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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2017, 02:14:12 PM
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Since it is the off-season we expand the list of possible topics to college basketball in general ...
Bucky is tied with Gonzaga for with the fourth longest streak of NCAA appearances at 19 (Kansas 28, Duke 22, MSU 20 are ahead). Next year this streak will be tested like it has not in the last 19.
First, Bucky had four senior starters this year ... Koenig, Hayes, Brown, and Showalter.
Combined:
Minutes 113 (56% of the 200 minutes per game)
Points 43.2 (59% of the 73/game they average)
Rebounds 13.4 (36% of the 37 per game they average)
Yes, they have Happ returning. They can only go so far with Happ and a bunch of question marks, including Trice and Iverson.
See MU last year, could not make the tourney (or the NIT) with first rounder Ellenson and a bunch of question marks. See LSU last year, they could not make the tourney with No.1 pick Simmons and a bunch of question marks.
So next year Bucky officially becomes Gard's team. What will happen with them? Right now I would only rank Izzo/Michigan State ahead of Bucky in the Big 10. Will they fall from this mantle to "just another decent Big 10 team?" One that makes the tourney a few years in a row and then sits out?
Can Gard make the transition like Bo did from Dick Bennett or will Gard turn Bucky into Iowa or Ohio State (to steal a from my Archie Miller comment)?
You agree about the importance of next year for Bucky?
I don't think Bucky makes the big dance next year. You agree with this?
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The Badgers are not going to be very good next year.
But who gives a crap? Go ask this on the Madison board.
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W. G. a F? It's the badgers.
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Since it is the off-season we expand the list of possible topics to college basketball in general ...
Bucky is tied with Gonzaga for with the fourth longest streak of NCAA appearances at 19 (Kansas 28, Duke 22, MSU 20 are ahead). Next year this streak will be tested like it has not in the last 19.
First, Bucky had four senior starters this year ... Koenig, Hayes, Brown, and Showalter.
Combined:
Minutes 113 (56% of the 200 minutes per game)
Points 43.2 (59% of the 73/game they average)
Rebounds 13.4 (36% of the 37 per game they average)
Yes, they have Happ returning. They can only go so far with Happ and a bunch of question marks, including Trice and Iverson.
See MU last year, could not make the tourney (or the NIT) with first rounder Ellenson and a bunch of question marks. See LSU last year, they could not make the tourney with No.1 pick Simmons and a bunch of question marks.
So next year Bucky officially becomes Gard's team. What will happen with them? Right now I would only rank Izzo/Michigan State ahead of Bucky in the Big 10. Will they fall from this mantle to "just another decent Big 10 team?" One that makes the tourney a few years in a row and then sits out?
Can Gard make the transition like Bo did from Dick Bennett or will Gard turn Bucky into Iowa or Ohio State (to steal a from my Archie Miller comment)?
You agree about the importance of next year for Bucky?
I don't think Bucky makes the big dance next year. You agree with this?
Who gives a f**k.
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Superbar.
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What's wrong with
Apple the Wisconsin Badgers?
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Yes, they have Happ returning. They can only go so far with Happ and a bunch of question marks, including Trice and Iverson.
Ahh, the joys of naivete. Remember 2013-14? "They can only go so far with Brust and a bunch of question marks" we thought. Well, those question marks (Dekker, Kaminsky, Gasser, Jackson) did okay for themselves by "only going" to back-to-back Final Fours.
Or how about January 2016? "They can only go so far with Hayes, Koenig, a bunch of question marks, an interim coach, and a 9-9 record that includes losses to Western Illinois and Milwaukee" we postulated. Then they found themselves "only going" to back-to-back Sweet 16s, both times mere seconds away from Elite 8s.
They return a second-team All-American, two key role players (and their role players annoyingly ALWAYS step up), a talented freshmen crop, and a system that has put them in the tourney for the past two decades straight. Writing them off at this point would be idiotic. Hell, if they couldn't collapse in 2016, they'll probably never die. They're like Jason or Freddy, they just keep coming back to torment us.
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Keep in mind, this is the same dude that started a thread talking about how Bucky was choking down the stretch. Basically, take what he says and assume the opposite and you'll have a pretty good chance of being right.
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Keep in mind, this is the same dude that started a thread talking about how Bucky was choking down the stretch. Basically, take what he says and assume the opposite and you'll have a pretty good chance of being right.
Basically, put him and MUFINY in a blender, run it in reverse, and you'll have a never-ending font of knowledge ;D
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Basically, put him and MUFINY in a blender, run it in reverse, and you'll have a never-ending font of knowledge ;D
MUFNY for the character of any human being on planets and Heise for all analysis of the quality of a product.
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Since it is the off-season we expand the list of possible topics to college basketball in general ...
Bucky is tied with Gonzaga for with the fourth longest streak of NCAA appearances at 19 (Kansas 28, Duke 22, MSU 20 are ahead). Next year this streak will be tested like it has not in the last 19.
First, Bucky had four senior starters this year ... Koenig, Hayes, Brown, and Showalter.
Combined:
Minutes 113 (56% of the 200 minutes per game)
Points 43.2 (59% of the 73/game they average)
Rebounds 13.4 (36% of the 37 per game they average)
Yes, they have Happ returning. They can only go so far with Happ and a bunch of question marks, including Trice and Iverson.
See MU last year, could not make the tourney (or the NIT) with first rounder Ellenson and a bunch of question marks. See LSU last year, they could not make the tourney with No.1 pick Simmons and a bunch of question marks.
So next year Bucky officially becomes Gard's team. What will happen with them? Right now I would only rank Izzo/Michigan State ahead of Bucky in the Big 10. Will they fall from this mantle to "just another decent Big 10 team?" One that makes the tourney a few years in a row and then sits out?
Can Gard make the transition like Bo did from Dick Bennett or will Gard turn Bucky into Iowa or Ohio State (to steal a from my Archie Miller comment)?
You agree about the importance of next year for Bucky?
I don't think Bucky makes the big dance next year. You agree with this?
Please post this on the Badger board and I will respond there. We can have a whole thread
http://www.scout.com/college/wisconsin/forums/2565-kohl-center-basketball-board
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Please post this on the Badger board and I will respond there. We can have a whole thread
http://www.scout.com/college/wisconsin/forums/2565-kohl-center-basketball-board
No
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Who gives a f**k.
Agreed.
That said, it will be interesting to witness. If Gard is less than perfect, Barry will be all over him like a badger over a dead mouse.
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No
Actually..."yes" take this sh!t to a board about another school.
i can't believe that some folks (heisey/kenosha) don't get that a lot of us don't live in WI and don't give a rip about other WI school's basketball programs.
should i start threads ore posting about KU hoops because i live in Kansas City? No. our tie is Marquette not wisconsin.
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UW scoop, eh?
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UW scoop, eh?
I'm not usually one to yell "superbar" or complain about talk about other schools.....but I did find it interesting that in my nightly ritual of clicking on threads with new posts from bottom to top, three of the first four were completely about the Badgers.
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I'm not usually one to yell "superbar" or complain about talk about other schools.....but I did find it interesting that in my nightly ritual of clicking on threads with new posts from bottom to top, three of the first four were completely about the Badgers.
Well, the badgers have two FFs, two S16 in the last four years. They are also working on a string of 19 straight NCAA tournament appearances, after having just one in the previous 47 years.
Like it or not they HAVE BEEN one of the truly elite teams in college basketball the last several years. Now they are arguably graduating their best class ever and what I think is still an unproven coach is now in charge. What comes next is a huge unknown.
They are an important team at an important juncture and this is a basketball board that has no problem discussing the following topics on the first page:
Northwestern,
other Big East teams,
Bill Murray,
women's basketball,
other coaching changes,
Florida basketball,
Indiana basketball,
Georgetown coaching change
ACC basketball
So silly me for thinking a discussion of an important team at an important juncture in their history was warranted.
The exception is Brew, his was the only non-childish response.
I have to remind myself again that there are three topics set people off here ... Norte Dame, Wisconsin, and Crean.
So I apologize for thinking that maybe this one time this board Was capable of a rational commentary relating to this.
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Well, the badgers have two FFs, two S16 in the last four years. They are also working on a string of 19 straight NCAA tournament appearances, after having just one in the previous 47 years.
Like it or not they HAVE BEEN one of the truly elite teams in college basketball the last several years. Now they are arguably graduating their best class ever and what I think is still an unproven coach is now in charge. What comes next is a huge unknown.
They are an important team at an important juncture and this is a basketball board that has no problem discussing the following topics on the first page:
Northwestern,
other Big East teams,
Bill Murray,
women's basketball,
other coaching changes,
Florida basketball,
Indiana basketball,
Georgetown coaching change
ACC basketball
So silly me for thinking a discussion of an important team at an important juncture in their history was warranted.
The exception is Brew, his was the only non-childish response.
I have to remind myself again that there are three topics set people off here ... Norte Dame, Wisconsin, and Crean.
So I apologize for thinking that maybe this one time this board Was capable of a rational commentary relating to this.
Geez, thanks for sharing!
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Well, the badgers have two FFs, two S16 in the last four years. They are also working on a string of 19 straight NCAA tournament appearances, after having just one in the previous 47 years.
Like it or not they HAVE BEEN one of the truly elite teams in college basketball the last several years. Now they are arguably graduating their best class ever and what I think is still an unproven coach is now in charge. What comes next is a huge unknown.
They are an important team at an important juncture and this is a basketball board that has no problem discussing the following topics on the first page:
Northwestern,
other Big East teams,
Bill Murray,
women's basketball,
other coaching changes,
Florida basketball,
Indiana basketball,
Georgetown coaching change
ACC basketball
So silly me for thinking a discussion of an important team at an important juncture in their history was warranted.
The exception is Brew, his was the only non-childish response.
I have to remind myself again that there are three topics set people off here ... Norte Dame, Wisconsin, and Crean.
So I apologize for thinking that maybe this one time this board Was capable of a rational commentary relating to this.
Ahh yes. The "put my thread that has absolutely nothing to do with MU basketball so I can get more attention and then cry victim because people say my ever important thread doesn't belong there" tactic. A classic Heise move.
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Since it is the off-season we expand the list of possible topics to college basketball in general ...
Bucky is tied with Gonzaga for with the fourth longest streak of NCAA appearances at 19 (Kansas 28, Duke 22, MSU 20 are ahead). Next year this streak will be tested like it has not in the last 19.
First, Bucky had four senior starters this year ... Koenig, Hayes, Brown, and Showalter.
Combined:
Minutes 113 (56% of the 200 minutes per game)
Points 43.2 (59% of the 73/game they average)
Rebounds 13.4 (36% of the 37 per game they average)
Yes, they have Happ returning. They can only go so far with Happ and a bunch of question marks, including Trice and Iverson.
See MU last year, could not make the tourney (or the NIT) with first rounder Ellenson and a bunch of question marks. See LSU last year, they could not make the tourney with No.1 pick Simmons and a bunch of question marks.
So next year Bucky officially becomes Gard's team. What will happen with them? Right now I would only rank Izzo/Michigan State ahead of Bucky in the Big 10. Will they fall from this mantle to "just another decent Big 10 team?" One that makes the tourney a few years in a row and then sits out?
Can Gard make the transition like Bo did from Dick Bennett or will Gard turn Bucky into Iowa or Ohio State (to steal a from my Archie Miller comment)?
You agree about the importance of next year for Bucky?
I don't think Bucky makes the big dance next year. You agree with this?
I can only assume u are from wisconsin? Cuz us alum feom the ither 49 states dont give a f*ck
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this one time
I think you've identified the problem.
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I specifically said that I don't say things like Superbar. I was just observing that a majoritybof the active threads last night were about Bucky. I didn't say if it was good or bad. Sorry if that came off childish
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Agreed.
That said, it will be interesting to witness. If Gard is less than perfect, Barry will be all over him like a badger over a dead mouse.
Gard was less than perfect on Fri. Had he told Hayes to miss the last FT (which shouldn't be difficult), the Badgers would be playing The Cocks today. Also, FL needed to foul Showalter on the catch when up 3, and there would have been no OT. Awful coaching by both teams in the last 5 seconds of both periods.
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Gard was less than perfect on Fri. Had he told Hayes to miss the last FT (which shouldn't be difficult), the Badgers would be playing The Cocks today. Also, FL needed to foul Showalter on the catch when up 3, and there would have been no OT. Awful coaching by both teams in the last 5 seconds of both periods.
I heard that Gard DID tell Hayes to miss the last free throw. Of course, when you have a free throw shooter like Hayes, sometimes you tell them to miss and they make it on accident anyway. I don't have a rulebook pulled up, but I believe the free throw has to hit the rim to get the clock running, otherwise the defense takes it in from out of bounds. So Hayes did his best, and the outcome ended up being the worst anyway.
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The clock starts on a missed FT when the ball is touched.
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The clock starts on a missed FT when the ball is touched.
But doesn't it have to hit the rim? I'm almost positive there's something about contact with the rim in there. Here's what I was referring to, though these are from rules a couple years ago:
The free-thrower fails to release the try within 10 seconds and in such a way that the ball enters the basket or touches the ring or flange before the free throw ends.
So according to that, the ball has to enter the basket or touch the rim or back-rim before the free throw ends. Then below that is this:
When a violation is by the free-thrower only or the free-thrower’s teammate only, no point shall be scored by that free throw. The ball shall become dead when the violation occurs. The ball shall be awarded at a designated spot nearest to where the violation occurred, unless another free throw is to be awarded.
So if Hayes whips it off the backboard, it would be a free throw violation and Florida would get the ball at the nearest spot to the violation.
This prevents players from whipping the second free throw off the backboard as hard as possible to rebound their own attempt. Hayes had to hit the rim for it to count. If someone is better at interpreting the rules, please enlighten us, but I'm pretty sure he had to put it on rim to count there.
Source: https://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104883/Library/files/BR15.pdf
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No you are correct. If his second FT doesn't hit the rim, it would have been a dead ball to Florida.
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No you are correct. If his second FT doesn't hit the rim, it would have been a dead ball to Florida.
This
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But doesn't it have to hit the rim? I'm almost positive there's something about contact with the rim in there. Here's what I was referring to, though these are from rules a couple years ago:
So according to that, the ball has to enter the basket or touch the rim or back-rim before the free throw ends. Then below that is this:
So if Hayes whips it off the backboard, it would be a free throw violation and Florida would get the ball at the nearest spot to the violation.
This prevents players from whipping the second free throw off the backboard as hard as possible to rebound their own attempt. Hayes had to hit the rim for it to count. If someone is better at interpreting the rules, please enlighten us, but I'm pretty sure he had to put it on rim to count there.
Source: https://ncaambb.arbitersports.com/Groups/104883/Library/files/BR15.pdf
You are correct, ball has to make contact with the rim. You are also correct in assuming that it isn't actually that easy of a task to purposely miss a free throw while still hitting the rim.
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The Warriors will crush the rodents next year. End of story.
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Koenig, Hayes, Brown, and Showalter.
Combined:
Minutes 113 (56% of the 200 minutes per game)
Points 43.2 (59% of the 73/game they average)
Rebounds 13.4 (36% of the 37 per game they average)
I am surprised those stats are not much higher than that.
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The Warriors will crush the rodents next year. End of story.
I agree with this analysis.
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i can't believe that some folks (heisey/kenosha) don't get that a lot of us don't live in WI and don't give a rip about other WI school's basketball programs.
A lot of us don't live in Chicago. We don't complain about the endless Cub/Cutler/Blackhawk/Bulls (when they are winning) threads.
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A lot of us don't live in Chicago. We don't complain about the endless Cub/Cutler/Blackhawk/Bulls (when they are winning) threads.
Aren't those in the Superbar though?
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Another one worth revisiting in light of yesterday’s game.
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Another one worth revisiting in light of yesterday’s game.
Brew and Wades mocking your well analyzed and apparently prescient post. LOL.
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The Warriors will crush the rodents next year. End of story.
I believe Stretch deserves a shout-out for his prognostication.
I, on the other hand, will admit that I was simply jumping on his bandwagon with gold-colored glasses. I had no idea that it was going to be a beating, nay a slaughtering, nay a decapitation and piking.