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Title: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2016, 04:47:18 PM
I figured we should start a thread to discuss Big East results and general conversation throughout the season. 

I will start the discussion out with this...what is the best case distribution of wins and losses to get the most possible BE teams into the dance.  I think something along these lines:

Villanova:    13-5
Butler:        12-6
Creighton:  12-6
Xavier:        11-7
Seton Hall:  10-8
Marquette:  10-8
Georgetown: 10-8
Providence:   10-8
St. Johns:   2-16
Depaul:       0-18

That could theoretically get 8 teams into the tournament. I think Villanova will probably win 15+ games, however.

Here are tonight's matchups and TV info (courtesy of MUPanther):

5:30pm- DePaul at 1 Villanova, FS1 - Joe Davis, Bill Raftery
Line: Villanova -25

6:00pm Providence at 17 Xavier, FSN - Justin Kutcher, Stephen Bardo
Line: Xavier -11

7:00pm Seton Hall at 9 Creighton, FS2 - Steve Physioc, Nick Bahe
Line: Creighton - 9.5

7:45pm Georgetown at Marquette, FS1 - Tim Brando, Jim Jackson
Line: Marquette -4.5
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 28, 2016, 06:01:21 PM
I figured we should start a thread to discuss Big East results and general conversation throughout the season. 

I will start the discussion out with this...what is the best case distribution of wins and losses to get the most possible BE teams into the dance.  I think something along these lines:

Villanova:    13-5
Butler:        12-6
Creighton:  12-6
Xavier:        11-7
Seton Hall:  10-8
Marquette:  10-8
Georgetown: 9-9
Providence:   9-9
St. Johns:   2-14
Depaul:       0-16

That could theoretically get 8 teams into the tournament. I think Villanova will probably win 15+ games, however.

I think Georgetown needs at least 10-8 to make the NCAA. With the bad loss to Boston College, Providence might need that too. You could subtract some wins from the teams at the top to make that happen. If we have 8 teams finish 10-8 or better, than you definitely would see 8 teams in the tournament.

Unfortunately, I think Nova and Creighton both do better than that. Xavier looks about right. I think Butler ends up 11-7 or 10-8 as well. I'm not sold on them. I also am not sold on Providence. They are a well coached team but I don't think they have the talent to compete with the BEast. I also think St. John's will win one or two they shouldn't and that could sabotage a team's resume. The battle between Seton Hall, Marquette, Georgetown, and Providence will be interesting.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MUBigDance on December 28, 2016, 06:14:34 PM
Interesting take. 8 in would be nice. But since you're dealing with hypothetical, wouldn't you turn the 8 teams upside down....give nova the losses and GT the wins. Getting real convoluted, say DePaul or STJ goes 17-1, we could shoehorn 9 in  :P

But I get what you're saying. What's possible. I think 6 in.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2016, 06:55:04 PM
DePaul down 9 at Nova with 12.5 to go.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on December 28, 2016, 06:55:50 PM
I figured we should start a thread to discuss Big East results and general conversation throughout the season. 

I will start the discussion out with this...what is the best case distribution of wins and losses to get the most possible BE teams into the dance.  I think something along these lines:

Villanova:    13-5
Butler:        12-6
Creighton:  12-6
Xavier:        11-7
Seton Hall:  10-8
Marquette:  10-8
Georgetown: 10-8
Providence:   10-8
St. Johns:   2-16
Depaul:       0-18

That could theoretically get 8 teams into the tournament. I think Villanova will probably win 15+ games, however.

Here are tonight's matchups and TV info (courtesy of MUPanther):

5:30pm- DePaul at 1 Villanova, FS1 - Joe Davis, Bill Raftery
Line: Villanova -25

6:00pm Providence at 17 Xavier, FSN - Justin Kutcher, Stephen Bardo
Line: Xavier -11

7:00pm Seton Hall at 9 Creighton, FS2 - Steve Physioc, Nick Bahe
Line: Creighton - 9.5

7:45pm Georgetown at Marquette, FS1 - Tim Brando, Jim Jackson
Line: Marquette -4.5

You are being generous to DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: warriorchick on December 28, 2016, 07:11:10 PM
You are being generous to DePaul.
Don't know about that. They are within 3 of Nova with 8 minutes left.  And they have the ball.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: warriorchick on December 28, 2016, 07:14:30 PM
Now they are tied.  Courtside Club is going crazy 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on December 28, 2016, 07:16:13 PM
DePaul with LEAD.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: ecompt on December 28, 2016, 07:21:37 PM
This would be stunning if they could hold on.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2016, 07:24:37 PM
Tie game. 3.5 to go.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Slim on December 28, 2016, 07:27:01 PM
Josh Hart-Strenth
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: forgetful on December 28, 2016, 07:28:18 PM
The game shows how when conference play starts, anything can happen. 

A bad Depaul team giving the #1 a run for their money.

in the Big(number challenged), Nebraska is in a nail biter with the tan-one in at Indiana.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2016, 07:29:35 PM
Reminder that Depaul was a 26 point underdog.  I don't know where too look it up but I have to believe this is one of the largest point spread in Big East Conference play history.

If Depaul pulls it off, it is a Virginia/Chamanide level upset.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on December 28, 2016, 07:30:32 PM
Reminder that Depaul was a 26 point underdog.  I don't know where too look it up but I have to believe this is one of the largest point spread in Big East Conference play history.

If Depaul pulls it off, it is a Virginia/Chamanide level upset.

I heard that somewhere.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: forgetful on December 28, 2016, 07:34:38 PM
Depaul is bad because of coaching.  Cain and Garrett though are very good players.  If they are playing well, they can be tough.  Problem is they are as undisciplined as ever (most of the time).

Hart: Guts.  0-5 from 3 for the night.  Drills a 3 to put them up 4...then a and-one by Garrett on the other end.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2016, 07:38:50 PM
DePaul with a chance to tie with 5 secs left.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GB Warrior on December 28, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
Great game by DePaul. It was coupled by an awful game by Nova, but still good to see. Hope this is a confidence boost for DePaul going forward, except for our two games against them.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2016, 07:57:20 PM
X takes PC to the woodshed. 27 point W.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 28, 2016, 08:42:55 PM
X takes PC to the woodshed. 27 point W.

PC also lost to Boston College right before Christmas.  BC is the lowest ranked P5 plus BE schools in the country.

PC is playing REALLY BAD right now.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 29, 2016, 05:07:15 AM
down goes tc, down goes tc down goes tc :D
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 29, 2016, 05:42:59 AM
PC also lost to Boston College right before Christmas.  BC is the lowest ranked P5 plus BE schools in the country.

PC is playing REALLY BAD right now.

Wow! Worse than Rutgers.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: jsglow on December 29, 2016, 07:31:32 AM
Great game by DePaul. It was coupled by an awful game by Nova, but still good to see. Hope this is a confidence boost for DePaul going forward, except for our two games against them.

I'm glad we're not playing Nova Sunday. Somebody is gettin' a beatdown.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 29, 2016, 07:34:23 AM
That would be Creighton
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GGGG on December 29, 2016, 07:34:47 AM
I'm glad we're not playing Nova Sunday. Somebody is gettin' a beatdown.


They are at Creighton.  I doubt a beat down will be coming.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 29, 2016, 12:31:12 PM
The close win over Depaul might be the best thing for Nova. A good wake up call to keep them focused.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Oldgym on December 29, 2016, 06:54:49 PM
Butler @ St John's, 38-38, halftime.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Marcus92 on December 29, 2016, 07:38:29 PM
I'd be perfectly fine with 5 bids in if we see another Big East team in the Final Four this season — and maybe one or two others in the Sweet 16, for good measure.

In my opinion, teams making an impact in the NCAAs is better for the conference (and thus for Marquette). Once the tournament begins, nobody notices or remembers the 8th team in from some super conference that loses in the first round.

Conferences are known for their championship pedigrees. The ACC for Duke and NC (and I guess now Louisville). The B12 for Kansas. The Big 10 for Michigan State and Indiana. The Pac-12 for UCLA and Arizona. The SEC for Kentucky and Florida.

Right now, Villanova is the Big East's best candidate for creating a strong national identity in the eyes of fans and recruits. Hopefully we can join them — or knock them off the top perch — very soon.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Slim on December 29, 2016, 08:10:14 PM
No easy wins in the Beast. St. John's defeats Butler
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 29, 2016, 08:10:48 PM
Butler might fade back to mid pack here soon.

Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 29, 2016, 08:29:13 PM
Butler might fade back to mid pack here soon.

Because they lost one game?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 29, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
Because they lost one game?

Because they are not that good
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: warriorchick on December 29, 2016, 08:44:04 PM
Here's a scenario for you guys who are into this to kick around:

Suppose every team in the Big East wins every home game and loses every away game.  In other words, they go 1-1 against every other BEast team. Also suppose that every game in the Big East tournament was hard-fought and very close.

How would the selection committee determine how many Big East teams should get into the tournament?  Would they base it mostly on non-con performances?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 29, 2016, 09:10:24 PM
Because they are not that good

They are not that good because they lost one game?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 29, 2016, 09:16:52 PM
They are not that good because they lost one game?

Because they are not that good
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Marcus92 on December 29, 2016, 09:18:49 PM
Here's a scenario for you guys who are into this to kick around:

Suppose every team in the Big East wins every home game and loses every away game.  In other words, they go 1-1 against every other BEast team. Also suppose that every game in the Big East tournament was hard-fought and very close.

How would the selection committee determine how many Big East teams should get into the tournament?  Would they base it mostly on non-con performances?

Okay. I'm game.

For starters, someone has to win the Big East tournament. Let's say St. John's, because they're playing at home in Madison Square Garden. They get the automatic bid with a record of 19-16 (9-9). Probably no better than a 12 seed. The rest would have to be based on non-conference results.

Losing all their away games would hurt good teams like Villanova, Creighton and Xavier the most. Nova's record at the end of the regular season, for example, would be 22-9 (9-9). Say they go to the BE championship and finish 24-10 (9-9). With every loss to an inferior team (based on pre-conference season rankings), the Wildcat's ranking would drop. They'd get maybe a 4 seed at best.

Xavier, Butler and Creighton probably still get bids — but somewhere in the 6 to 11 range. Marquette's prospects might not change that much, since we're projected to finish close to 9-9 anyway. On the bubble, maybe one of the last teams in.

I can't believe I just spent any amount of time thinking about this.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Jay Bee on December 29, 2016, 09:20:29 PM
Here's a scenario for you guys who are into this to kick around:

Suppose every team in the Big East wins every home game and loses every away game.  In other words, they go 1-1 against every other BEast team. Also suppose that every game in the Big East tournament was hard-fought and very close.

How would the selection committee determine how many Big East teams should get into the tournament?  Would they base it mostly on non-con performances?

RPI :/

They claim not to care about conf affiliation...

So, overall year's perf compared to all teams in the nation
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Marcus92 on December 29, 2016, 09:28:07 PM
RPI :/

They claim not to care about conf affiliation...

So, overall year's perf compared to all teams in the nation

For some reason, reading this makes me think about a thread maybe a year ago about the prospects of a Marquette team coached by mini Al McGuire (or with a roster entirely made up of mini Al McGuires, I can't remember).
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 29, 2016, 11:52:35 PM
Haven't been sold on Butler all season. Still not sold.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 30, 2016, 01:21:14 AM
Haven't been sold on Butler all season. Still not sold.

Continue to play some D and MU can make a little hay here.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: jsglow on December 30, 2016, 06:24:14 AM

They are at Creighton.  I doubt a beat down will be coming.

True dat.  Should be a helluva game.  How bout them Johnnie!
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MUBigDance on December 30, 2016, 07:50:46 AM
I'm one of many that's done the math to 10-8 with assumed wins home and away against STJ, DP ... assumed losses against NOVACORPS and mostly against CR, BT and X... but maybe we've got to throw all that math away.
I'm now seeing SH away as critical as GT at home because you just never know when a DePaul will be a jump shot away from tying the no1 team in the land.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 30, 2016, 07:57:04 AM
The close win over Depaul might be the best thing for Nova. A good wake up call to keep them focused.

They have won 19 straight, 45 at home (on campus court) and a national championship.

Oh, and they also beat Deapul are are still #1.

So why do you think they needed a wake up call and how exactly were they losing their focus?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GGGG on December 30, 2016, 08:31:02 AM
They have won 19 straight, 45 at home (on campus court) and a national championship.

Oh, and they also beat Deapul are are still #1.

So why do you think they needed a wake up call and how exactly were they losing their focus?


They were playing the perennial conference doormat at home the first game of the BE season, their first game after Christmas, before going on the road to play a top 10 team.

Pretty obvious how they could lose their focus going up 12 in the second half.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 30, 2016, 09:59:37 AM

They were playing the perennial conference doormat at home the first game of the BE season, their first game after Christmas, before going on the road to play a top 10 team.

Pretty obvious how they could lose their focus going up 12 in the second half.

Yep.  Classic trap game.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MUBigDance on December 30, 2016, 10:22:03 AM
They have won 19 straight, 45 at home (on campus court) and a national championship.

Oh, and they also beat Deapul are are still #1.

So why do you think they needed a wake up call and how exactly were they losing their focus?

Nova is on a great run....great to have a class act coach and program in our league for everyone else to aspire to. I think we need to mention Archie the human wakeup call that graduated last year. Real name Ryan Arcidiacono - I swear I thought his name was really Archie Diacono for a long time.

That guy will never make the NBA (although trying in the D league...I think the Spurs related). But I "hated him", he was frustrating but he was a general and I felt always on his toes. Nova may be even better this year but they may need a wakeup call not having Archie.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 30, 2016, 10:31:50 AM
They have won 19 straight, 45 at home (on campus court) and a national championship.

Oh, and they also beat Deapul are are still #1.

So why do you think they needed a wake up call and how exactly were they losing their focus?

Because they had won 19 straight, 45 straight at home, and a national championship.

When you win so many in a row, its easy to get a little complacent and think you are going to roll every team you play. A good scare against a bad team is a good way to ingrain the mindset that you can't take any opponent lightly.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 30, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
Because they are not that good

Ah. So you've got nothing.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on December 30, 2016, 11:54:58 AM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18376358/butler-bulldogs-team-plane-loses-cabin-pressure-coach-says-was-scary-had-guys-crying

First a bad loss then this.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: SaveOD238 on December 30, 2016, 12:55:09 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18376358/butler-bulldogs-team-plane-loses-cabin-pressure-coach-says-was-scary-had-guys-crying

First a bad loss then this.

I remember some pretty severe turbulence on the charter plane back from Cleveland after we beat Syracuse (I was in the band).  I was gripping the armrest, players in the back were screaming.

What happened to Butler last night is so much worse.  That's the type of trauma that could leave lasting issues.  Glad everyone is ok.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 30, 2016, 02:12:21 PM
I do hope they find what caused the cabin to lose pressure. Should give EVERY D1 team pause when flying charter until the know what happened.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 30, 2016, 02:17:05 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18376358/butler-bulldogs-team-plane-loses-cabin-pressure-coach-says-was-scary-had-guys-crying

First a bad loss then this.

Scary crap right there. Can't imagine being a part of something like that.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: forgetful on December 30, 2016, 02:53:58 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18376358/butler-bulldogs-team-plane-loses-cabin-pressure-coach-says-was-scary-had-guys-crying

First a bad loss then this.

12 minutes to go from 35,000-10,000 feet.  Wimps, I've done it in about a minute.

Honestly, though probably terrifying for them.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GGGG on December 30, 2016, 03:00:37 PM
I do hope they find what caused the cabin to lose pressure. Should give EVERY D1 team pause when flying charter until the know what happened.


Every team?  Why?  It happens...thankfully very rarely.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on December 30, 2016, 03:57:41 PM
I think we need to mention Archie the human wakeup call that graduated last year. Real name Ryan Arcidiacono - I swear I thought his name was really Archie Diacono Diaganeau for a long time.

FIFY  ;)
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 31, 2016, 10:25:29 AM
I'm watching the Xavier/Gtown game. Are the Xavier player wearing pantyhose?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: BM1090 on December 31, 2016, 11:00:31 AM
Only one half but Georgetown looks way better, and Pryor has been quite. They've had  2X as many successful backdoor cuts in one half today than in a full game vs. MU
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 31, 2016, 11:09:33 AM
Only one half but Georgetown looks way better, and Pryor has been quite. They've had  2X as many successful backdoor cuts in one half today than in a full game vs. MU

Yeah, Peak looks good today.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 31, 2016, 11:11:59 AM
Yeah, Peak looks good today.
Yup, and didn't he come out in the 2nd half of our game and take like the first 2-3 shots?  Makes me think he wasn't so much hurt against us as completely shut down and frustrated.

Whoever at FS1 updates the score really needs to be replaced, it seems like it is wrong as often as it is right.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 31, 2016, 11:19:54 AM
Yup, and didn't he come out in the 2nd half of our game and take like the first 2-3 shots?  Makes me think he wasn't so much hurt against us as completely shut down and frustrated.

Whoever at FS1 updates the score really needs to be replaced, it seems like it is wrong as often as it is right.

Was gonna mention the scoreboard part


It's getting sad
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: BM1090 on December 31, 2016, 11:20:09 AM
Yup, and didn't he come out in the 2nd half of our game and take like the first 2-3 shots?  Makes me think he wasn't so much hurt against us as completely shut down and frustrated.

Whoever at FS1 updates the score really needs to be replaced, it seems like it is wrong as often as it is right.

Especially frustrating when you bet on the game 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 31, 2016, 11:39:27 AM
X's has hoisted some awful 3P shots this half, including 2 air balls. Very beatable
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: naginiF on December 31, 2016, 12:03:25 PM
I'm watching the Xavier/Gtown game. Are the Xavier player wearing pantyhose?
When worn during a sporting activity they're compression leggings.
When worn for pleasure they're pantyhose.

It's all in the positioning.  Guy in my running group wears them and we're relentless on him.

Edit: G'Town is playing pretty good today.  From what i've seen it looks like as long as keep X on the perimeter we'll have a shot (i've watched a total of 15 minutes of them though)
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: nyg on December 31, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
Tough game to watch. 61 fouls called, was free throw contest.
X had 38 attempts and Geo had 23. Believe Geo was 2 for last 9.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Slim on December 31, 2016, 12:26:34 PM
Only one half but Georgetown looks way better, and Pryor has been quite. They've had  2X as many successful backdoor cuts in one half today than in a full game vs. MU
But is their defense lazy?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MUBigDance on December 31, 2016, 12:37:32 PM
I am throwing all my pre-conceived notions out the door...about STJ, about DP, about X, about Butler, about NOVA.....and even about MU. Lets win the BE.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: fjm on December 31, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
I am throwing all my pre-conceived notions out the door...about STJ, about DP, about X, about Butler, about NOVA.....and even about MU. Lets win the BE.

The BE might be a crapshoot all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: wadesworld on December 31, 2016, 01:32:25 PM
How long would a player typically be out with "tendonitis?"  I'm not even sure tendonitis of what, but that's what Booth is out with.  He was a solid glue guy for them last year, and they're still up 5 at top 10 Creighton, where UW got shellacked.   Nova is tough, both physically and mentally.

Oh, and Creighton hasn't forgotten how to flop.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 31, 2016, 01:39:28 PM
How long would a player typically be out with "tendonitis?"  I'm not even sure tendonitis of what, but that's what Booth is out with.  He was a solid glue guy for them last year, and they're still up 5 at top 10 Creighton, where UW got shellacked.   Nova is tough, both physically and mentally.

Oh, and Creighton hasn't forgotten how to flop.
Tendonitis and tendonosis can take up to 6-8 weeks to heal if it is severe.  I've had tendonosis in both my knees and ankles and it is a weird injury in that it can linger for weeks but then suddenly clear up almost overnight.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 31, 2016, 01:59:51 PM
If nova had spellman idk how they would lose
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: tower912 on December 31, 2016, 02:06:52 PM
Nova is the defending champs and undefeated for a reason.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 01, 2017, 02:28:37 PM
DePaul / SJU in a battle w 10 to go.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 01, 2017, 02:55:14 PM
Butler up 19 on PC at half.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 01, 2017, 03:03:37 PM
DePaul / SJU in a battle w 10 to go.

SJU grabs 6 point W at DePaul.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 01, 2017, 03:06:46 PM
SJU grabs 6 point W at DePaul.

By the transitive property of basketball, SJU is three points better than Villanova. #mathdon'tlie
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 04, 2017, 07:57:11 PM
After Novas loss to Butler, looks like GT is about to drop one at Providence.

Winning in the road in the BE is hard to do.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 04, 2017, 07:59:26 PM
There goes my trap game theory.  I was hoping Nova would overlook us at home between BU and X...now they won't
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: muguru on January 04, 2017, 08:03:56 PM
After Novas loss to Butler, looks like GT is about to drop one at Providence.

Winning in the road in the BE is hard to do.

I hope MU remembers that...DO NOT lose at home...that's their easiest path to the tourney, win all your home games, that's 9 wins right there, win @ dePaul...that's 10, @ Providence 11, @ SJU...12.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 04, 2017, 08:09:00 PM
The close win over Depaul might be the best thing for Nova. A good wake up call to keep them focused.

We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.

First these concepts do not exist.

Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: g0lden3agle on January 04, 2017, 08:26:57 PM
We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.

First these concepts do not exist.

Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1

You're telling me a team's never gone through the motions in practice and as a result isn't as sharp as they should have been, resulting in a game that's closer than it should have been (or even a loss), followed by them working their ass off and being sharper for their next game?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: geps on January 04, 2017, 08:47:17 PM
After Novas loss to Butler, looks like GT is about to drop one at Providence.

Winning in the road in the BE is hard to do.
GT 0-3 start. Rough.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MomofMUltiples on January 04, 2017, 08:53:45 PM
You're telling me a team's never gone through the motions in practice and as a result isn't as sharp as they should have been, resulting in a game that's closer than it should have been (or even a loss), followed by them working their ass off and being sharper for their next game?

Well, Creighton is responding to its loss against Nova by putting the beat down on St. John's.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on January 04, 2017, 08:54:24 PM
We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.

First these concepts do not exist.

Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1

You don't believe "focus" exists?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 04, 2017, 09:13:09 PM
You're telling me a team's never gone through the motions in practice and as a result isn't as sharp as they should have been, resulting in a game that's closer than it should have been (or even a loss), followed by them working their ass off and being sharper for their next game?

Not in the way you describe.  You believe in mythology.

To be clear, teams have good an bad games.  To attribute that to "wake up calls and losing focus is uninformed fan talk.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 04, 2017, 09:14:12 PM
You don't believe "focus" exists?

Not in the way it was used here

Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on January 04, 2017, 10:20:11 PM
Nova is going to be hungry Saturday. We better come to play.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 04, 2017, 11:00:22 PM
We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.

First these concepts do not exist.

Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1

This seems like a weird thing to get up in arms about.

I've never played college basketball so I have no idea how often or how much close wins or unexpected losses act as a "wake up call" or help teams "stay focused." I imagine that you haven't either. I do know my own field. I'm very good at my job. I don't think it would be a stretch to call myself the Villanova of Title IX Investigators.  I will sometimes run a training for a department without doing as much preparation as I should. I get the training done, but its sloppy and I know there were moments I looked bad out there. That has sometimes inspired me to put in extra prep work which in turn has allowed me to crush the next training. I might even dare to say that my poor performance in the first training acted as a "wake up call" and helped me to "stay focused."

I know. College basketball isn't nearly as entertaining or exciting as my job....but I imagine that my experience might be transferable
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: g0lden3agle on January 05, 2017, 05:38:14 AM
I think there's only one way to settle this, but it requires a ban lift on Ners for his official opinion on the matter
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: bilsu on January 05, 2017, 07:10:01 AM
There goes my trap game theory.  I was hoping Nova would overlook us at home between BU and X...now they won't
To me this is a sad statement. That is the idea that ant team would overlook a game against Marquette.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 05, 2017, 07:28:38 AM
We should ban the use of the phrases wake up call and the word focused.

First these concepts do not exist.

Second, they reflect (poorly) on those that use these terms rather than providing the insight these terms are supposedly are intended to do. See #1

This is probably the silliest thing ever posted here. Just completely disconnected from reality. Wake up calls and focus are real in all walks of life, in every profession, and especially when talking about college aged individuals.

If you really think everyone has the same focus level every time out in any endeavor, you could not be more patently wrong.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 05, 2017, 07:42:07 AM
If you really think everyone has the same focus level every time out in any endeavor, you could not be more patently wrong.

Luckily as fans we don't have the same problem since we have wades to remind us the most important game of the season is the next one.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: KampusFoods on January 05, 2017, 08:01:11 AM
A few things about Nova from the game last night

This year Nova is not last year Nova, IMO. Loss of Arci and Ochefu hurts them, obviously.

Brunson was good last year but he has taken it to another level. Think he's a pro after this year. This will be a bad matchup for MU. Not sure M2N can guard him

They've been playing without Phil Booth, who may return Saturday. That would stink.

Hart had a bad shooting night. He'll probably have 2 of those in a row.

Butler got some solid looks from 3, but made just 5 of 20. Hoping MU gets same looks and converts.

All things considered, I don't feel good about Saturday. Never really did, though.





Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on January 05, 2017, 08:46:39 AM
A few things about Nova from the game last night

This year Nova is not last year Nova, IMO. Loss of Arci and Ochefu hurts them, obviously.

Brunson was good last year but he has taken it to another level. Think he's a pro after this year. This will be a bad matchup for MU. Not sure M2N can guard him

They've been playing without Phil Booth, who may return Saturday. That would stink.

Hart had a bad shooting night. He'll probably have 2 of those in a row.

Butler got some solid looks from 3, but made just 5 of 20. Hoping MU gets same looks and converts.

All things considered, I don't feel good about Saturday. Never really did, though.
They just have to play with confidence
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: KampusFoods on January 05, 2017, 09:23:43 AM
They just have to play with confidence

You should be the coach
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 05, 2017, 09:56:11 AM
This is probably the silliest thing ever posted here. Just completely disconnected from reality. Wake up calls and focus are real in all walks of life, in every profession, and especially when talking about college aged individuals.

If you really think everyone has the same focus level every time out in any endeavor, you could not be more patently wrong.

You're assuming that only one team is on the floor.  That Nova was playing the Washington Generals and not Butler and Butler had nothing whatsoever to do with them winning.  The game was all about what Nova did or did not do.  And the only factor was Nova's focus and needing a wake-up call.  I will again remind you this same idea was floated last week after they almost lost to Depaul and they again had another bad game.

That is why adherence to these one sided notion that only one team matters in the win/loss is silly.

What is silly fan talk ... just spewing a bunch of cliches, then spew more and then site back and pretend it is actually brilliance.

Brew, you're better than this.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 05, 2017, 10:04:11 AM
This seems like a weird thing to get up in arms about.

I've never played college basketball so I have no idea how often or how much close wins or unexpected losses act as a "wake up call" or help teams "stay focused." I imagine that you haven't either. I do know my own field. I'm very good at my job. I don't think it would be a stretch to call myself the Villanova of Title IX Investigators.  I will sometimes run a training for a department without doing as much preparation as I should. I get the training done, but its sloppy and I know there were moments I looked bad out there. That has sometimes inspired me to put in extra prep work which in turn has allowed me to crush the next training. I might even dare to say that my poor performance in the first training acted as a "wake up call" and helped me to "stay focused."

I know. College basketball isn't nearly as entertaining or exciting as my job....but I imagine that my experience might be transferable

Your analogy works because it is one-sided.  you are not competing with someone that might actually effect your performance.

That is why is fails when it comes to a competition.

Let me throw out on anecdote.  Both Kornheiser and Wilbon on PTI both predicted a Butler win yesterday afternoon.  Point is this was hardly an upset (like it would be if we beat them) and maybe, just maybe, the answer is Nova is really not as good as #1 suggests.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: g0lden3agle on January 05, 2017, 10:06:30 AM
You're assuming that only one team is on the floor.  That Nova was playing the Washington Generals and not Butler and Butler had nothing whatsoever to do with them winning.  The game was all about what Nova did or did not do.  And the only factor was Nova's focus and needing a wake-up call.  I will again remind you this same idea was floated last week after they almost lost to Depaul and they again had another bad game.

That is why adherence to these one sided notion that only one team matters in the win/loss is silly.

What is silly fan talk ... just spewing a bunch of cliches, then spew more and then site back and pretend it is actually brilliance.

Brew, you're better than this.

Not sure where you found evidence of people using terms like "wake-up call" and "focus" to mean that only one team matters in a win/loss. (edit: I can see how TAMU's analogy introduced the "one-sided" nature that you're referring to)

Each team has their own floor/ceiling.  Whether a team is playing at their own respective floor/ceiling can be attributed to their level of focus/commitment/energy at any given point during a season.    Both teams playing at their own respective current levels helps determines who's going to win a game.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 05, 2017, 12:13:45 PM
Luckily as fans we don't have the same problem since we have wades to remind us the most important game of the season is the next one.


Thank God.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 05, 2017, 12:51:23 PM
You're assuming that only one team is on the floor.  That Nova was playing the Washington Generals and not Butler and Butler had nothing whatsoever to do with them winning.  The game was all about what Nova did or did not do.  And the only factor was Nova's focus and needing a wake-up call.  I will again remind you this same idea was floated last week after they almost lost to Depaul and they again had another bad game.

That is why adherence to these one sided notion that only one team matters in the win/loss is silly.

What is silly fan talk ... just spewing a bunch of cliches, then spew more and then site back and pretend it is actually brilliance.

Brew, you're better than this.

????

How do the terms wake up call or focus imply that basketball is a one sided game? Basketball is obviously two sided. The close Nova win over Depaul (what originally started this mess) happened because Nova played poorly and Depaul played well. If Nova had played well and Depaul played well, Nova would have won by double digits because they are a better team. My comment was that the close win might be a wake up call (or in other words, motivation) to put in extra time and focus into preparing for the next game. Never said that it would be the cause of them winning or losing a game. Never said the other team has no effect on their performance. Just that it might inspire them to focus in practice which could make them tougher in the next game. Or it could not.

Again, a very weird thing to get up in arms about.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 05, 2017, 12:56:15 PM
Your analogy works because it is one-sided.  you are not competing with someone that might actually effect your performance.

That is why is fails when it comes to a competition.

Why does it fail when it comes to competition? Do teams not practice and prepare for competitions? Doesn't practice and preparation give a team a better chance to win? Notice that I said better chance to win, not is the determining factor in who wins.

Let me throw out on anecdote.  Both Kornheiser and Wilbon on PTI both predicted a Butler win yesterday afternoon.  Point is this was hardly an upset (like it would be if we beat them) and maybe, just maybe, the answer is Nova is really not as good as #1 suggests.

When did I ever say that this was an upset? Or that Nova is as good #1 suggests? Or that focus or wake up calls were the answer to why Nova lost last night?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 05, 2017, 01:29:20 PM
You're assuming that only one team is on the floor.  That Nova was playing the Washington Generals and not Butler and Butler had nothing whatsoever to do with them winning.  The game was all about what Nova did or did not do.  And the only factor was Nova's focus and needing a wake-up call.  I will again remind you this same idea was floated last week after they almost lost to Depaul and they again had another bad game.

That is why adherence to these one sided notion that only one team matters in the win/loss is silly.

What is silly fan talk ... just spewing a bunch of cliches, then spew more and then site back and pretend it is actually brilliance.

Brew, you're better than this.

I'm not assuming that at all. No one is saying that 'Nova's focus or needing a wake up call were the only factors. But dismissing the idea that 'Nova could lose focus out of hand is just silly. And acting like the concepts of focus or a wake up call don't exist is equally silly. Better teams can lose to lesser teams and the reason can be because the better team wasn't focused.

There can be other factors. It can be coaching, preparation, effort, or one team just clicking on all cylinders while the other team is just off their games. But the idea that no one could ever lose because they overlooked an opponent (which is your exact premise when you assert those concepts don't exist) is absolutely preposterous.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 06, 2017, 11:28:12 AM
In yesterday's PTI (Jan 5) Wilbon admonished Kornheiser for not watching college basketball.  Wilbon said the six week old CBB season has been great because so many teams are passing up "buy games" for real match ups that make the early season more interesting.

Wilbon also called Nova/Butler a great game and both agreed that the Big East is the best basketball conference in the country, noting they have 4 teams ranked this week, including #1.

Jan 5, 2017 PTI Podcast (comments about start around 20:30)
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18415423

These two guys absolutely carry the water for the mother-ship of ESPN.  So in 2014 when "30 for 30" did 'Requiem For The Big East' these guys spent literally a year talking about the Big East in the past tense.  One for be forgiven for thinking the Big East no longer existed.

http://www.espn.com/30for30/film?page=requiemforthebigeast

It was pointed out here and elsewhere that part of ESPN's "bashing" of the Big East might have been their move to Fox Sports.  ESPN was literally created to broadcast Big East basketball and its early years where defined by showing Big East Basketball.  So they came off, at least to me, acting like the Big East moving to Fox Sports was some sort of betrayal.

So this got me thinking, if they are now admitting that the Big East not only still exists and might also be the best basketball conference in the country, is this becoming accepted wisdom?  And if so, has the Big East finally move past the "funeral stage" of 2014 and still carries the swagger with basketball fans and high school recruits that it always has?

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 06, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
And if so, has the Big East finally move past the "funeral stage" of 2014 and still carries the swagger with basketball fans and high school recruits that it always has?

I think that is pretty obvious to anyone that pays any attention whatsoever to CBB.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 06, 2017, 11:55:32 AM
If you look at recruiting and bid history, we never lost that swagger. The league is still pulling both McDonald's All Americans and top-100 recruits on par with almost anyone. 5 bids per year is the equivalent of 8 in the old league.

Some ESPN personalities tried to bury the league, and the Requiem piece was an insult to the current membership, but others (Dana O'Neill comes to mind) always treated the league fairly.

At the end of the day, ESPN simply can't be intellectually honest by disregarding the league that has the defending national champs and 4 teams in their own top-25 poll. As the recruits, other media, and Selection Committee treated us with respect, it was only a matter of time before the four letter network had to do the same.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 06, 2017, 01:12:25 PM
I think that is pretty obvious to anyone that pays any attention whatsoever to CBB.

It was not obvious to ESPN watchers the last few years.  They did a eulogy of the league!!
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: naginiF on January 06, 2017, 01:49:08 PM
It was not obvious to ESPN watchers the last few years.  They did a eulogy of the league!!
Can you think of any reason it would be in ESPN's interest to belittle the Big East?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: bilsu on January 06, 2017, 02:13:34 PM
Can you think of any reason it would be in ESPN's interest to belittle the Big East?
They do not have the Big East television contract.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: fjm on January 06, 2017, 02:13:54 PM
Can you think of any reason it would be in ESPN's interest to belittle the Big East?

Ratings.
If people don't think the BE is good, then they won't watch.
Belittle the BE and fans will tune in to watch #2 Kentucky vs Arkansas instead of #10 butler vs #13 Xavier.

Ratings = money.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: naginiF on January 06, 2017, 02:28:05 PM
They do not have the Big East television contract.
That's what i was pushing heisy to
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 06, 2017, 02:46:59 PM
That's what i was pushing heisy to

Pushing me to what?  I said they did not have the TV contract in my post.  In fact I said it twice.  Did you read it?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GGGG on January 06, 2017, 02:48:40 PM
Pushing me to what?  I said they did not have the TV contract in my post.  In fact I said it twice.  Did you read it?


Read what?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 06, 2017, 02:53:09 PM
The post at the top of page 5.

See this is why I start new threads, you guys are utterly incapable of following conversations in multi-page threads, because multi-page threads are impossible to read.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GGGG on January 06, 2017, 03:16:13 PM
The post at the top of page 5.

See this is why I start new threads, you guys are utterly incapable of following conversations in multi-page threads, because multi-page threads are impossible to read.


I'm sorry...who are you?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 06, 2017, 03:37:25 PM
No, I think we all followed it fairly well and are completely yanking your chain.   
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 06, 2017, 04:09:29 PM
The post at the top of page 5.

Is that in the future? This thread is only on page 3.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 06, 2017, 04:17:44 PM
Is that in the future? This thread is only on page 3.

You must have modified you posts per thread settings.  By the default settings, we are definitely on page 5.

Profile -> Look and Layout -> Messages to display per page:  (default is 25)

But this brings up a good point.  Since that's a variable thing, it would be better to reference reply #100, which does not vary..
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 06, 2017, 06:11:36 PM
You must have modified you posts per thread settings.  By the default settings, we are definitely on page 5.

Profile -> Look and Layout -> Messages to display per page:  (default is 25)

But this brings up a good point.  Since that's a variable thing, it would be better to reference reply #100, which does not vary..


Give it up and just start new threads.  It appears Brew has been lost since the E8 season.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 06, 2017, 06:32:56 PM
You must have modified you posts per thread settings.  By the default settings, we are definitely on page 5.

Profile -> Look and Layout -> Messages to display per page:  (default is 25)

But this brings up a good point.  Since that's a variable thing, it would be better to reference reply #100, which does not vary..

Oh absolutely modified. Max PPP always on every site. 25 PPP is for chumps.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: naginiF on January 06, 2017, 09:36:39 PM
Pushing me to what?  I said they did not have the TV contract in my post.  In fact I said it twice.  Did you read it?
you mean that post where you talked about ESPN viewers believing the BE is dead because they ran eulogy on the conference? 
It was not obvious to ESPN watchers the last few years.  They did a eulogy of the league!!

did you read it?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2017, 01:18:34 PM
Georgetown has taken Butler to overtime. Tied at 68 on the Fox mothership.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 07, 2017, 01:29:00 PM
Georgetown has taken Butler to overtime. Tied at 68 on the Fox mothership.

GT just can't figure it out. Had this game won in regulation and are now down 6 with 1 to go into OT.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 07, 2017, 01:30:38 PM
Pryor 0/8 with a goose egg today.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2017, 01:33:15 PM
10-0 run by Butler, put a nail in Georgetown, this one is done.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 07, 2017, 01:34:38 PM
10-0 run by Butler, put a nail in Georgetown, this one is done.

Hoya scoop has got to be in full meltdown.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2017, 01:38:17 PM
GT still fouling with 9 seconds on the clock, trailing by 8. It's over, lads.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GGGG on January 07, 2017, 01:39:28 PM
GT still fouling with 9 seconds on the clock, trailing by 8. It's over, lads.

One thing I appreciate about NBA ball.  When the game is out of reach, the fouling stops.  These college coaches who continue fouling even though there is no chance of a comeback is really annoying.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: T-Bone on January 07, 2017, 02:13:10 PM
You must have modified you posts per thread settings.  By the default settings, we are definitely on page 5.

Profile -> Look and Layout -> Messages to display per page:  (default is 25)

But this brings up a good point.  Since that's a variable thing, it would be better to reference reply #100, which does not vary..
Superbar.  Or start a new thread.  :o
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: SaveOD238 on January 07, 2017, 02:31:35 PM
Hoya scoop has got to be in full meltdown.

Last time Georgetown was 0-4 in conference, John Thompson resigned the next day.  Will we see a repeat tomorrow?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 07, 2017, 02:45:56 PM
One thing I appreciate about NBA ball.  When the game is out of reach, the fouling stops.  These college coaches who continue fouling even though there is no chance of a comeback is really annoying.

JTIII was criticized for calling off the dogs in their previous conference losses. Today's application could have been a response to that.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 09, 2017, 01:16:53 PM
Tonight's game:

SJU @ Georgetown.  5:30 CT on FS1. Georgetown looking to get their 1st BE win.

Standings through 1/8:

#15 Xavier:     3-0
#3 Villanova:  3-1
#8 Creighton: 3-1
#12 Butler:     3-1
Seton Hall:      2-1
St. John's:      2-2
Marquette:      1-2
Providence:     1-3
Depaul:           0-3
Georgetown:   0-4

Other games this week:

Tuesday:
X @ Nova (6pm CT - FS1)
Providence @ Depaul (8pm CT - FS1)

Wednesday:
Seton Hall @ MU (6pm - FS1)
Butler @ Creighton (8pm - FS1)

Saturday:
UCONN @ Georgetown (11am - FOX)
Seton Hall @ Providence (11am - FSN)
Nova @ SJU (11am - FS1)
Truman State @ Creighton (Noon - FS2)
Xavier @ Butler (1pm - FS1)
Depaul @ Marquette (1pm - FSN)

If the favored teams win their games (all home teams, except Prov @ Depaul and Nova @ SJU), standings will look like this next Saturday evening:


#3 Villanova:  5-1
#8 Creighton: 4-1
#12 Butler:     4-2
#15 Xavier:     3-2
Seton Hall:      3-2
Marquette:      3-2
Providence:     2-4
St. John's:      2-4
Georgetown:   1-4
Depaul:           0-5
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 09, 2017, 02:18:50 PM
If the favored teams win their games (all home teams, except Prov @ Depaul and Nova @ SJU), standings will look like this next Saturday evening:


#3 Villanova:  5-1
#8 Creighton: 4-1
#12 Butler:     4-2
#15 Xavier:     3-2
Seton Hall:      3-2
Marquette:      3-2
Providence:     2-4
St. John's:      2-4
Georgetown:   1-4
Depaul:           0-5
Flip flop Georgetown and Providence and the pre-season predictions are spot on.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 09, 2017, 02:32:37 PM
If we're at 3-2 we're in a really good spot.  That leaves us with 6 of our remaining 13 games against teams below us in the standings.  But then we have a gauntlet.  So getting to that 3-2 is incredibly important, because we're probably sitting at 3-5...and still with 6 games against the teams below us in the standings.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 09, 2017, 02:35:12 PM
If we're at 3-2 we're in a really good spot.  That leaves us with 7 of our remaining 13 games against teams below us in the standings.  But then we have a gauntlet.  So getting to that 3-2 is incredibly important, because we're probably sitting at 3-5...and still with 7 games against the teams below us in the standings.

Yep. If we can somehow grab 1 of @ Butler, @ Creighton, vs. Nova, we'll be 4-4, with vs. Prov, @ SJU, @ Depaul as the next three.  Can't find an easier 3 game stretch than that in this league.  Realistically we'll be looking at 3-5 though after vs. Nova.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 09, 2017, 05:41:54 PM
Yep. If we can somehow grab 1 of @ Butler, @ Creighton, vs. Nova, we'll be 4-4, with vs. Prov, @ SJU, @ Depaul as the next three.  Can't find an easier 3 game stretch than that in this league.  Realistically we'll be looking at 3-5 though after vs. Nova.

If we start 4-4, buy your NCAA tickets.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 09, 2017, 06:19:25 PM
If we start 4-4, buy your NCAA tickets.

Yep. Preseason had us starting 2-6 but finishing 10-8. 4-4 start would have me very excited.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 09, 2017, 09:17:50 PM
Georgetown beat The Johnnies 83-55 tonight.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: geps on January 10, 2017, 07:47:08 PM
Nova taking it to the Musketeers. Like to hear the whining on the XU board. They will lose by more than 12.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 10, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Villanova must be coming off of a loss to take it out on Xavier like this, ai'na?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 10, 2017, 07:54:48 PM
Villanova must be coming off of a loss to take it out on Xavier like this, ai'na?
I get your point, but I do think Butler stirred the hornet's nest.  They were playing like crap (for Nova) in the couple of previous games.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: geps on January 10, 2017, 08:07:03 PM
We should be able to take care of XU at hone this time.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 10, 2017, 08:08:30 PM
I get your point, but I do think Butler stirred the hornet's nest.  They were playing like crap (for Nova) in the couple of previous games.

Disagreed. I don't think the nest needed any stirring. Every team at every level in every sport is going to have some poor performances. A lot of good teams are going to lose at Hinkle this year. But when you're the best team in the country you're going to have really good outings more often than not. They had one of those against Marquette. Nova is simply that much better than Marquette (and many teams). They have a gigantic talent advantage at 4 out of 5 positions on the floor and in coaching. It had nothing to do with more hunger or anger because of a loss. It had everything to do with talent.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: naginiF on January 10, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
Nova taking it to the Musketeers. Like to hear the whining on the XU board. They will lose by more than 12.
I switched to watch the Presidents speech.......cant wait to hear how X really gave up during garbage time and therefore MU's performance is lessened.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 10, 2017, 09:02:30 PM
I switched to watch the Presidents speech.......cant wait to hear how X really gave up during garbage time and therefore MU's performance is lessened.

The game ended before the President's speech started....you could have watched both in their entirety. But then you couldn't have made a trolling, snarky comment. So there's that.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: naginiF on January 10, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
The game ended before the President's speech started....you could have watched both in their entirety. But then you couldn't have made a trolling, snarky comment. So there's that.
i stick with my choice. 

also....sorry for taking away your ability to diminish MU's performance?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2017, 09:39:23 PM
Nova taking it to the Musketeers. Like to hear the whining on the XU board. They will lose by more than 12.

I think X is the one team above us that we can take at home.  Butler maybe but they can match up better than X.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 10, 2017, 09:44:25 PM
I think X is the one team above us that we can take at home.  Butler maybe but they can match up better than X.

So you think we'll go 5-4 or worse at home?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2017, 09:52:15 PM
So you think we'll go 5-4 or worse at home?

6-3.  I think we get SH tomorrow.  I see them in our range. 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 10, 2017, 10:23:56 PM
DePaul beats Providence in their secret scrimmage at Allstate with a last second traditional 3 point play by Billy Garrett Jr.......
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: RJax55 on January 10, 2017, 10:27:11 PM
DePaul beats Providence in their secret scrimmage at Allstate with a last second traditional 3 point play by Billy Garrett Jr.......

Classic example of a team playing the clock, instead of the opponent the last 6 minutes. Providence blew that game taking the air out of the ball.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: BM1090 on January 10, 2017, 10:27:54 PM
DePaul beats Providence in their secret scrimmage at Allstate with a last second traditional 3 point play by Billy Garrett Jr.......

That last part sounds familiar.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 10, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
DePaul beats Providence in their secret scrimmage at Allstate with a last second traditional 3 point play by Billy Garrett Jr.......

If you missed that game...PC drew up an excellent play down 1 worth 4.5 seconds. Cartwright missed a wide open lay up. Brutal.

Honestly don't hate it for us though. The 6th spot is looking like it's ours if we want it, and his league very well may get 6 in. Obviously hoping we can get ahead of Seton Hall for the 5th spot.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: geps on January 11, 2017, 08:58:12 AM
I think X is the one team above us that we can take at home.  Butler maybe but they can match up better than X.
Butler lost to Indiana St and St John's on road surely they can lose to us. And yes we can beat x at home too. Creighton is wild card.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: wadesworld on January 11, 2017, 09:01:21 AM
The only game I am certain we can't win is Nova at home.  I'm fairly certain we can't beat Creighton on the road, but won't say 100% positive.  Butler on the road, Creighton at home, and Xavier on the road are far more likely losses than wins.  The rest of the games?  Wouldn't be surprised with a win in any of them and wouldn't be surprised with a loss in any of them.

The Big East is tough.  We are solid but not great.  And when you're a solid team who is solid because of your ability to shoot, you can win some games against teams that might be better than you/in places that are difficult to win.  But you can also lose some games you shouldn't.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 14, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
Providence 65 - Seton Hall 61

Helps MU's cause!
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 14, 2017, 01:19:15 PM
Providence 65 - Seton Hall 61

Helps MU's cause!

Not sure it helps anyone in the Big East except Providence.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 14, 2017, 01:31:06 PM
Not sure it helps anyone in the Big East except Providence.

Since MU is tied with Seton Hall for fifth place I think that helps us.

Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 14, 2017, 01:34:31 PM
Since MU is tied with Seton Hall for fifth place I think that helps us.

Our resume is independent of Seton Hall's. This league should get 6 bids, but needs both Marquette and Seton Hall to keep up their end.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 14, 2017, 01:39:15 PM
Our resume is independent of Seton Hall's. This league should get 6 bids, but needs both Marquette and Seton Hall to keep up their end.

I get where you're coming from.  Seton Hall can keep up their end below MU in the standings...
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 14, 2017, 02:35:59 PM
Big East Coast Bias ‏@becb_sbn  54s55 seconds ago
Current Big East is 27-6 vs. former Big East teams since realignment.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 14, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
Our resume is independent of Seton Hall's. This league should get 6 bids, but needs both Marquette and Seton Hall to keep up their end.

True, but I want to finish 5th or higher, if for no other reason than seeding in the BET.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 14, 2017, 02:49:42 PM
True, but I want to finish 5th or higher, if for no other reason than seeding in the BET.

+1
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 14, 2017, 03:11:32 PM
+1

+100.

MU is battling Hall for the 5th spot. Any loss by that dumpster fire program is a good thing.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: forgetful on January 14, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
Butler fouled up 3, with 9 seconds left to allow Sumner to get 2 Fts.  Poor decision, see if it hurts them.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 14, 2017, 03:24:58 PM
+100.

MU is battling Hall for the 5th spot. Any loss by that dumpster fire program is a good thing.

Hard to call SHU a dumpster fire at this point. At least if you have any idea what you're talking about, that is.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: fjm on January 14, 2017, 03:28:27 PM
Big East Coast Bias ‏@becb_sbn  54s55 seconds ago
Current Big East is 27-6 vs. former Big East teams since realignment.

Good!
Fug em!
Go MU!
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 14, 2017, 03:59:05 PM
Hard to call SHU a dumpster fire at this point. At least if you have any idea what you're talking about, that is.

Oh it absolutely is. They are near bankrupt and have had some questionable behavioral issues over the years. Its just a different kind of dumpster fire.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 14, 2017, 04:03:22 PM
Oh it absolutely is. They are near bankrupt and have had some questionable behavioral issues over the years. Its just a different kind of dumpster fire.

Meh. Pretty solid basketball program IMO.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 14, 2017, 04:07:57 PM
Meh. Pretty solid basketball program 2014 recruiting class IMO.

FIFY
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: jsglow on January 14, 2017, 04:17:44 PM
True, but I want to finish 5th or higher, if for no other reason than seeding in the BET.

The BEast's 5th place team dances almost 100% for sure.  I want 5th (or better).
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 14, 2017, 04:22:38 PM
Hard to call SHU a dumpster fire at this point. At least if you have any idea what you're talking about, that is.

It's a good thing I do have an idea what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Skitch on January 14, 2017, 09:59:42 PM
How come Creighton played a D2 team today?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 14, 2017, 11:20:25 PM
How come Creighton played a D2 team today?

They were forced to by the Big East so they wouldn't have an unfair scheduling advantage with everyone playing on Monday. Creighton chose a D2 team because there weren't any quality opponents available and they didn't want an RPI hit from a sub-300.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: forgetful on January 14, 2017, 11:27:18 PM
They were forced to by the Big East so they wouldn't have an unfair scheduling advantage with everyone playing on Monday. Creighton chose a D2 team because there weren't any quality opponents available and they didn't want an RPI hit from a sub-300.

Scoop is always there with great info.  Thanks, this makes sense.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 15, 2017, 04:44:27 AM
I noticed Gtown and Nova are playing OOC games in between conference games. How come MU does not spread out its OOC schedule like that?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 15, 2017, 05:29:30 AM
I noticed Gtown and Nova are playing OOC games in between conference games. How come MU does not spread out its OOC schedule like that?

Is the post about Creighton playing a D2 team yesterday.  Same thing applies.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 15, 2017, 08:37:49 AM
I noticed Gtown and Nova are playing OOC games in between conference games. How come MU does not spread out its OOC schedule like that?

We tried that last year, but everyone just complained about Stetson.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 15, 2017, 09:28:15 AM
Scoop is always there with great info.  Thanks, this makes sense.

Announcer said that the TSU coach played for McDermott when at Northern Iowa so was doing him a favor.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 15, 2017, 01:29:41 PM
We tried that last year, but everyone just complained about Stetson.

2003 MU played Wake Forest during conference play.  Josh Howard was on that team, which went on to get a 2 seed.  Big time atmosphere for that game.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 15, 2017, 02:23:00 PM
2003 MU played Wake Forest during conference play.  Josh Howard was on that team, which went on to get a 2 seed.  Big time atmosphere for that game.

Didn't think I needed teal there. I was at that Wake game, great environment. Wade went over 1,000 points for his career that night, though by his standards had a very mediocre performance.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Windyplayer on January 15, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
Didn't think I needed teal there. I was at that Wake game, great environment. Wade went over 1,000 points for his career that night, though by his standards had a very mediocre performance.
That *afternoon*. Sunday game. Remember it like it was yesterday.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 16, 2017, 01:58:27 PM
Well, sucks for Creighton but it looks like Mo Watson just blew out his knee. Contactless play and told McDermott that "Im done, I heard it pop."
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: naginiF on January 16, 2017, 02:07:02 PM
Well, sucks for Creighton but it looks like Mo Watson just blew out his knee. Contactless play and told McDermott that "Im done, I heard it pop."
He was in real pain - too bad for the kid
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2017, 02:57:37 PM
Hate to see a quality player like Watson go down.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 16, 2017, 03:02:18 PM
Creighton's equivalent of having DJames break his foot.   The diagnosis can determine the rest of their season. 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: fjm on January 16, 2017, 06:13:44 PM
No participation trophy for us today. And yes nova crushed us.

But atleast we played a game today. Hall is down almost 20 with 7 left in the first half.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 16, 2017, 07:07:30 PM
No participation trophy for us today. And yes nova crushed us.

But atleast we played a game today. Hall is down almost 20 with 7 left in the first half.

Hall is getting destroyed. Not even competing. Third in a row for a team many consider NCAA quality (and, bizarrely, Dickey Simpkins thought they were title worthy) with a ton of experienced players.

There is a lecture that can be had about the conference and perspective but I'll spend my time watching the flames rise from this dumpster fire. 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 16, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Hall is getting destroyed. Not even competing. Third in a row for a team many consider NCAA quality (and, bizarrely, Dickey Simpkins thought they were title worthy) with a ton of experienced players.

There is a lecture that can be had about the conference and perspective but I'll spend my time watching the flames rise from this dumpster fire.

Dickie Simpkins thought that an Isaiah Whitehead - less Seton Hall team was title worthy? Dumb, but then again it's only Dickie Simpkins.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 16, 2017, 07:28:39 PM
Dickie Simpkins thought that an Isaiah Whitehead - less Seton Hall team was title worthy? Dumb, but then again it's only Dickie Simpkins.

A masterclass in nonsense every game for Simpkins. He stated in second half of game in Milwaukee last week that if Hall were to compete with Nova and Creighton for the title, "like I think they are capable", then they have to hit their free throws down the stretch on the road. 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 16, 2017, 07:32:46 PM
A masterclass in nonsense every game for Simpkins. He stated in second half of game in Milwaukee last week that if Hall were to compete with Nova and Creighton for the title, "like I think they are capable", then they have to hit their free throws down the stretch on the road.

He's a beauty.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: fjm on January 16, 2017, 07:41:27 PM
I'm not angry to be seeing hall struggle. If we can get a bit of separation between 5th and 6th in the league I'm all for it. (Of course assuming we are 5th)
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 18, 2017, 04:25:40 PM
Standings through 1/16:

#1 Villanova:  6-1
#7 Creighton: 5-1
#13 Butler:     5-2
#22 Xavier:     3-3
Marquette:      3-3
Providence:     3-4
St. John's:      3-4
Seton Hall:      2-4
Georgetown:   1-5
Depaul:           1-5



Saturday's Slate:

Providence @ Nova (11am - FOX)
Butler @ Depaul (1pm - FS2)
Marquette @ Creighton (130pm - FS1)

Sunday:

SJU @ Seton Hall (11am - FS1)
Georgetown @ Xavier (1pm - CBS)
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: KampusFoods on January 18, 2017, 04:27:09 PM
Standings through 1/16:

#1 Villanova:  6-1
#7 Creighton: 5-1
#13 Butler:     5-2
#22 Butler:     3-3
Marquette:      3-3
Providence:     3-4
St. John's:      3-4
Seton Hall:      2-4
Georgetown:   1-5
Depaul:           1-5



Saturday's Slate:

Providence @ Nova (11am - FOX)
Butler @ Depaul (1pm - FS2)
Marquette @ Creighton (130pm - FS1)

Sunday:

SJU @ Seton Hall (11am - FS1)
Georgetown @ Xavier (1pm - CBS)

Xavier couldn't even crack the top 10 of the conference eh?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 18, 2017, 04:37:33 PM
Xavier couldn't even crack the top 10 of the conference eh?

Lol, thanks!
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: BM1090 on January 20, 2017, 11:30:20 PM
Sorry if I missed it but I didn't see it posted anywhere.

Myles Davis is leaving Xavier for undisclosed reasons.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 20, 2017, 11:42:16 PM
And a link, for those interested

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18520637/myles-davis-says-done-xavier-musketeers-three-games-returning
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: forgetful on January 20, 2017, 11:56:43 PM
And a link, for those interested

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18520637/myles-davis-says-done-xavier-musketeers-three-games-returning

Not sure this affects Xavier at all.  Really the mistake was bringing him back at all...that (especially with him then abruptly leaving) probably had a negative effect on team morale and cohesiveness.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: naginiF on January 21, 2017, 01:24:11 PM
"Guess i'll watch Butler beat up on DePaul for a few minutes before the game starts."
*flips on TV*
*feels much worse about our first half against Butler*

I can't imagine the angst their fan base must have these last two weeks
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: forgetful on January 21, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
"Guess i'll watch Butler beat up on DePaul for a few minutes before the game starts."
*flips on TV*
*feels much worse about our first half against Butler*

I can't imagine the angst their fan base must have these last two weeks

And Butler won't have the hometown refs to bail them out of this one like they did against us and Xavier.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2017, 01:36:31 PM
Villanova beat Providence. DePaul up by 5 over Butler 5 minutes left first half.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Oldgym on January 22, 2017, 01:29:59 PM
Hall defeats St John's, 86-73
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: tower912 on January 22, 2017, 01:46:21 PM
Georgetown v X.  Both teams look beatable.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: geps on January 22, 2017, 01:48:33 PM
Hall defeats St John's, 86-73
AD 21 and 20 for his 234th double double.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 22, 2017, 02:18:53 PM
AD 21 and 20 for his 234th double double.

Thought he was a senior as well and we never had to see him again. NOPE.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 22, 2017, 03:27:41 PM
Thought he was a senior as well and we never had to see him again. NOPE.

The way he swallows rebounds, Marquette may never face him again.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2017, 10:54:00 PM
Xavier beat Georgetown
Big East RPI looking good
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_bige_Men.html
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Skitch on January 23, 2017, 04:33:00 AM
Sorry if I missed it but I didn't see it posted anywhere.

Myles Davis is leaving Xavier for undisclosed reasons.

If leaving Xavier is cool consider me Myles Davis.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 23, 2017, 08:20:30 AM
If leaving Xavier is cool consider me Myles Davis.

Well done!
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 25, 2017, 09:04:03 PM
Georgetown beat Creighton. St Johns beat Providence. League is tough top to bottom.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: geps on January 25, 2017, 09:34:09 PM
Georgetown beat Creighton. St Johns beat Providence. League is tough top to bottom.
Uh oh is that bad for us? The Friars are pissed.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: jsglow on January 25, 2017, 09:39:06 PM
Uh oh is that bad for us? The Friars are pissed.

Don't think it matters much either way.  We simply need to play our game and take care of business.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MUMountin on January 25, 2017, 10:47:45 PM
Don't think it matters much either way.  We simply need to play our game and take care of business.

Not really clear how good PC is this year.  They beat Georgetown twice, and Seton Hall at home, but have lost to everyone else so far in BE (including DePaul and now St. John's).    Best win in non-conference was Rhode Island, but also lost to a bad Boston College team.  It seems like they might be down again this year after losing both Dunn and Bentil.  We'll see on Saturday.  But, conference games are always tough, and like glow says, we just need to TCOB.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2017, 08:14:53 PM
Great atmosphere  with a ton of students at the Cincy Xavier game.  Tough loss for Xavier.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: bilsu on January 26, 2017, 08:53:21 PM
Not really clear how good PC is this year.  They beat Georgetown twice, and Seton Hall at home, but have lost to everyone else so far in BE (including DePaul and now St. John's).    Best win in non-conference was Rhode Island, but also lost to a bad Boston College team.  It seems like they might be down again this year after losing both Dunn and Bentil.  We'll see on Saturday.  But, conference games are always tough, and like glow says, we just need to TCOB.
Had DePaul not missed the free throw at the end of regulation Butler would have also lost to DePaul and St. John's.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MUMountin on January 26, 2017, 10:27:37 PM
Had DePaul not missed the free throw at the end of regulation Butler would have also lost to DePaul and St. John's.

Missed that game, but fair point. 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on January 27, 2017, 07:49:32 AM
st johns backcourt is tough will be a fun game when we play them
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2017, 01:56:58 PM
Virginia playing Villanova tough ar the Wells Fargo center
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 29, 2017, 02:03:12 PM
Capacity crowd. Largest crowd in building history. Nova down most of game 8-12. Struggled from 3 and inside the lane. But they hit 4-5 3's late and they are finding ways to draw fouls to get FT's. Tight late. UVA playing well, a good team. Ty Jerome having a great game for UVA
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: shoothoops on January 29, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
Donte DiVincenzo 0.1 tip in to win it for Villanova. Wow.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 29, 2017, 02:28:38 PM
Ya quite a game there. Nova looked terrible for most of the game. But got hot the last 10 mins.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2017, 02:28:46 PM
Great ending to Villanova game. Have followed the freshman from UVA, Ty Jerome, who made tying shot with 11 seconds ,  for some time. I think he is ready to break out.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 29, 2017, 03:17:16 PM
Ms. Legs said crowd was craziest (as well as biggest for a college game) at Wells Fargo in her two years.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on January 29, 2017, 06:35:39 PM
Great ending.

Congrats to Nova.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: LloydsLegs on January 29, 2017, 06:55:50 PM
Great ending.

Congrats to Nova.

And good for the conference.  Balances out the Xavier loss to Cincy.

And yes to Real Chili last night, after a wildly unadvisable mixture of beverages all day/night.  Ms Katie's Diner this morning helped to get me back together again.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 29, 2017, 06:58:50 PM
Looks like Sumner may have just torn up his knee. Looked awful. Straight to the locker room.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on January 29, 2017, 06:59:06 PM
And good for the conference.  Balances out the Xavier loss to Cincy.

And yes to Real Chili last night, after a wildly unadvisable mixture of beverages all day/night.  Ms Katie's Diner this morning helped to get me back together again.

Well done, Grasshoper. 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 29, 2017, 07:04:51 PM
I am impressed by neither St. John's nor Xavier. X turning the ball over at will and missing bunny after bunny. St. John's is just streetballing their way to victory.

I can't imagine Sumner has many of these scares left before they shut him down.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2017, 07:30:06 PM
Xavier ekes out road win at the Garden over The Johnnies. An ugly game for sure. I hope St. John's doesn't have a good night shooting against us though.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on January 29, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
Xavier ekes out road win at the Garden over The Johnnies. An ugly game for sure. I hope St. John's doesn't have a good night shooting against us though.
We could just play good defense
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2017, 10:27:06 PM
We could just play good defense
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2017, 02:32:20 PM
Zach Hanson back in lineup for Creighton after an injury kept him out most of the season. Working his way back , he has played the last two games. Obviously Hanson doesn't replace Watson, but it is helpful to have another talented Big Man in the lineup.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: WOJOSWARRIORS77 on January 30, 2017, 06:22:45 PM
Markus, love the guy. He has adjusted very well. As well as Sam. Call me crazy, but I'd like to see more minutes from Deon. I think Franklin could possibly be one of our better players. Guy looks like an NFL player. Could use him on the boards...
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 30, 2017, 06:28:16 PM
You're crazy
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on January 30, 2017, 06:33:06 PM
So...Deon just made a Scoop account?  ;D
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on January 30, 2017, 08:44:54 PM
So...Deon just made a Scoop account?  ;D
Heard it was his cousin Done  ;D
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on January 30, 2017, 10:10:47 PM
Heard it was his cousin Done  ;D
;D
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: geps on January 31, 2017, 08:33:35 PM
Butler loses back to back home games? What the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2017, 11:53:58 PM
Creighton figuring out their post Watson lineup with a good win over Butler on the road. Looks like Davions Mintz and Tyler Clement sharing time at point and  I think Zach Hanson coming back is slight positive as well.

Georgetown win  over DePaul helps everyone in the league.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 01, 2017, 08:37:17 AM
Creighton figuring out their post Watson lineup with a good win over Butler on the road. Looks like Davions Mintz and Tyler Clement sharing time at point and  I think Zach Hanson coming back is slight positive as well.

Georgetown win  over DePaul helps everyone in the league.
The Georgetown game was close at half time i was surprised
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: tower912 on February 01, 2017, 08:40:36 AM
Creighton just beat Butler up.   Patton played very well.   A warning for when Creighton comes to Milwaukee.   
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: KampusFoods on February 01, 2017, 09:02:28 AM
The Georgetown game was close at half time i was surprised

Close the whole game, a i n a?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on February 01, 2017, 09:15:34 AM
Unsure what's been more fun to read, the expectation Creighton would crumble or the surprise that they haven't. One thing that's clear is people aren't familiar with their personnel since they likely haven't watched the Jays outside of the 21st.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 01, 2017, 11:15:31 AM
Unsure what's been more fun to read, the expectation Creighton would crumble or the surprise that they haven't. One thing that's clear is people aren't familiar with their personnel since they likely haven't watched the Jays outside of the 21st.

I'm not saying they will crumble, but they certainly aren't as good. Beating Butler on the road is tough but not a sign that Creighton is back either. Creighton shot absurdly well and Butler shot absurdly poor. It happens. I've given up trying to predict the Big East, too much parity. We're going to end up with Nova on top, Depaul on bottom and 8 teams with 7-11 losses.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on February 01, 2017, 11:19:17 AM
Butler, while good, has struggled to put complete games together in league play. Doesn't surprise me that it's starting to catch up to them.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on February 01, 2017, 12:11:54 PM
Butler, while good, has struggled to put complete games together in league play. Doesn't surprise me that it's starting to catch up to them.
Hopefully we can beat them next time we play them
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2017, 11:39:24 PM
Good Win for Xavier tonight over Seton Hall . Excellent coaching.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 03, 2017, 04:26:42 PM
Creighton players  figuring out their post Watson strategy. Teamwork.
http://www.omaha.com/creighton/mens-basketball/marcus-foster-s-studying-reveals-jays-must-keep-the-ball/article_7cc11e0f-8fcf-5070-8c0d-6e66082fc7a5.html
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 04, 2017, 05:43:59 PM
Tough loss for Creighton today. Missed layups and free throws at the end hurt.  Big road win for Xavier.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2017, 08:41:39 PM
Xavier with solid win over DePaul. Providence up by 5 at half over Seton Hall, good quality Big East game.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 08, 2017, 09:33:33 PM
Watching PC - Seton hall game wondering why teams never play like this against us.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on February 08, 2017, 10:48:49 PM
Watching PC - Seton hall game wondering why teams never play like this against us.

We don't have the defense to make them play like that?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2017, 10:56:09 PM
Seton Hall wins in overtime. Was a good game.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 10, 2017, 08:16:04 AM
 Saturday 2/11/17

 10:30AM- Marquette at Georgetown, FOX -Tim Brando, Stephen Bardo, Lisa Byington (reporter)

 11am- Seton Hall @ St. John's, CBSSN-- Rich Waltz, Doug Gottlieb and sideline reporter Jon Rothstein

 1PM- Creighton @ DePaul, FS1- Jeff Levering, Dickey Simpkins

 1:30PM- Villanova @ Xavier, FOX- Gus Johnson, Jim Jackson, Shannon Spake

 3:00PM- Butler @ Providence, CBSSN- Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas & Jamie Erdahl
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: fjm on February 10, 2017, 08:20:00 AM
Saturday 2/11/17

 10:30AM- Marquette at Georgetown, FOX -Tim Brando, Stephen Bardo, Lisa Byington (reporter)

 11am- Seton Hall @ St. John's, CBSSN-- Rich Waltz, Doug Gottlieb and sideline reporter Jon Rothstein

 1PM- Creighton @ DePaul, FS1- Jeff Levering, Dickey Simpkins

 1:30PM- Villanova @ Xavier, FOX- Gus Johnson, Jim Jackson, Shannon Spake

 3:00PM- Butler @ Providence, CBSSN- Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas & Jamie Erdahl

Ok so...
Let's go MU!
Let's go St Johns
Let's go DePaul
Let's go nova
And let's go butler!
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 10, 2017, 08:55:53 AM
Ok so...
Let's go MU!
Let's go St Johns
Let's go DePaul
Let's go nova
And let's go butler!

Definitely want Creighton to beat Depaul.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: BM1090 on February 10, 2017, 09:09:54 AM
Definitely want Creighton to beat Depaul.

Yeah and I'm not sure about St. John's over SHU either. I don't know how to feel about that one. Definitely rooting for Nova and Butler.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: fjm on February 10, 2017, 09:11:49 AM
Yeah and I'm not sure about St. John's over SHU either. I don't know how to feel about that one. Definitely rooting for Nova and Butler.

My reasoning is wanting to have the teams directly below us drop a bit farther away. And the teams way ahead of us, keep going up.

And then the teams that we are reachable, I would like to gal closer to us.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 10, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
What's best for the conference and what's best for us don't necessarily align....though us beating GTWN is best for both!
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on February 10, 2017, 10:37:31 AM
Yeah and I'm not sure about St. John's over SHU either. I don't know how to feel about that one. Definitely rooting for Nova and Butler.

Hall is the only real competition for our spot. Even if the Johnnies end up level record-wise with Marquette, they are not getting a berth. MU can likely kill off the remote chance for Hoyas with a win tomorrow. PC isn't getting to the tourney.

So, any chance Hall gets to lose both provides a cushion for when MU inevitably loses down the stretch and a cushion in the eyes of the committee. Here's hoping LoVett/Ponds play like they did against MU and not how they played against Nova.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 10, 2017, 10:37:45 AM
We don't have the defense to make them play like that?

Lol, yah, I'm sure that is it. But man, turnovers and missed wide open shots galore. 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 10, 2017, 10:39:09 AM
Ok so...
Let's go MU!
Let's go St Johns
Let's go DePaul
Let's go nova
And let's go butler!

Ehhh.

Think we want the Hall over SJU, but I could see the argument the other way. No way BE gets lets than 5, and I suppose Hall is our biggest competitor for that spot.

Definitely want Creighton over Depaul. 

The rest I agree with.   
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 15, 2017, 10:14:24 AM
X @ PC 5:30 FS1

Creighton @ Seton Hall 7:00 CBSSN

SJU @ Butler 7:30 FS1

We should pull for X, Creighton and Butler (could see an argument for SJU). 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on February 15, 2017, 01:45:14 PM
X @ PC 5:30 FS1

Creighton @ Seton Hall 7:00 CBSSN

SJU @ Butler 7:30 FS1

We should pull for X, Creighton and Butler (could see an argument for SJU).
No I want SJU to lose we need to finish at least 5th in BE
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: muguru on February 15, 2017, 04:39:31 PM
X @ PC 5:30 FS1

Creighton @ Seton Hall 7:00 CBSSN

SJU @ Butler 7:30 FS1

We should pull for X, Creighton and Butler (could see an argument for SJU).

How things have changed...a week or 10 days ago, when I THOUGHT MU still had a good chance of finishing 2nd, I would have been rooting hard against Butler, Creighton and X...then the Georgetown sh*tshow happened, and it's survival time, so Hall, PC and SJU all need to lose.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 15, 2017, 09:17:59 PM
Looks like Hall is gonna knock off Creighton. The middle gets a little more jammed...two games are gonna separate 3rd and 8th..and 3 from 2nd to 9th.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Windyplayer on February 15, 2017, 09:19:14 PM
The BE is cannibalizing at an alarming rate. We suspected this may happen.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: EaglesNest on February 15, 2017, 09:20:51 PM
Yup, Seton Hall just won 87-81
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: muguru on February 15, 2017, 09:21:49 PM
Just an awful night for MU...watch Xavier without Sumner and Bluiett Saturday...beat MU. That Xavier team tonight was AWFUL. No reason MU should lose to them.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 15, 2017, 09:28:34 PM
Just an awful night for MU...watch Xavier without Sumner and Bluiett Saturday...beat MU. That Xavier team tonight was AWFUL. No reason MU should lose to them.

Yes and no. Obviously we preferred to see Creighton and X win, but if MU takes care of business they are fine. Could theoretically catch X if they swept em.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: BM1090 on February 15, 2017, 10:16:33 PM
Just an awful night for MU...watch Xavier without Sumner and Bluiett Saturday...beat MU. That Xavier team tonight was AWFUL. No reason MU should lose to them.

Disagree. Other bubble results went our way. I'd rather Big East bubble teams win if some have to. We own a win over SHU and have a chance still against PC.

Agree we should beat X minus Bluiett. We need to win the next two.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 16, 2017, 02:45:15 PM
Here are the remaining schedules for BE teams:

Villanova (12-2):
@ Creighton
vs. Butler
vs. Depaul
@ SJU


Butler (9-5):
vs. Depaul
@ Nova
@ X
vs. SHU


Creighton (8-5):
vs. Georgetown
vs. PC
@ NOVA
vs. SJU
@ Marquette


Xavier (8-5):
@ MU
@ SHU
vs. Butler
vs. MU
@ Depaul


SHU (6-7):
vs. Nova
vs. X
@ Depaul
vs. Georgetown
@ Butler


Marquette (6-7):
vs. X
vs. SJU
@ PC
@ X
vs. Creighton


PC (6-8):
@ Creighton
vs. MU
vs. Depaul
@ SJU


SJU (6-8):
@ Marquette
vs. Georgtown
@ Creighton
vs. PC


Georgetown (5-8):
@ Creighton
vs. Depaul
@ SJU
@ SHU
vs. Nova


Depaul (1-12):
@ Butler
@ Georgetown
vs. SHU
@ PC
vs. X


Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on February 16, 2017, 03:02:13 PM
Here are the remaining schedules for BE teams:

Villanova (12-2):
@ Creighton
vs. Marquette
vs. Depaul
@ SJU


Butler (9-5):
vs. Depaul
@ Nova
@ X
vs. SHU


Creighton (8-5):
vs. Georgetown
vs. PC
@ NOVA
vs. SJU
@ Marquette


Xavier (8-5):
@ MU
@ SHU
vs. Butler
vs. MU
@ Depaul


SHU (6-7):
vs. Nova
vs. X
@ Depaul
vs. Georgetown
@ Butler


Marquette (6-7):
vs. X
vs. SJU
@ PC
@ X
vs. Creighton


PC (6-8):
@ Creighton
vs. MU
vs. Depaul
@ SJU


SJU (6-8):
@ Marquette
vs. Georgtown
@ Creighton
vs. PC


Georgetown (5-8):
@ Creighton
vs. Depaul
@ SJU
@ SHU
vs. Nova


Depaul (1-12):
@ Butler
@ Georgetown
vs. SHU
@ PC
vs. X
oops
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 16, 2017, 03:03:58 PM
With Sagrin's projected finishes:


Villanova (12-2):
@ SHU - WIN
vs. Butler - WIN
vs. Creighton  - WIN
@ Georgetown - WIN

16-2


Butler (9-5):
vs. Depaul - WIN
@ Nova - LOSS
@ X - LOSS
vs. SHU - WIN

11-7


Creighton (8-5):
vs. Georgetown - WIN
vs. PC - WIN
@ NOVA - LOSS
vs. SJU - WIN
@ Marquette - WIN

12-6


Xavier (8-5):
@ MU - LOSS
@ SHU - WIN
vs. Butler - WIN
vs. MU - WIN
@ Depaul - WIN

12-6


SHU (6-7):
vs. Nova - LOSS
vs. X - LOSS
@ Depaul - WIN
vs. Georgetown - WIN
@ Butler - LOSS

8-10


Marquette (6-7):
vs. X - WIN
vs. SJU - WIN
@ PC - WIN (straight 50/50)
@ X - LOSS
vs. Creighton - LOSS

9-9


PC (6-8):
@ Creighton - LOSS
vs. MU - LOSS (straight 50/50)
vs. Depaul - WIN
@ SJU - WIN * Sagrin says 47% chance of W, but I am giving it to them

8-10


SJU (6-8):
@ Marquette - LOSS
vs. Georgetown - LOSS
@ Creighton - LOSS
vs. PC  - LOSS (Sagrin gives them 53% chance of winning, but giving PC the W to make things more interesting)

6-12


Georgetown (5-8):
@ Creighton - LOSS
vs. Depaul - WIN
@ SJU - WIN
@ SHU - LOSS
vs. Nova - LOSS

7-11


Depaul (1-12):
@ Butler - LOSS
@ Georgetown - LOSS
vs. SHU - LOSS
@ PC - LOSS
vs. X - LOSS

1-17

Final standings would look like:
Villanova 16-2
Xavier 12-6
Creighton 12-6
Butler 11-7
Marquette 9-9
Seton Hall 8-10
Providence 8 -10
Georgetown 7-11
St. Johns 6-12
Depaul 1-17
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 16, 2017, 03:10:23 PM
Takeaways:

- Obviously our date with PC in Providence is going to be huge.  PC has two very winnable games to finish the year, and if we drop that one, it means we probably need to get Xavier at their place.  A PC win a Creighton on Saturday is going to make things very interesting.  Go Creighton!

- Sagrin likes X alot more than X is currently playing.  Cant see them finishing 4-1 down the stretch, but we need to kick them while they're down on Saturday.

-Creighton at home the final day of the season may be the difference between us sweating it out or being a bit more relaxed on Selection Sunday.

- Seton Hall still has three homes games against Nova, X and Georgetown and road game against Butler.  Tough road, but lots of opportunities for big wins. 

- Outside of home date with SJU, Georgetown has a gauntlet and is going to get knocked off the bubble pretty quick.

- Depaul sucks. 

- This thing is still wide the f**k open.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 19, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Creighton beat Georgetown, which helps us. Butler did their part against Depaul as well.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 19, 2017, 10:13:55 PM
Creighton and Butler winning good for league overall .  MU can control is destiny by winning out the rest of the schedule.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: cheese ball chaser on February 21, 2017, 01:13:07 PM
So who are we pulling for tomorrow - X or SHU?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 21, 2017, 01:15:02 PM
So, do we want Xavier to beat SHU tomorrow or vice versa? Not sure which one is better for us...

That game is tomorrow, but we should definitely be pulling for X.  A loss would push SHU to 6-9.  We should also pull for Nova (over Butler) and Creighton (over PC).
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: cheese ball chaser on February 21, 2017, 01:17:40 PM
That game is tomorrow, but we should definitely be pulling for X.  A loss would push SHU to 6-9.  We should also pull for Nova (over Butler) and Creighton (over PC).

Yup, saw that. Did a ninja edit and then realized X win is better  8-)
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: KampusFoods on February 21, 2017, 01:25:44 PM
So who are we pulling for tomorrow - X or SHU?

Probably X in the interest of weakening SHU's tourney hopes. They're right there with us on the bubble. Gives us some separation from them in the league standings. Of course if SHU wins and we beat STJ, we will be tied for 4th with X. Also a good thing.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: cheese ball chaser on February 21, 2017, 01:29:27 PM
Probably X in the interest of weakening SHU's tourney hopes. They're right there with us on the bubble. Gives us some separation from them in the league standings. Of course if SHU wins and we beat STJ, we will be tied for 4th with X. Also a good thing.

I suppose it doesn't make a yuge difference, one way or another
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on February 21, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
We don't want the wheels to come off the wagon too soon for X so probably best that they win. If  The Hall wins it probably is ok as it further solidifies them as a tournament candidate . At this point we want as many Big East teams tournament worthy as possible . Helps our cause in terms of getting in the tournament and financially it is good for the league.

St Johns screwed the whole league by losing to a bunch of bad teams.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 21, 2017, 03:51:35 PM
Wednesday in the Big East
DePaul/Georgetown, CBSSN--Andrew Catalon, Steve Lappas and Evan Washburn (reporter)
Providence/Creighton, FSN--Steve Physioc, Nick Bahe
Xavier/Seton Hall, FS1--Joe Davis, Donny Marshall
Butler/Villanova, FS1--Tim Brando, Bill Raftery
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: fjm on February 21, 2017, 04:54:44 PM
So who are we pulling for tomorrow - X or SHU?

Depends.
If we win tonight we want seton hall I'd think.
Vice versa.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on February 21, 2017, 05:11:02 PM
Depends.
If we win tonight we want seton hall I'd think.
Vice versa.

I'd say quite the opposite. Win or lose tonight and you root for Hall loss. Hall is only real competition for fifth bid in the conference. We need separation from them (we can create two game separation from SJU and PC by defeating them this week) to enhance our Tournament bid.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on February 21, 2017, 09:39:23 PM
I'd say quite the opposite. Win or lose tonight and you root for Hall loss. Hall is only real competition for fifth bid in the conference. We need separation from them (we can create two game separation from SJU and PC by defeating them this week) to enhance our Tournament bid.

Our bid will be based on our merits. Win 2 more and we're in regardless. Win 1 and we've got a good shot. SHU can win or lose and will likely have virtually no impact on that.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on February 21, 2017, 09:46:03 PM
Our bid will be based on our merits. Win 2 more and we're in regardless. Win 1 and we've got a good shot. SHU can win or lose and will likely have virtually no impact on that.

Considering their attractive computer numbers, if there's a three game separation between MU and Hall with the teams having split their two games it would be a good thing. We need all the good things we can get.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 21, 2017, 09:47:59 PM
Considering their attractive computer numbers, if there's a three game separation between MU and Hall with the teams having split their two games it would be a good thing. We need all the good things we can get.

Agreed. I would rather SHU be the 6th team than Us.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 22, 2017, 01:44:38 PM
Just for sh*ts and gigs, I looked to see what seed we would get if we won out and ended in a three way tie for 2nd place with Creighton (2-2 finish) and Butler (1-2 finish).  Pretty sure we would end up in 3rd.

1) Mini-conference record would all be tied at 2-2 between MU, CU and Butler. 

2) Next tie breaker is record versus the highest seeded team.  That would be Nova.  MU and Butler both 1-1.  So CU eliminated.  Then it goes back to head-to-head, in which Butler wins. 

So I think to get the 2 seed we'd need Butler to lose out (@ Nova, @ X and vs. SHU). 

Obviously far fetched for multiple reasons, but figured I'd share.

Remaining schedules for the middle of the BE:

Butler (10-5): @Nova, @ X, vs. HALL

Creighton (9-5): vs. PC, @ Nova, vs. SJU, @ Marq

Xavier (8-6): @ HALL, vs. Butler, vs. Marq, @ Depaul

Marquette (8-7): @ PC, @ X, vs. Creighton

Seton Hall (6-8): vs. X, @ Depaul, vs. Gtown, @ Butler

Providence (6-8): @ Creighton, vs. Marq, vs. Depaul, @ SJU

SJU (6-9): vs. Gtown, @ Creighton, vs. PC

Georgetown (5-9): vs. Depaul, @ SJU, @ HALL, vs. NOVA

Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on February 22, 2017, 02:41:44 PM
Considering their attractive computer numbers, if there's a three game separation between MU and Hall with the teams having split their two games it would be a good thing. We need all the good things we can get.

Only in the sense that they're another bubble team. I'd rather have all the Big East teams get in. My ideal scenario would be MU at 11-7, Butler, Creighton, and Xavier at 10-8, and SHU and Providence at 9-9. Give me 7 Big East bids. As long as we take care of business, we get in no matter what happens elsewhere, so give me as many Big East teams as possible.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 22, 2017, 03:28:33 PM
Only in the sense that they're another bubble team. I'd rather have all the Big East teams get in. My ideal scenario would be MU at 11-7, Butler, Creighton, and Xavier at 10-8, and SHU and Providence at 9-9. Give me 7 Big East bids. As long as we take care of business, we get in no matter what happens elsewhere, so give me as many Big East teams as possible.

Interesting. Its actually possible that MU goes 11-7, Butler, Creighton and X at 10-8, and Seton Hall, PC and Georgetown at 9-9. 

Marquette (8-7): @ PC (W), @ X, (W) vs. Creighton (W) – 11-7

Butler (10-5): @Nova (L), @ X(L), vs. HALL(L) - 10-8

Creighton (9-5): vs. PC (L), @ Nova (L), vs. SJU (W), @ Marq (L) - 10-8

Xavier (8-6): @ HALL (L), vs. Butler (W), vs. Marq (L), @ Depaul (W) - 10-8

Seton Hall (6-8): vs. X (W), @ Depaul (W), vs. Gtown (L), @ Butler (W) - 9-9

Providence (6-8): @ Creighton (W), vs. Marq (L), vs. Depaul (W), @ SJU (W) - 9-9

Georgetown (5-9): vs. Depaul (W), @ SJU (W), @ HALL (W), vs. NOVA (W) 9-9

SJU (6-9): vs. Gtown (L), @ Creighton (L), vs. PC (L) - 6-12

Wonder how many bids the BE would get then. 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on February 22, 2017, 03:35:00 PM
Interesting. Its actually possible that MU goes 11-7, Butler, Creighton and X at 10-8, and Seton Hall, PC and Georgetown at 9-9. 

Marquette (8-7): @ PC (W), @ X, (W) vs. Creighton (W) – 11-7

Butler (10-5): @Nova (L), @ X(L), vs. HALL(L) - 10-8

Creighton (9-5): vs. PC (L), @ Nova (L), vs. SJU (W), @ Marq (L) - 10-8

Xavier (8-6): @ HALL (L), vs. Butler (W), vs. Marq (L), @ Depaul (W) - 10-8

Seton Hall (6-8): vs. X (W), @ Depaul (W), vs. Gtown (L), @ Butler (W) - 9-9

Providence (6-8): @ Creighton (W), vs. Marq (L), vs. Depaul (W), @ SJU (W) - 9-9

Georgetown (5-9): vs. Depaul (W), @ SJU (W), @ HALL (W), vs. NOVA (W) 9-9

SJU (6-9): vs. Gtown (L), @ Creighton (L), vs. PC (L) - 6-12

Wonder how many bids the BE would get then.

I think that would get us 7 bids, and Georgetown into the NIT. Unless GT wins the BET, I think they're out. Just too many total losses. Though if they had wins vs Villanova, Oregon, Butler, and Creighton, that might be enough to offset the not-that-horrible loss at home to Arkansas State. Figure at that point, everyone else they lost to would be a NCAA team.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: Oldgym on February 22, 2017, 09:44:13 PM
PC has tied Creighton at 62, 5 to play. Yikes.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 22, 2017, 09:47:08 PM
G'Town replaces Marquette this year in the inexplicable-loss-to-DePaul category.

X looked terrible offensively even with Blueitt back.  I really dislike Seton Hall, though, and would like to see them lose out.  Any chance Delgado tries to go pro after this year?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MUBigDance on February 22, 2017, 10:02:03 PM
Providence game scary now. They have the mojo after Creighton and 3 winnable games. They are hungry.

Need to make a statement. If we tie providence at 9-9 or they're 10-8 over our 9-9. We could be no 6 on the outside looking in.

Like  X and STJ, Biggest game of the year.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: wadesworld on February 22, 2017, 10:23:26 PM
Providence game scary now. They have the mojo after Creighton and 3 winnable games. They are hungry.

Need to make a statement. If we tie providence at 9-9 or they're 10-8 over our 9-9. We could be no 6 on the outside looking in.

Like  X and STJ every game up to this point, Biggest game of the year.

FIFY.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on February 22, 2017, 10:25:06 PM
PC is playing well, no doubt. I like having them off a last-second win, though. And MU has an extra day of rest.

It'll be tough, but I like MU's chances.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on February 23, 2017, 06:01:40 AM
Need to make a statement. If we tie providence at 9-9 or they're 10-8 over our 9-9. We could be no 6 on the outside looking in.

Right now, better chance both Providence and Marquette make it in than neither. I want to beat PC, but no matter what happens Saturday we are still both alive for a berth.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2017, 03:11:21 PM
Didn't see this posted here anywhere.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18743647/creighton-bluejays-suspend-injured-maurice-watson-misconduct (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18743647/creighton-bluejays-suspend-injured-maurice-watson-misconduct)

Wonder what he did. 
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: BM1090 on February 23, 2017, 03:21:12 PM
Didn't see this posted here anywhere.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18743647/creighton-bluejays-suspend-injured-maurice-watson-misconduct (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18743647/creighton-bluejays-suspend-injured-maurice-watson-misconduct)

Wonder what he did.

He's being investigated for sexual assault.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2017, 03:22:06 PM
He's being investigated for sexual assault.

Yeesh.  Did it occur prior to injury? ie: he would have been suspended anyway?
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: drewm88 on February 23, 2017, 03:49:28 PM
Yeesh.  Did it occur prior to injury? ie: he would have been suspended anyway?

Allegedly occurred (or at least reported) in early February. Post-injury.
Title: Re: Big East Play Thread
Post by: geps on February 23, 2017, 04:13:56 PM
PC is playing well, no doubt. I like having them off a last-second win, though. And MU has an extra day of rest.

It'll be tough, but I like MU's chances.
In the Big East 3 game winning streaks turn into 3 game losing streaks in a hurry. And big wins are immediately followed by horrible losses.