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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: withoutbias on December 06, 2016, 12:03:10 AM
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1) Let's have a good turnout tomorrow. No letdown against Fresno. Protect the BC.
2) Let's have the BC rockin Saturday. Biggest game of the year. Show the Little 10 what Big East basketball is about.
Proposed chants:
When Nigel is at the line - "Broke! Broke! Broke!" Or "Broke athlete! Broke athlete!" Or "Venmo! Venmo!"
When Koenig is at the line - MUST get a "Snapchat! Snapchat!" chant going.
Sign ideas: a picture of Koenig with the Snapchat ghost. A picture of Koenig saying "Dicks out for Harambe." A picture of Koenig saying "Send nudes" and a picture of Hayes saying "Shot as broke as bank account."
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I'm a student currently. I go to all the games. Is it just me or is student turnout very low thus year?? Id go to games 5-6 years ago and the students always filled the lower bull and went a tad into the upper. so far the lower bowl isn't even filled :(. is thus typical at this point in the season or is nobody showing up.. sad I wish more kids would go. the bb games are a blast
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I'm a student currently. I go to all the games. Is it just me or is student turnout very low thus year?? Id go to games 5-6 years ago and the students always filled the lower bull and went a tad into the upper. so far the lower bowl isn't even filled :(. is thus typical at this point in the season or is nobody showing up.. sad I wish more kids would go. the bb games are a blast
1. Take a look at Marquette's record 5-6 years ago and who was on the team. Take a look at Marquette's record in the previous 3 years. Basically everyone up to the Seniors has yet to see a year where Marquette has been competent. Only the few who grew up watching Marquette are really going to the games.
2. The student section almost always take's a hit around this time even when the team is great. Weaker buy teams + finals etc. Who wants to go see MU blow someone out by 50 when thats two hours of either Drinking or studying.
3. The conference turnout is also lower now because 5 of our 8 home games are St Johns, Depaul, Seton Hall, Butler, and Providence. 6 years ago that would have been Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Uconn, Louisville. That'll give a hit on attendance anywhere.
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3. The conference turnout is also lower now because 5 of our 8 home games are St Johns, Depaul, Seton Hall, Butler, and Providence. 6 years ago that would have been Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Uconn, Louisville. That'll give a hit on attendance anywhere.
This is a fallacious argument. Three of the 5 current Big East teams mentioned above — St. John's, Seton Hall and Providence — are inaugural members of the conference. DePaul has been a member since 2005, eight years before the most recent realignment. The fifth team, Butler, is a Top 25 team this season.
In 2013, our 9-game home conference schedule included South Florida (ranked 141st by KenPom), DePaul (174th) and Seton Hall (117th). We didn't play Louisville, Cincinnati or Villanova at home. The season before we didn't play UConn, Syracuse or West Virginia at home.
This year our home schedule will include the defending national champion (Nova, currently ranked #1 in the country), potentially 3 other Top 25 teams (Xavier, Butler and Creighton), a Top 50 team (Seton Hall), 2 top 100 teams (Providence, Georgetown) plus St. John's and DePaul. Butler and Creighton are rated higher than Notre Dame and Syracuse. Seton Hall is rated higher than Pittsburgh.
The level of competition in the Big East has not dropped off. It simply hasn't.
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The level of competition in the Big East has not dropped off. It simply hasn't.
The problem is people only see the name on the front of the jersey. I've had this argument with people before...
Them: Villanova doesn't compare to Syracuse!
Me: No, Syracuse isn't nearly as good.
Them: Butler isn't Notre Dame!
Me: No, they're better.
Them: UConn and Pittsburgh were hugely successful programs.
Me: And now Creighton and Providence are eclipsing them.
Them: We had that great rivalry with Cincinnati!
Me: And now we have Xavier.
At the end of the day, the old league had more names. But they also had more crap. Sure, we have DePaul, but the old league had DePaul, USF, Rutgers, and Providence that were perennially bad. We pulled in about the same number of top tier opponents then as we do now, it's just that Creighton, Butler, and Xavier aren't as sexy as Louisville, Syracuse, and UConn, but the league is as good as there is in the country. The games are as good. The problem is our own team hasn't been.
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This is a fallacious argument. Three of the 5 current Big East teams mentioned above — St. John's, Seton Hall and Providence — are inaugural members of the conference. DePaul has been a member since 2005, eight years before the most recent realignment. The fifth team, Butler, is a Top 25 team this season.
If anything, the suggestion that the Big East's inaugural members are inherently a draw is a fallacious argument. The fact that St. John's, Seton Hall, and Providence are inaugural members of the conference does not change the fact that they have been mostly terrible in recent memory, and do not carry the sex appeal that they would have 20 or 30 years ago. Since 1992, those three programs have combined for exactly three Sweet 16 appearances, the most recent of which occurred when this year's freshmen were toddlers, and this year's seniors were in kindergarten (PC 1997, St. John's 1999, Seton Hall 2000).
In 2013, our 9-game home conference schedule included South Florida (ranked 141st by KenPom), DePaul (174th) and Seton Hall (117th). We didn't play Louisville, Cincinnati or Villanova at home. The season before we didn't play UConn, Syracuse or West Virginia at home.
You're cherry-picking, and seem to know it. The 2012-13 Big East Conference home schedule featured UConn, Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame. Four ranked teams came to the Bradley Center that year IN ADDITION TO Wisconsin. The 2011-12 Big East Conference home schedule was uncharacteristically soft, and still featured Villanova, Cincinnati, Louisville, Georgetown, and Pittsburgh. With that in recent memory, you can understand why people aren't as fired up to see Creighton or Butler.
This year our home schedule will include the defending national champion (Nova, currently ranked #1 in the country), potentially 3 other Top 25 teams (Xavier, Butler and Creighton), a Top 50 team (Seton Hall), 2 top 100 teams (Providence, Georgetown) plus St. John's and DePaul. Butler and Creighton are rated higher than Notre Dame and Syracuse. Seton Hall is rated higher than Pittsburgh.
Marquette had an ages-old rivalry with Notre Dame. MU doesn't with Butler. I don't hate Butler nearly as much as I hate Notre Dame. They are not the same, regardless of their "rating."
Marquette had some intense matchups with Pittsburgh in the Superconference era. Games felt like battles, and a rivalry based on real enmity was growing. In contrast, nobody cares about Seton Hall. Before last year, Seton Hall hadn't been to the NCAAs in a decade. Casual fans don't decide which games they'll attend by comparing KenPom ratings.
The level of competition in the Big East has not dropped off. It simply hasn't.
I agree to an extent. The Big East certainly has some good teams, but none that match the renown of the Superconference era save Villanova. Lest we forget, the Big East has only gotten two teams into the Sweet 16 since its reformation (2015 Xavier, 2016 Villanova).
The level of competition means nothing when MU has been in the wilderness since 2013. Winning draws fans.
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Wisconsin didn't fill its student section v. Syracuse last week. Duke has had trouble filling out its student section. This isn't simply an issue due to Marquette's record or the Big East. Students would rather do something else.
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Didn't mean to turn this into a "students these days suck!" Or a "back in my day!" Just wanted to throw out some suggestions and say, "big week ahead!"
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If anything, the suggestion that the Big East's inaugural members are inherently a draw is a fallacious argument. The fact that St. John's, Seton Hall, and Providence are inaugural members of the conference does not change the fact that they have been mostly terrible in recent memory, and do not carry the sex appeal that they would have 20 or 30 years ago. Since 1992, those three programs have combined for exactly three Sweet 16 appearances, the most recent of which occurred when this year's freshmen were toddlers, and this year's seniors were in kindergarten (PC 1997, St. John's 1999, Seton Hall 2000).
The point was simple: as part of the Big East, our home conference schedule has always included both good (Nova, Xavier, UConn, Syracuse) and not-so-good (DePaul, St. John's, Providence, South Florida) teams.
You're cherry-picking, and seem to know it. The 2012-13 Big East Conference home schedule featured UConn, Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Notre Dame. Four ranked teams came to the Bradley Center that year IN ADDITION TO Wisconsin. The 2011-12 Big East Conference home schedule was uncharacteristically soft, and still featured Villanova, Cincinnati, Louisville, Georgetown, and Pittsburgh. With that in recent memory, you can understand why people aren't as fired up to see Creighton or Butler.
Yes, the 2012-13 Big East conference home schedule featured four ranked teams in addition to Wisconsin. So will this year's: Nova, Xavier, Butler and Creighton.
Marquette had an ages-old rivalry with Notre Dame. MU doesn't with Butler. I don't hate Butler nearly as much as I hate Notre Dame. They are not the same, regardless of their "rating."
Marquette had some intense matchups with Pittsburgh in the Superconference era. Games felt like battles, and a rivalry based on real enmity was growing. In contrast, nobody cares about Seton Hall. Before last year, Seton Hall hadn't been to the NCAAs in a decade. Casual fans don't decide which games they'll attend by comparing KenPom ratings.
I agree to an extent. The Big East certainly has some good teams, but none that match the renown of the Superconference era save Villanova. Lest we forget, the Big East has only gotten two teams into the Sweet 16 since its reformation (2015 Xavier, 2016 Villanova).
Good points here. When MU joined the Big East, we didn't have established rivalries with teams like Pittsburgh — but great games helped energize the series. It will take some time for programs on the rise (like Butler, Creighton, Seton Hall and Providence) to reach the same level. But I'm confident they will.
The level of competition means nothing when MU has been in the wilderness since 2013. Winning draws fans.
This is an entirely different argument — and another good point.
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In 2013
Creighton was in the Missouri Valley
Xavier was in the Atlantic 10
Butler was doing its only year in the Atlantic 10 after coming from the Horizon.
These teams are simply not on the big time college hoops radar of the casual college hoops fan. Syracuse, Louisville and UCONN are -- they have cache' and name recognition that those other schools do not have. These perceptions will change over time if BIG EAST teams do well and those previously mentioned powers decline.
Regarding St Johns, Providence, DePaul and Seton Hall. I went to lots of those games during the old Big East days because as a Marquette fan I could get a great seat for a good price. I could never touch those seats when Louisville or UCONN came to town. The basketball wasn't always so good, but MU was usually going to get a win. Now beating those at the bottom of the Big East is a crapshoot, which is a sad commentary on the state of MU hoops. The conference appears to be improving at a faster pace than MU is as a team.
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Didn't mean to turn this into a "students these days suck!" Or a "back in my day!" Just wanted to throw out some suggestions and say, "big week ahead!"
You obviously haven't been reading Scoop for very long.
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The level of competition in the Big East has not dropped off. It simply hasn't.
That's not the issue. And you know it. Butler does not have the draw Syracuse does, don't try and pretend otherwise. The numbers don't lie.
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That's not the issue. And you know it. Butler does not have the draw Syracuse does, don't try and pretend otherwise. The numbers don't lie.
Well again, "the numbers" have multiple factors. But more importantly, it doesn't matter. Eventually people are going to get used to the new schools. They really have no choice. The BE isn't coming back as it was previously. And Marquette was only a member of the OBE for *nine* seasons. It's not as though it was some deep, long relationship and that this new conference is just ruins tradition.
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The Marquette fans I know care about seeing MU play good teams. Period.
We've got the defending national champs and #1 ranked Villanova Wildcats coming to the Bradley Center, along with #10 Creighton, #14 Xavier, #15 Butler and #17 Wisconsin. Current rankings will change, of course — but that's a strong slate.
I wouldn't miss one of those games. I'd rather watch MU against any of those teams instead of Syracuse or UConn, both unranked this season. Facing a "name" opponent means absolutely nothing to your RPI or the tournament selection committee. Games against Top 25 opponents matter.
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Well again, "the numbers" have multiple factors. But more importantly, it doesn't matter. Eventually people are going to get used to the new schools. They really have no choice. The BE isn't coming back as it was previously. And Marquette was only a member of the OBE for *nine* seasons. It's not as though it was some deep, long relationship and that this new conference is just ruins tradition.
Well tradition is sort of relative to how memorable it was. Our time in the Old BE coincides with the second most successful 8 year stretch of basketball Marquette has ever had. Unfortunately our down year coincide with the leaving of the most traditionally great teams. There's too many variables to say that it's only because of the Blue bloods leaving that we're now so much worse with attendance.
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What is the story behind Koenig and snapchat?
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What is the story behind Koenig and snapchat?
There was a dick pic from him circling snapchat. He claims that it was someone pretending to be him online.
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Well tradition is sort of relative to how memorable it was. Our time in the Old BE coincides with the second most successful 8 year stretch of basketball Marquette has ever had.
Well that is false.
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My friend just sent me a pretty depressing photo about 15 minutes ago.
There were literally 5 people in the student section. If it wasn't on snapchat I would share it with you.
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1) Let's have a good turnout tomorrow. No letdown against Fresno. Protect the BC.
2) Let's have the BC rockin Saturday. Biggest game of the year. Show the Little 10 what Big East basketball is about.
Proposed chants:
When Nigel is at the line - "Broke! Broke! Broke!" Or "Broke athlete! Broke athlete!" Or "Venmo! Venmo!"
When Koenig is at the line - MUST get a "Snapchat! Snapchat!" chant going.
Sign ideas: a picture of Koenig with the Snapchat ghost. A picture of Koenig saying "Dicks out for Harambe." A picture of Koenig saying "Send nudes" and a picture of Hayes saying "Shot as broke as bank account."
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My friend just sent me a pretty depressing photo about 15 minutes ago.
There were literally 5 people in the student section. If it wasn't on snapchat I would share it with you.
Well, unless he took it at 6:00, it isn't accurate.
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My friend just sent me a pretty depressing photo about 15 minutes ago.
There were literally 5 people in the student section. If it wasn't on snapchat I would share it with you.
Your friend's picture is abject crap.
Check my Twitter @brewcity77 for an accurate pic of the student section. It's not full, but "literally 5" has been literally false all night.
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Hey student
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My friend just sent me a pretty depressing photo about 15 minutes ago.
There were literally 5 people in the student section. If it wasn't on snapchat I would share it with you.
I hope that's not true. I was there in the Dukiet years and the student section was still full.
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I'm a student currently. I go to all the games. Is it just me or is student turnout very low thus year?? Id go to games 5-6 years ago and the students always filled the lower bull and went a tad into the upper. so far the lower bowl isn't even filled :(. is thus typical at this point in the season or is nobody showing up.. sad I wish more kids would go. the bb games are a blast
Glad you support the team Johnny. We need more kids like you. When the team starts winning again the place will be packed. 5-6 years ago we had DJO and Jae etc those guys were fun to watch.
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Student attendance was horrific tonight. It was sad. I miss the old days. At half time you could barely tell there even was a student section. We couldn't even fill one whole section. Sad... come on fellow students jeez
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overall attandence was solid but students.. just piss poor. I mean put the Netflix down for an hour
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Get back on campus and talk it up Johnny. Be the trend setter.
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I'm hoping its just that its cupcake teams
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My friend just sent me a pretty depressing photo about 15 minutes ago.
There were literally 5 people in the student section. If it wasn't on snapchat I would share it with you.
It wasn't five people, but it was pretty miserable. One difference is that students would get to the game an hour in advance. Tonight, the student section was almost empty at 6pm and the overall turnout was small.
And what's up with the band? It's about half the size that it has been in the past.
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The student sect was poorly attended for sure. As for the band sect, The MU Women played tonight at 7:30 at the AL. I will bet that some of the band were at their game... ;)
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UWM and GB draw more studnets. wth
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so when should up Saturday if I want a good spot in the lower bowl?
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so when should up Saturday if I want a good spot in the lower bowl?
2 hours beforehand.
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Next week is exams. Maybe the kids were studying to leave time to party on Saturday.
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so when should up Saturday if I want a good spot in the lower bowl?
In the old days you'd close the bars, go to George webbs and then head over to the Bradley center. Now days a couple hours before tip would do it.
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so when should up Saturday if I want a good spot in the lower bowl?
Johnny, not sure what year in school you are but both my kids had the honor of leading the student section into the Bradley center for the Wisconsin game their Frosh year. Neither was exactly first in line but each was picked out by officials/coaches out of the initial group to lead the charge.
In 2010 gametime was around 1p. My daughter and some male/female friends arrived at Bradley during the Bucks game the night before, were escorted across the street to the Arena side and curled up in sleeping bags under the arena sign on the corner of 4th/State. MUPD and MPD was aware of the situation and kept a watchful eye on them all night. As the first girl, she lead the charge the next day.
Two years later my son was not to outdone. In 2012 the game was at something like 5p. He and a group of Abbottsford guys got down there at something like 4a. Many, many hours later Buzz picked my son out of that initial group, had him help hand out food, and lead the students in.
By the way, both graduated in 4 years proving you can work hard/play hard.
Enjoy and cherish the experience.
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In the old days you'd close the bars, go to George webbs and then head over to the Bradley center. Now days a couple hours before tip would do it.
In the old days, tuition was $5K a year and it wasn't a big deal if you flunked a couple of classes due to your drinking and had to take an extra semester.
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In the old days, tuition was $5K a year and it wasn't a big deal if you flunked a couple of classes due to your drinking and had to take an extra semester.
I can't tell if this is a comment on my drinking that caused my 5th year or me saying old days.
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So Bags, are you one of the famous guys from that era who was always in the front row with the boxing gloves on?
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So Bags, are you one of the famous guys from that era who was always in the front row with the boxing gloves on?
hah no, you can't drink beer with boxing gloves on! Sadly as famous as I am (just messing around) I never had a standout outfit outside of sophomore year when I used to wear an MU flag as a cape.
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When you eliminate FFP and try to be the Harvard of the Midwest, a good student section is the first thing to go.
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Lots of excuses. As Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say, "It's always something!"
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Lens
This FFP never missed a game for any reason. Probably why 8.5 years to graduate.
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I can't tell if this is a comment on my drinking that caused my 5th year or me saying old days.
Actually, I had no idea it took you five years. I was trying to get ahead of the guys who claim that any student who isn't drunk seven days a week (as they claim they were), or prioritize studying over attending cupcake games is a pu$$y.
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Lens
This FFP never missed a game for any reason. Probably why 8.5 years to graduate.
Hmm....since the rumor has always been that FFP consisted of students who didn't need financial aid, perhaps they should reinstate it as a revenue generator.
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And what's up with the band? It's about half the size that it has been in the past.
There was a women's game last night too, so they had to split the band to cover both.
I've noticed that the band seems smaller lately, but I think that will change with a) conference season instead of cupcakes and b) more winning. A lot of bandos are there because they want to watch the team and being in band means consistent good seats (TAMU and I were great examples of this...he could hardly play the baritone!). If the team is consistently good, the fans in the student section and the band (and the sweater vests) will come flocking back.
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There was a women's game last night too, so they had to split the band to cover both.
I've noticed that the band seems smaller lately, but I think that will change with a) conference season instead of cupcakes and b) more winning. A lot of bandos are there because they want to watch the team and being in band means consistent good seats (TAMU and I were great examples of this...he could hardly play the baritone!). If the team is consistently good, the fans in the student section and the band (and the sweater vests) will come flocking back.
Might depend on the section and how many available musicians there are. We have a friend who has a kid in the band, and he only gets to play for half the games.
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<---- will gladly accept Student Section tickets and show up with as many 'students' as needed.
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During the Al years in the early 1970's. they split the student season-ticket plans into Plan A and Plan B because the demand was so great. Didn't matter who we played, Arena was packed. To see what has happened is very sad.
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Lens
This FFP never missed a game for any reason. Probably why 8.5 years to graduate.
Wow, I thought no one beat my dad's record. 7 years for him. Of course working a full time manual labor job and getting classes when he could afford it while helping to support a new family had a little something to do with it. So did the 'Lanche.
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During the Al years in the early 1970's. they split the student season-ticket plans into Plan A and Plan B because the demand was so great. Didn't matter who we played, Arena was packed. To see what has happened is very sad.
And the old timers will tell you about camping out. Dr. Scott put and end to that when things got just a touch out of hand in the tent city. I missed it by a year or two.
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In the old days, tuition was $5K a year and it wasn't a big deal if you flunked a couple of classes due to your drinking and had to take an extra semester.
In my day, the old old old days, tuition, books, room and board we under 5K.
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And the old timers will tell you about camping out. Dr. Scott put and end to that when things got just a touch out of hand in the tent city. I missed it by a year or two.
This old timer never camped out. We had reserve seats.
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During the Al years in the early 1970's. they split the student season-ticket plans into Plan A and Plan B because the demand was so great. Didn't matter who we played, Arena was packed. To see what has happened is very sad.
During the Al years, there was no internet and only three television channels none of which televised the vast majority of the games.
Additional fun fact: During the Al years, there were about 8,000 items in an average grocery store, today there are 45,000+ (seemingly most of them craft beers)
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jsglow
Only four years of full time (think reached 2nd semester Soph status) and then night and summer school the rest of time. Worked (more golfing and travel, than work) full time and squeezed in my classes. last person to graduate with Interpersonal Communications Major in MU history. Big thanks to Dean Price for pulling some strings along the way!!
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I am a huge MU bball fan but I never saw the appeal of sitting outside the Bradley Center in the cold for hours before a game to be able to run into the stadium just to sit in the lower bowl of a big game during my time in 2004-2008.
To each their own, but I thought the upper deck was always much more fun. It was extra rowdy...packed with all the drunks who stayed at their keggers until 30 min before game time. Give me those guys everyday of the week. I sat in the lower bowl a handful of times and it was just a bunch of sober kids, like going to a game back in high school.
I'm sure that the upper deck experience is completely different now, but that's even more reason to not wait around outside if you can just show up and get into the lower bowl.
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Upper Bowl didn't exist last night. anyways I'm truly hoping this badger game will get a lot of students into basketball more so that more of us will show up more often to games. we should at minium be filling the lower bowl at games. its just sad. I'm gonna tear up. there were 500 students there lastr night. :'(. and I don't think people are watching it on tv instead of taking 10 min to get to the bradely center. there just not even following it. no one is into sports as much for some reason. sorry for the spelling
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I have not read the whole thread so this has certainly been said...but I think it just comes down to winning like with any league or team. There's the core fans and there are the masses. Just the way it works.
Go to the ncaa tourney (which we will this year and next year)...and we'll see what happens.
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Nah, it's kinda the same. Remember, I said my kids were Frosh when they did this. Even so, my son never understood pregaming too much as an upperclassman. He did want to be ablet o focus on the game. But they were both upper deckers by Junior year.
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Upper Bowl didn't exist last night. anyways I'm truly hoping this badger game will get a lot of students into basketball more so that more of us will show up more often to games. we should at minium be filling the lower bowl at games. its just sad. I'm gonna tear up. there were 500 students there lastr night. :'(. and I don't think people are watching it on tv instead of taking 10 min to get to the bradely center. there just not even following it. no one is into sports as much for some reason. sorry for the spelling
Three years of losing is taking its toll.
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I am a huge MU bball fan but I never saw the appeal of sitting outside the Bradley Center in the cold for hours before a game to be able to run into the stadium just to sit in the lower bowl of a big game during my time in 2004-2008.
To each their own, but I thought the upper deck was always much more fun. It was extra rowdy...packed with all the drunks who stayed at their keggers until 30 min before game time. Give me those guys everyday of the week. I sat in the lower bowl a handful of times and it was just a bunch of sober kids, like going to a game back in high school.
I'm sure that the upper deck experience is completely different now, but that's even more reason to not wait around outside if you can just show up and get into the lower bowl.
This, the only two games I'd camp out/go unbelievably early to were the ND and UW games and trust me that me and whomever came with me were likely the only two or three crapfaced in the bird cage.
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During the Al years, there was no internet and only three television channels none of which televised the vast majority of the games.
Additional fun fact: During the Al years, there were about 8,000 items in an average grocery store, today there are 45,000+ (seemingly most of them craft beers)
Great points. You mentioned it, but I'll add another general item: Entertainment options are 100x what they were just 20 years ago.
In the 70s, you had 4 TV stations, radio, a deck of cards, and MUBB.
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Great points. You mentioned it, but I'll add another general item: Entertainment options are 100x what they were just 20 years ago.
In the 70s, you had 4 TV stations, radio, a deck of cards, and MUBB.
And cheap beer and quarters
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In the 70s, you had 4 TV stations, radio, a deck of cards, and MUBB.
And cheap beer and quarters
And Gail Pudvan, am I right?
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I miss the days of going to the Bradley Center at 3am, staying out in the freezing rain/cold just to get my seat for the Badger game. Never in my life would I ever do it again but those two times were so much fun, even the waiting around was enjoyable.
Never saw the appeal of drinking before or during a game, I enjoy watching basketball too much and don't think I could focus or make the many clever comments I did during games if I drank beforehand.
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Gail was before my time. Hottest cheerleader might have been the future Mrs. Marotta. I've said it before, I will say it again. My time at MU straddled the last two Majerus years and the first two Dukiet years. I never missed a game that took place on campus while I was on campus. Not one. Season tickets 4 straight years. I watched some bad basketball. But I watched it in person. Different generation.
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Never saw the appeal of drinking before or during a game, I enjoy watching basketball too much and don't think I could focus or make the many clever comments I did during games if I drank beforehand.
Drinking makes you make even more clever comments, silly! And more of them!
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Gail was before my time. Hottest cheerleader might have been the future Mrs. Marotta.
Yes.
And now she has a kid on the team. I am old.
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Marquette is not alone......
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2016/12/michigan_basketball_has_a_home.html#incart_river_home_pop
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Marquette is not alone......
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2016/12/michigan_basketball_has_a_home.html#incart_river_home_pop
Pitt has the same problem: http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/joe-starkey/2016/12/08/Joe-Starkey-Shaky-victory-against-Buffalo-shows-Pitt-still-has-some-work-to-do/stories/201612080090
• If I’ve seen Petersen Events Center emptier, I cannot recall. The announced attendance of 7,007 would suggest the building was more than half-full. It was not.
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Wisconsin didn't fill its student section v. Syracuse last week. Duke has had trouble filling out its student section. This isn't simply an issue due to Marquette's record or the Big East. Students would rather do something else.
I was actually at Cameron for Duke/Maine last Saturday, and was surprised that their student section wasn't completely full. It was probably at 90%, but definitely was not full.
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Marquette is not alone......
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2016/12/michigan_basketball_has_a_home.html#incart_river_home_pop
Yikes. This generation man. It's killing all sports. Watching red zone last Sunday between commercials of the MU game. Plenty of empty seats at WINNING nfl team stadiums.
You don't get what you pay for anymore at stadiums. Sad but true. I'll be at 10 home games this season. But I tell you what... my ginger jamo on my couch with my 60" is often times much more appealing.
Sad. But true.
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Yikes. This generation man. It's killing all sports. Watching red zone last Sunday between commercials of the MU game. Plenty of empty seats at WINNING nfl team stadiums.
You don't get what you pay for anymore at stadiums. Sad but true. I'll be at 10 home games this season. But I tell you what... my ginger jamo on my couch with my 60" is often times much more appealing.
Sad. But true.
What do you want at stadiums for your money? Genuinely curious.
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What do you want at stadiums for your money? Genuinely curious.
What you get is great! But not for the price you pay anymore. I guess that's what I should have said. I get "inflation etc..." but if you don't have season tickets you use STUBHUB for $15 ticket plus fees so it's $25. And $7-8 a beer.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be there! But I can see the appeal of staying home if you're an 18 year old.
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I really don't get the appeal of live sporting events. My home is more comfortable, with a better view of the action, cheaper beer, and if the game sucks I can turn on another one.
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Winning and winning big would have me at BC and at big road games. Crappy schedule and 7th place finish in BE will get me to 3-4 home games and Badger game in Madison every two years. I love watching at home but exciting style of winning basketball is fun to watch in person.
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I don't know if this impacts attendance, but I grew up going to sporting events quite often. Really grew fond of the experience and have nostalgic memories of it being quality time with my Dad & family members - starting at a very young age. I still think of them when i opt into a stadium experience today.
I imagine it is harder to do that these days with the price of tickets, parking, food, etc, etc.
So not sure if there are numbers/studies done on attendance, but I do question if the kids coming of age today even had the same number of in-stadium experiences I did.
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Back in the day , going to games was all about the game. All of the fancy in game stuff was not a factor. The focus was on the coaches and players of both teams, with some halftime entertainment from the band. A winning team made every game interesting and an event in and of itself. Also the majority of games were not televised, so the flow was a lot better, none of the tv timeout stuff etc. Also the old crap arenas were good in that you could get up and close to the players .
One good thing the Big East has done is the double round robin . If you go back to MU history as an independent, we had a number of same season home and home games scheduled with other independents. It really built those rivalries even though we mostly kicked their butts.
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For those that don't remember how things used to be Joe Fulce reminds you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CBKFinnuRs
Or the old Marquette Basketball Revealed series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUkRlPkWquA
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Back in the day , going to games was all about the game. All of the fancy in game stuff was not a factor. The focus was on the coaches and players of both teams, with some halftime entertainment from the band. A winning team made every game interesting and an event in and of itself. Also the majority of games were not televised, so the flow was a lot better, none of the tv timeout stuff etc. Also the old crap arenas were good in that you could get up and close to the players .
Was this how you accumulated your extensive D1 experience?
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I really don't get the appeal of live sporting events. My home is more comfortable, with a better view of the action, cheaper beer, and if the game sucks I can turn on another one.
Interesting. We see it exactly opposite. Gives us a chance to see long time friends and make new ones. Because of scoop AND the actual game experiences, chick and I now count Eng and Brew, among others, as real friends. #lifesgood
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Interesting. We see it exactly opposite. Gives us a chance to see long time friends and make new ones. Because of scoop AND the actual game experiences, chick and I now count Eng and Brew, among others, as real friends. #lifesgood
No one is going to be surprised at this, but this introvert isn't sure he can handle too many more friends in his life.
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No one is going to be surprised at this, but this introvert isn't sure he can handle too many more friends in his life.
Ha! We'll be your friend Sultan, assuming the first beer is on you! ;D
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When you eliminate FFP and try to be the Harvard of the Midwest, a good student section is the first thing to go.
Good point. I'm a proud FFP alum from 06 and I never missed a game while on campus.
Thanks a lot Pilarz
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Or the old Marquette Basketball Revealed series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUkRlPkWquA
I'll have you know that the very first girl in line for this game was chick jr. You can see her several times in this video.
She stayed outside overnight in front of the BC, using a box of Cap'n Crunch as a pillow.
Let no one ever question the commitment of the chick/glow family.
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jsglow
I agree on the social part of the games as well. Halftime and seeing old friends makes the evening very enjoyable for us. For 45 years halftime has always been a treat for me at MU games.
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I'll have you know that the very first girl in line for this game was chick jr. You can see her several times in this video.
She stayed outside overnight in front of the BC, using a box of Cap'n Crunch.
Let no one ever question the commitment of the chick/glow family.
Same I'm at 6:00 and 9:24 (you can even hear me say thanks buzz) what a night that was.
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We used to grab a big handful of cookies in the Courtside Club. We sit on the team bench side so the way to our seats was courtside baseline past the band and the eagle's nest student section. Chick and I often fed kids who hadn't eaten in awile. All good. Sure hope we fill the building blue/gold this Saturday.
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For those that don't remember how things used to be Joe Fulce reminds you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CBKFinnuRs
Or the old Marquette Basketball Revealed series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUkRlPkWquA
That lady trying to get Rob Frozena's ticket had me dying.
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And Gail Pudvan, am I right?
Lisa Dooley didn't take a back seat ta no one, ether, hey?
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I've had season tickets with the same 3 guys basically since graduating ('02). Originally, we had 8 but now we've dropped to just us 4. We used to pregame then often go out afterwards...in addition to getting together another night or two a week. Since we're now in our mid-30s with families and more demanding careers, it's become more and more difficult to get together - weekends book up, kids have events, work to do, etc. Now, the 4 of us know that about 15 times every winter, we're going to be able to hang out. Obviously, we're no longer closing Wolski's on a Tuesday but it's still nice to grab a beer, chat and watch some basketball. On top of that, my kids are at ages where they're into all things sports. They love going to games with me and it's a whole new kind of fun watching a game through the eyes of 5-7yo's...even if the on-court product isn't as good as it was a few years ago.
Watching at home just doesn't have the same effect for me as watching a sporting event in-person, especially a big game. That said, if given the choice to watch a road game from the comfort of my own home or in a bar with a bunch of other MU fans? Give me my couch every time.
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That lady trying to get Rob Frozena's ticket had me dying.
These videos were great, thanks for sharing. Man, the Buzz years were so fun. We had some badass mofos on our team back in the day.
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Lisa Dooley = A+++++++++
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For those that don't remember how things used to be Joe Fulce reminds you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CBKFinnuRs
Or the old Marquette Basketball Revealed series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUkRlPkWquA
Every current student should watch these before the game on Saturday! Hard not to get pumped up watching.
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Lisa Dooley didn't take a back seat ta no one, ether, hey?
Her services are available today. List your house with her.
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Just wanna park my Suburban in her garage, ai na?
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4ever
I needed a good laugh and you provided it. Don't forget about Joanie!!!!
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Joanie Bohmann, knew her well, but not well enough unfortunately, hey?
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I've had season tickets with the same 3 guys basically since graduating ('02). Originally, we had 8 but now we've dropped to just us 4. We used to pregame then often go out afterwards...in addition to getting together another night or two a week. Since we're now in our mid-30s with families and more demanding careers, it's become more and more difficult to get together - weekends book up, kids have events, work to do, etc. Now, the 4 of us know that about 15 times every winter, we're going to be able to hang out. Obviously, we're no longer closing Wolski's on a Tuesday but it's still nice to grab a beer, chat and watch some basketball. On top of that, my kids are at ages where they're into all things sports. They love going to games with me and it's a whole new kind of fun watching a game through the eyes of 5-7yo's...even if the on-court product isn't as good as it was a few years ago.
Watching at home just doesn't have the same effect for me as watching a sporting event in-person, especially a big game. That said, if given the choice to watch a road game from the comfort of my own home or in a bar with a bunch of other MU fans? Give me my couch every time.
Wonderful way to look at it. Even if 15 ends up being 8, it's still 8 times you get to see your buddies, all around an event you can all relate to and enjoy.
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Merritt
Love to hear that and hope you guys and your kids keep it going for 50 more years.