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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2017, 08:22:03 PM
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Watching him in state championship now. Man amongst boys.
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Watching him in state championship now. Man amongst boys.
I assume he will not contribute much offensively next year but should be able to rebound and defend right away? Hopefully set some big, legal screens to free up the snipers.
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Posting some highlights as we go HERE (http://twitter.com/jbbauer612)
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Lots of tools. Lots of size. Opportunities await. I hope he steps up. And I refuse to throw him under the bus if he doesn't have instant success.
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Give Wojo a shout out from 4ever, hey?
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Posting some highlights as we go HERE (http://twitter.com/jbbauer612)
Thanks Jay Bee.
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Lots of tools. Lots of size. Opportunities await. I hope he steps up. And I refuse to throw him under the bus if he doesn't have instant success.
Yep. With a frosh, you enjoy the bonus if he produces instantly, but understand if he doesn't. We were fortunate this year that both Marcus and Sam were ready to play....
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Blocked shots = no matta, hey?
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5 blocks in first half
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Would kill for him to be half of what Jordan Bell is.
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Killer blocks tonight
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Dude can run the floor.
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Theo John is going to be an important part of the success of MU going forward. The kid has an incredible work ethic. He is the kind of tough and athletic big we have needed for a long time.
I am even more excited about Theo than I am about Kostas, which tells you my level of enthusiasm for John is high.
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Theo John is going to be an important part of the success of MU going forward. The kid has an incredible work ethic. He is the kind of tough and athletic big we have needed for a long time.
I am even more excited about Theo than I am about Kostas, which tells you my level of enthusiasm for John is high.
Is it the neck?
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I am even more excited about Theo than I am about Kostas, which tells you my level of enthusiasm for John is high.
I agree with this post but not the analysis.
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Yankee man, your insight is incredible, dude. Got the ability ta analyze watt's goin' on in a playa's inner circle. Ya must have more contacts dan Bausch and Lomb. Tip of da hat, hey?
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Crean sucks
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ND sucks
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McKinley Wright his teammate commited to Dayton but since Miller left you could possibly see him decommiting..Theo should start the recruitment
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McKinley Wright his teammate commited to Dayton but since Miller left you could possibly see him decommiting..Theo should start the recruitment
Don't you think that already is happening, behind the scenes.
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Posting some highlights as we go HERE (http://twitter.com/jbbauer612)
Dis one doh:
https://twitter.com/JBBauer612/status/845827367658536960
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayum
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We want, need Theo. Do we want McKinley Wright?????
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Is it the neck?
Easier to penetrate if you can keep your head up.
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We want, need Theo. Do we want McKinley Wright?????
Hell no
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Has gotten into foul trouble a lot in HS games, but a ton of it is weird/(b.s.) calls vs. him trying to block shots. He's got great blocking skill.. length, timing... will be nice to add that to the roster.
Wades mentioned it and I absolutely agree but Jay Bee, could you see Theo being a Jordan Bell type a couple years down the road? Maybe wouldn't have the ceiling athletically Bell does now but he looks like that kind of player.
Also, I noticed in a couple of your clips (thanks by the way) that Theo hedges ball screens better than Luke did. At least, he anticipated the drive and dropped back early enough to swat Jones or whomever was driving. Would that be an accurate assessment or are we looking at four more years of dumb fouls due to lazy hedging?
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Wades mentioned it and I absolutely agree but Jay Bee, could you see Theo being a Jordan Bell type a couple years down the road? Maybe wouldn't have the ceiling athletically Bell does now but he looks like that kind of player.
Also, I noticed in a couple of your clips (thanks by the way) that Theo hedges ball screens better than Luke did. At least, he anticipated the drive and dropped back early enough to swat Jones or whomever was driving. Would that be an accurate assessment or are we looking at four more years of dumb fouls due to lazy hedging?
Agrees on him being better than Luke defensively in most areas. Not sure on Bell.. he's a weird one. I could see Theo's freshman year looking similar to Bell's, though.. low-usage, but strong rebounding, block%.
I always go back to Faisal as my comp for him.
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Wasn't Faisal 6'7? So, Faisal, but taller? And I am totally OK with that, if he makes his free throws. ;)
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Wasn't Faisal 6'7? So, Faisal, but taller? And I am totally OK with that, if he makes his free throws. ;)
Yes.. what I've always said is Faisal +2 inches.
Theo was a perfect 4/4 from the line last night. His team also shot a higher FT% than Apple Valley last night. Unfortunately, #FTsNoMatta
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If TJ turns out to be a 6'9 Faisal, strong defense, rebounding, shotblocking, presence, with the ability to run the floor, put in the dump offs from guards and the putbacks, I will be happy. If he does all that and develops a few reliable offensive moves along the way, I will be ecstatic.
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Next year will certainly be interesting, and John and Cain are probably two of the guys I'm most interested in. Thus far, Wojo has had two significantly impactful freshmen each of his first two years. Not sure if that will be the case this year, but I could see either John and/or Cain being able to make major contributions. Maybe not providing the kind of scoring we have seen with Howard, Ellenson, Haanif, and Hauser, but on the rebounding and defensive end.
I do think next year is the most important of Wojo's four thus far. We need to start seeing improvement on the defensive end. Another year in the system for Howard and Hauser, guys like Anim, Cheatham, and Heldt should be fairly comfortable by now, and lots of length coming in. The pieces are there, the question will be if Wojo can implement an effective and efficient defensive strategy. We don't need top-25, but it has to start becoming respectable.
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Next year will certainly be interesting, and John and Cain are probably two of the guys I'm most interested in. Thus far, Wojo has had two significantly impactful freshmen each of his first two years. Not sure if that will be the case this year, but I could see either John and/or Cain being able to make major contributions. Maybe not providing the kind of scoring we have seen with Howard, Ellenson, Haanif, and Hauser, but on the rebounding and defensive end.
I do think next year is the most important of Wojo's four thus far. We need to start seeing improvement on the defensive end. Another year in the system for Howard and Hauser, guys like Anim, Cheatham, and Heldt should be fairly comfortable by now, and lots of length coming in. The pieces are there, the question will be if Wojo can implement an effective and efficient defensive strategy. We don't need top-25, but it has to start becoming respectable.
Agreed. We really need to add a few bodies, and at least 1 of the impactful nature, for me to be optimistic that we can be better next year than this year. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, but this is the year we need Wojo to land a top tier grad transfer.
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The most important season is the next one #wadesworldwisdom
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It will be awesome if Theo ends up being Faisal + 2 inches.
Hopefully he can shoot FTs a little better though. Even though - I know, I know - FTs no matta.....
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It will be awesome if Theo ends up being Faisal + 2 inches.
Hopefully he can shoot FTs a little better though. Even though - I know, I know - FTs no matta.....
well, Nigel Hayes' FTs in OT did matter on Friday night. Even the last one he made.... ;)
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I see Wojo's preferred offense being four guys that can shoot and move the ball with a low usage 5 that can finish dump offs and keep the ball alive on rebounds. On defense the center would be a rim protector and quick enough to aggressively hedge. I think John and Eke fit the mold of this.
This is purely eye test, but I don't know if our offense really missed a beat while Heldt was in. I know Luke was very efficient, but it seemed to bog the offense down a bit dumping it in to him to back down. Also, it was always deflating when he missed (stupid autocorrect). Again, purely eye test, so if someone has stats to contradict, I wouldn't be surprised.
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I see Wojo's preferred offense being four guys that can shoot and move the ball with a low usage 5 that can finish dump offs and keep the ball alive on rebounds. On defense the center would be a rim protector and quick enough to aggressively hedge. I think John and Eke fit the mold of this.
This is purely eye test, but I don't know if our offense really missed a beat while Heldt was in. I know Luke was very efficient, but it seemed to bog the offense down a bit dumping it in to him to back down. Also, it was always deflating when he kissed. Again, purely eye test, so if someone has stats to contradict, I wouldn't be surprised.
I think that was Wojo's preferred offense because that was best suited to his players this season. With Fischer and Heldt the only true bigs, there wasn't much choice in the matter. Things looked different last season, with Fischer and Ellenson on the court at the same time (I know Henry got a lot of flak - perhaps deservedly - for tossing up too many 3s, but in reality less than a quarter of his attempts were from behind the arc).
So, I guess what I'm saying is, I wouldn't necessarily count on MU's lineup going forward being four shooters and a pivot. If Wojo can find a second post player who can present even a little bit of an offensive threat, I think he'd be happy to run him out there to offer another rebounder and rim protector.
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Also, it was always deflating when he kissed.
So you weren't a fan of the senior day proposal, huh.
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So you weren't a fan of the senior day proposal, huh.
She's a succubus, I tell ya!
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/l41lWdYMCpcaRePFC/200.webp#4)
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I think that was Wojo's preferred offense because that was best suited to his players this season. With Fischer and Heldt the only true bigs, there wasn't much choice in the matter. Things looked different last season, with Fischer and Ellenson on the court at the same time (I know Henry got a lot of flak - perhaps deservedly - for tossing up too many 3s, but in reality less than a quarter of his attempts were from behind the arc).
So, I guess what I'm saying is, I wouldn't necessarily count on MU's lineup going forward being four shooters and a pivot. If Wojo can find a second post player who can present even a little bit of an offensive threat, I think he'd be happy to run him out there to offer another rebounder and rim protector.
Think will be similar with Froling / Theo
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Like the this plus we are getting new young fans
https://twitter.com/theojohn123/status/845878485147095040
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Ya must have more contacts dan Bausch and Lomb.
Doc
The new Ganzer?
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Theo John is going to be an important part of the success of MU going forward. The kid has an incredible work ethic. He is the kind of tough and athletic big we have needed for a long time.
I am even more excited about Theo than I am about Kostas, which tells you my level of enthusiasm for John is high.
The last clause of your last sentence was completely unnecessary. Believe me, we would have gotten there on our own.
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Great footwork and body control- very natural! He's ready bababy, just has to learn the NCAA game and he will be fine, but ready he is. I can tell by the way he moves, court awareness, etc. let's keep him for 3 years
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I really like what I see in him. Looking forward to see who else Wojo can bring in.
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Great footwork and body control- very natural! He's ready bababy, just has to learn the NCAA game and he will be fine, but ready he is. I can tell by the way he moves, court awareness, etc. let's keep him for 3 years
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Much of next season rests on Froling in my opinion. We need him to step in and be close to as good as Luke quickly. I know that's asking a bit but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities based on what I've heard about him. I think Theo will contribute but I want to see him as our 4 splitting time with Sam and probably playing the 5 a bit too. Not sure if Eke will be ready to contribute anything.
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Much of next season rests on Froling in my opinion. We need him to step in and be close to as good as Luke quickly. I know that's asking a bit but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities based on what I've heard about him. I think Theo will contribute but I want to see him as our 4 splitting time with Sam and probably playing the 5 a bit too. Not sure if Eke will be ready to contribute anything.
But, he will miss the meat of the NC schedule as he won't be eligible until after the 1st semester.
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Much of next season rests on Froling in my opinion. We need him to step in and be close to as good as Luke quickly. I know that's asking a bit but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities based on what I've heard about him. I think Theo will contribute but I want to see him as our 4 splitting time with Sam and probably playing the 5 a bit too. Not sure if Eke will be ready to contribute anything.
Froling is going to be huge for us (one way or the other), but he isn't really a 5. I actually think Froling will play the 4, and Matt/Theo at the 5. Froling will get some time at the 5 when he we go 4 guard sets, but he is much more Ellenson-lite type player than Luke type player.
This also depends on if we bring in a grad transfer big.
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I think Matt will surprise a lot of people next year.
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Agreed. We really need to add a few bodies, and at least 1 of the impactful nature, for me to be optimistic that we can be better next year than this year. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, but this is the year we need Wojo to land a top tier grad transfer.
Who do you want to be forced out of the lineup next year? Howard? Hauser? Froling? Let's keep Cain buried deep on that bench! Yeah!
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I think that was Wojo's preferred offense because that was best suited to his players this season. With Fischer and Heldt the only true bigs, there wasn't much choice in the matter. Things looked different last season, with Fischer and Ellenson on the court at the same time (I know Henry got a lot of flak - perhaps deservedly - for tossing up too many 3s, but in reality less than a quarter of his attempts were from behind the arc).
So, I guess what I'm saying is, I wouldn't necessarily count on MU's lineup going forward being four shooters and a pivot. If Wojo can find a second post player who can present even a little bit of an offensive threat, I think he'd be happy to run him out there to offer another rebounder and rim protector.
Isn't that Froling?
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Who do you want to be forced out of the lineup next year? Howard? Hauser? Froling? Let's keep Cain buried deep on that bench! Yeah!
Dude, we have 3 open scholarships. This team badly needs a do it all wing. A front court player wouldn't hurt either.
Burning anything more than 1 scholarship would be idiotic.
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I think Matt will surprise a lot of people next year.
Yep. He showed a great deal of promise at the end of the year. Next year will be a true test as to how a team comes together, as next year MUBB has theoretically the pieces it needs to form a complete team.
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Dude, we have 3 open scholarships. This team badly needs a do it all wing. A front court player wouldn't hurt either.
Burning anything more than 1 scholarship would be idiotic.
I get what you're saying, but I think its time to build with freshmen and give up on the quick fixes, except when the unexpected leaves a hole in the starting lineup. I'm willing to let Hauser and Cain handle it on the wing and have some faith that Haanif will rebound strong. I'd hate to lose one or more of them to accomodate a one year fix.
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Isn't that Froling?
Perhaps? I don't think anyone has seen enough of him to say.
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Perhaps? I don't think anyone has seen enough of him to say.
He would seem more of an Ellenson type
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I get what you're saying, but I think its time to build with freshmen and give up on the quick fixes, except when the unexpected leaves a hole in the starting lineup. I'm willing to let Hauser and Cain handle it on the wing and have some faith that Haanif will rebound strong. I'd hate to lose one or more of them to accomodate a one year fix.
Right now our roster looks like this:
PG: Howard / Rowsey
SG: Cheatham / Anim
SF: Hauser / Cain
PF: John / Froling (when eligible)
C: Heldt / Eke (would be ideal RS)
We are dangerously thin. We are a couple injuries away from being pretty bad. I am all for grabbing a top tier traditional transfer with 1 of 3 so that won't jam up the rotation, and a freshman with another, but it is pretty damn clear to me that this team needs another wing of the impactful variety, and another front court player would be ideal.
Look, I am all for keeping everyone around. But I'd rather win. If recruiting top tier high major talent results in other guys leaving, so be it. That said, Hauser is going no where. Cain is going to get his PT, but he is a freshman. Hanni is on of my favorite players on the team, but he is bit of wildcard right now. That said, he seems like a smart enough guy to not mid year transfer his junior year. I'm just not that worried about it, but I am worried about us being not very deep, and frankly, outside of Rowsey, Howard and Hauser, not that good. We need some more talent.
Plus, you have to also consider the fact that we only have 1 senior next year, and his scholarship is already taken by Bailey. So we kind of need at least 1 grad transfer to open a spot for Joey, and 2 wouldn't be the worst idea.
I don't worry about feelings getting hurt. This is big time college basketball.
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I get what you're saying, but I think its time to build with freshmen and give up on the quick fixes, except when the unexpected leaves a hole in the starting lineup. I'm willing to let Hauser and Cain handle it on the wing and have some faith that Haanif will rebound strong. I'd hate to lose one or more of them to accomodate a one year fix.
You're assuming a grad player in means a young player out. Grad transfer is a one year deal and if there is a player on the roster who isn't as talented as a grad transfer and they want to transfer because of that one year roadblock...probably for the best.
Besides, Wojo has demonstrated an ability to manage playing time and ego with players. Katin got significantly less PT and emphasis on the offensive end than I would have thought going in to the season. So what says that can't happen again?
I've learned a lot in life, one of those things is to strike while the iron is hot and let the future figure itself out. If a grad transfer helps us win now, do it.
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Right now our roster looks like this:
PG: Howard / Rowsey
SG: Cheatham / Anim
SF: Hauser / Cain
PF: John / Froling (when eligible)
C: Heldt / Eke (would be ideal RS)
We are dangerously thin. A couple injuries are we are going to be pretty bad. I am all for grabbing a top tier traditional transfer with 1 of 3 so that won't jam up the rotation, and a freshman with another, but it is pretty damn clear to me that this team needs another wing of the impactful variety, and another front court player would be ideal.
Look, I am all for keeping everyone around. But I'd rather win. If recruiting top tier high major talent results in other guys leaving, so be it. That said, Hauser is going no where. Cain is going to get his PT, but he is a freshman. Hanni is on of my favorite players on the team, but he is bit of wildcard right now. That said, he seems like a smart enough guy to not mid year transfer his junior year. I'm just not that worried about it, but I am worried about us being not very deep, and frankly, outside of Rowsey, Howard and Hauser, not that good. We need some more talent.
Plus, you have to also consider the fact that we only have 1 senior next year, and his scholarship is already taken by Bailey. So we kind of need at least 1 grad transfer to open a spot for Joey, and 2 wouldn't be the worst idea.
I don't worry about feelings getting hurt. This is big time college basketball.
I think they can only use one of the 3 on a longer than one year player. We only have one open scholarship after this season(Rowsey) and we have one commit(Bailey), but Joey Hauser is a near must get so you have to have an open schollie for him...meaning someone has to be off the team next year or we have a one and done player/banked scholarship. That leaves a class of 2 for 2018, for balance probably should be 3 and one of them needs to be a PG.
So I think of the one scholarship is used on a traditional transfer or decommit from another school, one is used on a grad transfer and then one is banked or used on another grad transfer.
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I think they can only use one of the 3 on a longer than one year player. We only have one open scholarship after this season(Rowsey) and we have one commit(Bailey), but Joey Hauser is a near must get so you have to have an open schollie for him...meaning someone has to be off the team next year or we have a one and done player/banked scholarship. That leaves a class of 2 for 2018, for balance probably should be 3 and one of them needs to be a PG.
So I think of the one scholarship is used on a traditional transfer or decommit from another school, one is used on a grad transfer and then one is banked or used on another grad transfer.
Pretty much what I said.
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I see Wojo's preferred offense being four guys that can shoot and move the ball with a low usage 5 that can finish dump offs and keep the ball alive on rebounds. On defense the center would be a rim protector and quick enough to aggressively hedge. I think John and Eke fit the mold of this.
This is purely eye test, but I don't know if our offense really missed a beat while Heldt was in. I know Luke was very efficient, but it seemed to bog the offense down a bit dumping it in to him to back down. Also, it was always deflating when he missed (stupid autocorrect). Again, purely eye test, so if someone has stats to contradict, I wouldn't be surprised.
Concern isn't on the offensive side, Wojo's offense has adapted every season he's been here....defense has not been as flexible with this past season being a dumpster fire. I think Wojo is looking for perimeter pressure and big's who rim protect/recover on defense....and to do that you need some combination of quickness and length.
IF Theo is a rim protector type and quick recovery on P&Gs I think you could see a lot of line-ups with Theo at the 5 and Froling at the 4. Think St John's defensive type/strategy.
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Pretty much what I said.
I was mostly repeating for the cheap seats
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I know when I'm out voted.
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I know when I'm out voted.
Well because you're wrong. Not filling your scholarships because you're scared what your current players might think is a big step towards becoming a terrible basketball program.
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I get what you're saying, but I think its time to build with freshmen and give up on the quick fixes, except when the unexpected leaves a hole in the starting lineup. I'm willing to let Hauser and Cain handle it on the wing and have some faith that Haanif will rebound strong. I'd hate to lose one or more of them to accomodate a one year fix.
Right on!
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Well because you're wrong. Not filling your scholarships because you're scared what your current players might think is a big step towards becoming a terrible basketball program.
I agree for the most part. But at the same time, there is no way in hell that Marquette is recruiting a PG unless he will be a year behind Markus or he will be noticeably behind Markus on the depth chart. Markus' goal is to make the NBA and the only way to do that is if he plays PG. If for some reason his way was blocked at PG, I would bet a lot of money that he would transfer. So even if you could potentially get a better PG, why spend your energy there when there are bigger holes to fill?
To clarify, I'm just giving an example where it would be prudent to take into account the thoughts of your current players when recruiting a new player. Based on what I know know, wing is a weak point on the team next season so I am all for recruiting a wing grad transfer this offseason.
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I agree for the most part. But at the same time, there is no way in hell that Marquette is recruiting a PG unless he will be a year behind Markus or he will be noticeably behind Markus on the depth chart. Markus' goal is to make the NBA and the only way to do that is if he plays PG. If for some reason his way was blocked at PG, I would bet a lot of money that he would transfer. So even if you could potentially get a better PG, why spend your energy there when there are bigger holes to fill?
To clarify, I'm just giving an example where it would be prudent to take into account the thoughts of your current players when recruiting a new player. Based on what I know know, wing is a weak point on the team next season so I am all for recruiting a wing grad transfer this offseason.
Sure. I don't anticipate us finding someone that is going to make Markus our backup PG. We do, however, need to find a PG for 2018 because Markus will be the only one on the roster after next season, and frankly, we should have a backup plan in case he explodes and goes pro after his sophomore year.
Edit: furthermore, Markus transferring because he got moved off the ball isn't going to help his NBA prospects. One of the best things he has going for him NBA-wise is he is a year younger than everyone in his class. Sitting out a year doesn't help that. But again, I don't see any realistic scenario in which Markus isn't playing 25+ MPG the next three seasons (short of him going pro).
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Right on!
I think you are all forgetting the 2018 recruiting year. Lets say they have 4 scholarships open for 2018. Bailey, Hauser, Williams and Thomas are all MU recruits
that are serious to come to MU. If that is the case, no transfers and yes a grad student or two is possible. If Elliott comes that only leaves 3 of the above group
and really 2 since Bailey already signed a letter of intent. Yes, next year will be good, not great. But after next year there will be full roster for a change which would
be good. And this is not discussing another point guard, that they might need. That will really give you 11 new faces, transfers out of that group, doubt it. Cheatham
and Heldt the last 2. Roster is evolving, looks good in 2018 and moving forward.
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Sure. I don't anticipate us finding someone that is going to make Markus our backup PG. We do, however, need to find a PG for 2018 because Markus will be the only one on the roster after next season, and frankly, we should have a backup plan in case he explodes and goes pro after his sophomore year.
That is why getting a PG in the 2018 class or via traditional transfer (that ends up a year behind Markus or more) is a top priority for the coaching staff.
Sure. I don't anticipate us finding someone that is going to make Markus our backup PG. We do, however, need to find a PG for 2018 because Markus will be the only one on the roster after next season, and frankly, we should have a backup plan in case he explodes and goes pro after his sophomore year.
Edit: furthermore, Markus transferring because he got moved off the ball isn't going to help his NBA prospects. One of the best things he has going for him NBA-wise is he is a year younger than everyone in his class. Sitting out a year doesn't help that. But again, I don't see any realistic scenario in which Markus isn't playing 25+ MPG the next three seasons (short of him going pro).
The only way Markus makes the NBA is as a PG, no matter his age. If he was moved off the ball, I am confident that he would either go pro immediately or transfer somewhere that would allow him to play on the ball. Don't mistake me, Markus (and the rest of the team) love Wojo and Marquette. But their top priority is to make it professionally. Any player would do what was necessary to advance that goal.
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That is why getting a PG in the 2018 class or via traditional transfer (that ends up a year behind Markus or more) is a top priority for the coaching staff.
The only way Markus makes the NBA is as a PG, no matter his age. If he was moved off the ball, I am confident that he would either go pro immediately or transfer somewhere that would allow him to play on the ball. Don't mistake me, Markus (and the rest of the team) love Wojo and Marquette. But their top priority is to make it professionally. Any player would do what was necessary to advance that goal.
I agree with all of this. We're on the same page.
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I agree with all of this. We're on the same page.
I would worry about Markus leaving in 2 years. He is going nowhere next year, and the following year maybe. Quickness and ball handling and passing take
time to improve on. It would be nice for him to grow an inch as well. Watched Monte Morris, now that kid is skinny but really quick. If you are small in the NBA,
you better be quick.
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I know when I'm out voted.
Well because you're wrong. Not filling your scholarships because you're scared what your current players might think is a big step towards becoming a terrible basketball program.
Now why'd ya have to go for rubbing my nose in it when I was trying to be gracious?
No, always opting for a quick fix instead of building with guys you can develop within your system over four years is the way to become a terrible basketball program.
Why don't you sell us all on what a brillent move it was for Georgetown to bring Rodney Pryor in for a grad transfer year?
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Now why'd ya have to go for rubbing my nose in it when I was trying to be gracious?
No, always opting for a quick fix instead of building with guys you can develop within your system over four years is the way to become a terrible basketball program.
Why don't you sell us all on what a huge step forward it was for Georgetown to bring Rodney Pryor in for a grad transfer year?
Rodney Pryor was the least of Georgetown's issues (well, maybe 2nd least outside of LJ Peak).
So you suggest going into next year with 10 scholarship players (1 of which is ineligible for 40% of the season), and just see what happens! Sounds brilliant.
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Rather have him play 4 years.
ba-ba-BONUS!
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My ideal roster today:
- Vacant scholarship (1): allows for roster flexibility to take a transfer or decommit, or PR move of giving it to a walk-on.
- Redshirt (1): Whether a player redshirting or sitting out a transfer year, I think it's a benefit to have one practice player who doesn't upset the playing time matrix.
- Grad Transfer (1): Every team has a need, having one grad transfer allows a team to fill that need. It also allows the flexibility of always being able to recruit that spot with a freshman the following year.
- Seniors (2.5)
- Juniors (2.5)
- Sophomores (2.5)
- Freshmen (2.5)
All of the "conventional" freshmen-seniors are flexible. I think you ideally want a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4 in each class. Unless you're Kentucky, it's tough to replace 5+ players in one year. This gives a roster that is balanced, experienced, and generally will only have 11 players vying for 200 minutes. In a typical 8.5 man rotation, this really just means you need to convince half of your 5 freshmen/sophomores to wait their turn. If your rotation goes 9-10 deep, it would definitely be easier to keep them all relatively happy, at least to the point where they can see their turn coming.
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JJJ and others are right, and I have been preaching this since the season ended...I want as much talent as can be accumulated, no matter how it's accumulated. Two absolute STUD grad transfers that fit needs would be absolutely perfect for next year..If Elliott comes that fills your three scholarships, and opens up one again for Joey in 2018. Look, this last year was all about making the tourney, they did that. But this upcoming year is about taking it a step further and not only getting to the tourney but winning when they get there..I think without a grad transfer(or 2), there will just be too many holes to fill for them to possibly even make the tourney again, and a step back would NOT be a good thing for the program.
I would take a traditional transfer next year and a grad transfer, but that grad transfer better be a flat out stud so he can help immediately as more then just a minimal role player. I'd LOVE for Noah Dickerson to transfer to MU.
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I would take a traditional transfer next year and a grad transfer, but that grad transfer better be a flat out stud so he can help immediately as more then just a minimal role player. I'd LOVE for Noah Dickerson to transfer to MU.
FWIW, Dickerson has not been granted his release. He met with Mike Hopkins yesterday and it sounds like he may be staying at Washington.
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ba-ba-BONUS!
CBB bonus ep this Thursday??
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Rodney Pryor was the least of Georgetown's issues (well, maybe 2nd least outside of LJ Peak).
So you suggest going into next year with 10 scholarship players (1 of which is ineligible for 40% of the season), and just see what happens! Sounds brilliant.
Duke had less than that 2 season ago. Their season turned out alright.
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JJJ and others are right, and I have been preaching this since the season ended...I want as much talent as can be accumulated, no matter how it's accumulated. Two absolute STUD grad transfers that fit needs would be absolutely perfect for next year..If Elliott comes that fills your three scholarships, and opens up one again for Joey in 2018. Look, this last year was all about making the tourney, they did that. But this upcoming year is about taking it a step further and not only getting to the tourney but winning when they get there..I think without a grad transfer(or 2), there will just be too many holes to fill for them to possibly even make the tourney again, and a step back would NOT be a good thing for the program.
I would take a traditional transfer next year and a grad transfer, but that grad transfer better be a flat out stud so he can help immediately as more then just a minimal role player. I'd LOVE for Noah Dickerson to transfer to MU.
See JamilJaeJamailJrJuan, you have muguru on your side. I rest my case!!!
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See JamilJaeJamailJrJuan, you have muguru on your side. I rest my case!!!
Lol, thats nearing the death sentence of MUFINY.
Duke had less than that 2 season ago. Their season turned out alright.
We have nowhere near the talent that Duke has. We have 3 returning legitimate high major players, 3 major question marks, a dude who is ineligible for half the season, and 3 unrated freshman. Big difference.
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a step back would NOT be a good thing for the program muguru's sanity.
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We have nowhere near the talent that Duke has. We have 3 returning legitimate high major players, 3 major question marks, a dude who is ineligible for half the season, and 3 unrated freshman. Big difference.
Not that it makes a big difference, but Jamal Cain is 83rd in the 247 Composite rankings and Theo isn't far outside the top 100 (113th). Jamal is 95th in the RSCI rankings.
And I'm not sure it's fair to label Haanif a "major" question mark (I'm assuming you're calling Rowsey, Howard and Hauser the 'legit' players). He got a bit off course this season, but he's a really talented kid who ought to get back on track with a more clearly defined role next season.
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Not that it makes a big difference, but Jamal Cain is 83rd in the 247 Composite rankings and Theo isn't far outside the top 100 (113th). Jamal is 95th in the RSCI rankings.
And I'm not sure it's fair to label Haanif a "major" question mark (I'm assuming you're calling Rowsey, Howard and Hauser the 'legit' players). He got a bit off course this season, but he's a really talented kid who ought to get back on track with a more clearly defined role next season.
Dont get me wrong, I like all of our recruits and they all fill a need. But to expect any of them to be major impact players next year is silly. I think Theo will have the biggest impact simply because we badly need a player of his style. I think he would have gotten good minutes on the team this year!
I love Hanni. But to label him anything other than a question mark is being optimistic. I hope like hell he comes back with a fury next season. But the scouting report is out on him, and if he doesn't develop his right hand and some semblance of a mid range game (FWIW, I think he'll do both), he's nothing more than a bench contributor.
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And in the Sacar Amin thread, someone said that they were "super excited to see what Sacar can do next year." Hopefully, he gets a chance to show what he can do.
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And in the Sacar Amin thread, someone said that they were "super excited to see what Sacar can do next year."
You're a piece of work. I am excited to see what Sacar can do next year. I'm not so excited to see what he can do that I feel comfortable entering next season with him at the top of the depth chart at SF and number 2 at SG, or visa versa.
Thankfully those in charge of recruiting likely agree with me, and I am confident we'll have at a minimum 12 scholarship players. But continue to bang that drum!
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I love Hanni. But to label him anything other than a question mark is being optimistic. I hope like hell he comes back with a fury next season. But the scouting report is out on him, and if he doesn't develop his right hand and some semblance of a mid range game (FWIW, I think he'll do both), he's nothing more than a bench contributor.
To say Haanif can be counted on for a big season is optimistic.
To label him a "major question mark" along with someone like Sacar is overly pessimistic.
Fact is, despite all the struggles (IMO,somewhat the result of an undefined role), Haanif's per 40 numbers were largely on par with Sam and Duane, and his advanced stats across the board were better than Duane's. Somehow I doubt anyone here would label Duane a "major question mark" if he were returning.
Again, no one is disputing Haanif struggled last season and will need a bounce back year, but calling him a "major question mark" is unfair and inaccurate.
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To say Haanif can be counted on for a big season is optimistic.
To label him a "major question mark" along with someone like Sacar is overly pessimistic.
Fact is, despite all the struggles (IMO,somewhat the result of an undefined role), Haanif's per 40 numbers were largely on par with Sam and Duane, and his advanced stats across the board were better than Duane's. Somehow I doubt anyone here would label Duane a "major question mark" if he were returning.
Again, no one is disputing Haanif struggled last season and will need a bounce back year, but calling him a "major question mark" is unfair and inaccurate.
To be fair he really struggled the last half of the BE season. in the last 5 games through the NCAA , he had 7 points and 4 rebounds in 52 minutes of play.
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To be fair he really struggled the last half of the BE season. in the last 5 games through the NCAA , he had 7 points and 4 rebounds in 52 minutes of play.
I think he is a major question mark because I am sure they are looking for 2 or 3 for next year, add Anim and Cain and there might be 3 kids he has to beat out
for time. To change his game in 6 months is not easy.
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To say Haanif can be counted on for a big season is optimistic.
To label him a "major question mark" along with someone like Sacar is overly pessimistic.
Fact is, despite all the struggles (IMO,somewhat the result of an undefined role), Haanif's per 40 numbers were largely on par with Sam and Duane, and his advanced stats across the board were better than Duane's. Somehow I doubt anyone here would label Duane a "major question mark" if he were returning.
Again, no one is disputing Haanif struggled last season and will need a bounce back year, but calling him a "major question mark" is unfair and inaccurate.
I don't know how else to say it. I like Hanni. I think he can still be a good player for MU. He is likely our 4th best returning player. I think that is a problem, and that is the basis on my ongoing discussion with 4evercrean is who incredibly scared of hurting feelings.
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Lol, thats nearing the death sentence of MUFINY.
We have nowhere near the talent that Duke has. We have 3 returning legitimate high major players, 3 major question marks, a dude who is ineligible for half the season, and 3 unrated freshman. Big difference.
Soph M2N > Frosh Trey2N
Hang a natty banner baby
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I don't know how else to say it. I like Hanni. I think he can still be a good player for MU. He is likely our 4th best returning player. I think that is a problem, and that is the basis on my ongoing discussion with 4evercrean is who incredibly scared of hurting feelings.
Not yours, my friend.
And who said Sacar would be at the top of the depth chart at either 2G or SF? Out of Cheatham, Hauser, Cain and Sacar, I think only one will start with Howard and Rowsey most likely continuing as the starting backcourt. And that starter is almost assurredly going to be Hauser. So you're going to sit Sam down for a grad transfer after he started as a freshman while we're trying to recruit his brother? Hmmm. I think these facts are why Wojo has said that he's looking for a freshman to redshirt on the wing this spring. Unfortunately Elliot has probably out grown that description.
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Not yours, my friend.
And who said Sacar would be at the top of the depth chart at either 2G or SF? Out of Cheatham, Hauser, Cain and Sacar, I think only one will start with Howard and Rowsey most likely continuing as the starting backcourt. And that starter is almost assurredly going to be Hauser. So you're going to sit Sam down for a grad transfer after he started as a freshman while we're trying to recruit his brother? Hmmm. I think these facts are why Wojo has said that he's looking for a freshman to redshirt on the wing this spring. Unfortunately Elliot has probably out grown that description.
I provided this for you yesterday, but I will provide it again. Right now our incredibly thin roster currently looks like this:
PG: Howard / Rowsey
SG: Cheatham / Anim
SF: Hauser / Cain
PF: John / Froling (when eligible)
C: Heldt / Eke (would be ideal RS)
So yes, Anim is currently the main backup at SG and SF, if he isn't starting.
I have never said anything about Sam being moved to the bench. Your words, not mine. That isn't going to happen.
I think the freshman to RS is Eke. But that requires us getting another front court player, either via grad transfer or Clifton Moore. Elliot would be great to land, I hope we get him. Outside of that, it is obvious that we still need a do it all wing type that can play next year. I think most here agree.
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I provided this for you yesterday, but I will provide it again. Right now our incredibly thin roster currently looks like this:
PG: Howard / Rowsey
SG: Cheatham / Anim
SF: Hauser / Cain
PF: John / Froling (when eligible)
C: Heldt / Eke (would be ideal RS)
So yes, Anim is currently the main backup at SG and SF, if he isn't starting.
I have never said anything about Sam being moved to the bench. Your words, not mine. That isn't going to happen.
I think the freshman to RS is Eke. But that requires us getting another front court player, either via grad transfer or Clifton Moore. Elliot would be great to land, I hope we get him. Outside of that, it is obvious that we still need a do it all wing type that can play next year. I think most here agree.
We don't disagree that the roster could use some depth. I like the idea to get a grad transfer big to alow Eke to redshirt, although its not crucial - you really only need three bigs to rotate in - and Eke will be there to provide a fourth for practice whether he redshirts or not.
The problem with your roster list is it assumes that Howard and Rowsey as the two point guards will not be on the floor at the same time, they will. Whoever isn't playing the point will be the 2G, and the best 2G on the roster will probably be the main backup to both, but not be a starter. You say that your grad transfer wing won't sit Sam down, so where's he going to play? The four spot? That might have worked with this year's roster so short on big men, but that won't be the case this year with three new bigs on the roster replacing only one who left creating a net gain of two bigs.
Players grad transfer because they want to be the man. If MU can't offer a reasonable chance of starting, then how good are the chances of MU getting a quality GT wing? We might get someone with a little skill willing to be a bench player on a NCAA team, but that's probably the best senario.
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We don't disagree that the roster could use some depth. I like the idea to get a grad transfer big to alow Eke to redshirt, although its not crucial - you really only need three bigs to rotate in - and Eke will be there to provide a fourth for practice whether he redshirts or not.
The problem with your roster list is it assumes that Howard and Rowsey as the two point guards will not be on the floor at the same time, they will. Whoever isn't playing the point will be the 2G, and the best 2G on the roster will probably be the main backup to both, but not be a starter. You say that your grad transfer wing won't sit Sam down, so where's he going to play? The four spot? That might have worked with this year's roster so short on big men, but that won't be the case this year with three new bigs on the roster replacing only one who left creating a net gain of two bigs.
Players grad transfer because they want to be the man. If MU can't offer a reasonable chance of starting, then how good are the chances of MU getting a quality GT wing? We might get someone with a little skill willing to be a bench player on a NCAA team, but that's probably the best senario.
Rowsey and Howard will definitely play some together because both deserve 25+ MPG, but both had foul issues this year, and I suspect for defensive purposes, they won't be on the court together more than 10-15 minutes per game next year.
Just purely based on a numbers game, Sam is going to play the 4 quite a bit until Froling is eligible to play. So there are plenty of minutes to go around.
I suppose we can agree to disagree and move on. I am fairly confident Wojo will do what he can to add a high impact wing. Whether or not he lands one we'll have to wait and see.
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Players grad transfer because they want to be the man.
Not necessarily. Katin transferred because he wanted to be the man. Others transfer because they want to be a part of something. My guess is that Wojo will going after stud grad transfers who are more interested in making the tournament than making the association. My gut tells me that if we get a grad transfer, it will be from a school that didn't make the tournament last season and isn't projected to make the tournament this season.
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Not necessarily. Katin transferred because he wanted to be the man. Others transfer because they want to be a part of something. My guess is that Wojo will going after stud grad transfers who are more interested in making the tournament than making the association. My gut tells me that if we get a grad transfer, it will be from a school that didn't make the tournament last season and isn't projected to make the tournament this season.
And even he adapted to not being the man. Guy chose not to start on senior day! Sometimes guys buy in.
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And even he adapted to not being the man. Guy chose not to start on senior day! Sometimes guys buy in.
KR grew a lot over the course of the season. I am glad it worked out so well . I hope he finds success overseas.
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KR grew a lot over the course of the season. I am glad it worked out so well . I hope he finds success overseas.
Demotivational growth, ai'na?
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KR grew a lot over the course of the season. I am glad it worked out so well . I hope he finds success overseas.
Orr at da Y on Saturday's mornin's, hey?
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Orr at da Y on Saturday's mornin's, hey?
Only if he choose too. He absolutely has enough talent to play overseas. I mean I'm pretty sure Dwight Burke is still playing professionally overseas.
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Orr at da Y on Saturday's mornin's, hey?
He signed his agent, and according to his instagram, purchased what is probably at least an $80k car. So my guess is his agent has a pretty good idea his is getting paid handsomely to pay next year.
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Orr at da Y on Saturday's mornin's, hey?
With a name like Katin Reinhardt he is going to be a huge star in the German Basketball Bundesliga.
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Only if he choose too. He absolutely has enough talent to play overseas. I mean I'm pretty sure Dwight Burke is still playing professionally overseas.
You are right, he still is. He's playing for a team in france called Quimper