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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: lessthannick11 on February 14, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
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Still trying to get a call-up, but doing well in the lower leagues. Whats the average D-League salary now?
http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/14/vander-blue-i-know-im-an-nba-player-i-know-its-gonna-happen/
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Was hoping the Wolves would give him a chance when Lavine went down. Instead they chose Lance Stephenson...
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Still trying to get a call-up, but doing well in the lower leagues. Whats the average D-League salary now?
Sounds like they're going to start paying in Gatorade.
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Still trying to get a call-up, but doing well in the lower leagues. Whats the average D-League salary now?
http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/14/vander-blue-i-know-im-an-nba-player-i-know-its-gonna-happen/
Guys make either $19,500 or $26,000, though there are a few outliers. See this timely article for further explanation: http://deadspin.com/it-is-time-for-all-nba-d-leaguers-to-be-paid-a-living-w-1792344265 (http://deadspin.com/it-is-time-for-all-nba-d-leaguers-to-be-paid-a-living-w-1792344265)
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Still trying to get a call-up, but doing well in the lower leagues. Whats the average D-League salary now?
http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/14/vander-blue-i-know-im-an-nba-player-i-know-its-gonna-happen/
G-League*
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Was hoping the Wolves would give him a chance when Lavine went down. Instead they chose Lance Stephenson...
He sprained his ankle
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Vander Blue will always be one of those cautionary tales about leaving college early for the pros. Blue was never a great shooter which is what holds him back from getting onto an NBA team.
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Vander Blue will always be one of those cautionary tales about leaving college early for the pros.
Why? He wasn't going to get much better staying in school. It is extremely unlikely that he would have been drafted after his senior year.
Everyone knows who Vander is. He's had a chance in the NBA. To this point, NBA teams don't think he has much upside. Another year in school wouldn't have changed that.
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Vander Blue will always be one of those cautionary tales about leaving college early for the pros. Blue was never a great shooter which is what holds him back from getting onto an NBA team.
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Vander Blue will always be one of those cautionary tales about leaving college early for the pros. Blue was never a great shooter which is what holds him back from getting onto an NBA team.
Vander Blue leaving is also a major reason why Marquette Basketball has struggled for the last several years (in reference to that other thread, he may be the most important recruit Marquette has brought in since Wade).
Here's the story:
-Commits, then de-commits from Badgers
-Commits to Marquette and becomes part of the best freshman duo (with Ox) since the Amigos
-Major player and eventually star on two Sweet 16 teams and then an Elite 8 team
-Bolts for the draft against Buzz's advice
-The following year the team has no leader and poor guard play, so it turns a promising season into crap
-Coach quits on team, then bolts, leaving the cupboard empty
-New coach has little to work with and has thus far struggled to bring us back to national relevance.
Vander leaving was the turning point. If Vander stays, the 2014 team isn't total garbage. Buzz probably stays or at least leaves us in a better position. Continued success (or at least a less dramatic rebuilding) is the result.
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Vander Blue leaving is also a major reason why Marquette Basketball has struggled for the last several years (in reference to that other thread, he may be the most important recruit Marquette has brought in since Wade).
Here's the story:
-Commits, then de-commits from Badgers
-Commits to Marquette and becomes part of the best freshman duo (with Ox) since the Amigos
-Major player and eventually star on two Sweet 16 teams and then an Elite 8 team
-Bolts for the draft against Buzz's advice
-The following year the team has no leader and poor guard play, so it turns a promising season into crap
-Coach quits on team, then bolts, leaving the cupboard empty
-New coach has little to work with and has thus far struggled to bring us back to national relevance.
Vander leaving was the turning point. If Vander stays, the 2014 team isn't total garbage. Buzz probably stays or at least leaves us in a better position. Continued success (or at least a less dramatic rebuilding) is the result.
Vander couldn't shoot and couldn't run the point. He certainly would've made ups a better team his senior year, but he wasn't filling the biggest hole the team had.
Bazz's leaving had nothing to do with Vander and/or the team's success. It had everything to do with the administration putting its foot down and saying "Enough is enough" in regards to giving him, quite literally, everything his big ego asked for.
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Why? He wasn't going to get much better staying in school. It is extremely unlikely that he would have been drafted after his senior year.
Everyone knows who Vander is. He's had a chance in the NBA. To this point, NBA teams don't think he has much upside. Another year in school wouldn't have changed that.
Tell that to Wesley Matthews or Buddy Hield. Staying another year could have been the catalyst from becoming undrafted to drafted. School provides an environment with unlimited resources to improving your game, while going at it alone provides a much more difficult ascent. Blue had an opportunity to put the team on his back and show the nation what he could do. Instead, he chose a route that sent him into obscurity where the threshold for success is much higher.
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Tell that to Wesley Matthews or Buddy Hield. Staying another year could have been the catalyst from becoming undrafted to drafted. School provides an environment with unlimited resources to improving your game, while going at it alone provides a much more difficult ascent. Blue had an opportunity to put the team on his back and show the nation what he could do. Instead, he chose a route that sent him into obscurity where the threshold for success is much higher.
Wesley Matthews went undrafted.
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Wesley Matthews went undrafted.
You miss the point.......completely.
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Tell that to Wesley Matthews or Buddy Hield. Staying another year could have been the catalyst from becoming undrafted to drafted. School provides an environment with unlimited resources to improving your game, while going at it alone provides a much more difficult ascent. Blue had an opportunity to put the team on his back and show the nation what he could do. Instead, he chose a route that sent him into obscurity where the threshold for success is much higher.
You really think he's going at it alone? Like, you picture him out in his backyard shooting around by himself a la Jimmy Chitwood? Professional basketball is non-stop basketball. He doesn't have classes to attend. He doesn't have to study for tests. There's no governing body limiting the amount of time he can spend with coaches. He's as good as he's going to be and yet no NBA team has been willing to give him a real chance to contribute. Another year in college wasn't going to change that.
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Vander has never been an NBA level player and, whether he stayed or not (I believe he should have) that was never going to change.
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You miss the point.......completely.
No, I get the point. But you specifically said staying your senior year can be the difference between going undrafted and getting drafted, and then used Wes Matthews as an example. Which is wrong.
I agree Vander probably should have stayed for his senior year because what good does toiling away in the D league do for an extra year? He could have done that after college. But hindsight is 20/20.
I do agree with OD that Vander leaving was the first dominoe to fall in a series of dominoes. Things could have played out differently had he stayed, for sure.
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You really think he's going at it alone? Like, you picture him out in his backyard shooting around by himself a la Jimmy Chitwood? Professional basketball is non-stop basketball. He doesn't have classes to attend. He doesn't have to study for tests. There's no governing body limiting the amount of time he can spend with coaches. He's as good as he's going to be and yet no NBA team has been willing to give him a real chance to contribute. Another year in college wasn't going to change that.
I never said he was going it alone. The point is that you're on a national stage and you get game and practice experience. You don't receive that by yourself. Plus, you're on a national platform. It wouldn't have hurt Blue, only helped his career, potentially. Do you understand how player development works? Have you ever listened to coaches on the collegiate and NBA levels talk about how most kids who leave early, never should? Do you know why this is?
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I never said he was going it alone. The point is that you're on a national stage and you get game and practice experience. You don't receive that by yourself. Plus, you're on a national platform. It wouldn't have hurt Blue, only helped his career, potentially. Do you understand how player development works? Have you ever listened to coaches on the collegiate and NBA levels talk about how most kids who leave early, never should? Do you know why this is?
Lol. You're all over the place. "I never said he was going it alone...You don't receive that by yourself."
Plus using Wesley Matthews as an example of someone who stayed at school to prove you better your chances of getting drafted rather than leaving early...when Wesley Matthews wasn't drafted at all.
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Only way vander was getting drafted was by staying in school and having another "puts the team on his back" NCAA tournament run. Even then he would've been a second rounder.
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Lol. You're all over the place. "I never said he was going it alone...You don't receive that by yourself."
Plus using Wesley Matthews as an example of someone who stayed at school to prove you better your chances of getting drafted rather than leaving early...when Wesley Matthews wasn't drafted at all.
You missed the point as well when it comes to Matthews. Matthews became an NBA player during his senior year making a huge jump from his junior year.
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You missed the point as well when it comes to Matthews. Matthews became an NBA player during his senior year making a huge jump from his junior year.
Just because one guy made a big jump his senior year, doesn't mean that Vander would have, or that Vander didn't. Willing to bet none of us were watching all his games closely his first year out of MU to see the change.
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You missed the point as well when it comes to Matthews. Matthews became an NBA player during his senior year making a huge jump from his junior year.
I have to say though you are making a false equivalency...Matthews also didnt get drafted and his work in the post draft workouts/try-outs got him his shot. Vander has received that same shot.
The question should be, would Wes have developed in the D League into the same player that he is today. That is tougher to determine IMO.
I can say that in Vander's case I think no, he wouldnt be an NBA player today if he had developed at MU vs. D-League -- but who knows...could be yes.
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You missed the point as well when it comes to Matthews. Matthews became an NBA player during his senior year making a huge jump from his junior year.
"But Matthews, 23, wowed the Jazz during the summer league to earn a spot on the roster and now finds himself guarding arguably the best player in the world, Kobe Bryant. Matthews gets that assignment after guarding Carmelo Anthony, a similarly challenging opponent."
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5160958
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"But Matthews, 23, wowed the Jazz during the summer league to earn a spot on the roster and now finds himself guarding arguably the best player in the world, Kobe Bryant. Matthews gets that assignment after guarding Carmelo Anthony, a similarly challenging opponent."
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5160958
Don't worry, he'll find a way to spin it!
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You missed the point as well when it comes to Matthews. Matthews became an NBA player during his senior year making a huge jump from his junior year.
Something else kind of important happened between Wes' junior and senior year that wouldn't have happened for Vander. Not trying to downplay Wes' contribution, but how much of that was a "jump" in skills and how much was a new coach -- in Wes' words -- "taking the chains off?"
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Tell that to Wesley Matthews or Buddy Hield. Staying another year could have been the catalyst from becoming undrafted to drafted. School provides an environment with unlimited resources to improving your game, while going at it alone provides a much more difficult ascent. Blue had an opportunity to put the team on his back and show the nation what he could do. Instead, he chose a route that sent him into obscurity where the threshold fQataror success is much higher.
Wesley wasnt drafted though.
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Still trying to get a call-up, but doing well in the lower leagues. Whats the average D-League salary now?
http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/14/vander-blue-i-know-im-an-nba-player-i-know-its-gonna-happen/
Thanks for posting. I am hoping Vander realizes on his dream. I respect the young man for staying focused and positive. He has come a long way.
Vander had a big chance this summer in the Rookie League. He played in both sessions for the Mavs. He perform well in the first session in Orlando, but he did not perform in the bigger stage in Las Vegas. If he could have put together two strong performances I think he may have at least earned an invite to an NBA training camp.
He has now had a longer career with the LA D Fenders than with MU.I think he will get one last chance if he stays in the D League.
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Something else kind of important happened between Wes' junior and senior year that wouldn't have happened for Vander. Not trying to downplay Wes' contribution, but how much of that was a "jump" in skills and how much was a new coach -- in Wes' words -- "taking the chains off?"
You beat me to it. Wes made the jump when Crean bailed! That was the best move for him. Was the 3rd option in the 3 Amigos. Crean goes Crimson and Wes shines.
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He has now had a longer career with the LA D Fenders than with MU.I think he will get one last chance if he stays in the D League.
Unfortunately, even as someone who is a big Vander fan, the Lakers are the wrong team for that shot. You take out guys like Deng, Metta World Peace, and Nick Young (who is probably getting traded), and you have one of the youngest cores in the league. They have their developmental guys, Vander hasnt been called up in awhile, it wont happen now.
His best bet is to go the Dwight Buycks route and perform well in Europe to gain some further notice.
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Watching Henry play for the Drive a few times this year, I am struck by the number of 6'4 guards in the NBDL who all shoot better than Vander did at MU. (Maybe he can now). Last week, I watched Gabe York (how is that name for a blast from the past?), trying to make the conversion to a PG, absolutely rain 3's to try to rally his team. And it occurred to me that Vander is one of 50 guys in the NBDL his size who can do exactly what he does hoping to get one of a handful of slots on the end of the bench in the show. It is like being a cute blonde in Hollywood. So much evenly matched competition for so few spots.
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Watching Henry play for the Drive a few times this year, I am struck by the number of 6'4 guards in the NBDL who all shoot better than Vander did at MU. (Maybe he can now). Last week, I watched Gabe York (how is that name for a blast from the past?), trying to make the conversion to a PG, absolutely rain 3's to try to rally his team. And it occurred to me that Vander is one of 50 guys in the NBDL his size who can do exactly what he does hoping to get one of a handful of slots on the end of the bench in the show. It is like being a cute blonde in Hollywood. So much evenly matched competition for so few spots.
This pretty much nails it. Also doesn't have much upside at that height.
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His best bet is to go the Dwight Buycks route and perform well in Europe to gain some further notice.
Should have done that a couple years ago. Father Time, unfortunately, is starting to run out on Vander. As others have posted, there are too many 6'4" guys in the NDBL who can do what he does. Vander is probably leaving a lot of money on the table sticking the D-League chasing a dream that is fading?
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Watching Henry play for the Drive a few times this year, I am struck by the number of 6'4 guards in the NBDL who all shoot better than Vander did at MU. (Maybe he can now). Last week, I watched Gabe York (how is that name for a blast from the past?), trying to make the conversion to a PG, absolutely rain 3's to try to rally his team. And it occurred to me that Vander is one of 50 guys in the NBDL his size who can do exactly what he does hoping to get one of a handful of slots on the end of the bench in the show. It is like being a cute blonde in Hollywood. So much evenly matched competition for so few spots.
Crazy the razor thin margin that can take you from $30k in the d-league to a 2-year guaranteed couple million $ deal like Buycks got
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Should have done that a couple years ago. Father Time, unfortunately, is starting to run out on Vander.
He's 24. Got plenty of years left to earn $$$.
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Watching Henry play for the Drive a few times this year, I am struck by the number of 6'4 guards in the NBDL who all shoot better than Vander did at MU. (Maybe he can now). Last week, I watched Gabe York (how is that name for a blast from the past?), trying to make the conversion to a PG, absolutely rain 3's to try to rally his team. And it occurred to me that Vander is one of 50 guys in the NBDL his size who can do exactly what he does hoping to get one of a handful of slots on the end of the bench in the show. It is like being a cute blonde in Hollywood. So much evenly matched competition for so few spots.
Exactly.
Look at the college guards drafted in the 2nd Round of the 2014 Draft (the year Blue could have been drafted had he stayed). They're all bigger than VB or true PGs and all of them are better shooters from distance. The only way Blue could have had a chance at being drafted would be if he played 30+ minutes at the point as a senior and carried MU on a tourney run with shooting and distributing. 6'4" slashers are a dime a dozen.
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Can we focus a little attention on the fact that Blue seems to have grown up? Really enjoyed reading the interview. We're all so focused on the "what could have been" scenarios as opposed to the now. Vander's working his butt off in the G-League and is on the right track as one of the best players in it. He's still reppin' Marquette plenty as well.
Wish him the best and I think his time will come to be a role player on an NBA squad. He's better than the guards coming off Milwaukee's bench already. Should lose Vaughn and give Vander a shot.
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He's 24. Got plenty of years left to earn $$$.
Yep, Vander was a young college player, so leaving a year early was almost like leaving as a soph. A good amount of player development still takes place between age 24 & 27. There's still time to get his game in NBA shape.
Speaking of, did anyone else know Markus Howard is only 17 years old?
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Can we focus a little attention on the fact that Blue seems to have grown up? Really enjoyed reading the interview. We're all so focused on the "what could have been" scenarios as opposed to the now. Vander's working his butt off in the G-League and is on the right track as one of the best players in it. He's still reppin' Marquette plenty as well.
Wish him the best and I think his time will come to be a role player on an NBA squad. He's better than the guards coming off Milwaukee's bench already. Should lose Vaughn and give Vander a shot.
Vander is definitely not better than Rashad Vaughn (who isn't good). Not for what is needed in the NBA.
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Exactly.
Look at the college guards drafted in the 2nd Round of the 2014 Draft (the year Blue could have been drafted had he stayed). They're all bigger than VB or true PGs and all of them are better shooters from distance. The only way Blue could have had a chance at being drafted would be if he played 30+ minutes at the point as a senior and carried MU on a tourney run with shooting and distributing. 6'4" slashers are a dime a dozen.
Agreed. I actually thought Blue was one of the rare players that could have actually benefited from staying a year rather than declaring after a dominant tournament run. Only way Blue was going to make the Association was as a PG...which he had never played in college. If he came back and showed he could run the point effectively and improved his 3P shooting (two very big ifs), I think he could have had a shot. But who knows, its a purely academic exercise at this point.
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Agreed. I actually thought Blue was one of the rare players that could have actually benefited from staying a year rather than declaring after a dominant tournament run. Only way Blue was going to make the Association was as a PG...which he had never played in college. If he came back and showed he could run the point effectively and improved his 3P shooting (two very big ifs), I think he could have had a shot. But who knows, its a purely academic exercise at this point.
You never know, he still has a chance
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Vander is definitely not better than Rashad Vaughn (who isn't good). Not for what is needed in the NBA.
I'd give Vander a shot over Rashad.
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I'd give Vander a shot over Rashad.
Yeah. Why wouldn't a team go with the older, smaller, worse-shooting option?
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I feel like Scoop has this same conservation every couple months. Vander's had his chances and it didn't work out. He's probably not going to develop into a different player now. The good news is that he's still got a decade and maybe more to collect some shekels (perhaps literally) overseas. Go East young man.
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Some times it works out. That was sort of Crowder before this year. Some guys have a little something extra that doesn't show in the stat sheet or measurements, but makes guys like Brad Stevens want them on their teams.
I'm not sure Vander is that guy, but it's great to hear him staying positive and holding on to his dream. Also interesting to hear that he summers with Crowder. Crowder's shooting took a massive jump forward this year, so maybe they are working together on that. Vander is at a respectable 37% this year on 5 attempts a game. If that jumps into the low 40s next year I think he gets the call.
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I really like Vander a lot and would love to see him stick in the association. If I were him, the opportunity cost of what I could have made overseas these past couple of years would be piling up and weighing a little more heavily all the time. But he seems at peace in his personal calculation of what keeping the dream alive is worth to him, and I respect him for that.
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2 seasons ago Vander was playing more of a combo guard spot in the D-League, averaging over 5 assists per game.
Looks like he's at the 3 this year. 3pt% is a respectable 37.2% on 183 attempts this year.
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Yeah. Why wouldn't a team go with the older, smaller, worse-shooting option?
Vaughn sucks.
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Vaughn sucks.
Which tells you where Vander is.
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Vaughn sucks.
he went to unlv right?
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he went to unlv right?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Rashad+Vaughn+College
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2 seasons ago Vander was playing more of a combo guard spot in the D-League, averaging over 5 assists per game.
Looks like he's at the 3 this year. 3pt% is a respectable 37.2% on 183 attempts this year.
But he is too small to play that position in the NBA.
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Which tells you where Vander is.
Honestly, please tell me what Vaughn brings to the table after having watched him perform sporadically for a season and a half. I understand Rashad is younger and slightly taller. He's supposed to be a knockdown shooter and hasn't been close to that for the Bucks. He's clueless on defense, cannot handle or pass the ball and takes ill-advised shots. Even his limited play in the D-League has been less than impressive. Normally an NBA talent will tear up the D-League for a few games when sent down. I simply don't think he's NBA caliber.
Not saying Vander is a big impact player in the NBA but the skills he brings and the experience + work he's put on his game is intriguing. A much improved shooter from both 3-point range and the free throw line, good heady defender, gets to the line, better handling the ball. Yes I am a bit biased since I like Vander. I just think he's got some game and would not be surprised to see him on a squad as a bench role player eventually. Some of us tend to cling on to how certain players performed at MU. Players will get better if they put the work in.
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Honestly, please tell me what Vaughn brings to the table after having watched him perform sporadically for a season and a half. I understand Rashad is younger and slightly taller. He's supposed to be a knockdown shooter and hasn't been close to that for the Bucks. He's clueless on defense, cannot handle or pass the ball and takes ill-advised shots. Even his limited play in the D-League has been less than impressive. Normally an NBA talent will tear up the D-League for a few games when sent down. I simply don't think he's NBA caliber.
Not saying Vander is a big impact player in the NBA but the skills he brings and the experience + work he's put on his game is intriguing. A much improved shooter from both 3-point range and the free throw line, good heady defender, gets to the line, better handling the ball. Yes I am a bit biased since I like Vander. I just think he's got some game and would not be surprised to see him on a squad as a bench role player eventually. Some of us tend to cling on to how certain players performed at MU. Players will get better if they put the work in.
You just described about 95% of 19 year old NBA players. Sorry, but not many kids kill it in the NBA when they're 1 year out of college.
You're entitled to your opinion. I'll trust the 30 NBA teams who have not given Vander a shot that they know more than you or I.
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You just described about 95% of 19 year old NBA players. Sorry, but not many kids kill it in the NBA when they're 1 year out of college.
You're entitled to your opinion. I'll trust the 30 NBA teams who have not given Vander a shot that they know more than you or I.
Fair enough. Hoping for the best of them both, anyway. It would be cool to see Vander succeed with any team, especially in his home state :)
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Fair enough. Hoping for the best of them both, anyway. It would be cool to see Vander succeed with any team, especially in his home state :)
Hear hear. Cheers.
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Not sure if this is the most current Blue thread, but so what:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/170804-vander-blue-signs
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Not sure if this is the most current Blue thread, but so what:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/170804-vander-blue-signs
It says he won all AAC honors?! Wtf
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It says he won all AAC honors?! Wtf
Of course he did! After all, wasn't the AAC the follow-on conference to the Big East when it fell apart? oh, wait...
Kinda of like he's played for the South Bay Lakers for 4 years, even though they were the D-Fenders before January 2017.
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Not sure if this is the most current Blue thread, but so what:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/170804-vander-blue-signs
The smile on Vander's face is tremendous.
I am rooting hard for the young man to realize his dreams. He is doing 3 a day drills right now to get ready for training camp.
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Good for Vander - http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/170804-latest-laker-vander-blue?ls=related_stories
I think this is a second puff piece story after the signing one posted above.
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Looks like Vander is in the good graces of the Boss Lady of Lakers...
https://twitter.com/JeanieBuss/status/893559635101196288
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Jeanie Buss' twitter profile picture is .. interesting for an NBA owner.
Seems like a fun gal to hang around with.
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Jeanie Buss' twitter profile picture is .. interesting for an NBA owner.
Seems like a fun gal to hang around with.
That's a tame pic for her. Google for more
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That's a tame pic for her. Google for more
Yeah, Google for a lot less, clothes wise.
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Good for Vander - http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/170804-latest-laker-vander-blue?ls=related_stories
I think this is a second puff piece story after the signing one posted above.
After reading that article, I'd like to congratulate Vander on finding a way to grow to 6-foot-5!
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I did google .. didn't see any wild pics. Did I have safe search on? Damnit!
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I did google .. didn't see any wild pics. Did I have safe search on? Damnit!
To be fair, JB thinks this is how a woman should properly dress.
(http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/pilgrims/puritan-woman.jpg)
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Yeah, and BeeJay wood kick Carrie outta bed four lookin' like a horse, ai na?
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Yeah, and BeeJay wood kick Carrie outta bed four lookin' like a horse, ai na?
I agree with Bee Jay's analysis
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I did google .. didn't see any wild pics. Did I have safe search on? Damnit!
This should be in teal, right?
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To be fair, JB thinks this is how a woman should properly dress.
(http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/pilgrims/puritan-woman.jpg)
No way! She's showing too much neck, as well as a little wrist!!
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I did google .. didn't see any wild pics. Did I have safe search on? Damnit!
I had the same problem. Add "nude" to your search. That should do the trick.
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I had the same problem. Add "nude" to your search. That should do the trick.
Full service, impressive.
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I forgot to add 'nude' to the search. Man, it sucks getting old.
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I contacted some people I knew at the Lakers and they updated Vanders press release to reflect that we are in the Big East not AAC.
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I contacted some people I knew at the Lakers and they updated Vanders press release to reflect that we are in the Big East not AAC.
He's a lifesaver! That's what I'll call him, too: "Old Lifesaver!" That's gonna be your name!
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I contacted some people I knew at the Lakers and they updated Vanders press release to reflect that we are in the Big East not AAC.
Lol!
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He's a lifesaver! That's what I'll call him, too: "Old Lifesaver!" That's gonna be your name!
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I contacted some people I knew at the Lakers and they updated Vanders press release to reflect that we are in the Big East not AAC.
Now this was funny.
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I forgot to add 'nude' to the search. Man, it sucks getting old.
I just have a script to automatically add 'nude' to every search in case I forget sometimes.
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He's a lifesaver! That's what I'll call him, too: "Old Lifesaver!" That's gonna be your name!
Nobody? Nobody who saw The Jerk wants to contribute the next line?