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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on October 19, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
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http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/15067665-media-day
I hate to bring Dodds over here, but nobody here is discussing MU's media day or Wojo's thoughts on the team.
Going to go 9-10 deep.
Going to be switchable.....errrr...... interchangeable. ::)
Going to extend the defense
Going to play more aggressively as no one will need to conserve energy.
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http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/15067665-media-day
I hate to bring Dodds over here, but nobody here is discussing MU's media day or Wojo's thoughts on the team.
Going to go 9-10 deep.
Going to be switchable.....errrr...... interchangeable. ::)
Going to extend the defense
Going to play more aggressively as no one will need to conserve energy.
Was wating for Matt's report should be up any time I guess
https://twitter.com/matt_velazquez/status/788854101396316160
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Going to extend the defense
This feels like a bad idea.
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This feels like a bad idea.
The only way for an undersized team to prevent themselves from getting dominated down low is to make it difficult for teams to enter the ball into the post by extending pressure up top. Too bad Crean couldn't figure this out against the Lopez goons.
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The thing that stood out most to me at Madness was Howard's ability to play on ball, in the grill defense, away from the hoop. He is going to be pesky and an annoyance to our foes. One of those defenders that gets shoved during a game due to frustrating his man away from the basket. Or so I'm hoping that's what I saw.
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The only way for an undersized team to prevent themselves from getting dominated down low is to make it difficult for teams to enter the ball into the post by extending pressure up top. Too bad Crean couldn't figure this out against the Lopez goons.
+1
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The only way for an undersized team to prevent themselves from getting dominated down low is to make it difficult for teams to enter the ball into the post by extending pressure up top. Too bad Crean couldn't figure this out against the Lopez goons.
I'm not a Crean fan but his defensive philosophy as a whole was light years better than Wojo's. personally I think this is the area that Wojo needs to clean up the most
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If we make the NCAA tournament next March and then lose to some bigger team, you won't hear a single complaint from me.
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If we make the NCAA tournament next March and then lose to some bigger team, you won't hear a single complaint from me.
If Wojo's team blows a double digit lead with the opposition's assistant running the show I'll be complaining.
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If Wojo's team blows a double digit lead with the opposition's assistant running the show I'll be complaining.
Especially if we play off their crappy ball handler and let him lob pass after pass to a guy being guarded by someone 7 inches shorter.
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Especially if we play off their crappy ball handler and let him lob pass after pass to a guy being guarded by someone 7 inches shorter.
Yup.
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If Wojo's team blows a double digit lead with the opposition's assistant running the show I'll be complaining.
My point is that simply making the tournament next season would mark a huge accomplishment. Most doubt Marquette will be a better team without Henry Ellenson. Most pick us for the bottom half of the Big East, which most predict will be even tougher this year.
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Especially if we play off their crappy ball handler and let him lob pass after pass to a guy being guarded by someone 7 inches shorter.
Guys you're making me sad stop please
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Guys you're making me sad stop please
I was in Tokyo at my son's place watching the game on his computer. It ended at around 4am and I went out for a walk so that my swearing and anguished cries didn't wake everyone.
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I was in Tokyo at my son's place watching the game on his computer. It ended at around 4am and I went out for a walk so that my swearing and anguished cries didn't wake everyone.
The folks in Meguro still talk about the crazy gaijin screaming "Crean" at 0400...
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Most of the strategy has already been talked about here, bit it os interesting how aware the team is in the need to make the rournament.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/10/20/mu-aims-keep-building-through-change/92382346/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=
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Most of the strategy has already been talked about here, bit it os interesting how aware the team is in the need to make the rournament.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/10/20/mu-aims-keep-building-through-change/92382346/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=
I think going 9 to 10 deep is the right thing for this team. Depth of guard is our biggest strength. I wonder who the two players are who sit.
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We will see. I think when coaches say "9-10 deep," it usually defaults to the ninth and tenth guys getting scrap minutes or playing a certain role. If they still have 10 guys getting 10+ minutes at the start of conference season, I would be surprised.
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My point is that simply making the tournament next season would mark a huge accomplishment. Most doubt Marquette will be a better team without Henry Ellenson. Most pick us for the bottom half of the Big East, which most predict will be even tougher this year.
Maybe for this team, but it is not for MU. MU should not be missing the tournament 4 straight years.
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Maybe for this team, but it is not for MU. MU should not be missing the tournament 4 straight years.
"This team" is MU. Making grand statements about how Marquette needs to have higher expectations is fine and good, but you have to realize its a journey. Simply making the tournament this year would be a positive step on this journey.
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Maybe for this team, but it is not for MU. MU should not be missing the tournament 4 straight years.
We are where we are. It's nice to remember where we were, but the Buzz aftermath happened. It's time we accepted that. Getting back to the tournament would be a huge accomplishment and be a sign that returning to where we were is possible.
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One thing that was really stark in Matt's article that some might view as an excuse but I think should put Wojo's tenure in perspective.
Wojo's first year he had 8 scholarship players, his second year he only had 4 returning players. This year he has a full roster and returns the majority of his team. This is the year we start to judge him and the results.
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We will see. I think when coaches say "9-10 deep," it usually defaults to the ninth and tenth guys getting scrap minutes or playing a certain role. If they still have 10 guys getting 10+ minutes at the start of conference season, I would be surprised.
I usually would agree. But when you are this undersized and this deep at guard, I think playing an extended high pressure defense and a fast paced offense is your best move. You need to rotate a lot of players in to keep that up. This year will be a real test of Wojos bench ability. Knowing who and when to sub in these kinds of lineups is vital
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If we can utilize how deep we are and successfully implement something similar to Shaka's old havoc or even the Nova 3/4 press, that's screwed us up so many times over the years, then I think we'll be fine.
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One thing that was really stark in Matt's article that some might view as an excuse but I think should put Wojo's tenure in perspective.
Wojo's first year he had 8 scholarship players, his second year he only had 4 returning players. This year he has a full roster and returns the majority of his team. This is the year we start to judge him and the results.
I agree and we still don't have 13 scholarship players for the entire season. When was the last time that happened? If we make the post season, NCAA or NIT, that will be progress. Our achilles heal this season will be defense and if our "shooters" are not as advertised we're doomed.
We'll see what we have when we play Vandy to start the season.
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If we can utilize how deep we are and successfully implement something similar to Shaka's old havoc or even the Nova 3/4 press, that's screwed us up so many times over the years, then I think we'll be fine.
Our guards will have to step up big time to just make our half court defense serviceable. Too often opposing guards were able to blow by our guards and penetrate last year.
I am cautiously optimistic that we can make the leap above. I am skeptical we can successfully install something brand new & complex like havoc...but I hope I am wrong.
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Our guards will have to step up big time to just make our half court defense serviceable. Too often opposing guards were able to blow by our guards and penetrate last year.
I am cautiously optimistic that we can make the leap above. I am skeptical we can successfully install something brand new & complex like havoc...but I hope I am wrong.
This. I've been a little worried about Wojo as a defensive coach. It may be talent, but our guards have gotten abused off the dribble the last few years. The thought of us extending the defense has me a little nervous that it will lead to a lot of open layups or Luke getting into foul trouble.
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No opinions allowed until we reach 5 years
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The only way for an undersized team to prevent themselves from getting dominated down low is to make it difficult for teams to enter the ball into the post by extending pressure up top. Too bad Crean couldn't figure this out against the Lopez goons.
this assumes the team can also hit from outside....
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This. I've been a little worried about Wojo as a defensive coach. It may be talent, but our guards have gotten abused off the dribble the last few years. The thought of us extending the defense has me a little nervous that it will lead to a lot of open layups or Luke getting into foul trouble.
it's the duke way...hopefully we get the same results, but teams can exploit it if guards are aggressive. we all remember the the 3 amigo's taking it to duke's extended defense. also well documented when coach k tried to use that defense with team USA and the players objected.
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One thing that was really stark in Matt's article that some might view as an excuse but I think should put Wojo's tenure in perspective.
Wojo's first year he had 8 scholarship players, his second year he only had 4 returning players. This year he has a full roster and returns the majority of his team. This is the year we start to judge him and the results.
Another great article from Matt. Luke's quote also stood out to me:
"It fuels the fire," Fischer said. "Being picked seventh again at Big East media day it was hard to see. You get a feel of what everyone else thinks about you around the Big East. We're going to use that once again to fuel us and to get us going and to make sure we end the season the right way."
That's a strong statement from one of our three seniors. Winners turn adversity to their advantage and find motivation wherever they can — inventing it if they have to. Hopefully this mindset carries through to the rest of the team.
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I was in Tokyo at my son's place watching the game on his computer. It ended at around 4am and I went out for a walk so that my swearing and anguished cries didn't wake everyone.
I was on a plane. We booked a 2 hour flight about 10 months in advance. Chances Marquette would be playing on that day, and that timeslot? Slim.
We walked off the plane into the PHX airport just in time to see Stanford's last possession.
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"This team" is MU. Making grand statements about how Marquette needs to have higher expectations is fine and good, but you have to realize its a journey. Simply making the tournament this year would be a positive step on this journey.
and not making it would be what kind of journey?
I would not expect to make it next year, if we do not make it this year.
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and not making it would be what kind of journey? I would not expect to make it next year, if we do not make it this year.
I'm a little confused. We didn't make the NCAA tournament this year (2016). We could make the tournament next year (2017), which would be a clear step forward from last season (2015-16).
As for the journey metaphor, that can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. The ongoing journey of MU basketball over the past century? The team's journey under Wojo's leadership? Our journey as fans for the upcoming season?
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As for the journey metaphor, that can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. The ongoing journey of MU basketball over the past century? The team's journey under Wojo's leadership? Our journey as fans for the upcoming season?
Journey's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
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I was on a plane. We booked a 2 hour flight about 10 months in advance. Chances Marquette would be playing on that day, and that timeslot? Slim.
We walked off the plane into the PHX airport just in time to see Stanford's last possession.
I was in a bar in Puerto Vallarta. My favorite sports bar there. I walked into a room full of 25ish people clothed in Stanford gear. That possession broke me.
However, the waiter that was serving me and knew me kept bringing me Negra Modelo and yelling "Los Marquet-teys!" whenever he entered the room. So I had that going for me.
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We will see. I think when coaches say "9-10 deep," it usually defaults to the ninth and tenth guys getting scrap minutes or playing a certain role. If they still have 10 guys getting 10+ minutes at the start of conference season, I would be surprised.
I get what your're saying.
On the other hand, if only 7-8 are part of the "real" rotation, then we have four or five scholarship players that are destined for scrap minutes, and I can't see that either.
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On the other hand, if only 7-8 are part of the "real" rotation, then we have four or five scholarship players that are destined for scrap minutes, and I can't see that either.
Why not? Isn't that what happens at most D1 schools every year?
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Wojo probably wants to make line substitutions to keep fresh legs on the floor
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We will see. I think when coaches say "9-10 deep," it usually defaults to the ninth and tenth guys getting scrap minutes or playing a certain role. If they still have 10 guys getting 10+ minutes at the start of conference season, I would be surprised.
Ordinarily, I would agree with you. Not this year. I think Wojo is going to extend pressure and push tempo. Nobody getting much more than 26-28 mpg. Luke due to foul trouble, every other position because you can only play so many consecutive minutes at the speed Wojo wants to play. IMO, we see Wojo's version of Havoc and 40 minutes of hell. 9-10 deep into conference play. Maybe 11.
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Ordinarily, I would agree with you. Not this year. I think Wojo is going to extend pressure and push tempo. Nobody getting much more than 26-28 mpg. Luke due to foul trouble, every other position because you can only play so many consecutive minutes at the speed Wojo wants to play. IMO, we see Wojo's version of Havoc and 40 minutes of hell. 9-10 deep into conference play. Maybe 11.
I actually hope this is correct - that team would would be fun to watch.
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Ordinarily, I would agree with you. Not this year. I think Wojo is going to extend pressure and push tempo. Nobody getting much more than 26-28 mpg. Luke due to foul trouble, every other position because you can only play so many consecutive minutes at the speed Wojo wants to play. IMO, we see Wojo's version of Havoc and 40 minutes of hell. 9-10 deep into conference play. Maybe 11.
+1
I actually hope this is correct - that team would would be fun to watch.
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