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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: WarriorPride68 on March 05, 2017, 03:06:41 PM
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Kim Anderson resigned from Mizz today.
Mizz Rivals posted article of a bunch of 'potential' candidates, Wojo included:
https://missouri.rivals.com/news/hoops-hot-board-v1-0
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Arrogant bunch they are. Stopped reading after Holtmann.
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Giant list that runs from reasonable to ludicrous. Includes Wojo, Buzz, and Crean. Not very well written.
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Lol - more of a listing of coaches than legitimate options. Zero chance a BE coach takes the Mizzou job, or frankly any SEC outside of the top 2. Thompson may be an option, but only because he should be shown the door at Gtown.
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Romar or Muller seem like the best options for them.
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There is a lot of reaching and wishing out there, it's a message board. What else are you gonna do like the day the old guy was fired. I'm sure other fans were laughing at our Shaka thirst.
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Methinks Mizzou thinks they are a little better of a job than they actually are.
Side note, is the first coach from the same coaching carousel as Wojo that has been fired?
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So far from memory:
NC State
Missouri
Austin Peay
Drake
South Florida
George Washington
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There is a lot of reaching and wishing out there, it's a message board. What else are you gonna do like the day the old guy was fired. I'm sure other fans were laughing at our Shaka thirst.
#donedeal
Any article that has an angry Frank Martin photo is a good one in my opinion.
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Wojo has as much chance of going to Missouri as I do to have a wonderful sexual experience with Bo Derek.
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What about Quinn Snyder?
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What about Quinn Snyder?
Because he got them on probation his last tenure there and is currently coaching the Utah Jazz and if the season ended today they would be the #4 seed in the West.
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Wojo has as much chance of going to Missouri as I do to have a wonderful sexual experience with Bo Derek.
Wood dat be your fault orr hers, hey?
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Wojo has as much chance of going to Missouri as I do to have a wonderful sexual experience with Bo Derek.
What about Quinn Snyder?
Bo Derek doesn't look like she once did, but still way out of Quinn Synyder's league.
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Why would Wojo or Holtman go there???
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They named like every coach in the country minus K.
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Tony Benford fired. North Texas waited 5 years to judge; no winning seasons.
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Because he got them on probation his last tenure there and is currently coaching the Utah Jazz and if the season ended today they would be the #4 seed in the West.
But they have everyone else on their list. Should have been tealed.
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In that article when they say "Why not Wojo" the person says that marquette is not back in the NCAA tourney. cmon now
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In that article when they say "Why not Wojo" the person says that marquette is not back in the NCAA tourney. cmon now
I have no problem with fans of other teams thinking that Wojo isn't good enough for them.
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Tony Benford fired. North Texas waited 5 years to judge; no winning seasons.
When Buzz to Oklahoma surfaced, folks felt confident in that Tony was in the wings for MU. A great assistant does not always equate to a good head coach.
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I hope Wojo becomes our Jay Wright and once successful knows what a great gig he has.
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Why would Wojo or Holtman go there???
It's Missouri, it's Missouri!
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Missouri has always had an inflated view of their program. They want to think they are not too far behind Kansas, but the fact of the matter is there is a huge difference and they will not admit it.
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I have no problem with fans of other teams thinking that Wojo isn't good enough for them.
Agree, the opposite of the Buzz problem.
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It's Missouri, it's Missouri!
IM-squared
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What about Isaac Chew in the Missouri hunt?
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Wojo spent 15 years as an assistant under K. He theoretically had other head coaching opportunities during that tenure. He went for Marquette. In theory, the environment is similar in terms of school size (Duke bigger but not huge), basketball tradition, etc. It is possible Wojo can find a home here and stiick.
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I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the only other head coaching job he was actually offered (and turned down) was from Dayton in 2011 after Brian Gregory left (and they ultimately hired Archie Miller).
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I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the only other head coaching job he was actually offered (and turned down) was from Dayton in 2011 after Brian Gregory left (and they ultimately hired Archie Miller).
That we know about....how many times were feelers put out and were dismissed out of hand?
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I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but the only other head coaching job he was actually offered (and turned down) was from Dayton in 2011 after Brian Gregory left (and they ultimately hired Archie Miller).
Clearly a good fit for our Anybody but Dayton culture.
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Tony Benford fired. North Texas waited 5 years to judge; no winning seasons.
Tony Benford to Mizzou.
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I hope Wojo becomes our Jay Wright and once successful knows what a great gig he has.
I think Wojo know's what a great MU is, that why he was selective when applying.
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Wojo spent 15 years as an assistant under K. He theoretically had other head coaching opportunities during that tenure. He went for Marquette. In theory, the environment is similar in terms of school size (Duke bigger but not huge), basketball tradition, etc. It is possible Wojo can find a home here and stiick.
In fact, he has said exactly that.
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In fact, he has said exactly that.
Don't mess with happy
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This shows you people will think of Wojo. Its ridiculous absolutely.
but when the not so ridiculous team comes calling in a few years...we have to hope he likes Marquette and Milwaukee.
The thread that speculates on Duke was way premature...BUT....one day it won't be...one day K will retire...Wojo by virtue of being one of the seasoned successful D1/NBA Duke Alumni coaches...makes him a candidate.
All premature...lets do a couple F4's!
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This shows you people will think of Wojo. Its ridiculous absolutely.
but when the not so ridiculous team comes calling in a few years...we have to hope he likes Marquette and Milwaukee.
The thread that speculates on Duke was way premature...BUT....one day it won't be...one day K will retire...Wojo by virtue of being one of the seasoned successful D1/NBA Duke Alumni coaches...makes him a candidate.
All premature...lets do a couple F4's!
Just accept it: if Duke comes calling, Wojo is gone. And rightfully so; he'd be insane to turn it down. I love Marquette basketball, and think it can be a real powerhouse, but what Coach K has going at Duke is too sweet a gig.
But in that scenario, Marquette will still have gotten what it needed out of the relationship - sustained success after the dumpster fire that Brent left.
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Just accept it: if Duke comes calling, Wojo is gone. And rightfully so; he'd be insane to turn it down. I love Marquette basketball, and think it can be a real powerhouse, but what Coach K has going at Duke is too sweet a gig.
But in that scenario, Marquette will still have gotten what it needed out of the relationship - sustained success after the dumpster fire that Brent left.
Personally, I'm not worried about Wojo getting the Duke job when K retires. I am closer to worried (but still not worried) about him taking the Duke job when the guy after K gets fired.
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This shows you people will think of Wojo. Its ridiculous absolutely.
but when the not so ridiculous team comes calling in a few years...we have to hope he likes Marquette and Milwaukee.
The thread that speculates on Duke was way premature...BUT....one day it won't be...one day K will retire...Wojo by virtue of being one of the seasoned successful D1/NBA Duke Alumni coaches...makes him a candidate.
All premature...lets do a couple F4's!
I'm guessing, he will not immediately follow Coach K but maybe after that successor. I'm thinking he has a 10 year window at MU.l
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Personally, I'm not worried about Wojo getting the Duke job when K retires. I am closer to worried (but still not worried) about him taking the Duke job when the guy after K gets fired.
This. No way Duke hands it over to Wojo unless get goes to a couple final fours in the next few years. Coach K has to be done relatively soon, I would think.
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Right now I'd put money on Jeff Capel following Coach K.
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Personally, I'm not worried about Wojo getting the Duke job when K retires. I am closer to worried (but still not worried) about him taking the Duke job when the guy after K gets fired.
THIS
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Personally, I'm not worried about Wojo getting the Duke job when K retires. I am closer to worried (but still not worried) about him taking the Duke job when the guy after K gets fired.
That's the right answer. The guy who follows Coach K has about a 1% of retiring there. With the ACC as competitive as it is now even Coach K is having a hard time dominating they way he used to. The next guy will be compared to all those conference championships, 3 final 4s in 4 years, 5 national championships. Set up to fail. "Never follow a legend. Be the guy who follows the guy who followed the legend" But that is a good 7+ years away. If Wojo is at MU so he can leave in 7 years I'll have enjoyed the ride and he will be the longest tenured coach at MU since AL.
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QuinnSnyder chose Mizzou over Marquette. He was a hotter coach than Crean. If memory serves me correctly Cords called Snyder directly when Duke was in the tourney and the call/discussion was overheard. Snyder acknowledged he was being courted by MU.
Marquette makes the coach more than the coach makes the program. Let us not forget.
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Wojo has as much chance of going to Missouri as I do to have a wonderful sexual experience with Bo Derek.
Because she's above your pay grade? Or because she is in her 60s?
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If Missouri has any brain at all, they hire Greg Marshall.
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When Buzz to Oklahoma surfaced, folks felt confident in that Tony was in the wings for MU. A great assistant does not always equate to a good head coach.
Stop it....we all agree that Stan is better than Wojo.
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If Missouri has any brain at all, they hire Greg Marshall.
He's certainly a logical candidate, but hasn't he turned down better jobs than Mizzou?
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He's certainly a logical candidate, but hasn't he turned down better jobs than Mizzou?
He likely has, and I would expect better jobs than Mizzou to open up. Like Indiana. I would think any MVC coach would have to listen to them.
Here's a tidbit: http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/3/5/14822676/tom-crean-missouri
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Big East Coast Bias @becb_sbn 2h2 hours ago
In theory, Duke/UNC/Cuse/Louisville/Indiana will all open in the next five-ish years.
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You know it would be interesting to see if Self interviews for the UNC or Duke job after K and Williams retire. Kansas seems like it's fallen a bit in terms of its blue blood status and I think the only way Marshall leaves Wichita state is if KU opens up
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mizzou still has a mens basketball team??
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He's certainly a logical candidate, but hasn't he turned down better jobs than Mizzou?
From what I hear no better jobs have ever been offered to him. Supposedly has a less than stellar reputation.
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You know it would be interesting to see if Self interviews for the UNC or Duke job after K and Williams retire. Kansas seems like it's fallen a bit in terms of its blue blood status and I think the only way Marshall leaves Wichita state is if KU opens up
Kansas "seems like it's fallen a bit in terms of its blue blood status?" How?
They have never been a better program than they have been under Self.
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Kansas "seems like it's fallen a bit in terms of its blue blood status?" How?
They have never been a better program than they have been under Self.
+1. In what world has Kansas fallen? They've won the B12, what 12 years in a row?
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mizzou still has a mens basketball team??
Or a football team?
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+1. In what world has Kansas fallen? They've won the B12, what 12 years in a row?
They have fallen all the way to number 1!
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Kansas "seems like it's fallen a bit in terms of its blue blood status?" How?
They have never been a better program than they have been under Self.
Well that's not true. They've certainly had stretches better or as good.
But anyways compared to Kentucky, Duke, and UNC have all done better in the same stretch. Louisville and UConn have as well. I'm not sure if they've fallen so muc as the final fours aren't coming like they used to and aren't coming to them at the rate their peers over the same stretch have been getting them.
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mizzou still has a mens basketball team??
lol
My daughter goes to Mizzou, and most of the students don't seem to be aware....
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Well that's not true. They've certainly had stretches better or as good.
But anyways compared to Kentucky, Duke, and UNC have all done better in the same stretch. Louisville and UConn have as well. I'm not sure if they've fallen so muc as the final fours aren't coming like they used to and aren't coming to them at the rate their peers over the same stretch have been getting them.
When have they been better than they are now?
In Self's 13 years, they have won 12 conference titles, been to six elite eights, two Final Fours and won a national championship.
In Williams' 15 years, they won 9 conference titles, been to five elite eights, four Final Fours and zero national championships.
Larry Brown was around for 5, Danny Manning filled years. Before that they had some long time coaches who were very successful but nothing like they are now.
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Wojo has as much chance of going to Missouri as I do to have a wonderful sexual experience with Bo Derek.
Always stay optimistic on these matters. I am confident, with the right strategy Bo Derek is attainable.So don't give up hope on Mizzou, they could close the deal and it would be a great three way . Wojo gets more coin, we get a windfall on the contract payout and Stan becomes the Man.
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When have they been better than they are now?
In Self's 13 years, they have won 12 conference titles, been to six elite eights, two Final Fours and won a national championship.
In Williams' 15 years, they won 9 conference titles, been to five elite eights, four Final Fours and zero national championships.
Larry Brown was around for 5, Danny Manning filled years. Before that they had some long time coaches who were very successful but nothing like they are now.
Didn't realize you wanted a particular stretch equal to that length, I was just going to say the 50s or Larry brown.
Personally i don't think conference championships are much for people to care about. If it was people would give JT3 a bit of a longer rope.
I still think a couple more chokes like 2/3 years or the northern Iowa upset, that the KU boosters will be a bit anxious. That program isn't MU, they aren't getting off to Elite 8s and sweet 16s.
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Didn't realize you wanted a particular stretch equal to that length, I was just going to say the 50s or Larry brown.
Personally i don't think conference championships are much for people to care about. If it was people would give JT3 a bit of a longer rope.
I still think a couple more chokes like 2/3 years or the northern Iowa upset, that the KU boosters will be a bit anxious. That program isn't MU, they aren't getting off to Elite 8s and sweet 16s.
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Didn't realize you wanted a particular stretch equal to that length, I was just going to say the 50s or Larry brown.
Personally i don't think conference championships are much for people to care about. If it was people would give JT3 a bit of a longer rope.
I still think a couple more chokes like 2/3 years or the northern Iowa upset, that the KU boosters will be a bit anxious. That program isn't MU, they aren't getting off to Elite 8s and sweet 16s.
Larry Brown was there for five years, had one of the best players in college basketball history, and left them on probation.
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Wojo has as much chance of going to Missouri as I do to have a wonderful sexual experience with Bo Derek.
I'm sure this is what he is thinking about. Stop bursting his bubble (no pun intended).
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Miles must have watched Eddie The Eagle recently.
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Did you purposely use an actor that went to Kansas? genius or idiot savant? either way..brilliant.
*Or, i'm an idiot and am thinking of the wrong actor NM - looked it up and Rudd did go to KU.
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Always stay optimistic on these matters. I am confident, with the right strategy Bo Derek is attrightble . So don't give up hope on Mizzou, they could close the deal and it would be a great three way . Wojo gets more coin, we get a windfall on the contract payout and Stan becomes the Man.
You are fake news
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Did you purposely use an actor that went to Kansas? genius or idiot savant? either way..brilliant.
*Or, i'm an idiot and am thinking of the wrong actor NM - looked it up and Rudd did go to KU.
Uhh that's Brian Fantana. He's a broadcaster at KVWN in San Diego.
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Well that's not true. They've certainly had stretches better or as good.
But anyways compared to Kentucky, Duke, and UNC have all done better in the same stretch. Louisville and UConn have as well. I'm not sure if they've fallen so muc as the final fours aren't coming like they used to and aren't coming to them at the rate their peers over the same stretch have been getting them.
Throw away your shovel and quit digging.
Self has the best record of any coach in Kansas history.
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James Naismith owns the only losing record in Kansas history.
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James Naismith owns the only losing record in Kansas history.
Well, that guy knew nothing about basketball, so....
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A lot of speculation about Cuonzo to Mizzou.
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A lot of speculation about Cuonzo to Mizzou.
The guy was complaining about racism in Tennessee and now wants to return to the south... ok
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The guy was complaining about racism in Tennessee and now wants to return to the south... ok
Missouri is the South? .
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Missouri is the South? .
"Although it is usually today considered part of the Midwest, Missouri was historically considered by many to be a border state, chiefly because of the settlement of migrants from the South and its status as a slave state before the Civil War, balanced by the influence of the St. Louis."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri
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You know it would be interesting to see if Self interviews for the UNC or Duke job after K and Williams retire. Kansas seems like it's fallen a bit in terms of its blue blood status and I think the only way Marshall leaves Wichita state is if KU opens up
Are u freaking kidding me? They won a national title not too long ago , sign rarely anything but mcdonalds allamericans, have won a rugged big 12 for 13!!! Straight seasons and are currently the #1 ranked team in the country!!
My goodness that has to be the most innaccurate statement i have read in a long while
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"Although it is usually today considered part of the Midwest, Missouri was historically considered by many to be a border state, chiefly because of the settlement of migrants from the South and its status as a slave state before the Civil War, balanced by the influence of the St. Louis."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri
Yeah, screw geography.....
You would be hard-pressed to get anyone from the actual South to agree that Missouri is a southern state. As I recall, it was a little controversial when they got admitted to the SEFC.
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Are u freaking kidding me? They won a national title not too long ago , sign rarely anything but mcdonalds allamericans, have won a rugged big 12 for 13!!! Straight seasons and are currently the #1 ranked team in the country!!
My goodness that has to be the most innaccurate statement i have read in a long while
9 years ago is not "not too long ago". I was on a date just last week with a KU girl who was going on about how upset she was that KU chokes every year compared to their "peers". Once again its success that we'd kill for but in Selfs span of time UConn has won 3, Florida (1 more FF), Duke (1 more FF) and UNC (2 more FF) have won 2. Additional peers like UK has won 1 but been to 3 more FF and Louisville has won one with 2 more FF. That puts Kansas at least 7th in Selfs tenure and depending on how much more important championships are than FFs you could say Michigan St's 4 FFs has been better as well.
Obviously Self is a good coach but blue bloods fire good coaches when their expectations aren't realistic.
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9 years ago is not "not too long ago". I was on a date just last week with a KU girl who was going on about how upset she was that KU chokes every year compared to their "peers". Once again its success that we'd kill for but in Selfs span of time UConn has won 3, Florida (1 more FF), Duke (1 more FF) and UNC (2 more FF) have won 2. Additional peers like UK has won 1 but been to 3 more FF and Louisville has won one with 2 more FF. That puts Kansas at least 7th in Selfs tenure and depending on how much more important championships are than FFs you could say Michigan St's 4 FFs has been better as well.
Obviously Self is a good coach but blue bloods fire good coaches when their expectations aren't realistic.
Well hell, if a 20-something year old thinks Kansas is no longer a blue blood, WTF do we know?
But seriously, before last year, UNC hadn't been to the Final Four since 2009. Before winning the title in 2015, Duke had one Final Four appearance over ten years. Before 2013, Louisville hadn't won a title since the mid-80s. Florida? Those two titles were ten years ago and they have been to one Final Four since.
Piece of advice: If she is that entitled now, you may want to stay away.
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9 years ago is not "not too long ago". I was on a date just last week with a KU girl who was going on about how upset she was that KU chokes every year compared to their "peers". Once again its success that we'd kill for but in Selfs span of time UConn has won 3, Florida (1 more FF), Duke (1 more FF) and UNC (2 more FF) have won 2. Additional peers like UK has won 1 but been to 3 more FF and Louisville has won one with 2 more FF. That puts Kansas at least 7th in Selfs tenure and depending on how much more important championships are than FFs you could say Michigan St's 4 FFs has been better as well.
Obviously Self is a good coach but blue bloods fire good coaches when their expectations aren't realistic.
Just, no. People said the same thing about Roy Williams when we was at KU...except unlike Self he never actually won the big one there. Yet Roy wasn't going anywhere if KU had its say and neither is Self. Not hyperbole - there's a 0% chance Self get canned.
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Regarding NC State Job:
Names hearing on top of NC State's wish list are Butler's Chris Holtmann and VCU's Will Wade. Will be interesting to see if Debbie Yow can get either.
- Jeff Goodman
Really hoping Holtmann stays around. Hard to believe he'd think NC State is an update over what he is building at Butler.
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Jamil
Just curious, what has changed in a few short weeks? I would still take Rick's SLU and by a wide margin. A top 10 coach that built program into a winner. I hope we are comparing Wojo to Rick down the road.
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Missouri is 100% the south.
Kansas is 100% still a blue blood. Its hard to win a national championship.
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Missouri is 100% the south.
Kansas is 100% still a blue blood. Its hard to win a national championship.
I am going by memory, but I think Kentucky only has one title in the last 9 years and that is probably with three times the McDonald's all-Americans that Kansas had.
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Jamil
Just curious, what has changed in a few short weeks? I would still take Rick's SLU and by a wide margin. A top 10 coach that built program into a winner. I hope we are comparing Wojo to Rick down the road.
Unlike you, a few weeks ago, I wasn't calling for pitchforks and wasting my time on a message board lamenting about a team I said I didn't care enough about to attend a huge game, with free tickets, mind you.
I respected the fact that Wojo is building something and you take the highs with the lows. I also respected the fact that the season wasn't over and that 9-9 or better and we're dancing. Fast forward a few weeks, were 10-8, and likely looking at something between a 7-10 seed. And this team has the ability to win some games in this tournament.
It's not a Wojo vs Rick thing. It's a you stating you'd prefer to be SLU circa 2012 versus where we stand today. To me, that's comical.
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Missouri is 100% the south.
Kansas is 100% still a blue blood. Its hard to win a national championship.
As a Missourian (by tenure not birth) nobody in KC or StL would consider themselves southerners. The rural communities near Tenn and Ark? Maybe - but no different than those rural parts of IL near Kentucky.
I think the vast majority of state residents would say Midwest. I admit the slavery history does provide a great argument the other way - but i don't believe MO was ever a confederate state.
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Jamil
Are you serious? Pitchforks? Lamenting about a team I did not care about it? Try and remember why I would not go a specific game with free tickets. It was the same reason 2500 other paid patrons stayed home. Sub par opponent at less than desirable time. The one and only time I get down on the program was around the GT game.
Of course it is a Rick vs Wojo thing. What the fxxk else would it be?Rick was an A++ coach, especially when he worked at, and had the start of a very nice run beginning at SLU prior to his illness. For the record, aside from Rick, I want nothing to do with anything SLU related. If you have read my posts over the years you would know my comment was 100% based off Rick vs. Wojo.
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Jamil
Just curious, what has changed in a few short weeks? I would still take Rick's SLU and by a wide margin. A top 10 coach that built program into a winner. I hope we are comparing Wojo to Rick down the road.
Why would you take Rick's SLU over Wojo's Marquette? SLU was a house of cards being held together by a great coach. It immediately fell to the bottom third of D1 as soon as Rick moved on. Marquette is still a top 25 program that is getting stronger every year under a green coach. If Wojo were to leave, it would still be a top program.
Its not like SLU was even that impressive on the court. They had one good year under Rick where they went 26-8 in the A10, earned a 9 seed and made the Round of 32. Now for SLU that was amazing, but again, I would much rather have Marquette's team this year than Rick's best SLU team. Not to mention, that year took place in Rick's 5th season in St. Louis. In his 4th season, he went 12-19. Scoop would have run Rick out of town before he even got that great season!
Now if you are you saying you would rather have Rick Majerus at his prime for a coach than the current version of Wojo, I would agree with you. But I would never want Marquette to resemble SLU's program in any way, shape, or form.
I'm not sure if Rick's first three years as a head coach were any better than Wojo's were. Hard to compare the two since college basketball is so wildly different now.
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TAMU
Why are you young guys so fxxk'in literal. My point I was would have taken Rick's last SLU Feb/March over our season. Who in the right fxxk'in would think ANYONE would want anything to do with SLU? I have said 1000 times on year on how I do not want MU to become SLU.
For the record, SLU has sucked for the majority of their history, more years than not Rick called it in early and did not care and for three months the stars aligned. Rick was not building anything at SLU, rather doing it with band aides and a very high basketball/coaching IQ.
All that said, I do hope someday Wojo is compared to Rick in regards to coaching success.
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Not aiming this at anyone in particular...
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TAMU
Why are you young guys so fxxk'in literal. My point I was would have taken Rick's last SLU Feb/March over our season. Who in the right fxxk'in would think ANYONE would want anything to do with SLU? I have said 1000 times on year on how I do not want MU to become SLU.
For the record, SLU has sucked for the majority of their history, more years than not Rick called it in early and did not care and for three months the stars aligned. Rick was not building anything at SLU, rather doing it with band aides and a very high basketball/coaching IQ.
All that said, I do hope someday Wojo is compared to Rick in regards to coaching success.
Maybe because you said multiple times that you would take Rick's SLU over Wojo's Marquette? If you had just said Rick over Wojo, people would have understood better and agreed. Of course that's not an apples to apples comparison. You are comparing someone in their first three years of head coaching to someone who had a lifetime of head coaching experience.
Better question might of been who had a better first three years, Wojo or Rick? Rick had three straight years of NIT. Wojo had two no postseason and what looks like 1 NCAA. NIT was definitely more prestigious in Rick's time but my assumption is that he had a better starting point than Wojo coming off two straight NCAAs and 17 straight years of postseason basketball. Personally, think its impossible to accurately compare the two.
All I really know is that its too early too declare Wojo a success or a failure at this point. But all the signs I see are pointing towards success.
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TAMU
Too early on Wojo to call it either way and I think too early to take a guess. I think next year is going to be a major challenge. Losing 3 of top 8 will not be easy to replace. IMO, next year is when we will know if Wojo can hack it or not.
For the record, there are folks on here that truly do not know better but I know you do know better. You know my expectations of the program and who could seriously think I would want anything to do with SLU comparison.
As for Rick vs Wojo early comparisons, but very big underachievers by my standards. I would say Rick was a much bigger disappointment, and that is coming from a guy who loved Rick. Wojo gets the edge also in recruiting by wide margin, due to HE and Howard. Rick lost his HE and Wojo landed his. That is one thing that gives me real optimism. Guys that can recruit always win.
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Why would you take Rick's SLU over Wojo's Marquette? SLU was a house of cards being held together by a great coach. It immediately fell to the bottom third of D1 as soon as Rick moved on. Marquette is still a top 25 program that is getting stronger every year under a green coach. If Wojo were to leave, it would still be a top program.
Its not like SLU was even that impressive on the court. They had one good year under Rick where they went 26-8 in the A10, earned a 9 seed and made the Round of 32. Now for SLU that was amazing, but again, I would much rather have Marquette's team this year than Rick's best SLU team. Not to mention, that year took place in Rick's 5th season in St. Louis. In his 4th season, he went 12-19. Scoop would have run Rick out of town before he even got that great season!
Now if you are you saying you would rather have Rick Majerus at his prime for a coach than the current version of Wojo, I would agree with you. But I would never want Marquette to resemble SLU's program in any way, shape, or form.
I'm not sure if Rick's first three years as a head coach were any better than Wojo's were. Hard to compare the two since college basketball is so wildly different now.
This is pretty much exactly what I meant. But you wrote it much better, and I didn't have time to dive into it today. Well done, as usual, TAMU.
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TAMU
Too early on Wojo to call it either way and I think too early to take a guess. I think next year is going to be a major challenge. Losing 3 of top 8 will not be easy to replace. IMO, next year is when we will know if Wojo can hack it or not.
For the record, there are folks on here that truly do not know better but I know you do know better. You know my expectations of the program and who could seriously think I would want anything to do with SLU comparison.
As for Rick vs Wojo early comparisons, but very big underachievers by my standards. I would say Rick was a much bigger disappointment, and that is coming from a guy who loved Rick. Wojo gets the edge also in recruiting by wide margin, due to HE and Howard. Rick lost his HE and Wojo landed his. That is one thing that gives me real optimism. Guys that can recruit always win.
See, I think next year it's clear that we're better. Froling/John can replace Luke, especially if we're replicating the style we're currently playing. JJ? It's tough to replace the guy who's locked in, but the guy who doesn't care half the games? Some combo of Jamal, Duane, (Greg Elliot) make him replaceable.
Honestly, the toughest guy to replace is KR in my opinion. I know his shooting numbers are low but he's the only guy of the three that seems to be a leader. But I think Sam, Markus and Rowsey will be effective leaders next year.
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Eagle
I am not saying it is impossible to replace those three guys. I am saying next year should tell a ton about Wojo the coach. At this point, I think it can go either way and time will tell.
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Yeah, screw geography.....
You would be hard-pressed to get anyone from the actual South to agree that Missouri is a southern state. As I recall, it was a little controversial when they got admitted to the SEFC.
Not really sure what this thread is about anymore, but thought I'd throw these links in on this point:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/which-states-are-in-the-south/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/what-states-are-in-the-midwest/
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I'm kind of curious about this team against the 09-10 midgets team. Buzz is lauded for doing a great coaching job just to get that team in the tournament. That team had an NBA All-Star, First round pick, Buycks, and DJO who got a sniff of the NBA. Granted they've had a lot of improvement post-MU, but that's a lot of talent.
They didn't shoot quite as well as this team, and were smaller. However, they had two senior guards leading the way and Lazar.
They lost a lot of heartbreakers and big leads, especially earlier in the year. I'd say the Big East was tougher, but also had more bad teams.
I just think Wojo isn't getting enough credit for taking an obviously flawed team, and getting it to play good basketball at the end of the year. Granted, it's debateable whether our defense is scheme or personnel (I lean towards scheme). However, Buzz gets a lot of credit for a great coaching job, and I think Wojo's team is comparable to that team.
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Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Sources told ESPN that LSU intends to pursue some “big names.” Not sure if the Tigers can land them, but worth a try.
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Not really sure what this thread is about anymore, but thought I'd throw these links in on this point:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/which-states-are-in-the-south/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/what-states-are-in-the-midwest/
Thanks. Just another Scoop thread taken over by Wojo arguments. Coaching Carousel with nice coaching changes discussions to SLU/Majerus/now Buzz....jeez.
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Sources told ESPN that LSU intends to pursue some “big names.” Not sure if the Tigers can land them, but worth a try.
Bo Derek to LSU
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the first part of Majerus' first season he'd come into the coaching huddle during a time out almost in a panic say "What do I tell them?" Like he had never been in a huddle with a veteran coach.
He got better over the next few years but I think working with Don Nelson and the Bucks really helped.
from the outside, I never got the impression Wojo was in a position of not knowing what to tell the team.
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the first part of Majerus' first season he'd come into the coaching huddle during a time out almost in a panic say "What do I tell them?" Like he had never been in a huddle with a veteran coach.
He got better over the next few years but I think working with Don Nelson and the Bucks really helped.
from the outside, I never got the impression Wojo was in a position of not knowing what to tell the team.
Wat? The huddles they show on TV only show him hoarsely shouting benign coaching cliches. Saying that any other MU coach was worst in the huddle than Wojo is pure Scoop blasphemy!
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Crean to media
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Old warrior
You partially correct. Working with Nelson did wonders for Rick, but never did he not know to control a huddle. That is one advantage young Rick had over Wojo in spades.
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I stood a feet away from Rick in the coaches huddle.
Believe me when I say early on he really was anything but in complete control. He leaned quite a bit on assistant coach Bob Voight in the huddle.
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I stood a feet away from Rick in the coaches huddle.
Believe me when I say early on he really was anything but in complete control. He leaned quite a bit on assistant coach Bob Voight in the huddle.
You're ruining the narrative
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*NM
Pic not linking correctly.
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And Mr. Groce at Illinois is done........
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Hearing from some of my Vegas people that Cuonzo Martin isn't thrilled with Cal and is interested in the Mizzou job...(?)
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Hearing from some of my Vegas people that Cuonzo Martin isn't thrilled with Cal and is interested in the Mizzou job...(?)
Sounds like Martin isn't really happy anywhere. I was enthused about the idea of him when we had an opening, but starting to seem like we dodged a bullet.
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Hearing from some of my Vegas people that Cuonzo Martin isn't thrilled with Cal and is interested in the Mizzou job...(?)
Martin to Mizzou appears to be a done deal.
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This is very much speculative, but hearing that Illinois may have a deal with Tony Bennett for just under $5 million a year. I would be surprised if true, but that is a lot of money.
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This is very much speculative, but hearing that Illinois may have a deal with Tony Bennett for just under $5 million a year. I would be surprised if true, but that is a lot of money.
Surprised they have that kind of money to dish out.
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https://twitter.com/sipetethamel/status/842108937738559490
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I'm glad we didn't end up with Cuonzo Martin. He had BOLT written all over him. We hit a home run with Wojo that offseason.
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https://twitter.com/sipetethamel/status/842108937738559490
Talk about failing upwards.
Nine seasons, two NCAA appearances, two NCAA wins = $3 million salary.
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If Tony Bennett goes to Illinois for $ 5 million per year , Wojo could probably convince UVA to give him at least 3 million for 5 years.
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If Tony Bennett goes to Illinois for $ 5 million per year , Wojo could probably convince UVA to give him at least 3 million for 5 years.
Everybody agrees.
Now let's discuss this never again.
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If Tony Bennett goes to Illinois for $ 5 million per year , Wojo could probably convince UVA to give him at least 3 million for 5 years.
Shut the unnatural carnal knowledge up
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If Tony Bennett goes to Illinois for $ 5 million per year , Wojo could probably convince UVA to give him at least 3 million for 5 years.
What?
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If Tony Bennett goes to Illinois for $ 5 million per year , Wojo could probably convince UVA to give him at least 3 million for 5 years.
I'll take that bet
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Why would Bennett leave UVA for Illinois when Barry couldn't get him to Wisconsin?
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I'm glad we didn't end up with Cuonzo Martin. He had BOLT written all over him. We hit a home run with Wojo that offseason.
I'm not necessarily convinced that he would have left Marquette immediately. Bad fit at Cal.
But Wojo is a better fit here anyway.
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If Tony Bennett goes to Illinois for $ 5 million per year , Wojo could probably convince UVA to give him at least 3 million for 5 years.
Please stop this nonsense.
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I'm not necessarily convinced that he would have left Marquette immediately. Bad fit at Cal.
But Wojo is a better fit here anyway.
Some Posters are a bad fit for this site.
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Why would Bennett leave UVA for Illinois when Barry couldn't get him to Wisconsin?
Cheddar. Clams. Bones. Dead presidents.
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Cheddar. Clams. Bones. Dead presidents.
That and Gard was fait accompli at UW anyway, no? It's what Bo wanted and Bo got...even with all his off-court problems.
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Lorenzo Romar out at Washington.
So, Wojo's got scholie open for Michael Porter, right?
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Lorenzo Romar out at Washington.
So, Wojo's got scholie open for Michael Porter, right?
Michael Porter Sr can be top assistant, pay the man, get his son here.
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Martin to Mizzou appears to be a done deal.
Heard he got $21M over seven years and he turned down Illinois. They only offered $18M for seven years.
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Heard he got $21M over seven years and he turned down Illinois. They only offered $18M for seven years.
That is good coin for Cuonzo. That helps everyone that he sets the baseline that high . Now we need to know what will happen with Archie Miller. Calipari says Archie is the man.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/kentucky-john-calipari-dayton-archie-miller-were-hiring-basketball-coach-that-who-hire/gaeRcWfNUHhQAg6IMgGoVO/
Archie can get big money which should help our cause .
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Cuonzo scooped up Michael Porter Sr in like literally 20 minutes...hilarious.
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That is good coin for Cuonzo. That helps everyone that he sets the baseline that high . Now we need to know what will happen with Archie Miller. Calipari says Archie is the man.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/kentucky-john-calipari-dayton-archie-miller-were-hiring-basketball-coach-that-who-hire/gaeRcWfNUHhQAg6IMgGoVO/
Archie can get big money which should help our cause .
What cause?
The only cause I care about is winning Friday's game.
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That is good coin for Cuonzo. That helps everyone that he sets the baseline that high . Now we need to know what will happen with Archie Miller. Calipari says Archie is the man.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/kentucky-john-calipari-dayton-archie-miller-were-hiring-basketball-coach-that-who-hire/gaeRcWfNUHhQAg6IMgGoVO/
Archie can get big money which should help our cause .
How does that help "our" cause?
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What cause?
The only cause I care about is winning Friday's game.
This thread is about the coaching carousel. Please refer to the regularly scheduled programming for insights and analysis on our big upcoming win on Friday.
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Heard he got $21M over seven years and he turned down Illinois. They only offered $18M for seven years.
And that's candidate #1 to turn down Illinois. Can they top the 5 that said no last time?
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And that's candidate #1 to turn down Illinois. Can they top the 5 that said no last time?
That fanbase is unreal..they don't believe Cuonzo was actually ever offered for one thing, and for another, they think they can get any coach they want.
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Cuonzo Martin a former name in play at Marquette. He has done well multiple times with 3 year turnaround projects. Good hire. Question is longer term when expectations get raised, will he meet them? I think he can. Lots of $ and resources at Mizzou compared to some other places. Michael Porter Senior the former Mizzou women's assistant.....Michael Porter Jr is obviously elite, and his little brother is a good player too. Interesting to see down the road how this affects Marquette grad Jon Harris the SIUE head coach. Also interesting regarding Jeremiah Tilmon, the U of Illinois commit from East St. Louis, Martin's hometown, and a guy close to some of the SLU commits. Martin will recruit.
As for Wojo, Majerus etc...Wojo is Marquette's coach and he is doing well. Enjoy it. Majerus did well at SLU and if not for health problems would have rolled there a long time. And coaches that coach and choose to leave? Crean, Buzz etc...appreciated their contributions to Marquette, no animosity, just indifference. That's all.
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Any of those people chanting for Martin over Wojo a few years ago care to chime in on their feelings now?
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This thread is about the coaching carousel. Please refer to the regularly scheduled programming for insights and analysis on our big upcoming win on Friday.
Which doesn't answer the question.
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What did you consider to be 'our' cause? And who are you referring to when you say 'our'?
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What did you consider to be 'our' cause? And who are you referring to when you say 'our'?
Stan, MUFNY, JJJ... etc. Maybe even Magic Dawson, Deonte Burton and others.
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I want him to be specific so that there is no doubt about what he is trying to promote.
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And that's candidate #1 to turn down Illinois. Can they top the 5 that said no last time?
#2. Monty Williams already turned them down. On to #3.
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Lorenzo Romar out at Washington.
So, Wojo's got scholie open for Michael Porter, right?
Didn't one of our posters recently assure us that Romar was safe?
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Didn't one of our posters recently assure us that Romar was safe?
Just more hubris on his part. (Sorry Jes84, the line is too good)
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This is very much speculative, but hearing that Illinois may have a deal with Tony Bennett for just under $5 million a year. I would be surprised if true, but that is a lot of money.
As an Illinois taxpayer, I hope to hell this isn't true. State universities in Illinois can't even pay its regular bills right now. Some of them are laying off all non-essential staff over Spring Break to save money.
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I want him to be specific so that there is no doubt about what he is trying to promote.
He is promoting his troll job that he's been doing here for the past 4 years.
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How does that help "our" cause?
He has been pretty obvious that his cause is having a coach other than Wojo.
Or maybe Gus forgot what team's board he was posting on.
Either way, he won't answer.
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This thread is about the coaching carousel. Please refer to the regularly scheduled programming for insights and analysis on our big upcoming win on Friday.
Again, what cause?
And who is "our"?
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#2. Monty Williams already turned them down. On to #3.
Just a really weird play by U of I in my opinion, and probably indicative of how they think of themselves. A relatively young NBA assistant, less than 2 seasons removed from a HC job with no ties to the program, or the area for that matter.
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Any of those people chanting for Martin over Wojo a few years ago care to chime in on their feelings now?
I was on board with Martin. After Smart said no, he was my pick. Good recruiter, coming off one of those "I'll show you" to the fanbase runs in the tournament at UT. Seemed like a good guy and good coach.
I think he would've been okay here, but I think more than wanting Marquette, he wanted out of Rocky Top. Not saying we dodged a bullet, but I'm happy with how it worked out.
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I was on board with Martin. After Smart said no, he was my pick. Good recruiter, coming off one of those "I'll show you" to the fanbase runs in the tournament at UT. Seemed like a good guy and good coach.
I think he would've been okay here, but I think more than wanting Marquette, he wanted out of Rocky Top. Not saying we dodged a bullet, but I'm happy with how it worked out.
Cords told me that he perceived it the way you did. In that Cuonzo was running from something and not to something.
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Cords told me that he perceived it the way you did. In that Cuonzo was running from something and not to something.
What cause? Who is "our"?
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#2. Monty Williams already turned them down. On to #3.
Also...didn't miss this, absolutely hilarious. And now they want to make a run at Tony Bennett? Absolutely delusional.
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I understand why Illinois got rid of Bruce Weber. Once he ran out of Self's recruits, he just didn't do much at Illinois. And despite this year's success, he hasn't done much at Kansas State either.
But as I said when it surfaced earlier, the Monty Williams thing was strange. It's the basketball version of the Lovie Smith hire which isn't going to pan out either. And Bennett isn't going there either.
If I were Illinois I would reach out to Marshall. He has likely topped out at Wichita and might be finally looking to make that jump and Illinois IMO would be a good fit.
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I understand why Illinois got rid of Bruce Weber. Once he ran out of Self's recruits, he just didn't do much at Illinois. And despite this year's success, he hasn't done much at Kansas State either.
But as I said when it surfaced earlier, the Monty Williams thing was strange. It's the basketball version of the Lovie Smith hire which isn't going to pan out either. And Bennett isn't going there either.
If I were Illinois I would reach out to Marshall. He has likely topped out at Wichita and might be finally looking to make that jump and Illinois IMO would be a good fit.
While Lovie was an odd hire, there was at least his obvious connection to Chicago and the presumed thinking that his name recognition would get some talent to travel down 57 to Champaign. I'm not sure where Monty Williams came from to be their top choice.
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I'm not buying the Cuonzo turning down Illinois story, it doesn't really add up.
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I understand why Illinois got rid of Bruce Weber. Once he ran out of Self's recruits, he just didn't do much at Illinois. And despite this year's success, he hasn't done much at Kansas State either.
But as I said when it surfaced earlier, the Monty Williams thing was strange. It's the basketball version of the Lovie Smith hire which isn't going to pan out either. And Bennett isn't going there either.
If I were Illinois I would reach out to Marshall. He has likely topped out at Wichita and might be finally looking to make that jump and Illinois IMO would be a good fit.
If you're running a coaching search aren't you supposed to reach out to best candidates you can come up with?
For all the talk of Illinois, Indiana, and other fanbases being delusional...when the Marquette job was open a lot of people on this board thought Bennett was interested and Shaka actually accepted the job. An outsider's perspective would probably call that delusional.
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I'm not buying the Cuonzo turning down Illinois story, it doesn't really add up.
If they offered him less money than Mizzou (which is what has been reported), sure it adds up.
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If you're running a coaching search aren't you supposed to reach out to best candidates you can come up with?
For all the talk of Illinois, Indiana, and other fanbases being delusional...when the Marquette job was open a lot of people on this board thought Bennett was interested and Shaka actually accepted the job. An outsider's perspective would probably call that delusional.
I don't have a problem with them reaching out to who they think are the best candidates. I just don't understand the Monty Williams thing.
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If they offered him less money than Mizzou (which is what has been reported), sure it adds up.
I doubt he's Illinois' top candidate (I'm sure many of their top choices are still playing), Illinois is a much better job than Mizzou, and if the difference was an extra year on the contract I'm sure Illinois would have made it happen, and there is clearly an incentive for Mizzou to pretend like they beat out a big rival for a coaching target.
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I don't have a problem with them reaching out to who they think are the best candidates. I just don't understand the Monty Williams thing.
I think it's a Collangelo-USA basketball thing and he's usually pretty involved in their searches.
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For all the talk of Illinois, Indiana, and other fanbases being delusional...when the Marquette job was open a lot of people on this board thought Bennett was interested and Shaka actually accepted the job. An outsider's perspective would probably call that delusional.
I don't think Bennett had interest when Buzz left, our timing was really unfortunate with Bennett. Smart was definitely the top target in 2014. After Smart's deal was undone, we turned our attention to Martin and Wojo. One nailed the interview, one didn't.
Contrast that to Illinois hiring their sixth option last time and already moving on to the third option now, I think it's safe to say neither their fanbase nor administration is particularly realistic.
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After Self left, Illinois could have had either Matta or Altman.
They hired Weber, and he obviously did well with Self's recruits, but he petered out when they left and Illinois has been reeling ever since.
Groce was more Dukiet than Matta/Altman.
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After Self left, Illinois could have had either Matta or Altman.
They hired Weber, and he obviously did well with Self's recruits, but he petered out when they left and Illinois has been reeling ever since.
Groce was more Dukiet than Matta/Altman.
Altman was this close to taking the Illinois job, but ultimately turned them down.
They could have had Matta, but people tend to overlook how good of a coaching candidate Weber was at that time. He had a great run as an assistant and recruiter for Keady at Purdue and then built one of the better mid-major programs in the country at Southern Illinois. Hindsight is always 20/20, but at the time there was little reason to question his hire by the Illini.
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If you're running a coaching search aren't you supposed to reach out to best candidates you can come up with?
For all the talk of Illinois, Indiana, and other fanbases being delusional...when the Marquette job was open a lot of people on this board thought Bennett was interested and Shaka actually accepted the job. An outsider's perspective would probably call that delusional.
One of those two things was delusional. The other was possible but unfortunately incorrect.
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Crean fired.
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Altman was this close to taking the Illinois job, but ultimately turned them down.
They could have had Matta, but people tend to overlook how good of a coaching candidate Weber was at that time. He had a great run as an assistant and recruiter for Keady at Purdue and then built one of the better mid-major programs in the country at Southern Illinois. Hindsight is always 20/20, but at the time there was little reason to question his hire by the Illini.
Probably true about Matta.
I didn't remember Altman having turned them down, so that's probably true, too.
Having reached my 106th birthday, sometimes my mind gets a little fuzzy!
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Going to throw Steve Forbes from East Tennessee St.'s name out there, not for any specific job, but would be a quality hire for the right school. Has a pretty good record as a head coach.
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Going to throw Steve Forbes from East Tennessee St.'s name out there, not for any specific job, but would be a quality hire for the right school. Has a pretty good record as a head coach.
Plus, he's already a multi-billionaire so probably won't need to pay him!
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Plus, he's already a multi-billionaire so probably won't need to pay him!
:)
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One of those two things was delusional. The other was possible but unfortunately incorrect.
What exactly was unfortunate?
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What exactly was unfortunate?
The last minute change of heart by Smart.
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What exactly was unfortunate?
Fair question given the results at Texas.
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Fair question given the results at Texas.
Like most others, I was bummed when Shaka said no. Like Marquette, I quickly moved on and bought into Wojo. He's our coach, Shaka isn't, and he has outperformed Shaka. Boom!
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Kevin Keats from UNC-W to take over NC State.
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Kevin Keats from UNC-W to take over NC State.
Dayton fans and co. breathe a sigh of relief.
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Kevin Keats from UNC-W to take over NC State.
That's a no brainer. If Marquette was looking for a coach this year, he would be at the top of my list... Luckily they aren't!
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Kevin Keats from UNC-W to take over NC State.
I have to think NC State got feedback that Archie wasn't coming. Keatts is a fine candidate, but no way they don't go for the high profile alum if they think they can get him.
That this was announced the day after Indiana opened up might not be coincidence...
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Dayton fans and co. breathe a sigh of relief.
For now.
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That's a no brainer. If Marquette was looking for a coach this year, he would be at the top of my list... Luckily they aren't!
I might put Danny Hurley above him.
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I think John Becker of Vermont will get some looks — if not this season, very soon. He just led the Catamounts to their 6th straight 20-win season and 2nd NCAA appearance. This was his best team yet (ranked #63 by KenPom). They gave Purdue a game, playing smart and tough on both ends. And 3 of his best 4 players should be returning next year.
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I might put Danny Hurley above him.
i was just looking at him. who wouldn't want to go after a hurley? i know bobby is struggling a little at asu, but i still like my chances-that whole family bleeds hoops and competition
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/tracking-college-basketball-coaching-changes-illinois-stuns-by-taking-brad-underwood-from-oklahoma-state/
CBS is pimping their own Doug Gottlieb for Ok State job.
Oklahoma State Cowboys
Out: Brad Underwood
Underwood will replace John Groce at Illinois. Now Oklahoma State finds itself looking for a coach much, much sooner than expected. CBS Sports’ Doug Gottlieb, who played at Oklahoma State, could be a prominent candidate. A faction of the fan base will want him to take the job.
Chances that Gottlieb asked Norlander to float his name? I'd say pretty high.
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CBS is pimping their own Doug Gottlieb for Ok State job.
I'm ok with that. Means I wouldn't have to hear his ignorant opinions on TV!
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Gottlieb shows his lack of knowledge and contempt for humanity every day. Would be perfect for IU. They're used to it.
Seriously, letting a talking head coach would be awesome.
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Syracuse coach-in-waiting Mike Hopkins leaves for Washington.
Didn't they put it in writing that he'd have the job after next year? I wonder if he started to doubt Boeheim would actually leave after next year, or if he didn't want to follow a legend.
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I think John Becker of Vermont will get some looks — if not this season, very soon. He just led the Catamounts to their 6th straight 20-win season and 2nd NCAA appearance. This was his best team yet (ranked #63 by KenPom). They gave Purdue a game, playing smart and tough on both ends. And 3 of his best 4 players should be returning next year.
This school is turning into a Scoop meme now..... According to today's New Haven Register, supposedly he's the person Quinnipiac is targeting to be their next head coach after firing former UConn assistant Tom Moore.
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/tracking-college-basketball-coaching-changes-illinois-stuns-by-taking-brad-underwood-from-oklahoma-state/
CBS is pimping their own Doug Gottlieb for Ok State job.
Oklahoma State Cowboys
Out: Brad Underwood
Underwood will replace John Groce at Illinois. Now Oklahoma State finds itself looking for a coach much, much sooner than expected. CBS Sports’ Doug Gottlieb, who played at Oklahoma State, could be a prominent candidate. A faction of the fan base will want him to take the job.
Chances that Gottlieb asked Norlander to float his name? I'd say pretty high.
Gottlieb isn't with CBS anymore fwiw.
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Syracuse coach-in-waiting Mike Hopkins leaves for Washington.
Didn't they put it in writing that he'd have the job after next year? I wonder if he started to doubt Boeheim would actually leave after next year, or if he didn't want to follow a legend.
Or, perhaps, he figures that Cuse may have made a mistake in moving to the ACC.
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Gottlieb isn't with CBS anymore fwiw.
He is currently with CBS radio.
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Gottlieb isn't with CBS anymore fwiw.
.....the article literally says "CBS Sports’ Doug Gottlieb"
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Syracuse coach-in-waiting Mike Hopkins leaves for Washington.
Didn't they put it in writing that he'd have the job after next year? I wonder if he started to doubt Boeheim would actually leave after next year, or if he didn't want to follow a legend.
Or he can make mad money at Washington for a year and still get hired by Cuse if he wants it.
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Or he can make mad money at Washington for a year and still get hired by Cuse if he wants it.
See Brad Underwood... ;). Realistically, though, I suspect his contract might prevent that.
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Syracuse coach-in-waiting Mike Hopkins leaves for Washington.
Didn't they put it in writing that he'd have the job after next year? I wonder if he started to doubt Boeheim would actually leave after next year, or if he didn't want to follow a legend.
He could also write in a clause that allows him to leave for a specific gig. Don't know if it's ever done in college sports, but it could be done.
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He could also write in a clause that allows him to leave for a specific gig. Don't know if it's ever done in college sports, but it could be done.
Lou Holtz had an out clause for Notre Dame when he was coaching at Minnesota.
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I missed the initial announcement a week ago, but was interested to read that LSU fired head coach Johnny Jones — just one season after having the #1 pick in the NBA draft in Ben Simmons. They really went into free-fall, finishing 10-21 and winning just 2 games in the SEC.
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I missed the initial announcement a week ago, but was interested to read that LSU fired head coach Johnny Jones — just one season after having the #1 pick in the NBA draft in Ben Simmons. They really went into free-fall, finishing 10-21 and winning just 2 games in the SEC.
Wojo > Johnny Jones
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I missed the initial announcement a week ago, but was interested to read that LSU fired head coach Johnny Jones — just one season after having the #1 pick in the NBA draft in Ben Simmons. They really went into free-fall, finishing 10-21 and winning just 2 games in the SEC.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18952825/vcu-rams-head-coach-wade-frontrunner-lsu-tigers-heading-coach-spot
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Oklahoma State's first call has to be to Buzz right?
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"LSU, via a third party, has contacted Tom Crean to gauge his possible interest in coaching the Tigers, a source told CBS Sports."
https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/843589115128020992
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"LSU, via a third party, has contacted Tom Crean to gauge his possible interest in coaching the Tigers, a source told CBS Sports."
https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/843589115128020992
Oh man, that Louisiana tan would be on point.
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Might be a good fit for Crean. Talent rich area, low expectations, in the shadow of a football program. Deliver a bid half the time and you're probably safe.
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Musta reely impressed da locals wen coached MU down der, hey?
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Hmm, LSU is in Maui next year. I hear Maui is a good place to get a tan. It all adds up!
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Boeheim gets an extension past next year...hmmmmmm...
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Boeheim gets an extension past next year...hmmmmmm...
Like the people questioning how there has been little action against UNC, I'd say the same for Syracuse. And Louisville, for that matter.
NCAA, as a authoritative system and in its attempt to hand out equal punishments to offenders, has failed miserably.
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If Crean is actually interested in schools like Illinois or LSU, I think he could have some trouble convincing them (and their fanbases) that he's actually excited about the opportunity. This is, after all, the same guy who exclaimed, "It's Indiana!" As if Bloomington was college basketball nirvana.
I'm not sure he'll be satisfied with any coaching job that's seen as a step down at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes the TV analyst/commentator route, like Steve Lavin after he was fired from UCLA.
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If Crean is actually interested in schools like Illinois or LSU, I think he could have some trouble convincing them (and their fanbases) that he's actually excited about the opportunity. This is, after all, the same guy who exclaimed, "It's Indiana!" As if Bloomington was college basketball nirvana.
I'm not sure he'll be satisfied with any coaching job that's seen as a step down at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes the TV analyst/commentator route, like Steve Lavin after he was fired from UCLA.
It would take a lot of hubris to expect an equivalent or better job after you have been fired for poor performance.
But then again, we are talking about Tom Crean.....
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I don't get all this TV analyst talk about Crean. What qualities does he possess that he'll add to a broadcast? Not that TV execs aren't hiring worthless on air talent, but man I can't see it.
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I don't get all this TV analyst talk about Crean. What qualities does he possess that he'll add to a broadcast? Not that TV execs aren't hiring worthless on air talent, but man I can't see it.
He's been on a few times and actually isn't bad at it.
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Who'd watch da sumbeech? Pissed off enoff folks ta tank da ratin's, hey?
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He's been on a few times and actually isn't bad at it.
Thanks. Hadn't seen that.
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Will Wade is leaving VCU for LSU
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/844006376066105344
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Will Wade is leaving VCU for LSU
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/844006376066105344
I have zero idea what people see in Will Wade. This is a classic case of a guy who jumps after he has had some success and put himself in good position.
Seriously look at his record and tell me what program he has built?
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I have zero idea what people see in Will Wade. This is a classic case of a guy who jumps after he has had some success and put himself in good position.
Seriously look at his record and tell me what program he has built?
It's been said about 4 consecutive coaches ago, but this may be the death knell for VCU.
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So Crean is down to FS2 as his job options?
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It's been said about 4 consecutive coaches ago, but this may be the death knell for VCU.
They'll probably get someone who will sneak into another tournament and then leave in 2-3 years. Biggest coach feeder program in the country right now.
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And Louisville, for that matter.
Louisville has FAR bigger problems than just their athletics. Keep an eye on that University as a whole. Some stuff is coming to the surface.
I have zero idea what people see in Will Wade. This is a classic case of a guy who jumps after he has had some success and put himself in good position.
Seriously look at his record and tell me what program he has built?
They see a guy who is 91-45 with 2 NCAA berths at age 34. Everyone wants to find the next precocious Bobby Knight (success in his early 30s, not the other assorted things). I agree with you and especially think that VCU played with a horribly low IQ this year.
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Crean to the rodents
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Louisville has FAR bigger problems than just their athletics. Keep an eye on that University as a whole. Some stuff is coming to the surface.
Por ejemplo?
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With Coaching positions filling left and right...IU is still vacant. Archie Miller is available and so is Greg Marshall..So their waiting leads you to believe their target is still coaching. Though Alford seems to be the consensus, I think the CBS article yesterday was right, and they could be waiting on Chris Mack and Chris Holtman to be done.
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The fact that it is so quiet out of IU leads me to believe that not only is their candidate still coaching, but that coach may already have agreed to come.
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Por ejemplo?
Mismanagement of their endowment and some financial shadiness and irregularities behind the scenes. They are being independently audited and it could be fairly bad.
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The fact that it is so quiet out of IU leads me to believe that not only is their candidate still coaching, but that coach may already have agreed to come.
Alford?
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Alford?
Could be. I don't know anything. But this much silence in a coaching search is odd. You want to name someone ASAP to deal with recruiting. Look what Illinois did.
And I don't think the AD should be sitting around and waiting for someone to be done before talking to him. Glass should have dozens of connections with Alford, Holtmann and Mack. Use them.
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Could be. I don't know anything. But this much silence in a coaching search is odd. You want to name someone ASAP to deal with recruiting. Look what Illinois did.
And I don't think the AD should be sitting around and waiting for someone to be done before talking to him. Glass should have dozens of connections with Alford, Holtmann and Mack. Use them.
Hopefully Alford. Hoping Holtmann and Mack stay put.
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NM
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The fact that it is so quiet out of IU leads me to believe that not only is their candidate still coaching, but that coach may already have agreed to come.
Dan Dakich said on Pardon My take yesterday that he's pretty confident it's Alford, not in a cocky It's Indiana Way but mostly due to how quiet it is.
Louisville has FAR bigger problems than just their athletics. Keep an eye on that University as a whole. Some stuff is coming to the surface.
Former player (and former Buck) Junior Bridgeman stepped down from their BOT in Feb. He is one of the most successful QSR & Fast Casual operators in the US and recently boought 2-3 Coca-Cola bottling companies. I would imagine he saw smoke.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2017/02/16/u-l-trustee-junior-bridgeman-resigns/98005532/ (http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2017/02/16/u-l-trustee-junior-bridgeman-resigns/98005532/)
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Wasn't the Yum! Center a financial disaster in its first year or two? Not sure if it's improved, but I do recall that causing financial issues.
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Rice's Mike Rhoades to VCU.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/vcu-expected-to-hire-rices-mike-rhoades-to-replace-former-coach-will-wade/
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Wasn't the Yum! Center a financial disaster in its first year or two? Not sure if it's improved, but I do recall that causing financial issues.
This is what he is referring to.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/12/15/state-audit-criticizes-university-louisvilles-relationship-foundation
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
UMass has hired Winthrop coach Pat Kelsey, sources told ESPN.
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If Crean is actually interested in schools like Illinois or LSU, I think he could have some trouble convincing them (and their fanbases) that he's actually excited about the opportunity. This is, after all, the same guy who exclaimed, "It's Indiana!" As if Bloomington was college basketball nirvana.
I'm not sure he'll be satisfied with any coaching job that's seen as a step down at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes the TV analyst/commentator route, like Steve Lavin after he was fired from UCLA.
At least if Crean went to illinois, he could keep the I 4 moniker.
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Alford?
Thinking alford is a lock for I 4.
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Thinking alford is a lock for I 4.
Took a peek at the IU boards this morning. None of them seem to want him.
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Dan Dakich said on Pardon My take yesterday that he's pretty confident it's Alford, not in a cocky It's Indiana Way but mostly due to how quiet it is.
Former player (and former Buck) Junior Bridgeman stepped down from their BOT in Feb. He is one of the most successful QSR & Fast Casual operators in the US and recently boought 2-3 Coca-Cola bottling companies. I would imagine he saw smoke.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2017/02/16/u-l-trustee-junior-bridgeman-resigns/98005532/ (http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2017/02/16/u-l-trustee-junior-bridgeman-resigns/98005532/)
Why would Alford go there? Right now they are a National championship contender and next season he has another great class coming in.
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Why would Alford go there? Right now they are a National championship contender and next season he has another great class coming in.
He is an Indiana guy, but yah, I totally agree.
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He is an Indiana guy, but yah, I totally agree.
I think if TJ Leaf returns for next season the could be a contender next season again. Weird, if i was him and was from indiana, I would stay at UCLA in a heartbeat. Considering how good the team will be and is already
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I think if TJ Leaf returns for next season the could be a contender next season again. Weird, if i was him and was from indiana, I would stay at UCLA in a heartbeat. Considering how good the team will be and is already
Ok that's the logical angle but imagine the emotional angle. If you were a good coach and Marquette was hurting bad wouldn't there be a huge emotional pull for you to bring us some glory?
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Ok that's the logical angle but imagine the emotional angle. If you were a good coach and Marquette was hurting bad wouldn't there be a huge emotional pull for you to bring us some glory?
Thats true, but i mean would he really want to have sort of rebuild, even though he already has success? I totally agree with you though
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Thats true, but i mean would he really want to have sort of rebuild, even though he already has success? I totally agree with you though
Buzz did it. He's a kook, though.
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Thats true, but i mean would he really want to have sort of rebuild, even though he already has success? I totally agree with you though
Alford won six games in conference last year. Was asked, and acquiesced, to give one year back on his contract to the University.
This season is outstanding but they are losing the key cog. Even with talented pieces returning it's not a foolproof situation in Westwood and Alford didn't exactly have March success as the head man of Iowa.
If I was hiring at Indiana, I'd steer clear of the emotions with Alford and look elsewhere.
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There's no "rebuild" needed at IU. Dozens of coaches could have them in the NCAA next season. The issue is when can you have them in the Final Four.
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Point is Alford at Indiana becomes a really easy job for him. The guy is a legend in the state and was the star on IUs last championship team. He knows most of the coaches in tge state as he played with or against many of them. His father, who has been one of his assistants, is just as well know as a HS coaching legend in the state.
At IU Alford could sign equally good classes as he could at UCLA.
Creans ultimate undoing at IU was his absolute inability to sign any instate talent, shutout in a veritable gold mine. Hoosier high school coaches deemed him a bad coach and a weirdo too.
There are 5 top 50 recruits from Indiana this year. That is like 5 Joey Hausers in Indiana this year and Crean signed zero. There are typically multi McDonalds all americans every year and many more top 50 -100 kids. Most grew up in Indiana gear, yet look at the rosters at michigan, notre dame, michigan state, xavier, virginia etc. they are pouring out of the state. HS and AAu coaches are telling their players not to go there.
Alford will get these kids, just as Knight did and as Crean did when he was new. In fact, the top recruit in Indiana is commited to UCLA. With talent like that his job gets much easier.
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Took a peek at the IU boards this morning. None of them seem to want him.
That was my experience the last couple of times the job was open. I assumed Indiana fans would lust for Alford, but I assumed wrong. I don't know if it was a majority who didn't want anything to do with him, but I was surprised by how many didn't want him.
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The fact that it is so quiet out of IU leads me to believe that not only is their candidate still coaching, but that coach may already have agreed to come.
Quite honestly, unless what you have is absolute crap, and I don't think Crean was absolute crap, you don't change coaches unless you have a pretty good idea of who you want and that the feeling is reciprocal. Crean did a good job for Indiana. Maybe not what they wanted, but unless you are certain you can do better you don't dump him.
And no, I am not a Crean lover by any stretch. Appreciate what he did for us and, but yeah. The guy is a slimy.
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That was my experience the last couple of times the job was open. I assumed Indiana fans would lust for Alford, but I assumed wrong. I don't know if it was a majority who didn't want anything to do with him, but I was surprised by how many didn't want him.
I think many are turned off by his handling of the Pierre Pierce saga, for good reason. Zero self-awareness from Alford for years until his controversial beginning post-hire at UCLA forced him and the AD to come out with written statements on the matter.
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And no, I am not a Crean lover by any stretch. Appreciate what he did for us and, but yeah. The guy is a slimy.
When it comes to slimy, Tom Crean is a poor man's Steve Alford.
Not sure why Alford would want to go back to IU. The expectations would be beyond unrealistic, and he's got himself a better gig right now at UCLA.
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I wonder if Steve Lavin will get the Cal job.
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There's no "rebuild" needed at IU. Dozens of coaches could have them in the NCAA next season. The issue is when can you have them in the Final Four.
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I wonder if Steve Lavin will get the Cal job.
If that means I never have to listen to him and his stupid metaphors calling a game ever again, please for the love of God Lav, take the job!
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There's no "rebuild" needed at IU. Dozens of coaches could have them in the NCAA next season. The issue is when can you have them in the Final Four.
Don't be so sure. If all or some combination of Bryant, Anunoby, and Blackmon leave, that's not a very good roster they have returning.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
UMass has hired Winthrop coach Pat Kelsey, sources told ESPN.
Thats a questionable choice in my opinion. Good way to kill a promising career dead at a place that eats up coaches since Cal. Even Travis Ford didn't make an NCAA before he got the OK St job.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18977048/doug-gottlieb-interview-oklahoma-state-cowboys-coaching-vacancy
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Villanova assistant is the frontrunner for the Quinnipiac job.
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0636273889713855382-4
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The fact that it is so quiet out of IU leads me to believe that not only is their candidate still coaching, but that coach may already have agreed to come.
Please, please be Gard.
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Villanova assistant is the frontrunner for the Quinnipiac job.
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0636273889713855382-4
I'm surprised that mighty Quinnipiac isn't after Jay Wright!
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Please, please be Gard.
Somebody would burn the Kohl Center to the ground. #steppingstone
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18977048/doug-gottlieb-interview-oklahoma-state-cowboys-coaching-vacancy
PLEASE! Get this douche off the air.
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Could be. I don't know anything. But this much silence in a coaching search is odd. You want to name someone ASAP to deal with recruiting. Look what Illinois did.
And I don't think the AD should be sitting around and waiting for someone to be done before talking to him. Glass should have dozens of connections with Alford, Holtmann and Mack. Use them.
How about Scott Drew returning home?
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Isiah Thomas is probably still waiting for a phone call. He still has time to ruin another basketball entity. The CBA, Toronto Raptors, Indiana Pacers, New York Knicks and Florida International Panthers will all give glowing recommendations!
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Alford won six games in conference last year. Was asked, and acquiesced, to give one year back on his contract to the University.
For those questioning why Alford would leave UCLA, this is also the answer. A really good season (but the kind both UCLA and Indiana expect every year) doesn't make up for having to give a year back on your contract and knowing that the boosters and admin smell blood in the water. I would guess that from that day, Alford was looking for his next move, regardless of the on-court record in the meantime. If Indiana offers, he's gone.
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Please, please be Gard.
Unfortunately, for Wisconsin bumblefacks, UW is a destination job.
Mouthbreathers of the midwest.
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Unfortunately, for Wisconsin bumblefacks, UW is a destination job.
I don't know if I would go that far. I think they have hired people who have a loyalty to the system. Which is smart.
When they don't in football I think we have all seen it is far from a destination job.
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PLEASE! Get this douche off the air.
Gottlieb just left CBS Sports for FS1.
I hope he does get the coaching job or we BigEast fans may be seeing a lot more of him in the future.
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Hearing here in LV:
Many from Mizzou wanted Crean as their next coach but they hired Cuonzo just prior to TC's firing.
Someone analyzed Romar versus Krystkowiak and ... over the period studied Lorenzo had seven NBA players versus two for Larry but Larry had the better record. They didn't give any specific details...
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I don't know if I would go that far. I think they have hired people who have a loyalty to the system. Which is smart.
When they don't in football I think we have all seen it is far from a destination job.
I would be curious how "loyal" Gard would be. I know he is from the area and is pretty comfortable. But he had an interim tag, all last season. Bo also used his father's death as a reason not to retire earlier, when really Bo probably was let go when all of his off court transgressions were coming to light. That can't look good. Also, your boss is the old football coach; the basketball program will always come second. Chryst makes twice as much as him right now.
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Gard won't move nor should he.
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Yeah Gard will be at UW for a long time as long as he is successful. Until he retires? He will have to deal with a new AD and who knows what jobs may interest him in a decade or so. We will see.
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Gard won't move nor should he.
not that i don't agree...but i think coaches realize how much of their fate depends on luck. if UW doesn't turn things around at the end of the season Gard is feeling the heat. my guess is that he already started to feel it pretty well this year, and the way things went down to get him into the position makes you feel like he really wasn't what barry wanted. so if i'm gard, and i have other offers...for multiple years and multiple millions...i might say wtf and go somewhere where i'm guaranteed more $$$, expectations are a bit more reasonable, and i know i'm the guy the university wanted (vs having the former head coach force me into the position). i think it's similar to what buzz was thinking.
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Gard wasn't feeling the heat this year.
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Kvetching on message boards during their slump is the extent of the heat I observed.
He'll be tested next year with the loss of his seniors, but will be given every opportunity to show he can do this with his own recruits. How many years do coaches get to prove themselves, again? :P
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Gard wasn't feeling the heat this year.
i think you always feel the heat when your in a position for which your AD and at least two high $$$ alum didn't ever really want you in.
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Could be. I don't know anything. But this much silence in a coaching search is odd. You want to name someone ASAP to deal with recruiting. Look what Illinois did.
And I don't think the AD should be sitting around and waiting for someone to be done before talking to him. Glass should have dozens of connections with Alford, Holtmann and Mack. Use them.
Tony Bennett.
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Tony Bennett has lost three players the last few days. I wonder if these players were just recruited over or if something is up in Charlottesville...(?)
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Tony Bennett.
Tony Bennett's season has been over for 5 days.
Tony Bennett has lost three players the last few days. I wonder if these players were just recruited over or if something is up in Charlottesville...(?)
Can't see him leaving for anything other than the NBA, of which he would not be doing right now.
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Tony Bennett's season has been over for 5 days.
Can't see him leaving for anything other than the NBA, of which he would not be doing right now.
Oh, so you're saying he has been negotiating a contract for the last 5 days. And 3 players just decided to leave town...
Got it 8-)
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Wow. Georgetown fired John Thompson 3! While he has underperformed this season I am surprised.
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Thats a questionable choice in my opinion. Good way to kill a promising career dead at a place that eats up coaches since Cal. Even Travis Ford didn't make an NCAA before he got the OK St job.
backed out.
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Several influential Georgetown backers lobbying for Cooley.
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backed out.
Yup. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18985647/pat-kelsey-backs-umass-minutemen-coach
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Several influential Georgetown backers lobbying for Cooley.
For Georgetown, this would be a great hire.
For the Big East, this would be terrible. The recent success of some of the old "have-nots" in the BE (Providence, Seton Hall) has been good for the conference as a whole. If PCs most successful coach since Pitino left for a "big name" conference rival it would further entrench the divisions between the "haves" and have-nots. Providence going back to its old Big East dumpster status would be bad for the conference as a whole.
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Didn't T-Cubed worship da Ewing teams, have w dreams 'bout G4, hey?
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Yup. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18985647/pat-kelsey-backs-umass-minutemen-coach
Watching Oregon tonight, I forgot that Altman took the Arkansas job before backing out and going back to Creighton after the press conference. He ended up going to Oregon a year or two later.
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How can conferences prohibit players from transferring between schools and allow coaches to do so with a straight face.
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Didn't T-Cubed worship da Ewing teams, have w dreams 'bout G4, hey?
"Going to Georgetown, Going to Georgetown!"?
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I would be curious how "loyal" Gard would be. I know he is from the area and is pretty comfortable. But he had an interim tag, all last season. Bo also used his father's death as a reason not to retire earlier, when really Bo probably was let go when all of his off court transgressions were coming to light. That can't look good. Also, your boss is the old football coach; the basketball program will always come second. Chryst makes twice as much as him right now.
Bo backed out of his retirement because Barry wouldn't hire Gard permanently. Basically he pulled what Dick Bennett did for Soderberg. The difference being Gard put himself in a position to get the job at the end of the year.
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With barely a whisper of Buzz drama: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18994792/oklahoma-state-hires-mike-boynton-jr-next-head-coach
and Cal: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18994286/wyking-jones-named-cal-golden-bears-head-coach
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Dayton's Archie Miller is in serious talks to become new coach at Indiana, sources tell @TheVertical.
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Dayton's Archie Miller is in serious talks to become new coach at Indiana, sources tell @TheVertical.
This one would make sense.
Kostas + McKinley 2 MU
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This one would make sense.
Kostas + McKinley 2 MU
I'm hearing Archie getting a 7 year deal.
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Dayton = steppin' stone, hey?
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Saw Mike Brey's name get thrown around for the Georgetown job. He has DC roots in that he grew up in the area and was assistant at DeMatha (which, for us Washingtonians, ew). Would be thrilled to see a Big East school pull away an ACC coach...and from Notre Dame no less!
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Yo Kostas, Yankee wants yo number, hey?
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'' I grew up listenin' ya dem Don Donoher coached teams on da Victrola wishin' I could be a Flyer. Da Wright bros. were my idols. Paxson and Chapman were tits. And, oh I was a huge Phil Donohue fan too, hey?"
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Would Crean be a fit at Dayton? Or would he look for something bigger and they go for an up-and-comer?
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Saw Mike Brey's name get thrown around for the Georgetown job. He has DC roots in that he grew up in the area and was assistant at DeMatha (which, for us Washingtonians, ew). Would be thrilled to see a Big East school pull away an ACC coach...and from Notre Dame no less!
But why would be leave for what would be considered at best a lateral move, but would really be a step down?
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Well he said he wants to coach at a program that can compete for a national chanpionship... So id say that disqualifies Dayton. Low major program
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But why would be leave for what would be considered at best a lateral move, but would really be a step down?
Going home, able to actually be in charge of the main program on campus, and does anyone really want to be at Notre Dame?
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Well he said he wants to coach at a program that can compete for a national chanpionship.So id say that disqualifies Dayton.
You could have said the same thing about Marquette in 1999.
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But why would be leave for what would be considered at best a lateral move, but would really be a step down?
Wants to get back into a real conference. His fellow hillbilly's aren't cutting it for his taste. His basketball television network is bleeding viewers. He wants to coach against the best. Wants to put his mark on the rebuild.
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Nope
As MU fired their coach largely to a comment about just that.
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But why would be leave for what would be considered at best a lateral move, but would really be a step down?
More turtleneck shops in DC....
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But why would be leave for what would be considered at best a lateral move, but would really be a step down?
Now that crean is gone recruiting Indiana just got harder
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Well he said he wants to coach at a program that can compete for a national chanpionship... So id say that disqualifies Dayton. Low major program
I'm not a Dayton fan, but it is NOT a low major program.
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But why would be leave for what would be considered at best a lateral move, but would really be a step down?
I wouldn't call it a step down. Lateral perhaps. But then like Brew said, the personal factors come into play. DC has its flaws but it's home for him and South Bend is a dumpster fire.
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I wouldn't call it a step down. Lateral perhaps. But then like Brew said, the personal factors come into play. DC has its flaws but it's home for him and South Bend is a dumpster fire.
And even if he won a NC in South Bend, most domers wouldn't find out until they logged back into their message boards when spring football starts....
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More turtleneck shops in DC....
Hicky coverin' attire, hey?
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Yo Kostas, Yankee wants yo number, hey?
Hope springs eternal. Lets make it happen.
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Hope springs eternal. Lets make it happen.
Why would he leave? He already did a RS year to become eligible to even play. If he leaves, he has to sit out another year. He would only have 3-years eligibility left then after his first minute of NCAA ball.
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Thoughts on Crean for Georgetown from their message board
http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/30220/next-georgetown-head-basketball-coach?q=crean
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Coaching decisions, so much like politics-da golden rule seems to apply. He/she who has the biggest bag of money, has the biggest megaphone. "Joe upper deck" can't be heard down on the floor. Starts with the ole sweater vests, eee'na?
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Well he said he wants to coach at a program that can compete for a national chanpionship... So id say that disqualifies Dayton. Low major program
Wish you were, at least, a low major poster.
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I'm not a Dayton fan, but it is NOT a low major program.
Not low major but it may be one of the most over inflated programs in all of college basketball and because of that they deserve to be called low major
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Friar Fans are getting very nervous....
http://www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/27/15075096/georgetown-hoyas-coaching-search-candidate-profile-ed-cooley
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Friar Fans are getting very nervous....
http://www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/27/15075096/georgetown-hoyas-coaching-search-candidate-profile-ed-cooley
What, in the linked article, suggests "nervousness" to you on the part of Providence fans?
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Not low major but it may be one of the most over inflated programs in all of college basketball and because of that they deserve to be called low major
What does that even mean?
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Bo backed out of his retirement because Barry wouldn't hire Gard permanently. Basically he pulled what Dick Bennett did for Soderberg. The difference being Gard put himself in a position to get the job at the end of the year.
That's not what happened...
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Not low major but it may be one of the most over inflated programs in all of college basketball and because of that they deserve to be called low major
So that must make Georgetown a low major too.
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I found this (laughable statement) on DBR:
I've also gotten credible information last night from someone close to the AD that the Hoyas talked to Tom Crean yesterday informally about the job, as well. That would be a mistake, IMO, but obviously I don't have a vote.
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I found this (laughable statement) on DBR:
I've also gotten credible information last night from someone close to the AD that the Hoyas talked to Tom Crean yesterday informally about the job, as well. That would be a mistake, IMO, but obviously I don't have a vote.
http://www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/27/15082402/georgetown-hoyas-coaching-candidate-tom-crean
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Friar Fans are getting very nervous....
http://www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/27/15075096/georgetown-hoyas-coaching-search-candidate-profile-ed-cooley
Or not...
http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20170327/kevin-mcnamara-ed-cooley-has-no-interest-in-leaving-providence
Does Georgetown even have a plan?
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Or not...
http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20170327/kevin-mcnamara-ed-cooley-has-no-interest-in-leaving-providence
Does Georgetown even have a plan?
I just saw that. Good news for the Friars.
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He's gonna stay as long as dey'll have him, ai na?
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http://www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/27/15082402/georgetown-hoyas-coaching-candidate-tom-crean
Crean = "tax-accountant-meets-serial-killer" ?! Not a bad description, not bad at all ...
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He's gonna stay as long as dey'll have him, ai na?
Cooley taking a page from the Lonesome Cowboy's rodeo book, yowsa.
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Dayton hires Anthony Grant. Might not be the worst move for them--had some success at VCU before fizzling at Alabama, which might mean it is more likely that he sticks around long term.
Oh, and he's an alum.
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Why does Ben Jacobson never show up on any potential hiring lists?
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Why does Ben Jacobson never show up on any potential hiring lists?
Good question. I was worried he'd go to UW and do very well.
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Good article on our erstwhile deposed former leader. LInk to TC podcast interview with JVG.
https://www.landof10.com/michigan/tom-crean-jim-harbaugh-coaching-podcast
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Why does Ben Jacobson never show up on any potential hiring lists?
Seems happy at UNI and the feelings seem to be mutual. Just signed today to extension thru 2027
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/unis-jacobson-gets-2-year-extension-20170330
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Seems happy at UNI and the feelings seem to be mutual. Just signed today to extension thru 2027
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/unis-jacobson-gets-2-year-extension-20170330
Neither the money nor competition/exposure will be there especially after Wichita State bails. But hey, if he's happy, that's all that matters.
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Neither the money nor competition/exposure will be there especially after Wichita State bails. But hey, if he's happy, that's all that matters.
Don't mess with happy
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Seems happy at UNI and the feelings seem to be mutual. Just signed today to extension thru 2027
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/unis-jacobson-gets-2-year-extension-20170330
I think its a combo of him turning down jobs in the past due to happiness at UNI, and then they had a pretty poor year this year, so he wasn't a hot mid major name at the moment.
Speaking of the MVC, surprised Dan Muller's name isn't popping up more for jobs.
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Anthony Grant lands at Dayton, apparently.
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Dropped in on a Georgetown discussion just now to see if they're getting anywhere in their search. They aren't, but there was this gem:
Relax, we're just waiting for the winner of the Final Four. And then we will swoop in and hire the national champion coach whether it be Mark Few, Roy Williams, Frank Martin or the Oregon guy. Stick with the "Process".
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He would definitely be a hair-raising hire...
(http://thenorthview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Tom-Crean.jpg)
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Seems happy at UNI and the feelings seem to be mutual. Just signed today to extension thru 2027
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/unis-jacobson-gets-2-year-extension-20170330
It's easy for me to say given that I don't have all of these options, but I also would be happy to stay at a place like UNI.
With the money in college basketball today, a coach does not need to go to a pressure-cooker situation to make more than he will need for his entire life. (And then some.) At UNI, you can win, you can succeed, you can help kids become men, all the things coaches say they want to do ... and you don't face ridiculous expectations.
There are always expectations, and any decent coach puts pressure on himself or herself regardless of the level. I will never get fired from my middle-school job, but I do put pressure on myself.
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Good PR for Coach Crean
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/hoosier-insider/2017/03/30/report-tom-crean-part-espn-final-four-coverage/99850022/
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It's easy for me to say given that I don't have all of these options, but I also would be happy to stay at a place like UNI.
With the money in college basketball today, a coach does not need to go to a pressure-cooker situation to make more than he will need for his entire life. (And then some.) At UNI, you can win, you can succeed, you can help kids become men, all the things coaches say they want to do ... and you don't face ridiculous expectations.
There are always expectations, and any decent coach puts pressure on himself or herself regardless of the level. I will never get fired from my middle-school job, but I do put pressure on myself.
So along with Indiana, MU is a pressure-cooker job; especially if the coach reads Scoop to be sure.
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So along with Indiana, MU is a pressure-cooker job; especially if the coach reads Scoop to be sure.
Can't imagine Scoop or anywhere outside of UNI would be too kind on him after they blew a 12 point lead w/ 35 seconds to go in NCAA round 2 last year
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Good question. I was worried he'd go to UW and do very well.
Nah, dat wood bee Gard, hey?
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Only 10 job openings remain: Akron, Alabama A&M, Chattanooga, Coppin State, Florida A&M, Furman, Grambling, Georgetown, LIU-Brooklyn, Portland State.
- Jeff Borzello
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Can't imagine Scoop or anywhere outside of UNI would be too kind on him after they blew a 12 point lead w/ 35 seconds to go in NCAA round 2 last year
Gig em Ags!
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Only 10 job openings remain: Akron, Alabama A&M, Chattanooga, Coppin State, Florida A&M, Furman, Grambling, Georgetown, LIU-Brooklyn, Portland State.
- Jeff Borzello
One of these things is not like the other...
You don't see a lot of ampersands these days.
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Georgetown put out strong feelers to Xavier's Chris Mack at $4 million per year, source told ESPN. Mack staying at Xavier. - Jeff Goodman
Damnit Georgetown, at least poach a coach from a different league, you asshats.
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Georgetown put out strong feelers to Xavier's Chris Mack at $4 million per year, source told ESPN. Mack staying at Xavier. - Jeff Goodman
Damnit Georgetown, at least poach a coach from a different league, you asshats.
Haha WTF were they thinking? Mack is from Cincy, he's an X grad, and he just took them to the E8. Obvious rejection, now they just look stupid.
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Georgetown put out strong feelers to Xavier's Chris Mack at $4 million per year, source told ESPN. Mack staying at Xavier. - Jeff Goodman
Damnit Georgetown, at least poach a coach from a different league, you asshats.
If this is true, it means a lot of things. First, the narrative from another thread about the ethnicity of the next coach is now obsolete. Second, Mack is a good coach who likes being at his alma mater. Third, Georgetown isn't making much progress. Fourth, I must concur that they are asshats for attempting to snag yet another coach from another league opponent. (Cooley)
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If GTown's not careful, only the needy will even answer their phones.
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If this is true, it means a lot of things. First, the narrative from another thread about the ethnicity of the next coach is now obsolete. Second, Mack is a good coach who likes being at his alma mater. Third, Georgetown isn't making much progress. Fourth, I mus concur that they are asshats for attempting to snag yet another coach from another league opponent. (Cooley)
Is Wojo next?
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This has been a very quiet search. I kind of hope Crean gets it. However, I think it would have happened by now. Although, they may be still shooting for the stars based on the Mack news. Granted, Casual Hoya isn't buying it and thinks it's just for a raise.
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If this is true, it means a lot of things. First, the narrative from another thread about the ethnicity of the next coach is now obsolete. Second, Mack is a good coach who likes being at his alma mater. Third, Georgetown isn't making much progress. Fourth, I mus concur that they are asshats for attempting to snag yet another coach from another league opponent. (Cooley)
I honestly think they are finding out that that job isn't what a lot of their fans/media think it is..They have been rejected now by...Brey, Smart, Mack, Hurley, Cooley and probably others that haven't been made public. They waited entirely too long to fire JTIII, that's the biggest problem here. I know their fans would hate it, but I can't see Amaker rejecting it if he was offered. I think they want a big fish, but are finding out that no one wants to deal with the spector of JTII looming over them. Still no idea why they don't offer it to Crean, he'd do great there. I'm just not sure if he's an east coast guy.
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Is Wojo next?
Now that would be interesting. Returning to the area of his youth. And while I know it was teal, if MU goes to the tourney next year, it will no longer be a joke.
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Now that would be interesting. Returning to the area of his youth. And while I know it was teal, if MU goes to the tourney next year, it will no longer be a joke.
Wojo is comfortable where he is at. He is building something. He is going nowhere anytime soon.
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I honestly think they are finding out that that job isn't what a lot of their fans/media think it is..They have been rejected now by...Brey, Smart, Mack, Hurley, Cooley and probably others that haven't been made public. They waited entirely too long to fire JTIII, that's the biggest problem here. I know their fans would hate it, but I can't see Amaker rejecting it if he was offered. I think they want a big fish, but are finding out that no one wants to deal with the spector of JTII looming over them. Still no idea why they don't offer it to Crean, he'd do great there. I'm just not sure if he's an east coast guy.
I don't think they would view Crean as an improvement over JTIII. If they end up settling for Crean, it is going to be a huge punch in the nads to Hoya nation.
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Wojo is comfortable where he is at. He is building something. He is going nowhere anytime soon.
I agree, with the exception of Duke. However, two straight tourney appearances will cause the feelers to start coming from other places.
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I honestly think they are finding out that that job isn't what a lot of their fans/media think it is..They have been rejected now by...Brey, Smart, Mack, Hurley, Cooley and probably others that haven't been made public. They waited entirely too long to fire JTIII, that's the biggest problem here. I know their fans would hate it, but I can't see Amaker rejecting it if he was offered. I think they want a big fish, but are finding out that no one wants to deal with the spector of JTII looming over them. Still no idea why they don't offer it to Crean, he'd do great there. I'm just not sure if he's an east coast guy.
Has it been reported that Hurley turned them down?
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I agree, with the exception of Duke. However, two straight tourney appearances will cause the feelers to start coming from other places.
Yah, the feelers will come, and he will stay put unless Duke comes calling (they won't).
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I've stopped thinking any coach out there won't ever leave except for one single job. Everybody has a price, and it's not always a monetary price.
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Has it been reported that Hurley turned them down?
I saw he got a 1 year extension in the last day or two. Not sure if that is definitive, but probably an indicator he isn't going.
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Has it been reported that Hurley turned them down?
It is speculated that he did, because his name was supposedly one mentioned and hurley just signed an extension yesterday i believe.
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I tink y'all are in da nile if ya believe Steve woodn't bee interested in utter gigs than Dook. Da coachin' landscape is fluid and changes yearly. Plus deez dudes all have egos beyond measurement. Dey can bee gowne if da proper hello is ant yelled der wey. And, of course, da door swings both weys, hey?
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It is speculated that he did, because his name was supposedly one mentioned and hurley just signed an extension yesterday i believe.
Gotcha. Missed that.
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I tink y'all are in da nile if ya believe Steve woodn't bee interested in utter gigs than Dook. Da coachin' landscape is fluid and changes yearly. Plus deez dudes all have egos beyond measurement. Dey can bee gowne if da proper hello is ant yelled der wey. And, of course, da door swings both weys, hey?
Kinda like you, am I right, or am I right?
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Wojo is comfortable where he is at. He is building something. He is going nowhere anytime soon.
If Stans name came up for Georgetown , it would be cause for concern. That would start a real feud .
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If Stans name came up for Georgetown , it would be cause for concern. That would start a real feud .
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If Stans name came up for Georgetown , it would be cause for concern. That would start a real feud .
Stan is nowhere near Georgetown's radar, I promise you.
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Stan is nowhere near Georgetown's radar, I promise you.
Thanks for the assurance . I can sleep better at night now .
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So where does JT III go?
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If Stans name came up for Georgetown , it would be cause for concern. That would start a real feud .
I read this and thought "somebody's trolling MUFNY". Then I saw who posted it...
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So where does JT III go?
He will tag team with Steve Lavin in the Fox Sports Studio.
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So where does JT III go?
He can come coach some defense at MU, ai'na?
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I have a great idea!! Georgetown should offer that 4 mill a year to Greg Gard!! MU wins that in a couple different ways. :P
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Plus deez dudes all have egos beyond measurement.
I don't think it even needs to be about their inflated egos--its largely just human nature. Most people are always open to improving their lot in life if presented with the opportunity--whether that's financially, emotionally, etc. Coaches are no different, especially in the early- to mid- portions of their careers. Who among us wouldn't take a job with better pay, resources, ability to succeed, especially if we are the ones being pursued?
Certainly, there comes a certain point in a career (and, sometimes, a certain type of person/coach) when they realize the grass might not be greener, and that there is a benefit to settling in where they are, even if it isn't a blueblood--Few, Wright, etc. Its finding that sweet spot of a coach that doesn't need to scratch that itch, but is good enough to not get canned, and hopefully realizes that there is potential for lots of long-term success at MU if they stick it out long enough.
Personally, I doubt that Wojo is that guy--something bigger or better will come along some day, even if it isn't Duke. That doesn't mean that I'll begrudge him that move when it happens, as I can't say I wouldn't do that myself if presented with the opportunity. In the meantime, I'll hope that he is successful enough at MU to get those calls, and that maybe the next coaching search we can land that guy that will stick around for a decade or more.
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What are all the schools not called Duke going to be thinking when they poach Wojo? "I hope he implements his slow-as-hell rebuilding process so we too can have a first-round exit 3 years in and no ability on the defensive end?"
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I honestly think they are finding out that that job isn't what a lot of their fans/media think it is..They have been rejected now by...Brey, Smart, Mack, Hurley, Cooley and probably others that haven't been made public. They waited entirely too long to fire JTIII, that's the biggest problem here. I know their fans would hate it, but I can't see Amaker rejecting it if he was offered. I think they want a big fish, but are finding out that no one wants to deal with the spector of JTII looming over them. Still no idea why they don't offer it to Crean, he'd do great there. I'm just not sure if he's an east coast guy.
I still think this ends with them hiring Amaker, but the packaging of the hire would have been a lot better if the search hadn't turned into something of a travesty. The Thompsons handing the reigns to an African American coach that has been very successful at Harvard, came of age in the Duke program, and has been around the block would have seemed a natural transition, and Amaker would have been able to hit the east coast recruiting trail right away if it looked like Gtown and the Thompsons were excited to have him.
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What are all the schools not called Duke going to be thinking when they poach Wojo? "I hope he implements his slow-as-hell rebuilding process so we too can have a first-round exit 3 years in and no ability on the defensive end?"
LOL I legit laughed but that's so unfair
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Wojo is comfortable where he is at. He is building something. He is going nowhere anytime soon.
Good grief really? How many times has that exact thing been posted on this board?
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Good grief really? How many times has that exact thing been posted on this board?
I have no idea. But I believe what I said. I don't think Wojo is going anywhere for at least a few seasons.
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Good research report on Crean.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/03/31/doyel-compassionate-tom-crean-not-cartoon-character-you-think-he/99863548/
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Good research report on Crean.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/03/31/doyel-compassionate-tom-crean-not-cartoon-character-you-think-he/99863548/
Way to upset the narrative around here. Listen, we all know Crean has a ceiling as a college basketball, but that is such a small part of who he is, or any other coach is for that matter. Basketball, sports in general, should be treated as a means to something more profound/meaningful. Sounds like Crean leveraged the sport and his elevated platform--at least to an extent--to make a substantive impact on other's lives for the better. I'll take that over a myopic coach who nets a few more wins. Of course, I'd prefer to have both!
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What are all the schools not called Duke going to be thinking when they poach Wojo? "I hope he implements his slow-as-hell rebuilding process so we too can have a first-round exit 3 years in and no ability on the defensive end?"
Yeah, I only wish he had been able to have a quick, 2-year rebuilding process like the coach at Texas has pulled off.
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I don't think it even needs to be about their inflated egos--its largely just human nature. Most people are always open to improving their lot in life if presented with the opportunity--whether that's financially, emotionally, etc. Coaches are no different, especially in the early- to mid- portions of their careers. Who among us wouldn't take a job with better pay, resources, ability to succeed, especially if we are the ones being pursued?
Certainly, there comes a certain point in a career (and, sometimes, a certain type of person/coach) when they realize the grass might not be greener, and that there is a benefit to settling in where they are, even if it isn't a blueblood--Few, Wright, etc. Its finding that sweet spot of a coach that doesn't need to scratch that itch, but is good enough to not get canned, and hopefully realizes that there is potential for lots of long-term success at MU if they stick it out long enough.
Personally, I doubt that Wojo is that guy--something bigger or better will come along some day, even if it isn't Duke. That doesn't mean that I'll begrudge him that move when it happens, as I can't say I wouldn't do that myself if presented with the opportunity. In the meantime, I'll hope that he is successful enough at MU to get those calls, and that maybe the next coaching search we can land that guy that will stick around for a decade or more.
Interesting slant, but Wojo stayed at Duke long after most of his cohort left. There are people who don't have a wanderlust, I think Wojo is one of those people, not unlike Al McGuire.
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Tom Crean has spent a great deal of his career at larger, public schools, in the Midwest. This seems to be his what he likes and prefers. It would be interesting if he moved to a different part of the country, and/or landed at a smaller private school again. I don't see it. But if it were by far his best opportunity to do so, I am sure he would.
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Crean was on PTI last night. They asked if he was interested in the Georgetown job. He replied that he didn't think Georgetown was interested in him.
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I don't think it even needs to be about their inflated egos--its largely just human nature. Most people are always open to improving their lot in life if presented with the opportunity--whether that's financially, emotionally, etc. Coaches are no different, especially in the early- to mid- portions of their careers. Who among us wouldn't take a job with better pay, resources, ability to succeed, especially if we are the ones being pursued?
Certainly, there comes a certain point in a career (and, sometimes, a certain type of person/coach) when they realize the grass might not be greener, and that there is a benefit to settling in where they are, even if it isn't a blueblood--Few, Wright, etc. Its finding that sweet spot of a coach that doesn't need to scratch that itch, but is good enough to not get canned, and hopefully realizes that there is potential for lots of long-term success at MU if they stick it out long enough.
Personally, I doubt that Wojo is that guy--something bigger or better will come along some day, even if it isn't Duke. That doesn't mean that I'll begrudge him that move when it happens, as I can't say I wouldn't do that myself if presented with the opportunity. In the meantime, I'll hope that he is successful enough at MU to get those calls, and that maybe the next coaching search we can land that guy that will stick around for a decade or more.
A decade or more? Sad to say that Al is not walking through that door again
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"There are people who don't have a wanderlust, I think Wojo is one of those people, not unlike Al McGuire."
Al McGuire did not have a wanderlust? I beg to differ.
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Good research report on Crean.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/03/31/doyel-compassionate-tom-crean-not-cartoon-character-you-think-he/99863548/
Here's the thing with Crean. He was an epic douche early in his career, as are most coaches. Friends of mine that worked for him said he was a jerk. Same friends said same things about Buzz ater, only worse.
Saying that, look how many former players and coaches swear by the man? How many say he made them better men, not just better basketball players. Of course there are some that don't like him, too. Cannot please everyone. More often than not I'm going to take the viewpoints of people that interacted with him daily for years than some message board scrubs that interacted with him 2 times for a total of 3 minutes. Though depending on where Crean was in his life, those 3 minutes could have been unpleasant.
Someone I know very well that worked for Crean at MU and didn't like him, has changed his tune the last few years. Said that Crean grew up, became humble, not the control freak he was, has become softer. A totally different person.
Crean will land somewhere, but probably next season. He needs a year off, take that IU money. Decompress, renew his energy.
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A decade or more? Sad to say that Al is not walking through that door again
Are you saying that doesn't happen any more? What about guys like Mark Few?
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Lobos ditch Craig Neal.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19051223/craig-neal-fired-new-mexico-men-basketball-head-coach
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Interesting slant, but Wojo stayed at Duke long after most of his cohort left. There are people who don't have a wanderlust, I think Wojo is one of those people, not unlike Al McGuire.
Yep, I think he gained much insight watching Coach K evaluate all elements in the many of his offers to move out of Durham to a bigger stage. To some, Bigger May be Less.
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Tom Crean has spent a great deal of his career at larger, public schools, in the Midwest. This seems to be his what he likes and prefers. It would be interesting if he moved to a different part of the country, and/or landed at a smaller private school again. I don't see it. But if it were by far his best opportunity to do so, I am sure he would.
I know Marquette is in the Midwest, but it being a large public school is news to me.
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Mike Deane has retired from coaching
http://www.silive.com/sports/advance/gordon/index.ssf/2017/04/former_wagner_college_head_man.html
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I know Marquette is in the Midwest, but it being a large public school is news to me.
It isn't.
While at Marquette, Crean had interest in other larger public Universities. Much of his other experience is at these places as well. Central Michigan (student) Western Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Michigan St., Indiana.
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Mike Deane has retired from coaching
http://www.silive.com/sports/advance/gordon/index.ssf/2017/04/former_wagner_college_head_man.html
He retired from recruiting in 1995.
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Lobos ditch Craig Neal.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19051223/craig-neal-fired-new-mexico-men-basketball-head-coach
Now *that* would be a good landing spot for Crean.
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He retired from recruiting in 1995.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States
savage.
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Tom Crean should spend a year in broadcasting. He has a knack for it and knows how to do research.
He shouldn't rush into any coaching gig that comes his way.
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Here's the thing with Crean. He was an epic douche early in his career, as are most coaches. Friends of mine that worked for him said he was a jerk. Same friends said same things about Buzz ater, only worse.
Saying that, look how many former players and coaches swear by the man? How many say he made them better men, not just better basketball players. Of course there are some that don't like him, too. Cannot please everyone. More often than not I'm going to take the viewpoints of people that interacted with him daily for years than some message board scrubs that interacted with him 2 times for a total of 3 minutes. Though depending on where Crean was in his life, those 3 minutes could have been unpleasant.
Someone I know very well that worked for Crean at MU and didn't like him, has changed his tune the last few years. Said that Crean grew up, became humble, not the control freak he was, has become softer. A totally different person.
Crean will land somewhere, but probably next season. He needs a year off, take that IU money. Decompress, renew his energy.
Long time no see, Chico!
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Long time no see, Chico!
Careful. Could just be a rando that Chicos invited over for some beers and Disney tickets with their wives.
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Tom Crean should spend a year in broadcasting. He has a knack for it and knows how to do research.
He shouldn't rush into any coaching gig that comes his way.
If Crean wants to coach, he should coach.
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Careful. Could just be a rando that Chicos invited over for some beers and Disney tickets with their wives.
Solid
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Solid
Also forgot to mention he gave said rando his wifi password so he could post on MUScoop while spending QT at the Chicos residence.
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I pray that epic name dropping douche isnt returning (chico,hoop,etc)
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Here's the thing with Crean. He was an epic douche early in his career, as are most coaches. Friends of mine that worked for him said he was a jerk. Same friends said same things about Buzz ater, only worse.
Saying that, look how many former players and coaches swear by the man? How many say he made them better men, not just better basketball players. Of course there are some that don't like him, too. Cannot please everyone. More often than not I'm going to take the viewpoints of people that interacted with him daily for years than some message board scrubs that interacted with him 2 times for a total of 3 minutes. Though depending on where Crean was in his life, those 3 minutes could have been unpleasant.
Someone I know very well that worked for Crean at MU and didn't like him, has changed his tune the last few years. Said that Crean grew up, became humble, not the control freak he was, has become softer. A totally different person.
Crean will land somewhere, but probably next season. He needs a year off, take that IU money. Decompress, renew his energy.
TC lives his life "to the fullest." I believe this story and every jerk story. The man has no off switch.
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Mike Deane has retired from coaching
http://www.silive.com/sports/advance/gordon/index.ssf/2017/04/former_wagner_college_head_man.html
The '98 Minnesota NIT game was ON ESPN classic a couple of weeks ago. This was a little before my time, but anyone want to give a summary on what happened the following year? Obviously the recruiting improved under Crean. They blew the Minnesota game (not unlike some losses this season) and still had a Cliff wide open 3 at the buzzer to win. Gophers won the NIT that year.
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The '98 Minnesota NIT game was ON ESPN classic a couple of weeks ago. This was a little before my time, but anyone want to give a summary on what happened the following year? Obviously the recruiting improved under Crean. They blew the Minnesota game (not unlike some losses this season) and still had a Cliff wide open 3 at the buzzer to win. Gophers won the NIT that year.
Umm the team had no talent coupled with the fact that deane on the radio said MU was unrealistic to expect challenging for the ncaas every year. The axe swung shortly after
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Umm the team had no talent coupled with the fact that deane on the radio said MU was unrealistic to expect challenging for the ncaas every year. The axe swung shortly after
Exactly. Fr. Wild wasn't going to be writing the big check for an occasional NCAA.
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Crean was on PTI last night. They asked if he was interested in the Georgetown job. He replied that he didn't think Georgetown was interested in him.
I thought this quote was interesting, regarding research for his next job:
"I'm going to be much smarter when it comes to understanding infrastructure, when it comes to understanding who I'm working with, when it comes to understanding what I'm walking into."
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I thought this quote was interesting, regarding research for his next job:
"I'm going to be much smarter when it comes to understanding infrastructure, when it comes to understanding who I'm working with, when it comes to understanding what I'm walking into."
Are you sure this wasn't a KO quote from after accepted the UT job?
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Here's the thing with Crean. He was an epic douche early in his career, as are most coaches. Friends of mine that worked for him said he was a jerk. Same friends said same things about Buzz ater, only worse.
Saying that, look how many former players and coaches swear by the man? How many say he made them better men, not just better basketball players. Of course there are some that don't like him, too. Cannot please everyone. More often than not I'm going to take the viewpoints of people that interacted with him daily for years than some message board scrubs that interacted with him 2 times for a total of 3 minutes. Though depending on where Crean was in his life, those 3 minutes could have been unpleasant.
Someone I know very well that worked for Crean at MU and didn't like him, has changed his tune the last few years. Said that Crean grew up, became humble, not the control freak he was, has become softer. A totally different person.
Crean will land somewhere, but probably next season. He needs a year off, take that IU money. Decompress, renew his energy.
I guess rocket was wrong again.
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Can't hurt, I suppose.
Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels
Chattanooga has agreed to a 6-year deal with Wisconsin assistant Lamont Paris, per multiple sources.
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Ewing to Georgetown talk emerging...and they needed to hire a search firm?
https://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/georgetown-wise-keep-family-patrick-ewing/
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Ewing to Georgetown talk emerging...and they needed to hire a search firm?
https://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/georgetown-wise-keep-family-patrick-ewing/
If they go with Ewing, not saying it'd be a bad hire, but talk about an unquestionable fallback hire after everyone else said no. Just reeks of the "well, we can't get anyone we want, may as well go with the guy we know will say yes".
Of course, would Ewing stick if the NBA came calling? He's already expressed interest in that one day, and it's more money for in some ways less headaches (at least as far as dealing with kids goes).
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They could have engaged with a search firm to do all sorts of things. Background and reference for instance. Those firms do more than simply find someone.
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They could have engaged with a search firm to do all sorts of things. Background and reference for instance. Those firms do more than simply find someone.
This. My organization hired a firm to find a new CEO, even though there's a 95% chance they will hire someone either within the organization or referred by someone within the organization.
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They could have engaged with a search firm to do all sorts of things. Background and reference for instance. Those firms do more than simply find someone.
I understand all this but the irony of the article was that...
According to Rothstein’s report, Big John Thompson wants Ewing to take over the job.
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I understand all this but the irony of the article was that...
Often times they hire the search firm as cover for doing exactly what they wanted to do to begin with (kind of like business consulting). This way, they hire Ewing (probably was #1 choice all along), and can say he was the number #1 recommendation for the search firm.
Going after the likes of Mack/Brey/Amaker, was likely publicity oriented, in demonstrating they could throw around $4M+ salaries, while knowing that Mack/Brey/Amaker weren't going anywhere.
They get to reinforce the image of Georgetown being big league, and then hire the guy that keeps the dynasty/lineage intact. As others have indicated it also presents the image of burying the hold hatchet between Thompson and Dematha (Wooten). Don't underestimate the public posturing that goes on in these types of hires.
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They get to reinforce the image of Georgetown being big league, and then hire the guy that keeps the dynasty/lineage intact.
Not disagreeing, but isn't getting turned down by four candidates (Cooley, Brey, Mack, Smart) seems like a way to say your brand isn't as big as you thought it was, especially when you settle on the veritable in-house hire. And trying to spin he was the #1 choice when four other guys turned you down, that just seems silly. ?-(
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Not disagreeing, but isn't getting turned down by four candidates (Cooley, Brey, Mack, Smart) seems like a way to say your brand isn't as big as you thought it was, especially when you settle on the veritable in-house hire. And trying to spin he was the #1 choice when four other guys turned you down, that just seems silly. ?-(
Understand that sentiment also. But part of the thing is making boosters happy, who wanted a new direction. Also makes fans happy to realize the administration is committed.
Lots of different angles. Trying to weigh all the optics. In the end, the schools usually go in the direction they had intended from day 1. The rest is all public posturing.
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Of course, would Ewing stick if the NBA came calling? He's already expressed interest in that one day, and it's more money for in some ways less headaches (at least as far as dealing with kids goes).
Not sure Ewing would need the pay bump. This would be a great hire for GTown.
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I guess rocket was wrong again.
nope again!! this ain't chicos dudes
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Not disagreeing, but isn't getting turned down by four candidates (Cooley, Brey, Mack, Smart) seems like a way to say your brand isn't as big as you thought it was, especially when you settle on the veritable in-house hire. And trying to spin he was the #1 choice when four other guys turned you down, that just seems silly. ?-(
Are we sure that all four of these guys were formally (or even informally) asked if they were interested? I didn't page through the entire thread, but I am pretty sure that most of these rejections were actually in response to reporters asking these guys if they were interested.
By the way, I am not interested, either, so throw that on the pile.
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I'd also like to formally say, that contrary to any rumors I am not interested in the Georgetown job.
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I'm skeptical that Ewing was ever even in the top 3-5 during the early stages of this search unless his taking over was part of a predetermined agreement with the Thompsons to not make life difficult for the school/new coach. (And the search firm is now intended to brush the Thompsons' prints off)
Ewing doesn't have any experience recruiting, wouldn't seem to represent enough of a shift or splashy hire to make wealthy donors happy, and to say he has been "connected" to nba gigs is an understatement - he was being interviewed for every opening, and the way he kept ending up a bridesmaid was getting uncomfortable for the entire league.
But if Ewing was the only coach the Thompsons would accept, perhaps the other decision makers see it as the necessary first step to get out from under them.
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Ewing to me was always going to be the top candidate for precisely the reason you mention Burrow. He has coaching experience and would be palatable to Thompson.
Yeah he doesn't have head coaching or college experience. Neither did Chris Mullin however. It is all going to depend on who he hires on his staff to recruit. I'm sure the Xs and Os won't be an issue.
And if it doesn't work, they can dump him and Thomson will be a more distant memory.
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If Ewing was the top candidate he would have been hired a long time ago.
He may end up being the choice and I'm,sure the AD will be quick,to point out that no one else was "offered the job"
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Maybe Ewing had to think about it first since initial reports said he wasn't interested. Regardless, I shouldn't have said *the* top candidate. *A* top candidate is more accurate.
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Ewing has spent week identifying potential candidates to pursue as part of a high-level, experienced college coaching staff.
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account @WojVerticalNBA
Sources: After several phone discussions with Georgetown officials, Patrick Ewing will have formal meeting on coaching job in DC on Monday.
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If Georgetown hires Ewing it would be a net positive for the Big East . Good publicity for league with two of its great historical players now in head coaching roles. Ewing will put together a good staff of assistants and Georgetown will be back in the upper levels of the conference quickly. A program that had the ability to beat Oregon this year has a lot of core strengths.
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If Georgetown hires Ewing it would be a net positive for the Big East . Good publicity for league with two of its great historical players now in head coaching roles. Ewing will put together a good staff of assistants and Georgetown will be back in the upper levels of the conference quickly. A program that had the ability to beat Oregon this year has a lot of core strengths.
Lol. One (early season, with their opponent's best player playing his first game on a fractured foot) win determines where a program is at huh?
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Breaking news: sources tell ESPN 980 that #Georgetown has hired Patrick Ewing as next head coach. #Hoyas
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If I'm a gtown fan I wouldn't like this hire
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If I'm a gtown fan I wouldn't like this hire
In a span of 10 minutes, Georgetown has gotten more national press than JT3 could muster in 10 years. This is big news and gets Georgetown back in the national spotlight. The St. Johns/Georgetown games with Mullin and Ewing at the helm will be must-see-TV again.
This is a grand slam hire. Ewing is a Hall-of-Famer, and Big East royalty. He has over 10 years of coaching experience in the NBA, and will have top recruits lining up to play for him.
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In a span of 10 minutes, Georgetown has gotten more national press than JT3 could muster in 10 years. This is big news and gets Georgetown back in the national spotlight. The St. Johns/Georgetown games with Mullin and Ewing at the helm will be must-see-TV again.
This is a grand slam hire. Ewing is a future Hall-of-Famer player, and Big East royalty. He has over 10 years of coaching experience in the NBA, and will have top recruits lining up to play for him.
Already is a Hall of Fame player.
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If I'm a gtown fan I wouldn't like this hire
just curious to know why-i really don't care either way, but will be interesting to see how the g-town community reacts and how patrick responds or how his teams will respond
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This is a grand slam hire. Ewing is a Hall-of-Famer, and Big East royalty. He has over 10 years of coaching experience in the NBA, and will have top recruits lining up to play for him.
All the above was said about Chris Mullin.
Keep in mind, the top recruits in the Class of 2018 were in diapers the last time Patrick Ewing played a meaningful basketball game. His playing career is as relevant to them as Roy Williams'.
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All the above was said about Chris Mullin.
Keep in mind, the top recruits in the Class of 2018 were in diapers the last time Patrick Ewing played a meaningful basketball game. His playing career is as relevant to them as Roy Williams'.
But parents, coaches, other people know who he is completely. Not that it would matter in all cases.
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But parents, coaches, other people know who he is completely. Not that it would matter in all cases.
This is a very important consideration. At the end of the day Parents are a very key factor in making a decision. Also Ewing can speak as a parent who has had a son play high D-1 basketball. I think he will have a lot of stature with both parents and coaches. If it is a close call that will be of value.
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This is a very important consideration. At the end of the day Parents are a very key factor in making a decision. Also Ewing can speak as a parent who has had a son play high D-1 basketball. I think he will have a lot of stature with both parents and coaches. If it is a close call that will be of value.
Well, as long as the parents don't remember Ewing's adventures at the Gold Club when he pitches them on how he'll shape their sons into fine young men.
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Well, as long as the parents don't remember Ewing's adventures at the Gold Club when he pitches them on how he'll shape their sons into fine young men.
http://onlineathens.com/stories/072401/new_0724010028.shtml#.WOLYeXD3af0
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And Groce is back in the mid-major space...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-john-groce-akron-illinois-20170405-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-john-groce-akron-illinois-20170405-story.html)
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That appears to be the proper conference for Groce.
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Furman hired Bob Richey as their head coach today, but reportedly Marquette assistant Chris Carrawell was one of the finalists.
https://hoopdirt.com/daily-dirt-4717/
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That appears to be the proper conference for Groce.
And absolutely no insult intended, at least by me. He can have a long, productive and pretty lucrative career doing well at that level.
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Tom Crean going into the airline industry
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/tom-crean-to-feature-on-norwegian-air-tailfins-1.3039258
(http://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.3039256.1491492783!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)
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Crean sucks
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I'd also like to formally say, that contrary to any rumors I am not interested in the Georgetown job.
Rumor has it, you were contacted, but forgot to respond.
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I'm skeptical that Ewing was ever even in the top 3-5 during the early stages of this search unless his taking over was part of a predetermined agreement with the Thompsons to not make life difficult for the school/new coach. (And the search firm is now intended to brush the Thompsons' prints off)
Ewing doesn't have any experience recruiting, wouldn't seem to represent enough of a shift or splashy hire to make wealthy donors happy, and to say he has been "connected" to nba gigs is an understatement - he was being interviewed for every opening, and the way he kept ending up a bridesmaid was getting uncomfortable for the entire league.
But if Ewing was the only coach the Thompsons would accept, perhaps the other decision makers see it as the necessary first step to get out from under them.
Ewing was #3, just like Buzz was when Crean left - a perfect fall back candidate. Gtown knew Ewing wasn't going anywhere and they could get him whenever they wanted to. So, when the top two turned down Gtown there was Ewing waiting patiently.
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Steve Fisher retires from SDSU.
http://deadspin.com/steve-fisher-calls-an-end-to-his-strange-successful-co-1794196371?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jim-harbaugh-compares-tom-creans-dismissal-at-indiana-to-his-own-with-49ers/
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Steve Fisher retires from SDSU.
http://deadspin.com/steve-fisher-calls-an-end-to-his-strange-successful-co-1794196371?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
One of the comments on that article grabbed my attention. I did a Google search and then...
http://deadspin.com/5840042/new-biography-claims-sarah-palin-had-a-one-night-stand-with-glen-rice-in-1987
How did I miss this?
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/jim-harbaugh-compares-tom-creans-dismissal-at-indiana-to-his-own-with-49ers/
This is what's called a lie (or gross exaggeration, who the hell knows anymore) within a truth. Everyone agrees Harbaugh was the best 49ers coach since Bill Walsh and that the d!ckhead owner and former GM chased him off out of pride. He immediately landed a premier job in college football, where his skillset as a teacher is better utilized and appreciated. But to equate those two: the evidence doesn't support that.
Though maybe Crean will prove me wrong and like, Harbuagh, he'll have great success one level down. He should have a long career at Northwestern (Iowa)
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Think about it.....
Where would Crean be a "fit".....and would be someplace he could land.....
Can not think of any at the present time.....
Probably going to sit out a year at this point.....
After all.....IU is paying his salary for at least next year.....
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University of Siberia sounds 'bout wright, hey?
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One of the comments on that article grabbed my attention. I did a Google search and then...
http://deadspin.com/5840042/new-biography-claims-sarah-palin-had-a-one-night-stand-with-glen-rice-in-1987
How did I miss this?
Wow.
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Wow.
Dis is why it wuz known as da Great Alaskan Shootout, hey?
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One of the comments on that article grabbed my attention. I did a Google search and then...
http://deadspin.com/5840042/new-biography-claims-sarah-palin-had-a-one-night-stand-with-glen-rice-in-1987
How did I miss this?
Too bad that was in the pre cell phone era. The tape of that would be valuable. I beat she was a real screamer.
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Too bad that was in the pre cell phone era. The tape of that would be valuable. I beat she was a real screamer.
Nah, as the late great Harry Carey would claim, she was a squirmer.
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Nah, as the late great Harry Carey would claim, she was a squirmer.
Screamer, Squirmer its all good.