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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Bocephys on December 14, 2016, 02:47:22 PM
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Per Jeff Goodman on twitter
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MarquetteMBB @MarquetteMBB 2m2 minutes ago
#mubb sophomore guard Traci Carter has left the program, effective immediately, and will transfer. Appeared in 41 career games.
(sorry, did it at the same time as another topic was just starting i see now)
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Per Matty V on the Twitters
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Traci Carter is transferring, effective immediately. Pretty shocking news here to me.
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Just curious.
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Just curious.
Apparently leaving Marquette... This according the Evan Daniels
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Haven't heard or read anything lately....
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He's getting out ahead of the program implosion.
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I hope there are some extenuating circumstance here because this one bothers me. Two mid-year transfers?
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This makes me a little sad. I liked his game and attitude.
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Traci Carter is transferring, effective immediately. Pretty shocking news here to me.
Not really shocking. He likely saw his next 2.5 years at MU as Markus Howard's backup and wants to be somewhere he can start.
Unfortunate, but understandable.
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This is a headscratcher to say the least. Probably my favorite player the last two years. Gonna miss the Engine, hope he kills it at Temple or wherever he decides to go.
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I hope there are some extenuating circumstance here because this one bothers me. Two mid-year transfers?
Common denominator is the coach. He's had a ton of transfers on his watch. Players know they haven't or won't improve.
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Whoa boy...
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Common denominator is the coach. He's had a ton of transfers on his watch. Players know they haven't or won't improve.
I don't know if this was supposed to be in teal, but Buzz had SO MANY transfers.
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Smoke=Fire
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cant rebuild a program if you cant retain talent/depth. Not saying that Traci is better than Howard, However i liked his attitude and the depth he provided.
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Down to nine scholorship players as well. May come down to burning the red shirt soon.
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This isn't a headscratcher at all. Next year he's still looking up at a star in Howard, Sr Rowsey, & RS Sr Duane takes up time from MH or AR playing the 2
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This isn't a headscratcher at all. Next year he's still looking up at a star in Howard, Sr Rowsey, & RS Sr Duane takes up time from MH or AR playing the 2
I didn't think so at the start of this year, but now I'm really starting to doubt if Duane will be here next year.
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This isn't a headscratcher at all. Next year he's still looking up at a star in Howard, Sr Rowsey, & RS Sr Duane takes up time from MH or AR playing the 2
Yup.
I remember being mad about all the transfers Buzz's 2nd or 3rd year and having a conversation about how Buzz had to get his crap together soon with a friend. Hopefully we see as much success under Wojo as we did under Buzz following all these transfers.
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This isn't a headscratcher at all. Next year he's still looking up at a star in Howard, Sr Rowsey, & RS Sr Duane takes up time from MH or AR playing the 2
You really think Duane is coming back? What if Rowsey or Howard goes down with a knee injury? I guess we just have to Respect the Process for another four years.
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I don't know. I think it is shocking that he decided to transfer mid year. Now, Duane Wilson transferring would not have been shocking.
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I don't know. I think it is shocking that he decided to transfer mid year. Now, Duane Wilson transferring would not have been shocking.
Wouldn't necessarily rule it out as a grad transfer at the end of the year.
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As much as it sucks for depth, I really don't think this will make or break the rest of the season...
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You really think Duane is coming back? What if Rowsey or Howard goes down with a knee injury? I guess we just have to Respect the Process for another four years.
Good luck getting quality players to commit to three years of second/third string minutes on the basis of "Hey, if two guys go down with knee injuries, you're my guy!"
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At least we have a redshirt player to make 10. That's improvement over adding walk-ons to have enough bodies to practice...
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I really liked traci. This opens up a scholarship thought that could be good
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You really think Duane is coming back? What if Rowsey or Howard goes down with a knee injury? I guess we just have to Respect the Process for another four years.
Agree, I would be shocked ind Duane came back for another "rebuild" season. and If Traci worked on his shot he could easily beat out Rowsey for minutes.
Hard to rebuild a program when you can keep players on the squad.
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Wouldn't necessarily rule it out as a grad transfer at the end of the year.
I actually think it would be shocking if Duane is here next year but I don't want to be speculative.
At the end of the day, players want to play. If they are not getting playing time, they are gone.
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Doesn't Duane have a kid? If so, that could be reason enough for him to stick around. I assume his minutes will increase now anyway.
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Wouldn't necessarily rule it out as a grad transfer at the end of the year.
I'd be surprised if he wasn't a grad transfer at the end of the year. It's his last year he'll want more minutes that are the horizon for him at MU.
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I really liked him but it frees up a scholarship
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Doesn't Duane have a kid? If so, that could be reason enough for him to stick around. I assume his minutes will increase now anyway.
It's also a reason to leave and go get paid overseas.
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Everything I've heard within the last few months makes it sound like Duane is coming back. Also, he tweeted about a month ago how excited he was for his Junior and Senior seasons at MU.
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Hard to rebuild a program when you can keep players on the squad.
Not going to be easy to rebuild a program with people that don't want to be on the team either...he saw he might have a reduction in playing time I am guessing, and didn't take kindly to that. I bet that happens a lot for many of programs.
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#CharacterRevealed
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I heard he was spotted with Sandy at the Rec.
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Agree, I would be shocked ind Duane came back for another "rebuild" season. and If Traci worked on his shot he could easily beat out Rowsey for minutes.
Hard to rebuild a program when you can keep players on the squad.
Rowsey has been one of our best players over the last few games.
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Duane right now is behind jjj and katin both gone next year. I can totally see him coming back, with that said i dont think he is really very good. I also would nt be surprised to see him leave, he is mired on the bench much of his own doing. Has a young child at home, might that keep him home?
Traci is really not a surprise... Half the player of a kid younger than him. Also compares poorly to Rowsey Traci very turnover prone and couldnt shoot a lick.
Was hoping this year Traci would have tightened his handle n could make a few shots, nothing ive seen this season has indicated any improvement.
He was 3rd string point guard with a freshman ahead of him... Transfer blueprint.
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Liked the kid but he had mid major game
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Curious why he did not play against Wisconsin, now you know? Recruit better player like Markus, then this happens. It stops the logjam at the point for the next 2
years. To bad, better defender than Markus, and better distributor of the ball. There was improvement, but once you play alot as a freshman, hard to sit more as
a sophomore. Like I said in the past, hard to keep 12 players happy, Sacar did the right move as he saw he was not going to play. Cohen should have seen the
writing on the wall this summer when he recruited a graduate in Reinhardt. Now this, oh well, you never get experienced if there is transfers all the time.
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Guessing his "knee injury" was much ado about nothing.
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We need to start winning, i'm done with cute losses. Longest drought in WI for not making the tourney. We need results.
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Positive for the program and a positive for Traci. He was not the long term answer at PG, regardless of Scooper's belief, and hopefully he will land at a better fit for him. Kudo's to Wojo for going with Howard early on in the process.
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Wow. This is a gut punch. One of our best man defenders. Traci is also by far our best distributor. Didn't see his minutes dropping. Wojo opened Philly back up, hope this doesn't signal the end of that.
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Guessing his "knee injury" was much ado about nothing.
Why lie about that in such a specific way...just makes everyone look silly
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Positive for the program and a positive for Traci. He was not the long term answer at PG, regardless of Scooper's belief, and hopefully he will land at a better fit for him. Kudo's to Wojo for going with Howard early on in the process.
Absolutely Silly, the team is better with Traci on it. Still would have liked to see him start the rest of the year and have Howard come off the bench for a scoring punch or start at the 2 if JJJ or Haanif were slumping.
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we still need role players. This is turning into a concerning trend.
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Liked the kid but he had mid major game
Don't do that. Traci could have absolutely been useful and earned minutes with this team, he had the talent.
Just because it's best for him to go somewhere doesn't mean we should diminish his value.
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Don't do that. Traci could have absolutely been useful and earned minutes with this team, he had the talent.
Just because it's best for him to go somewhere doesn't mean we should diminish his value.
+10
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Wojo saw what many of us saw - Markus was on a different level than Traci on the offensive end of the court. "Progressing" from a starter as a freshman to the 2nd or 3rd string as a sophomore doesn't sit well with most players.
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Traci was Cadougan 2.0. This really sticks in my craw.
Wojo is a hack and a dink.
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Knew about this last night. Strictly about playing time. Staff did not want to see him leave.
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He will not end up at a program at our level or higher. He is mid tier D1 PG and not upper end BE PG.
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Knew about this last night. Strictly about playing time. Staff did not want to see him leave.
I can't fault Traci for going somewhere to play more, but kids really need to figure out they'd be better off to play here the rest of the season, then transfer and save some eligibility.
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Wojo is a hack and a dink.
About what I would expect from a Vol Fan.
Let's face it, any program is going to have transfers. Kids get frustrated because they want to play. Wojo's job isn't to satisfy a 19-year-old's need for playing time. It's put a team on the floor with a good chance of winning on any given night. Unless Traci shot more effectively and left the turnovers behind, his minutes were going to be limited.
I really hate to see any scholarship athlete leave Marquette, but if he's better off at UW-Superior, Hibbing State College of Iron Mining or Nashville Auto-Diesel College, so be it. I hope he does well.
Most of us think of Traci based on what we saw on the videos from the European tour 16 months ago. He's a good player but he is rough and has to step up more to get significant minutes against the core guards we now have.
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I don't see how people see this as a concerning trend. Wojo brings in better talent, and somehow it is his fault that other players have "hurt feelings" and want to leave.
If you ask me, I keep adding the talent and hope that players realize their role as things develop.
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Traci was Cadougan 2.0. This really sticks in my craw.
Wojo is a hack and a dink.
Is Cadougan 2.0 a compliment?
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Traci is a rich man's Derrick Wilson. He's a hard-nosed player who's a solid defender, good ball-handler and limited shooter. He had value as a back-up PG but he probably wanted more. Can't blame him for that. I wish him the best.
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Traci was Cadougan 2.0. This really sticks in my craw.
Ahhh, no, no he was not. Cadougan was superior in all facets but defense.
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I don't see how people see this as a concerning trend. Wojo brings in better talent, and somehow it is his fault that other players have "hurt feelings" and want to leave.
If you ask me, I keep adding the talent and hope that players realize their role as things develop.
The part that concerns me is the lack of "team experience" moving forward. Last year everyone talked about how we were one of the youngest teams in all of NCAA and we looked the part. This year during the WI game there was a chart showing number of games started by players on each team, we again were inexperienced and looked the part.
We need to players to overcome the "experience" factor we all keep using as an excuse for loses
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Don't do that. Traci could have absolutely been useful and earned minutes with this team, he had the talent.
Just because it's best for him to go somewhere doesn't mean we should diminish his value.
Not knocking him hes better than 99% of the basketball players in america. Bottom line is hes the 3rd string pg and has a younger player ahead of him. U dont need to get ur pc shorts in a wad.
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I don't see how people see this as a concerning trend. Wojo brings in better talent, and somehow it is his fault that other players have "hurt feelings" and want to leave.
If you ask me, I keep adding the talent and hope that players realize their role as things develop.
I agree but we also need some role players to stick around year to year...
We need to start getting into the post-season again so these types of players don't just look at mins and pull the ripcord on the team mid-season.
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If sandy n traci were on the same team at the rec who would shoot?
Jk
Both great kids im sure, both just got surpassed by much more talented players.
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In all seriousness, and I know the transfer rate is rising everywhere, does this reflect badly on Wojo?
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Ahhh, no, no he was not. Cadougan was superior in all facets but defense.
Carter was a better shooter and overall scorer as well. Cadougan became a better distributor and ball protector, but as a sophomore was inferior in both regards.
Actually, Carter was better at this point than Junior in pretty much every aspect of the game.
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Nope. 101% of anyone in basketball can watch markus play n then traci. Or sam and then sandy n say ....yep
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In all seriousness, and I know the transfer rate is rising everywhere, does this reflect badly on Wojo?
Reflect badly to whom?
Fans? Maybe.
Other recruits? Not at all.
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Carter was a better shooter and overall scorer as well. Cadougan became a better distributor and ball protector, but as a sophomore was inferior in both regards.
Actually, Carter was better at this point than Junior in pretty much every aspect of the game.
True but neither were better than average BE point guards, in fact both were subpar. Marcus n Rowsey head and shoulders above those two
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Wojo saw what many of us saw - Markus was on a different level than Traci on the offensive end of the court. "Progressing" from a starter as a freshman to the 2nd or 3rd string as a sophomore doesn't sit well with most players.
This.
This isn't Wojo's fault. Or Traci's. He wants to be somewhere he can get significant minutes. As long as Markus Howard is at Marquette and healthy, Traci wouldn't get significant minutes.
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I don't see how people see this as a concerning trend. Wojo brings in better talent, and somehow it is his fault that other players have "hurt feelings" and want to leave.
If you ask me, I keep adding the talent and hope that players realize their role as things develop.
Exactly, if somebody is better, to bad, suck it up and improve or be left behind. Yes, I would have liked him to stay 4 years, but getting guards is not that hard.
Rowsey and Howard for the next two years, with Duane and Cheatham at the 2. There fine, going forward. Get a combo guard for 2018, grad transfer for 2017
and 4 schollys in 2018,
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Hate to see Traci leave. He's a solid player.
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I can't fault Traci for going somewhere to play more, but kids really need to figure out they'd be better off to play here the rest of the season, then transfer and save some eligibility.
+1 I don't understand the mid-season transfer from the kids point of view unless he is a persona non grata. Do like Reinhardt. Finish the season, he would still have seen playing time. Then transfer, sit out a year and play a year. If you're happy play the last year, if you're not transfer elsewhere as a graduate transfer. Now, unless he sits out a season and a half, he loses a half season of eligibility.
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Funny. I said either he or Rowsey were gone and got laughed at. These guys don't come to Marquette to sit on bench. Right or wrong, guys just want to play.
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Hate to see Traci leave but not surprised because Howard displaced him as a starter. Wojo is upping the talent level each year and transfers will happen with kids that get outplayed.
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I agree but we also need some role players to stick around year to year...
We need to start getting into the post-season again so these types of players don't just look at mins and pull the ripcord on the team mid-season.
Part of me wants to say no one recruits role players (though I know its not true).
I rather have wojo get all highly touted recruits, and in the meantime, have some guys leave so other talented people can take their spot. There is no way to tell how a young person will react when they have some minutes pulled. Role players have to realize they are just that...and it appears that Traci thought he was more than that.
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In all seriousness, and I know the transfer rate is rising everywhere, does this reflect badly on Wojo?
Not really. The only ways this could be turned into a negative is if
1) Players are leaving for reasons other than playing time.
2) Players were leaving Marquette for better/equal programs.
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Thought this after Sandy and now again with traci - what's this say about diener, the player personnel person? Ostensibly he is he guy charged with getting guys to buy in and listening to grievances like this....
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Not really shocking. He likely saw his next 2.5 years at MU as Markus Howard's backup and wants to be somewhere he can start.
Unfortunate, but understandable.
The above says it all. Once Rowsey got the PT behind Howard and Howard displayed his offensive ability, no way was Traci going to get minutes.
Cohen and Carter gone, so now MU can concentrate on a 6ft 8 240lb bruiser up front.
Good luck to Traci, like I said last year, I sat behind bench at Georgetown game and loved his tenacity, only one getting into teammates faces, big time.
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I agree with the comments that plays should play the whole year before transferring. The reduced number of players on the roster makes me think about the Badgers who suit up 18-20 players for home games. They are intimidating when they run onto the court at the beginning of games. How do they retain so many players?
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So much for the "engine."
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Thought this after Sandy and now again with traci - what's this say about diener, the player personnel person? Ostensibly he is he guy charged with getting guys to buy in and listening to grievances like this....
Travis was always one of my favorite players but I've heard that he can be a real difficult guy to deal with. IIRC when he broke his hand as a senior one of the reasons team moral when down the tubes was Travis's approach when he wasn't playing. He may just be a my way or the high way guy and someone in that organization needs to be the outlet when players feel they aren't communicating with Wojo.
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Damnit. Will miss the engine. Hope he lands some where warmer.
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I agree with the comments that plays should play the whole year before transferring. The reduced number of players on the roster makes me think about the Badgers who suit up 18-20 players for home games. They are intimidating when they run onto the court at the beginning of games. How do they retain so many players?
Majority are walk-ons, Pritzl not ready to play and he knows it, Van Vliet is like 22, where is he going. Hill is redshirt junior, where is he going? Sometime you have to
accept your fate. A kid from Philly who I am sure thinks he is going to be a pro, wants to play. Can not blame him, nor Cohen who just wants to play and GB is the right
school for his talent. (maybe)
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Wonder if the knee thing was going to limit him here.
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Objectively speaking this isn't much of a loss. Way over rated on this board. He'll end up in the horizon league with Sandy, or something similar. Which is great, he'll probably be successful and enjoy his experience. I'd like to see Duane get more minutes anyway.
As for Wojo, how does this reflect on him? Players are transferring like madmen. MU's are mid terms because the guys use to play and now they don't. Why waste a half year of eligibility riding the pine.
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A negative drawback of getting so many four star recruits. They all think they can play at a high level and contribute.
It's disheartening to have yet another year of not having a full bench entering BE play.
I hope Anim keeps his redshirt. It'd be bad to have him scrap it now just to be number ten off the bench.
I just want to win and make tournaments again.
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I will always have a special place in my heart of the engine. He single-handedly made us forget about the PG position woes that plagued us for years, and for that, I thank him.
Best of luck Traci! I'm sure you'll find a good place with playing time. You could help a lot of D1 teams.
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I wish players would stay with a team these days...am I remembering the 70's,80s,90s wrong? Magic did leave early and Larry transfer'ed and Michael stayed three. So it happens...but they were all freaks.
I don't want to see this team as the leftovers and Wojo's new guys. I don't want to think of Wojo treating players as "My Guys" and "those guys". He's not doing that, right?
I don't think I would like being a Kentucky fan...who is really on my team? But I guess they're happy...they win and fill Rupp Arena.
I wish the typical high school players had enough sense to go to a school to prepare them for going pro in something else than basketball. Maybe Marquette isn't the best place for some guys.
I know I don't understand the Euro-D-league-Pro-basketball-market out there...but are there really that may jobs available to give all these guys a living? Having said that I want DJO, Vander, Traci, and all of them to succeed at it.
I wish for all our players that MU can be a place they can have fond memories of and come back to and identify with. Its depressing to think its not really that way. You know Henry never really came to MU...he didn't unpack his bags.
signed,
Depressed in Milwaukee
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good lord the amount of transfers under wojo is staggering. would be nice to have the roster stability that wisconsin has
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Funny. I said either he or Rowsey were gone and got laughed at. These guys don't come to Marquette to sit on bench. Right or wrong, guys just want to play.
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Traci was terrible on offense, but when healthy he could play solid defense.
And solid defense is on short supply with MU bball.
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I agree with the comments that plays should play the whole year before transferring. The reduced number of players on the roster makes me think about the Badgers who suit up 18-20 players for home games. They are intimidating when they run onto the court at the beginning of games. How do they retain so many players?
They just block anyone who wants to transfer from doing so and from talking to any D1 school out there.
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Less surprising than Sandy, IMO. Not enough minutes.
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Traci should have been playing way more than Rowsey. This team doesn't need anymore shooters, they did need some sort of defensive presence though.
Hated the Rowsey transfer when it happened, hate it even more now.
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Rather than working hard to earn a spot or learning how to overcome adversity (i.e. you are now the little fish in a pond with bigger fish) they quit. The really sad thing is they still believe they can make a living playing basketball rather than stay in school and earn a degree which will benefit them much better in the real world. So who will be our next "snowflake".
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Traci was really our only true PG. Not having one right now is the biggest concern. I know Markus will be the go to but Traci was by far our best option to beat full court pressure.
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Have to admit this one surprised me. I had heard that he might transfer at the end of the season because of playing time, didn't expect a mid-season transfer. I know it means waiting an extra semester to play but burning a year of eligibility just doesn't seem wise to me.
I would expect Marquette to get involved in the transfer game. Either a mid-season or a traditional transfer at the end of the year. Got the schollies for it now.
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I can't fault Traci for going somewhere to play more, but kids really need to figure out they'd be better off to play here the rest of the season, then transfer and save some eligibility.
Seriously. What a waste of eligibility. Plus you might work hard and improve, others might slump and you take advantage, so many possibilities. Now only 1.5 years left. Sucks.
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I couldn't agree more that Traci was not going to see the floor before Markus and Rowsey. He did play good defense, but his offense was definitely not as high as the others. With his knee issue, that set him back further. I'd have liked to see him stick it out, but good luck to the Engine.
Next man up, hey?
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So... Was traci sitting out the past few games because of an injury, or to try and have more eligibility left?
If he indeed sat out instead of being ready to help his teammates the past few games, I couldn't be more thrilled for him to leave. (If that was his intent)
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Seriously. What a waste of eligibility. Plus you might work hard and improve, others might slump and you take advantage, so many possibilities. Now only 1.5 years left. Sucks.
He has 2 full years of eligibility remaining
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He has 2 full years of eligibility remaining
But unless he sits all of next year will only end up playing 3 years instead of 4.
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He has 2 full years of eligibility remaining
You thinking injury redshirt? Other inside info? Or are you just being your usual pedant when you know he's likely going to play 2nd semester next year at his new school, meaning he will play only play 1.5 more years?
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The guy said "so many possibilities, now only 1.5 left". He has other possibilities... at a minimum up to 2 years... and if he also opted to have significant surgery, could be inline for a hardship waiver and therefore have up to 2.5
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The guy said "so many possibilities, now only 1.5 left". He has other possibilities... at a minimum up to 2 years... and if he also opted to have significant surgery, could be inline for a hardship waiver and therefore have up to 2.5
Which begs the question, why not just have the surgery and injury redshirt here? Then he has several years without Duane and Rowsey ahead of him.
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Looks like there are some family issues going on according to The latest article from Matty V.
Really wish it was Rowsey instead.
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http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/12/14/traci-carter-leaves-mu-basketball-program/95438992/
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Which begs the question, why not just have the surgery and injury redshirt here? Then he has several years without Duane and Rowsey ahead of him.
Howard, aina? Guy didn't have a good path to PT
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Next man up, ai na?
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Looks like there are some family issues going on according to The latest article from Matty V.
Really wish it was Rowsey instead.
Rowsey has been good since the Pitt game.
Traci seems like a classy kid. Said all the right things.
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Rowsey has been good since the Pitt game.
Traci seems like a classy kid. Said all the right things.
This particular transfer is gonna annoy me for awhile. Rowsey is gonna be eaten alive defensively by the Big East. Also thing he will struggle in the offensive end against bigger guards like Brunson, Sumner, hell even Garrett could probably do a job defensively against Rowsey.
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Rather than working hard to earn a spot or learning how to overcome adversity (i.e. you are now the little fish in a pond with bigger fish) they quit. The really sad thing is they still believe they can make a living playing basketball rather than stay in school and earn a degree which will benefit them much better in the real world. So who will be our next "snowflake".
Or they came in seeing an opening at their position and choose the school because of this opportunity to be a major contributor and the next year 2 new guys at the same position become eligible to play and are better than them. Two people who work equally as hard at something don't progress at the same rate. Painting someone who has an opportunity to put himself in what he sees as a better situation for him as a quitter without knowing the person or the situation whatsoever is beyond silly.
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I like Traci but we'll be fine without him. A place like Temple is probably a good fit for him.
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This particular transfer is gonna annoy me for awhile. Rowsey is gonna be eaten alive defensively by the Big East. Also thing he will struggle in the offensive end against bigger guards like Brunson, Sumner, hell even Garrett could probably do a job defensively against Rowsey.
Rowsey's 2 best games at MU so far have come against 6'3"+ guards (Johnson/Jones for Pitt and Koenig/Schowalter for UW).
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Or they came in seeing an opening at their position and choose the school because of this opportunity to be a major contributor and the next year 2 new guys at the same position become eligible to play and are better than them. Two people who work equally as hard at something don't progress at the same rate. Painting someone who has an opportunity to put himself in what he sees as a better situation for him as a quitter without knowing the person or the situation whatsoever is beyond silly.
Amen. Props to Traci for following his thoughts even though it's difficult. No reason to wait if you're unhappy with how things have changed and want to move on.
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Rowsey's 2 best games at MU so far have come against 6'3"+ guards (Johnson/Jones for Pitt and Koenig/Schowalter for UW).
Yea and look what Koenig did against Markus and Rowsey.
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I like Traci but we'll be fine without him. A place like Temple is probably a good fit for him.
Post Al (last 40 years) is Marquette a better program than Temple? If yes, not by much.
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Post Al (last 40 years) is Marquette a better program than Temple? If yes, not by much.
Post Al? Probably not. Temple had eight Elite 8 appearances between 1988 and 2001, but no Final Fours.
But post 2001? Marquette's been better and is in a better conference.
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Yea and look what Koenig did against Markus and Rowsey.
You said bigger guards (and used Brunson as an example, who is very small) will shut him down.
Koenig will have big days against a lot of guards this year.
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Seems like a nice kid, but dis duzn't push back da program one bit. Folks bitchin' 'bout defense, mind games, no bigs, no boards, etc. Well, da reality is dis team's got very little talent on da roster. Utter than da H-Squared freshmen, der ain't stink on da roster. So, its all good providin' an upgrade in talent is brought in, ai na?
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You said bigger guards (and used Brunson as an example, who is very small) will shut him down.
Koenig will have big days against a lot of guards this year.
Jalen Brunson is 6'3" and built like a tank. It's Markus' show now but he can't play 40 minutes every game.
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Jalen Brunson is 6'3" and built like a tank. It's Markus' show now but he can't play 40 minutes every game.
Wow didn't realize he was that tall. Could've sworn he was more around 6 feet.
I think Rowsey will surprise you. He's a player. But he will get exposed on the defensive end at times. Just as the rest of this team will.
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Wow didn't realize he was that tall. Could've sworn he was more around 6 feet.
I think Rowsey will surprise you. He's a player. But he will get exposed on the defensive end at times. Just as the rest of this team will.
We have time to improve. Now that Traci is gone that means DW will hopefully be getting more minutes. Personally I felt like he is the best defender on the team
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i like traci, i like wojo, i like diener...here's the problem as i see it-either wojo felt traci wasn't the right fit at this moment in time and/or was trying to light a fire under him-challenging him to be better. here's the other problem-good coaches know how far they can go or push a player. do they have each other's respect? do they trust each other? did wojo fack up and overplay his hand...maybe traci was workin his arse off and didn't see wojo appreciating the effort. did traci think he was better than he was? were their some underlying issues we may never know until the paperback comes out?
one thing you have to respect is, wojo has played and coached with the best.
to be a leader means making unpopular decisions and either sticking to them or having the humility to recognize faults and to correct them
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i like traci, i like wojo, i like diener...here's the problem as i see it-either wojo felt traci wasn't the right fit at this moment in time and/or was trying to light a fire under him-challenging him to be better. here's the other problem-good coaches know how far they can go or push a player. do they have each other's respect? do they trust each other? did wojo fack up and overplay his hand...maybe traci was workin his arse off and didn't see wojo appreciating the effort. did traci think he was better than he was? were their some underlying issues we may never know until the paperback comes out?
one thing you have to respect is, wojo has played and coached with the best.
to be a leader means making unpopular decisions and either sticking to them or having the humility to recognize faults and to correct them
https://instagram.com/p/BN7d15_DHUP/
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i like traci, i like wojo, i like diener...here's the problem as i see it-either wojo felt traci wasn't the right fit at this moment in time and/or was trying to light a fire under him-challenging him to be better. here's the other problem-good coaches know how far they can go or push a player. do they have each other's respect? do they trust each other? did wojo fack up and overplay his hand...maybe traci was workin his arse off and didn't see wojo appreciating the effort. did traci think he was better than he was? were their some underlying issues we may never know until the paperback comes out?
one thing you have to respect is, wojo has played and coached with the best.
to be a leader means making unpopular decisions and either sticking to them or having the humility to recognize faults and to correct them
Stop speculating. Read the article, don't just "wonder" - learn!
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/12/14/traci-carter-leaves-mu-basketball-program/95438992/
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Very sad to see Traci leave.
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Stop speculating. Read the article, don't just "wonder" - learn!
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/12/14/traci-carter-leaves-mu-basketball-program/95438992/
Glad I did. Traci's a classy guy and I'm sorry to see him go.
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Buzz's fault
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If you read that article by jsonline TC says there were problems at home. I hope the best for him, well spoken kid.
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Glad I did. Traci's a classy guy and I'm sorry to see him go.
Yup, I have no doubt this was a situational thing. Wojo didn't do any pushing, and Traci feels a need to get closer to home. Not much can be done. Good luck TRaci.
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i like traci, i like wojo, i like diener...here's the problem as i see it-either wojo felt traci wasn't the right fit at this moment in time and/or was trying to light a fire under him-challenging him to be better. here's the other problem-good coaches know how far they can go or push a player. do they have each other's respect? do they trust each other? did wojo fack up and overplay his hand...maybe traci was workin his arse off and didn't see wojo appreciating the effort. did traci think he was better than he was? were their some underlying issues we may never know until the paperback comes out?
one thing you have to respect is, wojo has played and coached with the best.
to be a leader means making unpopular decisions and either sticking to them or having the humility to recognize faults and to correct them
This is pretty bizarre... And all the dumb speculation that flies around after each transfer is odd. Coach pushing the weong buttons?! Ok? People need to remember each n every time that there is a transfer that 99.9% of all transfers come down to playing time. Sure there may have been some family issues but that is easier for a young man to say than "Im leaving cuz of playing time".
Family issues or not, if Traci is starting n playing 30 minutes a game, he never leaves. Same for Sandy, Steve T., and all the others.
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He was walking with a noticeable antalgic gait (limping) in/ out of timeouts on Saturday, so there was no faking of an injury.
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Just saw this news. Had been trying to avoid scoop.
Pretty disappointing. I liked Traci. Markus is the better player, but depth is important and Traci was the best true PG/distributor on the roster. More surprised than anything.
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This is pretty bizarre... And all the dumb speculation that flies around after each transfer is odd. Coach pushing the weong buttons?! Ok? People need to remember each n every time that there is a transfer that 99.9% of all transfers come down to playing time. Sure there may have been some family issues but that is easier for a young man to say than "Im leaving cuz of playing time".
Family issues or not, if Traci is starting n playing 30 minutes a game, he never leaves. Same for Sandy, Steve T., and all the others.
Deonte Too right? psh.. players leave for many reasons. Traci would have played good min here. who knows
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Have to admit this one surprised me. I had heard that he might transfer at the end of the season because of playing time, didn't expect a mid-season transfer. I know it means waiting an extra semester to play but burning a year of eligibility just doesn't seem wise to me.
I would expect Marquette to get involved in the transfer game. Either a mid-season or a traditional transfer at the end of the year. Got the schollies for it now.
Are Carter and Cohens scholarships available to be used this year?
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Traci was a fun kid to have on the team. He was intense, he was willing to play D, he ran the point OK when he wasn't turning it over. But it was beyond obvious that Howard's the better player. Unless a non-shooting PG is a playmaking savant - think Rondo or Rubio - it's an easy decision to give up a little playmaking for a guy who shoots 50% from the arc and never misses FTs. Howard can work to become a better defender, and he seems plenty driven and intense. That shot ... that's a gift.
With Rowsey behind Markus, and Duane and Haani plenty capable to help out - and Reinhardt, too, as he showed bringing it up against pressure - I don't think we'll miss Traci very much.
I take him at his word about wanting to be closer to home - don't we always want every good hoopster from within 100 miles of Milwaukee to value being close to home? And I commend him for seeing the writing on the wall about playing time.
Not sure what Diener was supposed to have done. Beg him to stay? Make promises he couldn't keep?
As for whether this reflects poorly on Wojo ...
1. Check out the national transfer rates. They are insane. It happens all the time, even to the best coaches and the best programs.
2. Certainly not to recruits. They look at this and say: "Even though Wojo had a sophomore incumbent with some potential at PG, he was willing to go with the 17-year-old freshman because the freshman was the better player. I want a coach who is open-minded about me starting right away, and Wojo has started a bunch of freshmen already. If I perform, I'm in!"
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He was walking with a noticeable antalgic gait (limping) in/ out of timeouts on Saturday, so there was no faking of an injury.
I am believing TAMU on this one. All about PT. His sources are impeccable on the inside. Injury may have expedited the inevitable but this is bad. Slurpers are gonna slurp but the heat just got turned up with this misuse of Wojo's recruiting cachet.
- Nothing left of first recruiting class.
- Ellenson and Carter gone on Year 2. Sacar Redshirt. Haanif, Matt and Rowsey playing yet.
I thought Rowsey would be the PG transfer but TC it is.
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Seems like a nice kid, but dis duzn't push back da program one bit. Folks bitchin' 'bout defense, mind games, no bigs, no boards, etc. Well, da reality is dis team's got very little talent on da roster. Utter than da H-Squared freshmen, der ain't stink on da roster. So, its all good providin' an upgrade in talent is brought in, ai na?
Why do you type like you're trying to sound like hick? Do you think you're funny?
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Let's be honest. Scoopers SHOULD HAVE seen this coming.
Markus 2 NBA
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He was walking with a noticeable antalgic gait (limping) in/ out of timeouts on Saturday, so there was no faking of an injury.
Assuming his playing time was going to be severly limited, because he needs to rest his knees may of made his decision to transfer now easier to make. Remember you can only medical redshirt, if you are not able to play the rest of the season.
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This doesn't break my heart. Traci was a good defender and solid assist man, but Wojo obviously prefers guards who, (unlike himself), are shooters/scorers. Howard and Rowsey fit that mold much better.
On a less sanguine note, our top 10 recruiting class of two years ago now consists of a slumping Haanif Cheatham, red shirted Sacar Anim and (career?) back up Matt Heldt. Is it top 50 now? How about Eke, John and Cain - are they a top 50 class? Will we need another one (or more) stop gap grad transfers in the spring? Our deepest team in quite a while now has 9 active scholarship players. Troubling.
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Are Carter and Cohens scholarships available to be used this year?
They can be used for a spring signee for next season. They cannot be used for a mid-season transfer.
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Why do you type like you're trying to sound like hick? Do you think you're funny?
Ditto.
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Oh wow. Just reading about this now. I'll take him at his word it was more about personal/family stuff than anything. Hard to believe it was playing time...dude started 4 of the 6 games he was available to play in.
In any event, from the JS story he sounds like a very grounded and solid guy. Wish he was staying but also wishing him the best.
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As I mentioned in a previous post, knew about this on Tuesday, before it was announced, from someone in the AD. The reason reported in the JS is the whole story. Period.
This does not reflect poorly on Wojo the recruiter. The way I look at it, Wojo's classes are getting better, and de facto, kids are being recruited over. That's always a good thing. Some kids who feel their opportunity to play is reduced based on the incoming talent choose to leave. Let's remember, these are 17-20 year olds. When they finish practice, they go back to their dorm and play X-box for hours on their 60" flat screens. It's the same as us going to the Union and blowing a roll of quarters on Space Invaders.
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Deonte Too right? psh.. players leave for many reasons. Traci would have played good min here. who knows
Way to find they exception...
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As I mentioned in a previous post, knew about this on Tuesday, before it was announced, from someone in the AD. The reason reported in the JS is the whole story. Period.
This does not reflect poorly on Wojo the recruiter. The way I look at it, Wojo's classes are getting better, and de facto, kids are being recruited over. That's always a good thing. Some kids who feel their opportunity to play is reduced based on the incoming talent choose to leave. Let's remember, these are 17-20 year olds. When they finish practice, they go back to their dorm and play X-box for hours on their 60" flat screens. It's the same as us going to the Union and blowing a roll of quarters on Space Invaders.
Was it strictly about playing time? Or was the reason reported in the JS the whole story? Serious question RC . Not trying to bust your balls, but I'm confused.
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It was a combination of wanting to go home and playing time. PT made the decision easier for him.
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Nm
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Nm
You're trending towards Ners-level obsession
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why wouldn't duane come back. There is no reason for him to leave now that traci is gone
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He is coming back.
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He is coming back.
He = Duane???
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He = Duane???
Si.
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You're trending towards Ners-level obsession
Damn I wish I saw what he said
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I am going to miss him. He had just the right amount of badassery without going too far over the line.
My favorite memory of him was drawing the T for yelling something at the Villanova bench after a particularly impressive play.
I have no idea what he actually said, but glow and I like to think that boy from Philly was shouting, "You should've f*cking recruited me!"
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I am going to miss him. He had just the right amount of badassery without going oo far over the line.
My favorite memory of him was drawing the T for yelling something at the Villanova bench after a particularly impressive play.
I have no idea what he actually said, but glow and I like to think that boy from Philly was shouting, "You should've f*cking recruited me!"
If your favorite memory of a player is him playing a mediocre game in a 15 point loss, that is probably part of the problem.
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Vinnie
We do not always see eye to eye, but spot on!!!
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I am going to miss him. He had just the right amount of badassery without going oo far over the line.
My favorite memory of him was drawing the T for yelling something at the Villanova bench after a particularly impressive play.
I have no idea what he actually said, but glow and I like to think that boy from Philly was shouting, "You should've f*cking recruited me!"
I doubt very much that Jay Wright has lost any sleep over his recruiting "mistake". Probably OK with Jalen Brunson at the point as a consolation prize.
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If your favorite memory of a player is him playing a mediocre game in a 15 point loss, that is probably part of the problem.
This is looking at a statline and final score and not actually taking what happened into account. That game was also in my mind a positive memory for me about Traci. He played tough and looked like one of the few players not intimidated by 'Nova. He went straight at the Wildcats and kept us in longer than we probably deserved. The shot in question was a three that tied the game at 29 and erased a 16-point deficit early. Much of that was due to Traci both scoring and distributing. He got a technical on that play, but continued attacking and his play had us ahead at halftime.
You can call it a mediocre game in a 15 point loss, but that was one of the best halves we played all last season and had us ahead of the eventual National Champs at halftime on their court. Traci Carter was, in my opinion, the biggest reason for that. Yes, Villanova pulled away in the last 8 minutes, but that was a hell of a game. Maybe the statsheet doesn't reflect how well Traci played, but he was a huge part of us matching Villanova for the better part of 30 minutes.
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If your favorite memory of a player is him playing a mediocre game in a 15 point loss, that is probably part of the problem.
If that's the way you want to look at it, let's kick everyone below our top 7 to the curb while we are at it.
There is nothing wrong with saying that you found a particular player's personality entertaining. That's why I chuckled when I saw in the promo photos that Traci was wearing his jersey untucked.
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Si.
I'm happy to hear Du isn't going anywhere. I would hope and anticipate that he not only gets more run this year, but will be a major contributor as a senior as well.
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If that's the way you want to look at it, let's kick everyone below our top 7 to the curb while we are at it.
There is nothing wrong with saying that you found a particular player's personality entertaining. That's why I chuckled when I saw in the promo photos that Traci was wearing his jersey untucked.
No I just don't think memories that are based on moral victories and false bravado are all that special.
I would rather focus on his game v. Butler when he went 5/7 from 3 and generally played within himself. He was overshadowed by Henry's 32/10 that day, but that was probably his best game in a Marquette uniform.
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Biggest problem on dis team is LOFT. Once Wojo gets his sea legs and upgrades da talent, winnin's gonna happen, hey?
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Classic Wojo mind games ... creating issues within a kid's family back home to get him to leave.
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4ever
Hope you are right!!!
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This is looking at a statline and final score and not actually taking what happened into account. That game was also in my mind a positive memory for me about Traci. He played tough and looked like one of the few players not intimidated by 'Nova. He went straight at the Wildcats and kept us in longer than we probably deserved. The shot in question was a three that tied the game at 29 and erased a 16-point deficit early. Much of that was due to Traci both scoring and distributing. He got a technical on that play, but continued attacking and his play had us ahead at halftime.
You can call it a mediocre game in a 15 point loss, but that was one of the best halves we played all last season and had us ahead of the eventual National Champs at halftime on their court. Traci Carter was, in my opinion, the biggest reason for that. Yes, Villanova pulled away in the last 8 minutes, but that was a hell of a game. Maybe the statsheet doesn't reflect how well Traci played, but he was a huge part of us matching Villanova for the better part of 30 minutes.
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I am going to miss him. He had just the right amount of badassery without going oo far over the line.
I agree Chick - he was the one last year that had the edge that some of our great players had (Diener, DJO, Jimmy, Jae). I appreciated that and liked how he would get in our players faces as well. Need that on a good team.
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I liked Traci because he had a little bit of old school BE, Philly toughness in him. He was good for a freshman but was forced into a roll he probably wasn't ready to completely take over quite yet last year, but I was hoping for a big freshman-sophomore jump and he was only slightly better this year, while we added 2 guys to the roster who are significantly better than the guys that were around him at his position last year. I think if everyone on the roster played with the same toughness Traci did we would be a better team, but I don't think Traci's talent level is a big loss. Probably best for Traci and while not best for MU, it doesn't really hurt MU a ton either. A chance for other guys to step up and get a few more minutes each.
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Why do you type like you're trying to sound like hick? Do you think you're funny?
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Turned out to be The Little Engine That Couldn't (beat out a future stud).
I wish him well.
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They can be used for a spring signee for next season. They cannot be used for a mid-season transfer.
Thats' what I thought. THanks for confirming. So we only have 1 scholarship for a mid season trasnfer.
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Why do you type like you're trying to sound like hick? Do you think you're funny?
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You're trending towards Ners-level obsession
Right, cause two days is on the same level of 3 years...
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For those concerned about transfers and trying to figure it all out/or wanting to blame Wojo. Quit trying, it is not reasonable to predict what is going on in the mind of an 18 year old kid.
Arizona State just had Sam Cunliffe transfer also, most heralded recruit for them in a decade, averaging 25 minutes a game and 9.5 pts/4.8 rbs. Also claims to miss being home.
Millions of possible reasons in all cases...rarely the coaches fault.
And for those thinking Cunliffe would be great for MU, yes we could use a guy like him, but no, he's likely headed to Washington or Oregon.
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And for those thinking Cunliffe would be great for MU, yes we could use a guy like him, but no, he's likely headed to Washington or Oregon.
What school? Because all the high major schools in both of those states are in the p12 which he can't move transfer to. Maybe gonzaga?
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For those of you who seem to think this is a unique problem, according to NCAA research 20% of all high school kids who go to D1 men's basketball teams transfer by the end of their freshman year, and that rate grows to 40% by the end of their sophomore year. That ends up on average to be 1-2 kids per team every year.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball)
It's well documented that the number of transfers are skyrocketing -- although over the past two years they seem to have leveled out at about 550.
How much of this is attributable to the "millennial culture" in the "participation trophy" generation? This isn't just an issue for men's basketball, it's an issue in the workplace as well. I can't tell you how many resumes I've seen lately where a 20-something has had six jobs in the last four years and wants to be paid $100k+. Many have been raised to believe that they are the best at whatever they want to do and that it's OK to cut and run if you aren't happy.
A lot of these kids were the top stars in their schools, maybe even since grade school. How many of them dream of one day making an NBA team? How many non-senior/logical one-and-dones decided to test the NBA waters when NCAA changed its rules last year? It would surprise me if any of them go to college thinking they will be a solid bench contributor for a four-year college career and then go use their free education to find a solid job in the community. They are there to play, as well as showcase their talents to "the next level." When that doesn't happen, they move on, for better or for worse.
Plus, they are kids. They get homesick. They have family issues. Their brains aren't fully formed. God knows I realize now how stupid I was in college, and I graduated near the top of my class.
Those who want to use these transfers as yet another black mark on the record of a coach they don't care for - for whatever reason - should look at facts before jumping to conclusions. Sometimes the hoofbeats you hear really are just horses.
As for Traci, he is doing what he thinks is best for him right now. I wish him all the best wherever he goes.
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For those of you who seem to think this is a unique problem, according to NCAA research 20% of all high school kids who go to D1 men's basketball teams transfer by the end of their freshman year, and that rate grows to 40% by the end of their sophomore year. That ends up on average to be 1-2 kids per team every year.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball)
Those who want to use these transfers as yet another black mark on the record of a coach they don't care for - for whatever reason - should look at facts before jumping to conclusions. Sometimes the hoofbeats you hear really are just horses.
As for Traci, he is doing what he thinks is best for him right now. I wish him all the best wherever he goes.
Amen, Mom. Legit criticism of coaches is fair, but transfers rarely fall into the legit category.
Echo your best wishes to Traci. He wasn't the greatest player, but he was a warrior on a team that needed some edge.
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Right, cause two days is on the same level of 3 years...
No where did I say it was the same level, I said trending towards. Look, you're normally a very balanced and thoughtful poster in my experience, so it was just odd to see you not only post the same thing over multiple days in multiple threads, but post it with that much heat. I didn't mean to actually equate you with Ners, it more like, "Whoa, don't keep going too far down that track, there's a cliff up ahead." Apologies if it came out other than I intended.
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No where did I say it was the same level, I said trending towards. Look, you're normally a very balanced and thoughtful poster in my experience, so it was just odd to see you not only post the same thing over multiple days in multiple threads, but post it with that much heat. I didn't mean to actually equate you with Ners, it more like, "Whoa, don't keep going too far down that track, there's a cliff up ahead." Apologies if it came out other than I intended.
It's all good, today's vitriol had more to do with a rough day than anything else.
Pshhh, apologizing and understanding on scoop. What has the world come to?
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For those of you who seem to think this is a unique problem, according to NCAA research 20% of all high school kids who go to D1 men's basketball teams transfer by the end of their freshman year, and that rate grows to 40% by the end of their sophomore year. That ends up on average to be 1-2 kids per team every year.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball)
It's well documented that the number of transfers are skyrocketing -- although over the past two years they seem to have leveled out at about 550.
How much of this is attributable to the "millennial culture" in the "participation trophy" generation? This isn't just an issue for men's basketball, it's an issue in the workplace as well. I can't tell you how many resumes I've seen lately where a 20-something has had six jobs in the last four years and wants to be paid $100k+. Many have been raised to believe that they are the best at whatever they want to do and that it's OK to cut and run if you aren't happy.
A lot of these kids were the top stars in their schools, maybe even since grade school. How many of them dream of one day making an NBA team? How many non-senior/logical one-and-dones decided to test the NBA waters when NCAA changed its rules last year? It would surprise me if any of them go to college thinking they will be a solid bench contributor for a four-year college career and then go use their free education to find a solid job in the community. They are there to play, as well as showcase their talents to "the next level." When that doesn't happen, they move on, for better or for worse.
Plus, they are kids. They get homesick. They have family issues. Their brains aren't fully formed. God knows I realize now how stupid I was in college, and I graduated near the top of my class.
Those who want to use these transfers as yet another black mark on the record of a coach they don't care for - for whatever reason - should look at facts before jumping to conclusions. Sometimes the hoofbeats you hear really are just horses.
As for Traci, he is doing what he thinks is best for him right now. I wish him all the best wherever he goes.
+1
My fiance graduated with her Masters in May of 2015. She graduated with a cohort of 11 others for 12 total. She is one of THREE out of TWELVE, who are still in their first job after grad school. It hasn't even been two full years yet. In interest of full disclosure, 1 of those 9 never got a job after grad school but still, 8 out of 11 hated their first job and found a new one before even hitting the two year mark.
A skill that coaches used to not need as much as they do now is the ability to convince players to be role players before earning a starter's role. Does Wojo have it? He convinced Sacar to redshirt and he seemed happy with the decision. That's a positive sign.
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For those of you who seem to think this is a unique problem, according to NCAA research 20% of all high school kids who go to D1 men's basketball teams transfer by the end of their freshman year, and that rate grows to 40% by the end of their sophomore year. That ends up on average to be 1-2 kids per team every year.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball)
It's well documented that the number of transfers are skyrocketing -- although over the past two years they seem to have leveled out at about 550.
How much of this is attributable to the "millennial culture" in the "participation trophy" generation? This isn't just an issue for men's basketball, it's an issue in the workplace as well. I can't tell you how many resumes I've seen lately where a 20-something has had six jobs in the last four years and wants to be paid $100k+. Many have been raised to believe that they are the best at whatever they want to do and that it's OK to cut and run if you aren't happy.
A lot of these kids were the top stars in their schools, maybe even since grade school. How many of them dream of one day making an NBA team? How many non-senior/logical one-and-dones decided to test the NBA waters when NCAA changed its rules last year? It would surprise me if any of them go to college thinking they will be a solid bench contributor for a four-year college career and then go use their free education to find a solid job in the community. They are there to play, as well as showcase their talents to "the next level." When that doesn't happen, they move on, for better or for worse.
Plus, they are kids. They get homesick. They have family issues. Their brains aren't fully formed. God knows I realize now how stupid I was in college, and I graduated near the top of my class.
Those who want to use these transfers as yet another black mark on the record of a coach they don't care for - for whatever reason -should look at factsbefore jumping to conclusions. Sometimes the hoofbeats you hear really are just horses.
As for Traci, he is doing what he thinks is best for him right now. I wish him all the best wherever he goes.
Facts?......You talking about facts? Mom, this is Scoop!!!
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Facts?......You talking about facts? Mom, this is Scoop!!!
We don't need no stinkin' facts.
They left cuz Wojo didn't have their backs.
I'm a poet, and I do know it!
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For those of you who seem to think this is a unique problem, according to NCAA research 20% of all high school kids who go to D1 men's basketball teams transfer by the end of their freshman year, and that rate grows to 40% by the end of their sophomore year. That ends up on average to be 1-2 kids per team every year.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball)
It's well documented that the number of transfers are skyrocketing -- although over the past two years they seem to have leveled out at about 550.
How much of this is attributable to the "millennial culture" in the "participation trophy" generation? This isn't just an issue for men's basketball, it's an issue in the workplace as well. I can't tell you how many resumes I've seen lately where a 20-something has had six jobs in the last four years and wants to be paid $100k+. Many have been raised to believe that they are the best at whatever they want to do and that it's OK to cut and run if you aren't happy.
A lot of these kids were the top stars in their schools, maybe even since grade school. How many of them dream of one day making an NBA team? How many non-senior/logical one-and-dones decided to test the NBA waters when NCAA changed its rules last year? It would surprise me if any of them go to college thinking they will be a solid bench contributor for a four-year college career and then go use their free education to find a solid job in the community. They are there to play, as well as showcase their talents to "the next level." When that doesn't happen, they move on, for better or for worse.
Plus, they are kids. They get homesick. They have family issues. Their brains aren't fully formed. God knows I realize now how stupid I was in college, and I graduated near the top of my class.
Those who want to use these transfers as yet another black mark on the record of a coach they don't care for - for whatever reason - should look at facts before jumping to conclusions. Sometimes the hoofbeats you hear really are just horses.
As for Traci, he is doing what he thinks is best for him right now. I wish him all the best wherever he goes.
Empirical evidence? On Scoop?
What the hell's wrong with you?
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wojo should contact Cunlife
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wojo should contact Cunlife
Frankly, I'd be a little surprised to see him go anywhere besides Gonzaga. If he really wants to be closer to home, there really aren't any other options outside the Pac-12.
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Empirical evidence? On Scoop?
What the hell's wrong with you?
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For those of you who seem to think this is a unique problem, according to NCAA research 20% of all high school kids who go to D1 men's basketball teams transfer by the end of their freshman year, and that rate grows to 40% by the end of their sophomore year. That ends up on average to be 1-2 kids per team every year.
I agree transfers are going to happen no matter who the coach is.
I tend to judge if it was a 'loss' based on whether or not the transfer goes to an equal or better program (i.e. McKay & Burton) or is the transfer disruptive or negative to the team.
My guess is Traci was popular with his teammates and he definitely way a vocal leader -- so I am slightly bummed about this one even if he wasnt going to contribute on the floor as heavily this year.
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I agree transfers are going to happen no matter who the coach is.
I tend to judge if it was a 'loss' based on whether or not the transfer goes to an equal or better program (i.e. McKay & Burton) or is the transfer disruptive or negative to the team.
My guess is Traci was popular with his teammates and he definitely way a vocal leader -- so I am slightly bummed about this one even if he wasnt going to contribute on the floor as heavily this year.
That's a good point. I like to call it the "2001-Ervin Johnson-Scott Williams Effect."
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That's a good point. I like to call it the "2001-Ervin Johnson-Scott Williams Effect."
Dude, this is my safe space from 2001 Bucks. Why! Why! Why!
I will now be reliving Big Dog's missed 6 footer in game 5 for the rest of the day.
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Dude, this is my safe space from 2001 Bucks. Why! Why! Why!
I will now be reliving Big Dog's missed 6 footer in game 5 for the rest of the day.
Don't worry, the Bucks will be back there soon enough.
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I remember when I was shocked and panicked that two fringe player (Menard and Howard) transferred under Crean. 15 years later, it is now the norm. I am blase' about it. Listening to mom is important. 40% of players transfer before the end of their sophomore year. Lots of theories and reasons as to why, and probably a grain of truth in all of them. So it is important to remember, as we project the 2017 recruit class, that the odds of all of them playing 4 years at MU are miniscule. Never stop recruiting. Try to build a nice balance of stars and supporting players. But remember, whatever you are projecting for the next year, whatever that next year may be, is wrong.
The only constant thing is change. Accept it.
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Don't worry, the Bucks will be back there soon enough.
Probably sooner than the Bulls.
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Frankly, I'd be a little surprised to see him go anywhere besides Gonzaga. If he really wants to be closer to home, there really aren't any other options outside the Pac-12.
I was under the impression that the PAC12 got rid of penalties for intra-conference transfer. Because of that I had posted that I'd be shocked if he isn't going to Washington (home) or Oregon (with his sister).
Gonzaga would also be an option.
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I was under the impression that the PAC12 got rid of penalties for intra-conference transfer. Because of that I had posted that I'd be shocked if he isn't going to Washington (home) or Oregon (with his sister).
Gonzaga would also be an option.
If they did, you may well be right. Either way, I can't see him coming anywhere near Milwaukee, and feel a school in Washington or Oregon are the most likely options.
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I was under the impression that the PAC12 got rid of penalties for intra-conference transfer. Because of that I had posted that I'd be shocked if he isn't going to Washington (home) or Oregon (with his sister).
Gonzaga would also be an option.
Here you go: http://compliance.pac-12.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Pac-12-Intra-Conference-Transfer-Primer.pdf
If I'm reading this correctly, he could transfer to another PAC 12 school but would have to sit a year in residence and would lose a year of eligibility. Not sure how this combines with the mid-season transfer rule. Would he have 2.5 years left? Or 1.5?
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If you listen to the MU Basketball Hour podcast w/Homer from 12/15 Wojo touched on this topic and was pretty clear that his opinion was probably similar to many on this board......its all about the PT or lack thereof, certainly not isolated to MU and Wojo, I liked both players but clearly they wanted out so Good Luck to them both and Let's Go Warriors!
All this bitchin' about Wojo and transfers is silly, how much did we miss out on the court when Jamal Ferguson transferred or Reggie Smith or Jamail Jones, or etc etc etc let's just get back to enjoying Marquette Hoops, root for the squad that remains and works to rep the school
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If you listen to the MU Basketball Hour podcast w/Homer from 12/15 Wojo touched on this topic and was pretty clear that his opinion was probably similar to many on this board......its all about the PT or lack thereof, certainly not isolated to MU and Wojo, I liked both players but clearly they wanted out so Good Luck to them both and Let's Go Warriors!
All this bitchin' about Wojo and transfers is silly, how much did we miss out on the court when Jamal Ferguson transferred or Reggie Smith or Jamail Jones, or etc etc etc let's just get back to enjoying Marquette Hoops, root for the squad that remains and works to rep the school
Completely agree. Let 'em go. I was a big Carter fan and think he has ability to help lead a mid-major to the dance, but he hjad no future here as a 30 minute guy. And that being the case, I fully support his decision to go elsewhere to get more PT.
Recruiting is a tricky business. If you have more than 8 healthy quality players, someone will be unhappy. It's just the way it is. These kids almost always base their school decisions on basketball. When thing change (PT-wise), there will be unhappy campers.
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Traci was Cadougan 2.0. This really sticks in my craw.
Wojo is a hack and a dink.
Wait, you wanted Cadougan 2.0?
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Stop speculating. Read the article, don't just "wonder" - learn!
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/12/14/traci-carter-leaves-mu-basketball-program/95438992/
ok, i read the article and was going to just let you have your way, but no. just because traci says he wants to be "closer to my family" doesn't mean that is the sole reason he is transferring. i'm just using some critical thinking and it still makes me "wonder". does it really matter? nope. even though my intentions are not to draw controversy, i believe it's ok to "wonder", just as many come here to do as well. if traci was starting and getting 30 minutes of floor time, i'm going to "wonder" if we are even talking about this...not for very long however.
i am going to respect traci's word, but i am still going to "wonder". i also wish him the best. i really enjoyed watching him play and i was very excited about his prospects here. i trust wojo's instincts and i believe traci will have a nice career closer to home
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ok, i read the article and was going to just let you have your way, but no. just because traci says he wants to be "closer to my family" doesn't mean that is the sole reason he is transferring. i'm just using some critical thinking and it still makes me "wonder". does it really matter? nope. even though my intentions are not to draw controversy, i believe it's ok to "wonder", just as many come here to do as well. if traci was starting and getting 30 minutes of floor time, i'm going to "wonder" if we are even talking about this...not for very long however.
i am going to respect traci's word, but i am still going to "wonder". i also wish him the best. i really enjoyed watching him play and i was very excited about his prospects here. i trust wojo's instincts and i believe traci will have a nice career closer to home
I ain't gonna wonder one iota.
He's gone, forgotten and somebody else's now.
Go Marquette!
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I ain't gonna wonder one iota.
He's gone, forgotten and somebody else's now.
Go Marquette!
absolutely! actually i'm done wondering now...that was in more reference to when i initially submitted my post a couple days ago-GO WARRIORS!
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At what point though does the identity of the team go beyond the players? I think Traci embodied the toughness of Marquette basketball that we didn't see since Jae and DJO.
Can any of you point to one person on the team that embodies that classic brand of MUBB that so many of you seem to fondly remember?
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At what point though does the identity of the team go beyond the players? I think Traci embodied the toughness of Marquette basketball that we didn't see since Jae and DJO.
Can any of you point to one person on the team that embodies that classic brand of MUBB that so many of you seem to fondly remember?
We were fine without it in 2002-2003. Unless Diener counts. In which case Rowsey and Reinhardt would count. And probably Markus as well.
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At what point though does the identity of the team go beyond the players? I think Traci embodied the toughness of Marquette basketball that we didn't see since Jae and DJO.
Can any of you point to one person on the team that embodies that classic brand of MUBB that so many of you seem to fondly remember?v
??? We didn't lose a Jae, Jimmy, Travis, DJO type player. We lost Traci Carter...likely our 3rd best PG. While I love their toughness...I think I'll take Wade over any of them. Tough guys that ride the pine are easy to find if you think they add value to a team. You shouldn't even need to use a scholairship to get that.
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I am thoroughly amused that you guys think Wade was not tough.
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i thought jae was pretty tough. he wasn't afraid to mix it up a little when he wasn't trailing for the cherry-picked "3"
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Reggie Smith
In his prime one of the finest men to patrol the outfield turf. Reggie Smiths don't just grow on trees
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In his prime one of the finest men to patrol the outfield turf. Reggie Smiths don't just grow on trees
as long as we're on that one, storm'in gorman knocked down many a walls with his 10 lb. balls
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as long as we're on that one, storm'in gorman knocked down many a walls with his 10 lb. balls
He was a fixture in CF for Bambi's Bombers during my Marquette Experience. I remember he said fans paid to see him do three things: hit a homer, run into the wall, and strike out. He claimed he never failed to do at least two of those every game.
We ran into him in a German bar called Zur Krone. One of the things he told us was that if MLB put an AL franchise in Vancouver he was well and truly f#cked as he had multiple possible paternity suits waiting to happen in BC from his minor league days.
One of the genuinely most f#cking funny sonsabitches I have had the pleasure to drink beer with. As the evening wore on he grew progressively more concerned about how "Debbie" would greet him at home. We presumed "Debbie" was Mrs. Thomas but that was never made clear through the fog of Jagermeister.
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I was fortunate to be at Marquette during the Brewers' glory years.
When I got there, they were one of the most entertaining teams anybody could watch: Yount, Molly, Sixto, Cooper, Thomas, Bando, Benji, Money. Wow, could that team pound the baseball!
In '81, my junior year, they made the big trade for Simmons, Fingers and Vuckovich and became a big-time contender. That was the year of huge labor strife and the season ended up being divided into "half-pennants." The Brewers lost to the Yankees in the first round of the playoffs.
My buddies and I used to love going to the ballpark and tailgate. A few times, we never made it into the game, but most of the time we did. We'd usually sit in the right-field bleachers, right above one of the exits so we didn't have anybody in front of us. I believe the seats cost $2.75, and they were great seats.
We all know what happened in '82. That was special for me because I got to cover the ALCS and the World Series as a kid only a few months out of college. Fun memories.
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We ran into him in a German bar called Zur Krone.
Wonderful place. The art of the boot.
Back in the late 80's we toured Sprecher in its early days. They let us sample products for literally four hours. We finished the day at Zur Krone. Good times.
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I was fortunate to be at Marquette during the Brewers' glory years.
When I got there, they were one of the most entertaining teams anybody could watch: Yount, Molly, Sixto, Cooper, Thomas, Bando, Benji, Money. Wow, could that team pound the baseball!
In '81, my junior year, they made the big trade for Simmons, Fingers and Vuckovich and became a big-time contender. That was the year of huge labor strife and the season ended up being divided into "half-pennants." The Brewers lost to the Yankees in the first round of the playoffs.
My buddies and I used to love going to the ballpark and tailgate. A few times, we never made it into the game, but most of the time we did. We'd usually sit in the right-field bleachers, right above one of the exits so we didn't have anybody in front of us. I believe the seats cost $2.75, and they were great seats.
We all know what happened in '82. That was special for me because I got to cover the ALCS and the World Series as a kid only a few months out of college. Fun memories.
We snuck in two gallon milk jugs filled with beer from our tailgater. Cheap college students. The ushers looked the other way.
The victory parade on Wisconsin ave when the Brewers won the NL pennant was a sight to behold.
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I was fortunate to be at Marquette during the Brewers' glory years.
When I got there, they were one of the most entertaining teams anybody could watch: Yount, Molly, Sixto, Cooper, Thomas, Bando, Benji, Money. Wow, could that team pound the baseball!
In '81, my junior year, they made the big trade for Simmons, Fingers and Vuckovich and became a big-time contender. That was the year of huge labor strife and the season ended up being divided into "half-pennants." The Brewers lost to the Yankees in the first round of the playoffs.
My buddies and I used to love going to the ballpark and tailgate. A few times, we never made it into the game, but most of the time we did. We'd usually sit in the right-field bleachers, right above one of the exits so we didn't have anybody in front of us. I believe the seats cost $2.75, and they were great seats.
We all know what happened in '82. That was special for me because I got to cover the ALCS and the World Series as a kid only a few months out of college. Fun memories.
I think I was there with you - wearing my "Uecker's Pukers" t-shirt!
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Wonderful place. The art of the boot.
Unfortunately closed. Right down the street from the Polish Moon.
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ok, i read the article and was going to just let you have your way, but no. just because traci says he wants to be "closer to my family" doesn't mean that is the sole reason he is transferring. i'm just using some critical thinking and it still makes me "wonder". does it really matter? nope. even though my intentions are not to draw controversy, i believe it's ok to "wonder", just as many come here to do as well. if traci was starting and getting 30 minutes of floor time, i'm going to "wonder" if we are even talking about this...not for very long however.
i am going to respect traci's word, but i am still going to "wonder". i also wish him the best. i really enjoyed watching him play and i was very excited about his prospects here. i trust wojo's instincts and i believe traci will have a nice career closer to home
Man, you conspiracy theory people are weird. And losers.
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I was under the impression that the PAC12 got rid of penalties for intra-conference transfer. Because of that I had posted that I'd be shocked if he isn't going to Washington (home) or Oregon (with his sister).
Gonzaga would also be an option.
It used to be no transfers within the conference (direct or indirect) but now you can but the year you sit counts as a year of eligibility. So the ASU kid can move on to another Pac 12 school
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Man, you conspiracy theory people are weird. And losers.
Don't you know that critical thinking trumps facts and reality?
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If you listen to the MU Basketball Hour podcast w/Homer from 12/15 Wojo touched on this topic and was pretty clear that his opinion was probably similar to many on this board......its all about the PT or lack thereof, certainly not isolated to MU and Wojo, I liked both players but clearly they wanted out so Good Luck to them both and Let's Go Warriors!
All this bitchin' about Wojo and transfers is silly, how much did we miss out on the court when Jamal Ferguson transferred or Reggie Smith or Jamail Jones, or etc etc etc let's just get back to enjoying Marquette Hoops, root for the squad that remains and works to rep the school
Totally agree. Wojo touched on that in another interview where he talked about his relationship with coach K. After his sophomore year he had an exit interview with Coach K and he was told that because of the talent they were bringing in and because of his commitment to basketball, he would be a back-up player. Wojo didn't transfer and devoted himself to getting better that summer and was able to start at Duke.
I believe that Wojo probably sat down with Sandy and Traci and told them what he saw their roles on the basketball team. They didn't like what they were told and decided to transfer.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wojo-learned-coach/story?id=28411611
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I was fortunate to be at Marquette during the Brewers' glory years.
When I got there, they were one of the most entertaining teams anybody could watch: Yount, Molly, Sixto, Cooper, Thomas, Bando, Benji, Money. Wow, could that team pound the baseball!
In '81, my junior year, they made the big trade for Simmons, Fingers and Vuckovich and became a big-time contender. That was the year of huge labor strife and the season ended up being divided into "half-pennants." The Brewers lost to the Yankees in the first round of the playoffs.
My buddies and I used to love going to the ballpark and tailgate. A few times, we never made it into the game, but most of the time we did. We'd usually sit in the right-field bleachers, right above one of the exits so we didn't have anybody in front of us. I believe the seats cost $2.75, and they were great seats.
We all know what happened in '82. That was special for me because I got to cover the ALCS and the World Series as a kid only a few months out of college. Fun memories.
We used to trek down to the I'm really a badger fan Hey Sports Palace often, especially in the summer. I am an O's fan and most of the Marquette crew I knew was from the old AL East which was stacked.
The Yankees, O's, Tigers, Brewers, and BoSox were all winning around 90 games each and the arguments among us were intense.
The season the Brewers won the pennant came down to the final weekend at Memorial Stadium where the O's needed a sweep to claim the East. The O's took the first two and a sell out crowd all brought brooms for the last day which the Brewers won.
A little known fact is that Glenn Rivers' cousin, Kenny Singleton, was a fixture on those O's teams. The O's had him, Cal, Eddie Murray, Dauer, Lowenstein, and disco Dan but it was their pitching which made them great for years. In 82 the O's had Palmer, Bodds, McGregor, Flanagan, Dennis Martinez, Storm Davis, Stewart, and Grimsley as starters with Tippy Martinez, Stoddard, and Stanhouse in the pen. Formidable.
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Wonderful place. The art of the boot.
Back in the late 80's we toured Sprecher in its early days. They let us sample products for literally four hours. We finished the day at Zur Krone. Good times.
I learned to master Das Boot at Zur Krone. A few years later, living outside of Bitburg, I watched more than a few Viper Drivers get a face wash from misaligned Boots.
The Zur Krone bartender was an older guy who might have been the owner. I think he gave us more than a few freebies back in the day. That was a damn fine watering hole with an outstanding selection of German craft beers.
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We snuck in two gallon milk jugs filled with beer from our tailgater. Cheap college students. The ushers looked the other way.
The victory parade on Wisconsin ave when the Brewers won the NL pennant was a sight to behold.
Yo, Chili AL, going to all playoff & world series games @ MKE priceless. What a team a bunch of nice crazy characters
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We used to trek down to the I'm really a badger fan Hey Sports Palace often, especially in the summer. I am an O's fan and most of the Marquette crew I knew was from the old AL East which was stacked.
The Yankees, O's, Tigers, Brewers, and BoSox were all winning around 90 games each and the arguments among us were intense.
The season the Brewers won the pennant came down to the final weekend at Memorial Stadium where the O's needed a sweep to claim the East. The O's took the first two and a sell out crowd all brought brooms for the last day which the Brewers won.
A little known fact is that Glenn Rivers' cousin, Kenny Singleton, was a fixture on those O's teams. The O's had him, Cal, Eddie Murray, Dauer, Lowenstein, and disco Dan but it was their pitching which made them great for years. In 82 the O's had Palmer, Bodds, McGregor, Flanagan, Dennis Martinez, Storm Davis, Stewart, and Grimsley as starters with Tippy Martinez, Stoddard, and Stanhouse in the pen. Formidable.
The Brewers actually were up 4 games with 5 to play. They lost at Boston, cutting their lead to 3 going into a season-ending 4-game series at Baltimore. They got crushed in a doubleheader on the Friday - both games were routs - and then lost something like 11-1 on the Saturday. That put the teams in a tie and set up Sunday as win-or-stay-home for both. The Brewers romped, and the rest is history.
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Good luck Traci. I liked your hard play hard work ethic. We will miss you at Marquette.
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I learned to master Das Boot at Zur Krone. A few years later, living outside of Bitburg, I watched more than a few Viper Drivers get a face wash from misaligned Boots.
The Zur Krone bartender was an older guy who might have been the owner. I think he gave us more than a few freebies back in the day. That was a damn fine watering hole with an outstanding selection of German craft beers.
I spent many nights at Zur Krone and imbibed a few "Das Boots" in my time. Yes, the "older" bartender was the owner, Dave Winkler, who also lived in the back living quarters. It was always his dream to own a bar.. He was one of the first to have such a selection of world beers in those coolers and his jukebox had quite the assortment of world music. Zur Krone is now a great restaurant named Crazy Water..
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The Brewers actually were up 4 games with 5 to play. They lost at Boston, cutting their lead to 3 going into a season-ending 4-game series at Baltimore. They got crushed in a doubleheader on the Friday - both games were routs - and then lost something like 11-1 on the Saturday. That put the teams in a tie and set up Sunday as win-or-stay-home for both. The Brewers romped, and the rest is history.
That was heartbreaking as an O's fan but I had been watching the Brew Crew more than anyone else in those days so I was glad they won it rather than the Yankees.
Memorial Stadium was rocking that day. The old AL East was awesome.
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I'm a fan of da O too, hey?
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Ahhh, no, no he was not. Cadougan was superior in all facets but defense.
and Shooting. 3 point shooting.
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I'm a fan of da O too, hey?
priceless!
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A little known fact is that Glenn Rivers' cousin, Kenny Singleton, was a fixture on those O's teams. The O's had him, Cal, Eddie Murray, Dauer, Lowenstein, and disco Dan but it was their pitching which made them great for years. In 82 the O's had Palmer, Bodds, McGregor, Flanagan, Dennis Martinez, Storm Davis, Stewart, and Grimsley as starters with Tippy Martinez, Stoddard, and Stanhouse in the pen. Formidable.
Kenny Singleton calls Yankee games on YES. He's the only non-Yankee on the broadcast team.
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Kenny Singleton calls Yankee games on YES. He's the only non-Yankee on the broadcast team.
True, but did you know the New York Yankees were originally the Baltimore Orioles before moving to the Bronx? So in a way, Singleton played for the Yankees offspring.