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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 15, 2017, 01:21:33 PM
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http://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/rothstein-uconn-big-east-recent-discussions-expansion/ (http://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/rothstein-uconn-big-east-recent-discussions-expansion/)
UConn and the Big East have had recent discussions about the Huskies coming back to the Big East. The Big East would take back UConn for all non-football sports (including basketball), and UConn would find a new home for football. The Big East would also keep a round-robin format, going to 20 conference games with eleven total teams.
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I'd love this. But I think UCONN would have to agree to stay long term. No bailing at the first chance.
Keeping the round robin and going to 20 game conference schedule would be great. Lose 2 cupcakes, help everyone for RPI and SOS purposes. Would be great for season ticket holders.
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Lookie there, what I've been saying for the past 4 years. Now we just need Notre Dame.
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Please, dear God, do not let this happen.
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This roundtable article lays out the pros and cons pretty well. I would welcome UConn assuming they can park their football somewhere permanent. Keep the double round robin and leave it at 11 teams (Dayton is somewhat interesting but that's about the only other program). But right now UConn needs the Big East a lot more then the BE needs UConn.
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2017/2/10/14580088/big-east-coast-bias-expansion-roundtable-uconn-big-east
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This roundtable article lays out the pros and cons pretty well. I would welcome UConn assuming they can park their football somewhere permanent. Keep the double round robin and leave it at 11 teams (Dayton is somewhat interesting but that's about the only other program). But right now UConn needs the Big East a lot more then the BE needs UConn.
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2017/2/10/14580088/big-east-coast-bias-expansion-roundtable-uconn-big-east
The problem with that debate is that it is strong on sentiment (double round robin and private schools) and short on what the issue is. Money.
If UConn brings more money to each of the conference members, you do it.
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It's like being the starting point guard of the high school basketball team and dating the smokeshow, who then leaves you for the quarterback of the football team, has an ugly breakup with the quarterback, dates around with the entire rest of the football roster while you settle down with the super cute, super sweet girl, and then having the serial dating smokeshow come crying back to you after her 10th ugly breakup in a year and being like "Sweet! I'll break up with the girl I've settled in with that is perfect for me!"
This is beyond stupid. We just got out of this situation. The second UCONN gets an invite to a P5 conference they are gone, no matter what the buyout $$ is. The absolute only way this should ever even be considered is if UCONN first drops from D1 football. If not, don't even entertain the conversation.
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Anyone question that "FanRagSports" is breaking this news and not like, a real news outlet?
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Anyone question that "FanRagSports" is breaking this news and not like, a real news outlet?
#AlternativeFacts
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It's Jon Rothstein who used to be with CBS who broke it.
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This is beyond stupid. We just got out of this situation. The second UCONN gets an invite to a P5 conference they are gone, no matter what the buyout $$ is. The absolute only way this should ever even be considered is if UCONN first drops from D1 football. If not, don't even entertain the conversation.
And if that happens eight years from now, good for them. Marquette can cash the checks in the meantime.
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It's like being the starting point guard of the high school basketball team and dating the smokeshow, who then leaves you for the quarterback of the football team, has an ugly breakup with the quarterback, dates around with the entire rest of the football roster while you settle down with the super cute, super sweet girl, and then having the serial dating smokeshow come crying back to you after her 10th ugly breakup in a year and being like "Sweet! I'll break up with the girl I've settled in with that is perfect for me!"
This is beyond stupid. We just got out of this situation. The second UCONN gets an invite to a P5 conference they are gone, no matter what the buyout $$ is. The absolute only way this should ever even be considered is if UCONN first drops from D1 football. If not, don't even entertain the conversation.
I agree with this analysis.
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Interested if they drop football.
If not, pass.
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Anyone question that "FanRagSports" is breaking this news and not like, a real news outlet?
FanRagSports has some legit sources.
Jon Rothstein for CBB.
Jon Heyman for MLB.
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FanRagSports has some legit sources.
Jon Rothstein for CBB.
Jon Heyman for MLB.
Heyman is really good. During baseball season, he's always on WFAN with the latest trade rumors.
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This is beyond stupid. We just got out of this situation. The second UCONN gets an invite to a P5 conference they are gone, no matter what the buyout $$ is. The absolute only way this should ever even be considered is if UCONN first drops from D1 football. If not, don't even entertain the conversation.
This is dumb. To just ignore any school, let alone a well-known school like UConn, simply because they have a football program will keep the Big East from growing. We're a good conference now, but we can become better. I'm sure there's a way to write language into the conference agreements that accounts for leaving the conference early. I don't think adding UConn, or even a Cincinnati, Temple or UCF would be a bad thing. I see a lot more upside than downside there.
Plus, even if UConn or any other new addition did leave, we're just back to where we are today. We're not worse off.
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Anyone question that "FanRagSports" is breaking this news and not like, a real news outlet?
1. FanRag is a legit stable of writers.
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I would have absolutely no problem welcoming UConn into the fold under this scenario.
If they leave 3 or 5 or 10 years down the line, it won't be like when a bunch of programs bolted at once. It will be one departure and the Big East will be plenty strong enough to handle it.
The only 12th school I'd really want would be Notre Dame for all sports except football, and that's not gonna happen. Oh ... I guess I'd take Gonzaga for basketball only, but that's not gonna happen, either.
So 11 schools, round-robin, with 20 conference games, and with UConn, one of the Big East originals joining back up ... I'll take it.
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This roundtable article lays out the pros and cons pretty well. I would welcome UConn assuming they can park their football somewhere permanent. Keep the double round robin and leave it at 11 teams (Dayton is somewhat interesting but that's about the only other program). But right now UConn needs the Big East a lot more then the BE needs UConn.
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2017/2/10/14580088/big-east-coast-bias-expansion-roundtable-uconn-big-east
2. Fixed it for you.
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This is beyond stupid. We just got out of this situation. The second UCONN gets an invite to a P5 conference they are gone, no matter what the buyout $$ is.
ridiculous statement to say the least.
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3. UCONN must bring more money from Fox. I don't think this will happen in the long run. If we are at the overinflation point of the sports bubble, I think holding ground is the best bet.
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ridiculous statement to say the least.
You really think if the ACC or B1G came calling and UCONN was in the BE and had a giant buyout to leave the conference they would be scared away from leaving for those conferences?
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I don't see where UCONN can house their football program considering the money they've invested (wasted) trying to compete at the D1 level. Unless the AAC would let them still play football there. If they can pull it off, it would be a great addition.
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You really think if the ACC or B1G came calling and UCONN was in the BE and had a giant buyout to leave the conference they would be scared away from leaving for those conferences?
I don't see why this is an issue. We go back to 10 teams and an 18 game conference schedule. We also take some money for them leaving, but I don't know that it needs to be a ridiculous amount unless UCONN is that desperate. As long as the money per school is equal or more, I think UCONN is a no brainer.
The only thing that can threaten this conference is if the P5 start plucking basketball-only schools or if our current members with football go up a level. I'm not too worried about the latter and think we'd be a team plucked in the former.
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It's like being the starting point guard of the high school basketball team and dating the smokeshow, who then leaves you for the quarterback of the football team, has an ugly breakup with the quarterback, dates around with the entire rest of the football roster while you settle down with the super cute, super sweet girl, and then having the serial dating smokeshow come crying back to you after her 10th ugly breakup in a year and being like "Sweet! I'll break up with the girl I've settled in with that is perfect for me!"
The problem with this analogy is that you're not breaking up with the super cute, super sweet girl for the smokeshow. You get to have both.
I think the more accurate comparison is the Big East is your standard average Joe. He is somehow given the chance to date Jennifer Lawrence (insert your own favorite celebrity crush). He knows there's a good chance they will break up after a few years, but what a few years those will be!
I've never gotten the fear of UConn joining and then leaving the Big East. We cash the checks for a few years and if they leave we are no worse for wear. As long as basketball only schools have the super majority there is no issue.
Also, I'm not convinced that UConn ever gets a P5 invite. I believe expansion is done for awhile and the B12 will get picked clean once their GoR is up. The B12 will either cease to exist or become the American 2.0 and get G5 money.
Real question is if fox ponies up the extra cash. If the answer is yes, you take them. If not, you don't.
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Anyone question that "FanRagSports" is breaking this news and not like, a real news outlet?
It was reported over a week ago by multiple sources.
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The problem with this analogy is that you're not breaking up with the super cute, super sweet girl for the smokeshow. You get to have both.
I think the more accurate comparison is the Big East is your standard average Joe. He is somehow given the chance to date Jennifer Lawrence (insert your own favorite celebrity crush). He knows there's a good chance they will break up after a few years, but what a few years those will be!
I've never gotten the fear of UConn joining and then leaving the Big East. We cash the checks for a few years and if they leave we are no worse for wear. As long as basketball only schools have the super majority there is no issue.
Also, I'm not convinced that UConn ever gets a P5 invite. I believe expansion is done for awhile and the B12 will get picked clean once their GoR is up. The B12 will either cease to exist or become the American 2.0 and get G5 money.
Real question is if fox ponies up the extra cash. If the answer is yes, you take them. If not, you don't.
Outstanding analysis, my friend.
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The problem with this analogy is that you're not breaking up with the super cute, super sweet girl for the smokeshow. You get to have both.
I think the more accurate comparison is the Big East is your standard average Joe. He is somehow given the chance to date Jennifer Lawrence (insert your own favorite celebrity crush). He knows there's a good chance they will break up after a few years, but what a few years those will be!
I've never gotten the fear of UConn joining and then leaving the Big East. We cash the checks for a few years and if they leave we are no worse for wear. As long as basketball only schools have the super majority there is no issue.
Also, I'm not convinced that UConn ever gets a P5 invite. I believe expansion is done for awhile and the B12 will get picked clean once their GoR is up. The B12 will either cease to exist or become the American 2.0 and get G5 money.
Real question is if fox ponies up the extra cash. If the answer is yes, you take them. If not, you don't.
I think this is spot on...would only add if Fox tells us to do it, you do it.
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that UConn helps strengthen the BE's presence in NYC. The ACC and Big 10 are both trying to claim the NYC market as their own and push the BE out of the way. Adding UConn helps us keep MSG for the tournament (ACC and B10 both want MSG in their rotation), and increases our presence in that market.
If the buy-out is high enough ($50 Million+), I think it would be fine.
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The problem with this analogy is that you're not breaking up with the super cute, super sweet girl for the smokeshow. You get to have both.
I think the more accurate comparison is the Big East is your standard average Joe. He is somehow given the chance to date Jennifer Lawrence (insert your own favorite celebrity crush). He knows there's a good chance they will break up after a few years, but what a few years those will be!
I've never gotten the fear of UConn joining and then leaving the Big East. We cash the checks for a few years and if they leave we are no worse for wear. As long as basketball only schools have the super majority there is no issue.
Also, I'm not convinced that UConn ever gets a P5 invite. I believe expansion is done for awhile and the B12 will get picked clean once their GoR is up. The B12 will either cease to exist or become the American 2.0 and get G5 money.
Real question is if fox ponies up the extra cash. If the answer is yes, you take them. If not, you don't.
The Big East isn't your Average Joe. It's already someone that is dating Jennifer Lawrence, and worthy of that.
If we want to become Friend Zone Joe again, sure. Let's just house any athletic program hoping to eventually make the move to a P5 conference until they raise their profile enough to get that invite.
The BE doesn't need more money, it doesn't need more members, it doesn't need to be a band aid for an athletic department that is in some real trouble.
There's no greater way to guarantee we become the mid-major conference "P5" conferences want to pretend we are than to look to build with schools that will bolt when "real" conferences come calling.
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The only reason you do it is if each school gets more money as a result. You also make this a UConn only rule and make sure no other schools are allowed to have D1 football.
Under those conditions you'd be stupid not to do it. Increase the visibility and value of the conference, weaken another conference and should UConn decide to bolt, you go back to how you were with a little extra W.A.M (walking around money) with a UConn buy-out.
I would also expand for UConn and UConn allow, don't make this a 12 team conference because there is no value in that. Round Robin with a 20 games schedule is win-win-win.
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Also, I'm not convinced that UConn ever gets a P5 invite. I believe expansion is done for awhile and the B12 will get picked clean once their GoR is up. The B12 will either cease to exist or become the American 2.0 and get G5 money.
When that happens we can add Kansas as our 12th team :)
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The Big East isn't your Average Joe. It's already someone that is dating Jennifer Lawrence, and worthy of that.
If we want to become Friend Zone Joe again, sure. Let's just house any athletic program hoping to eventually make the move to a P5 conference until they raise their profile enough to get that invite.
The BE doesn't need more money, it doesn't need more members, it doesn't need to be a band aid for an athletic department that is in some real trouble.
There's no greater way to guarantee we become the mid-major conference "P5" conferences want to pretend we are than to look to build with schools that will bolt when "real" conferences come calling.
You seem to think there is some floodgate of programs that want to play in the Big East with a big name bball program but store their football programs else where. There are two, maybe (Notre Dame and UConn). How many conferences are willing to take just UConn's football program which sucks? UConn likely brings a lot more money with it(20 game schedule and program visibility) so you do it.
I don't think it happens cause I don't think anyone would take UConn football, but still....if someone asks you if you're a god, you say yes!
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There's no greater way to guarantee we become the mid-major conference "P5" conferences want to pretend we are than to look to build with schools that will bolt when "real" conferences come calling.
Normally I would agree, but the basketball cachet of UConn in the New York/ New England region and nationally, plus the school's previous affiliation with the Big East, is just too much to pass up.
I've said many times that I sentimentally have an attachment to UConn, but there is no other team from the old conference I miss playing in the way I do Connecticut. Sure we had some great games with Syracuse and Pitt and Louisville, and we had a nice Catholic rivalry with Notre Dame, but to me UConn IS the Big East. It belongs here, even if it has football and even if it is a public school.
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Litehouse nailed it...you cannot underestimate UCONN'S draw and what it would mean for the BE to keep MSG for their tournament. With the ACC and Big14 wanting to house theirs in NY as well, this can't be undersold. No downside to adding UCONN. No P5 conference is ever going to invite them, if they were, they'd have done it by now. Their FB just isn't strong enough to get that call and they know it, hence why they are wanting back into the BE and parking their FB wherever they can.
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Hartford Courant report
http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-uconn-big-east-0216-20170215-story.html
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Anti. Stay with basketball only schools. Also would cause scheduling issues as every team would get a weekend where they need to find an OOC game. I'm not blind to the virtues. But on balance, no.
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It's like being the starting point guard of the high school basketball team and dating the smokeshow, who then leaves you for the quarterback of the football team, has an ugly breakup with the quarterback, dates around with the entire rest of the football roster while you settle down with the super cute, super sweet girl, and then having the serial dating smokeshow come crying back to you after her 10th ugly breakup in a year and being like "Sweet! I'll break up with the girl I've settled in with that is perfect for me!"
This is beyond stupid. We just got out of this situation. The second UCONN gets an invite to a P5 conference they are gone, no matter what the buyout $$ is. The absolute only way this should ever even be considered is if UCONN first drops from D1 football. If not, don't even entertain the conversation.
But they didn't bail on the conference. They are still in the conference that everyone (Including us) jumped ship from.
and even if they did leave, so what? We go back to what we had before?
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You really think if the ACC or B1G came calling and UCONN was in the BE and had a giant buyout to leave the conference they would be scared away from leaving for those conferences?
My point is you have no clue how desperate UCONN is. Without knowing what the buyout is, you have no clue if it's a good thing or not. For the right amount of money I'm fine with UCONN being in the BEAST for a limited time. Obviously the BEAST could also put a contract out that makes it impossible for them to leave. I don't think the BEAST needs to do this...so they should move forward if they can get the deal they want. UCONN is in a tough spot right now...
Those saying flat out "no" if they keep football are ridiculous....there's a price for everything.
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Give UConn an 80% share and they'll still clear more on basketball than they do in all AAC sports. Then give each existing member 1.5% of UConn's share and let the league take the other 5%. Whatever UConn does with the football revenue they can find is their business. Everyone wins.
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UConn isn't a random school that happens to have a good bball program. This one of the founders of the very conference that we're in. UConn and ND are both outliers in the sense they have football programs but also have deep ties to many members of the current BE. The conference would be insane not to add one or both if they could and it means NOTHING about lack of stability in the future because we've already got the foundation without them. Throw in a big buyout and it's a no-brainer.
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Anti. Stay with basketball only schools. Also would cause scheduling issues as every team would get a weekend where they need to find an OOC game. I'm not blind to the virtues. But on balance, no.
Other conferences do it, ACC is going to 20 game schedule, eliminating two buy games and getting two UConn games is worth way more than having to find a mid-conference OOC game.
This is a UConn and UConn only play that has to mean more money for all Big East teams. If it doesn't make the teams more money than we're out on the deal. If UConn joins and then gets poached 5 years from now, the 5 years of extra money we got as a result spends better than the 5 years of no extra money if we don't do it.
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The Big East isn't your Average Joe. It's already someone that is dating Jennifer Lawrence, and worthy of that.
Average Joe might not have been the right term, we are pretty great. But the reality is, UConn is a better basketball program than any currently in the Big East. 33 tournament appearances (2nd behind NOVA), 59 tournament wins (more than any BE team), 5 final fours (tied for most w/ GTWN and Nova), and 4 national championships (more than any BE team) brings a lot of legitimacy. UConn would raise the Big East's profile. We are currently viewed as the 3rd or 4th best basketball conference. UConn could help change that. I would argue that we also raise UConn's profile because of their current situation, so its a win win.
If we want to become Friend Zone Joe again, sure. Let's just house any athletic program hoping to eventually make the move to a P5 conference until they raise their profile enough to get that invite.
Why would we do that? We control who gets in the conference. UConn is the best candidate besides maybe Gonzaga or Notre Dame and they both have their issues too. Just because we take the best doesn't mean we're suddenly going to open it to everybody else. Basketball only schools will always keep their super majority.
The BE doesn't need more money, it doesn't need more members, it doesn't need to be a band aid for an athletic department that is in some real trouble.
Most people don't NEED more money. But why would you turn it down? But we do need another flagship program if we want to return to our spot as the best basketball conference. Right now we are behind the B12 because they have a blue blood in Kansas. UConn could even the scales for us and push us above the B12.
There's no greater way to guarantee we become the mid-major conference "P5" conferences want to pretend we are than to look to build with schools that will bolt when "real" conferences come calling.
I just can't follow this logic. So the ACC is mid-major because Maryland bolted for the B1G? The Old Big East was a mid-major? The B12 is a mid-major because TAMU, Mizzou, Nebraska, and Colorado all bolted? I just don't follow. Also, I really don't think UConn gets that P5 invite. We are heading towards four major conferences with the B12 getting left in the cold. No room for UConn unless they start growing to like 20 teams. I think it is more likely that the football conferences start taking basketball only members and poach the Big East.
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When that happens we can add Kansas as our 12th team :)
I have long had a dream where Kansas finally says "you know what, we suck at football and will always suck at football. We're dropping football and joining the Big East." Long shot at this point. But I can see a situation where the B12 is gobbled up and Kansas is left out like UConn was. Oh the possibilities.
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I just can't follow this logic. So the ACC is mid-major because Maryland bolted for the B1G? The Old Big East was a mid-major? The B12 is a mid-major because TAMU, Mizzou, Nebraska, and Colorado all bolted? I just don't follow. Also, I really don't think UConn gets that P5 invite. We are heading towards four major conferences with the B12 getting left in the cold. No room for UConn unless they start growing to like 20 teams. I think it is more likely that the football conferences start taking basketball only members and poach the Big East.
Essentially that means there are only three major conferences - SEC, P10 and B10. And I'm sorry but that's just not accurate.
Conference memberships are fluid. They don't need to be set in stone for time eternal.
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It's like being the starting point guard of the high school basketball team and dating the smokeshow, who then leaves you for the quarterback of the football team, has an ugly breakup with the quarterback, dates around with the entire rest of the football roster while you settle down with the super cute, super sweet girl, and then having the serial dating smokeshow come crying back to you after her 10th ugly breakup in a year and being like "Sweet! I'll break up with the girl I've settled in with that is perfect for me!"
This is beyond stupid. We just got out of this situation. The second UCONN gets an invite to a P5 conference they are gone, no matter what the buyout $$ is. The absolute only way this should ever even be considered is if UCONN first drops from D1 football. If not, don't even entertain the conversation.
This.
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A point that people seem to be ignoring - UConn's current RPI is 121. That would put them eighth in the BE right now, just barely ahed of SJU. And they have been dropping like a stone. NC in '14, NIT one and done in '15, one NCAA win in '16, and not dancing this year barring a miracle. Ollie did a great job for a couple of years, but the fact remains that UConn had sustained success under one coach...and he's gone now.
UConn would have had great leverage a couple years back, but with where they are now, I'd sit back for a couple of years and see if they can actually be relevant again. They're desperate. The BE isn't.
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A point that people seem to be ignoring - UConn's current RPI is 121. That would put them eighth in the BE right now, just barely ahed of SJU. And they have been dropping like a stone. NC in '14, NIT one and done in '15, one NCAA win in '16, and not dancing this year barring a miracle. Ollie did a great job for a couple of years, but the fact remains that UConn had sustained success under one coach...and he's gone now.
UConn would have had great leverage a couple years back, but with where they are now, I'd sit back for a couple of years and see if they can actually be relevant again. They're desperate. The BE isn't.
I am highly skeptical of Ollie long term (in fact, believe he bolts to the NBA in next three years) but you discuss their RPI without context. Yukon has been devastated by injuries this year. The fact that they are in the top half of their league (substandard as it is) speaks well of their resilience.
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UConn would have had great leverage a couple years back, but with where they are now, I'd sit back for a couple of years and see if they can actually be relevant again. They're desperate. The BE isn't.
Negotiating 101: The best time to make a deal is when the other party is desperate and you are not.
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I don't see why this is an issue. We go back to 10 teams and an 18 game conference schedule. We also take some money for them leaving, but I don't know that it needs to be a ridiculous amount unless UCONN is that desperate. As long as the money per school is equal or more, I think UCONN is a no brainer.
The only thing that can threaten this conference is if the P5 start plucking basketball-only schools or if our current members with football go up a level. I'm not too worried about the latter and think we'd be a team plucked in the former.
+1
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Negotiating 101: The best time to make a deal is when the other party is desperate and you are not.
Negotiating 101, lecture #2:
And you walk away if the desperate party tries to get more than it has to give back....
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And if that happens eight years from now, good for them. Marquette can cash the checks in the meantime.
Agreed. Nothing goes on forever. Adjust as the situation dictates.
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Would Xavier ever let Cincy back in?
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Would Xavier ever let Cincy back in?
Depends if they get mugged.
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I am all for letting UConn back in to the Big East. Mostly because I currently live in CT and would love to watch MU beat them in Storrs. And I could trash talk all my coworkers. So fun.
Plus MU had some of its best seasons when it was in the Big East with UConn. Ever since the conference realignment, the Butlers (who used to play UWM twice a year) and Creightons (God only knows what conference they were in previously) of the world have somehow surpassed us in relevance. Bring UConn back and make MU great again! :P
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If UConn is let into the Big East, pound for pound, Big East has a chance to be toughest conference in the land.
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If the logistics work out, you have to accept UCONN into the Big East.
With that being said, their fans are such arrogant pricks and keep saying stuff like the AAC will catch up to the Big East because the schools put more money in (not true) and "Tulane has a bigger national image than Butler" that I wouldn't mind to see them absolutely rot it that hellish conference.
Especially when Cinci gets invited to go somewhere else.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/02/15/big-east-says-no-discussions-taken-place-uconn/
This article says no talks have took place in the title. However, it goes on to say that they have another "league source" who says talks have taken place. My guess is that where there is smoke, there is usually a fire. However, the talks be in very preliminary stages at this point. It really doesn't benefit either side to have the talks be public until something is finalized.
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Negotiating 101, lecture #2:
And you walk away if the desperate party tries to get more than it has to give back....
Agreed. I think we can a nice fat buyout and possibly give UConn a lower share for a few years as a new member.
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This is the kind of thread that makes Scoop great. A lot of good points made on both sides here.
I am quite undecided. See the advantages and disadvantages. I guess we will have to let the Athletic Departments and Fox sort this one out.
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Repay the Big East exit fees UCONN cashed and we can talk reentry. Their admin has looked wantonly at every league and has been rejected like a two bit hooker. AMF
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The Big East isn't your Average Joe. It's already someone that is dating Jennifer Lawrence, and worthy of that.
Agreed, but here, the scenario is essentially:
We are dating Jennifer Lawrence. Kate Upton comes up to us and says, she wants to date you. You nicely explain, in front of Jennifer, that you are already taken. Jennifer quickly chimes in, I'm ok with her joining the party. Kate says, she's down with that too.
No way you say no, because eventually Kate might leave and then you are back to only getting Jennifer...enjoy the ride while you can.
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Still amazes me to see all these top recruits still end up in rural Storrs, CT. Last year when I was there I had to dodge an angry skunk outside their basketball arena.
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If Randy Edsall can turn Uconn's football program around again I can see a major football conference come calling.
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If Randy Edsall can turn Uconn's football program around again I can see a major football conference come calling.
I doubt it. Too many media contracts tied up for years and UConn won't bring the eyeballs to renegotiate.
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I doubt it. Too many media contracts tied up for years and UConn won't bring the eyeballs to renegotiate.
The big 12 may need to add two teams in the future in order to have a conf championship game to keep up with the other major conferences. If Uconn has one of the best football teams of the lower 5 conferences they would be an intriguing option if you left out geography. However, we've seen geography doesn't take priority with re-alignment. Houston and SMU makes sense geographically, but who knows how good Houston will be in football going forward without Tom Herman. Two options for the big 12 are Memphis, who has an up-and-coming football program and South Florida, who just hired Charlie Strong.
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This is the kind of thread that makes Scoop great. A lot of good points made on both sides here.
Nicely said. Every once in awhile, amidst all the poop, a flower blooms!
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One thing I forgot. The Big East schools signed over their digital rights to Fox. Essentially, this means that until 2026, no other channel can air Big East basketball without Fox' permission. So if UConn were to join, they too would sign over their digital rights to Fox. If they were to leave for say the ACC, they wouldn't be allowed to broadcast on ESPN. Of course that can be negotiated, but it essentially creates two buyouts. And my guess is that Fox would make that buyout very severe if they were going to lose programming to their number 1 competitor.
If UConn were to join, they would be stuck in the Big East...until 2026 at least.
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Agreed, but here, the scenario is essentially:
We are dating Jennifer Lawrence. Kate Upton comes up to us and says, she wants to date you. You nicely explain, in front of Jennifer, that you are already taken. Jennifer quickly chimes in, I'm ok with her joining the party. Kate says, she's down with that too.
No way you say no, because eventually Kate might leave and then you are back to only getting Jennifer...enjoy the ride while you can.
The problem then is JLaw says, hey remember to keep that awesome schedule we have going, you have to take Upton and this girl Carrot Top.
All of a sudden you're checking out this Carrot Top girl from Dayton, Ohio. You know you are not taking Carrot Top for the team, hell you aren't even sure Carrot Top is a woman.
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The problem then is JLaw says, hey remember to keep that awesome schedule we have going, you have to take Upton and this girl Carrot Top.
All of a sudden you're checking out this Carrot Top girl from Dayton, Ohio. You know you are not taking Carrot Top for the team, hell you aren't even sure Carrot Top is a woman.
How many props can fit in a Chevy Cavalier?
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DO it for the women's program.
The men can join as well.
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The big 12 may need to add two teams in the future in order to have a conf championship game to keep up with the other major conferences. If Uconn has one of the best football teams of the lower 5 conferences they would be an intriguing option if you left out geography. However, we've seen geography doesn't take priority with re-alignment. Houston and SMU makes sense geographically, but who knows how good Houston will be in football going forward without Tom Herman. Two options for the big 12 are Memphis, who has an up-and-coming football program and South Florida, who just hired Charlie Strong.
The B12 can have a championship game with only 10. That is why they chose not to expand when they were seriously considering it just a few months ago. Their tv partners didn't want it.
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How many props can fit in a Chevy Cavalier?
Too many.
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The problem then is JLaw says, hey remember to keep that awesome schedule we have going, you have to take Upton and this girl Carrot Top.
All of a sudden you're checking out this Carrot Top girl from Dayton, Ohio. You know you are not taking Carrot Top for the team, hell you aren't even sure Carrot Top is a woman.
While I really enjoy the analogy, this just isn't correct, we don't have to take Carrot Top girl. We can go to 11 teams, play a 20 game round robin schedule and figure out how to get members some OOC games during conference season (Gonzaga and St Marys anyone?) and we're good to go.
Basically it's like JLaw and Kate saying we really like redheads and us saying, well instead of getting that Carrot Top girl, how about we agree to dress in drag and red wig from time to time.
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I am highly skeptical of Ollie long term (in fact, believe he bolts to the NBA in next three years) but you discuss their RPI without context. Yukon has been devastated by injuries this year. The fact that they are in the top half of their league (substandard as it is) speaks well of their resilience.
Yes, they have four (4) players out-for-the-season all who would get significant playing minutes plus they had another top player miss several key games with a concussion.
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And if that happens eight years from now, good for them. Marquette can cash the checks in the meantime.
Exactly! Then the Big East just goes back to... its exact same excellent current state with 10 teams that aren't going anywhere. No downside, only upside.
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Marquette should leave the Big East and play with their owne kind in the A-10 or Conference USA.
Let schools with better BOT's have their league.
The other night I watched Syracuse play Louisville and W.V. play Kansas and there was NO COMPARISON to the so-called Big Eadt or especially Marquette.
It is not Wojoes fault or the players it is the BOT.
Al McGuire was forced out just like Buzz.
So much for affermative action, our BOT thinks Marquette is Bucknell, Princeton or NYU.
We are no better than Fordham, George Mason, St. Bonaventure or VCU. We should be playing Richmond and not St. Johns or Seton Hall.
Marquette will never be Duke or Northwestern.
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Marquette should leave the Big East and play with their owne kind in the A-10 or Conference USA.
Let schools with better BOT's have their league.
The other night I watched Syracuse play Louisville and W.V. play Kansas and there was NO COMPARISON to the so-called Big Eadt or especially Marquette.
It is not Wojoes fault or the players it is the BOT.
Al McGuire was forced out just like Buzz.
So much for affermative action, our BOT thinks Marquette is Bucknell, Princeton or NYU.
We are no better than Fordham, George Mason, St. Bonaventure or VCU. We should be playing Richmond and not St. Johns or Seton Hall.
Marquette will never be Duke or Northwestern.
Hilarious. Well done.
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Before I'd take UCONN I'd take Gonzaga, St. Mary's, SLU, Dayton, Richmond, VCU, Wichita State, George Washington, and probably many others. And I want nothing to do with any of those schools.
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Before I'd take UCONN I'd take Gonzaga, St. Mary's, SLU, Dayton, Richmond, VCU, Wichita State, George Washington, and probably many others. And I want nothing to do with any of those schools.
Lol. At least you're consistent.
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Before I'd take UCONN I'd take Gonzaga, St. Mary's, SLU, Dayton, Richmond, VCU, Wichita State, George Washington, and probably many others. And I want nothing to do with any of those schools.
Wow so your argument is based on emotion alone, good call
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Wow so your argument is based on emotion alone, good call
No. It's based on taking schools that would be like minded in their basketball focus and not schools that are looking for a place that will provide a band aid for them until they can find a conference to jump to as soon as possible.
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No. It's based on taking schools that would be like minded in their basketball focus and not schools that are looking for a place that will provide a band aid for them until they can find a conference to jump to as soon as possible.
There is no logic that put's Gonazaga over UConn let alone the rest of your list. Gonzaga would bring in little to no additional revenue for the conference and would actually cost the conference more money in the long run because of travel costs associated with the non-revenue sports.
Even if UConn rents the Big East for several years until some unicorn offer from a power conference comes along the Big East will still be better off.
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Before I'd take UCONN I'd take Gonzaga, St. Mary's, SLU, Dayton, Richmond, VCU, Wichita State, George Washington, and probably many others. And I want nothing to do with any of those schools.
You've already broken the ABD rule.
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There is no logic that put's Gonazaga over UConn let alone the rest of your list. Gonzaga would bring in little to no additional revenue for the conference and would actually cost the conference more money in the long run because of travel costs associated with the non-revenue sports.
Even if UConn rents the Big East for several years until some unicorn offer from a power conference comes along the Big East will still be better off.
Right. This is why the original girlfriend analogy was a poor one. This isn't an emotional decision based on a potential life partner. This is a business decision that balances the short and long term financial interests of the conference.
No one can really tell me what the downside is if UConn joins and leaves in five years if we can cash bigger checks in the meantime.
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Right. This is why the original girlfriend analogy was a poor one. This isn't an emotional decision based on a potential life partner. This is a business decision that balances the short and long term financial interests of the conference.
No one can really tell me what the downside is if UConn joins and leaves in five years if we can cash bigger checks in the meantime.
How much more money do people actually think UCONN will be bringing to the conference? Do people really think Fox is going to pony up for the opportunity to temporarily put one extra program in the conference?
There is no possible way that UCONN adds such a substantial amount of money that you don't pass them up if Gonzaga doesn't even bring in enough to cover travel costs for a west coast trip every other year for non-revenue sports teams. Sorry, but somebody will have to provide me with the money involved to get me to believe that.
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You've already broken the ABD rule.
I see your ABD and will raise you WFW (Whatever Fox Wants).
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I think the more accurate comparison is the Big East is your standard average Joe. He is somehow given the chance to date Jennifer Lawrence (insert your own favorite celebrity crush). He knows there's a good chance they will break up after a few years, but what a few years those will be!
Well there's a girl that lives up the block
back in school she could turn all the boy's heads
Sometimes on a Friday I'll stop by
and have a few drinks after she put her kids to bed
Her and her husband Bobby well they split up
I guess it's two years gone by now
We just sit around talking about the old times,
she says when she feels like crying
she starts laughing thinking about
Glory days well they'll pass you by
Glory days in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days
UConn is not Jennifer Lawrence. UConn is the world-weary woman in "Glory Days." She broke your heart when she started flirting with any football player who turned a head in her direction. For years, you may have even thought she was "the one that got away," and were nostalgic about what used to be. But then you see her a few years later dancing for dollars. A few extra pounds. A few extra scars. Tired. Run-down. Starved for attention. She ain't the girl she used to be.
Remember, you're not getting Jim Calhoun's UConn. You're getting Kevin Ollie's UConn, which, all respect to Ollie, but that 2014 UConn team was Calhoun's guys. Since then...
2014-15: UConn finished 5th in the American with a record of 20-15 (10-8). They lost at home to Arizona State in the First Round of the NIT.
2015-16: UConn finished 6th in the American with a record of 25-11 (11-7). A Georgetown team that went 15-18, and finished 8th in the Big East, beat UConn by 6 in Storrs. The Huskies only qualified for the NCAA Tournament by winning the American conference tournament. They lost in the second round.
2016-17: UConn is 12-12 (7-5), and currently sitting in 5th in the American. They lost to Wagner and Northeastern at home. They eked out wins over Loyola Marymount and Boston University. They lost at home to an Auburn team that is currently in 11th place in the SEC. They lost away to a Georgetown team that is 9th in the Big East.
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No. It's based on taking schools that would be like minded in their basketball focus and not schools that are looking for a place that will provide a band aid for them until they can find a conference to jump to as soon as possible.
Some people are more susceptible to advertising and propaganda than others. That is the party line, I don't buy it.
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How much more money do people actually think UCONN will be bringing to the conference? Do people really think Fox is going to pony up for the opportunity to temporarily put one extra program in the conference?
There is no possible way that UCONN adds such a substantial amount of money that you don't pass them up if Gonzaga doesn't even bring in enough to cover travel costs for a west coast trip every other year for non-revenue sports teams. Sorry, but somebody will have to provide me with the money involved to get me to believe that.
The well is going to run dry and sooner than we think.
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Well there's a girl that lives up the block
back in school she could turn all the boy's heads
Sometimes on a Friday I'll stop by
and have a few drinks after she put her kids to bed
Her and her husband Bobby well they split up
I guess it's two years gone by now
We just sit around talking about the old times,
she says when she feels like crying
she starts laughing thinking about
Glory days well they'll pass you by
Glory days in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days
UConn is not Jennifer Lawrence. UConn is the world-weary woman in "Glory Days." She broke your heart when she started flirting with any football player who turned a head in her direction. For years, you may have even thought she was "the one that got away," and were nostalgic about what used to be. But then you see her a few years later dancing for dollars. A few extra pounds. A few extra scars. Tired. Run-down. Starved for attention. She ain't the girl she used to be.
Remember, you're not getting Jim Calhoun's UConn. You're getting Kevin Ollie's UConn, which, all respect to Ollie, but that 2014 UConn team was Calhoun's guys. Since then...
2014-15: UConn finished 5th in the American with a record of 20-15 (10-8). They lost at home to Arizona State in the First Round of the NIT.
2015-16: UConn finished 6th in the American with a record of 25-11 (11-7). A Georgetown team that went 15-18, and finished 8th in the Big East, beat UConn by 6 in Storrs. The Huskies only qualified for the NCAA Tournament by winning the American conference tournament. They lost in the second round.
2016-17: UConn is 12-12 (7-5), and currently sitting in 5th in the American. They lost to Wagner and Northeastern at home. They eked out wins over Loyola Marymount and Boston University. They lost at home to an Auburn team that is currently in 11th place in the SEC. They lost away to a Georgetown team that is 9th in the Big East.
Well put. Jim Calhoun isn't walking back through those gym doors for UCONN.
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How much more money do people actually think UCONN will be bringing to the conference? Do people really think Fox is going to pony up for the opportunity to temporarily put one extra program in the conference?
There is no possible way that UCONN adds such a substantial amount of money that you don't pass them up if Gonzaga doesn't even bring in enough to cover travel costs for a west coast trip every other year for non-revenue sports teams. Sorry, but somebody will have to provide me with the money involved to get me to believe that.
I don't know what Fox would bring to the table. If they don't bring enough, then you don't add them. If they sweeten the pot so that everyone gets more, then you consider it.
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No. It's based on taking schools that would be like minded in their basketball focus and not schools that are looking for a place that will provide a band aid for them until they can find a conference to jump to as soon as possible.
Again, if UConn joined, they couldn't leave until 2026 at the earliest. By then, the next round of realignment would have happened and no one will be looking at UConn to join. The move is likely to be more permanent than you think.
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UConn is not Jennifer Lawrence. UConn is the world-weary woman in "Glory Days." She broke your heart when she started flirting with any football player who turned a head in her direction. For years, you may have even thought she was "the one that got away," and were nostalgic about what used to be. But then you see her a few years later dancing for dollars. A few extra pounds. A few extra scars. Tired. Run-down. Starved for attention. She ain't the girl she used to be.
Nope. UConn is JLaw after a bad break up. She's down, needs some time to wear sweatpants and eat Ben and Jerry's, but will be back on her feet in no time. Remember, UConn has 4 key players injured and a 5th one missed multiple games due to concussion. No team can stay competitive after injuries like that.
We can stick up our noses all we want, but UConn is a better and more prestigious program than any currently in the Big East. The biggest criticism I hear against the Big East is the lack of marquee program. Villanova might become that, but they aren't there yet. UConn adds a legitimate blue blood to the Big East. Takes us from 3rd or 4th best basketball conference to 2nd.
The other reality is, expansion is happening whether you like it or not. Before 2026, we need to add at least one, if not more programs to make ourselves more attractive to Fox. Wades, has made it clear that thinks there are better candidates. But I really don't think there is a bigger fish that we could land. UConn is a program that moves the needle. Its a team people are excited to play against. It renews a lot of old rivalries from the Big East. This is a rare opportunity where a deal would truly benefit both sides.
If Fox is willing to pony up the extra cash for UConn, home run. If not, than no.
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We don't know what the FOX contract really looks like. There's a chance it could say that if certain revenues or ratings are being met, FOX can re-open it. Adding UConn might be a pacifier / solution to FOX rather than a way of getting more money.
Do this deal in a heartbeat. Make the deal points work for you.
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Nope. UConn is JLaw after a bad break up. She's down, needs some time to wear sweatpants and eat Ben and Jerry's, but will be back on her feet in no time. Remember, UConn has 4 key players injured and a 5th one missed multiple games due to concussion. No team can stay competitive after injuries like that.
We can stick up our noses all we want, but UConn is a better and more prestigious program than any currently in the Big East. The biggest criticism I hear against the Big East is the lack of marquee program. Villanova might become that, but they aren't there yet. UConn adds a legitimate blue blood to the Big East. Takes us from 3rd or 4th best basketball conference to 2nd.
The other reality is, expansion is happening whether you like it or not. Before 2026, we need to add at least one, if not more programs to make ourselves more attractive to Fox. Wades, has made it clear that thinks there are better candidates. But I really don't think there is a bigger fish that we could land. UConn is a program that moves the needle. Its a team people are excited to play against. It renews a lot of old rivalries from the Big East. This is a rare opportunity where a deal would truly benefit both sides.
If Fox is willing to pony up the extra cash for UConn, home run. If not, than no.
Yep yep.
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Nope. UConn is JLaw after a bad break up. She's down, needs some time to wear sweatpants and eat Ben and Jerry's, but will be back on her feet in no time. Remember, UConn has 4 key players injured and a 5th one missed multiple games due to concussion. No team can stay competitive after injuries like that.
We can stick up our noses all we want, but UConn is a better and more prestigious program than any currently in the Big East. The biggest criticism I hear against the Big East is the lack of marquee program. Villanova might become that, but they aren't there yet. UConn adds a legitimate blue blood to the Big East. Takes us from 3rd or 4th best basketball conference to 2nd.
The other reality is, expansion is happening whether you like it or not. Before 2026, we need to add at least one, if not more programs to make ourselves more attractive to Fox. Wades, has made it clear that thinks there are better candidates. But I really don't think there is a bigger fish that we could land. UConn is a program that moves the needle. Its a team people are excited to play against. It renews a lot of old rivalries from the Big East. This is a rare opportunity where a deal would truly benefit both sides.
If Fox is willing to pony up the extra cash for UConn, home run. If not, than no.
I'd also point out that if UCONN is the Glory Days lady, MU is something worse. I have no doubt our program will return to one of the top programs in the country but we are further down than UCONN so should the Big East kick us out and bring in UCONN? Chicklet's argument would seem to come to that conclusion
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I'll believe UConn joins the Big East when I see it.
It's not about our level of interest. UConn simply doesn't want to be in the Big East. And the only reason why is football.
The administration at UConn is mesmerized by the money and prestige of major college football. Big 12 schools each receive $30 million a year; the entire AAC gets $18 million. UConn believes it truly belongs at that level and that without big-time football, it will forever be seen as a second-tier university. Real-world economics has little to do with it. The more financial pressure the state applies, the more desperately school leaders look to the miracle of football as the answer. They're beyond seeing logic.
Finding another home for the football program is not the answer. No such home exists. The ACC and Big 12 aren't interested. And as long as UConn continues to believe it belongs in a power football conference, anyplace else would be a downgrade. (Not to mention the fact that there's not a lot in it for the AAC or MAC to have UConn as a football-only member).
The situation reminds me of Aesop's "The Dog And Its Reflection." A dog (the UConn Huskies, natch) with a bone (a great basketball program) looks down as it's crossing a stream and sees its own reflection in the water. Taking it for another dog carrying something better (football), it opens its mouth to bark at the "other" dog — and drops what it was carrying.
UConn's obsession with football will ultimately be its undoing.
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I'd also point out that if UCONN is the Glory Days lady, MU is something worse. I have no doubt our program will return to one of the top programs in the country but we are further down than UCONN so should the Big East kick us out and bring in UCONN? Chicklet's argument would seem to come to that conclusion
We are trending up, UCONN is trending down. And we're already in the conference, don't have a football program, and aren't looking to bounce ASAP.
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About 10 minutes ago I had an opinion about this. At this point I just want more threesome analogies woven together with some pop songs. How about Jenifer Aniston. Angela Jolie and a Neil Young song. Go. Feel free to edit my girl friend and music choices.
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Well there's a girl that lives up the block
back in school she could turn all the boy's heads
Sometimes on a Friday I'll stop by
and have a few drinks after she put her kids to bed
Her and her husband Bobby well they split up
I guess it's two years gone by now
We just sit around talking about the old times,
she says when she feels like crying
she starts laughing thinking about
Glory days well they'll pass you by
Glory days in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days
UConn is not Jennifer Lawrence. UConn is the world-weary woman in "Glory Days." She broke your heart when she started flirting with any football player who turned a head in her direction. For years, you may have even thought she was "the one that got away," and were nostalgic about what used to be. But then you see her a few years later dancing for dollars. A few extra pounds. A few extra scars. Tired. Run-down. Starved for attention. She ain't the girl she used to be.
Remember, you're not getting Jim Calhoun's UConn. You're getting Kevin Ollie's UConn, which, all respect to Ollie, but that 2014 UConn team was Calhoun's guys. Since then...
2014-15: UConn finished 5th in the American with a record of 20-15 (10-8). They lost at home to Arizona State in the First Round of the NIT.
2015-16: UConn finished 6th in the American with a record of 25-11 (11-7). A Georgetown team that went 15-18, and finished 8th in the Big East, beat UConn by 6 in Storrs. The Huskies only qualified for the NCAA Tournament by winning the American conference tournament. They lost in the second round.
2016-17: UConn is 12-12 (7-5), and currently sitting in 5th in the American. They lost to Wagner and Northeastern at home. They eked out wins over Loyola Marymount and Boston University. They lost at home to an Auburn team that is currently in 11th place in the SEC. They lost away to a Georgetown team that is 9th in the Big East.
just curious, how does our resume look over those same three years?
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It's not about whether UConn's basketball program is good enough.
It's about money and priorities. UConn's eyes are on football money. Football is their priority.
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Here's a long rant from the Hartford Courant following the Big 12's decision not to expand, with some selected excerpts of interest and commentary:
http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-jacobs-column-power-five-1024-20161023-column.html (http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-jacobs-column-power-five-1024-20161023-column.html)
"After the shameless beauty pageant by the Big 12, essentially having great universities put on their heels and spin around to be ogled, it's time for the Big 12 to be judged."
UConn was a more than willing participant, going to the extent of buying advertising space in Texas to help support their case. You wouldn't hear a peep of complaint from UConn if they had been accepted for expansion. But now they're sore losers railing against the unfairness of the Power 5 system. That's rich.
"In fairness to Cincinnati, to BYU, to Houston, to Boise State, to UConn, to USF and UCF and a dozen other schools, things need to change."
Ummm, wasn't UConn ready to drop Cincy, Houston and the rest of the AAC if it was chosen by the Big 12? Now you're the advocate of the little guy, the down-trodden, the oppressed, the ignored? Really?
"The Power 5 conferences essentially can act as a cartel, restricting membership, doling out hundreds of millions of dollars to long-standing weaker conference cronies while more competitive athletic programs are left on the outside."
Since football programs like Duke or Kansas have been doormats for a long time, they have no more right to be in a Power 5 conference than UConn. And apparently conferences shouldn't be able to make their own membership decisions or make broadcast agreements that exclude schools such as UConn.
"The massive problem is the Power 5 conferences are distributing $30 million to their schools. UConn got $10 million last year, mainly because of money from the dissolution of the Big East."
UConn thinks it's entitled to Power 5 money. Who cares if nobody wants to watch UConn football, or if companies aren't willing to pay big money to advertise on UConn football broadcasts.
This school and its supporters are simply delusional.
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I have held the opinion since 2013 that UConn's membership in the American was simply not sustainable. It was a temporary stopgap - either with an invitation to the ACC or B1G, or a reunion with the Big East. UConn has nothing, absolutely nothing, in common academically, athletically, institutionally or locationally with schools like Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, UCF, USF, Temple, and Memphis. Cincinnati could be made as an argument for, but that is only because they shared a conference affiliation for eight years in the old Big East.
The problem with UConn's current situation is that their administration and fan base believe they are entitled to a position in a power conference, in which case they are not - not due to personal opinion, but rather the power conferences have decided that. They were late to the game in starting football. They have not created a sustained and competitive football program, even with all of the resources they have poured into it. They have not competed well against the likes of Houston, Memphis, Temple, Cincinnati, UCF, USF and even Tulane.
Football is the problem - not the solution - to UConn's athletic future. They need to cut their losses and make the financially responsible decision and de-emphasize FBS football, and focus on their bread and butter: basketball.
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just curious, how does our resume look over those same three years?
I see what you did there ;D ;D ;D
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Speaking of delusional UConn fans. The thread on the Boneyard on this is hilarious. There seems to be three camps. 1. Screw the Big East, we're gonna get into the ACC or B1G one day. 2. Go to the Big East, we can always join the ACC or B1G later. 3. Screw football, let's get into the Big East now. The first one is the biggest camp, but camps 2 and 3 are bigger combined.
Included in the Boneyard thread are several gems including:
"People care more about Tulane basketball than Butler."
"AAC schools make more than BE schools."
"Recruits would rather play in the AAC because they will enjoy travelling to Houston and Dallas more than Milwaukee and Omaha."
"The AAC will overpasss the Big East soon because they invest more in coach's salaries and facility improvements."
My favorite exchange was this though:
"Why would leave the AAC now? It is just on the verge of becoming basketball relevant"
"You just answered your own question"
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"Why would leave the AAC now? It is just on the verge of becoming basketball relevant"
"You just answered your own question"
Queue SMU18's rant about Marquette coming begging to ask for admission into the A-10
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just curious, how does our resume look over those same three years?
1.) I don't think anyone is claiming that the last three years of MU have been J-Law level beauty.
2.) Last I checked, the Big East hadn't adopted promotion and relegation, so our credentials for Big East membership are pretty well established by virtue of the fact that we are already Big East members.
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DO it for the women's program.
The men can join as well.
They wouldn't have a 100 game win streak if they played in the Big East.
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Hilarious. Well done.
Thanks, amazing how deluded some me people can become. The Board of Trustees have set down their mark, got it, now we live with it, period.
At the time Al McGuire retired, before his last BIG win, he gave as the reason for his retirement that he could no longer recruit the caliber of prayer necessary to be competitive at the highest level.
Now 40 years later, and after the Buzz fiasco, I get it.
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They wouldn't have a 100 game win streak if they played in the Big East.
False - have you actually looked at the schedule that they play?
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They wouldn't have a 100 game win streak if they played in the Big East.
Why?
They haven't dodged anybody. They play anybody, anywhere. Why would Butler and Marquette and even DePaul be tougher than any of the top-10 teams they play and routinely beat by 20+ points.
That streak is amazing, and the UConn women are the best dynasty in major sports, pro or college. I mean, who else is even close?
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Yeah the UConn ladies are terrified to play a big East schedule......lol
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just curious, how does our resume look over those same three years?
Our resume is weak...and if we were on the outside trying to get in, I'd expect a cool reception from the BE.
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Our resume is weak...and if we were on the outside trying to get in, I'd expect a cool reception from the BE.
Me thinks there is some serious truth in that short comment. Is anybody listening, short answer, no.
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Our resume is weak...and if we were on the outside trying to get in, I'd expect a cool reception from the BE.
Meaningless and unproveable.
We aren't on the outside trying to get in. We are in. We aren't going anywhere.
#actualfacts
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Meaningless and unproveable.
We aren't on the outside trying to get in. We are in. We aren't going anywhere.
#actualfacts
Do you want to bet? Just kidding. Love the loyalty, but MU was at it's best when it was an independent, we had a chip on our shoulder. I know the world has changed and that is my point.
Hope my spelling meets your standards.
Some teams are in weak leagues and play a strong non-conference schedule while some teams are in a strong conference and play a weak non-conference, there are many ways to skin a cat.
The product I saw at Madison Square Garden in the St. Johns game was not a competitive product. It did not pass the eye test and not because of "this year" or the players or the coach. As was said, if we were not in the Big East, we would not be invited in.
It seems to me that is a very big problem that goes to the very top of the basketball program. Delusional thinking is the word that comes to mind.
I don't care how much MU pays or does not pay for it's program, the philosophy of the program is flawed as currently constituted in the B.E.
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Agreed, but here, the scenario is essentially:
We are dating Jennifer Lawrence. Kate Upton comes up to us and says, she wants to date you. You nicely explain, in front of Jennifer, that you are already taken. Jennifer quickly chimes in, I'm ok with her joining the party. Kate says, she's down with that too.
No way you say no, because eventually Kate might leave and then you are back to only getting Jennifer...enjoy the ride while you can.
One hell of a 3 way, hey?
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Cant belive no one has done some basic research on this yet. I did a quick google search on this and theres plenty of articles/links stating UCONNs A.D as well as the Big East Conf have both denied rumours that UCONN has been talking with the BE about possible expansion. It aint happening guys. never seemed realistic anyways
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Cant belive no one has done some basic research on this yet. I did a quick google search on this and theres plenty of articles/links stating UCONNs A.D as well as the Big East Conf have both denied rumours that UCONN has been talking with the BE about possible expansion. It aint happening guys. never seemed realistic anyways
Already been discussed, and neither UCONN or the Big East are going to come out and say that "oh yea were absolutely talking about a deal" during the middle of the basketball season. Thats just silly.
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Meaningless and unproveable.
We aren't on the outside trying to get in. We are in. We aren't going anywhere.
#actualfacts
The underlined was my point....
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Cant belive no one has done some basic research on this yet. I did a quick google search on this and theres plenty of articles/links stating UCONNs A.D as well as the Big East Conf have both denied rumours that UCONN has been talking with the BE about possible expansion. It aint happening guys. never seemed realistic anyways
Jon Rothstein is sticking by his story.
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Our resume is weak...and if we were on the outside trying to get in, I'd expect a cool reception from the BE.
Who would be invited instead?
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Cant belive no one has done some basic research on this yet. I did a quick google search on this and theres plenty of articles/links stating UCONNs A.D as well as the Big East Conf have both denied rumours that UCONN has been talking with the BE about possible expansion. It aint happening guys. never seemed realistic anyways
No. Those have been brought up in this thread (if you did some basic research ;)).
And what do you expect them to say in this situation? Pitt and Syracuse denied any talks with the ACC until it was practically #donedeal. It benefits neither side to admit to the talks until there is something concrete to talk about.
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Who would be invited instead?
That's not the point, but I'll bite, probably an East Coast team.
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No. Those have been brought up in this thread (if you did some basic research ;)).
And what do you expect them to say in this situation? Pitt and Syracuse denied any talks with the ACC until it was practically #donedeal. It benefits neither side to admit to the talks until there is something concrete to talk about.
Of course.
Deny, deny, deny ... until you are forced to admit the truth. That's the way the world works!
Rothstein is a good reporter. I believe him more than I believe some honcho playing CMA.
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Meaningless and unproveable.
We aren't on the outside trying to get in. We are in. We aren't going anywhere.
#actualfacts
So we are saying that membership is for life, like the Supreme Court. No matter how bad it gets, like DePaul, or perhaps MU in a few years, the membership continues. Cool, then pull the plug on the spending and pocket the money and ride the gravy train. Or at least get our spending in line with the other members.
Or am I missing something, we like being the deep pocket big spender, gives a little swagger to our court presence. When we come to town it is as the big a$$ team from Wisconsin.
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That's not the point, but I'll bite, probably an East Coast team.
Like who? Cmon...don't cop out. Be specific.
You don't understand why programs are selected for conferences. They are selected because of the historic strength of the program and the media markets they open up. A smart conference isn't going to look at a four year stretch of not making the post-season, and ignore the three straight sixteens beforehand. They aren't going to ignore attendance figures. They aren't going to ignore history.
The fact is that if MU was outside the BE right now, and it wanted to add one more team, Marquette would still be a very strong and logical contender.
All the self-hating complaining is just so f*cking tiresome.
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As was said, if we were not in the Big East, we would not be invited in.
It seems to me that is a very big problem that goes to the very top of the basketball program. Delusional thinking is the word that comes to mind.
I don't care how much MU pays or does not pay for it's program, the philosophy of the program is flawed as currently constituted in the B.E.
What is your point? If MU wasn't in the Big East now we wouldn't be invited, so that means we should just quit?
The recent level of play of the program isn't worthy of being in the league so MU should just quit?
We were better when we were independent, therefore being in the Big East is bad and we should drop out of the conference?
We simply can't recruit the players needed to win championships as a member of the Big East, so we should quit and go to a worse league and expect the situation to get better?
The BoT spends too much money on basketball being in the Big East and we're bad, so we should quit the league, go to a worse conference, spend less money on the program and somehow wind up getting better?
What are you talking about??
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Why?
They haven't dodged anybody. They play anybody, anywhere. Why would Butler and Marquette and even DePaul be tougher than any of the top-10 teams they play and routinely beat by 20+ points.
That streak is amazing, and the UConn women are the best dynasty in major sports, pro or college. I mean, who else is even close?
You really needed me to use teal?
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Our resume is weak...and if we were on the outside trying to get in, I'd expect a cool reception from the BE.
1.) Worth remembering that, as bad as Marquette is, they're nowhere near as bad as DePaul in the years before the Big East reformed, and DePaul got in.
2.) This entire line of thought is vacuous blather, existing solely in the realm of a hypothetical world lacking any overlap with reality. In other words, "Yea, and if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops."
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The on-court success of UConn women's basketball, while amazing, is also irrelevant to the discussion of conference alignment. Women's college basketball simply doesn't impact the bottom line like the men's game.
After winning its fourth straight national title last season, the Huskies women's program earned $4 million in revenue while incurring $5.7 million in expenses (according to the U.S. Department of Education). Not one women's program in the country runs in the black. For comparison, the Marquette men's program generates $15 million in revenue against $9 million in expenses.
The women's title game was watched by just 3 million households — compared to 22 million viewers for the men's matchup between Villanova and North Carolina.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-financial-impact-of-championship-basketball/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-financial-impact-of-championship-basketball/)
http://college-sports.pointafter.com/l/15847/Marquette-University-Basketball (http://college-sports.pointafter.com/l/15847/Marquette-University-Basketball)
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/04/07/uconn-womens-basketball-ncaa-womens-tournament-tv-ratings/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/04/07/uconn-womens-basketball-ncaa-womens-tournament-tv-ratings/)
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/ncaa-mens-basketball-title-game-ratings-tumble-on-cable-1201745947/ (http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/ncaa-mens-basketball-title-game-ratings-tumble-on-cable-1201745947/)
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UConn makes the Big East better for both men's and women's basketball. If the dollars make sense, you bring them in and if they leave at some point in time, who cares. The league won't be crippled by them leaving. In the meantime, 2 less cupcakes on the menu.
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The on-court success of UConn women's basketball, while amazing, is also irrelevant to the discussion of conference alignment. Women's college basketball simply doesn't impact the bottom line like the men's game.
True but some UConn's womens' games have actually generated decent ratings. The game against South Carolina was the highest rated game this season on ESPN2.
http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-womens-basketball/hc-uconn-women-ratings-0215-20170214-story.html
I'm not sure that Fox ever plays women's games now. UConn Women's ball would give them another product to put on TV that would draw more eyes than some of things they currently have at some slots. I'd rather watch UConn v. Tennessee women's than Depaul vs. Directional State men's.
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UConn makes the Big East better for both men's and women's basketball. If the dollars make sense, you bring them in and if they leave at some point in time, who cares. The league won't be crippled by them leaving. In the meantime, 2 less cupcakes on the menu.
Perfect summary you got there.
Costs
*Taking them back looks like we're taking back a promiscuous ex
*Their mascot enables rape culture
Benefits
*UCONN is a bonafide blueblood
*History with Big East
*NYC market, MSG, etc.
*Fewer cupcakes
*Women's team
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I like it. Add UConn, subtract DePaul. DePaul needs to go to Conf. USA or Horizon league where they belong.
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Perfect summary you got there.
Costs
*Taking them back looks like we're taking back a promiscuous ex
*Their mascot enables rape culture
Benefits
*UCONN is a bonafide blueblood
*History with Big East
*NYC market, MSG, etc.
*Fewer cupcakes
*Women's team
I've heard this joke a couple of times. Where did it come from?
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I like it. Add UConn, subtract DePaul. DePaul needs to go to Conf. USA or Horizon league where they belong.
Be careful, it might be add UC subtract MU, or add UC plus one and subtract MU +DePaul, ouch.
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Be careful, it might be add UC subtract MU, or add UC plus one and subtract MU +DePaul, ouch.
They won't subtract anyone. Stop being dumb.
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That's not the point, but I'll bite, probably an East Coast team.
Dayton and SLU, of course. :)
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Be careful, it might be add UC subtract MU, or add UC plus one and subtract MU +DePaul, ouch.
If people were dropped from the conference (which wouldn't happen) Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier, Seton Hall, and Providence would all be on the chopping block before Marquette.
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Lookie there, what I've been saying for the past 4 years. Now we just need Notre Dame.
Hey dont get greedy! I just hired a notre dame grad, and he said tounge in cheek, "you may not know this Mr. Pudner, but Notre Dame used to be a football school.
Take UConn in a heartbeat, and 20-game round robin perfect.
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I've heard this joke a couple of times. Where did it come from?
After UCONN unveiled the new mascot, some undergrad or humanities grad student went off on a blog post about how the husky has the intimidating, evil stare of a rapist. Something along those lines.
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If people were dropped from the conference (which wouldn't happen) Depaul, Creighton, Butler, Xavier, Seton Hall, and Providence would all be on the chopping block before Marquette.
This is a hypothetical and never to occur scenario you are all discussing, which is why I love scoop, but growing up in RI I was a Friar fan before a Marquette fan and trust me, PC (and Seton Hall, for that matter) would NEVER get chopped before MU. Not only are the founding fathers of the BE Friar legends, but the program is strong and storied. That said, I'll be rooting for us hard next week, that is a big game we must win.
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I like it. Add UConn, subtract DePaul. DePaul needs to go to Conf. USA or Horizon league where they belong.
Why? There are more programs than Men's basketball. DePaul is arguably as strong or than MU across all common sports.
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Everyone who wants to hold on to this all Hoops aspect is missing the point. Leverage. Keep the leverage it doesn't matter who teams 11 & 12 are. It could be UConn & Cinci, as long as basketball schools have the numbers we have the leverage and we can add whoever. All this stuff about Dayton and SLU is just plain embarrassing. UConn, Cinci & Gonzaga should be only schools considered.
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Why? There are more programs than Men's basketball. DePaul is arguably as strong or than MU across all common sports.
Like what? Certainly not volleyball, womens soccer, track, golf or tennis. Lacrosse as well only because they dont have a team.
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This is a hypothetical and never to occur scenario you are all discussing, which is why I love scoop, but growing up in RI I was a Friar fan before a Marquette fan and trust me, PC (and Seton Hall, for that matter) would NEVER get chopped before MU. Not only are the founding fathers of the BE Friar legends, but the program is strong and storied. That said, I'll be rooting for us hard next week, that is a big game we must win.
Providence is the one I wasn't sure on including in my list or not. But Seton Hall is absolutely on that list. Their school is nearly bankrupt. I'm not convinced they will be able to make good investments in basketball going forward.
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All this stuff about Dayton and SLU is just plain embarrassing.
Someone needs to be bottom feeders, it can't just be DePaul
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Do you want to bet? Just kidding. Love the loyalty, but MU was at it's best when it was an independent, we had a chip on our shoulder. I know the world has changed and that is my point.
Hope my spelling meets your standards.
Some teams are in weak leagues and play a strong non-conference schedule while some teams are in a strong conference and play a weak non-conference, there are many ways to skin a cat.
The product I saw at Madison Square Garden in the St. Johns game was not a competitive product. It did not pass the eye test and not because of "this year" or the players or the coach. As was said, if we were not in the Big East, we would not be invited in.
It seems to me that is a very big problem that goes to the very top of the basketball program. Delusional thinking is the word that comes to mind.
I don't care how much MU pays or does not pay for it's program, the philosophy of the program is flawed as currently constituted in the B.E.
Were number 5 atm. Better then half the conference. Is the big east going to 4 teams?
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Why? There are more programs than Men's basketball. DePaul is arguably as strong or than MU across all common sports.
Nothing matters but basketball and maaaaaaaaybe la crosse.
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Nothing matters but basketball and maaaaaaaaybe la crosse.
Women won the BE regular season soccer season last year and the men have been very competitive.
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Women won the BE regular season soccer season last year and the men have been very competitive.
We could win the national championship in every womens sport under the sun every year and it wouldn't effect the big east conference alignment one bit.