as a catch all word for a lot of things. I'm not sure how wiping up floors and kicking lockers came into play.
What I do know is that sometimes a less talented player is more valuable than a more talented player. By the time all is said and done (assuming no injuries or declines) Sam Hauser will be much more valuable for Marquette than Henry Ellenson. Henry has oodles more talent than Sam but if I had to choose between the two I'd take Sam 7 days a week and 5 times on Sunday.
If we took the Lawson's, I'd be ecstatic. They are talented players. But I also see lots of other options for those schollies. There are some I'll be even more ecstatic for.
I have been making this point for a long time. glad to see you agree......OMG quick revise my post can't be seen agreeing with MUFINY would destroy my street cred.
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Honestly, I think chemistry is being used as a catch all word for a lot of things. I'm not sure how wiping up floors and kicking lockers came into play.
What I do know is that sometimes a less talented player is more valuable than a more talented player. By the time all is said and done (assuming no injuries or declines) Sam Hauser will be much more valuable for Marquette than Henry Ellenson. Henry has oodles more talent than Sam but if I had to choose between the two I'd take Sam 7 days a week and 5 times on Sunday.
If we took the Lawson's, I'd be ecstatic. They are talented players. But I also see lots of other options for those schollies. There are some I'll be even more ecstatic for.
Sure 4 years of Sam with more talent on the team surrounding him will have been more valuable to MU than Hank's 1 with Cheatham, a guy who couldn't find the court this year, as the 2nd best player on the team. But if you tell me, "You can take Hank for 4 years or Sam for 4 years but not both" I'm taking Hank 768 times a week and 215 times on Sunday. I love Sam. Favorite player on MU. But he's not Hank.
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Sure 4 years of Sam with more talent on the team surrounding him will have been more valuable to MU than Hank's 1 with Cheatham, a guy who couldn't find the court this year, as the 2nd best player on the team. But if you tell me, "You can take Hank for 4 years or Sam for 4 years but not both" I'm taking Hank 768 times a week and 215 times on Sunday. I love Sam. Favorite player on MU. But he's not Hank.
Well yeah. But you can't take Hank for four years. You can take Sam for four years, that's a main reason why he's more valuable. Just like you can't take the Lawsons for 4 years. Their talented, but they might not be as valuable.
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wades and TAMU, two of my faves. I hate choosing between you because I usually agree with both.
Gotta go with TAMU here, though.
We don't need to play the "if" game on this one because Hank ain't here for 4 years while Sam will. We don't get to choose between 4-year Hank (or even 2-year Hank) and 4-year Sam, only between 1-and-done Hank and 4-year Sam. So it's a pretty easy choice.
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I have been making this point for a long time. glad to see you agree......OMG quick revise my post can't be seen agreeing with MUFINY would destroy my street cred.
I don't feel this way at all. You agreeing with me actually helps to raise your street cred. Mine's too solid to go down ;D
You make good points MUFINY. You just happen to dilute them with insisting that Henry was going to be a four year player, pioneer league football saving Marquette's reputation, and rape being impossible if the girl was on top.
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wades and TAMU, two of my faves. I hate choosing between you because I usually agree with both.
Gotta go with TAMU here, though.
We don't need to play the "if" game on this one because Hank ain't here for 4 years while Sam will. We don't get to choose between 4-year Hank (or even 2-year Hank) and 4-year Sam, only between 1-and-done Hank and 4-year Sam. So it's a pretty easy choice.
No doubt. But the argument is about talent vs. chemistry. We just used Hank and Sam as one example, which, if we're saying you get Sam for 4 years or Hank for 1 it's really not about chemistry or skill at all. It's about the length of time you're going to have that player. It's comparing entire teams. That'd be like saying you'll take Rob Frozena over Matt Carlino because Rob was on an MU roster for longer and his teams had more success. Sorry, but I'm taking Matt Carlino on a basketball team way, way, way before I'm taking Rob Frozena.
Pick any one year that you want and I'll take Hank for that year over Sam for that year because Hank is more talented, despite Sam having better "intangibles" and, most likely, a better "chemistry guy."
Compare any 2 players and I'll take the more talented guy unless it's to the point of a Gilbert Arenas bringing weapons into the locker room or something like that.
Put it this way, I'll take my chances with a "locker room cancer" like Rajon Rondo over a "great chemistry guy" in Delly ANY day of the week and I won't even blink about it. Sure, if you tell me I can take Rondo for next year only and put him on the Brooklyn Nets or I can take Delly on the Golden State Warriors for the next 4 season then yeah, let's role with Delly. Same deal with Hank on a team that Cheatham's the 2nd best player on for a year or Sam where Cheatham is the 7th best player(?) on the team for 4 years of growth then yeah, obviously the latter is the better option. But when all else is equal I'll take talent (Hank) over chemistry (Sam).
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No doubt. But the argument is about talent vs. chemistry. We just used Hank and Sam as one example, which, if we're saying you get Sam for 4 years or Hank for 1 it's really not about chemistry or skill at all. It's about the length of time you're going to have that player. It's comparing entire teams. That'd be like saying you'll take Rob Frozena over Matt Carlino because Rob was on an MU roster for longer and his teams had more success. Sorry, but I'm taking Matt Carlino on a basketball team way, way, way before I'm taking Rob Frozena.
Pick any one year that you want and I'll take Hank for that year over Sam for that year because Hank is more talented, despite Sam having better "intangibles" and, most likely, a better "chemistry guy."
Compare any 2 players and I'll take the more talented guy unless it's to the point of a Gilbert Arenas bringing weapons into the locker room or something like that.
Put it this way, I'll take my chances with a "locker room cancer" like Rajon Rondo over a "great chemistry guy" in Delly ANY day of the week and I won't even blink about it. Sure, if you tell me I can take Rondo for next year only and put him on the Brooklyn Nets or I can take Delly on the Golden State Warriors for the next 4 season then yeah, let's role with Delly. Same deal with Hank on a team that Cheatham's the 2nd best player on for a year or Sam where Cheatham is the 7th best player(?) on the team for 4 years of growth then yeah, obviously the latter is the better option. But when all else is equal I'll take talent (Hank) over chemistry (Sam).
See you and I are defining chemistry very differently. I for the most part I don't give a crap about "locker room cancers" and "great chemistry guys" whatever that means. I do care about roster makeup, and I do care about players from the 2017 class transferring and recruits from the 2018 class not coming because we have talented transfers coming in at a position we don't need and will only be here a max of two years and there's a strong possibility that one or both might only be here for one year. There is potential to derail the foundation of the program Wojo is building. If it was a position of need, or we had more schollies to work with or there was only one of them or they had another year of eligibility I wouldn't feel the same way.
For the Sam/Hank comparison, I don't give a rat's bum about the rest of the team. The Frozena/Carlino comparison is absurd and irrelevant but I think you know that. I am talking purely about on the court, statistical value. I don't care about wins and losses in this situation. Put Hank on this past year's team and I still take Sam over Henry every single time. Henry is more talented, Sam is more valuable because he will stay all four years. Same comparison applies for the Lawson brothers and whatever players that would either transfer or not come to Marquette because they were on the roster (if there were any).
I am always for taking more talented 4 year freshmen. If some upperclassmen transfer because the freshman is beating them, who cares? You have a better player with more years of eligibility left. You have to be more strategic with transfers and one and dones. Traci Carter likely doesn't transfer if Andrew Rowsey wasn't here. Will two years of Rowsey be worth more than three more years of Traci? Probably but its really impossible to know. If Henry doesn't come here, Steve Taylor doesn't transfer, Gabe Levin doesn't transfer, and Kyle Washington may have theoretically transferred here. Is 1 year of Henry worth 1 year of Taylor/Levin and 2 years of Levin/Washington? I would say probably not. Of course this is all in hindsight and purely theoretical. We have no idea how things would have played out if different players did or didn't come. But these are the things that coaches need to balance when working the transfer market. You have to add talent but you have keep the future of the program stable. This is one of the issues Buzz ran into. He patched hole after hole with transfers and jucos. He was a mad genius at it so it worked for years. But too many missteps and it all came down like a house of cards. The program fell and it fell hard. We weren't able to fall back on a foundation of solid four year players.
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See you and I are defining chemistry very differently. I for the most part I don't give a crap about "locker room cancers" and "great chemistry guys" whatever that means. I do care about roster makeup, and I do care about players from the 2017 class transferring and recruits from the 2018 class not coming because we have talented transfers coming in at a position we don't need and will only be here a max of two years and there's a strong possibility that one or both might only be here for one year. There is potential to derail the foundation of the program Wojo is building. If it was a position of need, or we had more schollies to work with or there was only one of them or they had another year of eligibility I wouldn't feel the same way.
For the Sam/Hank comparison, I don't give a rat's bum about the rest of the team. The Frozena/Carlino comparison is absurd and irrelevant but I think you know that. I am talking purely about on the court, statistical value. I don't care about wins and losses in this situation. Put Hank on this past year's team and I still take Sam over Henry every single time. Henry is more talented, Sam is more valuable because he will stay all four years. Same comparison applies for the Lawson brothers and whatever players that would either transfer or not come to Marquette because they were on the roster (if there were any).
I am always for taking more talented 4 year freshmen. If some upperclassmen transfer because the freshman is beating them, who cares? You have a better player with more years of eligibility left. You have to be more strategic with transfers and one and dones. Traci Carter likely doesn't transfer if Andrew Rowsey wasn't here. Will two years of Rowsey be worth more than three more years of Traci? Probably but its really impossible to know. If Henry doesn't come here, Steve Taylor doesn't transfer, Gabe Levin doesn't transfer, and Kyle Washington may have theoretically transferred here. Is 1 year of Henry worth 1 year of Taylor/Levin and 2 years of Levin/Washington? I would say probably not. Of course this is all in hindsight and purely theoretical. We have no idea how things would have played out if different players did or didn't come. But these are the things that coaches need to balance when working the transfer market. You have to add talent but you have keep the future of the program stable. This is one of the issues Buzz ran into. He patched hole after hole with transfers and jucos. He was a mad genius at it so it worked for years. But too many missteps and it all came down like a house of cards. The program fell and it fell hard. We weren't able to fall back on a foundation of solid four year players.
Okay so let's say for example MU brings in two grad transfers, or hell even two traditional transfers that have say two years of eligibility left, however you want to play it. Now, let's say these transfers were so freaking good, MU won a national championship with them. But, because of their presence, a couple of players that are Sophomores(but are bench players, but get decent minutes), decide to transfer before that season. I'll tell you what, if there is ANYONE here that would rather have those two players back(because they hate transfers), then MU winning a national championship, on the backs of "outside players", Then they are smoking something really really good. The point is, you ALWAYS do whatever you have to do to upgrade the talent on your team. And if it causes some players to transfer..well, you know what?? They just missed out on being part of a National Championship team...their loss. Upgrade the talent whenever possible and deal with any fallout from it at the appropriate time. Talent will win out in the end a majority of the time.
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See you and I are defining chemistry very differently. I for the most part I don't give a crap about "locker room cancers" and "great chemistry guys" whatever that means. I do care about roster makeup, and I do care about players from the 2017 class transferring and recruits from the 2018 class not coming because we have talented transfers coming in at a position we don't need and will only be here a max of two years and there's a strong possibility that one or both might only be here for one year. There is potential to derail the foundation of the program Wojo is building. If it was a position of need, or we had more schollies to work with or there was only one of them or they had another year of eligibility I wouldn't feel the same way.
For the Sam/Hank comparison, I don't give a rat's bum about the rest of the team. The Frozena/Carlino comparison is absurd and irrelevant but I think you know that. I am talking purely about on the court, statistical value. I don't care about wins and losses in this situation. Put Hank on this past year's team and I still take Sam over Henry every single time. Henry is more talented, Sam is more valuable because he will stay all four years. Same comparison applies for the Lawson brothers and whatever players that would either transfer or not come to Marquette because they were on the roster (if there were any).
I am always for taking more talented 4 year freshmen. If some upperclassmen transfer because the freshman is beating them, who cares? You have a better player with more years of eligibility left. You have to be more strategic with transfers and one and dones. Traci Carter likely doesn't transfer if Andrew Rowsey wasn't here. Will two years of Rowsey be worth more than three more years of Traci? Probably but its really impossible to know. If Henry doesn't come here, Steve Taylor doesn't transfer, Gabe Levin doesn't transfer, and Kyle Washington may have theoretically transferred here. Is 1 year of Henry worth 1 year of Taylor/Levin and 2 years of Levin/Washington? I would say probably not. Of course this is all in hindsight and purely theoretical. We have no idea how things would have played out if different players did or didn't come. But these are the things that coaches need to balance when working the transfer market. You have to add talent but you have keep the future of the program stable. This is one of the issues Buzz ran into. He patched hole after hole with transfers and jucos. He was a mad genius at it so it worked for years. But too many missteps and it all came down like a house of cards. The program fell and it fell hard. We weren't able to fall back on a foundation of solid four year players.
You have to care about wins and losses though, because ultimately that's what matters. It's about winning and winning big. Could/should this current team be REALLY good in '18-'19 if Joey comes?? Absolutely, they SHOULD. But, I emphasize the word should because there are no guarantees they will be. I think that's what people forget..anything could happen before that season starts. That's why, you HAVE to try to seize the opportunity to win now..Let's just use a hypothetical..Let's say MU could land Egor AND Cam Johnson as grad transfers. for next year..people honestly wouldn't take that at the risk of a player or two, (that would likely be rotational players at best, but not main cogs) transferring?? I sure as hell would, you know why?? Because if you could add both of those guys, you are looking at a team with AT LEAST Sweet 16 talent or better.
I would take that every day of the week, even if it means a player or two transfer. Because in all likelihood, you could easily replace the player or two that transferred with guys equal to(or likely even better), than who left. So what have you lost?? You still have a scholarship for Joey(Koulachov), Now, you have Cam Johnson coming back another year still, you'd be coming off a minimum of a Sweet 16 appearance(hypothetically), AND you have an open scholarship or two to add two more players for '18-'19 when everyone thinks they will be REALLY good.
There is absolutely NO losing in that scenario..in fact, I'd say it's a HUGE win..you made your team better for next year and in the process likely made it even better for '18-'19 as well. And you did all of that by adding MORE talent AND Experience.
And hell, even if something happens and '18-'19 isn't as good as what everyone anticipates it will be, guess what?? At least you have a sweet 16(or deeper) from '17-18 to fall back on. Win now..worry about the future when it gets here.
I'm personally not willing to "let the youngsters" play this year for "seasoning" them for '18-'19 with the anticipation that, that is THE year..because THE year could never happen. Especially if it means NOT making the NCAA's again this year...that's a step back again. And if you turn next years team over to a bunch of Freshman and Sophomores, I think that is likely to happen(No NCAA). if you can add more talent and experience this upcoming year, why in the hell would no one do it?? You'd be a total fool to not want that.
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Well, how do you know that Marquette didn't contact both Johnson and Egor and they decided Marquette wasn't for them? How do you know Marquette didn't contact the top 10 available grad transfers and despite being offered, they decided there were better playing time options?
Here's another question. The Lawson's announced on April 5th that they were leaving Memphis in a press release BEFORE meeting with Tubby Smith. Their dad was a staff member at Memphis under Tubby and Tubby found out from a press release. It gets better. 5 days later they annouinced they were going to Kansas. 5 DAYS!!!! Doesn't that sound a little like the situation with Tyshawn Taylor and Kansas where Bob Hurley was ripping MU for not releasing Tyshawn the night Crean resigned and then finding out Self and then assistant Dooley were waiting in a New Jersey hotel for the LOI release when the release did come? Here's a newsflash muguru, the Lawson'r were on their way to Kansas before they announded their transfers from Memphis and some of these grad transfers are predetermined.
So you would take the Lawson's. Good luck.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/geoff-calkins/2017/04/10/calkins-lawsons-kansas----and-keelon-lawson-explain-why/100291042/
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Well, how do you know that Marquette didn't contact both Johnson and Egor and they decided Marquette wasn't for them? How do you know Marquette didn't contact the top 10 available grad transfers and despite being offered, they decided there were better playing time options?
Here's another question. The Lawson's announced on April 5th that they were leaving Memphis in a press release BEFORE meeting with Tubby Smith. Their dad was a staff member at Memphis under Tubby and Tubby found out from a press release. It gets better. 5 days later they annouinced they were going to Kansas. 5 DAYS!!!! Doesn't that sound a little like the situation with Tyshawn Taylor and Kansas where Bob Hurley was ripping MU for not releasing Tyshawn the night Crean resigned and then finding out Self and then assistant Dooley were waiting in a New Jersey hotel for the LOI release when the release did come? Here's a newsflash muguru, the Lawson'r were on their way to Kansas before they announded their transfers from Memphis and some of these grad transfers are predetermined.
So you would take the Lawson's. Good luck.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/columnists/geoff-calkins/2017/04/10/calkins-lawsons-kansas----and-keelon-lawson-explain-why/100291042/
I would take ANY players that significantly upgrade the talent on this roster, whether it be for a year, two years whatever. You keep harping on this "if minutes are available". You want the youngsters to play...I get it, but if you are honest with yourself, you would know full well, that IF MU was able to bring in Koulachev and Cam Johnson, or either...there would be PLENTY of minutes available, why?? Because one or both of them IMMEDIATELY become two of the three or four most talented players on the roster..FACT.
You wouldn't take the Lawson's, and if you sit here and tell me right now, that IF they Lawson's came to MU, and brought them a National Championship, you wouldn't feel good about it, then I'd say you are one of those guys that is okay with MU being a "nice little program, that wins sometimes, graduate players, and has no transfers". After all the years you have been following MU ted, you'd be satisfied with a program like that??
I can absolutely guarantee you that Kansas(and no matter where the Lawson's would have went) became a better team instantly because of it, based on sheer talent alone.
I will also say this..we don't know that MU did or didn't contact Johnson/Koulachev, but IF they did, and couldn't guarantee them minutes(when they would instantly become top 4 -5 players on this team), then flat out Wojo is not the Coach to lead this program. You don't EVER tell kids that would be top 5 players on your team there aren't minutes available.
Playing the youngsters will in all likelihood cost MU an NCAA berth this year, I'm not willing to risk that at the off chance '18-'19 is special, because you don't seem to understand, that that may NEVER happen. No guarantees. Then what Ted?? Win now..that's what you HAVE to do.
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See you and I are defining chemistry very differently. I for the most part I don't give a crap about "locker room cancers" and "great chemistry guys" whatever that means. I do care about roster makeup, and I do care about players from the 2017 class transferring and recruits from the 2018 class not coming because we have talented transfers coming in at a position we don't need and will only be here a max of two years and there's a strong possibility that one or both might only be here for one year. There is potential to derail the foundation of the program Wojo is building. If it was a position of need, or we had more schollies to work with or there was only one of them or they had another year of eligibility I wouldn't feel the same way.
For the Sam/Hank comparison, I don't give a rat's bum about the rest of the team. The Frozena/Carlino comparison is absurd and irrelevant but I think you know that. I am talking purely about on the court, statistical value. I don't care about wins and losses in this situation. Put Hank on this past year's team and I still take Sam over Henry every single time. Henry is more talented, Sam is more valuable because he will stay all four years. Same comparison applies for the Lawson brothers and whatever players that would either transfer or not come to Marquette because they were on the roster (if there were any).
I am always for taking more talented 4 year freshmen. If some upperclassmen transfer because the freshman is beating them, who cares? You have a better player with more years of eligibility left. You have to be more strategic with transfers and one and dones. Traci Carter likely doesn't transfer if Andrew Rowsey wasn't here. Will two years of Rowsey be worth more than three more years of Traci? Probably but its really impossible to know. If Henry doesn't come here, Steve Taylor doesn't transfer, Gabe Levin doesn't transfer, and Kyle Washington may have theoretically transferred here. Is 1 year of Henry worth 1 year of Taylor/Levin and 2 years of Levin/Washington? I would say probably not. Of course this is all in hindsight and purely theoretical. We have no idea how things would have played out if different players did or didn't come. But these are the things that coaches need to balance when working the transfer market. You have to add talent but you have keep the future of the program stable. This is one of the issues Buzz ran into. He patched hole after hole with transfers and jucos. He was a mad genius at it so it worked for years. But too many missteps and it all came down like a house of cards. The program fell and it fell hard. We weren't able to fall back on a foundation of solid four year players.
So you were never talking about team chemistry, you were talking about roster balance.
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Hauser should of shot more threes last year.
Ellenson should of taken less threes the year before.
Does Hauser passing up shots help team chemistry?
Did Ellenson not passing up shots hurt team chemistry?
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Wonder if Oregon's Casey Benson can play defense. Grad transfer, announced this morning, and on paper looks like a good fit.
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Hauser should of shot more threes last year.
Ellenson should of taken less threes the year before.
Does Hauser passing up shots help team chemistry?
Did Ellenson not passing up shots hurt team chemistry?
Dis a haiku, hey?
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Wonder if Oregon's Casey Benson can play defense. Grad transfer, announced this morning, and on paper looks like a good fit.
He's going to Grand Canyon where his brother is an asst Coach.
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And I will take my roster full of major talent and less chemistry against your chemistry laden above average talent team and beat you a vast majority of the time. Overall..talent will win out a vast majority of time. Afterall..that's how North Carolina won the Championship..most talented team in the country. MOST National Champions are.
Sure, because losers make the extra pass on offense while winners jack up a shot before anyone else can take it.
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Wonder if Oregon's Casey Benson can play defense. Grad transfer, announced this morning, and on paper looks like a good fit.
Could Oregon match Crean by being a Final Four team one year and missing the NCAA Tournament the next year? Boucher graduates, Brookes and Dorsey declare for the NBA draft, Benson transfers, and I would guess Bell will leave as well. Bigby-Williams and Pirtchard return and they bring in a 5 star, but they are losing a lot of talent.
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You wouldn't take the Lawson's, and if you sit here and tell me right now, that IF they Lawson's came to MU, and brought them a National Championship, you wouldn't feel good about it, then I'd say you are one of those guys that is okay with MU being a "nice little program, that wins sometimes, graduate players, and has no transfers". After all the years you have been following MU ted, you'd be satisfied with a program like that??
Ted's point is that, despite their talent, he feels that the Lawsons would actually harm Marquette's quest toward a national title. And I agree with that.
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Okay so let's say for example MU brings in two grad transfers, or hell even two traditional transfers that have say two years of eligibility left, however you want to play it. Now, let's say these transfers were so freaking good, MU won a national championship with them. But, because of their presence, a couple of players that are Sophomores(but are bench players, but get decent minutes), decide to transfer before that season. I'll tell you what, if there is ANYONE here that would rather have those two players back(because they hate transfers), then MU winning a national championship, on the backs of "outside players", Then they are smoking something really really good. The point is, you ALWAYS do whatever you have to do to upgrade the talent on your team. And if it causes some players to transfer..well, you know what?? They just missed out on being part of a National Championship team...their loss. Upgrade the talent whenever possible and deal with any fallout from it at the appropriate time. Talent will win out in the end a majority of the time.
First, I would say grad transfers are different than traditional transfer. They will be gone after a year. They are less likely to cause issues because the players behind them and the players we are recruiting see a clear path to playing time.
Next, I would say of course you take them if you are going to win a national championship. I don't even think you need to get to that level to take them. If you reread my posts I have never said don't take talented transfers. That's dumb. Of course, you should take talented transfers. I love talented transfers. I'm the guy who writes update after update for two different articles for Paint Touches ranking the talent of different transfers. What I have been saying in this conversation is that talent isn't the only thing to consider when recruiting transfers. You have to balance it with the impact it could have on your roster.
Finally, I would say that the Lawson bros ain't winning us a national championship. As I see it now, we are not one or two pieces away from being a final four contender in 18-19. Maybe after seeing us next year I'll think otherwise. The Lawson bros are talented, but with they risk they brought, I prefer other options for our last two scholarships.
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So you were never talking about team chemistry, you were talking about roster balance.
As I said earlier, chemistry in this thread has been used to talk about a lot of different things. If you look at how this discussion started, chemistry was being used to describe roster balance. And roster balance does play into team chemistry. Programs thrive when the players who aren't getting playing time are still happy with their role. Just look at what Wisconsin does.
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You have to care about wins and losses though, because ultimately that's what matters. It's about winning and winning big. Could/should this current team be REALLY good in '18-'19 if Joey comes?? Absolutely, they SHOULD. But, I emphasize the word should because there are no guarantees they will be. I think that's what people forget..anything could happen before that season starts. That's why, you HAVE to try to seize the opportunity to win now..Let's just use a hypothetical..Let's say MU could land Egor AND Cam Johnson as grad transfers. for next year..people honestly wouldn't take that at the risk of a player or two, (that would likely be rotational players at best, but not main cogs) transferring?? I sure as hell would, you know why?? Because if you could add both of those guys, you are looking at a team with AT LEAST Sweet 16 talent or better.
I would take that every day of the week, even if it means a player or two transfer. Because in all likelihood, you could easily replace the player or two that transferred with guys equal to(or likely even better), than who left. So what have you lost?? You still have a scholarship for Joey(Koulachov), Now, you have Cam Johnson coming back another year still, you'd be coming off a minimum of a Sweet 16 appearance(hypothetically), AND you have an open scholarship or two to add two more players for '18-'19 when everyone thinks they will be REALLY good.
There is absolutely NO losing in that scenario..in fact, I'd say it's a HUGE win..you made your team better for next year and in the process likely made it even better for '18-'19 as well. And you did all of that by adding MORE talent AND Experience.
And hell, even if something happens and '18-'19 isn't as good as what everyone anticipates it will be, guess what?? At least you have a sweet 16(or deeper) from '17-18 to fall back on. Win now..worry about the future when it gets here.
I'm personally not willing to "let the youngsters" play this year for "seasoning" them for '18-'19 with the anticipation that, that is THE year..because THE year could never happen. Especially if it means NOT making the NCAA's again this year...that's a step back again. And if you turn next years team over to a bunch of Freshman and Sophomores, I think that is likely to happen(No NCAA). if you can add more talent and experience this upcoming year, why in the hell would no one do it?? You'd be a total fool to not want that.
I care about winning and losing. Just not in the comparison exercise when we were determining the value of two players.
You are talking about grad transfers here. Not traditional transfers. They pose less of a risk because current players will see their quickest path to playing time as staying rather than transferring. They also don't impact future recruiting because again, they will be gone after a year.
I don't believe in "letting the youngsters play to get seasoning." You should be doing everything you can to win the games right in front of you (the most important game is the next one after all ;)). What I do believe in is that sometimes the value of a four year player is greater than the value of a more talented 2 year player. When that is the case, the coach needs to make a judgement call on if the 2 year player is worth the risk of losing the 4 year player. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Wojo went for Rowsey and it cost him Traci. Based on what I know now, I think that was a good choice. If Traci ends up being the A10 player of the year his senior year, maybe it wasn't a good choice.
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Wonder if Oregon's Casey Benson can play defense. Grad transfer, announced this morning, and on paper looks like a good fit.
I'd categorize him as a solid defender. Burned on outside shots a lot. But very good at containing isolation and excellent at guarding the pick and roll. Very efficient offensive player as well. Guru is likely right though, he probably wants to go play for his brother.
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First, I would say grad transfers are different than traditional transfer. They will be gone after a year. They are less likely to cause issues because the players behind them and the players we are recruiting see a clear path to playing time.
Next, I would say of course you take them if you are going to win a national championship. I don't even think you need to get to that level to take them. If you reread my posts I have never said don't take talented transfers. That's dumb. Of course, you should take talented transfers. I love talented transfers. I'm the guy who writes update after update for two different articles for Paint Touches ranking the talent of different transfers. What I have been saying in this conversation is that talent isn't the only thing to consider when recruiting transfers. You have to balance it with the impact it could have on your roster.
Finally, I would say that the Lawson bros ain't winning us a national championship. As I see it now, we are not one or two pieces away from being a final four contender in 18-19. Maybe after seeing us next year I'll think otherwise. The Lawson brothers are talented, but with they risk they brought, I prefer other options for our last two scholarships.
Okay, so let's try this...let's say MU landed the Lawson's..and let's say that caused 2 or 3 players to transfer(that aren't named Sam, Markus or Harry)..Now you have 2-3 scholarships to use for '18-'19..One obviously goes to Joey..Now let's say one of the others goes to Quentin Grimes. With the third let's just for argument sake say Ethan Happ(insert any really good grad transfer) is grad transferring and you land him..You mean to tell me you don't think a stcaked team like that...Markus, Joey, Sam, Dedric Lawson, KJ Lawson, Froling, Happ based on talent alone couldn;t win you a National Championship?? I sure do, without question.
The point is, if MU ever aspires to become elite again, or to become a blue blood, at some point they HAVE to take chances like the Lawson's for example..Maybe it works out, and if it does, you win a National Championship, and from there, the sky is the limit with recruiting etc. If it doesn't..well it doesn't. Are you really that much worse off then before you tried this?? Not really IMO.
Gonzaga became transfer U this year, look what it did for them. Do you think they regret for one second taking in Williams-Goss, Jordan Matthews and Johnathon Williams?? I guarantee you they don't..Look what it did for them. No, they didn't win the Championship, but they came awfully damn close, and they made it further then the Zags have ever made it before, the bounce from that can't be measured accurately.
Just out of curiosity, who would you give the two remaining scholarships too??
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Okay, so let's try this...let's say MU landed the Lawson's..and let's say that caused 2 or 3 players to transfer(that aren't named Sam, Markus or Harry)..Now you have 2-3 scholarships to use for '18-'19..One obviously goes to Joey..Now let's say one of the others goes to Quentin Grimes. With the third let's just for argument sake say Ethan Happ(insert any really good grad transfer) is grad transferring and you land him..You mean to tell me you don't think a stcaked team like that...Markus, Joey, Sam, Dedric Lawson, KJ Lawson, Froling, Happ based on talent alone couldn;t win you a National Championship?? I sure do, without question.
The point is, if MU ever aspires to become elite again, or to become a blue blood, at some point they HAVE to take chances like the Lawson's for example..Maybe it works out, and if it does, you win a National Championship, and from there, the sky is the limit with recruiting etc. If it doesn't..well it doesn't. Are you really that much worse off then before you tried this?? Not really IMO.
Gonzaga became transfer U this year, look what it did for them. Do you think they regret for one second taking in Williams-Goss, Jordan Matthews and Johnathon Williams?? I guarantee you they don't..Look what it did for them. No, they didn't win the Championship, but they came awfully damn close, and they made it further then the Zags have ever made it before, the bounce from that can't be measured accurately.
Just out of curiosity, who would you give the two remaining scholarships too??
The Lawsons were never gonna come to MU. Let it go, man. Plus, they're punks. Check out the snapchat video floating around twitter.
As for the last two schollies, I am not TAMU, but I think his answer would be 1 grad transfer + BPA transfer whether that be a grad, or a a traditional. Need to save 1 scholarship for Joey in 2018.
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The Lawsons were never gonna come to MU. Let it go, man. Plus, they're punks. Check out the snapchat video floating around twitter.
As for the last two schollies, I am not TAMU, but I think his answer would be 1 grad transfer + BPA transfer whether that be a grad, or a a traditional. Need to save 1 scholarship for Joey in 2018.
Well I'm figuring that's what he wants too, but I'm hoping he'd give names, just because I'm Curious.
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Well I'm figuring that's what he wants too, but I'm hoping he'd give names, just because I'm Curious.
He gives plenty of names in his transfer tracker, the thread in which you are posting on.
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He gives plenty of names in his transfer tracker, the thread in which you are posting on.
Those are his rankings, but it may not necessarily mean it's who HE prefers.
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Givin this one out early. He doesn't look like much at first glance. But look a little closer. There is....intriguing potential here.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066256/eric-hester
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MU should give Charlie Moore a call.
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Moore... a PG who must sit this year. Hmmm
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MU should give Charlie Moore a call.
I would think he'll end up at Illinois.
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Moore... a PG who must sit this year. Hmmm
Not necessarily, his father is ailing, could probably get a waiver. It's been done in the past.
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Not necessarily, his father is ailing, could probably get a waiver. It's been done in the past.
NCAA closed that loophole a couple years ago. And it would be better for MU if he did have to sit. Get him a class behind Markus.
EDIT: But I think you are right. I bet he's not only going to Illinois but it's already in the bag.
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Not necessarily, his father is ailing, could probably get a waiver. It's been done in the past.
Sometimes rules change.
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NCAA closed that loophole a couple years ago. And it would be better for MU if he did have to sit. Get him a class behind Markus.
EDIT: But I think you are right. I bet he's not only going to Illinois but it's already in the bag.
MU would technically be closer however. :P
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MU would technically be closer however. :P
And Wojo may have connections with the Mac Irvin folks from the Jabari Parker days.
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Givin this one out early. He doesn't look like much at first glance. But look a little closer. There is....intriguing potential here.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066256/eric-hester
Possible connection with Brett Nelson? Only asking because of possible Florida ties.
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Charlie Moore would be perfect. I don't think there's been a better fit for a traditional transfer. I hope we give him a good run.
Moore played for Morgan Park. I assume that means his family is from around the area. Depending on how close he wants to be, here are the closest high major schools to Morgan Park.
Depaul: 30 minutes
Northwestern: 45 minutes
Notre Dame: 1 hour 39 minutes
Marquette: 1 hour, 45 minutes
Illinois: 1 hour, 52 minutes
Purdue: 1 hour, 53 minutes
The next closest high major after that is an additional hour away. My guess is that he ends up at one of the above six. Mizzou could be in play too. Follow his coach and he's still technically closer to home.
NCAA closed that loophole a couple years ago. And it would be better for MU if he did have to sit. Get him a class behind Markus.
EDIT: But I think you are right. I bet he's not only going to Illinois but it's already in the bag.
Other than proximity and Evan Daniels sending 1 tweet that he thinks Illinois will be a major player for Moore, why the certainty that he's in the bag? Illinois has already recruited him twice and he said no twice. Circumstances (and coaches) change but no one on the Illinois boards seem to think he's a lock or even likely. They think he's ending up at Northwestern or Depaul.
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I would think Charlie Moore has to be a top five transfer this summer. Would be huge for Illinois or DePaul.
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Charlie Moore would be perfect. I don't think there's been a better fit for a traditional transfer. I hope we give him a good run.
Moore played for Morgan Park. I assume that means his family is from around the area. Depending on how close he wants to be, here are the closest high major schools to Morgan Park.
Depaul: 30 minutes
Northwestern: 45 minutes
Notre Dame: 1 hour 39 minutes
Marquette: 1 hour, 45 minutes
Illinois: 1 hour, 52 minutes
Purdue: 1 hour, 53 minutes
The next closest high major after that is an additional hour away. My guess is that he ends up at one of the above six. Mizzou could be in play too. Follow his coach and he's still technically closer to home.
Other than proximity and Evan Daniels sending 1 tweet that he thinks Illinois will be a major player for Moore, why the certainty that he's in the bag? Illinois has already recruited him twice and he said no twice. Circumstances (and coaches) change but no one on the Illinois boards seem to think he's a lock or even likely. They think he's ending up at Northwestern or Depaul.
Why would anyone in their right mind actually CHOOSE to play at DePaul?? Unless you had no other options then maybe :)
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Other than proximity and Evan Daniels sending 1 tweet that he thinks Illinois will be a major player for Moore, why the certainty that he's in the bag? Illinois has already recruited him twice and he said no twice. Circumstances (and coaches) change but no one on the Illinois boards seem to think he's a lock or even likely. They think he's ending up at Northwestern or Depaul.
I think the combination of Underwood and Antigua means that they may be pushing the limits.
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To get back on topic: Charlie Moore of California is transferring to be closer to home. He is originally from Chicago, small tough guard that is fundamentally sound. I don't think we will offer but I'm sure wojo will give him a call
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To get back on topic: Charlie Moore of California is transferring to be closer to home. He is originally from Chicago, small tough guard that is fundamentally sound. I don't think we will offer but I'm sure wojo will give him a call
It was never off topic. Literally 13 of the 14 posts prior to yours were about Charlie Moore. (And the other one was about another grad transfer.)
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It was never off topic. Literally 13 of the 14 posts prior to yours were about Charlie Moore. (And the other one was about another grad transfer.)
Yeah but now we're hopelessly off topic. Mods please lock the thread.
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I agree with this anecklysis
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San Diego State's Zylan Cheatham told ESPN he has received his release to transfer.
MU should pursue solely for the puns.
Dual Cheathams? And how!
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https://painttouches.com/2017/03/29/ncaa-transfer-tracker-march-28th-edition/
Updated. More talent coming off the board than being added. But still isn't of quality transfers on there
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https://painttouches.com/2017/03/29/ncaa-transfer-tracker-march-28th-edition/
Updated. More talent coming off the board than being added. But still isn't of quality transfers on there
MU seems to be focusing more on transfers(morrow, Moore etc), then they are grad transfers, and I'm not really sure why. Some would say that there have to be minutes available for a grad transfer for them to come, and some question whether or not said minutes are available. I'll tell you what, there are two grad transfers out there that could IMO, take MU to the sweet 16 or better next year, and they should be able to get all the minutes they can handle. Just not sure at this point, what exactly Wojo is doing, and I hope like hell he hasn't been telling potential grad transfers that there may or may not be massive minutes available. At least if he's been in contact with those specific two.
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MU seems to be focusing more on transfers(morrow, Moore etc), then they are grad transfers, and I'm not really sure why. Some would say that there have to be minutes available for a grad transfer for them to come, and some question whether or not said minutes are available. I'll tell you what, there are two grad transfers out there that could IMO, take MU to the sweet 16 or better next year, and they should be able to get all the minutes they can handle. Just not sure at this point, what exactly Wojo is doing, and I hope like hell he hasn't been telling potential grad transfers that there may or may not be massive minutes available. At least if he's been in contact with those specific two.
BD says he's after Egor and we offered Cameron Johnson, so clearly he's not opposed to grad transfers for next season.
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MU seems to be focusing more on transfers(morrow, Moore etc), then they are grad transfers, and I'm not really sure why. Some would say that there have to be minutes available for a grad transfer for them to come, and some question whether or not said minutes are available. I'll tell you what, there are two grad transfers out there that could IMO, take MU to the sweet 16 or better next year, and they should be able to get all the minutes they can handle. Just not sure at this point, what exactly Wojo is doing, and I hope like hell he hasn't been telling potential grad transfers that there may or may not be massive minutes available. At least if he's been in contact with those specific two.
MU is in contact with both Cameron Johnson and Egor Koulechov. Possibly others. There's no reason to think Wojo is telling grad transfers thanks but no thanks
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BD says he's after Egor and we offered Cameron Johnson, so clearly he's not opposed to grad transfers for next season.
BD can say what he wants, not doubting his info, but it's hard to know for sure when there has been NOTHING about visits, contact with either etc. No one else has reported anything about any interest in grad transfers. Not saying it's worry time yet, but just seems oddly quiet, when you figure Reinhardt committed on like April 9th, Carlino on the 25th of April. In fact, I think I saw a list just the other day of Cam's list and MU wasn't on it..
From Corey Evans: Jamie Dixon/TCU, Brad Underwood/Illinois, Andy Kennedy/Ole Miss & Dana Altman/Oregon will complete in-homes tmrw w/Pitt transfer Cam Johnson
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MU is in contact with both Cameron Johnson and Egor Koulechov. Possibly others. There's no reason to think Wojo is telling grad transfers thanks but no thanks
That's the problem with the above statement, we have no solid 100% proof that they are doing anything with Cam or Egor, just mostly "speculation" that they are in contact.
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That's the problem with the above statement, we have no solid 100% proof that they are doing anything with Cam or Egor, just mostly "speculation" that they are in contact.
Well Cameron Johnson said Marquette offered him. So I assume sort of contact had to happen in order for that offer to be given. And Big Daddy is not a snub. If he says Marquette is talking to Egor they are talking to Egor.
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Well Cameron Johnson said Marquette offered him. So I assume sort of contact had to happen in order for that offer to be given. And Big Daddy is not a snub. If he says Marquette is talking to Egor they are talking to Egor.
With all due respect to BD, I'd like to see it from a few more sources before I take it to the bank. And I believe his last comment about it was "Stan is still working on Egor". Honestly, if he is still working on it, it's likely not going to happen. To me, with Stan and Egor's past relationship, you wouldn't think it would take him long to at least get him in for a visit.
And contact does not necessarily mean major interest. There's a big difference.
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With all due respect to BD, I'd like to see it from a few more sources before I take it to the bank. And I believe his last comment about it was "Stan is still working on Egor". Honestly, if he is still working on it, it's likely not going to happen. To me, with Stan and Egor's past relationship, you wouldn't think it would take him long to at least get him in for a visit.
And contact does not necessarily mean major interest. There's a big difference.
So...what is your point? Just let it play out. They're going to fill their openings or they can get guys worth getting.
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With all due respect to BD, I'd like to see it from a few more sources before I take it to the bank. And I believe his last comment about it was "Stan is still working on Egor". Honestly, if he is still working on it, it's likely not going to happen. To me, with Stan and Egor's past relationship, you wouldn't think it would take him long to at least get him in for a visit.
And contact does not necessarily mean major interest. There's a big difference.
Well your concern was that Wojo wasn't trying to get grad transfers. That is false. He is trying. He's reached out to more grad transfer than traditional transfers. If grad transfers aren't interested, the concern isn't Wojo's interest in grad transfer, its in the recruit's interest in coming here.
I would council more patience with Egor. Two weeks ago, NO ONE knew that Egor was going to take a visit to Gainesville. Last week, NO ONE knew that Iowa State was getting a visit from Egor. I know some recruits broadcast their every move. Egor isn't like that.
Trust me, I'm tracking every single grad transfer and traditional transfer. A vast majority haven't set any visits yet. Transfermania lasts a couple of months. We're only in week two.
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That's the problem with the above statement, we have no solid 100% proof that they are doing anything with Cam or Egor, just mostly "speculation" that they are in contact.
So if there isn't 100% proof, why are you drawing assumptions like this:
MU seems to be focusing more on transfers(morrow, Moore etc), then they are grad transfers, and I'm not really sure why.
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So if there isn't 100% proof, why are you drawing assumptions like this:
Because we have MORE proof that's where their focus is whether it be an article by Matty v, or a twitter follow by one of the coaches, there's more proof of that, then grad transfer interest. Nelson following Moore on Twitter, the in home with Jemarl Baker, Matty V reporting they were going to see Morrow before the spring signing period.
We have heard NOTHING concrete on Egor, and only an offer to Cam Johnson, but then an in home visit list didn't have MU. Where the yare focusing(traditional transfers), seems really perplexing to me.
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Because we have MORE proof that's where their focus is whether it be an article by Matty v, or a twitter follow by one of the coaches, there's more proof of that, then grad transfer interest. Nelson following Moore on Twitter, the in home with Jemarl Baker, Matty V reporting they were going to see Morrow before the spring signing period.
We have heard NOTHING concrete on Egor, and only an offer to Cam Johnson, but then an in home visit list didn't have MU. Where the yare focusing(traditional transfers), seems really perplexing to me.
Wojo doesn't know sheet about landing quality Grad transfers...probably on vacation with no cell for a week or two.
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FWIW...Dodds states MU is not pursuing Egor.
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FWIW...Dodds states MU is not pursuing Egor.
Not sure where he said that(he hasn't said it on his board)...but it wouldn't surprise me if they aren't. Pretty sad they wouldn't be after the best grad transfer on the market, but everyone seems to trust all of Wojo's decisions so..
*But if it comes out that they aren't pursuing him, then people owe me an apology as it would then appear Wojo isn't interested in grad transfers this year(because if you aren't interested in Koulachev there's a problem, he's the best out there), which I have stated all the tea leaves seem to suggest*
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FWIW...Dodds states MU is not pursuing Egor.
But what does that mean? BD said that Stan reached out - I believe he said that Katin was talking to him as well. If Egor said "no thanks," then "not pursuing" him is time saved.
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Not sure where he said that(he hasn't said it on his board)...but it wouldn't surprise me if they aren't. Pretty sad they wouldn't be after the best grad transfer on the market, but everyone seems to trust all of Wojo's decisions so..
*But if it comes out that they aren't pursuing him, then people owe me an apology as it would then appear Wojo isn't interested in grad transfers this year(because if you aren't interested in Koulachev there's a problem, he's the best out there), which I have stated all the tea leaves seem to suggest*
No one will owe you anything. You've been told multiple times that Wojo has reached out to both Egor and Cameron Johnson. If it turns out that the interest isn't mutual that doesn't mean Wojo didn't persue. Grad transfers aren't a buffet line. You don't just pick the one you like. You're right that egor is the best. Every other program in the nation realizes that too .
Also, we are at the end of week 1 of transfer mania. It's not even week 2 yet. A vast majority of grad transfers have yet to release any lists much less take any visits.
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No one will owe you anything. You've been told multiple times that Wojo has reached out to both Egor and Cameron Johnson. If it turns out that the interest isn't mutual that doesn't mean Wojo didn't persue. Grad transfers aren't a buffet line. You don't just pick the one you like. You're right that egor is the best. Every other program in the nation realizes that too .
Also, we are at the end of week 1 of transfer mania. It's not even week 2 yet. A vast majority of grad transfers have yet to release any lists much less take any visits.
I get that, but some don't even take visits or release lists, they just commit...see Reinhardt, Katin, Carlino, Matt and a host of others through the years.
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I get that, but some don't even take visits or release lists, they just commit...see Reinhardt, Katin, Carlino, Matt and a host of others through the years.
Exactly. There were no "tea leaves" to read in those recruitments. Yet grad transfers still ended up here. So why does lack of tea leaves this year mean Wojo is not interested in grad transfers? Especially when there have been tea leaves saying that Wojo had reached out to the two best grad transfers on the market?
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Exactly
Well, if you agree with that, then you can't also make the claim that we are "only a week into the process", as if it's no big deal. Grad Transfers do and have committed without taking visits before, and typically don't go thru the process for a long time before deciding. Programs have to know, so they can decide how to proceed.
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Well, if you agree with that, then you can't also make the claim that we are "only a week into the process", as if it's no big deal. Grad Transfers do and have committed without taking visits before, and typically don't go thru the process for a long time before deciding. Programs have to know, so they can decide how to proceed.
You missed the point of my exactly. I edited my post before you replied to explain further. You have zero proof that Wojo is not interested in grad transfers. Zero. There is proof that he is interested. So your complaint that Wojo isn't interested in grad transfers and should be is invalid. He is pursuing two. Whether or not he lands them is irrelevant to the complaint that he's not pursuing grad transfers.
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Well, if you agree with that, then you can't also make the claim that we are "only a week into the process", as if it's no big deal. Grad Transfers do and have committed without taking visits before, and typically don't go thru the process for a long time before deciding. Programs have to know, so they can decide how to proceed.
What TAMU was saying appears to have went way over your head
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What TAMU was saying appears to have went way over your head
No, he edited after I responded. All he had said previously was "exactly".
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You missed the point of my exactly. I edited my post before you replied to explain further. You have zero proof that Wojo is not interested in grad transfers. Zero. There is proof that he is interested. So your complaint that Wojo isn't interested in grad transfers and should be is invalid. He is pursuing two. Whether or not he lands them is irrelevant to the complaint that he's not pursuing grad transfers.
But half the idea of pursuing is also landing them. Yes I have said all along "pursuing" he probably likely is..he can pursue till he's called them all..but if he doesnt land one, then his sales pitch may not be good enough. He's landed two of the best grad transfers in the past in Carlino and Reinhardt..and got them both without either visiting.
Not saying it will work like that all the time, but regardless..I'm concered about him landing one..thats my main objective. That being said..if it's not Egor or Cam..I'd just rather move on to a traditional transfer instead then. I just don't see any other grad transfers that would be difference makers for them like both of them would be.
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MU seems to be focusing more on transfers(morrow, Moore etc), then they are grad transfers, and I'm not really sure why. Some would say that there have to be minutes available for a grad transfer for them to come, and some question whether or not said minutes are available. I'll tell you what, there are two grad transfers out there that could IMO, take MU to the sweet 16 or better next year, and they should be able to get all the minutes they can handle. Just not sure at this point, what exactly Wojo is doing, and I hope like hell he hasn't been telling potential grad transfers that there may or may not be massive minutes available. At least if he's been in contact with those specific two.
I think conventional transfers bring a lot to the table. They get to sit out a year and work on conditioning and improving their game . They also have that time to build relationships with teammates and coaches and become part of the school community. Grad transfers are highly sought after. The good ones need absolute certain as to their role and circumstances surrounding the team. My feeling with both types of transfers is to aim as high as possible , no projects.
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But half the idea of pursuing is also landing them. Yes I have said all along "pursuing" he probably likely is..he can pursue till he's called them all..but if he doesnt land one, then his sales pitch may not be good enough. He's landed two of the best grad transfers in the past in Carlino and Reinhardt..and got them both without either visiting.
Not saying it will work like that all the time, but regardless..I'm concered about him landing one..thats my main objective. That being said..if it's not Egor or Cam..I'd just rather move on to a traditional transfer instead then. I just don't see any other grad transfers that would be difference makers for them like both of them would be.
So if you were a Duke fan right now you'd be concerned with Coach K's ability to sell a kid on coming to Duke because neither of the 2 best grad transfers in the country have even scheduled a visit with Duke? Or a Kentucky fan you'd be concerned with Cal's recruiting because neither of the 2 best grad transfers in the country have scheduled a visit to Lexington?
Frankly I'm concerned that Wojo doesn't sign the best C, PG, forward, and wing in every single class, and then, despite getting them to play well enough to make up the top 4 projected picks in the NBA Draft, convinces each of them to stay 4 years and get their degrees with a 4.0 GPA in engineering or accounting. Not sure Wojo's got it in terms of recruiting...
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But half the idea of pursuing is also landing them. Yes I have said all along "pursuing" he probably likely is..he can pursue till he's called them all..but if he doesnt land one, then his sales pitch may not be good enough. He's landed two of the best grad transfers in the past in Carlino and Reinhardt..and got them both without either visiting.
See you've switched from the problem is Wojo isn't talking to grad transfers to the problem is Wojo hasn't landed one of the two best grad transfers yet.....by April 15th.....which if your standard for a coach is that must land one of the two best grad transfers every year....prepared to be disappointed most years. Neither Reinhardt nor Carlino was in the top 10 grad transfers in their year. Both very solid, but there have been a lot of quality grad transfers the past few years. I do think its funny that you say Wojo has landed two of the best grad transfers in two of the past three years....but then you question his recruiting pitch to grad transfers. You are frustrated with Wojo for not landing Cam Johnson or Egor....but NO ONE has landed them yet! So you must be frustrated with every coach.
Not saying it will work like that all the time, but regardless..I'm concered about him landing one..thats my main objective. That being said..if it's not Egor or Cam..I'd just rather move on to a traditional transfer instead then. I just don't see any other grad transfers that would be difference makers for them like both of them would be.
If you think Egor or Cam are the the only two grad transfers worthy of Marquette, you either overestimate Marquette or underestimate the pool of grad transfers. A brief glance at my list and I'd guess there's currently about 35 out there who would at very least be a rotation player for Marquette. There are around 10 who I think would be starters. There are 6 who I think would have a shot at being the best player on our team next season. And again, it's April 15th. While the transfers are starting to slow, new names are still coming in every day. I'd estimate somewhere between 300-350 more players will transfer this offseason.
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And there might be 0-1 grad transfers considering Marquette or who Marquette is recruiting.
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And there might be 0-1 grad transfers considering Marquette or who Marquette is recruiting.
If MU isn't recruting any grad transfers, then that's a mistake on their part. BIG mistake. I know you are totally comfortable with letting all the kids play and going with what they have for next year...I respect that, but it would likely be at the cost of making the NCAA's again. Is that really what you want?? Gambling on the chance that this team reaches it's potential in '18-'19?? And what if it doesn't?? I know you despise transfers Ted. I get that, none of us like them, but it's absolutely the way of college basketball now days. And if you really and truly believe that MU's team that will be together the next year, are together all four years...I will have some of what you are smoking. I'd wager massive amounts of money that MU will have at least one transfer out within the next couple years. That's just being realistic.
That's why you HAVE to capitalize on opportunities to make the team better when you have the chance. Win now. The future is exactly that...the future. Completely unpredicatable. You're smart enough to know that.
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I don't despise transfers. I just think they should be brought in ONLY when you have a definite need.
Do you know why I am and always have been leary about transfers? Because they can play with the chemistry of the team like it did with the high school team I played on. I was a bit player for the 7th ranked Wisconsin team in Class B in the 1978-79 season. We started the season with 3 seniors and 9 juniors. I was one of the seniors and another senior was a transfer from a neighboring Class C school where he had been a first team all-conference performer. The junior class had been undefeated as a class from 7th grade through junior varsity. The transfer's arrival led to 2 former varsity members deciding not to go out for the team since they didn't see playing time in their futures as seniors.
After losing our first game of the season, we had rattled off 10 straight wins, including a big win over a rival conference school that played in Class A. The kid who transferred in was playing about 18 out of 32 minutes a game off the bench. Instead of understanding his role, he felt he should be starting and playing more minutes and I can guarantee you that as an close observer, he was mistaken and was having some issues with the playing style,which was more half court than he was use to at his Class C school. Right after that 10th straight win, he went into the coaches office and quit the team.
So instead of buying in, he was totally selfish leaving the team short in the frontcourt where was one of the former members of the team, who didn't go out, could have helped. If he would have bought in there is a solid chance that team would have been in Madison in the state tournament like the junior class did a year later. We lost in the sectional semi-final on a last second shot.
That's my issue with transfers and making sure they are really going to be an advantage and yes, I don't really care if Wojo adds another player to this team and if they do, I hope its a player who is team oriented. I worry that a grad transfer is going to expect 28-30 minutes a game and it will affect the freshmen, who I am obviously high on.
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I don't despise transfers. I just think they should be brought in ONLY when you have a definite need.
Do you know why I am and always have been leary about transfers? Because they can play with the chemistry of the team like it did with the high school team I played on. I was a bit player for the 7th ranked Wisconsin team in Class B in the 1978-79 season. We started the season with 3 seniors and 9 juniors. I was one of the seniors and another senior was a transfer from a neighboring Class C school where he had been a first team all-conference performer. The junior class had been undefeated as a class from 7th grade through junior varsity. The transfer's arrival led to 2 former varsity members deciding not to go out for the team since they didn't see playing time in their futures as seniors.
After losing our first game of the season, we had rattled off 10 straight wins, including a big win over a rival conference school that played in Class A. The kid who transferred in was playing about 18 out of 32 minutes a game off the bench. Instead of understanding his role, he felt he should be starting and playing more minutes and I can guarantee you that as an close observer, he was mistaken and was having some issues with the playing style,which was more half court than he was use to at his Class C school. Right after that 10th straight win, he went into the coaches office and quit the team.
So instead of buying in, he was totally selfish leaving the team short in the frontcourt where was one of the former members of the team, who didn't go out, could have helped. If he would have bought in there is a solid chance that team would have been in Madison in the state tournament like the junior class did a year later. We lost in the sectional semi-final on a last second shot.
That's my issue with transfers and making sure they are really going to be an advantage and yes, I don't really care if Wojo adds another player to this team and if they do, I hope its a player who is team oriented. I worry that a grad transfer is going to expect 28-30 minutes a game and it will affect the freshmen, who I am obviously high on.
All very valid points Ted(as you usally make). As far as your point about it affecting the Freshman, and said grad transfer being a team oriented player..I would ask you this..If MU brought in a grad transfer that got 28-30 Minutes a game, and was a key cog in MU winning games(took over a few games to will them to a victory), and MU got to the Sweet 16 because of said transfer, then isn't it also up to the Freshman to be good teammates, and realize that even at the expense of their minutes THIS year, it's helping the team win, and achieve great things, and realize that they will get their chance next year??
I get that kids want to play, who doesn't?? But sometimes kids also need to look themselves in the mirror and understand that they will get their chance, and you know what, there are players better then them. I think that's the problem with a lot of kids now days, they all think they are better then the next. Sometimes, relaity is a b*itch, and it's not like that. Accepting that can go a long ways towards being a good teammate. That's just my opinion.
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If MU isn't recruting any grad transfers, then that's a mistake on their part. BIG mistake. I know you are totally comfortable with letting all the kids play and going with what they have for next year...I respect that, but it would likely be at the cost of making the NCAA's again. Is that really what you want?? Gambling on the chance that this team reaches it's potential in '18-'19?? And what if it doesn't?? I know you despise transfers Ted. I get that, none of us like them, but it's absolutely the way of college basketball now days. And if you really and truly believe that MU's team that will be together the next year, are together all four years...I will have some of what you are smoking. I'd wager massive amounts of money that MU will have at least one transfer out within the next couple years. That's just being realistic.
That's why you HAVE to capitalize on opportunities to make the team better when you have the chance. Win now. The future is exactly that...the future. Completely unpredicatable. You're smart enough to know that.
Must be rough going through life always seeking out the negative, always looking to complain just for the sake of complaining.
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Must be rough going through life always seeking out the negative, always looking to complain just for the sake of complaining.
What do you find so negative in Guru's post?
Realistic assessments may be "rough" but are ultimately necessary to be successful.
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I don't despise transfers. I just think they should be brought in ONLY when you have a definite need.
Do you know why I am and always have been leary about transfers? Because they can play with the chemistry of the team like it did with the high school team I played on. I was a bit player for the 7th ranked Wisconsin team in Class B in the 1978-79 season. We started the season with 3 seniors and 9 juniors. I was one of the seniors and another senior was a transfer from a neighboring Class C school where he had been a first team all-conference performer. The junior class had been undefeated as a class from 7th grade through junior varsity. The transfer's arrival led to 2 former varsity members deciding not to go out for the team since they didn't see playing time in their futures as seniors.
After losing our first game of the season, we had rattled off 10 straight wins, including a big win over a rival conference school that played in Class A. The kid who transferred in was playing about 18 out of 32 minutes a game off the bench. Instead of understanding his role, he felt he should be starting and playing more minutes and I can guarantee you that as an close observer, he was mistaken and was having some issues with the playing style,which was more half court than he was use to at his Class C school. Right after that 10th straight win, he went into the coaches office and quit the team.
So instead of buying in, he was totally selfish leaving the team short in the frontcourt where was one of the former members of the team, who didn't go out, could have helped. If he would have bought in there is a solid chance that team would have been in Madison in the state tournament like the junior class did a year later. We lost in the sectional semi-final on a last second shot.
That's my issue with transfers and making sure they are really going to be an advantage and yes, I don't really care if Wojo adds another player to this team and if they do, I hope its a player who is team oriented. I worry that a grad transfer is going to expect 28-30 minutes a game and it will affect the freshmen, who I am obviously high on.
Wuz dat Park Falls, hey?
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If muguru was a fan of UCLA during the Wooden era, he'd complain about 1966 & 1974.
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Wuz dat Park Falls, hey?
Close. Park Falls beat the team that beat us in the sectional final.
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What do you find so negative in Guru's post?
Realistic assessments may be "rough" but are ultimately necessary to be successful.
Well, for one thing, despite being repeatedly told that Wojo has recruited grad transfers and continues to do so, he keeps talking as if Wojo isn't recruiting them.
Historically, muguru has been prone to knee-jerk reactions based on incomplete information, lashing out at coaches, being extremely easily frustrated by even minor setbacks, etc.
I probably was guilty of hyperbole myself, however, when I said he is "always" negative. That isn't true, and for that I apologize. "Often" or "mostly" would have been better words to use.
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Well, for one thing, despite being repeatedly told that Wojo has recruited grad transfers and continues to do so, he keeps talking as if Wojo isn't recruiting them.
And then says "Yes I have said all along "pursuing" he probably likely is..he can pursue till he's called them all..but if he doesnt land one, then his sales pitch may not be good enough."
Classic message board goal-post shifting.
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And then says "Yes I have said all along "pursuing" he probably likely is..he can pursue till he's called them all..but if he doesnt land one, then his sales pitch may not be good enough."
Classic message board goal-post shifting.
Well, here's the thing, I figured everyone was smart enough to assume that if he's pursuing someone, it's with the hopes of landing him, doesn't that make sense?? So you can say "he's pursuing grad transfers", which yes is PROBABLY true(but I'd rather wait until I hear it from other MU sources before I'd truly believe it), but would anyone truly be satisfied with him pursuing Egor and Cam without actually landing one of them(or both)?? So if you want to deal in semantics, go ahead..But i was giving everyone's intelligence the benfit of the doubt here that they would think it makes sense that I(or anyone)that wants to know they are pursuing grad transfers, that if they are, they then land them. Otherwise, what's the point?? Who cares if they are pursuing them, if it doesn't result in a commitment?? I guess that goes along with the way the world is now and everone gets A's for effort, and for trying, huh??
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Evan DanielsVerified account @EvanDaniels 22m22 minutes ago
Miami (Ohio) transfer Michael Weathers is headed to Oklahoma State, per a source.
Averaged 16.7 PPG, 4.8 APG & 4.2 RPG last season.
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Well, here's the thing, I figured everyone was smart enough to assume that if he's pursuing someone, it's with the hopes of landing him, doesn't that make sense?? So you can say "he's pursuing grad transfers", which yes is PROBABLY true(but I'd rather wait until I hear it from other MU sources before I'd truly believe it), but would anyone truly be satisfied with him pursuing Egor and Cam without actually landing one of them(or both)?? So if you want to deal in semantics, go ahead..But i was giving everyone's intelligence the benfit of the doubt here that they would think it makes sense that I(or anyone)that wants to know they are pursuing grad transfers, that if they are, they then land them. Otherwise, what's the point?? Who cares if they are pursuing them, if it doesn't result in a commitment?? I guess that goes along with the way the world is now and everone gets A's for effort, and for trying, huh??
I don't know where to start, other than if you freak out over every missed recruit, you'll be depressed more often than not.
If we miss out and have Howard and Rowsey at the point, Cheatham and Anim at the two, Hauser and Cain at the three, and Heldt, Froling, and John sharing the four/five with Eke and Elliott available, I can live with that.
If we up the talent, I would be happy, but no sense in freaking out if it doesn't happen since none of us have any control over it.
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Well, here's the thing, I figured everyone was smart enough to assume that if he's pursuing someone, it's with the hopes of landing him, doesn't that make sense?? So you can say "he's pursuing grad transfers", which yes is PROBABLY true(but I'd rather wait until I hear it from other MU sources before I'd truly believe it), but would anyone truly be satisfied with him pursuing Egor and Cam without actually landing one of them(or both)?? So if you want to deal in semantics, go ahead..But i was giving everyone's intelligence the benfit of the doubt here that they would think it makes sense that I(or anyone)that wants to know they are pursuing grad transfers, that if they are, they then land them. Otherwise, what's the point?? Who cares if they are pursuing them, if it doesn't result in a commitment?? I guess that goes along with the way the world is now and everone gets A's for effort, and for trying, huh??
So why not just say, "I'm concerned Wojo hasn't landed a stud grad transfer" (a ridiculous concern) in the first place? Then you get upset at other people for taking what you say...well, as you say it, rather than what you claim you meant to say, which is completely different than what you actually said.
The fault is yours. You can be upset about it and claim people are stupid, but you're the one who can't say what you claim you're meaning to say.
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Well, here's the thing, I figured everyone was smart enough to assume that if he's pursuing someone, it's with the hopes of landing him, doesn't that make sense?? So you can say "he's pursuing grad transfers", which yes is PROBABLY true(but I'd rather wait until I hear it from other MU sources before I'd truly believe it), but would anyone truly be satisfied with him pursuing Egor and Cam without actually landing one of them(or both)?? So if you want to deal in semantics, go ahead..But i was giving everyone's intelligence the benfit of the doubt here that they would think it makes sense that I(or anyone)that wants to know they are pursuing grad transfers, that if they are, they then land them. Otherwise, what's the point?? Who cares if they are pursuing them, if it doesn't result in a commitment?? I guess that goes along with the way the world is now and everone gets A's for effort, and for trying, huh??
Satisfied? No. Disappointed? Sure. Think Wojo is inadequate, not trying hard enough, and asking "what the hell is Wojo doing?" Not even close.
Again, recruiting grad transfers is not a buffet line. You don't just pick what you want and take it. I promise you that Wojo is putting the full court press on both Cam Johnson and the Rice Russian. He is doing everything he can. Despite that, there is still a chance that both could choose to go elsewhere. Because just about every other high major coach is also putting the full court press and doing everything they can to land them. I'm not sure what it is that you think Wojo isn't doing that he should be doing in order to land a stud grad transfer.
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Evan DanielsVerified account @EvanDaniels 22m22 minutes ago
Miami (Ohio) transfer Michael Weathers is headed to Oklahoma State, per a source.
Averaged 16.7 PPG, 4.8 APG & 4.2 RPG last season.
Not surprising. The head coach that just got fired from Miami just got hired at Ok State as an assistant. Wonder if Marcus Weathers is also invited.
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Well, here's the thing, I figured everyone was smart enough to assume that if he's pursuing someone, it's with the hopes of landing him, doesn't that make sense?? So you can say "he's pursuing grad transfers", which yes is PROBABLY true(but I'd rather wait until I hear it from other MU sources before I'd truly believe it), but would anyone truly be satisfied with him pursuing Egor and Cam without actually landing one of them(or both)?? So if you want to deal in semantics, go ahead..But i was giving everyone's intelligence the benfit of the doubt here that they would think it makes sense that I(or anyone)that wants to know they are pursuing grad transfers, that if they are, they then land them. Otherwise, what's the point?? Who cares if they are pursuing them, if it doesn't result in a commitment?? I guess that goes along with the way the world is now and everone gets A's for effort, and for trying, huh??
I hate to break it to you, but most recruits that coaches pursue aren't landed by them. Of course I want Wojo to land a grad transfer if he is pursuing him. If he doesn't, well that sucks but life goes on. He's proven to be quite a good recruiter so all in all he's doing fine.
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These transfers don't always work out as planned. Here is a good story on Montaque Gill-Caesar , a kid we recruited, he ultimately went to Missouri and then transferred to San Diego State . He was hyped for Mountain West preseason player of the year and ended up a very bad year this year,12.3 mpg ,3.3 ppg on 28 percent shooting.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-azhoops-20170203-story.html
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Chris Williams @ChrisMWilliams 4h4 hours ago
Nebraska transfer Ed Marrow will officially visit Iowa State on April 28-30. Others in play are Marquette and Xavier.
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Chris Williams @ChrisMWilliams 4h4 hours ago
Nebraska transfer Ed Marrow will officially visit Iowa State on April 28-30. Others in play are Marquette and Xavier.
Let's get him on Campus.
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He gowne, hey?
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Definitely would love to see us land Morrow.
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MiKyle McIntosh PF from Illinois State. Grad transfer.
http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/mikyle-mcintosh-plans-to-leave-illinois-state-men-s-basketball/article_4037a5bc-21bc-11e7-8485-8be7bbba43e4.html
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MiKyle McIntosh PF from Illinois State. Grad transfer.
http://www.videtteonline.com/sports/mikyle-mcintosh-plans-to-leave-illinois-state-men-s-basketball/article_4037a5bc-21bc-11e7-8485-8be7bbba43e4.html
A good prospect
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Yankee dude, I luv ya like a bro, butt does anyone ever suck, hey?
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Illinois St's MiKyle McIntosh will declare for NBA Draft without an agent and then be a grad transfer if he doesn't go pro, per Dan Muller.
- Jon Rothstein
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Illinois St's MiKyle McIntosh will declare for NBA Draft without an agent and then be a grad transfer if he doesn't go pro, per Dan Muller.
- Jon Rothstein
In simpler terms, MiKyle McIntosh will grad transfer
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In simpler terms, MiKyle McIntosh will grad transfer
LOL...yup.
And some good landing spots may dry up in the process.
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Yankee dude, I luv ya like a bro, butt does anyone ever suck, hey?
Love these young kids who are working hard to realize on their dreams , so in my view the players never suck. Any kid interested in Marquette is worthy of even more praise.
Now as to the coaches,they are paid professionals and I am happy to point out their deficiencies from the comfortable anonymous confine of an internet message board.
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Evan DanielsVerified account @EvanDaniels · 25m25 minutes ago
Big day in Houston for Lon Kruger. The Oklahoma coach will see Egor Koulechov, per sources. Then has an in-home visit with Quentin Grimes.
People wonder why I get all worked up thinking MU isn't chasing any grad transfers?? It's because of the lack of reports like this. Not even just with Egor, but with any grad transfers. I think if MU was doing in homes or setting up on campus visits etc, SOMEONE would know about it, and would have reported it. That's all I'm saying.
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Evan DanielsVerified account @EvanDaniels · 25m25 minutes ago
Big day in Houston for Lon Kruger. The Oklahoma coach will see Egor Koulechov, per sources. Then has an in-home visit with Quentin Grimes.
People wonder why I get all worked up thinking MU isn't chasing any grad transfers?? It's because of the lack of reports like this. Not even just with Egor, but with any grad transfers. I think if MU was doing in homes or setting up on campus visits etc, SOMEONE would know about it, and would have reported it. That's all I'm saying.
I think we get it.
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Evan DanielsVerified account @EvanDaniels · 25m25 minutes ago
Big day in Houston for Lon Kruger. The Oklahoma coach will see Egor Koulechov, per sources. Then has an in-home visit with Quentin Grimes.
People wonder why I get all worked up thinking MU isn't chasing any grad transfers?? It's because of the lack of reports like this. Not even just with Egor, but with any grad transfers. I think if MU was doing in homes or setting up on campus visits etc, SOMEONE would know about it, and would have reported it. That's all I'm saying.
There are quotes straight from the horse's mouth about Wojo pursuing grad transfers but you decide to call them unreliable sources and whine about the lack of interest from MU in grad transfers. So in reality, even if we got those types of reports, you'd write it off as FAKE NEWS and complain just to continue complaining.
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There are quotes straight from the horse's mouth about Wojo pursuing grad transfers but you decide to call them unreliable sources and whine about the lack of interest from MU in grad transfers. So in reality, even if we got those types of reports, you'd write it off as FAKE NEWS and complain just to continue complaining.
Not if it comes from a national source like Daniels, or a Mark Miller or some others that are dialed in to MU.
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Evan DanielsVerified account @EvanDaniels · 25m25 minutes ago
Big day in Houston for Lon Kruger. The Oklahoma coach will see Egor Koulechov, per sources. Then has an in-home visit with Quentin Grimes.
People wonder why I get all worked up thinking MU isn't chasing any grad transfers?? It's because of the lack of reports like this. Not even just with Egor, but with any grad transfers. I think if MU was doing in homes or setting up on campus visits etc, SOMEONE would know about it, and would have reported it. That's all I'm saying.
Yet earlier in this thread you acknowledged (brought up actually) how Wojo landed both Car3no and Katin without their being any reports beforehand.....
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Evan DanielsVerified account @EvanDaniels · 25m25 minutes ago
Big day in Houston for Lon Kruger. The Oklahoma coach will see Egor Koulechov, per sources. Then has an in-home visit with Quentin Grimes.
People wonder why I get all worked up thinking MU isn't chasing any grad transfers?? It's because of the lack of reports like this. Not even just with Egor, but with any grad transfers. I think if MU was doing in homes or setting up on campus visits etc, SOMEONE would know about it, and would have reported it. That's all I'm saying.
A kid like Cam Johnson has over 30 offers including from us. If Cam gave every coach an in home visit, he would barely have time to go to school, work out etc. Also with these grad transfers, we need to have an actionable offer to make. We have a legitimate need for an experienced 4 and we have minutes available at the 2/3. Grad Transfers evaluate where they are likely to get max playing time and exposure.
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Jon RothsteinVerified account
@JonRothstein
Virginia grad transfer Darius Thompson is currently visiting Butler, per a source. Immediately eligible for next season.
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Trey Mines @T_Mines5
6'7 Forward Antwan Walker made it official that he will stay w/ the Hoyas after meeting w/ HC Pat Ewing this morning on the Hill!
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Trey Mines @T_Mines5
6'7 Forward Antwan Walker made it official that he will stay w/ the Hoyas after meeting w/ HC Pat Ewing this morning on the Hill!
The big one is Waters..if they keep him, then they may have something..but I just don't think he's going to end up staying.
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Yet earlier in this thread you acknowledged (brought up actually) how Wojo landed both Car3no and Katin without their being any reports beforehand.....
LOL
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Yet earlier in this thread you acknowledged (brought up actually) how Wojo landed both Car3no and Katin without their being any reports beforehand.....
Yes, there were no reports(like published nationally or anything), but if you read the right stuff, listened to the right people and connected the dots, you knew they were in great shape with both. I and many others had very strong hunches both were going to happen. In this instance, no one is talking, there is no dot connecting etc. It's extremely quiet.
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Yes, there were no reports(like published nationally or anything), but if you read the right stuff, listened to the right people and connected the dots, you knew they were in great shape with both. I and many others had very strong hunches both were going to happen. In this instance, no one is talking, there is no dot connecting etc. It's extremely quiet.
So when insiders like Big Daddy post things you say:
Not if it comes from a national source like Daniels, or a Mark Miller or some others that are dialed in to MU.
But when Car3no and Katin commit with nary a whisper its all about talking to the right people and listening to insiders.
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So when insiders like Big Daddy post things you say:
But when Car3no and Katin commit with nary a whisper its all about talking to the right people and listening to insiders.
And what exactly has BD said?? Other than Wojo wants Morrow(that was pretty well known), Stan is working on 2018, and Egor is out?? Said something about still wanting one traditional transfer, and one grad transfer I don't know if that meant him, or the staff..but regardless, he hasn't given any names as to anyone they are pursuing(as far as grad transfers or traditional transfers). It's all been general stuff.
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And what exactly has BD said?? Other than Wojo wants Morrow(that was pretty well known), Stan is working on 2018, and Egor is out?? Said something about still wanting one traditional transfer, and one grad transfer I don't know if that meant him, or the staff..but regardless, he hasn't given any names as to anyone they are pursuing(as far as grad transfers or traditional transfers). It's all been general stuff.
He said we were working on Egor but you claimed that it didn't matter and you didn't believe because you had heard it from national media.
I promise you, Wojo and co. are putting the full court press on recruiting right now. They are doing everything they can. But so is every other coach in America. Coaches fail to land a vast majority of the recruits they go after. Nature of the game. Going after Egor and missing out is not a reason to ask "what the hell is the coach doing? His recruiting pitch needs work." If it was a pattern, sure. But recruiting is the one area that Wojo has been consistently above average on.
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Think of it this way, if Wojo felt any of the grad transfers were a must get, you'd be seeing Marquette's name on Twitter as one of the schools coming to visit the transfer. Either we haven't seen that name yet or Wojo isn't going hard on the grad transfer route right now.
The only non-2018 players he's been known to meet with was the 2017 guard from Corona, CA who opted for Kentucky and Morrow. As a result I'm going to go with the 11 on scholarship for next year until we hear another name. Just check the boards and Twitter a few times a day and let it happen. Can't worry about it.
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Think of it this way, if Wojo felt any of the grad transfers were a must get, you'd be seeing Marquette's name on Twitter as one of the schools coming to visit the transfer. Either we haven't seen that name yet or Wojo isn't going hard on the grad transfer route right now.
The only non-2018 players he's been known to meet with was the 2017 guard from Corona, CA who opted for Kentucky and Morrow. As a result I'm going to go with the 11 on scholarship for next year until we hear another name. Just check the boards and Twitter a few times a day and let it happen. Can't worry about it.
This is EXACTLY my point Ted..and what others like TAMU don't seem to get..IF Wojo was pursuing a grad transfer hard it WOULD have been on twitter by now. It always is..the kids he visits for 2018 you'll see on twitter..the fact he's interested/visited Morrow, we saw on Twitter..Everything gets out eventually, one way or another..And if not on twitter..then Matty V would have it, Mark Miller would have it, etc.
So, based on the lack of info we have seen so far, I think the notion he is after grad transfers hard, is a misnomer. He's maybe checked in on some, or gotten calls from some etc, but if he was in serious pursuit of one, we'd know it by now.
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This is EXACTLY my point Ted..and what others like TAMU don't seem to get..IF Wojo was pursuing a grad transfer hard it WOULD have been on twitter by now. It always is..the kids he visits for 2018 you'll see on twitter..the fact he's interested/visited Morrow, we saw on Twitter..Everything gets out eventually, one way or another..And if not on twitter..then Matty V would have it, Mark Miller would have it, etc.
So, based on the lack of info we have seen so far, I think the notion he is after grad transfers hard, is a misnomer. He's maybe checked in on some, or gotten calls from some etc, but if he was in serious pursuit of one, we'd know it by now.
We all get it. Everyone gets it. But no matter how many WORDS YOU TYPE IN CAPS, how many times you post about how we need an impact grad transfer, and no matter what may or may not be going on behind the scenes, there is nothing we can do about it. Freaking the f*** out and posting like you're hyperventilating through a keyboard isn't going to speed the process or get Wojo on anyone's doorstep.
I understand that you live your life in a constant manic state. That's your prerogative. But you don't have to try to constantly put the rest of us in that same state.
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We all get it. Everyone gets it. But no matter how many WORDS YOU TYPE IN CAPS, how many times you post about how we need an impact grad transfer, and no matter what may or may not be going on behind the scenes, there is nothing we can do about it. Freaking the f*** out and posting like you're hyperventilating through a keyboard isn't going to speed the process or get Wojo on anyone's doorstep.
I understand that you live your life in a constant manic state. That's your prerogative. But you don't have to try to constantly put the rest of us in that same state.
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Let him hyperventilate, then hopefully he'll pass out and stop posting.
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We all get it. Everyone gets it. But no matter how many WORDS YOU TYPE IN CAPS, how many times you post about how we need an impact grad transfer, and no matter what may or may not be going on behind the scenes, there is nothing we can do about it. Freaking the f*** out and posting like you're hyperventilating through a keyboard isn't going to speed the process or get Wojo on anyone's doorstep.
I understand that you live your life in a constant manic state. That's your prerogative. But you don't have to try to constantly put the rest of us in that same state.
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I hate the MU offseason..I always want news to happen. Once it does, I'm okay. That's just how I am. Get a commit, a transfer in, a transfer out, it doesn't really matter to me, I just want something. I know it doesn't work that way with college BB in the offseason, but I can't help it. Other schools get commits etc, and things to talk about this time of year, every week something happens, someone commits somewhere, someone transfers etc. It's exciting, because it's something..I'm not a patient person, never have been, never will be, and that's how I am with everything..I am ALWAYS in a hurry. Always. No matter what it is.
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Let him hyperventilate, then hopefully he'll pass out and stop posting.
Dont worry you will all get a break next week when the NFL Draft happens..I'm a huge draftnik and get totally submerged in that. Oh and the NFL schedule comes out Thursday so I have that too. Just hate the end of CBB season until the NFL draft. I'm not a hockey or NBA guy so don't have a lot of interest in that.
I love baseball(Coached it for 5 years), but that only keeps my interest for so long. That's just how I roll.
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This is EXACTLY my point Ted..and what others like TAMU don't seem to get..IF Wojo was pursuing a grad transfer hard it WOULD have been on twitter by now. It always is..the kids he visits for 2018 you'll see on twitter..the fact he's interested/visited Morrow, we saw on Twitter..Everything gets out eventually, one way or another..And if not on twitter..then Matty V would have it, Mark Miller would have it, etc.
So, based on the lack of info we have seen so far, I think the notion he is after grad transfers hard, is a misnomer. He's maybe checked in on some, or gotten calls from some etc, but if he was in serious pursuit of one, we'd know it by now.
We get it. Though its funny because earlier you brought up how Car3no and Katin weren't mentioned on twitter or national media at all.
Based on the information we have, Wojo went after Cameron Johnson and Egor. Egor is now out. It seems like Cameron Johnson is likely out though he hasn't cut down his list at all and won't be making a decision until May. Its possible that Wojo will and has moved onto other grad transfers. There are dozens out there that have yet to have any schools mentioned with them. Its also possible that Wojo agrees with the assessment of grad transfers that you did. Cam Johnson and Egor are the two best out there. Maybe Wojo doesn't want a grad transfer unless they are at that level. Which would be fine. I think there are a few other grad transfers out there worth of an MU offer, but Wojo has been doing this a helluva lot longer than I have.
I hate the MU offseason..I always want news to happen. Once it does, I'm okay. That's just how I am. Get a commit, a transfer in, a transfer out, it doesn't really matter to me, I just want something. I know it doesn't work that way with college BB in the offseason, but I can't help it. Other schools get commits etc, and things to talk about this time of year, every week something happens, someone commits somewhere, someone transfers etc. It's exciting, because it's something..I'm not a patient person, never have been, never will be, and that's how I am with everything..I am ALWAYS in a hurry. Always. No matter what it is.
At least you recognize it. This is the point you seemed to be missing. While it seems like we might not end up with a grad transfer this year, that is no reason to freak out and question the coaches recruiting ability. Offseason is long, a lot of names still to become available. Getting one right now is not always the best option.
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Based on the information we have, Wojo went after Cameron Johnson and Egor. Egor is now out. It seems like Cameron Johnson is likely out though he hasn't cut down his list at all and won't be making a decision until May. Its possible that Wojo will and has moved onto other grad transfers. There are dozens out there that have yet to have any schools mentioned with them. Its also possible that Wojo agrees with the assessment of grad transfers that you did. Cam Johnson and Egor are the two best out there. Maybe Wojo doesn't want a grad transfer unless they are at that level. Which would be fine. I think there are a few other grad transfers out there worth of an MU offer, but Wojo has been doing this a helluva lot longer than I have.
I'd love to get a grad transfer, but I'd be OK without one if means we nab two impact traditional transfers. Ed Morrow and Charlie Moore would fit the bill.
Then the problem becomes making room for Joey, but I think the will sort itself out.
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Sorey if this already was posted:
Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels
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Rice graduate transfer Egor Koulechov won't take any more college visits, per a source. Will decided between Florida & Oklahoma.
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Johnnies and Chris Mullin making overtures toward Ed Morrow.
https://twitter.com/yelbeeez/status/854032213003956225
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/854767272300347396
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https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/854767272300347396
Looks like Charlie Moore is out, Rothstien states Ill. or Kansas.
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Looks like Charlie Moore is out, Rothstien states Ill. or Kansas.
Yep, was just about to share that.
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Per Jeff Goodman, Morrow visiting Marquette this weekend.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/854760356408954884
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Per Jeff Goodman, Morrow visiting Marquette this weekend.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/854760356408954884
WEATHER TRACKER
Friday 52 degrees, partly cloudy
Saturday 50 degrees, mostly cloudy
Sunday 51 degrees, mostly sunny
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He'll be here Sunday/Monday from what I saw, so 49 and partly sunny on Monday.
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WEATHER TRACKER
Friday 52 degrees, partly cloudy
Saturday 50 degrees, mostly cloudy
Sunday 51 degrees, mostly sunny
Weather same in Omaha. He went to high school in Chicago.
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WEATHER TRACKER
Friday 52 degrees, partly cloudy
Saturday 50 degrees, mostly cloudy
Sunday 51 degrees, mostly sunny
God I love this site.
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Watt tyme are da naked dancin' girls scheduled ta come thru campus, hey?
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Watt tyme are da naked dancin' girls scheduled ta come thru campus, hey?
I think you posted to the wrong message board. The correct one would be:
http://www.scout.com/college/louisville/forums/2755-the-yum
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Shayok just committed to ISU... of course.
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Shayok just committed to ISU... of course.
Keeps with the Marquette West tradition.
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Satisfied? No. Disappointed? Sure. Think Wojo is inadequate, not trying hard enough, and asking "what the hell is Wojo doing?" Not even close.
Again, recruiting grad transfers is not a buffet line. You don't just pick what you want and take it. I promise you that Wojo is putting the full court press on both Cam Johnson and the Rice Russian. He is doing everything he can. Despite that, there is still a chance that both could choose to go elsewhere. Because just about every other high major coach is also putting the full court press and doing everything they can to land them. I'm not sure what it is that you think Wojo isn't doing that he should be doing in order to land a stud grad transfer.
Excellent point. A related one that should be remembered whenever Wojo is denigrated for losing a recruit or a game - recruiting head coaches is not a buffet line either.
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In simpler terms, MiKyle McIntosh will grad transfer
lol
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Shayok just committed to ISU... of course.
Darn. I'd have loved to have seen him in blue and gold. An athletic defensive stopper who also can make shots. He will be more valuable in his one season at Iowa State than Deonte was as a senior, and he would have been hugely valuable here.
Oh well. Next!
Oh, and BTW, fire Wojo.
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Darn. I'd have loved to have seen him in blue and gold. An athletic defensive stopper who also can make shots. He will be more valuable in his one season at Iowa State than Deonte was as a senior, and he would have been hugely valuable here.
Oh well. Next!
Oh, and BTW, fire Wojo.
Never been overly impressed with Shayok, nice player, but nothing special. Offensively, would have fit Buzz's system perfect, a SF that can not shoot, but tough
defensively. MU does not have a defensive player like Shayok. Not sure he even fits, ISU system.
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Never been overly impressed with Shayok, nice player, but nothing special. Offensively, would have fit Buzz's system perfect, a SF that can not shoot, but tough
defensively. MU does not have a defensive player like Shayok. Not sure he even fits, ISU system.
I think Shayok is better shooter than his UVA numbers show.
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I think Shayok is better shooter than his UVA numbers show.
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
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Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
I mean, only three guys averaged over 20 minutes. 10 over 10 minutes. And 8 over 15 minutes. And they don't score very much. Not hard to see how a scorer would be held down in that system.
Look, I don't think Shayok is an NBA prospect or anything. But I do think he is a pretty good distance shooter that didn't get the opportunity to put many up in UVA's offense.
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I think Shayok is better shooter than his UVA numbers show.
Why do you say that? He shot from threes 32 percent last year, and averaged about 9 points. Average player. Better out there then him, ISU must need a
body, 2 years for 1 playing year? Not worth it
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I think y'all will see a very nice jump in Shayok's offensive game at Iowa State, and he would have done fine offensively here. He is a career 37% 3pt shooter who shot 44% as a soph. He also is a pretty good slasher/scorer. ISU will play him 30+ minutes, he'll defend the opponent's best wing or perimeter player, and he'll score plenty. He would have done the same for us.
Virginia walks the ball up and milks the clock on every possession, and also seriously spreads the minutes around. I don't blame Shayok for leaving.
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Why do you say that? He shot from threes 32 percent last year, and averaged about 9 points. Average player. Better out there then him, ISU must need a
body, 2 years for 1 playing year? Not worth it
See previous post.
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Why do you say that? He shot from threes 32 percent last year, and averaged about 9 points. Average player. Better out there then him, ISU must need a
body, 2 years for 1 playing year? Not worth it
This is why traditional stats are very limited. His 9 points a game is much more impressive when you factor in the tempo Virginia plays at, the amount of minutes he played, and how deep of a rotation Virginia had. His 9 points a game was 2nd highest on the team and his ppp (points per possession) was in the "Very Good" range per Synergy. Too lazy to run the numbers on all of the players but I'd be willing to bet that he led the team in ppp.
He also shot 44% from three as Sophomore as MU82 pointed out. Not unreasonable to think that he could end up in the high 30s for his final year. I am confident that Shayok will have a very nice final year in Ames.
As an aside, I'm very curious to see how Iowa State proceeds from here. Prohm has done fine with Hoiberg's leftovers. I wouldn't say he under or over achieved to this point. But he's graduating 6 players this offseason. Those 6 include 4 starters, the first guy off the bench, and the last guy in the rotation. It also includes the top 4 scorers (and 5 of the top 6), the top 5 rebounders, the top 4 assistmen, the top 4 thieves (and 5 of the top 6), 4 of the top 5 shot blockers, and the top 3 three point shooters (and 4 out of the top 5). That's a lot to recover from. I think they drop out of the tournament picture for at least a season.
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Shayok has never made more than 19 threes in a season. Never attempted more than 58 in a season. Low volume three point shooter.
More of a slasher. High usage rate at 27%. Will his usage rate stay that high at Iowa State? Possible that he has a lower usage rate. That would mitigate the faster tempo. Total shot attempts might stay the same, which could keep him around 9-10 PPG. Keep the usage rate, and faster tempo leads to more shots and a uptick in PPG.
Biggest value though is on defense. D rating last year was 92.2 while he had 100.4 O rating.
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As an aside, I'm very curious to see how Iowa State proceeds from here. Prohm has done fine with Hoiberg's leftovers. I wouldn't say he under or over achieved to this point. But he's graduating 6 players this offseason. Those 6 include 4 starters, the first guy off the bench, and the last guy in the rotation. It also includes the top 4 scorers (and 5 of the top 6), the top 5 rebounders, the top 4 assistmen, the top 4 thieves (and 5 of the top 6), 4 of the top 5 shot blockers, and the top 3 three point shooters (and 4 out of the top 5). That's a lot to recover from. I think they drop out of the tournament picture for at least a season.
This is one of the reasons I was glad about Shayok's commitment. They may not be able to afford two transfers who sit out next season, and so this might make Morrow less of an option for them.
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This is one of the reasons I was glad about Shayok's commitment. They may not be able to afford two transfers who sit out next season, and so this might make Morrow less of an option for them.
Maybe, but they have three schollies left for next season. I doubt they are getting three more players who are eligible for the fall. Probably plenty of room for Morrow.
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Maybe, but they have three schollies left for next season. I doubt they are getting three more players who are eligible for the fall. Probably plenty of room for Morrow.
Three? Isn't it just 2?
Edit: Nevermind, you were referring to ISU.
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https://painttouches.com/2017/03/29/ncaa-transfer-tracker-march-28th-edition/
Updated. Influx is slowing down but still since great names available
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PS the Lawson brothers have a 3rd brother who is a top 20 recruit in the class of 2019 and a 4th brother who is ranked in the top 10 of the class of 2021 (way too early to be worth anything, I get that, but still chances are he'll be a top recruit). So even more reason you take those 2 had they said they were interested in coming to MU (which they obviously never were, but just theoretically).
Oh and their cousin is a top 10 recruit in the class of 2019.
So Kansas got the 2 brothers through the transfer market and I'd be willing to bet they'll get 3 other top 20 recruits as a result if they want them...
I know people have brought up "drama" surrounding the Lawsons and I don't know what all that includes, but the fact of the matter is Tubby Smith came in and demoted the father from his position as one of the assistants at Memphis and didn't treat him very well. So the father looked into other options, and in turn so did the brothers. If that's "drama" or "chemistry issues," count me in. From what I can tell, Tubby is more at fault than the Lawsons.
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PS the Lawson brothers have a 3rd brother who is a top 20 recruit in the class of 2019 and a 4th brother who is ranked in the top 10 of the class of 2021 (way too early to be worth anything, I get that, but still chances are he'll be a top recruit). So even more reason you take those 2 had they said they were interested in coming to MU (which they obviously never were, but just theoretically).
Oh and their cousin is a top 10 recruit in the class of 2019.
So Kansas got the 2 brothers through the transfer market and I'd be willing to bet they'll get 3 other top 20 recruits as a result if they want them...
I know people have brought up "drama" surrounding the Lawsons and I don't know what all that includes, but the fact of the matter is Tubby Smith came in and demoted the father from his position as one of the assistants at Memphis and didn't treat him very well. So the father looked into other options, and in turn so did the brothers. If that's "drama" or "chemistry issues," count me in. From what I can tell, Tubby is more at fault than the Lawsons.
See below link. Certainly not that big of a deal, but does show a lack of class.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/kj-lawson-snapchat-video-f-tubby-smith-memphis-dedric-lawson-transfer-kansas/1gopht9mx7w7p1127tuf93yb2a (http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/kj-lawson-snapchat-video-f-tubby-smith-memphis-dedric-lawson-transfer-kansas/1gopht9mx7w7p1127tuf93yb2a)
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See below link. Certainly not that big of a deal, but does show a lack of class.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/kj-lawson-snapchat-video-f-tubby-smith-memphis-dedric-lawson-transfer-kansas/1gopht9mx7w7p1127tuf93yb2a (http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/kj-lawson-snapchat-video-f-tubby-smith-memphis-dedric-lawson-transfer-kansas/1gopht9mx7w7p1127tuf93yb2a)
Yeah not a good look but it's a college kid whose father was demoted from his assistant coach position to make way for an entire staff of assistant coaches that combined had gotten fewer top 50 recruits to sign for their programs than his dad had for Memphis himself. Tubby has completely ruined the Memphis program single handedly. Everyone transferred out to the point that they return a total of 3 players next year, and their recruiting class is as bad as it's ever been at Memphis.
If Tubby comes in and just leaves Mr. Lawson at the position he had been holding there's no transferring out for the Lawsons, no snapchat video, and probably 3 McDonald's AA recruits coming in the future. Instead, Tubby will be out of a job 3 years from now.
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Yeah not a good look but it's a college kid whose father was demoted from his assistant coach position to make way for an entire staff of assistant coaches that combined had gotten fewer top 50 recruits to sign for their programs than his dad had for Memphis himself. Tubby has completely ruined the Memphis program single handedly. Everyone transferred out to the point that they return a total of 3 players next year, and their recruiting class is as bad as it's ever been at Memphis.
If Tubby comes in and just leaves Mr. Lawson at the position he had been holding there's no transferring out for the Lawsons, no snapchat video, and probably 3 McDonald's AA recruits coming in the future. Instead, Tubby will be out of a job 3 years from now.
Maybe there is a reason he didn't do that.
Maybe he realized the kids have character issues and wants to build his own culture.
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Jaaron Simmons, a grad transfer from Ohio, is going to play for Michigan
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Charlie Moore cal transfer is going to kansas
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Maybe there is a reason he didn't do that.
Maybe he realized the kids have character issues and wants to build his own culture.
I'd say maybe you're right but it's not just the 2 Lawsons that are leaving. 6 of the 8 eligible returning Memphis players are transferring out. It's easy to say some 18-22 year old kids have "character issues" but it seems the problem lies more with the coach if everyone else is leaving as well.
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I'd say maybe you're right but it's not just the 2 Lawsons that are leaving. 6 of the 8 eligible returning Memphis players are transferring out. It's easy to say some 18-22 year old kids have "character issues" but it seems the problem lies more with the coach if everyone else is leaving as well.
Tubby isn't a bad coach. He is just an extraordinarily poor fit at Memphis - but they gave him $15M.
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Charlie Moore cal transfer is going to kansas
Guess they don't teach geography in CPS
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Tubby isn't a bad coach. He is just an extraordinarily poor fit at Memphis - but they gave him $15M.
He's a bad coach and has had some issues for several years now. The end won't be graceful.
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Creighton freeing up some roster space as Paras to transfer. There has been no mention of Creighton in connection with Ed Morrow. I wonder if they are quietly pursuing him.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/creighton-freshman-kobe-paras-receives-scholarship-release-plans-to-transfer/article_303ef8b4-2d46-11e7-a978-d765a1f08042.html
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Creighton freeing up some roster space as Paras to transfer. There has been no mention of Creighton in connection with Ed Morrow. I wonder if they are quietly pursing him.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/creighton-freshman-kobe-paras-receives-scholarship-release-plans-to-transfer/article_303ef8b4-2d46-11e7-a978-d765a1f08042.html
No.
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Next: Georgetown forward Akoy Agau.
http://www.omaha.com/sports/local-sports/omaha-central-grad-akoy-agau-plans-to-transfer-from-georgetown/article_575ac442-2f70-11e7-bfac-2fc42fb127d5.html
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Next: Georgetown forward Akoy Agau.
http://www.omaha.com/sports/local-sports/omaha-central-grad-akoy-agau-plans-to-transfer-from-georgetown/article_575ac442-2f70-11e7-bfac-2fc42fb127d5.html
I seem to remember some issues at Louisville .
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Carlton Bragg of Kansas is transferring to Arizona State
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Nevada is quietly becoming the new transfer u:
2017:
Marquez Letcher-Ellis (averaged 7.7 ppg and 4.9 rpg for Rice)
Tre'Shawn Thurman (averaged 13.8 ppg and 7.8 rpg for Omaha)
Nisre Zouzoua (averaged 20.3 ppg for Bryant)
Jazz Johnson (averaged 15.8 ppg for Portland)
2016:
Hallice Cooke (averaged 8.2 ppg and 2.5 apg for Oregon State)
Caleb Martin (averaged 11.5 ppg and 4.7 rpg for NC State)
Cody Martin (averaged 6.0 ppg and 4.4 rpg for NC State)
Kendall Stephens (averaged 8.7 ppg for Purdue)
2015:
Jordan Caroline (averaged 15 ppg and 9.2 rpg last season)
Leland King II (bench player last season)
Marcus Marshall (averaged 19.7 ppg and 3.7 apg last season)
Shawn Smith (dnp due to off court issues)
Eric Musselman took over the program in Spring 2015. He got the wolfpack to the tournament as a 12 seed this past year and won the CBI the year before that. Took over a team that finished 9-22 the year before. Pretty impressive work. Wouldn't be surprised if they got an at large bid next year.
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https://twitter.com/inbballsource/status/859890789056380929
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Carlton Bragg of Kansas is transferring to Arizona State
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Hurley will have his hands full with Bragg. He's a problem child.Self couldn't control him.
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Former SPASH point guard Trevor Anderson has left Green Bay and is transferring to UW-Madison as a walk-on. He'll have the chance to earn a scholarship. Anderson said he's already reached out to Joey Hauser.
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Former SPASH point guard Trevor Anderson has left Green Bay and is transferring to UW-Madison as a walk-on. He'll have the chance to earn a scholarship. Anderson said he's already reached out to Joey Hauser.
Sandy has gotta be a little miffed, hey?
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Former SPASH point guard Trevor Anderson has left Green Bay and is transferring to UW-Madison as a walk-on. He'll have the chance to earn a scholarship. Anderson said he's already reached out to Joey Hauser.
What did he say? "Come to UW so I can watch you play from my spot on the bench"?
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What did he say? "Come to UW so I can watch you play from my spot on the bench"?
"Bro, do me a solid. Go to Marquette so they'll give me a scholarship"
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Former SPASH point guard Trevor Anderson has left Green Bay and is transferring to UW-Madison as a walk-on. He'll have the chance to earn a scholarship. Anderson said he's already reached out to Joey Hauser.
Yah, I am sure that will be more convincing than his brother.
Look, I don't know if Joey is coming to MU or not, and I think we'll be fine either way, but the idea that he is going to do it because of Trevor Anderson, or Wisconsin only offering him for their available scholarship, etc, is a bunch of BS. He is going to make the decision based on what he feels is best for his game and his chances of making the NBA. Its that simple.
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"Bro, do me a solid. Go to Marquette so they'll give me a scholarship"
Nice. I like it.
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as i said after reading joey's 24/7 interview-his tone seemed very luke warm when asked about udub as compared to the others, but i am sure anderson saying what he said makes him the "big man" on campus. nothing better to try to endure yourself to your new team by saying, yeah, we're tight, ein'er?
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as i said after reading joey's 24/7 interview-his tone seemed very luke warm when asked about udub as compared to the others, but i am sure anderson saying what he said makes him the "big man" on campus. nothing better to try to endure yourself to your new team by saying, yeah, we're tight, ein'er?
Well if Joey does go to UW I am not so sure I would want to be at the Hausers' over Christmas, especaillay if they are shooting hoops on the driveway.
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Wow! This one is really interesting..
Jon RothsteinVerified account @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
UNC-Wilmington's C.J. Bryce has received his full release to transfer, per a source. Averaged 17.4 PPG and 5.4 RPG last season.
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Wow! This one is really interesting..
Jon RothsteinVerified account @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
UNC-Wilmington's C.J. Bryce has received his full release to transfer, per a source. Averaged 17.4 PPG and 5.4 RPG last season.
Already have a backup of 2s. I understand why players like this transfer and try to move to the majors but at the same time sometimes I wish they'd stay and try to carry their team. Players like that do that with mid majors is what makes march madness so enjoyable
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Wow! This one is really interesting..
Jon RothsteinVerified account @JonRothstein 4m4 minutes ago
UNC-Wilmington's C.J. Bryce has received his full release to transfer, per a source. Averaged 17.4 PPG and 5.4 RPG last season.
Per game averages don't mean much. The guy played tons of minutes. Rebounding - at 6'5" - of 5.4% & 13.4% are pretty yawn-worthy.
Nice MM player... but the kid shot 33.6% 3FG%... in the Warriors' World, that's ugly.
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Ewing lands another player:
South Dakota grad transfer Trey Dickerson commits to Georgetown
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2017/5/7/15573666/point-guard-trey-dickerson-commits-to-georgetown
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Ewing lands another player:
South Dakota grad transfer Trey Dickerson commits to Georgetown
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2017/5/7/15573666/point-guard-trey-dickerson-commits-to-georgetown
Yawn. A HM lands a mediocre MM- guy? Great. 99 Ortg, 26 usage... after leaving Iowa without a chance for minutes. Yuck. Georgetown is a mess.
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Yawn. A HM lands a mediocre MM- guy? Great. 99 Ortg, 26 usage... after leaving Iowa without a chance for minutes. Yuck. Georgetown is a mess.
That's what I was thinking. Looks like he is adding another body to fill the roster. They still have three scholarships available for 2017-18.
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Yawn. A HM lands a mediocre MM- guy? Great. 99 Ortg, 26 usage... after leaving Iowa without a chance for minutes. Yuck. Georgetown is a mess.
And he probably starts for the Hoyas too
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That's what I was thinking. Looks like he is adding another body to fill the roster. They still have three scholarships available for 2017-18.
Just a body to allow them to compete. I think 2017-18 Georgetown will bear a lot of similarities to 2014-15 Marquette. Ewing might be fine in the long run, but it's going to be a bumpy start.
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Yawn. A HM lands a mediocre MM- guy? Great. 99 Ortg, 26 usage... after leaving Iowa without a chance for minutes. Yuck. Georgetown is a mess.
I know what you're saying, and you follow this stuff a lot more than I do.
But isn't that what many said about Rowsey?
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Northern Illinois big man Marin Maric has pulled out of the Draft and will head to Depaul. Impact big man for the Blue Demons
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I know what you're saying, and you follow this stuff a lot more than I do.
But isn't that what many said about Rowsey?
If you look at Rowsey's numbers, they were clearly superior to Dickerson's.
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I know what you're saying, and you follow this stuff a lot more than I do.
But isn't that what many said about Rowsey?
Let's look at some facts:
Trey Dickerson: He was a JUCO AA, who then became a HM recruit, landing at Iowa. In HS, was well traveled (multiple states). Was awful at Iowa and buried on the bench. Proved to be over-matched there as a sophomore with JUCO experience.
Dickerson then goes to South Dakota. There, the 6' or 6'1" guard puts up a sub 100 ORtg on heavy usage. His career D-I 3FG% is 31.5%. Not a natural shooter, his FT% is 69.2%. At South Dakota, he was in his fourth year of college and turned 23 years old in January.
Now, he's off to Georgetown, back to a HM...
Andrew Rowsey: Was a top player as a true freshman. Played MAJOR minutes as a frosh & sophomore. FR year had a 111.2 ORtg on 26.2% usage. Next season his usage is upped to 27.5%, ORtg holds at 111.3. In his two years there, he shot over 39% 3FG% and proved a special shooting touch, making 87.5% of his free throws (which no matta to the team winning and losing games) on over 300 attempts. Turnover rate improved from 19.6% as a frosh to just 15.4% as a sophomore.
Completely different paths, ages, backgrounds, etc.
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Pittsburgh just lost its 6th player to the transfer market. Along with 4 players graduating and one open scholarship....They will have just 2 players who were on scholarship last season. Stallings better hope he has a long leash.
The 6 transfers out ties the high water mark this year. Akron, UMass, Pacific, Portland, Rice, and South Florida also lost 6 players to transfer.
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Pittsburgh just lost its 6th player to the transfer market. Along with 4 players graduating and one open scholarship....They will have just 2 players who were on scholarship last season. Stallings better hope he has a long leash.
The 6 transfers out ties the high water mark this year. Akron, UMass, Pacific, Portland, Rice, and South Florida also lost 6 players to transfer.
All of these are related to coaching changes with Pitt and Portland being last year. Guess the Pitt guys did not like Stallings. Portland's new coach last year was Terry Porter.
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All of these are related to coaching changes with Pitt and Portland being last year. Guess the Pitt guys did not like Stallings. Portland's new coach last year was Terry Porter.
Pacific was last year too. Damon Stoudimaire
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Akron's long time coach just left for Duquesne. Larry Williams replaced him with John Groce.
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Wonder watt a Zips golf hat looks like caked in sodium chloride, hey?
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Let's look at some facts:
Trey Dickerson: He was a JUCO AA, who then became a HM recruit, landing at Iowa. In HS, was well traveled (multiple states). Was awful at Iowa and buried on the bench. Proved to be over-matched there as a sophomore with JUCO experience.
Dickerson then goes to South Dakota. There, the 6' or 6'1" guard puts up a sub 100 ORtg on heavy usage. His career D-I 3FG% is 31.5%. Not a natural shooter, his FT% is 69.2%. At South Dakota, he was in his fourth year of college and turned 23 years old in January.
Now, he's off to Georgetown, back to a HM...
Andrew Rowsey: Was a top player as a true freshman. Played MAJOR minutes as a frosh & sophomore. FR year had a 111.2 ORtg on 26.2% usage. Next season his usage is upped to 27.5%, ORtg holds at 111.3. In his two years there, he shot over 39% 3FG% and proved a special shooting touch, making 87.5% of his free throws (which no matta to the team winning and losing games) on over 300 attempts. Turnover rate improved from 19.6% as a frosh to just 15.4% as a sophomore.
Completely different paths, ages, backgrounds, etc.
Thanks for those facts. I admit I didn't know all that about Dickerson.