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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on October 19, 2016, 01:01:17 PM
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/duke-kentucky-kansas-top-cbs-sports-1-351-college-basketball-rankings/
But 7th in the Big East. The analysis breaks down for me when the writer says that MU is a good on-ball defending team. And Luke will be our best player ?!?!?
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Right below the phony cowboy, hey?
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/duke-kentucky-kansas-top-cbs-sports-1-351-college-basketball-rankings/
But 7th in the Big East. The analysis breaks down for me when the writer says that MU is a good on-ball defending team. And Luke will be our best player ?!?!?
Or this gem re Dayton: "Archie Miller's team would've been top 25 had four-star recruit Kostas Antetokounmpo been ruled eligible this season."
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Or this gem re Dayton: "Archie Miller's team would've been top 25 had four-star recruit Kostas Antetokounmpo been ruled eligible this season."
Does anyone agree with this analysis?
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Or this gem re Dayton: "Archie Miller's team would've been top 25 had four-star recruit Kostas Antetokounmpo been ruled eligible this season."
Really thought this was a joke until I read the article
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I seen to recall saying that there were 7 top 50 teams in the Big East this year. Others insisted it was going to be a down year for the conference.
Games aren't played on paper, but the Big East is gonna be hella good this season. I think Seton Hall is very low on this list
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So, guess we're hoping for a soft bubble kind of year.
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I hope you're right TAMU, I like our team this year.
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Our non-con has one team ranked worse than 300, St. Francis PA. Wisconsin, Georgia, both 2K classic teams and Vanderbilt are top 75. Fresno is about #125.
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Really thought this was a joke until I read the article
Is that because you realized the whole article is a joke?
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Or this gem re Dayton: "Archie Miller's team would've been top 25 had four-star recruit Kostas Antetokounmpo been ruled eligible this season."
Holy sh1t. They actually wrote that. Yikes
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Really thought this was a joke until I read the article
I completely thought this was a joke until you informed me that it wasn't.
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Perhaps the article is right - MU not signing Kostas was a huge mistake. Still makes zero sense to me.
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Perhaps the article is right - MU not signing Kostas was a huge mistake. Still makes zero sense to me.
No.
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Based on skill wise I feel we are better than Virginia Tech, OK State, Seton Hall and Baylor. We should be ranked a little higher I think.
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Perhaps the article is right - MU not signing Kostas was a huge mistake. Still makes zero sense to me.
Teal?
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Perhaps the article is right - MU not signing Kostas was a huge mistake. Still makes zero sense to me.
I understand, but the part that you haven't taken into consideration is that Marquette is limiting its signees to recruits who can actually play basketball.
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Perhaps the article is right - MU not signing Kostas was a huge mistake. Still makes zero sense to me.
Good call. MU was desperately in need of an academically ineligible project who had an intriguing last name.
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Good call. MU was desperately in need of an academically ineligible project who had an intriguing last name.
I understand, but the part that you haven't taken into consideration is that Marquette is limiting its signees to recruits who can actually play basketball.
Even if Kostas didn't play a single game for Marquette I would still support the decision to offer him. It would have been good for the city of Milwaukee. I'm actually shocked the Bucks weren't in Marquette's ear with the recent collusion and new athletic center, pushing our hand to offer him. It would provide a huge amount of stability for keeping Giannis on the Bucks long-term, even longer than his recent extension. The man is all about family. This is especially true considering Milwaukee is in the bottom 5 markets for NBA free agents. 50k a year for Kostas' scholarship is nothing compared to $25+ mil a year that Giannis can demand in a few years as he continues to develop and as the salary cap continues to grow. Dumb move by Marquette, even dumber move by Milwaukee.
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Even if Kostas didn't play a single game for Marquette I would still support the decision to offer him. It would have been good for the city of Milwaukee. I'm actually shocked the Bucks weren't in Marquette's ear with the recent collusion and new athletic center, pushing our hand to offer him. It would provide a huge amount of stability for keeping Giannis on the Bucks long-term, even longer than his recent extension. The man is all about family. This is especially true considering Milwaukee is in the bottom 5 markets for NBA free agents. 50k a year for Kostas' scholarship is nothing compared to $25+ mil a year that Giannis can demand in a few years as he continues to develop and as the salary cap continues to grow. Dumb move by Marquette, even dumber move by Milwaukee.
Wut
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Even if Kostas didn't play a single game for Marquette I would still support the decision to offer him. It would have been good for the city of Milwaukee. I'm actually shocked the Bucks weren't in Marquette's ear with the recent collusion and new athletic center, pushing our hand to offer him. It would provide a huge amount of stability for keeping Giannis on the Bucks long-term, even longer than his recent extension. The man is all about family. This is especially true considering Milwaukee is in the bottom 5 markets for NBA free agents. 50k a year for Kostas' scholarship is nothing compared to $25+ mil a year that Giannis can demand in a few years as he continues to develop and as the salary cap continues to grow. Dumb move by Marquette, even dumber move by Milwaukee.
You realize that the bucks success would actually hurt MU as we're competing against them for the entertainment dollar. There is no reason we should care whether Giannis is on the bucks or not. We're running a basketball team not a charity to keep the NBA team happy
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You realize that the bucks success would actually hurt MU as we're competing against them for the entertainment dollar. There is no reason we should care whether Giannis is on the bucks or not. We're running a basketball team not a charity to keep the NBA team happy
This has got to be the most foolish and self-righteous thing I have ever heard. You do realize that the only reason we're moving to a new arena is because of the Bucks right? Or that we are building a new athletics performance center because of our affiliation with the Bucks and the city of Milwaukee? Have all forgotten about the days when a recruiting pitch was playing in an NBA market where you can practice with NBA players and have exposure to scouts at the highest level? Having a successful NBA franchise increases state and city interest in basketball. Perhaps even more young athletes pick up the sport and the state becomes even more fertile for recruiting. I'd like to see the numbers of "undecided fans" who will spend their money based on who is winning. I would bet that number is much smaller than you think.
Bottom line is that the Bucks being good is good for Milwaukee, is good for Marquette.
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Even if Kostas didn't play a single game for Marquette I would still support the decision to offer him. It would have been good for the city of Milwaukee. I'm actually shocked the Bucks weren't in Marquette's ear with the recent collusion and new athletic center, pushing our hand to offer him. It would provide a huge amount of stability for keeping Giannis on the Bucks long-term, even longer than his recent extension. The man is all about family. This is especially true considering Milwaukee is in the bottom 5 markets for NBA free agents. 50k a year for Kostas' scholarship is nothing compared to $25+ mil a year that Giannis can demand in a few years as he continues to develop and as the salary cap continues to grow. Dumb move by Marquette, even dumber move by Milwaukee.
#Giannistodayton
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This has got to be the most foolish and self-righteous thing I have ever heard. You do realize that the only reason we're moving to a new arena is because of the Bucks right? Or that we are building a new athletics performance center because of our affiliation with the Bucks and the city of Milwaukee? Have all forgotten about the days when a recruiting pitch was playing in an NBA market where you can practice with NBA players and have exposure to scouts at the highest level? Having a successful NBA franchise increases state and city interest in basketball. Perhaps even more young athletes pick up the sport and the state becomes even more fertile for recruiting. I'd like to see the numbers of "undecided fans" who will spend their money based on who is winning. I would bet that number is much smaller than you think.
Bottom line is that the Bucks being good is good for Milwaukee, is good for Marquette.
Wrong the Bucks being in Milwaukee is good for Marquette. Marquette alone cannot fill the Bradley center let alone this new arena, the casual fan will decide based on who has a better product.
Your whole argument is based on this concept that we should do the Bucks a favor and take a guy who didn't even start on his team based on him being brothers with a star on the local NBA team. We're running a basketball program that is desperately trying to avoid having the worst stretch since our first ever post season bid and you've got your panties up in a bunch about us not giving a scholarship to a 'maybe could be good but can't even practice with the team right now' player just to keep the local NBA team happy. If we really cared that much about the NBA we'd have been full partners in the new arena but we shot them down on that because we have to draw a line at what we do to help that dumpster fire.
Given your arguments, I feel this clip is in order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA
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This has got to be the most foolish and self-righteous thing I have ever heard. You do realize that the only reason we're moving to a new arena is because of the Bucks right? Or that we are building a new athletics performance center because of our affiliation with the Bucks and the city of Milwaukee? Have all forgotten about the days when a recruiting pitch was playing in an NBA market where you can practice with NBA players and have exposure to scouts at the highest level? Having a successful NBA franchise increases state and city interest in basketball. Perhaps even more young athletes pick up the sport and the state becomes even more fertile for recruiting. I'd like to see the numbers of "undecided fans" who will spend their money based on who is winning. I would bet that number is much smaller than you think.
Bottom line is that the Bucks being good is good for Milwaukee, is good for Marquette.
I don't believe the Bucks and Marquette are partnering on that anymore. It appears the Bucks are building their own athletic research facility.
I'm excited for the stadium, but don't mistake the BC being obsolete for the NBA meaning it's a bad college venue. I would say we have one of the better venues for college, although being built for hockey is a drawback.
I would take the option of anyone we are still recruiting over Kostas. His potential is intriguing, but he is years away from producing. Plus, he's not eligible this year.
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Even if Kostas didn't play a single game for Marquette I would still support the decision to offer him. It would have been good for the city of Milwaukee. I'm actually shocked the Bucks weren't in Marquette's ear with the recent collusion and new athletic center, pushing our hand to offer him. It would provide a huge amount of stability for keeping Giannis on the Bucks long-term, even longer than his recent extension. The man is all about family. This is especially true considering Milwaukee is in the bottom 5 markets for NBA free agents. 50k a year for Kostas' scholarship is nothing compared to $25+ mil a year that Giannis can demand in a few years as he continues to develop and as the salary cap continues to grow. Dumb move by Marquette, even dumber move by Milwaukee.
Lol.
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This has got to be the most foolish and self-righteous thing I have ever heard. You do realize that the only reason we're moving to a new arena is because of the Bucks right? Or that we are building a new athletics performance center because of our affiliation with the Bucks and the city of Milwaukee? Have all forgotten about the days when a recruiting pitch was playing in an NBA market where you can practice with NBA players and have exposure to scouts at the highest level? Having a successful NBA franchise increases state and city interest in basketball. Perhaps even more young athletes pick up the sport and the state becomes even more fertile for recruiting. I'd like to see the numbers of "undecided fans" who will spend their money based on who is winning. I would bet that number is much smaller than you think.
Bottom line is that the Bucks being good is good for Milwaukee, is good for Marquette.
What a ridiculous take. Boxer is dead to rights correct on this. You don't offer a substandard player to keep another entity happy. The Bucks are a business partner. We don't need to waste a scholarship to placate them, and I doubt they care where Kostas plays anyway. If the kid was worth a Marquette offer, he'd have gotten one.
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You realize that the bucks success would actually hurt MU as we're competing against them for the entertainment dollar. There is no reason we should care whether Giannis is on the bucks or not. We're running a basketball team not a charity to keep the NBA team happy
While his argument is clearly idiotic, this is also not true.
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While his argument is clearly idiotic, this is also not true.
Prove me wrong
Edit: Actually scratch that post what you want but I don't have the energy today to get into a pissing match with you. It's like debating with a brick wall that needs the last word desperately.
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Prove me wrong
Lol. So the drop in MU ticket sales last year had to do with the Bucks having made the Playoffs and being expected to take a step forward and not with MU being a bad basketball team? What about the drop in ticket sales this year despite the Bucks being a bad basketball team last year?
People aren't choosing between whether to buy tickets to Bucks games or Marquette games. Milwaukee area UW alums aren't going to be buying MU season tickets if the Bucks stink because they want to be entertained by some basketball in the city.
But you sold me. Bucks bad = positive for Marquette.
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Lol. So the drop in MU ticket sales last year had to do with the Bucks having made the Playoffs and being expected to take a step forward and not with MU being a bad basketball team? What about the drop in ticket sales this year despite the Bucks being a bad basketball team last year?
People aren't choosing between whether to buy tickets to Bucks games or Marquette games. Milwaukee area UW alums aren't going to be buying MU season tickets if the Bucks stink because they want to be entertained by some basketball in the city.
But you sold me. Bucks bad = positive for Marquette.
See the edit in my above post
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See the edit in my above post
Okay. So "prove it" or it can't be true, but you don't have to "prove" anything, you can just make some random statement that obviously isn't true at all. That makes sense.
I don't think Cal Berkley or Stanford are losing viewers because the GSW are killing it.
Win basketball games and you will sell tickets, regardless of whether the other teams in your city are horrendous or historically great.
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You all have lost sight of the big picture. At least you have rescinded your argument that Bucks and MU compete for undecided entertainment dollars. It's not like Kostas is some scrub that we would give a sympathy scholarship to. The kid has great size and length, 4 star top 100, Milwaukee native, with unique family ties to powerful organizations in Milwaukee. Yes it's unclear how exactly he will develop or if he would be an academic superstar, but this was a risk worth taking for all of the previously mentioned reasons. Got to think of the big picture.
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You all have lost sight of the big picture. At least you have rescinded your argument that Bucks and MU compete for undecided entertainment dollars. It's not like Kostas is some scrub that we would give a sympathy scholarship to. The kid has great size and length, 4 star top 100, Milwaukee native, with unique family ties to powerful organizations in Milwaukee. Yes it's unclear how exactly he will develop or if he would be an academic superstar, but this was a risk worth taking for all of the previously mentioned reasons. Got to think of the big picture.
I haven't rescinded anything. Arguing with wades is almost as obnoxious as arguing with chicos was and I'm tired this morning. Perhaps later I'll come back to this and pick it up again.
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You all have lost sight of the big picture. At least you have rescinded your argument that Bucks and MU compete for undecided entertainment dollars. It's not like Kostas is some scrub that we would give a sympathy scholarship to. The kid has great size and length, 4 star top 100, Milwaukee native, with unique family ties to powerful organizations in Milwaukee. Yes it's unclear how exactly he will develop or if he would be an academic superstar, but this was a risk worth taking for all of the previously mentioned reasons. Got to think of the big picture.
You're right, Kostas is not just some scrub. He's an ineligible scrub.
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I don't believe the Bucks and Marquette are partnering on that anymore. It appears the Bucks are building their own athletic research facility.
I'm excited for the stadium, but don't mistake the BC being obsolete for the NBA meaning it's a bad college venue. I would say we have one of the better venues for college, although being built for hockey is a drawback.
I would take the option of anyone we are still recruiting over Kostas. His potential is intriguing, but he is years away from producing. Plus, he's not eligible this year.
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You all have lost sight of the big picture. At least you have rescinded your argument that Bucks and MU compete for undecided entertainment dollars. It's not like Kostas is some scrub that we would give a sympathy scholarship to. The kid has great size and length, 4 star top 100, Milwaukee native, with unique family ties to powerful organizations in Milwaukee. Yes it's unclear how exactly he will develop or if he would be an academic superstar, but this was a risk worth taking for all of the previously mentioned reasons. Got to think of the big picture.
You trolling us, hey?
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http://www.nba.com/bucks/release/bucks-froedtert-medical-college-wisconsin-partner-sports-science-center-and-community-health/
What are the odds this is UDPride thinking they one upped us on Kostas? I think he was only a 4 star on 247sports. It's not like he's a consensus top 100.
He may be a great player. I would bet that whoever fills our last scholarship contributes more than Kostas would. Eke is considered a bit of a project and is light years ahead of Kostas.
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You all have lost sight of the big picture. At least you have rescinded your argument that Bucks and MU compete for undecided entertainment dollars. It's not like Kostas is some scrub that we would give a sympathy scholarship to. The kid has great size and length, 4 star top 100, Milwaukee native, with unique family ties to powerful organizations in Milwaukee. Yes it's unclear how exactly he will develop or if he would be an academic superstar, but this was a risk worth taking for all of the previously mentioned reasons. Got to think of the big picture.
Big picture: in time, repeatedly puking on your keyboard will cause malfunction.
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Thanks, cheebs, I hadn't seen that.
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It's not like Kostas is some scrub that we would give a sympathy scholarship to.
Yeah, it kind of is. Take his family out of it and what has he actually accomplished as a basketball player?
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http://www.nba.com/bucks/release/bucks-froedtert-medical-college-wisconsin-partner-sports-science-center-and-community-health/
What are the odds this is UDPride thinking they one upped us on Kostas? I think he was only a 4 star on 247sports. It's not like he's a consensus top 100.
He may be a great player. I would bet that whoever fills our last scholarship contributes more than Kostas would. Eke is considered a bit of a project and is light years ahead of Kostas.
That's really unfortunate if it means we are no longer partnering with them on a sports science research center. It seems unlikely that they would need two such facilities, although I didn't see anything in the article stating that this would be instead of the partnership with MU. I would think that would be a significant development worth noting. If it did fall through it's very unfortunate, both for the research dollars it would attract to the school and the loss of the fieldhouse, which would have had really great effects on the soccer and lacrosse teams.
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That's really unfortunate if it means we are no longer partnering with them on a sports science research center. It seems unlikely that they would need two such facilities, although I didn't see anything in the article stating that this would be instead of the partnership with MU. I would think that would be a significant development worth noting. If it did fall through it's very unfortunate, both for the research dollars it would attract to the school and the loss of the fieldhouse, which would have had really great effects on the soccer and lacrosse teams.
I'm pretty sure the Marquette thing is going to happen, also it would be very different from what the other article is describing which is bucks practice facility, healthcare/ research. The Marquette one is performance research as in not really the healthcare side. Everything froedtert does it calls research. I could be wrong but I have heard nothing about the MU facility not being built.
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I'm pretty sure the Marquette thing is going to happen, also it would be very different from what the other article is describing which is bucks practice facility, healthcare/ research. The Marquette one is performance research as in not really the healthcare side. Everything froedtert does it calls research. I could be wrong but I have heard nothing about the MU facility not being built.
I think it's still planning to be built, but I don't think the Bucks will be involved. When they announced the Aurora naming rights, the Bucks weren't mentioned in the article.
I may be jumping to conclusions, but based on those two articles, it didn't seem like it was going to be the original plan.
Edit: I have to backtrack. According to this article, the Bucks will still be involved. However, that was before their announcement.
http://archive.jsonline.com/news/education/marquette-aurora-to-partner-on-120-million-athletic-research-center-b99655636z1-365962851.html
This more recent article didn't mention the Bucks.
https://news.marquette.edu/news-releases/marquette-selects-design-team-for-athletic-performance-research-center-project/
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